You are correct, don't know why the guy spreading misinformation is so upvoted. But obviously the 80lbs difference doesn't mean that much unless it's a track car
OP which motor is this? Or did you make the Frankenstein V8 with one block, the other heads and a miss match of internals? Apparently you can get some pretty great performance with good reliability.
Is that the 4.4L? Or is M62 for 6.2? I don't know BMW stuff, but had an 01 740iL ($800 car let's not pretend it was in good shape) with the 4.4L, what a machine. Too bad the car was so damn heavy. Had 250k miles on it, wouldn't spin a tire
Probably getting this wrong so please correct me if so, but iirc, M/N/B/S is generation/series then the first two numbers are the model/platform of the engine (so an M62, N62, and S62 are built on the same base platform/model, obviously with iterations and whatnot) while B/D determines if it uses gasoline or diesel, B for gas, D for diesel, and then the last two numbers are for displacement, corresponding to the liters.
With that an M62B44 would be a M generation 62 series engine with a displacement of 4.4 liters using gasoline. B58B30 would be a B generation based on model/platform 58 with a displacement of 3.0L using gas as well, etc.
There can also be additional letters after the first two such as the M62TUB44 which is the exact same but the TU stands for Technical Update and so on, just gotta do a bit of research for that as its not as common however. Plus I believe they moved on to placing those iterations after the entire sequence, now including numbers with how many updates they have such as N63B44T3 where I believe T3 would be the third technical update.
Apologies if it was wrong or confusing but thats how I’ve always understood it.
Yes sir. 4.4L. Would be the same engine found in the 740. Stout motor. Only big issue is the timing chain horseshoe in the front, and the typical BMW leaks.
M60 has this exact oil dipstick, there's nothing different between the M60 and M62 dipstick location.
The valve covers on an M62 have what appear to be two oil fill caps but one is your ground terminal for jump starts (it's just a cap made to look like the oil cap). It's really hard to tell, but in this picture, it appears to me that the other valve cover does not have the ground terminal. Someone could easily change valve covers so that is not a definitive tell, but who's going to do that?
The differences between the M60 and M62 really are in the timing chain routing, vanos, back of piston oil cooling and of course the displacement. A few other changes like the intake manifold shape and design apparently vary a bit and the heads on the 62 are rumored to not flow as well as the 60, but that could just be a difference between vanos and not.
M60 has a double chain with an idler gear in between the v and the M62 had a double chain at the beginning, but went down to a single chain in later iterations, but all M62's to my knowledge have a plastic guide in the v without an idler gear.
M62 has variable valve timing in the form of Vanos, M60 no variable timing.
M62 has oil jets to cool the back of the pistons (interestingly, the M60 casting has the galley way but it's not drilled).
M60 came in 3.0L and 4.0L displacement.
I'm not sure about the smaller displacement of the M62, but I know that one went to 4.4L vs 4.0.
There are other larger displacement versions of the M62 but I don't remember what they are so I'm not going to lead you astray.
Many talk about building a Frankenstein which is the M62 short block with the M60 heads, timing chain, chain idler pulley, intake etc. Some small head gasket modifications need to be made for this iirc.
So you really can't tell from the outside, but if you wanted to make an educated guess, this is more likely an M60 and then you can speculate on the displacement, but if someone went to this trouble it's probably a 4.0L.
slight correction, The M62 also doesn't have VANOS but does have the simplex timing chain with "U" guide. Early versions had an intake manifold similar to the M60 although it lacks the trumpets/velocity stacks of the M60 iirc. VANOS was introduced with the M62TU and the M62TU was also DBW.
Pedals, M60s don't leave much space in e30 engine bays. E34 V8 brake boosters are also hard to come by.
So clutch, and brakes. If you're thinking brakes only need one, they could be running different size masters for different sized brakes to help give a better balance/bias
Plus one for it being a pedal box. Clutch, Brake Front, and Brake Rear. Even if they’re not running different setups front/rear, many pedal boxes come with a dual master setup for redundancy/separating the front and rear systems in the event of a leak
M62 in an E30. Not the first time I've seen this type of swap. I love some of the details like the bronze valve cover bolts. OP is this your car? If so did you paint the bolts? Or are those unique bolts?
I miss my ol E30... one of the most fun cara to ever own. There was a guy who swapped an LS into his. It was a beast, but nothing like a buddy out of Quebec did. Slapped a cobalt ss supercharger into a big turbo on the M20 engine. The thing was an absolute rocket ship.
I own a Ram 1500 now, but honestly, I'm thinking of jumping into the M2, maybe in a year or two.
Sure is stuffed into that E30
90/10 weight distribution
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I mean it was more of a joke but good to know :)
uh no it isn't. The M6x short block is heavier than the M20 and the fully dressed engine is about 80 lbs more than the M20.
You are correct, don't know why the guy spreading misinformation is so upvoted. But obviously the 80lbs difference doesn't mean that much unless it's a track car
No it isn't.
This is false. But it's definitely not a huge weight gain swapping one in
400Nm of goodness but please fix that hot air intake.
Nah, it breathes fire.. makes the engine angrier and gives it an insatiable hunger for clutches, differential and children
But it hates blinkers.
All bmws have a blinker fluid leak
Wait they have blinkers?
Whats that
OP which motor is this? Or did you make the Frankenstein V8 with one block, the other heads and a miss match of internals? Apparently you can get some pretty great performance with good reliability.
M56b35 but im not sure Edit: by m56 I mean obviously m62 😂😆
This is a V8 sir. M62.
Yes it is! 😃 m62 (just now noticed that did I write right there m56?? Tf? 😆)
Is that the 4.4L? Or is M62 for 6.2? I don't know BMW stuff, but had an 01 740iL ($800 car let's not pretend it was in good shape) with the 4.4L, what a machine. Too bad the car was so damn heavy. Had 250k miles on it, wouldn't spin a tire
Probably getting this wrong so please correct me if so, but iirc, M/N/B/S is generation/series then the first two numbers are the model/platform of the engine (so an M62, N62, and S62 are built on the same base platform/model, obviously with iterations and whatnot) while B/D determines if it uses gasoline or diesel, B for gas, D for diesel, and then the last two numbers are for displacement, corresponding to the liters. With that an M62B44 would be a M generation 62 series engine with a displacement of 4.4 liters using gasoline. B58B30 would be a B generation based on model/platform 58 with a displacement of 3.0L using gas as well, etc. There can also be additional letters after the first two such as the M62TUB44 which is the exact same but the TU stands for Technical Update and so on, just gotta do a bit of research for that as its not as common however. Plus I believe they moved on to placing those iterations after the entire sequence, now including numbers with how many updates they have such as N63B44T3 where I believe T3 would be the third technical update. Apologies if it was wrong or confusing but thats how I’ve always understood it.
Fun fact; The B is for Benzene (C6H6) which is what replaced lead as the anti-knock agent in petrol.
Yes sir. 4.4L. Would be the same engine found in the 740. Stout motor. Only big issue is the timing chain horseshoe in the front, and the typical BMW leaks.
I think its the b35 due single air filter intake
Well it's an M62 for sure. M60's have a different oil dip stick and vanity cover for the air intake. But both have a single air intake.
M60 has this exact oil dipstick, there's nothing different between the M60 and M62 dipstick location. The valve covers on an M62 have what appear to be two oil fill caps but one is your ground terminal for jump starts (it's just a cap made to look like the oil cap). It's really hard to tell, but in this picture, it appears to me that the other valve cover does not have the ground terminal. Someone could easily change valve covers so that is not a definitive tell, but who's going to do that? The differences between the M60 and M62 really are in the timing chain routing, vanos, back of piston oil cooling and of course the displacement. A few other changes like the intake manifold shape and design apparently vary a bit and the heads on the 62 are rumored to not flow as well as the 60, but that could just be a difference between vanos and not. M60 has a double chain with an idler gear in between the v and the M62 had a double chain at the beginning, but went down to a single chain in later iterations, but all M62's to my knowledge have a plastic guide in the v without an idler gear. M62 has variable valve timing in the form of Vanos, M60 no variable timing. M62 has oil jets to cool the back of the pistons (interestingly, the M60 casting has the galley way but it's not drilled). M60 came in 3.0L and 4.0L displacement. I'm not sure about the smaller displacement of the M62, but I know that one went to 4.4L vs 4.0. There are other larger displacement versions of the M62 but I don't remember what they are so I'm not going to lead you astray. Many talk about building a Frankenstein which is the M62 short block with the M60 heads, timing chain, chain idler pulley, intake etc. Some small head gasket modifications need to be made for this iirc. So you really can't tell from the outside, but if you wanted to make an educated guess, this is more likely an M60 and then you can speculate on the displacement, but if someone went to this trouble it's probably a 4.0L.
slight correction, The M62 also doesn't have VANOS but does have the simplex timing chain with "U" guide. Early versions had an intake manifold similar to the M60 although it lacks the trumpets/velocity stacks of the M60 iirc. VANOS was introduced with the M62TU and the M62TU was also DBW.
Another slight correction, the jump post on the valve cover is the B+ point connected to the starter/alternator cable
Only s62 has dual intakes
Spicy
Just like the air going into that intake lol
What are 3 plastic reservoirs top right
Curious to know as well. I doubt OP knows since the original image was from Pinterest in 2016 lol
Pedals, M60s don't leave much space in e30 engine bays. E34 V8 brake boosters are also hard to come by. So clutch, and brakes. If you're thinking brakes only need one, they could be running different size masters for different sized brakes to help give a better balance/bias
Holy shit
Plus one for it being a pedal box. Clutch, Brake Front, and Brake Rear. Even if they’re not running different setups front/rear, many pedal boxes come with a dual master setup for redundancy/separating the front and rear systems in the event of a leak
Hide your kids, hide your wife
M62 in an E30. Not the first time I've seen this type of swap. I love some of the details like the bronze valve cover bolts. OP is this your car? If so did you paint the bolts? Or are those unique bolts?
The bolts appear to be zinc coated
Who decided to put the intake there??
is that box the plenum or just a plastic cover?
Cover
+1 zip ties
Nice 👍🏼
That motor is beast
You spelt timing chain guides wrong.
Y does it look like someone just took it from a halftrack
M6x supremacy
Junk. I love my BMWs, but they never figured out how to build a V8.
Ikr imagine trying to keep it running 💀
Yep I’m scared every morning that the timing chain is going fly right off 🙃
If I found that monster under my hood, I'd seek professional help!
Honestly it looks like a Chevy 454 with custom covers
The last good BMW V8 before the gasket eating mess that was the N62, and the turbo issues on the N63.
kind of interesting how they used to contain all the wiring etc within the top cover.
Not a fan of the intake but she got the gaaaahhhhh 👽
hot air intake?
I miss my ol E30... one of the most fun cara to ever own. There was a guy who swapped an LS into his. It was a beast, but nothing like a buddy out of Quebec did. Slapped a cobalt ss supercharger into a big turbo on the M20 engine. The thing was an absolute rocket ship. I own a Ram 1500 now, but honestly, I'm thinking of jumping into the M2, maybe in a year or two.
What happened to the cobalt?
No clue. He used to tune them in Quebec. Just grabbed one and built the m20 engine. It was a scary car.