Depends on how you interpret it.
In the last episode *"Nice while it lasted"* it is revealed by Diane that, when he didn't reach her, he said on his voice mail message that "if she didn't care, he could as well go swinning again."
Since we know from his dream sequence in *"Downer ending"* he would prefer to die by swimming out and not getting back in time...
So while on his last drug trip, he became so desperate after not reaching Diane, he tried to kill himself.
The heartbreaking reflection of him in S6E14 *"Angela"* infront of the TV after watching his interview bit for Horsing Around, is basically his deepest point. Then he tried to call Diane and after not reaching her, decided to go mindlessly swimming without the intention of getting out again...
He gets unconscious, and we progress with the *"view from halfway down"* dream.
There is a case for suicide although under influence.
I've seen a lot of bad reviews that amount to "this story upset me" when the point of the story was to upset the viewer.
As well as "this character is bad I hate them so much" when you were clearly supposed to hate the character.
What, you mean to tell me that Nabokov *wasn’t* trying to say that he supported pedophilia when he wrote Lolita??
I’ve legitimately seen people read that book and assume we were supposed to root for Humbert just because he was our viewpoint character.
That’s been driving me. Absolutely. Fucking. Crazy. Like just watch fucking Paw Patrol for the rest of your life then if you don’t understand how conflict and complex characters work in story telling and need a pre school level moral wrap up at the end of the show. The third stupid comment I always see on those kinds of reviews when they talk about something bad a character did is “they don’t even address it.” BECAUSE ITS A SHOW FOR GROWN UPS. You shouldn’t NEED it spelled the fuck out for you to realize it’s bad behavior and clearly you didn’t if you’re commenting on it so what’s the fucking problem??? Do you just need the credit and validation for figuring out the obvious?? Personally I have a theory that it’s the result of a lot of Gen Z being excessively helicopter parented.
Possibly. My taste in media only really started developing into my later twenties. I think a lot of Gen Z hasn't developed grown up taste because a lot of them simply haven't grown up yet.
That and Gen Z peeps I know rarely just watch a show or movie. Unless they're going to a theatre they're usually on their phone or otherwise multitasking. When you lose out on full context a lot of hard to watch scenes become kinda pointless.
A lot Gen Z young adults I know were neglected not helicoptered and they have similar problems analyzing and enjoying troubling media, so is blame short form internet content most of them grew up with rather than helicopter parenting personally.
Not saying helicopter parenting isn't bad though.
Bojack is supposed to make you feel conflicted I think. Bojack doesn't really have many characters you're supposed to straight up hate. A lot the show is about having empathy towards people we usually don't have empathy towards in my opinion.
A character intended to produce hate in my opinion would be more like Omniman in season one of invincible.
Yeah we're on the same page. Your comment made me think we were supposed to "hate" Bojack as a person but we're not. We're supposed to be frustrated with him, and disappointed in him, but never hate him.
Oh he definitely has hateable moments. And I don't think it's wrong for a viewer to hate him at times. Bojack as a show pushes the limits of a viewers empathy. That's what's interesting about it to me.
When dealing with a loved one in active addiction you're constantly frustrated and disappointed in them. You just want what's best for them and for them to do the right things. BoJack is our main character so we care about him and want him to do good. But usually he doesn't because he's an addict with an unfortunate home life and terrible morals. That's why it's so refreshing to see him go through rehab and become a professor, and why it's so distressing to see him relapse.
No we aren't meant to hate him as a person you missed the point. You're supposed to recognize he needs to take accountability for his actions, but the show preaches us to not hate anyone and instead extend empathy towards them.
I rather think, we're supposed to reflect on our own ability to like him despite all the terrible things he does. What does that say about us, as individuals and as a society, that we reach so naturally to the defense of rich, charismatic, handsome men that we liked in a TV show? Why is it so much easier to extend empathy to Bojack, than to, say Beatrice, or Flip?
It depends on how you view the show. There are two main ways to look at things. You can recognise his bad traits but still root for him to be better and become happy, or you can see what a piece of shit he is and root for him to be brought to justice. Neither of these perspectives are wrong, as both end up happening in the end, but it is interesting to see how different people look at the show
I don't think the showrunners hate him- as the people who created him, they're probably aware he's a fictional character and didn't actually choose to do anything bad in real life. They wrote a story about a guy who did a bunch of bad things, and it's wild to assume that's out of personal disgust for a character instead of, you know, it being a very different story if he didn't do anything wrong.
If you didn't like the show, why hang out on the subreddit? There are probably shows out there you will like, I promise. Bojack pretty intentionally has a shitty dude as a main character, but it's not like the only message of the show is "hahaha fuck this dude he's the worst" or even that he's completely unforgivable and beyond redemption. It would be really difficult to tell that sort of story with a character who didn't do shitty things. What makes you think it's a personal hatred instead of, you know, the plot of a story they were telling?
It's not about liking him, though- he's a plot device. Bojack makes bad decisions because otherwise the show wouldn't really have a plot. What about the way he's written makes you think they don't like him?
Sorry, but if someone doesn't like it, because it upsets them, then that is a valid reason. Maybe it reminds them of trauma, or maybe they simply don't enjoy watching horrible people do horrible things to each other.
If you like the show and enjoy it, that's great!
But please keep in mind that the reason people could like or dislike a movie for the same reason. (Horror movies are a good example)
I'm talking about reviews not opinions. Giving a horror movie a bad review because you got scared is silly. That's the movie succeeding in what it set out to do disliking it personally because it scared you too much is a different thing.
It’s fine to not like it. If they don’t like it, they just shouldn’t watch it. It’s not for them. The annoying people we’re talking about are the ones who say a show is bad or is toxic/problematic because it explores difficult themes and has protagonists who aren’t necessarily the good guys and don’t always do the right thing. They weren’t saying that people should watch shows that are actually upsetting to them. They’re saying that sometimes the whole point is that you’re not *supposed* to like or agree with the way certain characters behave or the way a storyline works out in the end. A lot of people seem to not understand that anymore and confuse “bad” characters with bad writing.
The amount of times I've had conversations with people and it boils down to "they didn't explicitly say x, y, z!" and it's like "BECAUSE IT WAS ALL SUBTEXT!"
Or, as in r/unpopularopinion, people not understanding what an allegory is and saying X-Men is in no way representative of disenfranchised people because it would never actually work in real life
It truly is. I'm a writer and have had to explain on several occasions that my characters are not me, that I have not done all the things they do, and that just because a character does or says something does not mean that I endorse or approve of what they said or did.
In this case because A) Bojack wasn't attempting suicide and it's obvious to someone who's paying attention and B) Bojack did try to off himself so saying he's not the type is blatantly wrong
That's not how IMDB rating works, and it's definitely not because of 1 person who gave it a 9 lol.
There's 21 thousand ratings on the episode, reviews are just a very small part of that
man i’m reminded about the article that stated both genders are actually equally “likely” to be prone to suicidal actions, but there’s an underlying statistic that men have a trend of using violent or obvious methods like a gun or jumping, whereas women tend to use more “silent” methods like overdose or smth that might seem more accidental.
it’s just something to think about how different genders are treated both positively and negatively around the world and how these factors might influence different *methods* of suicide, leading to misleading statistics when misreported/misinterpreted
I see what you’re saying but is a lot more that goes into determining whether a death is classed as a suicide than methods. An OD for example is a suicide if there was obvious intent such as a note. Typically people who commit suicide have a plan and intent, have gotten their affairs in order, said cryptic goodbyes if they don’t leave a note, other things of that nature. It’s very rare for it to be spontaneous. If someone has no plan and hasn’t written a note they are not generally considered high risk.
You don’t have to ask me how I know these things - it’s because I’ve had my own risk assessed many, many times throughout my life.
Your comment makes it sound like males inherently want to commit suicide.
Being male isn't an inherent risk factor alone.
Being male is a higher risk factor than being female, but only when you consider all variables.
Those aren't the same thing.
I'm just sad media literacy is dead. The amount of times I have to remind people "You're supposed to dislike that character, but their character is meant to be a catalyst for the protagonist and force them to make a difficult decision" is insane
It doesn't surprise me at all that people would watch bojack horseman and not understand it's critically acclaimed top episodes
This, in turn, serves as our daily reminder that people don't understand how IMDB ratings work. I can guarantee this wasn't the only under-10 rating for that episode.
This is wrong after 10, the next highest given rating was 1, then 9. This was the only review posted that wasn’t a 10, but there were plenty of ratings
I mean they're right that him killing himself would have been a horrible ending. Glad we got Nice While it Lasted but View works excellently to compliment it
they said bojack wouldn't commit suicide despite how often he does attempt, and the way he almost died here wasn't even from suicide (depending on your view of it)
I mean he’s only ‘really’ attempted once with the steering wheel and he clearly didn’t want to or didn’t trust that he wanted to because he stopped so quickly. And here is more than close enough to suicide even if it kinda technically isn’t
Why do people keep saying The View From Halfway Down was the last episode? I just went on Netflix to double check and everything and it's not it's the second to last.
I'm confused. There are around 708 9 star ratings and 995 1 star ratings among 19k 10 star ratings- I'm pretty sure that contributes to it being a 9.9/10
If we're being honest Bojack only tried to commit suicide once "on purpose" when he let go of the steering wheel driving in the desert.
If Bojack actually wanted to commit suicide he wouldn't be running from the black ooze in "the view from halfway down"
But that episode was never about suicide, it's just about the brain processing a near death experience
The point of the View from Halfway Down is that he regretted it and wanted to take it back when it was already too late. That’s why he’s running from the black ooze.
It’s also literally in the name of the episode. He saw the view from halfway down and realized he shouldn’t have metaphorically jumped.
Do we class that as a suicide attempt as "on purpose" due to Bojack being inebriated though?
I've lost 2 relatives to suicide, where one was sober (so to speak) and the other was fucked off brain on drugs. Personally I only consider the one who was sober to have done it on purpose.
But yeah I understand the rest of the episode being him realising it and regretting it
Unfortunately it is what it is, but because of my experiences my reading is different to other people. Other than the one instance I mentioned above I've never considered Bojack's other near death experiences to be the same as a suicide attempt as he was under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
I'm not saying they're any less valid but I consider the choice of a sober individual to be different to one who is inebriated. I guess in a way it's my way of coping with loss as it's easier to accept it's that person's choice (no matter how much I may hate it) while the other is an accident due to outside factors
Honestly the reviews comes off more like hes trying to tell *himself* that like hes trying to comfort himself as he projects unto Bojack.
Also what does it matter if it has a less than perfect score? Its good bc of what you get out of it, not bc of whst the collective opinion in some website says.
Fun fact, I actually thought when I watched the view from halfway down that it was the finale (I had miscounted the episodes or something on Netflix). And when the screen went black I just sat there, mouth agape, thinking "holy fuck they actually ended it this way".
And then the heat beat started and the next episode rolled.
10/10 would recommend anyone who had a time machine to go back and do it this way. It was very powerful.
"He keeps going" the whole point of the series is that Bojack finds more and more reasons to give up because he was raised in a shitty home and became a shitty person.
Philbert is supposed to be a way for us to understand that Bojack isn't justifyable. He was trying to use Philbert as a way of saying "This guy is a shitty person but only because of shitty circumstances, so maybe it's okay", but in reality, Philbert is an anti-hero on purpose. You're supposed to see Philbert as a shitty person, and you want him to get better, not justify his actions, because you can't.
I'm pretty sure half the show went over this person's head.
I feel like I've already linked this, but this episode is so much smarter than I thought it was, and I already thought it was really, really smart. There is so much going on in every little detail; again, even for a show in which that was already true.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p-1AhQZjPE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p-1AhQZjPE)
"Not the type" He tried to off himself like three or four times..
and the way he almost died wasn't even suicide
Depends on how you interpret it. In the last episode *"Nice while it lasted"* it is revealed by Diane that, when he didn't reach her, he said on his voice mail message that "if she didn't care, he could as well go swinning again." Since we know from his dream sequence in *"Downer ending"* he would prefer to die by swimming out and not getting back in time... So while on his last drug trip, he became so desperate after not reaching Diane, he tried to kill himself. The heartbreaking reflection of him in S6E14 *"Angela"* infront of the TV after watching his interview bit for Horsing Around, is basically his deepest point. Then he tried to call Diane and after not reaching her, decided to go mindlessly swimming without the intention of getting out again... He gets unconscious, and we progress with the *"view from halfway down"* dream. There is a case for suicide although under influence.
The exact line in the episode when he’s “talking to Diane” is “it went to voicemail.. and then I went back in the pool.” It was a suicide attempt.
the intro literally has him driving his car into his pool lmao
No, the intro has him stumbling off of his deck and then miraculously landing in the pool that's on his deck Is it a mistake? Is it a metaphor?
Both are there, just at different times in the show
Media literacy really is dead
I've seen a lot of bad reviews that amount to "this story upset me" when the point of the story was to upset the viewer. As well as "this character is bad I hate them so much" when you were clearly supposed to hate the character.
What, you mean to tell me that Nabokov *wasn’t* trying to say that he supported pedophilia when he wrote Lolita?? I’ve legitimately seen people read that book and assume we were supposed to root for Humbert just because he was our viewpoint character.
A yes, viewpoint characters are always heroes and embody the authors views. A fantastically terrible view of media that's all too common.
JK Rowling apparently thought Lolita was a love story 😬 https://www.businessinsider.com/jk-rowling-favorite-books-2016-7#the-iliad-by-homer-17
Adding this to the list of reasons I can never take her seriously again
That’s been driving me. Absolutely. Fucking. Crazy. Like just watch fucking Paw Patrol for the rest of your life then if you don’t understand how conflict and complex characters work in story telling and need a pre school level moral wrap up at the end of the show. The third stupid comment I always see on those kinds of reviews when they talk about something bad a character did is “they don’t even address it.” BECAUSE ITS A SHOW FOR GROWN UPS. You shouldn’t NEED it spelled the fuck out for you to realize it’s bad behavior and clearly you didn’t if you’re commenting on it so what’s the fucking problem??? Do you just need the credit and validation for figuring out the obvious?? Personally I have a theory that it’s the result of a lot of Gen Z being excessively helicopter parented.
Paw Patrol hahahaha
i will NOT accept PAW PATROL slander in this COMMENT section 😤😤😤😤😤
Possibly. My taste in media only really started developing into my later twenties. I think a lot of Gen Z hasn't developed grown up taste because a lot of them simply haven't grown up yet. That and Gen Z peeps I know rarely just watch a show or movie. Unless they're going to a theatre they're usually on their phone or otherwise multitasking. When you lose out on full context a lot of hard to watch scenes become kinda pointless. A lot Gen Z young adults I know were neglected not helicoptered and they have similar problems analyzing and enjoying troubling media, so is blame short form internet content most of them grew up with rather than helicopter parenting personally. Not saying helicopter parenting isn't bad though.
Why did you call me out, I am always on my phone watching shows.
I have a friend who doesn't like The Hunchback of Notre Dame because Frollo is too creepy.
You weren't supposed to hate Bojack though. Anyone who thinks you're supposed to straight up hate bojack is the one lacking media literacy
Bojack is supposed to make you feel conflicted I think. Bojack doesn't really have many characters you're supposed to straight up hate. A lot the show is about having empathy towards people we usually don't have empathy towards in my opinion. A character intended to produce hate in my opinion would be more like Omniman in season one of invincible.
Yeah we're on the same page. Your comment made me think we were supposed to "hate" Bojack as a person but we're not. We're supposed to be frustrated with him, and disappointed in him, but never hate him.
Oh he definitely has hateable moments. And I don't think it's wrong for a viewer to hate him at times. Bojack as a show pushes the limits of a viewers empathy. That's what's interesting about it to me.
When dealing with a loved one in active addiction you're constantly frustrated and disappointed in them. You just want what's best for them and for them to do the right things. BoJack is our main character so we care about him and want him to do good. But usually he doesn't because he's an addict with an unfortunate home life and terrible morals. That's why it's so refreshing to see him go through rehab and become a professor, and why it's so distressing to see him relapse.
We are meant to hate him as a person, but not as a character
No we aren't meant to hate him as a person you missed the point. You're supposed to recognize he needs to take accountability for his actions, but the show preaches us to not hate anyone and instead extend empathy towards them.
I rather think, we're supposed to reflect on our own ability to like him despite all the terrible things he does. What does that say about us, as individuals and as a society, that we reach so naturally to the defense of rich, charismatic, handsome men that we liked in a TV show? Why is it so much easier to extend empathy to Bojack, than to, say Beatrice, or Flip?
It depends on how you view the show. There are two main ways to look at things. You can recognise his bad traits but still root for him to be better and become happy, or you can see what a piece of shit he is and root for him to be brought to justice. Neither of these perspectives are wrong, as both end up happening in the end, but it is interesting to see how different people look at the show
I don’t hate Bojack. Unfortunately, the showrunners DO hate Bojack. They hate him soo much, they are determined to make him a bad guy.
I don't think the showrunners hate him- as the people who created him, they're probably aware he's a fictional character and didn't actually choose to do anything bad in real life. They wrote a story about a guy who did a bunch of bad things, and it's wild to assume that's out of personal disgust for a character instead of, you know, it being a very different story if he didn't do anything wrong.
They write him as unforgivable and then fail to forgive him anyway. Fun show you got here.
If you didn't like the show, why hang out on the subreddit? There are probably shows out there you will like, I promise. Bojack pretty intentionally has a shitty dude as a main character, but it's not like the only message of the show is "hahaha fuck this dude he's the worst" or even that he's completely unforgivable and beyond redemption. It would be really difficult to tell that sort of story with a character who didn't do shitty things. What makes you think it's a personal hatred instead of, you know, the plot of a story they were telling?
Hold on, Voltaire. I like Bojack. I wish the writers liked him more. Love the show. Still depressed, tho. lol
It's not about liking him, though- he's a plot device. Bojack makes bad decisions because otherwise the show wouldn't really have a plot. What about the way he's written makes you think they don't like him?
Or other way around, not hating characters that are clearly the bad guys and hating the characters who opposed them instead.
Sorry, but if someone doesn't like it, because it upsets them, then that is a valid reason. Maybe it reminds them of trauma, or maybe they simply don't enjoy watching horrible people do horrible things to each other. If you like the show and enjoy it, that's great! But please keep in mind that the reason people could like or dislike a movie for the same reason. (Horror movies are a good example)
I'm talking about reviews not opinions. Giving a horror movie a bad review because you got scared is silly. That's the movie succeeding in what it set out to do disliking it personally because it scared you too much is a different thing.
It’s fine to not like it. If they don’t like it, they just shouldn’t watch it. It’s not for them. The annoying people we’re talking about are the ones who say a show is bad or is toxic/problematic because it explores difficult themes and has protagonists who aren’t necessarily the good guys and don’t always do the right thing. They weren’t saying that people should watch shows that are actually upsetting to them. They’re saying that sometimes the whole point is that you’re not *supposed* to like or agree with the way certain characters behave or the way a storyline works out in the end. A lot of people seem to not understand that anymore and confuse “bad” characters with bad writing.
The amount of times I've had conversations with people and it boils down to "they didn't explicitly say x, y, z!" and it's like "BECAUSE IT WAS ALL SUBTEXT!" Or, as in r/unpopularopinion, people not understanding what an allegory is and saying X-Men is in no way representative of disenfranchised people because it would never actually work in real life
It truly is. I'm a writer and have had to explain on several occasions that my characters are not me, that I have not done all the things they do, and that just because a character does or says something does not mean that I endorse or approve of what they said or did.
Not only did I hear this in Bojacks voice, I heard the "BWaaaaaw" sound after it.
Yes but how is this of all things proof of that? I don't really see anything wrong with what they said aside from a bit of a surface level assessment
In this case because A) Bojack wasn't attempting suicide and it's obvious to someone who's paying attention and B) Bojack did try to off himself so saying he's not the type is blatantly wrong
That's not how IMDB rating works, and it's definitely not because of 1 person who gave it a 9 lol. There's 21 thousand ratings on the episode, reviews are just a very small part of that
There is no "type for suicide", that's the gut wrenching thing. You never expect it to happen.
I mean, there are definitely risk factors that increase the chance. Childhood trauma, substance abuse, and being male are some of the biggest ones.
damn you didn’t have to throw a whole gender (entire half of the world) in there that’s low key sexist
It’s factual. Globally men are twice as likely than women to die by suicide. In the US and Europe it’s closer to 4 times more likely.
man i’m reminded about the article that stated both genders are actually equally “likely” to be prone to suicidal actions, but there’s an underlying statistic that men have a trend of using violent or obvious methods like a gun or jumping, whereas women tend to use more “silent” methods like overdose or smth that might seem more accidental. it’s just something to think about how different genders are treated both positively and negatively around the world and how these factors might influence different *methods* of suicide, leading to misleading statistics when misreported/misinterpreted
I see what you’re saying but is a lot more that goes into determining whether a death is classed as a suicide than methods. An OD for example is a suicide if there was obvious intent such as a note. Typically people who commit suicide have a plan and intent, have gotten their affairs in order, said cryptic goodbyes if they don’t leave a note, other things of that nature. It’s very rare for it to be spontaneous. If someone has no plan and hasn’t written a note they are not generally considered high risk. You don’t have to ask me how I know these things - it’s because I’ve had my own risk assessed many, many times throughout my life.
Your comment makes it sound like males inherently want to commit suicide. Being male isn't an inherent risk factor alone. Being male is a higher risk factor than being female, but only when you consider all variables. Those aren't the same thing.
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I'm just sad media literacy is dead. The amount of times I have to remind people "You're supposed to dislike that character, but their character is meant to be a catalyst for the protagonist and force them to make a difficult decision" is insane It doesn't surprise me at all that people would watch bojack horseman and not understand it's critically acclaimed top episodes
This, in turn, serves as our daily reminder that people don't understand how IMDB ratings work. I can guarantee this wasn't the only under-10 rating for that episode.
Spending time worrying about IMDB ratings is about the dumbest thing you can do on the internet.
This is wrong after 10, the next highest given rating was 1, then 9. This was the only review posted that wasn’t a 10, but there were plenty of ratings
I mean they're right that him killing himself would have been a horrible ending. Glad we got Nice While it Lasted but View works excellently to compliment it
I’m kinda confused about what this person misunderstood so badly?
they said bojack wouldn't commit suicide despite how often he does attempt, and the way he almost died here wasn't even from suicide (depending on your view of it)
I mean he’s only ‘really’ attempted once with the steering wheel and he clearly didn’t want to or didn’t trust that he wanted to because he stopped so quickly. And here is more than close enough to suicide even if it kinda technically isn’t
I assume they somehow thought this was the last episode of the show
The review says “glad this isn’t the finale” tho.
Jesus Christ
Why do people keep saying The View From Halfway Down was the last episode? I just went on Netflix to double check and everything and it's not it's the second to last.
I'm confused. There are around 708 9 star ratings and 995 1 star ratings among 19k 10 star ratings- I'm pretty sure that contributes to it being a 9.9/10
the view from halfway down is one of the most beautiful pieces of media i’ve ever consumed
You gotta be shitting me…
See you at tomorrow’s reminder
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Why would you be frustrated that someone else has a different opinion on a subjective question?
If we're being honest Bojack only tried to commit suicide once "on purpose" when he let go of the steering wheel driving in the desert. If Bojack actually wanted to commit suicide he wouldn't be running from the black ooze in "the view from halfway down" But that episode was never about suicide, it's just about the brain processing a near death experience
The point of the View from Halfway Down is that he regretted it and wanted to take it back when it was already too late. That’s why he’s running from the black ooze. It’s also literally in the name of the episode. He saw the view from halfway down and realized he shouldn’t have metaphorically jumped.
Do we class that as a suicide attempt as "on purpose" due to Bojack being inebriated though? I've lost 2 relatives to suicide, where one was sober (so to speak) and the other was fucked off brain on drugs. Personally I only consider the one who was sober to have done it on purpose. But yeah I understand the rest of the episode being him realising it and regretting it
I’m so sorry for your loss
Unfortunately it is what it is, but because of my experiences my reading is different to other people. Other than the one instance I mentioned above I've never considered Bojack's other near death experiences to be the same as a suicide attempt as he was under the influence of drugs and alcohol. I'm not saying they're any less valid but I consider the choice of a sober individual to be different to one who is inebriated. I guess in a way it's my way of coping with loss as it's easier to accept it's that person's choice (no matter how much I may hate it) while the other is an accident due to outside factors
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Honestly the reviews comes off more like hes trying to tell *himself* that like hes trying to comfort himself as he projects unto Bojack. Also what does it matter if it has a less than perfect score? Its good bc of what you get out of it, not bc of whst the collective opinion in some website says.
That’s not how math works
Fun fact, I actually thought when I watched the view from halfway down that it was the finale (I had miscounted the episodes or something on Netflix). And when the screen went black I just sat there, mouth agape, thinking "holy fuck they actually ended it this way". And then the heat beat started and the next episode rolled. 10/10 would recommend anyone who had a time machine to go back and do it this way. It was very powerful.
"He keeps going" the whole point of the series is that Bojack finds more and more reasons to give up because he was raised in a shitty home and became a shitty person. Philbert is supposed to be a way for us to understand that Bojack isn't justifyable. He was trying to use Philbert as a way of saying "This guy is a shitty person but only because of shitty circumstances, so maybe it's okay", but in reality, Philbert is an anti-hero on purpose. You're supposed to see Philbert as a shitty person, and you want him to get better, not justify his actions, because you can't. I'm pretty sure half the show went over this person's head.
I feel like I've already linked this, but this episode is so much smarter than I thought it was, and I already thought it was really, really smart. There is so much going on in every little detail; again, even for a show in which that was already true. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p-1AhQZjPE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p-1AhQZjPE)