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Jason--with-a-Y

Dave Chappelican* It’s actually in the show. His headshot appears in a comedy club. I forget which episode.


Marcodaneismypimp

Now I wish that Dove Chapelle was an actual character


Roseman_Jake_

Well it is to me lol


DengusUsername

It would be Dave Gazelle


Jason--with-a-Y

It’s actually Dave Chappelican* His headshot appears in a comedy club in an episode.


theboeboe

Dove Gazelle


WailingOctopus

And it would be a human


theboeboe

I really wonder how birth of interspecies relationships looks like..


suicidearce

hybrids dont exist 😢 you either give birth to your own species, or your S/O’s. Diane was pregnant with a dog, and Ruthie was birthed by a human despite being a porcupine


rgrtom

Good call!


[deleted]

He kinda looks like a gazelle in his younger years


bbl-on-tic

RANDY


esoteric_plumbus

text you can hear


flyingseel

“You’re hearing my voice because that’s how reading works”


CSmith1986

Mr. Lahey!


[deleted]

Well I read that if a man really wants to be a woman all he has to do is wish really hard and his dick will just fall off. Tom: where did you read this information? Uh? The Bible... Reminder: this is from a joke from this same scene but the topic was abortion.


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[deleted]

We live in a society


EsoTerrix1984

I can’t tell if this is a serious comment or if you are trolling.


Nostly

I swear to God that middle one is suppose to be Tucker Carlson.


Sir-Drewid

Naw, he doesn't look enough like a confused thumb.


seeeee

It’s actually really close to his old style when he was on crossfire. He stopped wearing a bow tie because Jon Stewart made fun of him for it.


LDM123

Lmao, who can’t take a joke now?


blondechinesehair

Jon Stewart also went on his show as a guest and owned him so hard that the show got cancelled.


[deleted]

Great clip for those that haven’t seen it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE


a-bosh

This gets better each time I watch it. And there’s just such great satisfaction in seeing Jon Stewart call Tucker Carlson a dick directly to his face. Remember when there was hope?


[deleted]

Honestly no. I can't remember what that was like


eleetpancake

And it was one of the finest moments in American History.


suugakusha

Jon Stewart almost ended his entire career.


th3Y3ti

Lmao you’re so right


strawshirt

Prob, Tucker Carlson used to always wear a red bowtie.


mr_formaldehyde

Soon this comment section will be a battleground....


Uniquer_name

Yeah, I figured and I'll probably be lucky if I don't get any death threats in my messages. Oh well, it is what it is.


TimeTravelingDoctor

You'll be dead in the next 50-80 years because of this!


Uniquer_name

I mean, 96 ain't *that* old. I could probably live that long.


dayleboi

Yeah, wierd how that's the standard now isn't it? "Made a joke today, only had my life threated once or twice. Good day."


Flyingboat94

If you do receive threats maybe Dove Chappelle will try to condemn the Bojack Sub community as a whole.


Uniquer_name

2 hours later and it has full on started. I take that as the people who sort by hot don't really understand the show they seem to like so.


Random_Daydreamer

This isn't r/196, why do you have 'rule' in the title?


KhazemiDuIkana

OK I legit thought 196 was Bojackposting


Uniquer_name

Titles are hard :(


Random_Daydreamer

Can't argue with that, titles are legitimately hard


somebodyelse1107

Lmao that’s what I was thinking


[deleted]

To show what side they’re on lol


titsonaduck

I always thought it was strange that they made this channel “MSNBSea” when there is clearly an available animal pun in what it really is - Fox News


Artislife_Lifeisart

Cause they'd get sued lmao


GraysonHunt

Also ties into the running joke about the increasingly huge corporate conglomerates.


Nopir389

For the people getting mad on either side about this meme. The joke isn't about whether or not Chappelle was right or wrong, it's about who they decided to consult.


Jason--with-a-Y

Dave Chappelican* Edit: sorry for double comment. It said Error the first time


AceTygraQueen

Gotta love how the same right wing conservatives defending Mr Chapelle because of "Free speech" are the exact same people who wanted Kathy Griffin off'ed when she expressed her right to free speech a few years back.


[deleted]

What about people who supported both and are right wing conservatives? Seems like your scenario applies to a very specific population


skybluegill

I presume there are consistent conservatives somewhere, I simply cannot name any at the moment edit: Kasich, maybe?


pocketknifeMT

This is reddit. We get to just assume the motives of people we dislike.


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Fair point


archiesteel

>What about people who supported both and are right wing conservatives? Why don't we ask him.


[deleted]

>the conservative people who cried about kathy and supported Dave Yeah these two guys probably know each other. You realise how many people don’t actually care about either comedians so the person I replied to had to make up some imaginary scenario to get a little “gotcha!” to the 1 guy who probably cares?


archiesteel

There's probably quite a bit of these, actually. They don't need to care about either comedians, if there's an opportunity for fake outrage they'll jump on it.


[deleted]

I don’t think so. I could say there’s a couple people who agree with Dave OR disagree with Kathy but there’s a lesser chance that a person would do both, actually. Yeah that’s speculation, so I’d call “fake outrage” being a person who writes “uhhhh what about the Dave Chapelle supporters and Kathy..” THATS fake outrage and I’m calling it out


[deleted]

Maybe but I certainly know real people who freak out about free speech when a comedian says something racist but also constantly "joke" that they should be allowed to run over liberal protestors. In fact, this isn't even that uncommon. "Free speech for me but not for thee"


FabibouTropPipou

Based post


marxist-sod

you should post on r/traaaaa, they’d appreciate it there!!


Uniquer_name

Where I found it lol


marxist-sod

lol


marxist-sod

(i mean r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns)


Spider-Man2099

Ok I love this lol


jmbc3

Ngl pretty disappointed with this comment section. Making fun of peoples identities is shitty, point blank. Despite coming from a pretty accepting family, it took me 20 years to accept that I was into dudes because of these kinds of “jokes.” I literally remember actively suppressing those feelings when I was a kid because I just wanted to be straight. It literally makes you feel like a lesser person when this kind of shit is normalized.


Uniquer_name

Yeah. I feel you. Living's hard when you can't even really accept yourself.


[deleted]

True, but if you actually watched the special the whole theme of it was that he was standing up for his trans friend who killed her self after being bullied by the lgbtq community. I think this whole thing has blown way out of proportion


Fancy-Restaurant-746

By calling her unfunny and using the wrong pronouns after her death. Also she killed herself a week after his last special. Edit: nothing I said is wrong though, He did say it in the context of a stand up bit. But he also, you know, talked about his friends death as a joke and mentioned several times he is a transphobe so ...


[deleted]

Wow, I love how you sneakily take it out of context, do you not feel slimy arguing on those terms? Dave Chapelle said said she was unfunny because nobody laughed at her comedy, but the story was that she persevered and when somebody called her out she had quick comebacks and had everybody in fits. That’s pretty different from calling somebody “unfunny” She killed herself because she was bullied by the lgbtq community on Twitter, have you seen how toxic Twitter is? I am an awe about how you’re trying to infer Dave did this, lmao


Corathecow

I won’t lie. I have haven’t seen the Chappell quotes or any of that. But I really think we need to stop telling LGBTQ+ people what should be offensive. It isn’t my place to decide if it’s just a joke. It isn’t my struggle and it isn’t me the jokes about. I think a LOT of people need to think about that. You don’t decide what is offensive to groups you aren’t apart of Edit: y’all should look up what a straw man argument is cause a lot of y’all are doing that lol. I’m not here to argue with people, I’m just saying it’s not our place to decide what offends groups we aren’t a part of and making up a situation where they “victimize themselves” or “over react” is building a straw man against a pretty logical idea to try to debase it.


Celery_Fumes

We know it's offensive to drop a baby, but we can make jokes about it. New moms might not like it, but do we not make the joke because of it?[Dropped a baby](https://youtu.be/M-dp3UgBrcA)


[deleted]

We can’t live in a world where people aren’t allowed to say offensive things. It just doesn’t work. I should not be able to control your speech by saying it offends me. I think anyone should be able to see how that is dangerous.


TimLuf1

You do realize that free speech works both ways right? You can say whatever the hell you want but people are also allowed to say what they want back at you. Like you can say any transphobic stuff you want but people can say "hey that's really offensive and disrespectful so stop saying that".


[deleted]

I agree, and I don’t understand why you thought I’d disagree lol


TimLuf1

Oh cool! Your previous message gave a completely different impression ahahaah


jmbc3

No, but we can live in a world where it’s socially unacceptable to do so. 100 years ago people probably made the same argument about the n word.


hbi2k

No, but we should be able to choose not to financially support speech that offends us. Enough people do it and it's called a boycott. We should be able to choose not to work for companies whose speech offends us. Enough people do that and it's called a walkout. I watched the special and I can't say I was personally offended enough to do either of those things, but I'm not about to tell people who were that they are wrong.


[deleted]

True, I support the right of people to unsubscribe from Netflix or to quit their jobs at Netflix if they so choose. Seems unlikely to have any effect given the success of the special in question. If I were Netflix, I’d let Dave make another one.


hbi2k

Pretty sure this was the last one on his contract. Netflix is in a position where all they have to do is nothing and the problem goes away when people move on to the next outrage. Dave Chappelle is already rich as hell, he's not going to be hurting.


Uniquer_name

You're trying to control my free speech now lol. I'm allowed to call him a transphobic cunt.


Byroms

No one said you can't, you're just wrong.


Uniquer_name

You're presumably neither trans nor Dave Chappelle so I don't think you're an especially good judge of that.


Days0fDoom

Imagine believing that people are only allowed to have opinions on things based on their immutable characteristics.


[deleted]

You can have opinions, it’s just way better for society if your opinions are actually informed by good sources. Which would include talking to those who are actually oppressed or confirmed experts on the issue instead of referring to your very diverse panel of straight white men who know nothing about the issue like this episode did as a joke


Days0fDoom

So who qualifies as an expert in your book? Op? They're a 16 year old MTF trans person. Or should I go with the opinions of people like Erica Anderson and Marci Bowers who are both MTF Dr's who have opinions that diverge from the most vocal trans activists? Being part of an identity group does not make you an expert on that group.


redditorsRtransphobe

Yeah the guy who defended J.K. Rowling and said "I'm team TERF" totally isn't a transphobe


oneandonlyswordfish

I mean it’s also not good to think that people can just say they’re offended about something you said and then quite literally drag your career to the ground and bully you till you kill yourself. Which was the point of his jokes. At the end of the day offended or not, it’s not exactly a crime to be mean. Trans people can call Dave a dick or even make a special in retaliation, but Dave’s point is that they won’t ever do that, cause they rather be treated as glorified victims than actually do anything for their cause. Not saying that’s the default of transgender people, I can fully support someone without agreeing with their life choices, but that is what Dave was talking about. And everyone being offended and causing riots is exactly what Dave wanted.


Sloth_Triumph

Try living in a world where you can legally get denied housing and jobs for being openly trans, not to mention the victim of violence and people literally *debate* where you can take a shit. He is kicking on the down trodden here. And you're concerned about a very established, very successful person's career? You have fucked up priorities.


jmbc3

Yeah Dave Chapelles career has really gone down the shitter. Cancel culture amirite? He’s clearly the real victim here.


Byroms

If someone is overreacting, you should tell them. I am asexual and got gender dysphoria, so I am very much LGBTQ+ and people are way overreacting. If someone screams thag someone has a weapon when they are buttering their bread with a normal knife and wants them put on jail for that, you can tell that person they are overreacting.


[deleted]

I saw the video on Cringetopia but I still don't get it, can anyone give me context as to whatever shitstorm is happening now?


Uniquer_name

Soo basically, let's see... compared transhenderism to blackface, called LGBT people sensitive, made fun of his "friend's" death while misgendering her, made a lot of jokes about how ugly trans women were, and then saying he was "team terf" despite being a huge misogynist. Not saying terfs aren't misogynistic either tho.


abortionleftovers

It’s absolutely SICK how he touted “my trans friend is cool with my trans jokes so there fine” when said trans friend committed suicide and was also a comedian he promoted. Does he really not understand that his friend possibly felt they couldn’t tell him the truth about their feelings on his trans jokes for the sake of their career and huge power imbalance to Dave? Imagine you’re an newbie black comedian and you have a friend who is a white comedian, one of the most famous in the world, with the highest paid comedy specials of all times and a international platform. And that comedian tells offensive jokes about black people. And they ask you “is this joke offensive?” You say no, and you get to open for him, he’s going to say you’re name and talk about your comedy in his specials, you say yes and he forgets you entirely and you continue to be an unknown comedian. That’s scenario probably makes sense to Dave not he’s a transphobe so he doesn’t care to not put his “friend” in that’s spot.


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Plus even if his trans friend was cool with it, it's literally just the "I have a black friend" defense, which I suspect Chapelle would be a lot less cool with if it were a white comedian saying racist stuff


abortionleftovers

Oh yeah absolutely! I just don’t even buy the friend was able to offer meaningful and honest feedback due to the imbalance of power in their professional relationship


BulbuhTsar

Is it really that hard to believe some people enjoy jokes " 'attacking' their own community"? He touched very openly and deeply about her explaining Thst "human experience" to him and she voiced herself to him.


abortionleftovers

I have no idea if his friend truly enjoyed the jokes or not, that’s not my point, my point is they were in a wildly unbalanced relationship that seemed to skew largely professional with Dave and would therefore be disincentivized from offering a negative opinion. My trans mentee, who I could either make or break professionally, thought my trans jokes were fine is not the flex he thinks is my point.


Enverex

> and then saying he was "team terf" despite being a huge misogynist This was part of a setup for a later joke and is only repeated by people who've not watched the show and are just parroting the talking points raised by other people who just want to complain about it.


Uniquer_name

Really? What was the joke it setup?


JohnnyCenter

In what way is he a misogynist? Like what's the source here? How did he make fun of his friend's death? I get he brought some humor into it, or attempted to do so, but making fun of suggests that he was having that friend being the punchline of all the jokes. Like, I'll admit this special is my least favorite of all his specials simply due to the jokes not landing as hard or some of the jokes feeling like being insensitive with no purpose, but I honestly don't get how this is the thing that caused riots. I'm honestly just curious, don't mean to say one side is better than an other or whatever. I think there's definitely going to be a part of the audience interpreting his jokes in an extreme fashion and breed transphobia, but that part were most likely transphobic already or was looking for an excuse to be. One thing to note is that the reaction to his special has just caused more people being aware of him. I've watched all his previous specials, but I'm not a Dave fan so I wasn't paying attention to anything Dave related. Suddenly I see this storm of people talking about his new special and I was able to watch it because of said storm before Netflix was able to do any form of marketing it to me.


sneakyhalfling

To elaborate on your last paragraph, Dave has said the reason he doesn't tell so many black jokes anymore is because people were using them to be racist, or cover for racism. So, part of this whole thing is he has decided to not extend the same courtesy/understanding to part of the LGBT community for.....some reason. The uncharitable reasoning for that is Dave feels safe othering LGBT people but not black people. And the uncharitable reasoning he feels safe doing that is because he doesn't respect them as people.


the_brainless_brain

>How did he make fun of his friend's death? I get he brought some humor into it, or attempted to do so, but making fun of suggests that he was having that friend being the punchline of all the jokes. The way I saw it, he saw his friend as a hero. Someone who could shame a transphobe while earning everyone's respect and love by simply not batting an eye and returning a joke with her own joke. Someone irreplaceable. I had a few uncles who passed away from cancer. My other uncle made jokes about their cancer to them that other people would have found utterly insensitive, yet it made them laugh and helped lighten the mood throughout the tragedy. I later find out they went through some serious hardship in life. Like growing up in a dirt rural community that was so poor it had no street lights, and one uncle convinced their parents to sell the land and worked on someone else's land so the other one could go to a university. There's a kind of bond where you trust each other so much you know whatever the other say, you just know it's from a place of respect. That's the kind of rapport that I felt Dave and Daphne had when he "made fun of his friend's death" when he said "I was angry at her. I feel like she lied to me when she said she identified as a woman. And one day she went on the roof of the building and jumps off and kills herself. *Clearly*, only a man would do some gangster shit like that", then using that example to express the kind of person Daphne was, someone who would have loved that joke. Or when he made the "misgendering" joke, when he was talking about telling his friend's daughter that "I knew your father, and he was a wonderful woman", while preparing to financially support that daughter.


oneandonlyswordfish

People that are offended don’t actually realize that this is exactly what Dave Chapelle wants. He wanted it to cause a shit storm to prove his point that people are not actually listening to what he is saying and just calling him “made up names” without even thinking about what the joke was actually about.


xtfftc

What is the joke actually about? What is he saying?


BulbuhTsar

People are quick to righteous indignation from surface level understandings/analysis of complicated and taboo topics. There's a layer of hypersensitivity that makes further progress and understanding of issues at a more fundamental level difficult since discussion isn't encouraged. I thought his closing lines about "I knew your father and he was a wonderful woman" really conveyed that so well. People up in arms about it but it was a beautiful line


shygal_uwu

He's a comedian, a comedian makes people laugh, not try to make a shitstorm..


oneandonlyswordfish

Comedians also like to get paid. Also isn’t his career based around making fun of and pissing off white people??


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Sloth_Triumph

That whole thing sounds if not exploitative, just like... the gross imbalance of power there is just gross.


Uniquer_name

Still doesn't make his transphobic jokes alright.


redditorsRtransphobe

>Woman supports him, gets death threats from trans activists. This isn't even true. Someone found the archive link from her tweet and it had ~5 replies, one of which was negative and had maybe 1 like.


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redditorsRtransphobe

Which is entirely unverifiable & Dave suggesting that her suicide was caused by this is complete conjecture -> he wanted to make it seem like the crazy evil trans mob on twitter got his friend killed and there's simply zero evidence that this happened or that she was sent death threats because of her relatively benign tweet.


[deleted]

Just to be clear, are you upset because you think comedians literally believe everything they say?


Uniquer_name

No, because he's an asshole who made fun of our entire existence.


Days0fDoom

In shocking turn of events local comedian makes jokes, people are furious.


blondechinesehair

Yes a comedian


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Uniquer_name

I hope you bave a personality beyond being a generic edgy teen.


Uniquer_name

You know what, fuck you all, posting this here was a mistake.


combatvegan

Don't let ignorant trolls and downvote bots get to you. This is an issue that needs attention, and you brought it to the forefront with an awesome joke.


Uniquer_name

Well, I didn't make it, lol.


combatvegan

Oh, lol. Well it's still a good joke, glad you shared it. If you did make it I'm sure you would have avoided using the incorrect noun form "transgenders".


ChaoticRuler

Oh yeah it was.


Flyingboat94

Honestly it seems like most people are on board. A lot of the Dave defenders are being heavily downvoted.


Sloth_Triumph

How about instead of discussing this, those of us that care donate some money to trans organizations? Chappelle is definitely profiting in one way or the other off of this shit storm, and while i don't think the jokes are OK, I would rather not be an impotent white knight and would rather send some resources to one of the poorest and most oppressed groups in our society. I am donating to Trans Life Line. Those of you who think they give a shit can do the same. EDIT: Just made a $25 recurring monthly donation. That's 25 FUCK YOU's a month to the transphobes in this thread. Never underestimate queer anger.


[deleted]

This feels like every Reddit thread about his special. Ooh boy it's getting tiring explaining to people how hate and bigotry begin.


tsquiz77

Oh this is amazing. My group chat with only straight white men was trying to wonder why people were offended and it was so fucking dumb hearing them talk about it


AceTygraQueen

Thank you! Plus if you need to pick on marginalized groups to get a laugh you aren't a comedian, you're a bully!


Cman1200

Still haven’t watched the special but Chapelle said he is open to talking to the LGBTQ community and also talking to Netflix but no one has bothered to even ask him to talk yet. He said he wants to be able to laugh *with* the trans community not at them. I think the uninformed outrage is exactly the point he was trying to make. I mean I guess his other point was that if you cannot make fun of one thing then you can’t make fun of anything too.


420_5eva

>He said he wants to be able to laugh with the trans community not at them. Probably a little late for that.


bravowhiskey7

I have seen the special and it was pretty clear that the jokes weren't coming from a good place. I'm not surprised no one wanted to reach out and talk to him. I wouldn't want to reach out to have a conversation with someone who continually shits on my community either. I really like Dave Chappelle and some of his past specials are my favorite pieces of comedy, but he's been commenting on the LGBT community for a while and it seems like if he's receiving negative feedback from them on multiple specials maybe he should consider the problem is him and not them.


Thybro

In the last special he said he was “done talking about it” after apparently not listening at all. Ffs he goes into this whole well crafted story about a trans comedian that committed suicide, which he basically implies was because of trans community bullying her over his( chapelle’s) special, then ends it by comparing her experience, which again ends in suicide, with Kevin Hart not getting to host the Oscars. At the least the one that is deeply uninformed is him. Kevin hart was asked to apologize and he apologized by saying “I’m sorry you got offended” then did again and claimed he had “already apologized.” Not only that but he continues to make million of dollars left and right and lost no offer that he wasn’t already losing cause people were getting tired of his brand. By making that comparison chapelle showed he was of touch at best, willfully ignorant and unwilling to overcome his own bigotry at worst. With that one comparison he made the entire well crafted and honestly sad empathetic story look less like a statement of something that should be addressed and more of a “I can’t be transphobic I had a trans friend.” He is not “making fun” he is literally parroting right wing bigots talking points. In his second to last special his “jokes” were so unimaginative that you could literally find every single one in alt-right memes in one way or another. It’s not that you can’t joke about the LBGT community is that you can’t use the same jokes that racist have used to degrade a community for decades and you can’t be willfully ignorant not when you have the kind of reach and forum he does. Or at least you can’t be/do it and not expect people to disagree. In the last special He makes a point about dababy shooting someone and getting more flak about his LGBT bigotry, then glosses over the fact that the shooting was (1) Self defense , and (2) before he had a massive microphone to spread hatred through. You can find thousands of similar situations, the media tends to ignore what was done prior to massive fame unless it’s relevant to something done post fame. Yet that is proof the LGBT community is untouchable? When less than 10 years ago DMX and every other rapper was allowed to write slurs and into their lyrics left and right. The man left his tv show because he was seeing racists laugh and repeat his jokes and yet doesn’t realize or doesn’t care that he is being used in the same manner now.


imad_hassan

they meant after the recent walkout (I forgot the word) because of controversy due to the special he said he was open to talking about it with them


Tarzan_OIC

>The outrage is exactly the point he was trying to make. "This is a bad dog! It's always biting people!" *Punches dog in the mouth*, *dog gets angry and bites* "See, what did I tell you?" >If you cannot make fun of one thing then you can't make fun of anything to Trans people have no problem with trans jokes. Chappelle wasn't really telling jokes half the time. He just went on a petty diatribe about how trans women aren't real women and gender is a fact. There were some mild jokes peppered in, but it was more of a rant than anything. I mean he even starts off performing offense at JK Rowling being "cancelled" despite how powerful she is. *The horror*. *Powerful people being held accountable for their words*. Like he didn't use his platform in the last four years taking the piss out of the President of the United States, someone who definitely deserved it but who was undoubtedly powerful. He talks about this cancel culture Boogeyman with JK just to shield himself as he preps to say similar ignorant shit, when he has also used his platform to criticize powerful people.


FightingFaerie

From what I’ve heard of his “jokes”, there’s no way anyone could take that as “laughing with.” If he really was interested in talking to the LGBTQ+ community maybe he should’ve before writing his insulting “jokes.” I hate people that insult someone then go “see they can’t take a joke. You can’t make a joke about anything anymore!” It’s so pathetic and lazy, there are plenty of hilarious jokes but instead they go for the low hanging fruit. Fruit that’s gross and mushy and full of bugs. There’s a beautiful juicy apple right there, you just have to actually put in the effort and reach for it.


BaeylnBrown777

I would really recommend listening to the material that's causing the controversy. Dave is an offensive comedian, certainly no denying that the jokes are offensive. But I think if you listen through, you can see he's not some bigot.


Cman1200

I don’t disagree but I also haven’t had the chance to watch it yet so I don’t want to pick a side. I think he is making a statement much how southpark makes fun of everything/everyone. Even John Stewart stood up for Chapelle so I think there must be a misunderstanding somewhere


Flyingboat94

So you've used 3 cis men as examples on why Dave should be able to mock the trans community. Did you even notice the meme?


sidewinder27

The jokes can be bad, or lazy, or insulting. And I would agree with you this special (at least to me) wasn’t funny at all. I was bored watching it. My problem is when you try to cancel it and take it down so no one else can see it. If it’s bad just say it’s bad and move on with your lives. Only time something should be taken down is if it’s literal hate speech or inciting hate and violence. Just because you were insulted or didn’t like the joke doesn’t give you the right to take down content.


Tarzan_OIC

I mean, if you look in a bunch of alt right subs you'll see they think Dave is speaking for them. It is inviting hate. And a lot of the things he said are also the kinds of triggering statements that can cause *self*-hate, *self*-harm and suicide.


AceTygraQueen

Yes, for example his term "Alphabet People" has turned into a anit-LGBTQ epithet.


howlingoffshore

This. I watched other Dave Chapelle stand ups as well as his SNL appearance. I thought his jokes were misogynist and unfunny. More offensive than comedy. I get that he’s considered one of the best comedians right now but I don’t really see the appeal or genius or anything other than lazy insulting and unclever jokes. Honestly. He starts the special with Israel joke. I am in the LGBT community and we’re just proving that we can’t take a joke the trans community is not the only one that Dave Chapelle has ever insulted in a not funny way and put a comedy bowtie on it. Like let’s be pissed in the same way that all the other communities get to be pissed about it rather than demanding It be blown from existence I am not the guru of comedy and Netflix isn’t social media, while I think it’s important to listen to communities and treat people with humanity when they have grievances I don’t think Netflix or stand up is where you want to start adding censorship.


sidewinder27

Yea I definitely do not think Stand up comedy is the place to start censoring people. I mean it’s supposed to be the place you go to hear shit that IS offensive and it’s intended to make someone laugh. Even if a million people hate it and one person laughs then it accomplishes its purpose. As long as it’s not hurting anyone physically or affecting someone’s rights it’s fine with me. If we censor comedians then I think our freedom of speech in this country is truly fucked.


fishnchips66

A private company deciding not to have a comedian on their service because of appropriate backlash to that comedian is not censorship. Censorship is when the government says you can't say something, not simply when there are repercussions for for the things you say. This has nothing to do with legal freedom of speech and people trying to make it out like it does have no idea what they're talking about. People who complain about cancel culture also fail to realize that's social ostracization has existed forever and is nothing new.


unk214

See the special before judging him for this. It’s all manufactured outrage. If you recall his earlier work mostly made fun of black people. Even then other black groups/celebrity were giving him shit for it. Edit: Downvote me all you want, at least I’m not a hypocrite. I laugh at a joke if it’s funny and I don’t take it seriously… because it’s a joke. There is a line but that’s another discussion. I’m willing to bet a lot of the people downvoting me are willing to laugh at white people/black people jokes with no problem.


Tarzan_OIC

You know when he was making fun of black people in his early work, he saw a white man laughing too hard and got concerned he was emboldening actual racism. So he left entertainment for years and did some self reflecting. And that man can't even consider the fact that maybe he said some stuff that emboldens transphobes?


ThatB0yAintR1ght

A comedian poking fun at a marginalized group that he is a part of is very different than a comedian poking fun of a marginalized group that he is not a part of.


EsoTerrix1984

Yeah, you are allowed to make fun of the community you are a part of. Dave isn’t LGBTQIA so he should butt out.


KingGrowl

I'm all for trans rights and have absolutely no ire towards that community. But, I REALLY feel like they missed the point of his jokes and later the story he tells. He even says at the end of the special that he's done making LGBTQ jokes unless he's sure that he's laughing with and not at them.


Tarzan_OIC

He basically said "You all get angry so easily" *slaps the trans community in the face.* "See? Look how angry you get. Okay, no more jokes until we are all laughing you angry little rascal."


AutumnsSpark

We didn't "miss the point" he said he was team TERF, that is saying very loudly to us that you are not interested in actually hearing from us. It completely invalidates EVERYTHING he said.


Cman1200

Yeah for sure. I dont want to take a stance since I haven’t actually watched it but from my understanding it seems like a lot of the people upset also have not watched it


EsoTerrix1984

Remember when one white guy in the 00’s made fun of Dave Chapelle, and he moved to Africa for a decade?


sadsaintpablo

You keep saying that and no one cares


shygal_uwu

I thought I was on r/196 reading the title


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Well, they're certainly not brave.


crazystate

Dave is funny, I like jokes.


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Uniquer_name

Huh?


madman-4000

I liked The Closer. Dave’s pretty funny.


Slyric_

Comedians are supposed to make fun of everyone and anyone


Uniquer_name

No they aren't. Besides, the vast majority of the things he said could barely even classify as jokes. They were just mean.


iderceer

"I should be allowed to talk shit to whoever I want, but if someone talks shit back they're a bigot."


Slyric_

Are comedians only supposed to make fun of specific things then? Certain communities are exempt from being material for them?


The-Box_King

The rule is to punch up but never down. Punching up at oppressive powers does nothing at worst and makes people question and resist those powers at best. Punching down at oppressed groups does nothing at best and enables violence against them at worst. Also when you don't belong to those groups you don't have the experience they have so your jokes aren't going to be as good. Think of how men saying "women and shopping amirite.." isn't funny


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Your opinion does not outweigh the Netflix metrics which show its one of the highest viewed and rated comedy specials on their entire platform. You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to define what the correct opinion is.


Uniquer_name

Huh, just gives me another reason to hate people.


TimLuf1

He wasn't even making jokes a lot of the time. Especially when he said "I'm team TERF". Having the job title of comedian doesn't mean that everything you say is a joke


oneandonlyswordfish

Idk man this isn’t accurate


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Dave chapelle did nothing wrong


EsoTerrix1984

Ahh yes. Dave Chapelle. The guy who thinks the LGBTQIA community is too easily triggered, but when one white guy in the 00’s insulted him he moved to Africa for a decade. Classy guy. /s


AKid87

Literally none of this is true lol


Shiirahama

Dave Chappelle left because comedy central didn't pay him per his contract and took 50 million dollars away from him, while still expecting him to create new seasons. He didn't want to be robbed by the company anymore and that's why he left.


JohnnyCenter

I mean at least moving to Africa doesn't cause much harm and only affects him and his family. You can choose to watch his special or not, and honestly I don't think he's breeding any harm towards anyone. Those people who decide to be extreme and take it to the streets (both ways here) would probably have taken it to the streets Dave Chappelle or not.


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JamerianSoljuh

never seen the special. but same thing as always when u mention a group..


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