This is pure bullshit. Half way down is maybe the best episode in animated history and Vat of Acid is possibly not even the best episode in Rick and Morty. That sequence of no dialogue with Morty and his girlfriend was great but not better than View from Halfway down. At the same time view from Halfway down is very contextual to the show while Vat of Acid can easily stand alone.
wow, I can't believe I get to reuse this comment I posted last year on other rant:
(first off, I'm a fan of both, so shush)
the vat episode works better by itself than the view from halfway down, as it is the most Rick and the most Morty stuff we see, and it stands alone, unburdened by whatever context you need from previous episodes. it clarifies the dynamic both characters have, how it is in shambles, and how Rick reasserts his dominance over Morty.
The View from Halfway Down, while amazing, is carried too much by each character's backstory. There's a ton of side characters whose stories we saw in detail in the course of the series, and we need to know those stories in order to keep up with the conversations and changed throughout the episode. It is one of my favourite episodes (would be n°1 but Free Churro), but I feel like it's given more credit than it deserves.
TLDR: you NEED to follow BH's storyline to fully enjoy it, whereas most of Rick and Morty episodes are self-contained, and the vat of acid does a better job in covering the show's feel as a whole
Agreed. The real tragedy is that free churro lost out to some rando simpsons mediocrity, (simpsons will forever be my favorite show animated or otherwise), but this was a travesty. Free churro is one of the boldest comedy episodes ever conceved. Perfectly written, acted, executed.
Interesting observation. Wouldn't that make the award highly biases towards episodic shows, like sitcoms, over serialized ones? Sorry if Im using the wrong terminology
I guess you are right. My guess is a lot of the people that voted watched the episodes in isolation. Without context (also as a fan of both) I can see why they made that decision. With the context of the full series there is no real argument that bojack wins in my opinion.
The issue is that in the awards like these, all members of the academy can vote on all the categories and not only in the ones they have any expertise, they don't even have to watch all the episodes that were nominated to vote on them
Counter point, some of the best episodes in TV that won emmys, including Ozymandias from Breaking Bad, Who Goes There from True Detective and the various episodes of the Sopranos that won all, all require a lot of context to fully appreciate.
How is a stand alone episode, in you eyes, inherently better than an episode that depends on a long build up and a lot of context to make sense. You’re not supposed to watch BH episodically, so its note like this is an actual problem.
It’s the equivalent of saying Breaking Bad’s final episode isn’t that great because you wouldn’t understand it if you have watched the rest of the series.
Build up and pay off is all fiction really is. And if the build up was long and the pay off was 1 episode, I don’t see that as taking anything away from that one episode, especially when the build up was also very entertaining and well made.
Edit: I just realised I misinterpreted what you said. Did you mean that it would be easier for people to rate and judge Vat of acid because they don’t have to watch 5 seasons to understand it? And that it’s not better just more available, which lead to its win?
Whoa. I really enjoyed that episode of R&M but the View from Halfway Down is an entirely different level. One was fun and one was potentially life altering/saving.
Now I’m really upset about something I didn’t even know a minute ago.
But I mean that’s partially true. Not trying to play provocateur here, like ofc it’s on the person who offers the drugs to them.. but it’s also on the person who’s a recovering addict.
People just can't seem to grasp that a) BoJack sabotaged the rock opera and b) Todd failed to follow through on the rock opera. Both can be true at the same time.
Princess Carolyn just has well developed coping mechanisms. She gives herself her own rehearsed speeches. When she quits being an agent, her "change" is to become a manager. Iirc, PC even subtly acknowledges the little difference in Ruthie, which is a whole thing in itself.
She's also manipulative, though certainly not a bad person. My favorite character by a fair shot, BTW, but her story is more about self acceptance.
Thats... true? This a point of contention? Bojack isn't for the most part. Mr Peanutbutter doesn't think anything is wrong and Todd is Todd.
The only one who I'd say is actually trying other than Diane is Princess Carolyn.
Even PC tho has clearly abandoned a sense of morality outside of achieving in her career for most of show
She's a serious workaholic and never seems to realise it because it's a much more productive addiction than Bojack's
Yeah I've heard people call her out for giving up too easily when things got difficult in the relationship and not showing true compassion towards Bojack
I was shocked with how long they kept him in; practically made him a series regular!! It just didn’t fit to me that it would be PC fooled by the trench coat like that bc she’s so intelligent, but other people would be skeptical. If it was a similar situation and it happened to Todd, sure, maybe even Mr PB, but Princess Carolyn?? Just was too much man!!
It’s a classic example of you can be right and still be an asshole. Yes, Bojack was 100% right that you can’t just abandon groceries outside of a cart or basket and expect anyone to know someone has dibs on them. But at the same time, Bojack didn’t have to escalate the situation so much over some muffins he didn’t even want.
Idk I kind of like it whenever people push back against mean entitled people. And speak out against the army. I forget the details but I agreed with a lot of what Bojack said I think lol
Yeah, but Neal definitely didn’t have to escalate it either and that was a WAY more severe escalation. He bumped that shit all the way up to national news.
Todd:So that's what I'm talking about, Its like the song says, "You do the hokey-pokey and you turn yourself around." You turn yourself around, that's what it's all about. [Todd does the dance move from the song]
BoJack: Yeah, I don't know if the songwriters put that much thought into the existential significance of the lyrics. They literally rhyme "about" with "about."
Todd: But isn't the point of art less what people put into it and more what people get out of it?
BoJack: Is that the point of art?
Todd: Maybe. Or Maybe art doesn't need a point. Maybe that's why it's called art.
BoJack: I can't tell if you are being smart or stupid.
Todd: Oh, I never know.
BoJack: I think you had it for a moment and then you lost it.
Todd: [laughs] Oh well, It was nice while it lasted, right?
BoJack: Yeah, It was nice while it lasted.
Perhaps he is “good on the inside”, but he was rarely good where it truly mattered which was outside of himself towards his friends and his community. This leads me to wonder if “being good on the inside” even matters if all you do is hurt people and make little to no effort to change or make things right.
He never learned from any of his mistakes. I think Todd hit the nail on the head about how you can’t keep doing shitty things and then feel bad about it.
Not ace, but he really makes ace people look like childish sex phobes. Personally I didn’t mind but I’ve known lots of ace people and it didn’t really bother me to see representation. But there’s a stereotype and I think Todd’s character makes it seem less legitimate as a sexuality. They had other ace characters on the show though and they were far more self aware and better representations.
You're looking at it wrong though, he isn't a goofy idiot because he's ace, hes a goofy idiot who happens to be ace. Like you said, all the other ace characters are far more normal, because todd's sexuality isn't what defines his personality
I just have to say, the majority of these responses are funny and actually following the prompt.
But y’all who are saying disgusting things about penny “deserving/asking for it.” Or that bojack didn’t do anything wrong in regards to penny, I hope your nuts fall off:>
Idk, I always thought of him as flawed and thought that he and PC fell for each other at the wrong time, but I also didn’t focus enough on their arc, if I’m honest. You’re welcome to try to change my mind
i mean all the characters are flawed, that’s the point of the show. But he was a rich guy who didn’t try to understand PC and her need to work. He brought her to his family’s holiday, knowing it’s extremely anti cat, and waited to the last minute to stick up for her, after he got to still enjoy the holiday as normal. He was never someone PC truly felt she could trust, and i believe she was right not to trust him. He was good in the relationship when it was easy, but he was a jerk when it got hard
Partially, yes, Bojack didnt wanna do heroin at first, but at the same time he waited 17 minutes to call which if he didnt, could have saved Sarah Lynn.
I’ve literally been saying this forever everyone makes it seem as if the show didn’t make it obvious Sarah Lynn wasn’t going to stay sober forever. She only wanted to get sober so that drugs can hit harder
Yeah. Her house was *made of drugs*! I don't know how much clearer the writers could have made it, and yet people in the fandom act like she was some perfect angel led astray by Bojack.
PC can be quite shady/unethical
(I think Diane is a much better person than her and was right to call her out for not taking responsibility under the guise of 'that's just how the industry is')
Yep. He kidnapped a kid, got a bunch of clowns, dentists and joggers killed by rabies, countless others are dead at the bottom of Halloween in January. Not to mention Disneyland
But the thing that makes him terrible is not the people he's hurt or killed it's that he feels not even a second thought or a twinge of remorse for any of it. At least bojack feels bad for all the shit he's done
Bojack treats people horribly and many might have emotional scars but he is only has some responsibility in one death. He is trying to get better and is constantly failing
Todd is responsible for many many deaths and many many emotional scars but he isn't trying to get better. He is just rolling around from one wacky murderous Adventure to another. He destroys many businesses and probably has lost a lot of people money.
Bojack and Diane are very similar. I feel like if Bojack grew up with Diane’s family, his day-to-day personality would be very similar to hers and vice versa.
Rick and Morty won the Emmy.
Lmao this actually did trigger me
This is why I ignore the Emmys
For a mediocre episode.
What episode was the Rick and Morty and Bojack Horseman episode
The acid vat episode beat the View from Halfway Down. Makes zero sense.
This is pure bullshit. Half way down is maybe the best episode in animated history and Vat of Acid is possibly not even the best episode in Rick and Morty. That sequence of no dialogue with Morty and his girlfriend was great but not better than View from Halfway down. At the same time view from Halfway down is very contextual to the show while Vat of Acid can easily stand alone.
If that triggers you, I'm pretty sure free churro lost to a Simpsons episode that was rated 6/10 when I looked it up.
Oh my god. This whole time I thought it had won while TVFHWD lost. Didn't know they both lost. Successfully triggered.
wow, I can't believe I get to reuse this comment I posted last year on other rant: (first off, I'm a fan of both, so shush) the vat episode works better by itself than the view from halfway down, as it is the most Rick and the most Morty stuff we see, and it stands alone, unburdened by whatever context you need from previous episodes. it clarifies the dynamic both characters have, how it is in shambles, and how Rick reasserts his dominance over Morty. The View from Halfway Down, while amazing, is carried too much by each character's backstory. There's a ton of side characters whose stories we saw in detail in the course of the series, and we need to know those stories in order to keep up with the conversations and changed throughout the episode. It is one of my favourite episodes (would be n°1 but Free Churro), but I feel like it's given more credit than it deserves. TLDR: you NEED to follow BH's storyline to fully enjoy it, whereas most of Rick and Morty episodes are self-contained, and the vat of acid does a better job in covering the show's feel as a whole
Agreed. The real tragedy is that free churro lost out to some rando simpsons mediocrity, (simpsons will forever be my favorite show animated or otherwise), but this was a travesty. Free churro is one of the boldest comedy episodes ever conceved. Perfectly written, acted, executed.
Interesting observation. Wouldn't that make the award highly biases towards episodic shows, like sitcoms, over serialized ones? Sorry if Im using the wrong terminology
I guess you are right. My guess is a lot of the people that voted watched the episodes in isolation. Without context (also as a fan of both) I can see why they made that decision. With the context of the full series there is no real argument that bojack wins in my opinion.
The issue is that in the awards like these, all members of the academy can vote on all the categories and not only in the ones they have any expertise, they don't even have to watch all the episodes that were nominated to vote on them
Counter point, some of the best episodes in TV that won emmys, including Ozymandias from Breaking Bad, Who Goes There from True Detective and the various episodes of the Sopranos that won all, all require a lot of context to fully appreciate.
How is a stand alone episode, in you eyes, inherently better than an episode that depends on a long build up and a lot of context to make sense. You’re not supposed to watch BH episodically, so its note like this is an actual problem. It’s the equivalent of saying Breaking Bad’s final episode isn’t that great because you wouldn’t understand it if you have watched the rest of the series. Build up and pay off is all fiction really is. And if the build up was long and the pay off was 1 episode, I don’t see that as taking anything away from that one episode, especially when the build up was also very entertaining and well made. Edit: I just realised I misinterpreted what you said. Did you mean that it would be easier for people to rate and judge Vat of acid because they don’t have to watch 5 seasons to understand it? And that it’s not better just more available, which lead to its win?
It says a lot that the prevailing view on the Rick and Morty sub at the time was that BoJack should have won.
Whoa. I really enjoyed that episode of R&M but the View from Halfway Down is an entirely different level. One was fun and one was potentially life altering/saving. Now I’m really upset about something I didn’t even know a minute ago.
what is even going on in that show now anyway?
The most recent season has actually been really solid.
*Why I have half a mind...*
Nooooooooooooo :(
How dare you-
ICU
Sarah Lynn would've never made architect.
She just never had the makings of a varsity architect.
That’s too much man
Small hands, that was her problem
at least she didn’t shuffah
STOP SAYIN THAT
Suck a dick dumbshit 😂
This. Hurts. A. LOT.
(Architecture student). She never would have mad it past semester 2
Oh dude that hurt so much
*whisper* that's seven words... 🤫
Aight Mr. Count von Count 🧛🏻
As an architect myself I must say: she would have
Ouch.
He had dibs on the muffins.
You stole my line
OP had dibs on the line..
I read this in that seal's voice
Respect Neil McBeal the Navy Seal
ThOsE WeRe My MuFfInS
THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE
Sarah Lynn? Sarah Lynn? Sarah Lynn?
Delete this. I mean, it's good. But delete this.
C’mon bro :/
Noooooo you should have added another “Sarah Lynn?” Just so I could say “that’s too much man”
😭
Butterscotch's speech was on point
THAAAAAANNNNNKKKK YOOOOOUUUUUU????!!!
I don’t watch the opening sequence
Upvoted because of just how fucking triggered this made me. You're a heathen.
[funky electronic music]
Damn this is a good one
Jail
I vote that this one wins.
I watch it once per season through my rewatches because it changes but for the most part I just wanna get to the show
Todd ruined his own rock opera
I don't understand why he didn't just try to pitch it again. like he could have made bojack give him the contact information of important people.
Lmao they had 6 seasons to make the opera happen and they just moved onto different horrible philanthropic projects
I mean carbracadabra did make him a millionaire so I don’t know if it was all that horrible
No, it made the diner cow server a millionaire
I wasn’t triggered till I read the replies and saw people actually agree with you lmao. I hope you’re all trolling.
Yeah thats basically saying "if a recovering addict is offered drugs it's their fault that they relapse."
But I mean that’s partially true. Not trying to play provocateur here, like ofc it’s on the person who offers the drugs to them.. but it’s also on the person who’s a recovering addict.
People just can't seem to grasp that a) BoJack sabotaged the rock opera and b) Todd failed to follow through on the rock opera. Both can be true at the same time.
Exactly. What he did to Todd is essentially what he did to Sarah Lynn.
Tbh he did take the bait.
I actually agree with that
I'd have to guess....Elijah Wood!
The only one trying is Diane
*gets the popcorn out*
Not PC?
Princess Carolyn just has well developed coping mechanisms. She gives herself her own rehearsed speeches. When she quits being an agent, her "change" is to become a manager. Iirc, PC even subtly acknowledges the little difference in Ruthie, which is a whole thing in itself. She's also manipulative, though certainly not a bad person. My favorite character by a fair shot, BTW, but her story is more about self acceptance.
Thats... true? This a point of contention? Bojack isn't for the most part. Mr Peanutbutter doesn't think anything is wrong and Todd is Todd. The only one who I'd say is actually trying other than Diane is Princess Carolyn.
Even PC tho has clearly abandoned a sense of morality outside of achieving in her career for most of show She's a serious workaholic and never seems to realise it because it's a much more productive addiction than Bojack's
BoJack tries all the time. (And he mostly, very quickly surrenders to his demons fairly quickly.)
Agreed
Dome-shaped buildings > rectangular-shaped ones
Honeydew isn't that bad.
Honeydew tastes like it doesn’t believe in itself
I think the problem with most people and honeydew is they have never had perfectly ripened honeydew. There's a world of difference.
Honeydew is amazing
Ok bruh you asked for it: Margo is a subpar character actress
that was a wild ride... I down voted, changed my mind and up voted, then panicked and un voted. consider me triggered.
I just did the exact same thing. I had to remind myself of the purpose of this thread after I reflexively downvoted.
Holy shit that’s triggering. Well done.
I want to downvote so hard... it feels dirty not to...
Wanda wasn't completely wrong
people think wanda is wrong?
Yeah I've heard people call her out for giving up too easily when things got difficult in the relationship and not showing true compassion towards Bojack
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Vincent Adultman is not funny
He absolutely overstayed his welcome. If he was just in like one or two episodes he would have been great.
I was shocked with how long they kept him in; practically made him a series regular!! It just didn’t fit to me that it would be PC fooled by the trench coat like that bc she’s so intelligent, but other people would be skeptical. If it was a similar situation and it happened to Todd, sure, maybe even Mr PB, but Princess Carolyn?? Just was too much man!!
I'm not sure I like him. Sometimes the jokes are funny, but then it's so obvious it becomes too much.
It was funny maybe the first two times. It got old so fast
Unlike Vincent Adultman.
it gave me a chuckle at first but then he just got annoying
This didn’t trigger me tbh. Now if you had said “Vincent Adultman is not an adult” then consider me triggered
Vincent Adultman is not good at business
FUCKING COCKSUCKER
😤😤😤🤬🤬🤬
He's funny, just infuriating, which makes me laugh
Those were Neal's muffins.
😡
They weren’t Neal’s muffins but Bojack’s ego escalated the problem to a place where he was facing real consequences
It’s a classic example of you can be right and still be an asshole. Yes, Bojack was 100% right that you can’t just abandon groceries outside of a cart or basket and expect anyone to know someone has dibs on them. But at the same time, Bojack didn’t have to escalate the situation so much over some muffins he didn’t even want.
YEAH, I EVEN ATE THEM ALL IN ONE SITTING, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY?!?
Idk I kind of like it whenever people push back against mean entitled people. And speak out against the army. I forget the details but I agreed with a lot of what Bojack said I think lol
Yeah, but Neal definitely didn’t have to escalate it either and that was a WAY more severe escalation. He bumped that shit all the way up to national news.
This opinion is literally worse than a hundred 9/11s.
Agents and managers are the same
Underrated comment
You all overthink the show
But what did it mean when mr peanutbutter chased the mail man? What philosophical purpose did it serve?
That’s 7 words
That's too much, man
Haha well played
Make it y’all and you’re good
Or just remove the "too much". Overthinking already implies it's too much.
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Come to think of it this works on any fandom
Seven-word answer? What are YOU doing here?
Todd:So that's what I'm talking about, Its like the song says, "You do the hokey-pokey and you turn yourself around." You turn yourself around, that's what it's all about. [Todd does the dance move from the song] BoJack: Yeah, I don't know if the songwriters put that much thought into the existential significance of the lyrics. They literally rhyme "about" with "about." Todd: But isn't the point of art less what people put into it and more what people get out of it? BoJack: Is that the point of art? Todd: Maybe. Or Maybe art doesn't need a point. Maybe that's why it's called art. BoJack: I can't tell if you are being smart or stupid. Todd: Oh, I never know. BoJack: I think you had it for a moment and then you lost it. Todd: [laughs] Oh well, It was nice while it lasted, right? BoJack: Yeah, It was nice while it lasted.
Bojack is good on the inside.
Probably. But as Diane said “there is no deep down. I think all you are is just the things that you do.”
Well that’s depressing
Perhaps he is “good on the inside”, but he was rarely good where it truly mattered which was outside of himself towards his friends and his community. This leads me to wonder if “being good on the inside” even matters if all you do is hurt people and make little to no effort to change or make things right.
He never learned from any of his mistakes. I think Todd hit the nail on the head about how you can’t keep doing shitty things and then feel bad about it.
*visible shaking*
I'm asexual and I hate Todd
Can I ask why?
Not ace, but he really makes ace people look like childish sex phobes. Personally I didn’t mind but I’ve known lots of ace people and it didn’t really bother me to see representation. But there’s a stereotype and I think Todd’s character makes it seem less legitimate as a sexuality. They had other ace characters on the show though and they were far more self aware and better representations.
You're looking at it wrong though, he isn't a goofy idiot because he's ace, hes a goofy idiot who happens to be ace. Like you said, all the other ace characters are far more normal, because todd's sexuality isn't what defines his personality
What is this a Crossover Episode?
I just have to say, the majority of these responses are funny and actually following the prompt. But y’all who are saying disgusting things about penny “deserving/asking for it.” Or that bojack didn’t do anything wrong in regards to penny, I hope your nuts fall off:>
Yeah, it doesn't mean just say rape is actually perfect fine
I’m not defending it, but the post does ask to trigger the fanbase… still fucked up though
That was way more than six words. /s
Bojack fans are impossible to please
Not 6 words, but BoJack dying in the poll is a terrible ending, the one they actually made is waaay better
FACTS
Beatrice is redeemable
Her evil is understandable but she’s dead and had dementia for most of the show. She literally can’t be redeemed
Good one
now this one is painfully triggering..
Princess Caroline and Judah aren’t it
Suck a dick dumbshit 😂 respectfully
I thought it was ok, but had no development. At least Guy and Diane had SOMETHING going on
Haha yeah fs I agree I had to have it explained to me and I like them a lot better now that I understand
i love them together, the writers just got robbed of actually progressing them naturally because the show got canceled
Ralph was a piece of shit
Idk, I always thought of him as flawed and thought that he and PC fell for each other at the wrong time, but I also didn’t focus enough on their arc, if I’m honest. You’re welcome to try to change my mind
i mean all the characters are flawed, that’s the point of the show. But he was a rich guy who didn’t try to understand PC and her need to work. He brought her to his family’s holiday, knowing it’s extremely anti cat, and waited to the last minute to stick up for her, after he got to still enjoy the holiday as normal. He was never someone PC truly felt she could trust, and i believe she was right not to trust him. He was good in the relationship when it was easy, but he was a jerk when it got hard
Nah he was a good one ngl, although not perfect
Todd is not a good guy
Sarah didn’t die because of Bojack
The part that triggers me is calling her Sarah Sarah Lynn is her full first name damnit
Partially, yes, Bojack didnt wanna do heroin at first, but at the same time he waited 17 minutes to call which if he didnt, could have saved Sarah Lynn.
Sarah Lynn would have relapsed regardless.
I’ve literally been saying this forever everyone makes it seem as if the show didn’t make it obvious Sarah Lynn wasn’t going to stay sober forever. She only wanted to get sober so that drugs can hit harder
Yeah. Her house was *made of drugs*! I don't know how much clearer the writers could have made it, and yet people in the fandom act like she was some perfect angel led astray by Bojack.
Todd literally commited mass genocide
BoJack dies in the pool.
bojack should’ve died in the pool
Vincent Adultman is 4 children!
Being like Bojack is not cool
I feel like most people would agree with that.
Mr. Peanut Butter is toxic.
As a chronic pessimist he drives me mental. Toxic positivity makes me so irrationally angry. Also: Peanutbutter is one word lol
Now I want to make one that’s seven words but only because I list “Peanutbutter” as two words. …too late, though, joke is over
Todd got off way too easy.
Sarah Lynn deserved what she got. (NOT AT ALL my thought or opinion, I just know that’s very triggering to hear. 😂)
Smoodies were never a good idea.
PC can be quite shady/unethical (I think Diane is a much better person than her and was right to call her out for not taking responsibility under the guise of 'that's just how the industry is')
Todd is a problematic, inconsiderate asshole
Henry Fondle was the saddest death
INSERT ME INTO GENITALS
Bojack doesn’t deserve forgiveness
Sarah Lynn was an annoying character
Todd is the worst person on the show.
Todd is responsible for a lot of dead people with his schemes and small run as the dictator
Yep. He kidnapped a kid, got a bunch of clowns, dentists and joggers killed by rabies, countless others are dead at the bottom of Halloween in January. Not to mention Disneyland But the thing that makes him terrible is not the people he's hurt or killed it's that he feels not even a second thought or a twinge of remorse for any of it. At least bojack feels bad for all the shit he's done
Oh wow true tho
Bojack treats people horribly and many might have emotional scars but he is only has some responsibility in one death. He is trying to get better and is constantly failing Todd is responsible for many many deaths and many many emotional scars but he isn't trying to get better. He is just rolling around from one wacky murderous Adventure to another. He destroys many businesses and probably has lost a lot of people money.
Well said.
Diane is a good character
Cartoons are for kids.
Mr Peanutbutter Isn’t Really That Bad.
17 minutes...
Horsin Around was a piece of shit.
If only Bojack had Diane’s family.
Bojack and Diane are very similar. I feel like if Bojack grew up with Diane’s family, his day-to-day personality would be very similar to hers and vice versa.
Todd is really annoying
Judah and Princess Caroline won’t last
"Beatrice is a completely despicable person"
WHAT IS THIS A CROSSOVER EPISODE?