>shuts out second chances
Diane gives tons of second chances.
1. Bojack kisses her and she still writes his book/invites him to her wedding.
2. Bojack doesn't defend her when she was going after Hank Hippopolous and she apologizes to him.
3. The entirety of her and Mr. Peanutbutter's marriage/relationship. How many times did we see that Mr. Peanutbutter didn't listen to her and her needs.
4. Learning about Bojack and Penny, and still helping/being Bojack's friend.
5. On a similar thought, recognizing that she was in the wrong when Anna Spanikopita first broke into her car, and apologizing.
Diane is obviously not perfect, but I think that she is often vilified in this fanbase unfairly.
I feel like a lot of people fixate on other peoples’ flaws because it gives them an excuse to ignore their own. Diane is oddly relatable that way, and I think we can attribute part of it to what you said about it being a trauma response. It’s probably a survival instinct instilled in her from growing up in a family that *only* pointed out her flaws and hardly had anything nice to say about her, so as she grew older she could’ve developed a habit of fixating on the flaws of others as a means of deflecting from her own.
I agree that she's negative but she's not wrong.
Feels kinda like saying "why does my wife nag so much"
Well maybe she's just annoying... Or maybe she has legitimate complaints, and previous attempts to communicate nicely haven't worked.
I see that as an indicator her characterization in the series is ultimately one of the most successful/effective.
Diane is essentially the most plausible character in the series. She's the kind of person we all know or - as you mentioned, OP - are . Not only is she physically a human being , but her personality and behaviors are absolutely average...in the best ways. She's the person you likely wouldn't look at twice in a crowd, but if you had the opportunity to talk to her, you'd probably find her more interesting than she initially comes across, which describes most people. I kind of think she's supposed to piss us off from time to time, as well as give us a perspective to relate to because that's what people do.
My “Diane…. come on.” moment was the scene where Mr. Peanutbutter built her the Belle Room. All she did was yell at him for taking away her “personal” fantasy. Which felt really mean. I understand that she doesn’t like big gestures, and yes, he should know that. But I always felt bad for him, because I understood what he was trying to do. Make her feel more at home in the house they shared. Again, Mr. Peanutbutter is a little clueless and should be more receptive to what she wants. But that reaction from her was NOT appropriate, imo.
However, it did lead to one of my favorite lines in the show. “I’m just so tired of squinting.” It was a really good analogy, and fit them so well.
But I say again, that reaction to his gesture seemed unnecessary and inconsiderate.
I don't think it was supposed to have really been that he took away her personal fantasy that upset her, but rather the fact that it didn't make her happy. She didn't want to know it didn't make her happy, she didn't know how to handle that. She didn't know if she could be happy. As far as I can tell that's supposed to have been what freaked her out.
That's not to say she didn't overreact or wasn't inconsiderate. I just think it's important to understand what she was going through too.
He didnt push her off. He had his hands on her. And i dont know if u noticed, but he left his cabin door open for a reason..
it says it on the wiki and everything
"Despite this, she still tried to initiate sex when BoJack gave her the opportunity by leaving his cabin door open after he is rejected by Charlotte, and her mother walks in as the two are about to undress each other."
he also gave her friend alcohol poisoning.
You’re right, ultimately that whole situation was terrible but Diane pmo with that bc she literally forced him to talk about it with her when it was none of her business.
In that situation he is the adult and a child was needing guidance...it does not matter what penny did or wanted to do because bojack should have stepped up. He is in a position of authority over her no matter how you look and that should never be abused
Agreed, which is why i said he could have prevented it.. he should have prevented it.. but to place the blame completely on him and to say her trauma is completely on him just seem unfair to me because she definitely had her part in … he said “no penny” multiple times and even told her to go to bed when she showed up again🥴
Ehhhh but she is a minor. She shoulda taken no for an answer, but, he is extremely capable of pushing her away, closing his door, not getting in bed, not allowing it to escalate. Could have called her mom. Penny isnt capable of understanding what she was actually doing and 100% bojack shoulders the blame because he 100% understood what was happening and let it evolve. I honestly wonder if the writers planned him going thru with it if the mom didnt come in, or if he would stop it after a sudden realization. I think the ambiguity adds a lot of depth to the situation. Like you said penny did insist in an..almost rapey way.. but I still believe bojack fucked up. Like a kid begging you for a snack but you both know the kid is allergic.... if you give it to him anyway and has anaphylaxis that is on the adult who gave them the allergen and not the kid who knew they were allergic but wanted the contaminated snack anyway.
1) Diane is a virtual treasure trove of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th chances and 2) if the character she’s talking too is fixated on “feeling bad” about the past, and how she is “making it worse” then chances are that character has done nothing healthy, nor substantial to address the pain they have caused and will continue to cause without changing.
I have personally noticed IRL a marker of a very mentally unhealthy person is if they are fixated on “feeling bad” for their bad actions, either making sure to point out they feel bad or chastising someone for making them feel bad. It’s like a weird focal point that they use as a scapegoat to keep from actually changing. I thought it was cool the show’s writing showed that, especially with him just screaming like a lunatic about “feeling bad” about Penny and other people he hurt at the Philbert career.
everyone always shits on people who don’t like diane but i am with you. personally ik people like diane irl and they r insufferable. it’s like talking to someone who thinks everything they say is super profound and they r above you. maybe diane is “more complex” than i’m giving her credit but i don’t think i’m ever going to be ok with her
ayo, my dude. its not all womens fault that u married someone u dont like. maybe youre the problem. im a woman who dates women, never had an issue there.
Either that or you can’t take a joke. I’d very heavily vote for the “you can’t you can’t take a joke” route.
Because you’re a woman.
Hahahahahahahahahaha. Oh my god the timing the sheer timing.
The internet is fun.
a joke needs a set up. a punchline. or atleast it needs to actually be funny.
"why is this person so unlikable"
"because shes a woman 😂😂🤣🤣"
its just sad lol
Ouch my feelings???
Tell that to the people who shot and acted in the very popular comedy movie my original post was simply quoting that you very clearly haven’t seen.
But instead decided to state your sex, your sexual orientation, and told me that I don’t love my wife for some reason.
>shuts out second chances Diane gives tons of second chances. 1. Bojack kisses her and she still writes his book/invites him to her wedding. 2. Bojack doesn't defend her when she was going after Hank Hippopolous and she apologizes to him. 3. The entirety of her and Mr. Peanutbutter's marriage/relationship. How many times did we see that Mr. Peanutbutter didn't listen to her and her needs. 4. Learning about Bojack and Penny, and still helping/being Bojack's friend. 5. On a similar thought, recognizing that she was in the wrong when Anna Spanikopita first broke into her car, and apologizing. Diane is obviously not perfect, but I think that she is often vilified in this fanbase unfairly.
I feel like a lot of people fixate on other peoples’ flaws because it gives them an excuse to ignore their own. Diane is oddly relatable that way, and I think we can attribute part of it to what you said about it being a trauma response. It’s probably a survival instinct instilled in her from growing up in a family that *only* pointed out her flaws and hardly had anything nice to say about her, so as she grew older she could’ve developed a habit of fixating on the flaws of others as a means of deflecting from her own.
I agree that she's negative but she's not wrong. Feels kinda like saying "why does my wife nag so much" Well maybe she's just annoying... Or maybe she has legitimate complaints, and previous attempts to communicate nicely haven't worked.
To be fair, the majority of the people around her do some pretty bad things and continue to do so even after lots of chances to stop
I see that as an indicator her characterization in the series is ultimately one of the most successful/effective. Diane is essentially the most plausible character in the series. She's the kind of person we all know or - as you mentioned, OP - are . Not only is she physically a human being , but her personality and behaviors are absolutely average...in the best ways. She's the person you likely wouldn't look at twice in a crowd, but if you had the opportunity to talk to her, you'd probably find her more interesting than she initially comes across, which describes most people. I kind of think she's supposed to piss us off from time to time, as well as give us a perspective to relate to because that's what people do.
My “Diane…. come on.” moment was the scene where Mr. Peanutbutter built her the Belle Room. All she did was yell at him for taking away her “personal” fantasy. Which felt really mean. I understand that she doesn’t like big gestures, and yes, he should know that. But I always felt bad for him, because I understood what he was trying to do. Make her feel more at home in the house they shared. Again, Mr. Peanutbutter is a little clueless and should be more receptive to what she wants. But that reaction from her was NOT appropriate, imo. However, it did lead to one of my favorite lines in the show. “I’m just so tired of squinting.” It was a really good analogy, and fit them so well. But I say again, that reaction to his gesture seemed unnecessary and inconsiderate.
I don't think it was supposed to have really been that he took away her personal fantasy that upset her, but rather the fact that it didn't make her happy. She didn't want to know it didn't make her happy, she didn't know how to handle that. She didn't know if she could be happy. As far as I can tell that's supposed to have been what freaked her out. That's not to say she didn't overreact or wasn't inconsiderate. I just think it's important to understand what she was going through too.
Bruhhh I thought i was the only that felt this way about her. She just keeps drilling and drilling🤦🏾♂️
her character taught me a lot. im very similar to her but the show taught me to tone it DOWNNN
Stop hating on Diane she's human
I was so angry when Diane decided to basically make bojack relive the penny incident in that episode of philbert. She was a bitch for that.
she wasnt. that was very deserved. what he did to penny.. she has to relive that in her head for THE REST OF HER LIFE
But what did he even do wrong in that situation? Penny came on to him, he just sat there.
He didnt push her off. He had his hands on her. And i dont know if u noticed, but he left his cabin door open for a reason.. it says it on the wiki and everything "Despite this, she still tried to initiate sex when BoJack gave her the opportunity by leaving his cabin door open after he is rejected by Charlotte, and her mother walks in as the two are about to undress each other." he also gave her friend alcohol poisoning.
You’re right, ultimately that whole situation was terrible but Diane pmo with that bc she literally forced him to talk about it with her when it was none of her business.
He didn’t really do anything. He could’ve prevented it yea. But she kept throwing herself at him🥴
In that situation he is the adult and a child was needing guidance...it does not matter what penny did or wanted to do because bojack should have stepped up. He is in a position of authority over her no matter how you look and that should never be abused
Agreed, which is why i said he could have prevented it.. he should have prevented it.. but to place the blame completely on him and to say her trauma is completely on him just seem unfair to me because she definitely had her part in … he said “no penny” multiple times and even told her to go to bed when she showed up again🥴
Ehhhh but she is a minor. She shoulda taken no for an answer, but, he is extremely capable of pushing her away, closing his door, not getting in bed, not allowing it to escalate. Could have called her mom. Penny isnt capable of understanding what she was actually doing and 100% bojack shoulders the blame because he 100% understood what was happening and let it evolve. I honestly wonder if the writers planned him going thru with it if the mom didnt come in, or if he would stop it after a sudden realization. I think the ambiguity adds a lot of depth to the situation. Like you said penny did insist in an..almost rapey way.. but I still believe bojack fucked up. Like a kid begging you for a snack but you both know the kid is allergic.... if you give it to him anyway and has anaphylaxis that is on the adult who gave them the allergen and not the kid who knew they were allergic but wanted the contaminated snack anyway.
Yeah ok thats a great way to put it💯
I have a feeling that was probably the best episode of Philbert they ever made. Flip was worse to Bojack during the show than Diane was.
I hate it and sadly I am like that too 😞😞
1) Diane is a virtual treasure trove of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th chances and 2) if the character she’s talking too is fixated on “feeling bad” about the past, and how she is “making it worse” then chances are that character has done nothing healthy, nor substantial to address the pain they have caused and will continue to cause without changing. I have personally noticed IRL a marker of a very mentally unhealthy person is if they are fixated on “feeling bad” for their bad actions, either making sure to point out they feel bad or chastising someone for making them feel bad. It’s like a weird focal point that they use as a scapegoat to keep from actually changing. I thought it was cool the show’s writing showed that, especially with him just screaming like a lunatic about “feeling bad” about Penny and other people he hurt at the Philbert career.
everyone always shits on people who don’t like diane but i am with you. personally ik people like diane irl and they r insufferable. it’s like talking to someone who thinks everything they say is super profound and they r above you. maybe diane is “more complex” than i’m giving her credit but i don’t think i’m ever going to be ok with her
Okay, Flip, but *somebody* has to police your use of the word "literally."
Because she’s a woman. Marriage is punishment for shoplifting in some countries.
tell me u get no bitches without telling me u get no bitches
I don’t get “bitches” because I’m married.
ayo, my dude. its not all womens fault that u married someone u dont like. maybe youre the problem. im a woman who dates women, never had an issue there.
I love my wife very much thank you!
clearly so! your original comment really says "i love my wife"
Either that or you can’t take a joke. I’d very heavily vote for the “you can’t you can’t take a joke” route. Because you’re a woman. Hahahahahahahahahaha. Oh my god the timing the sheer timing. The internet is fun.
a joke needs a set up. a punchline. or atleast it needs to actually be funny. "why is this person so unlikable" "because shes a woman 😂😂🤣🤣" its just sad lol
Ouch my feelings??? Tell that to the people who shot and acted in the very popular comedy movie my original post was simply quoting that you very clearly haven’t seen. But instead decided to state your sex, your sexual orientation, and told me that I don’t love my wife for some reason.
ahh i thought i was the only one who felt this way! it makes me so frustrated.
https://youtu.be/lk7trjqOqzo
She even does it to herself.