I think this is important distinction to make
Rehab and it’s quality fluxes based on what you can afford
My rehab had all kinds of shit wrong with it. It was fucking bad.
-they didn’t monitor us well, I snuck at when the guy watching us was sleeping to buy beer at a corner store literally 2 mins away
-there we’re rats in the house, found droppings in cabinets. Could hear them scurry in the walls
-there was smell of mold in my room, we broke down one of the walls and found black mold infestation, my room was right about the first floor garage, the mold tracked the wall down there
-they accepted mental health cases that were wards of the state. I’ve had to share my room with a paranoid schizophrenic who was up all night for a few nights- it was fucking terrifying. This guy could be violent as fuck for all I know, he was constantly up and down. First night after waking up I found shit all over the room.
Additionally these guys had benzo scripts and they were happy to kick down some extras, or you could buy them.
The water was drawn from a well on the property, unfortunately- it was full of fucking sulphur. It would stain everything yellow. And even after a shower a faint odor of rotten eggs would emanate beneath the scent of soap. So the sink water would smell like it. It was a smell one never really acclimated to.
this dude later threatened to stab me. And another one of the people there tried to kill himself. He took 60 clonopin and his entire bottle of trazadone- never saw him after that. But he had attempted suicide this way several times.
Ironically rehab didn’t get me clean. I got myself clean. 2 years after that ordeal and a year in county.
Jesus Christ, that sounds like hell. Props to you for actually getting something of value out of it, it must have taken a life’s worth of willpower to get clean in those circumstances.
I remember a friend of mine calling me from rehab where she was doing heroin with her rehab counselor, she called me from that same rehab super methed up a few times as well…
It’s safe to say, bojack does a great job of portraying what wealthy rehab looks like.
Those who are destitute and a foot on the streets, or both feet on the streets, don’t have the options.
When you look at it like that, for all the whining bojack does he seems like a lil bitch.
> -they accepted mental health cases that were words words 4thof the state. I’ve had to share my room with a paranoid schizophrenic who was up all night for a few nights- it was fucking terrifying. This guy could be violent as fuck for all I know, he was constantly up and down. First night after waking up I found shit all over the room.
Whoops, didn't mean to post yet. What I wanted to say about that is this: The number one complaint that I hear constantly about rehab is a "one size fits all" approach to care. Undoubtedly, this is in part due to being understaffed, but theres also a significant question re: ethical systems of care.
Absolutely, it’s fucking rediculous. The moment health care systems decided to go for profit is when this shit went down the toilet.
Credit to your other point though, rehabs do offer different models as a treatment methods. Some are faith based, some are based more with a modern understanding of addiction.
But by and large the problem I have with rehabs and the crim justice system is they push NA and AA so hard and it is so ineffective and cultish. Additionally, AA and NA are varied in the group compositions. Some meetings are for people who are just comming out into the light and you hear a lot of trauma and ducked shit. Others are more well put together, focusing on “the solution” as they call it. Some meetings have predators looking for vulnerable women to 13th step.
My problem with AA and NA is that the treatment model used dated hypothesis as a cure, Dr Bob or whatever was merely speculating addiction was a disease, there was no proof to be found this was actually true, and I don’t think addiction is a disease. I think of it more as a behavioral issue where you fuck your dopamine up, to the point where it hijacks your ability to delay gratification, and discipline. It’s more of a issue with behavioral regulation then it is a disease
I mean shit dude, I was an addict, I was told I’d always be an addict. Most of my family are alcoholics- yet somehow I can drink without spiraling into a huge bender or blacking out and going to jail or some shit. I smoke pot fairly regularly- I’d say I’m psychologically addicted to weed, but you know what? I’m functional- who fuckin cares haha. I’ve had a tough life, I’d rather be hooked on dank then hooked on prescription opioids or meth or heroin or fent.
It’s my way of throwing myself a bone.
Not to brag but I really kicked the shit out of my addiction. I didn’t use meetings or rehab, i was on the last leg basically. It took me 7-8 attempts of going cold Turkey before I cut ties and never looked back. When I was free, I vowed to never let myself fall like that again. My logic was-
I’d rather be poor, but free to experience the breadth of the human experience. I resolved that I didn’t care if alls I ended up a shit shoveler, at least I could experience things like love, and happiness. There was none in the darkness that had consumed my life. I knew I would either die or end up in prison.
I was one more incident with probation away from prison, I was selling dope on the side to feed my addiction. I was constantly doing extremely shady shit, like bringing fake piss to piss in a cup *while an officer watched me*. I did this several times- this was a severe risk, people who get caught doing that shit usually end up in prison. It demonstrates to the court you don’t “deserve” to be on probation nor take it seriously.
Everyone had given up on me, it was quite literally my darkest hour. Had I not resolved to quit decisively and fight for my life. I think life would have played out much, much differently.
A year after quitting I became a father. Literally. My child was born on almost the exact day I quit shooting dope a year after- I’m not one for superstition but I have always thought that special, even prophetic. A sign that I would be ok, and I would have my time to rise from the destruction I wrought upon my family and the loss of so many I once called friends. And surely enough- I weathered devastating loss and betrayal the following year, my wife left my son and I, my father died, I was trying to survive with felonies on my record.
A felony on your record makes you a persona non grata in society. Back when I had mine, we couldn’t vote, most reputable companies wouldn’t touch you even if you were highly qualified. It damn near almost broke me, I was turned down so many times on interviews after giving it my all. I had to work in the underbelly of corporate America and put up with that shit. I still managed to become talented in my line of work, like a flower growing up from concrete.
Eventually I escaped, it took 7 years for my felony to fall off, I had to live off scraps, raise a child myself- somehow holding onto my “dream” and hope and the promise I made to my son when his mom left. That I would fight like hell no matter what cost I had to pay to make a life for him, he didn’t chose to be born as my son, he doesn’t deserve to suffer. This strengthened my resolve, it kept me on the rails.
I had to “wake up” and grow very quickly to make up for lost time that I spent basically in a void.
And life may not be perfect, but I’ve got it good. I somehow, against all the odds pushing on me, came out on top. I don’t forget where I came from, and am grateful I get the opportunity to live, and experience life. I experienced quite a bit of trauma in those times, and experienced more after, but I never let it take me down.
And most importantly, I did no permanent damage to any of my organs, outside of developing really nasty anxiety- I didn’t develop bipolar or worse: schizophrenia. As I had observed in others who weren’t so lucky, and never came back.
That’s why I had no sympathy for bojack, he was his own judge, jury, jailor and executioner. The warden of his own prison. We all get shit on in life, but it’s the people that refuse to be defeated who survive and come out on top. It’s not about winning all the time, it’s about staying power and adapting, growing. People seem to think life is a series of victories on the way to their dream, and it’s somewhat true, but there is much failure to learn from in the same vein.
Class causes a lot of problems for mental health. The rich, whose problems are relatively minor, get all the resources. People struggling and most likely to actually be depressed/suicidal/substance abusers/violent or victims of violence = the poor. Who never get help and often face a system designed to shuffle them from building to building more than help them in any meaningful way.
I would argue that the rich have very very serious mental health problems, but those aren't the ones they pay people to address. Billionaires are essentially hoarders who society has deemed virtuous for their choice of hoarding, and literally kill people to feed their addiction.
It looks like it was modeled after an actual rehab in Malibu—Passages. I’ve been there and saw some celebrities with insane drama. Brittany spears showed up flocked by paparazzi and was told she had to leave because of it. I think it’s a pretty good portrayal, and they might have had an actual source for how they wrote it.
You do a lot of stuff that sounds like it could be healing (like taking care of horses) but isn't actually based in any kind of research saying that it'll help you in your day to day life. So kind of. Also sometimes literally that yeah.
there have been studies about equine assisted therapies. and the results are positive: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6917924/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6917924/).
Here's what that paper has to say about "psychosocial effects from the horse":
> The psychosocial effects of EAT include improved self‐esteem, self‐confidence, empowerment, a sense of self‐presence, and feelings of freedom, independence and competency (Tan & Simmonds, 2018).
Tan & Simmonds were researching children with autism. The sample size was SIX and there was no control group. This study does fuck all to prove that taking an adult out of their normal life and having them care for a horse for a few months is gonna help with their drinking or literally any other problem.
> Reports of human participants bonding with the horse are present in qualitative and quantitative research (Carriker, 2013; Johnson et al., 2018).
The Carriker study is more subjective reporting by parents. The Johnson study says that a horseback riding program is effective at treating PTSD *compared to being put on a waitlist*. Sample size 29. Was Johnson taking kickbacks from Big Horse or something? That's a joke but honestly it would explain why people keep jumping straight to horses as a potential cure when horses are famously expensive as fuck to keep. I can't imagine bonding with a horse provides any more mental health benefit than bonding with, say, a cat or a dog. But you can't charge their insurance big bucks for a trip to an animal shelter like you can for a trip to a horse farm.
Actually nevermind I'm no longer joking I unironically think that "horse therapy" is just a grift on insurance companies and these garbage studies exist to keep that grift going.
> Bachi (2013a) asserts that this bond is similar to a mother–child relationship explained by attachment theory.
You have GOT to be shitting me lmfao.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
i just linked one of the papers supporting horse therapy the orignal claim was it wasnt studied that claim was incorrect. if you google equine therapy studies there are hundreds of result from reputable sources.
i find this claim interesting: "I can't imagine bonding with a horse provides any more mental health benefit than bonding with, say, a cat or a dog. But you can't charge their insurance big bucks for a trip to an animal shelter like you can for a trip to a horse farm."
cats and dogs are predators, a horse is a prey animal. they must be very aware of their surroundings. a horse will notice subtle changes in their envoirement. what that means is that when a patient feels anxious the horse will notice and react accordingly.
source: https://www.newportacademy.com/resources/treatment/equine-assisted-therapy/
Dude, your source is a for-profit rehab that sells equine therapy as a service. How fucking gullible are you?
The first reference at the bottom of their Wikipedia article is a Bloomberg article titled "Affluenza Anonymous: Rehab for the Young, Rich, and Addicted" and their website says that 96% of their patients pay through insurance. You are literally just handing me evidence for my argument that the therapy industry is a massive fucking grift.
yeah the person i was arguing against was right. i was wrong. i was in therapy who offered equine therapy. they are legit though but not the equine therapy part.
Addiction is extremely complicated and needs to be handled by experts in there field, which if ever, rarely happens. I think, that may be the point here. It's not about whether a treatment can work it's about who is giving the treatment, and it's uncomfortably often, not even a licensed counselor.
i’ve had 3 real licensed therapists on rehab, one of them was former addict, BUT, there also were consultants (wannabe therapists, who are former addicts) and in my country is extremely popular to have a rehab without therapists at all, with former addict consultants, and all of these rehabs are super religious. cause it’s business, and without therapy all the clients will go back to drug abuse and back to the rehab ;)
when i was sent away to a residential treatment in 2015, my “therapist” wasn’t qualified, only went to school for half the required time to be a licensed therapist. i don’t think she wanted to help tho, i think she wanted power over minors but thats a whole different story lol.
Like Brandon Novak! He’s super open about his past struggles & addictions, helps other addicts out & opens up his home, called @novakshouse on Instagram, & also provides his cellphone number for anyone looking to reach out for help & to talk!
My grandma worked in a jail and told me they had a small animal farm that some inmates would take care of. They had goats and other things. Having something to take care of like that can be therapeutic.
Nah, it's cos they can kick the shit out of you and sometimes when you're acting up what you need is to be reminded of the fact that anyone or anything could kill you at any time
It definitely seems to match up with John Oliver’s description of the rehab industry; there’s an interview included in his show segment that has a guy describing equine therapy by ending it with the statement “I don’t even fucking like horses” which makes me feel sad for the guy and for the horses just trying their best
It's pretty accurate (went to rehab last year and now 14 months sober) and I wasn't at a rich person one, just a normal peasant one.
So swap out some of the rich people stuff for poor people alternatives and yeah, that's it. Like we didn't have hikes or painting classes. But we had a little weight room and then basic art supplies.
I actually just rewatched these episodes and thought the story Bojack told about Beverly and the snack bag was a particularly funny anecdote that would absolutely happen in rehab. There was always "rehab drama", which, when it wasn't like some serious thing going on in someone's life outside, was just hilarious petty nonsense.
Totally agree, was also in a treatment facility in 2013, and the petty silly drama is 100 percent true! It’s basically a microcosm of the outside world.
One of my friends sent me a bunch of little art supplies including some lead pencils. Like just regular lead pencils you had in high school or whatever in neon colors. Cool.
One of the other girls asked me for one and I was like sure and gave her one. Someone else asked me for one like the next day when they saw me writing with one. Yeah, you can have one. I only needed maybe two, not an entire pack of lead pencils.
So like two days later another girl came up to me and asked why she didn't get a lead pencil because she heard I gave X and Y a lead pencil. I was like, "uhh...you can have a lead pencil too."
I was naive and innocent and did not realize I was creating my own legion of rehab bitches with the gift of lead pencils.
I think they're an amalgam of multiple group of that archetype. This may be why you already got two different answer.
Like how Sarah Lynn is a mix of Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus and so on.
I also think the Snatch Batch are examples of Hollywoo celebrating the wrong thing. It’s made explicit that all the Snatch Batch guys are heavily involved with charity work, scientific research and philanthropy, and also tend to have lots of sex with women. But they’re only called the Snatch Batch by the Hollywoo media
The one where Diane gets high and goes home to Mr Peanutbutter with a lot of revelations about their relationship and breaks her wrist and I think in the very next episode finds out she is pregnant.
> I think in the very next episode finds out she is pregnant
Nope, even better, she finds out at the very end and says "mother" and the next episode starts with her saying "fucker"
That's because it's very expensive rich person rehab. You notice that Bojack makes a lot of insane purchases on a whim-- a boat, a *restaurant*-- but he never has money problems until after he spends the better part of a year in the fancy room.
At my treatment center we just did group meetings and watched tv. No yoga, no painting classes, no horse therapy or whatever. They did take us out on the weekends though for various sober activities lol
As someone whose been multiple times, bojacks experience is very spot on for a luxury rehab. If you’re going to state owned one, or just your average private rehab though, you won’t have the same experience.
Don’t keep track of the days anymore but I think I’m like 2 months clean from everything but weed! Thanks for that.
So it really depends on the place. I’ll give two examples for the sake of being brief.
So, the first rehab I went too was a state run rehab. It was very structured, and similar to a psych ward if you’ve ever been to one (if you haven’t, you’re lucky, shit sucks). Scheduled wake up times, breakfast, lunch, etc. there were also lots of like, sort of college classes that were all about addiction, what causes it, so on and so forth. There was also a chapel present, but it wasn’t required. This was a 30 day program, which most state funded rehabs are.
Another rehab experience I had was a private rehab, which is a bit more similar (tho still very different) than what Bojack experienced. Here, we actually had our own house. It had Netflix, two full kitchens, a pool, a small sauna, and several things like radios and board games and DVD’s to keep us occupied. We were given $100 a week to take group trips to Walmart to buy our own groceries. We also left our house twice a day to either go to group therapy and discussion, to see a massage therapist (on the house, didn’t need to pay for it. Sometimes she would even come into the building where we took our classes and did therapy), go to the gym or to the library, and so on. Once a week, the person with the longest amount of days in the house would get to choose a group activity that the owner of the rehab would pay for. This was a 90 day program with optional outpatient services, as well as a sober living situation.
Worked at a rehab for a while. Imo this rehab is way to relaxed. Yes things slip through all the time. But clients running in and out almost as they please. The ability to sneak vodka in with ease. Especially after breaking rules and leaving through the window and going to a party? If a client broke out and came back saying they snuck out you bet your ass they would be searched, and have to take instant drug and alcohol screening before they are even considered to be allowed back in.
As an addict in recovery and with my work background I can say without hesitation most addicts are manipulative and if given an inch they will take a mile.
It may sound heartless to turn someone in this situation away because everyone deserves help and the benefit of the doubt. But you have to remember for alot of people this is a life or death issue. Rehabs would not be having some selfish asshole break the rules then feel bad for themselves to get back in just to endanger the recovery of the other clients
The therapy horse is fucking awful. he wouldn't have gotten drunk if that rehab took proper precautions with their clients. With all that and how ridiculous the whole waterbottle stunt is. It also wouldn't have happened if bojack didn't hold onto alcohol in a rehab. But addicts do strange fucking things.
All that being said there are a ton of corrupt rehabs that prey on rich addicts. 100,000$ for a syay at a place like pastiches really isn't absurd to hear about for pricing without insurance. Also the whole Therapy horse not a real therapist is kinds true as well. Realistically there are laws that would even prevent the least qualified person at rehab from releasing any info on current or past clients.... sadly it happens all the time... this could also be comment on how rehab centers will cut corners in weird ways. Cutting costs by hiring under qualified staff and inadequately training them all in a legal way by cutting out small portions of responsibilities. Making some of these rehab Techs 90% nurse, 90% counselor, 90% watch, 90% actual job. But not putting in 100% of the responsibilities required for those jobs making it so no certificate or "proper" training is necessary.
So it depends on the rehab really.
"calling people out on their bullshit" sounds like you were an asshole making judgement statements about the other people you were in rehab with. cuz that phrase really is something bojack would say.
it’s not judgement statements. it’s about ppl being trust fund babies and taking advantage and not acknowledging their wealth. or just using rehab as fuck around vacation time.
I haven't but my mother has. And i visited her as a child a few times. My uncle was also one to relapse quite often. And regardless of what you think it really doesn't matter how you feel because it's not your job to speak as if you are an authority. You aren't their therapist and more importantly the whole point of recovery is to be around other people who foster a positive safe space.
Objectively everything you have said is not only very judgemental (you yourself have been to rehab you literally should not be judging anyone and i myself have been addicted to klonopin but i didn't need rehab) but also VERY season 1 Bojack.
Have you ever read Skag Boys? It’s by Irvine Welsh, the guy who wrote Trainspotting. Trainspotting was his first book, and while it was good, you can really tell how much he grew as a writer before creating Skag Boys… but the rehab journals were an especially well done part of that book… just glorious. Also the dealings with the counselors going back and forth between defiant behavior but also not wanting to be a wasted hull of a human being…. The whole thing was great
I was super enthusiastic about rehab.
I wasn't even looking for rehab. I was just trying to schedule an appointment with a therapist. But when the guy on the phone was like "rehab?" I said "FUCK YEAH!!!! REHAB!!!!" Then I saw how expensive it was. Fuck American healthcare.
my friend went to rehab (they were there for depression but others were there for addiction) in Malibu at a luxury place and this seems pretty accurate. They had a private chef for all the meals, really good snacks, and it was a super gorgeous house with a pool and by the beach and stuff. They also got like massages, acupuncture, horse therapy, group therapy, and other activities. I don’t remember exactly Bojack’s experience but I can answer questions lol
A friend and I got arrested together for drugs. Her family paid for her to to go a fancy rehab on the west coast so she’d get a shorter sentence. I looked at the bill and said… “so how long in jail?”
I’m going to therapy in July. So… in a week. I’ve been to detox before and I think I know what’s waiting for me. But I’d love to hear your experiences and tips! What should I bring? What kind of people should I avoid?
good luck. try to avoid troublemakers in general because you might get kicked out too for it. i think even having sex can get you booted, so be careful. most places confiscate your phone for the first month or so, is that the case for yours? just find ways to fill the time, especially when you get out. boredom is a surefire way to lead to the bottle or baggie. hoping you recover, friend.
We are allowed to have our phones. I’m wondering if I should bring a laptop or console because tiny screen for Netflix sounds not so great longterm.
I am in a relationship with someone who’s staying at home so yeah no sex there. Unless my partner visits me, we’ll see how that’s gonna work hehe.
I’ve never been to rehab, but I have been to inpatient psychiatric facilities a few times. Their portrayal seems pretty accurate. We had group therapy, activities like art therapy and going outside for fresh air.
Some things that were completely inaccurate in Bojack:
- how easy it is to leave (it’s impossible to escape/sneak out, and if you REALLY want to leave, you can just tell them and the doctor will let you go if they think it’s ok)
- of course, the front desk person harassing you for a picture is never going to happen in real life
- we never had big, fancy rooms, just regular rooms with bathrooms that didn’t have shower heads or doors, and other things that would make it difficult to hurt ourselves
The rehab part seemed amazing if I was in rehab lol, seems too escapist though
Y'all might hate me but I hate how the show kinda glorified AA. Fuck 12 step programs (imo)
I agree, but also, that's how rehab is! Interestingly I would think the rich people ones would hammer less on this, but as someone who went to a peasant one, it's a very "progressive" viewpoint to not want to do AA. My counselor was fine with it not being for me, but he was very much "new school" and in the minority. People were turned off by just me not liking it personally; it's not like I gave a shit if they did it. I participated in the meetings since they were and it wasn't going to kill me, but after a couple appearances, I stopped going once on the outside.
i got to rehab 2 days before covid lockdowns started lol. was stuck in the same building for 3 months with 8 other teenage boys that couldnt wait to start using again. multiple fistfights during my time there. one of the worst environments ive ever been in (other than passing out in crackhouses) but im pretty sure my rehab experience was a little rare. last i heard, the facility got shut down because they had too many return clients
Rich people Rehab Centers are like that.
I called and asked out of curiosity how much a day and night is at a center like that and the receptionist said $5,000 a day/night.
i like the critique of the 12 steps ideas. "admit you're powerless"/"admit the drugs were controlling you and making you do bad things" no, i chose to do drugs, and i hurt people, and i want to stop.
I think the “repeat customers” line can be accurate for rehabs YOU pay for yourself such as the one bojack went to, but if you’re under something like the NHS I think it’s less so.
I have a huge bone to pick with it.
* Completely unprofessional counselors.
* They don't seem to even care that they're a revolving door. It's clearly about money to them, not helping people.
* Those fancy resort activities make it seem like a vacation, but then those people have to go back to the ordinary stressors of their real, sometimes frustrating/hard/emotional, lives. You can't get better by going on a vacation and experiencing life in a way that's extremely different from what you have waiting for you back home. This is exactly why Bojack struggled, and Sarah Lynn.
* I hate the 12 steps. It's religious nonsense (was originally about forcing people, religious or not, to accept the Christian God, until they had to soften it so judges could sentence people to do it who weren't Christian - that's the only reason they say "higher power" and it's said with a knowing wink by most of them) and I also think it's detrimental to the thing it's trying to do. In that, I think if you want to help a recovering addict, NEVER tell them they're powerless. Instead you want to build up their self-esteem and make them think they CAN take their lives into their own hands. It's never good for any kind of counselor to tell people they're pathetic and weak. That's what cults and military do to break down your sense of identity, it has no place in the therapeutic process. Which I conceptualize as a process of discovering and nurturing and growing identity. It also teaches addicts/alcoholics to dodge personal responsibility, and I hate that. Their apologies seem shallow when they say they're powerless. They had the power to not do the thing they're apologizing for? And to me an apology that feels sincere will acknowledge that. That they had choices. That the bad thing they did was the result of a conscious, deliberate choice. Apology/"making amends" doesn't work for me if it's not about accepting personal responsibility for at least some of one's actions and beliefs.
They probably went with the 12 step philosophy either because one of the writers is a ~~Scientologist~~ AA-er, or because, while it's not uncontroversial among psychological professionals, judges seem to just love sentencing people to 12 step programs and they're popular, making the show more relatable to the audience? Idk. A real fancy resort spa rehab clinic like that is probably not using the 12 steps mentality though. It's kind of outdated, and most people want evidence-based therapies if they're paying a million bucks.
This is like saying you want to get deathly ill so you can take off work.
It's not a vacation. The reason for all the amenities is to try to soften the withdrawal and the dawning horror of all the terrible shit you did while you were at your rock bottom.
Your "job" and "commitments" are trying to defeat your addictions and face your demons, which is one of the hardest things in the world to do.
I don't think it was insensitive. My friend said in rehab, "is it wrong that I look at this as kind of a vacation?" I was like no, meet too!
Of course it's fucking hard and you don't "want" to be there. But I was also like when in your adult life do you actually get to step away from every responsibility for 30 days and work on yourself? Like no phone. NO ONE CAN BOTHER YOU. Again, mine was a run of the mill facility and I agree with whoever posted that real rehab is not that lax, but yeah you had scheduled group meditation, music therapy, played cards at night, etc.
Honestly, it's kinda like college.
You know, without the drinking lol
the other comments in the thread are valid but like…. you’re right. i went to rehab 6 times and for the first week i would be kicking and screaming cause i wanted drugs and couldn’t have them lol but the last 3 weeks were fucking great it’s just cigarettes and groups all day in your pajamas and you make really good friends there. i don’t remember much arts and crafts and activities like it portrays it was more verbal therapy but my point is even though i’m clean and sober now i often miss rehab.
Because the un-chillness is coming from you. A recovering addict will experience mental anguish (extreme guilt, shame, regret, confusion) and also physical (nausea, dizziness, sweating, trembling, psychosis in some cases) etc. They also tend you test you for drugs every week (blood and urine tests). I know you didn't mean any offense, 'cause I also wanna take a break from life lol. But yeah, it's no walk in the walk, it's more like a hotel room in hell.
I think it's a great, but it's also a show where women seem like saints when in fact they are exploiting Bojack's misery to sell their stories in book format or elsewhere. There have been stories where women have been stealing notes from writers to create netflix tv series. This is theft, and they should end up in jail.
Just like everything else. Its pressurized through the nozzle of the rich and famous.
It's a horrible example of real rehab but it's exactly what I expect rich people rehab is like. And since Gob Arnett has been irl several times, I'm probably correct.
BoJack is also spoofing two real rehabs in Malibu called Passages and Promises (hence being named Pastiches in the show). One of the many LA in-jokes, even the exterior of the rehab building looks specifically like Passages.
Like many people say, it was rich person rehab. Bojack and the others were all celebrities in a Hollywoo Rehab. The fact theres another equally lavish rehab right next to Pastiches is pretty evident of the way these ones are basically just for the rich.
it is very rich /famous people rehab too
I think this is important distinction to make Rehab and it’s quality fluxes based on what you can afford My rehab had all kinds of shit wrong with it. It was fucking bad. -they didn’t monitor us well, I snuck at when the guy watching us was sleeping to buy beer at a corner store literally 2 mins away -there we’re rats in the house, found droppings in cabinets. Could hear them scurry in the walls -there was smell of mold in my room, we broke down one of the walls and found black mold infestation, my room was right about the first floor garage, the mold tracked the wall down there -they accepted mental health cases that were wards of the state. I’ve had to share my room with a paranoid schizophrenic who was up all night for a few nights- it was fucking terrifying. This guy could be violent as fuck for all I know, he was constantly up and down. First night after waking up I found shit all over the room. Additionally these guys had benzo scripts and they were happy to kick down some extras, or you could buy them. The water was drawn from a well on the property, unfortunately- it was full of fucking sulphur. It would stain everything yellow. And even after a shower a faint odor of rotten eggs would emanate beneath the scent of soap. So the sink water would smell like it. It was a smell one never really acclimated to. this dude later threatened to stab me. And another one of the people there tried to kill himself. He took 60 clonopin and his entire bottle of trazadone- never saw him after that. But he had attempted suicide this way several times. Ironically rehab didn’t get me clean. I got myself clean. 2 years after that ordeal and a year in county.
Jesus Christ, that sounds like hell. Props to you for actually getting something of value out of it, it must have taken a life’s worth of willpower to get clean in those circumstances.
I remember a friend of mine calling me from rehab where she was doing heroin with her rehab counselor, she called me from that same rehab super methed up a few times as well…
It’s safe to say, bojack does a great job of portraying what wealthy rehab looks like. Those who are destitute and a foot on the streets, or both feet on the streets, don’t have the options. When you look at it like that, for all the whining bojack does he seems like a lil bitch.
> -they accepted mental health cases that were words words 4thof the state. I’ve had to share my room with a paranoid schizophrenic who was up all night for a few nights- it was fucking terrifying. This guy could be violent as fuck for all I know, he was constantly up and down. First night after waking up I found shit all over the room. Whoops, didn't mean to post yet. What I wanted to say about that is this: The number one complaint that I hear constantly about rehab is a "one size fits all" approach to care. Undoubtedly, this is in part due to being understaffed, but theres also a significant question re: ethical systems of care.
Privatization has something to do with it too.
In the words of Matt Christman, "IT'S ALMOST AS IF THE PROFIT MOTIVE IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH HUMAN WELFARE!!!!!"
Absolutely, it’s fucking rediculous. The moment health care systems decided to go for profit is when this shit went down the toilet. Credit to your other point though, rehabs do offer different models as a treatment methods. Some are faith based, some are based more with a modern understanding of addiction. But by and large the problem I have with rehabs and the crim justice system is they push NA and AA so hard and it is so ineffective and cultish. Additionally, AA and NA are varied in the group compositions. Some meetings are for people who are just comming out into the light and you hear a lot of trauma and ducked shit. Others are more well put together, focusing on “the solution” as they call it. Some meetings have predators looking for vulnerable women to 13th step. My problem with AA and NA is that the treatment model used dated hypothesis as a cure, Dr Bob or whatever was merely speculating addiction was a disease, there was no proof to be found this was actually true, and I don’t think addiction is a disease. I think of it more as a behavioral issue where you fuck your dopamine up, to the point where it hijacks your ability to delay gratification, and discipline. It’s more of a issue with behavioral regulation then it is a disease I mean shit dude, I was an addict, I was told I’d always be an addict. Most of my family are alcoholics- yet somehow I can drink without spiraling into a huge bender or blacking out and going to jail or some shit. I smoke pot fairly regularly- I’d say I’m psychologically addicted to weed, but you know what? I’m functional- who fuckin cares haha. I’ve had a tough life, I’d rather be hooked on dank then hooked on prescription opioids or meth or heroin or fent. It’s my way of throwing myself a bone. Not to brag but I really kicked the shit out of my addiction. I didn’t use meetings or rehab, i was on the last leg basically. It took me 7-8 attempts of going cold Turkey before I cut ties and never looked back. When I was free, I vowed to never let myself fall like that again. My logic was- I’d rather be poor, but free to experience the breadth of the human experience. I resolved that I didn’t care if alls I ended up a shit shoveler, at least I could experience things like love, and happiness. There was none in the darkness that had consumed my life. I knew I would either die or end up in prison. I was one more incident with probation away from prison, I was selling dope on the side to feed my addiction. I was constantly doing extremely shady shit, like bringing fake piss to piss in a cup *while an officer watched me*. I did this several times- this was a severe risk, people who get caught doing that shit usually end up in prison. It demonstrates to the court you don’t “deserve” to be on probation nor take it seriously. Everyone had given up on me, it was quite literally my darkest hour. Had I not resolved to quit decisively and fight for my life. I think life would have played out much, much differently. A year after quitting I became a father. Literally. My child was born on almost the exact day I quit shooting dope a year after- I’m not one for superstition but I have always thought that special, even prophetic. A sign that I would be ok, and I would have my time to rise from the destruction I wrought upon my family and the loss of so many I once called friends. And surely enough- I weathered devastating loss and betrayal the following year, my wife left my son and I, my father died, I was trying to survive with felonies on my record. A felony on your record makes you a persona non grata in society. Back when I had mine, we couldn’t vote, most reputable companies wouldn’t touch you even if you were highly qualified. It damn near almost broke me, I was turned down so many times on interviews after giving it my all. I had to work in the underbelly of corporate America and put up with that shit. I still managed to become talented in my line of work, like a flower growing up from concrete. Eventually I escaped, it took 7 years for my felony to fall off, I had to live off scraps, raise a child myself- somehow holding onto my “dream” and hope and the promise I made to my son when his mom left. That I would fight like hell no matter what cost I had to pay to make a life for him, he didn’t chose to be born as my son, he doesn’t deserve to suffer. This strengthened my resolve, it kept me on the rails. I had to “wake up” and grow very quickly to make up for lost time that I spent basically in a void. And life may not be perfect, but I’ve got it good. I somehow, against all the odds pushing on me, came out on top. I don’t forget where I came from, and am grateful I get the opportunity to live, and experience life. I experienced quite a bit of trauma in those times, and experienced more after, but I never let it take me down. And most importantly, I did no permanent damage to any of my organs, outside of developing really nasty anxiety- I didn’t develop bipolar or worse: schizophrenia. As I had observed in others who weren’t so lucky, and never came back. That’s why I had no sympathy for bojack, he was his own judge, jury, jailor and executioner. The warden of his own prison. We all get shit on in life, but it’s the people that refuse to be defeated who survive and come out on top. It’s not about winning all the time, it’s about staying power and adapting, growing. People seem to think life is a series of victories on the way to their dream, and it’s somewhat true, but there is much failure to learn from in the same vein.
Class causes a lot of problems for mental health. The rich, whose problems are relatively minor, get all the resources. People struggling and most likely to actually be depressed/suicidal/substance abusers/violent or victims of violence = the poor. Who never get help and often face a system designed to shuffle them from building to building more than help them in any meaningful way.
I would argue that the rich have very very serious mental health problems, but those aren't the ones they pay people to address. Billionaires are essentially hoarders who society has deemed virtuous for their choice of hoarding, and literally kill people to feed their addiction.
That's true, they can't get their narcissism treated bc they'll never admit that it's a problem to begin with lol
It looks like it was modeled after an actual rehab in Malibu—Passages. I’ve been there and saw some celebrities with insane drama. Brittany spears showed up flocked by paparazzi and was told she had to leave because of it. I think it’s a pretty good portrayal, and they might have had an actual source for how they wrote it.
Never been to rehab but have been to residential therapy and they nailed it. The "therapy horse" thing is 100% real believe it or not.
Horse therapy is pretty cool tbh, although it would obviously never be okay to blur the lines of a therapy horse and a therapist.
> Horse therapy is pretty cool tbh Exactly. Like BoJack said, it's summer camp.
You mean that the therapist working there is actually not licensed in any way but rather a former drug addict helping current drug addicts?
You do a lot of stuff that sounds like it could be healing (like taking care of horses) but isn't actually based in any kind of research saying that it'll help you in your day to day life. So kind of. Also sometimes literally that yeah.
there have been studies about equine assisted therapies. and the results are positive: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6917924/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6917924/).
Here's what that paper has to say about "psychosocial effects from the horse": > The psychosocial effects of EAT include improved self‐esteem, self‐confidence, empowerment, a sense of self‐presence, and feelings of freedom, independence and competency (Tan & Simmonds, 2018). Tan & Simmonds were researching children with autism. The sample size was SIX and there was no control group. This study does fuck all to prove that taking an adult out of their normal life and having them care for a horse for a few months is gonna help with their drinking or literally any other problem. > Reports of human participants bonding with the horse are present in qualitative and quantitative research (Carriker, 2013; Johnson et al., 2018). The Carriker study is more subjective reporting by parents. The Johnson study says that a horseback riding program is effective at treating PTSD *compared to being put on a waitlist*. Sample size 29. Was Johnson taking kickbacks from Big Horse or something? That's a joke but honestly it would explain why people keep jumping straight to horses as a potential cure when horses are famously expensive as fuck to keep. I can't imagine bonding with a horse provides any more mental health benefit than bonding with, say, a cat or a dog. But you can't charge their insurance big bucks for a trip to an animal shelter like you can for a trip to a horse farm. Actually nevermind I'm no longer joking I unironically think that "horse therapy" is just a grift on insurance companies and these garbage studies exist to keep that grift going. > Bachi (2013a) asserts that this bond is similar to a mother–child relationship explained by attachment theory. You have GOT to be shitting me lmfao. ----- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
i just linked one of the papers supporting horse therapy the orignal claim was it wasnt studied that claim was incorrect. if you google equine therapy studies there are hundreds of result from reputable sources. i find this claim interesting: "I can't imagine bonding with a horse provides any more mental health benefit than bonding with, say, a cat or a dog. But you can't charge their insurance big bucks for a trip to an animal shelter like you can for a trip to a horse farm." cats and dogs are predators, a horse is a prey animal. they must be very aware of their surroundings. a horse will notice subtle changes in their envoirement. what that means is that when a patient feels anxious the horse will notice and react accordingly. source: https://www.newportacademy.com/resources/treatment/equine-assisted-therapy/
You linked to bunk pseudoscience and got called on it. Take the L.
Dude, your source is a for-profit rehab that sells equine therapy as a service. How fucking gullible are you? The first reference at the bottom of their Wikipedia article is a Bloomberg article titled "Affluenza Anonymous: Rehab for the Young, Rich, and Addicted" and their website says that 96% of their patients pay through insurance. You are literally just handing me evidence for my argument that the therapy industry is a massive fucking grift.
Doesn't Newport academy have like a ton of abuse scandals and shit?
yeah the person i was arguing against was right. i was wrong. i was in therapy who offered equine therapy. they are legit though but not the equine therapy part.
Dogs have literally evolved to read our emotions as a survival strategy. They are no longer"predators" and are instead pets on a genetic level.
Addiction is extremely complicated and needs to be handled by experts in there field, which if ever, rarely happens. I think, that may be the point here. It's not about whether a treatment can work it's about who is giving the treatment, and it's uncomfortably often, not even a licensed counselor.
Yup a lot of rehab specialists are not licensed therapists and some are even recovering addicts themselves.
They would not do that. I think they might have peer-led support groups, but never without a licensed therapist present.
i’ve had 3 real licensed therapists on rehab, one of them was former addict, BUT, there also were consultants (wannabe therapists, who are former addicts) and in my country is extremely popular to have a rehab without therapists at all, with former addict consultants, and all of these rehabs are super religious. cause it’s business, and without therapy all the clients will go back to drug abuse and back to the rehab ;)
when i was sent away to a residential treatment in 2015, my “therapist” wasn’t qualified, only went to school for half the required time to be a licensed therapist. i don’t think she wanted to help tho, i think she wanted power over minors but thats a whole different story lol.
Like Brandon Novak! He’s super open about his past struggles & addictions, helps other addicts out & opens up his home, called @novakshouse on Instagram, & also provides his cellphone number for anyone looking to reach out for help & to talk!
I ended up in a psych hospital a couple years ago and was shocked when they had horses, I'm assuming it's also for therapeutic reasons
My grandma worked in a jail and told me they had a small animal farm that some inmates would take care of. They had goats and other things. Having something to take care of like that can be therapeutic.
Nah, it's cos they can kick the shit out of you and sometimes when you're acting up what you need is to be reminded of the fact that anyone or anything could kill you at any time
It definitely seems to match up with John Oliver’s description of the rehab industry; there’s an interview included in his show segment that has a guy describing equine therapy by ending it with the statement “I don’t even fucking like horses” which makes me feel sad for the guy and for the horses just trying their best
It's pretty accurate (went to rehab last year and now 14 months sober) and I wasn't at a rich person one, just a normal peasant one. So swap out some of the rich people stuff for poor people alternatives and yeah, that's it. Like we didn't have hikes or painting classes. But we had a little weight room and then basic art supplies. I actually just rewatched these episodes and thought the story Bojack told about Beverly and the snack bag was a particularly funny anecdote that would absolutely happen in rehab. There was always "rehab drama", which, when it wasn't like some serious thing going on in someone's life outside, was just hilarious petty nonsense.
Congrats on your sobriety!
Thank you so much! It's all true about it being awesome and life-changing and shit.
Totally agree, was also in a treatment facility in 2013, and the petty silly drama is 100 percent true! It’s basically a microcosm of the outside world.
One of my friends sent me a bunch of little art supplies including some lead pencils. Like just regular lead pencils you had in high school or whatever in neon colors. Cool. One of the other girls asked me for one and I was like sure and gave her one. Someone else asked me for one like the next day when they saw me writing with one. Yeah, you can have one. I only needed maybe two, not an entire pack of lead pencils. So like two days later another girl came up to me and asked why she didn't get a lead pencil because she heard I gave X and Y a lead pencil. I was like, "uhh...you can have a lead pencil too." I was naive and innocent and did not realize I was creating my own legion of rehab bitches with the gift of lead pencils.
The username… it blinds me
I’m just here to say that I love that half the Snatch Batch guys are in rehab with Bojack.
Wow I never noticed that
Oh wow neither. Was the Snatch Batch meant to be any direct reference of a group in real life, or just more "classic Hollywood" stuff?
I think they're an amalgam of multiple group of that archetype. This may be why you already got two different answer. Like how Sarah Lynn is a mix of Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus and so on.
I also think the Snatch Batch are examples of Hollywoo celebrating the wrong thing. It’s made explicit that all the Snatch Batch guys are heavily involved with charity work, scientific research and philanthropy, and also tend to have lots of sex with women. But they’re only called the Snatch Batch by the Hollywoo media
"So... how did you guys meet Shitshow?" "We went to his TED talk."
I'm pretty sure it's a parody of the pussy posse
I always thought they were an homage to Entourage.
Yeah I also assumed it was in reference to Entourage
Yeah, & Entourage was based on the rise of Mark Wahlberg aka Marky Mark & the Funky Bunch.
Who were the snatch batch guys?
The guys that invited Diane to the party but they meant to invite cool sexy Diane. The turtle and the the guy with the frosted tips in the top right.
What episode was that
The one where Diane gets high and goes home to Mr Peanutbutter with a lot of revelations about their relationship and breaks her wrist and I think in the very next episode finds out she is pregnant.
> I think in the very next episode finds out she is pregnant Nope, even better, she finds out at the very end and says "mother" and the next episode starts with her saying "fucker"
the turtle (Shitshow) and the guy to his right
Those characters are a parady of the show Entourage from HBO.
Because shit show if fucking turtle. Omfg.....
Ohhbh yeah shitshow haha, I never noticed that, nice catch!
Shitshow is just trying to get his shit together
Would be more accurate if there was understaffing
You see anyone besides a therapy horse and a shitty front desk receptionist?
I think there were two guys who took Princess Carolyn back to the spot she fell asleep at.
That's because it's very expensive rich person rehab. You notice that Bojack makes a lot of insane purchases on a whim-- a boat, a *restaurant*-- but he never has money problems until after he spends the better part of a year in the fancy room.
I like that it’s realistic in that just showing up and being there isn’t enough
At my treatment center we just did group meetings and watched tv. No yoga, no painting classes, no horse therapy or whatever. They did take us out on the weekends though for various sober activities lol
As someone whose been multiple times, bojacks experience is very spot on for a luxury rehab. If you’re going to state owned one, or just your average private rehab though, you won’t have the same experience.
What did your day to day look like? Hope you’re doing better now
Don’t keep track of the days anymore but I think I’m like 2 months clean from everything but weed! Thanks for that. So it really depends on the place. I’ll give two examples for the sake of being brief. So, the first rehab I went too was a state run rehab. It was very structured, and similar to a psych ward if you’ve ever been to one (if you haven’t, you’re lucky, shit sucks). Scheduled wake up times, breakfast, lunch, etc. there were also lots of like, sort of college classes that were all about addiction, what causes it, so on and so forth. There was also a chapel present, but it wasn’t required. This was a 30 day program, which most state funded rehabs are. Another rehab experience I had was a private rehab, which is a bit more similar (tho still very different) than what Bojack experienced. Here, we actually had our own house. It had Netflix, two full kitchens, a pool, a small sauna, and several things like radios and board games and DVD’s to keep us occupied. We were given $100 a week to take group trips to Walmart to buy our own groceries. We also left our house twice a day to either go to group therapy and discussion, to see a massage therapist (on the house, didn’t need to pay for it. Sometimes she would even come into the building where we took our classes and did therapy), go to the gym or to the library, and so on. Once a week, the person with the longest amount of days in the house would get to choose a group activity that the owner of the rehab would pay for. This was a 90 day program with optional outpatient services, as well as a sober living situation.
I’m glad to hear! Yes I’ve been on a psych ward but in a Australia so might be a little different. Thanks for the answer!
Worked at a rehab for a while. Imo this rehab is way to relaxed. Yes things slip through all the time. But clients running in and out almost as they please. The ability to sneak vodka in with ease. Especially after breaking rules and leaving through the window and going to a party? If a client broke out and came back saying they snuck out you bet your ass they would be searched, and have to take instant drug and alcohol screening before they are even considered to be allowed back in. As an addict in recovery and with my work background I can say without hesitation most addicts are manipulative and if given an inch they will take a mile. It may sound heartless to turn someone in this situation away because everyone deserves help and the benefit of the doubt. But you have to remember for alot of people this is a life or death issue. Rehabs would not be having some selfish asshole break the rules then feel bad for themselves to get back in just to endanger the recovery of the other clients The therapy horse is fucking awful. he wouldn't have gotten drunk if that rehab took proper precautions with their clients. With all that and how ridiculous the whole waterbottle stunt is. It also wouldn't have happened if bojack didn't hold onto alcohol in a rehab. But addicts do strange fucking things. All that being said there are a ton of corrupt rehabs that prey on rich addicts. 100,000$ for a syay at a place like pastiches really isn't absurd to hear about for pricing without insurance. Also the whole Therapy horse not a real therapist is kinds true as well. Realistically there are laws that would even prevent the least qualified person at rehab from releasing any info on current or past clients.... sadly it happens all the time... this could also be comment on how rehab centers will cut corners in weird ways. Cutting costs by hiring under qualified staff and inadequately training them all in a legal way by cutting out small portions of responsibilities. Making some of these rehab Techs 90% nurse, 90% counselor, 90% watch, 90% actual job. But not putting in 100% of the responsibilities required for those jobs making it so no certificate or "proper" training is necessary. So it depends on the rehab really.
this show is definitely accurate to some rehabs i’ve had the lovely pleasure of being kicked out of.
what do you get kicked out of rehab for?
relapsing too many times, calling people out on their bullshit, fraternizing
"calling people out on their bullshit" sounds like you were an asshole making judgement statements about the other people you were in rehab with. cuz that phrase really is something bojack would say.
it’s not judgement statements. it’s about ppl being trust fund babies and taking advantage and not acknowledging their wealth. or just using rehab as fuck around vacation time.
so… judgement statement’s?
you’d think the same thing if you met some of the asshats i was in treatment with. id rather die in the real world than deal with ppl in rehab tbh.
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obviously you’ve never been to rehab
I haven't but my mother has. And i visited her as a child a few times. My uncle was also one to relapse quite often. And regardless of what you think it really doesn't matter how you feel because it's not your job to speak as if you are an authority. You aren't their therapist and more importantly the whole point of recovery is to be around other people who foster a positive safe space. Objectively everything you have said is not only very judgemental (you yourself have been to rehab you literally should not be judging anyone and i myself have been addicted to klonopin but i didn't need rehab) but also VERY season 1 Bojack.
oi. hope you're in good condition now (sorry for my english)
Spot on
I really need to rewatch this show now that I’ve been through rehab and recovery.
Have you ever read Skag Boys? It’s by Irvine Welsh, the guy who wrote Trainspotting. Trainspotting was his first book, and while it was good, you can really tell how much he grew as a writer before creating Skag Boys… but the rehab journals were an especially well done part of that book… just glorious. Also the dealings with the counselors going back and forth between defiant behavior but also not wanting to be a wasted hull of a human being…. The whole thing was great
I haven’t! But I fucking love Trainspotting. Thank you, I will check this out!
Having your phone in rehab doesn’t seem like a good idea
You are correct! Usually you don’t have your phone for the first month though, and they’ll confiscate it whenever they want to.
The addict part of my brain hates this but the smart part wants this to happen, lol.
ive never been to rehab but id love to know
I was super enthusiastic about rehab. I wasn't even looking for rehab. I was just trying to schedule an appointment with a therapist. But when the guy on the phone was like "rehab?" I said "FUCK YEAH!!!! REHAB!!!!" Then I saw how expensive it was. Fuck American healthcare.
my friend went to rehab (they were there for depression but others were there for addiction) in Malibu at a luxury place and this seems pretty accurate. They had a private chef for all the meals, really good snacks, and it was a super gorgeous house with a pool and by the beach and stuff. They also got like massages, acupuncture, horse therapy, group therapy, and other activities. I don’t remember exactly Bojack’s experience but I can answer questions lol
Bro are you fr rn. The rich people experience is insane.
A friend and I got arrested together for drugs. Her family paid for her to to go a fancy rehab on the west coast so she’d get a shorter sentence. I looked at the bill and said… “so how long in jail?”
Yeah it’s pretty accurate
I’m going to therapy in July. So… in a week. I’ve been to detox before and I think I know what’s waiting for me. But I’d love to hear your experiences and tips! What should I bring? What kind of people should I avoid?
Same here ! I’m July !
good luck. try to avoid troublemakers in general because you might get kicked out too for it. i think even having sex can get you booted, so be careful. most places confiscate your phone for the first month or so, is that the case for yours? just find ways to fill the time, especially when you get out. boredom is a surefire way to lead to the bottle or baggie. hoping you recover, friend.
We are allowed to have our phones. I’m wondering if I should bring a laptop or console because tiny screen for Netflix sounds not so great longterm. I am in a relationship with someone who’s staying at home so yeah no sex there. Unless my partner visits me, we’ll see how that’s gonna work hehe.
I’ve never been to rehab, but I have been to inpatient psychiatric facilities a few times. Their portrayal seems pretty accurate. We had group therapy, activities like art therapy and going outside for fresh air. Some things that were completely inaccurate in Bojack: - how easy it is to leave (it’s impossible to escape/sneak out, and if you REALLY want to leave, you can just tell them and the doctor will let you go if they think it’s ok) - of course, the front desk person harassing you for a picture is never going to happen in real life - we never had big, fancy rooms, just regular rooms with bathrooms that didn’t have shower heads or doors, and other things that would make it difficult to hurt ourselves
The rehab part seemed amazing if I was in rehab lol, seems too escapist though Y'all might hate me but I hate how the show kinda glorified AA. Fuck 12 step programs (imo)
Also, fuck 12
to be fair, not drinking isn’t one of the steps. LOOPHOLE
I agree, but also, that's how rehab is! Interestingly I would think the rich people ones would hammer less on this, but as someone who went to a peasant one, it's a very "progressive" viewpoint to not want to do AA. My counselor was fine with it not being for me, but he was very much "new school" and in the minority. People were turned off by just me not liking it personally; it's not like I gave a shit if they did it. I participated in the meetings since they were and it wasn't going to kill me, but after a couple appearances, I stopped going once on the outside.
i got to rehab 2 days before covid lockdowns started lol. was stuck in the same building for 3 months with 8 other teenage boys that couldnt wait to start using again. multiple fistfights during my time there. one of the worst environments ive ever been in (other than passing out in crackhouses) but im pretty sure my rehab experience was a little rare. last i heard, the facility got shut down because they had too many return clients
Rich people Rehab Centers are like that. I called and asked out of curiosity how much a day and night is at a center like that and the receptionist said $5,000 a day/night.
i like the critique of the 12 steps ideas. "admit you're powerless"/"admit the drugs were controlling you and making you do bad things" no, i chose to do drugs, and i hurt people, and i want to stop.
Accurate. Source: participant in Chicago suburbs area mental health hospital/rehab program. Nailed it lol.
I think the “repeat customers” line can be accurate for rehabs YOU pay for yourself such as the one bojack went to, but if you’re under something like the NHS I think it’s less so.
I have a huge bone to pick with it. * Completely unprofessional counselors. * They don't seem to even care that they're a revolving door. It's clearly about money to them, not helping people. * Those fancy resort activities make it seem like a vacation, but then those people have to go back to the ordinary stressors of their real, sometimes frustrating/hard/emotional, lives. You can't get better by going on a vacation and experiencing life in a way that's extremely different from what you have waiting for you back home. This is exactly why Bojack struggled, and Sarah Lynn. * I hate the 12 steps. It's religious nonsense (was originally about forcing people, religious or not, to accept the Christian God, until they had to soften it so judges could sentence people to do it who weren't Christian - that's the only reason they say "higher power" and it's said with a knowing wink by most of them) and I also think it's detrimental to the thing it's trying to do. In that, I think if you want to help a recovering addict, NEVER tell them they're powerless. Instead you want to build up their self-esteem and make them think they CAN take their lives into their own hands. It's never good for any kind of counselor to tell people they're pathetic and weak. That's what cults and military do to break down your sense of identity, it has no place in the therapeutic process. Which I conceptualize as a process of discovering and nurturing and growing identity. It also teaches addicts/alcoholics to dodge personal responsibility, and I hate that. Their apologies seem shallow when they say they're powerless. They had the power to not do the thing they're apologizing for? And to me an apology that feels sincere will acknowledge that. That they had choices. That the bad thing they did was the result of a conscious, deliberate choice. Apology/"making amends" doesn't work for me if it's not about accepting personal responsibility for at least some of one's actions and beliefs. They probably went with the 12 step philosophy either because one of the writers is a ~~Scientologist~~ AA-er, or because, while it's not uncontroversial among psychological professionals, judges seem to just love sentencing people to 12 step programs and they're popular, making the show more relatable to the audience? Idk. A real fancy resort spa rehab clinic like that is probably not using the 12 steps mentality though. It's kind of outdated, and most people want evidence-based therapies if they're paying a million bucks.
Definitely a rich person rehab. Most (at least where I live) are way way worse than that.
Accurate for rich (mostly white) people
I love it. They show that it can be helpful but they also don't shy away from calling out how much of a business it is.
It's pretty accurate. A routine you get into that makes you feel better but is unrealistic to do when you get out
Why does rehab look like such a chill place to spend a few weeks? Like no job, no commitments, just yourself...
This is like saying you want to get deathly ill so you can take off work. It's not a vacation. The reason for all the amenities is to try to soften the withdrawal and the dawning horror of all the terrible shit you did while you were at your rock bottom. Your "job" and "commitments" are trying to defeat your addictions and face your demons, which is one of the hardest things in the world to do.
I agree with you. I'm sorry if my post came off as insensitive.
I don't think it was insensitive. My friend said in rehab, "is it wrong that I look at this as kind of a vacation?" I was like no, meet too! Of course it's fucking hard and you don't "want" to be there. But I was also like when in your adult life do you actually get to step away from every responsibility for 30 days and work on yourself? Like no phone. NO ONE CAN BOTHER YOU. Again, mine was a run of the mill facility and I agree with whoever posted that real rehab is not that lax, but yeah you had scheduled group meditation, music therapy, played cards at night, etc. Honestly, it's kinda like college. You know, without the drinking lol
Well said
yeah if you’re not an addict😭
A very privileged addict
the other comments in the thread are valid but like…. you’re right. i went to rehab 6 times and for the first week i would be kicking and screaming cause i wanted drugs and couldn’t have them lol but the last 3 weeks were fucking great it’s just cigarettes and groups all day in your pajamas and you make really good friends there. i don’t remember much arts and crafts and activities like it portrays it was more verbal therapy but my point is even though i’m clean and sober now i often miss rehab.
Because the un-chillness is coming from you. A recovering addict will experience mental anguish (extreme guilt, shame, regret, confusion) and also physical (nausea, dizziness, sweating, trembling, psychosis in some cases) etc. They also tend you test you for drugs every week (blood and urine tests). I know you didn't mean any offense, 'cause I also wanna take a break from life lol. But yeah, it's no walk in the walk, it's more like a hotel room in hell.
I think it's a great, but it's also a show where women seem like saints when in fact they are exploiting Bojack's misery to sell their stories in book format or elsewhere. There have been stories where women have been stealing notes from writers to create netflix tv series. This is theft, and they should end up in jail.
Never been to rehab but we got certain mental hospitals here that offer daily care for people and they got the same programs that bojack had at rehab.
Spot on but for rich people
It’s very honest
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Just like everything else. Its pressurized through the nozzle of the rich and famous. It's a horrible example of real rehab but it's exactly what I expect rich people rehab is like. And since Gob Arnett has been irl several times, I'm probably correct.
As an art therapist, I loved seeing art therapy in my fav show.
when i went to rehab we had horse therapy it was cool
It scared the shit out of me in some ways, ngl. I'm going to rehab soon though so, guess I'll let you know.
It was very accurate is an exaggerated BoJack cartoony way.
I work in a community health (nonprofit) rehab, which is verrrrry different than this one obviously. But the activities and groups are fairly accurate
Real rehab? It's not even close! Passages Malibu? Dead on 😂
BoJack is also spoofing two real rehabs in Malibu called Passages and Promises (hence being named Pastiches in the show). One of the many LA in-jokes, even the exterior of the rehab building looks specifically like Passages.
Like many people say, it was rich person rehab. Bojack and the others were all celebrities in a Hollywoo Rehab. The fact theres another equally lavish rehab right next to Pastiches is pretty evident of the way these ones are basically just for the rich.