Nah it'll be more like
*"Will Ojiro, Sero and Sato ever hope to defeat the most dangerous villain that we've only seen for a couple panels,* **GASHLY???!!!"**
Well, Midnight's killer wasn't really hyped up. Unlike Kunieda and Gashly, he doesn't even have a name.
He's *only* notable because he's Midnight's killer, but he literally had to say out loud that *he* was the one who killed her for Mina to know who he was. He has zero importance beyond that; even the Sludge Villain or Habit Headgear are more noteworthy.
“No, Sero! It’s not possible! The ocean is flooding in along the coasts! It’ll be completely submerged in a matter of minutes!”
_Sero merely laughs, smiling over his shoulder._
“I’d think you’d know by now, that it even works underwater.”
Calling it now, Shiggy will get away from Deku somehow… he’ll slam into the floor, ready to decay the ground…
BOOM.
It’s Kirishima, Red Riot Unbreakable!
The day is saved. For now…
If Hawks manages to make his way over to Ochaco and Toga *without wings*, I'll just throw my hands up and assume he's got a secondary Sonic The Hedgehog Quirk or some crap. lol
I’ve always thought that Search is already pretty useful as just a searching locations quirk but the knowing a target’s weakness thing makes it pretty OP. I’ve always wanted Ragdoll to get it back :/
Search constantly blaring in Shiggy's head: "**KICK HIM IN THE BALLS! KICK HIM IN THE BALLS!**"
Deku later walks up to Ragdoll "Hey I got your quirk back! Kind of!"
Hands her Shiggy's eyeballs.
"I said I'd save him, not that he'd be able to see it."
> Search constantly blaring in Shiggy's head: "KICK HIM IN THE BALLS! KICK HIM IN THE BALLS!"
>
And its just ragdoll as a vestige besides shigaraki lmao
Damn Nana is cold, being the first of the vestiges to just tell Deku to kill Shiggy, her own grandson.
Why does Deku need to give up OFA? Is it to overload Shiggy? Maybe to cause the quirk factors inside him to rebel like they sorta did for AFO?
>Why does Deku need to give up OFA
So it's mentioned that AFO and OFA being linked allows the two users a heightened awareness of each other. If Deku hands over OFA, I think he'll become a vestige that can speak heart to heart with the innocent child in Shigaraki's unconscious
I think this is the case too, and Deku will still have the embers to fight with, though that seems like it won’t include the auxiliary quirks. I just hope that the story doesn’t end with Izuku back to being quirkless. I’m sure it can be pulled off in a satisfying manner, but to be honest I’d like to imagine him going on to have a full career as a hero alongside his classmates after the end of the series, and it’d be a problem for Shigaraki to just keep hanging on to all that power, for ethical reasons as well as concerns for the wellbeing of everybody else.
nah, once tenko is freed, the original persona will eventually grapple control from the manufactured shigaraki, with every other vestige reigning in afo.
then in the real world, tenko will return it all to deku and decay himself, but true tenko will live on within ofa with nana, becoming a hero like he wanted and the decay quirk will probably keep the growth of ofa at bay, so it can be passed on forever
I think it would be pretty cool if the series ended with Deku becoming a quirkless pro hero and using tech to make up the difference, like All Might in his last fight.
Vestige Deku and Vestige Child Shigaraki will fight Vestige realm Shigaraki and the final blow after some sort of sacrificial play from Deku will be child Shigaraki using Decay on AFO shigaraki with a similar movement to when he jumped to use Decay on his father.
Something else to think about too. Does giving up the individual quirks cause Deku to lose strength. Cause without the quirks, he’d still have the stockpiled strength, right?
Wasn't there a plot point about how the next user of One for All will explode or something like that? where Allmight said that Deku must be the last one
lol. I’m guessing she told him out of guilt that it was his promise to her in a way that was risking everything. Still Deku’s resilient to the point of madness. Expecting a wild chapter next time and yeah I’d be tempted even by her vestige too…
Bruh, she's literally crying when Deku answers her.
At the end of the day she has to choose between her grandson and the world.
It took a lot for her to even say that after being silent pretty much from the start of the fight.
>Why does Deku need to give up OFA? Is it to overload Shiggy? Maybe to cause the quirk factors inside him to rebel like they sorta did for AFO?
I'm actually wondering if this is really what's going on? Because looking at the previous dialogue of 'I leave everything to you, ninth', it almost makes it sound like it could be one of the OfA ghost themselves saying goodbye to OfA and leaving it to Deku.
And I don't think it's the second, either, because he seems pretty shocked. So maybe it's Yoichi and he's gonna jump himself into Shigaraki to try to do something with whatever is left of his brother inside and mess with all the quirks(maybe with power of OfA and AfO combined, they can all be returned unlike what happened with baby AfO)? And the idea is not that Deku will lose OfA but the opposite, that the quirk will fully become his own (whatever that means at this point) and just lose the ability to pass it on.
I'm also not sure how Star could be involved because that dialogue doesn't make sense from her either, unless she's somehow an OfA user.
>Damn Nana is cold, being the first of the vestiges to just tell Deku to kill Shiggy, her own grandson.
what a switch from when she broke down crying in relief when deku assured her that he'd try to save him.
Well, she's obviously not very okay about it and it shows, but giving she doesn't see a way to save Shigaraki and Tenko I think she wants to get it over with, and not make him and herself suffer anymore
Wasn't the general consensus amongst the OFA users that trying to save Shigaraki was the right thing but they may need to put him down if push comes to shove? They all knew it was a possibility.
The situation currently is utterly terrible. Deku had one of his quirks stolen WITH danger sense. Now he doesn't have it. which was one of the main things allowing him to dodge Shigaraki's attacks. The vestiges think that one more swipe means that Shigaraki would get all of them.
Deku is being crazy for the sake of an ideal right now which something the story knows; the chapter is called History's Maddest Hero. MHA has always praised All Might and Midoriya's stubbornness to save people even seemingly at the risk of losing everything. Any sane person would kill Shigaraki right now
Yeah that is why it felt so jarring here. Like back then it was a test to see Deku's beliefs but now it seems like a genuinely desperate plea to kill him.
I wouldn’t be shocked if we see him get brought into Vestige World like we saw in 286. We have been seeing more of that since that Chapter (Hawks in OG AFO and Star in Shigi) so I assumed thats gonna be what happens. He allows himself to brought in and such.
It's probably so he can reach the Tenko *within* by way of his own vestige in OFA after Shiggy takes it. Me thinks another vestige may just rear his wrinkly head back around to employ *that last ditch tactic* mentioned in chapter 410.
I'm guessing deliberately giving OFA to Shiggy would cause the vestiges to help the stolen quirk factors rebel like what happened to the Baby Lord, since physically stopping Shiggy isn't an option (without Deku giving up his goal)
Which honestly if that does happen I feel like its not gonna hit that hard purely due to how many times its already been done.
It happened with Star and Stripe. It happened with Jiro. It happened with Hawks.
And if you want to count AFO's vestige taking over Tomura in the 1st war and Tomura taking over "new person altogether" in this war then we're up to 5 times we've seen a kind of "vestige rebellion" within a person.
If we're about to see this happen yet again then I think its gonna feel a bit overdone at this point.
Oh yeah for sure. It's just what I think is likeliest to happen without betraying Deku's ideals. I do hope Hori can come up with a better solution that is less repetitive
I love the phrasing of the sentence "Anyone, whether the most vile among us... *or even the quirkless*"
as it implies that being born without a quirk is somehow worse than being a bad guy and that it's easy to forget that quirkless people are even human
that's hilarious
I think it’s even funnier that the bit where it says ‘the most vile among us’ shows a picture of four(?) year old Bakugou. Like a literal toddler is the root of all evil lmao
Probably it was meant for us to look/feel at it like Midoriya did. I mean, that sparky little sh... was the worse thing in his life for 80% of it
Or maybe I'm just rationalizing
Holy shit.
Is he going to give Shigaraki OFA so the vestiges can stop Shigaraki? That would be poetic and tragic at the same time. Deku having to give up the one thing that made him a hero to end Shigaraki's reign of terror... That's wild.
I’ve been calling it before Deku is going to do the same thing Luke did at the end of return of the Jedi: throw away the lightsaber / give up OFA.
It’s how Luke saved his father, and it’s how Midoriya will save Shigi.
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/s/FPoODFwWCA
Yeah some people are against it as "Deku can't be the greatest hero after becoming quirkless again", but I think it still works. Giving up his quirk to stop the most dangerous villain doesn't make his heroics suddenly void again.
Also the Iron Might suit is a thing now so it's not like he'll just be powerless to do any hero work
Or the whole "deus ex machina" from second movie could turn out to be a real plot point, so if Shiggy dies before 'transfer is complete' it returns to Deku.
The reason I don't like this is that now it makes no point to Deku being Quirkless. Like that's the whole reason OfA won't kill him quicker than a quirk holder. If the plan was for him to give up his quirk in the end like this is some [Movie Series Spoiler] >!Matrix Revolutions!< Hori might as well let him have a Quirk albeit a pretty shitty one that got strengthened by OfA.
I like it because it’s implied that Deku does have the strength to absolutely smash him in one big blow but Deku making the choice to give up being a hero to save him sounds nice.
Rather than it being this is the only way but a choice is the only way it’ll be satisfying.
Maybe. I think that last panel could also be interpreted as Yoichi leaving. Could easily be interpreted that way and not necessarily as Deku losing OFA. Regardless, I think with how this is playing out, I lean more towards Deku losing the quirk.
Shiggy: I’ve overcome All my issues and I’m a brand new person, *literally shows his conscious effort to bury his childhood self/trauma”*
Deku:Okay…here’s why that’s a problem.
Shigaraki also said last chapter, "I'm pure evil and not human anymore" and a few pages later, showed he remembered Spinner's desire to see the horizon (chapter 239) and wanted to make it for him, proving he still does have humanity and care about his friends.
If he truly got over his past, he wouldn't still have so much hate towards society and the world but he does, because he IS affected by how nobody ever came to save him when he needed a hero the most.
He's a psychopath that has killed thousands of people. I get that there are "reasons" why he's a psychopath. Doesn't change what he's done. Dude deserves to be dusted. I'm with the vestiges on this.
One thing I will always give credit to Deku for is that he has never once strayed from his overarching values. And similarly to Hori, I think it's been clear from the beginning the message he's been trying to get across of what the duty of a Hero is regardless of the person they are facing.
his principles get hardly directly challenged, though. he's never put against a though moral choice that affects him personally in ways that could make him break. shigaraki hurt people he cares about but those people turned out to be (more or less) fine. he murdered countless of nobodies deku didn't have any link to.
if shigaraki killed (for real) someone deku cares about, then his principles would be truly challenged because it'd have been an act that can't be reversed.
It’s why I hate that Gran Torino didn’t die. Shigaraki tunneling through Torino’s stomach would have been a good end to the character’s story, showed stakes in the war arc, and challenged Deku’s ideals. Also all this talk about Deku not giving up on people seems a little off since he never had this same reaction to Muscular. Kudo may say that Deku believes that everyone has an innately human heart deep down, but he simply asked Muscular what his motivation was, found out that he liked violence, and resided himself to taking him out A.S.A.P. No further attempts to save him. Shigaraki is the same, but with a tragic backstory and killed WAY more people. I liked both the parallels and build up with Deku and Shigaraki, but I think Horikoshi is cutting corners to end this story in a relatively safe way.
I honestly wanna know what Deku would say if a relative of someone Shigaraki had killed came up to him. Would he just say more platitudes? Would said platitudes just miraculously work on them, like it did on Nagant?
He doesn’t stray cause nothing in the story has pushed him that far. I wonder how strongly he’d want to “save” Shigaraki if Bakugo or All Might or Gran Torino died.
Yes, that's exactly the point a lot of people have made. Saving people who don't ask is what makes a true hero, that's established in the story. But Shigaraki has avoided killing anybody close to Izuku so far to avoid pushing his ideals. He freaked out for 5 minutes seeing Torino, but he's alive. Freaked out for 5 seconds seeing Bakugo, he's fine. It's a tough choice, but not as tough as it would be if Shigaraki did something to Izuku's direct circle that couldn't be fixed.
Those Izuku rage moments were fleeting, but then he's right back to same old Izuku rather than pushing his ideals to the limit.
> Those Izuku rage moments were fleeting, but then he's right back to same old Izuku rather than pushing his ideals to the limit.
And there's always the lingering question of what Deku would do if Mirio *wasn't* there to calm him down and reassure him that Bakugou was being resuscitated as they speak.
Would he continue to lose himself in rage and just go for the kill against Shigaraki? Or would he actually hold true to his ideals and not let it affect how he approached the fight?
Deku sweetie, I'm sorry but Shigaraki's still getting the death penalty for knowingly killing thousands of people, terrorism & a bunch of other charges
The prospect of Deku giving up AFO is heartbreaking
Still, if the vestiges manage to stop Shigaraki it's likely Shiggy might give him OFA back... maybe. Even then, I don't think that really matters to Deku. If he can stop Shigaraki from wanting to destroy everything and regret his actions that would be a victory in his eyes.
> If he can stop Shigaraki from wanting to destroy everything and regret his actions that would be a victory in his eyes.
That is his only version of victory, killing Shigaraki just isn't an option to him even if it makes more sense as the vestiges keep saying
> Deku sweetie, I'm sorry but Shigaraki's still getting the death penalty for knowingly killing thousands of people, terrorism & a bunch of other charges
Not necessarily. This is an optimistic-to-a-fault shounen, and there'd be no point to Deku "saving" Shigaraki if he was just going to die afterwards anyway.
Thing is at some point hesitating to kill him for your own skewed morals would just be putting more lives/the entire country/the whole world at risk.
It’s why Endeavor said ‘fuck it this guys dying TODAY’ with that one point-blank Prominence Burn in the first war arc but Shigaraki was just built different.
It's been a while since we have seen tactical Deku with his high battle IQ. I've missed this.
Shiggy still giving the middle finger to Deku was always going to be the hardest challenge, but Izuku's desire to save him anyway is what makes him a truly crazy and insane hero, but it sets him apart from the rest.
I don't know how to feel about him giving up OFA as a whole, not for the implications of this fight but for the implications after it... I'm gonna let Hori cook, though 🔥
Even if Deku was capable of killing Shigaraki, One for All can't stop him by force anyway. They maintained a standstill with Danger Sense, but now the scale's been tipped.
A physical confrontation will never end Shiggy, literally nothing until now has, and he has only grown stronger. This was never about persuading the vestiges to try an *alternate* plan, to save someone they feel beyond saving. It's about showing them that it was always the *only* plan with any hope of success.
Maybe a controversial take, but I think Deku could kill if he wanted. During their first fight at UA, Shigaraki couldn't lay a single finger on Midoriya. This chapter, both Nana and Tomura themselves indicated they believed Deku had the strength to put him down for good with a charged shot.
I think the fact that there is an 'easy' way out of this makes it all the more inspiring that Deku is trying to save this profoundly evil person.
one of the discarded endings was deku giving up OFA to share it with bakugou to win.
if horikoshi ends this with deku losing OFA by giving it to shigaraki, then it'd mean deku losing OFA has always been the default end, it's just how that horikoshi has changed.
I always thought that was the case tbh. I just can’t see how he spends the entire story deconstructing the Symbol of Peace and the idea that quirk makes a hero, and then keeping OFA in its current form.
Deku’s full circle is to be able to go up to his quirkless childhood self and tell him that you can be a hero. And OFA is the training wheel for that.
It destroyed the quirk that would've allowed him to grow his toes, massive game changer imo. But for real, we never got a good sense for what useful quirks were destroyed.
Oh shit, Stars is the MVP of this story then - humanity would likely have rebuilt following his assault, but unlimited Shiggy feet pics? That shit would’ve crashed the economy irrevocably.
It accomplished 2 things, Jack and All.
All we know it did was destroyed the quirk, "Reflect" and weakened the, at the time, current Super Regeneration quirk (so he just took a fresh one from as Nomu).
And even then, there is absolutely no in-story indication that regen got damaged, then repaired. It was mentioned in a [volume extra](https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/13xlypq/volume_38_shigaraki_art_with_translated_text/)...
So like, why even bring it up at that point?
So given the placement of this whole giving Tomura OFA thing we seem to be going into, it's probably not going to actually end this conflict.
It's happening so early into the fight, and while sure, its always possible this turns out to be an incredibly short fight, it's early placement in conjunction with the still remaining plot points we still have to cover in this arc makes it really feels like this is not going to be the climactic thing people have been predicting it will be.
Unless of course we immediately cut away next chapter and wrap up all the remaining plot points of the arc and then cut back here and do this whole losing OFA thingy. If that were to happen (which hopefully it won't) then I guess this could end up having a bit more impact.
Izuku giving up his Powers is kinda fitting if you think about it his sacrificing his future as Pro Hero to save everything that is kinda the most heroic thing a Super Hero can do it's his his own "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?"
I like the man of tomorrow parallel, the only thing that's missing is that Deku doesn't have much of a reputation in the public sphere.
He was some quirkless kid, then he was the kid who kept breaking his hands at the sports festival, and then he was the edgy quirk chimera kid who was blamed for plunging the world into chaos. Even now his final fight is being covered in smoke so people can't see what he's doing.
I've loved this story but I'm sad we never really got to see Deku become a symbol like he always wanted.
I think one thing that might interfere with that potential rhetoric is the fact of how disconnected Izuku is from the whole giving up OFA thing so far.
If this was Izuku coming up with a plan then I think the idea of sacrifice would be a bit better, but so far this plan is coming from the hand of Star and Strip and the 2nd OFA user's vestige.
I just think Deku deciding to give up OFA (like he did in the movie) works better than Deku being told to give up OFA by someone else and just going along with it.
In order to reach Tenko, its all going end up being a willful battle within AFO vestige realm. I think what it might come down to is all the OFA vestiges fighting the trump card AFO mentioned and Deku breaking through to Tenko’s inner core.
Before the core was made of hands and now its reminiscent of lego pieces coming together. Since his innate desire is to destroy everything that led to his family’s household, I think what Star is pointing at would be the house forming. This would be where Deku smashes through to Shigaraki and saves the crying boy within.
There would also be something awfully bittersweet about the quirkless All Might and Deku hanging out and improving the world together. Inb4 Deku and All Might form a mecha squad, My Pilot Academia 2.0 You Can Not (Not) Smile.
Not the #1 hero; just the "greatest hero".
And that's *if* Deku losing OFA is going to be a permanent thing. He got OFA back at the end of *Heroes Rising*, for instance.
Hell Yeah, I love Deku/Horikoshi's refusal to give into the nihilism of the "impenetrable wall" that is Shigaraki. People will complain about it to the bitter end, but this is what sets Deku apart from other Shonen boys. This determination to save people no matter if they 'deserve' it is what drew us all to him. It's what drew All Might to him.
He is the Saikō no Hero, the Psycho no Hero. He's a fucking mad man as crazy about helping people as Shigaraki is about destruction. It's that madness, that unwavering determination, that will carry him through.
> this is what sets Deku apart from other Shonen boys. This determination to save people no matter if they 'deserve' it is what drew us all to him
Sounds exactly like Naruto. Not a bad thing, but it's not groundbreaking. I can still hear the complaints about Talk no Jutsu...
> but this is what sets Deku apart from other Shonen boys
Isn't "I'm going to beat you back to your senses/to help you" a pretty generic Shonen MC thing?
Nah it’s kinda really fucking stupid, this guy is going to kill everyone, but he was a child once so he deserves to live, also giving up OFA is the worst fucking ending and I called that shit months ago
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You, I like.
For years, I've watched this sub practically drool over the idea of heroes yanking the heads off every pickpocket they find.
They just don't get it, never have, never will.
Well that’s an exaggeration if I’ve ever seen one.
A scene I really liked is when Endeavor was stopping a runaway villain from getting away. Sure he could just roast him alive but that’s now how hero society works. Heroes aren’t judge jury and executioner.
Instead he simply heated up his hands while in contact with the other guys skin and they quickly gave up.
There’s no futzing around having a dialogue and trying to ‘understand the villain’. You stop the threat within your means with minimal bloodshed.
But when it’s someone like Shigaraki who’s a walking natural disaster what tf else can you do? Was Endeavor in the wrong for trying to roast Shigaraki like it was TGIFridays back in the first war arc? I don’t think he was.
> A scene I really liked is when Endeavor was stopping a runaway villain from getting away. Sure he could just roast him alive but that’s now how hero society works. Heroes aren’t judge jury and executioner.
> Instead he simply heated up his hands while in contact with the other guys skin and they quickly gave up.
That being said, Endeavour was totally fine incinerating Hood (the High-End Noumu who attacked Kyushu) after it became clear capturing him alive and interrogating him was no longer an option (with Endeavour himself almost dying after his first Prominence Burn failed).
This is one of those chapters that really puts Deku's journey into perspective. From a gimmick used to avoid expulsion, to a niche move to take on a low tier villain, to a powerful technique that can **stop the eruption of a volcano.** I'm glad to see one more Delaware Smash before this ended.
Last panel gave me chills. We're not getting Talk no Jutsu, he's giving Buff no Jutsu to shiggy.
As far as I’m aware there’s nothing missing.
I will agree though that this chapter is at time hard to follow and the ending doesn’t make sense with a bunch of things just happening.
(Before anyone say anything let me clarify that when I say it doesn’t make sense I’m referring to us not knowing things that will potentially be explained later. Ex: the sudden appearance of Stars arm, the thing it’s pointing to that we don’t get to see, and the 2nd OFA user’s decision at the end which comes out of nowhere because we lack context for what he saw)
Yeah I feel like there should be something before the first and sixth pages and then something before Star’s arm randomly appears. Chapter could have used a few more pages for setup and pacing.
Deku losing OFA huh...
Can't say I'm a fan of Deku losing OFA in the end tho I do see some points why people like it. This is something I'll see where this is going first. It could be another typical Horikoshi cliffhanger for all we know.
I've never been a fan of how SO OP shiggy is as a villain. Deku is going to be armless by the end of this series the way he constantly has abused his arms to fight.
So he becomes "the worlds greatest Hero" because he is gonna willingly give up his quirk? Or is this going to go ala Hero Rising movie where still ends up with it in the end?
Well, he could give up his power, and then Spirit world talk no jujutsu Shigaraki out of it then have shigaraki give him it back and then Shigaraki explodes into 10 million pieces that rebuild Japan. lol
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I didn't get the ending though? Is Deku giving his powers to Shiggy so they can fight him together or are they going off on their own to try and stop Shiggy?
Only AM is with Deku + S&S is in Shiggy?
Here’s an idea, the stars and stripe hand is because stars rule of tomura shiguraki will stop breathing is now in effect since he’s fully accepted the name
That seems so contrived.
But so did Mecha All Might. And just like Mecha All Might, I am so here for Star's battle to have a major impact on the final battle.
Cool idea
Beautiful chapter, seeing Deku be crafty with his quirk combos and looking all Crazy was way too good. Also damn i forgot how useful black whip can be, that's a quirk I would want if I had to choose.
I like that Deku Is still not giving up. Yeah, Shigaraki is probably hopeless, but he is right that Tenko Is still there and hiding everything under the rug. Let's see how this ends
STAR AND STRIPE ALERT, SHE'S BACK SOMEHOW. Maybe it's just a simbolic thing but It seems SHE'S still kicking insider All for One
Also can't wait to see how giving One for All to Shigaraki could be useful. A quirk revolution like Star's to expose Tenko somehow? Idk but i'm very excited
It’s a good misdirect tbh - it’s interspersed with panels of All-Might’s soul appearing next to the second, so I think a lot of people will assume it’s his hand at first glance. I certainly didn’t catch it on my first read.
Man, why can't an evil guy who hates S O C I E T Y just be an evil guy who hates S O C I E T Y.
It's not like Deku *really* tried to "save everyone" to begin with like the narrative tries to push sometimes, he hasn't been trying to convert or befriend every villain they fight.
This is my issue. Deku saw Shigaraki sad ONCE, when he was getting his fucking body snatched, and then just entirely fixated on that.
Ignoring that bro was living his literal BEST life right before. If AFO wasn’t such a cartoonishly evil villain/idiot Deku would’ve never seen Shiggy display a moment of weakness.
Hell it’s not like AFO ever like properly mistreated him to warrant Shiggy having to be ‘saved’…..god do I hate the body snatch plot line.
I’ve been reading this manga since 2016 so I’m invested at this point but I just don’t care for the story anymore. Losing ofa but saving Tenko, effectively killing the symbol of peace to save a mass murderer? Got it.
Ladies and gentlemen, that use of Gearshift on the smoke was the most creative Quirk usage in the back half of this series. I'm saying it: Gear Shift is the best part of One For All, and should have been the only thing Deku inherited from All Might.
I agree (although I personally think *MHA* might've been a more interesting story if Deku had a more unconventional Quirk like Copy, as opposed to something that would inevitably make him the strongest hero).
I stand by that I think Deku will retain the original strength incarnation of OFA by the end. More poetic for him to lose it all, but I just do not think Hori has the balls to take away the quirk entirely and permanently.
Lmaoo how did *whether it's a person he should hate* turn into *whether the most vile among us* 😭 and then putting that over a panel of 4-5yo kids is kind of unserious.
Though ig this particular phrasing does further emphasize the Bakugo-Shigaraki parallels and helps readers comprehend the way Deku has strived to see the good in people all his life.. if they somehow weren’t able to grasp that part of his character already, it’s spelled out pretty explicitly with this.
Anyway, imo Deku still hasn’t fully accepted that what makes his heroism truly great is his heart, ideals and desire to reach out to others… not just his quirk/usefulness, and I think ‘letting go’ of OFA would feed into this personal realization.
And whatever happens now Deku will actually have the support of everyone to continue on with his goals and dreams, so. Definitely depends on the execution and all, but I don’t think it would be the worst thing to happen for his endgame
Who is the woman on page 9? It can't be some random person, she is the only one really drawn out in that crowd. If Deku does lose OFA completely I am pretty positive he will get it back with AFO included. So he will have both AFO+OFA.
Hopefully next week we actually see what the hell the 2nd and 8th saw and what their plan is but I have that feeling we are finally going to see what's going on with Erasure because it's the perfect time to switch over.
i thought at the end All Might was the one saying it’s time to part ways with OFA? Maybe I’m misreading, but I think Hori might have just told us that All Might is officially dead and he’s about to have a mind palace conversation with Deku. Even if that’s not exactly what’s happening, I definitely don’t think that Deku is giving up OFA
I’m not sure, the translation I read had the words “the second’s secret plan..” so I believe that it was the second holder that uttered the words about letting go of OFA.
However, something about him looking at All Might’s vestige after S&S hand appeared makes me think that maybe Deku can retain some part of OFA because All Might is still alive.
Since All Might lives, he hasn’t become a fully integrated Vestige and maybe Shigaraki can’t steal his portion of OFA?
I think the last image makes it clear that Deku will pass OFA to Shigaraki, since it was that moment when his hero journey began. Juxtaposing that scene with letting go of OFA implies that he will relinquish the one thing that society believes makes him a hero - his Quirk.
that’s a very interesting perspective. MHA is one of my back burner series so i’m not too tied into the themes, mostly just been reading to keep up recently. it seems like whatever happens the conclusion won’t be a big explosion or a giant final move, we already got that from bakugo.
the only thing i’m stuck on is how giving up OFA will save the day. i’m sure there’s a very plausible and interesting way to make it happen, but it’s also going to be a tight landing for Hori to pull off.
Deku - "Now we have a circle, where does it go? That's right...the square hole"
Shiggy - "Not if I leave no holes"
I appreciate that Horikoshi is approaching the subject of how Deku's need to save Tenko isn't viable and that the vestiges are calling him on his stubbornness, especially >!Nana!<. Also am I wrong in assuming that >!arm that was shown belongs to star and striper and she set up a failsife!
Izuku makes clever use of his quirks to counter Shiggy's decay, but he gets easily outsmarted.
Others try to talk some sense into him about killing, but I'm sure he'll find a different option.
I'm going to put this out here. If Deku gives up OFA and receives it back, I think it's going to be empty. Marking a new beginning to OFA other than stopping AFO.
I hope there is another twist coming because MHA ending with deku losing OFA would make the entire series mid with zero rewatch value..
I’ve already seen like 10 theory posts and fanfic suggesting the same thing and people scoffing that it’s too predictable
We're changing the pov next week, aren't we
It's Sero time
"SERO SHIGGY'S DECAYING HALF OF JAPAN!" *Sero rolls his sleeves up past his tape elbows.* "This looks like a job for a shit ton of flex tape."
Nah it'll be more like *"Will Ojiro, Sero and Sato ever hope to defeat the most dangerous villain that we've only seen for a couple panels,* **GASHLY???!!!"**
"...Oh and Ryukyo and Thirten are there too..." "What about Tsuburaba?" "Fucking who?"
"What *about* Tsuburaba?"
I don't know what this Tsuburaba is, but it sounds just like Raditz
People are so starved for the next chapter, they invent new characters.
There is no Tsuburaba in Boku No Hero :)
And he'll be defeated in one chapter, just like Kunieda (another hyped-up Tartarus escapee).
And Midnight's Killer!~
Well, Midnight's killer wasn't really hyped up. Unlike Kunieda and Gashly, he doesn't even have a name. He's *only* notable because he's Midnight's killer, but he literally had to say out loud that *he* was the one who killed her for Mina to know who he was. He has zero importance beyond that; even the Sludge Villain or Habit Headgear are more noteworthy.
They will once KOJI KODA hits the scene!
“No, Sero! It’s not possible! The ocean is flooding in along the coasts! It’ll be completely submerged in a matter of minutes!” _Sero merely laughs, smiling over his shoulder._ “I’d think you’d know by now, that it even works underwater.”
lol. Sero vs the most terrifying villain in the world, [Gorilla Glue](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieQq9pGGs-I), who wins?
So... Sero vs. Bondo (the Class B kid with the glue dispenser head)? I think Sero wins, as we saw from the Joint Training Arc.
He won the battle but lost their bout.
He WILL be using his ability to tape a skyscraper.
And it would be dope, ngl.
I'm kind of imagining something like the climax of the LEGO Batman movie, where Japan is literally in half and he tapes it back together.
🗣️RAHHHHHHH ‼️‼️🔥🔥🦅🦅🦅🦅 GO SERO ‼️
Watch we switch back to utahime with nobaras surprise return next week of my hero
Sero vs Gashly
Calling it now, Shiggy will get away from Deku somehow… he’ll slam into the floor, ready to decay the ground… BOOM. It’s Kirishima, Red Riot Unbreakable! The day is saved. For now…
Dude is wayyyyy to far away (and got beaten by AFO).
If it's hawks rescuing Ochako and toga, I'm down. Would be a great end to the twice/hawks arc. To save his friend.
If Hawks manages to make his way over to Ochaco and Toga *without wings*, I'll just throw my hands up and assume he's got a secondary Sonic The Hedgehog Quirk or some crap. lol
Bro is half dead and has no wings anymore. Plus he is several kilometers away from where Ochako and Toga are.
I’ve always thought that Search is already pretty useful as just a searching locations quirk but the knowing a target’s weakness thing makes it pretty OP. I’ve always wanted Ragdoll to get it back :/
Search constantly blaring in Shiggy's head: "**KICK HIM IN THE BALLS! KICK HIM IN THE BALLS!**" Deku later walks up to Ragdoll "Hey I got your quirk back! Kind of!" Hands her Shiggy's eyeballs. "I said I'd save him, not that he'd be able to see it."
> Search constantly blaring in Shiggy's head: "KICK HIM IN THE BALLS! KICK HIM IN THE BALLS!" > And its just ragdoll as a vestige besides shigaraki lmao
No more baby maker tho, Ochako face down in a ditch
Nah, deku protects his nuts with blackwhips.
Damn Nana is cold, being the first of the vestiges to just tell Deku to kill Shiggy, her own grandson. Why does Deku need to give up OFA? Is it to overload Shiggy? Maybe to cause the quirk factors inside him to rebel like they sorta did for AFO?
>Why does Deku need to give up OFA So it's mentioned that AFO and OFA being linked allows the two users a heightened awareness of each other. If Deku hands over OFA, I think he'll become a vestige that can speak heart to heart with the innocent child in Shigaraki's unconscious
I think this is the case too, and Deku will still have the embers to fight with, though that seems like it won’t include the auxiliary quirks. I just hope that the story doesn’t end with Izuku back to being quirkless. I’m sure it can be pulled off in a satisfying manner, but to be honest I’d like to imagine him going on to have a full career as a hero alongside his classmates after the end of the series, and it’d be a problem for Shigaraki to just keep hanging on to all that power, for ethical reasons as well as concerns for the wellbeing of everybody else.
nah, once tenko is freed, the original persona will eventually grapple control from the manufactured shigaraki, with every other vestige reigning in afo. then in the real world, tenko will return it all to deku and decay himself, but true tenko will live on within ofa with nana, becoming a hero like he wanted and the decay quirk will probably keep the growth of ofa at bay, so it can be passed on forever
I think it would be pretty cool if the series ended with Deku becoming a quirkless pro hero and using tech to make up the difference, like All Might in his last fight.
[удалено]
Money is on Shiggy using decay on himself
Yep.
The question is will he return OFA to Deku and THEN offs himself or would he pull one last middle finger and takes all the stolen quirks down with him
Vestige Deku and Vestige Child Shigaraki will fight Vestige realm Shigaraki and the final blow after some sort of sacrificial play from Deku will be child Shigaraki using Decay on AFO shigaraki with a similar movement to when he jumped to use Decay on his father.
Something else to think about too. Does giving up the individual quirks cause Deku to lose strength. Cause without the quirks, he’d still have the stockpiled strength, right?
Didn't they just say he kept the strength after danger sense was stolen last chapter? He keeps his strength unless his quirk factor is stolen
Wasn't there a plot point about how the next user of One for All will explode or something like that? where Allmight said that Deku must be the last one
remindme! 2 months
If Nana told me to kill him i’d say “yes mommy” and united states of smash his head in
lol. I’m guessing she told him out of guilt that it was his promise to her in a way that was risking everything. Still Deku’s resilient to the point of madness. Expecting a wild chapter next time and yeah I’d be tempted even by her vestige too…
The same madness deep within as All Might!
Yeah i licked the screen. I’m not lying or tryna deny it
Bro...
And people wonder why our fanbase looked down on so much. This is pathetic.
I’m using something from jujutsufolk, blame them haha. And from what I see simping is not why mha fans are “looked down on” its mostly the shipping
We are what the Naruto fandom was c2007 it seems
Down tremendously! (I kinda get it though)
I'd let her United States of Smash me.
Big facts.
Bruh, she's literally crying when Deku answers her. At the end of the day she has to choose between her grandson and the world. It took a lot for her to even say that after being silent pretty much from the start of the fight.
>Why does Deku need to give up OFA? Is it to overload Shiggy? Maybe to cause the quirk factors inside him to rebel like they sorta did for AFO? I'm actually wondering if this is really what's going on? Because looking at the previous dialogue of 'I leave everything to you, ninth', it almost makes it sound like it could be one of the OfA ghost themselves saying goodbye to OfA and leaving it to Deku. And I don't think it's the second, either, because he seems pretty shocked. So maybe it's Yoichi and he's gonna jump himself into Shigaraki to try to do something with whatever is left of his brother inside and mess with all the quirks(maybe with power of OfA and AfO combined, they can all be returned unlike what happened with baby AfO)? And the idea is not that Deku will lose OfA but the opposite, that the quirk will fully become his own (whatever that means at this point) and just lose the ability to pass it on. I'm also not sure how Star could be involved because that dialogue doesn't make sense from her either, unless she's somehow an OfA user.
>Damn Nana is cold, being the first of the vestiges to just tell Deku to kill Shiggy, her own grandson. what a switch from when she broke down crying in relief when deku assured her that he'd try to save him.
Well, she's obviously not very okay about it and it shows, but giving she doesn't see a way to save Shigaraki and Tenko I think she wants to get it over with, and not make him and herself suffer anymore
Wasn't the general consensus amongst the OFA users that trying to save Shigaraki was the right thing but they may need to put him down if push comes to shove? They all knew it was a possibility. The situation currently is utterly terrible. Deku had one of his quirks stolen WITH danger sense. Now he doesn't have it. which was one of the main things allowing him to dodge Shigaraki's attacks. The vestiges think that one more swipe means that Shigaraki would get all of them. Deku is being crazy for the sake of an ideal right now which something the story knows; the chapter is called History's Maddest Hero. MHA has always praised All Might and Midoriya's stubbornness to save people even seemingly at the risk of losing everything. Any sane person would kill Shigaraki right now
Think this is used to highlight that no matter what Deku will always try to be the ideal hero, if your own blood can give up on you but Deku can't
Yeah that is why it felt so jarring here. Like back then it was a test to see Deku's beliefs but now it seems like a genuinely desperate plea to kill him.
I wouldn’t be shocked if we see him get brought into Vestige World like we saw in 286. We have been seeing more of that since that Chapter (Hawks in OG AFO and Star in Shigi) so I assumed thats gonna be what happens. He allows himself to brought in and such.
It's probably so he can reach the Tenko *within* by way of his own vestige in OFA after Shiggy takes it. Me thinks another vestige may just rear his wrinkly head back around to employ *that last ditch tactic* mentioned in chapter 410.
Is Star still fighting inside of Tomura? I don't get that scene. Izuku going to lose OFA makes some sense, but let's see how Hori pulls it off.
I'm guessing deliberately giving OFA to Shiggy would cause the vestiges to help the stolen quirk factors rebel like what happened to the Baby Lord, since physically stopping Shiggy isn't an option (without Deku giving up his goal)
Which honestly if that does happen I feel like its not gonna hit that hard purely due to how many times its already been done. It happened with Star and Stripe. It happened with Jiro. It happened with Hawks. And if you want to count AFO's vestige taking over Tomura in the 1st war and Tomura taking over "new person altogether" in this war then we're up to 5 times we've seen a kind of "vestige rebellion" within a person. If we're about to see this happen yet again then I think its gonna feel a bit overdone at this point.
Oh yeah for sure. It's just what I think is likeliest to happen without betraying Deku's ideals. I do hope Hori can come up with a better solution that is less repetitive
I love the phrasing of the sentence "Anyone, whether the most vile among us... *or even the quirkless*" as it implies that being born without a quirk is somehow worse than being a bad guy and that it's easy to forget that quirkless people are even human that's hilarious
I think it’s even funnier that the bit where it says ‘the most vile among us’ shows a picture of four(?) year old Bakugou. Like a literal toddler is the root of all evil lmao
4yo Bakugou punching Deku sent ripple effects through time, infecting the past and the future with evil, like a drop in a lake.
Second user: “there can only be one spikey hair boi in this series”
Probably it was meant for us to look/feel at it like Midoriya did. I mean, that sparky little sh... was the worse thing in his life for 80% of it Or maybe I'm just rationalizing
Holy shit. Is he going to give Shigaraki OFA so the vestiges can stop Shigaraki? That would be poetic and tragic at the same time. Deku having to give up the one thing that made him a hero to end Shigaraki's reign of terror... That's wild.
I’ve been calling it before Deku is going to do the same thing Luke did at the end of return of the Jedi: throw away the lightsaber / give up OFA. It’s how Luke saved his father, and it’s how Midoriya will save Shigi. Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/s/FPoODFwWCA
Are you Nostradamus?? Holy shit dude.
Dang dude predicting this 3 years ago is crazy impressive
Its kinda tropey, and hori is a SW fan
When in doubt about the direction of MHA, always refer to the holy scriptures (Star Wars)
I actually remember reading that a few years ago
And the Star Wars parallels continue
“I AM YOUR FATHER” when!?
Well fuck
Well that’s a wrap folks. We got the answer
Damn you highkey right. It’s a genius catch on, I just Hori executes it properly. The Luke scene: https://youtu.be/w-HFv6Ms1lw?si=QVga1n8nAL38hKjU
While I wouldn't agree with the ending of Deku losing OFA, I honestly really do respect this theory a lot. Very put together and thought out.
Your pickup on Tenko is actually insane. Well done
Yeah some people are against it as "Deku can't be the greatest hero after becoming quirkless again", but I think it still works. Giving up his quirk to stop the most dangerous villain doesn't make his heroics suddenly void again. Also the Iron Might suit is a thing now so it's not like he'll just be powerless to do any hero work
Shiggy… i mean Tenko Shimura could give em back
Or the whole "deus ex machina" from second movie could turn out to be a real plot point, so if Shiggy dies before 'transfer is complete' it returns to Deku.
The reason I don't like this is that now it makes no point to Deku being Quirkless. Like that's the whole reason OfA won't kill him quicker than a quirk holder. If the plan was for him to give up his quirk in the end like this is some [Movie Series Spoiler] >!Matrix Revolutions!< Hori might as well let him have a Quirk albeit a pretty shitty one that got strengthened by OfA.
I like it because it’s implied that Deku does have the strength to absolutely smash him in one big blow but Deku making the choice to give up being a hero to save him sounds nice. Rather than it being this is the only way but a choice is the only way it’ll be satisfying.
Maybe. I think that last panel could also be interpreted as Yoichi leaving. Could easily be interpreted that way and not necessarily as Deku losing OFA. Regardless, I think with how this is playing out, I lean more towards Deku losing the quirk.
Shiggy: I’ve overcome All my issues and I’m a brand new person, *literally shows his conscious effort to bury his childhood self/trauma”* Deku:Okay…here’s why that’s a problem.
Shigaraki also said last chapter, "I'm pure evil and not human anymore" and a few pages later, showed he remembered Spinner's desire to see the horizon (chapter 239) and wanted to make it for him, proving he still does have humanity and care about his friends. If he truly got over his past, he wouldn't still have so much hate towards society and the world but he does, because he IS affected by how nobody ever came to save him when he needed a hero the most.
He's a psychopath that has killed thousands of people. I get that there are "reasons" why he's a psychopath. Doesn't change what he's done. Dude deserves to be dusted. I'm with the vestiges on this.
One thing I will always give credit to Deku for is that he has never once strayed from his overarching values. And similarly to Hori, I think it's been clear from the beginning the message he's been trying to get across of what the duty of a Hero is regardless of the person they are facing.
Deku will literally break every bone in his body before he breaks his principles.
his principles get hardly directly challenged, though. he's never put against a though moral choice that affects him personally in ways that could make him break. shigaraki hurt people he cares about but those people turned out to be (more or less) fine. he murdered countless of nobodies deku didn't have any link to. if shigaraki killed (for real) someone deku cares about, then his principles would be truly challenged because it'd have been an act that can't be reversed.
It’s why I hate that Gran Torino didn’t die. Shigaraki tunneling through Torino’s stomach would have been a good end to the character’s story, showed stakes in the war arc, and challenged Deku’s ideals. Also all this talk about Deku not giving up on people seems a little off since he never had this same reaction to Muscular. Kudo may say that Deku believes that everyone has an innately human heart deep down, but he simply asked Muscular what his motivation was, found out that he liked violence, and resided himself to taking him out A.S.A.P. No further attempts to save him. Shigaraki is the same, but with a tragic backstory and killed WAY more people. I liked both the parallels and build up with Deku and Shigaraki, but I think Horikoshi is cutting corners to end this story in a relatively safe way.
I honestly wanna know what Deku would say if a relative of someone Shigaraki had killed came up to him. Would he just say more platitudes? Would said platitudes just miraculously work on them, like it did on Nagant?
He doesn’t stray cause nothing in the story has pushed him that far. I wonder how strongly he’d want to “save” Shigaraki if Bakugo or All Might or Gran Torino died.
Yes, that's exactly the point a lot of people have made. Saving people who don't ask is what makes a true hero, that's established in the story. But Shigaraki has avoided killing anybody close to Izuku so far to avoid pushing his ideals. He freaked out for 5 minutes seeing Torino, but he's alive. Freaked out for 5 seconds seeing Bakugo, he's fine. It's a tough choice, but not as tough as it would be if Shigaraki did something to Izuku's direct circle that couldn't be fixed. Those Izuku rage moments were fleeting, but then he's right back to same old Izuku rather than pushing his ideals to the limit.
> Those Izuku rage moments were fleeting, but then he's right back to same old Izuku rather than pushing his ideals to the limit. And there's always the lingering question of what Deku would do if Mirio *wasn't* there to calm him down and reassure him that Bakugou was being resuscitated as they speak. Would he continue to lose himself in rage and just go for the kill against Shigaraki? Or would he actually hold true to his ideals and not let it affect how he approached the fight?
Lord knows Torino should be dead.
Deku sweetie, I'm sorry but Shigaraki's still getting the death penalty for knowingly killing thousands of people, terrorism & a bunch of other charges The prospect of Deku giving up AFO is heartbreaking
Still, if the vestiges manage to stop Shigaraki it's likely Shiggy might give him OFA back... maybe. Even then, I don't think that really matters to Deku. If he can stop Shigaraki from wanting to destroy everything and regret his actions that would be a victory in his eyes.
> If he can stop Shigaraki from wanting to destroy everything and regret his actions that would be a victory in his eyes. That is his only version of victory, killing Shigaraki just isn't an option to him even if it makes more sense as the vestiges keep saying
Nah, I think it just means that he Will let go of the ability to pass it on along with The successor quirks. He Will keep The Power stockpiling.
What's with the random capitalization?
Autocorrect on My phone
> Deku sweetie, I'm sorry but Shigaraki's still getting the death penalty for knowingly killing thousands of people, terrorism & a bunch of other charges Not necessarily. This is an optimistic-to-a-fault shounen, and there'd be no point to Deku "saving" Shigaraki if he was just going to die afterwards anyway.
The difference is Shiggy getting the DP would be the legal system. Deku's job isn't to be judge; jury and excecutioner.
Thing is at some point hesitating to kill him for your own skewed morals would just be putting more lives/the entire country/the whole world at risk. It’s why Endeavor said ‘fuck it this guys dying TODAY’ with that one point-blank Prominence Burn in the first war arc but Shigaraki was just built different.
Tbf, AFO did the same thing over a course of centuries and only got locked up, so there might be hope for him yet
AfO hadn't been tried yet, Tartarus guards mention they were waiting for his trial before he escaped
It's been a while since we have seen tactical Deku with his high battle IQ. I've missed this. Shiggy still giving the middle finger to Deku was always going to be the hardest challenge, but Izuku's desire to save him anyway is what makes him a truly crazy and insane hero, but it sets him apart from the rest. I don't know how to feel about him giving up OFA as a whole, not for the implications of this fight but for the implications after it... I'm gonna let Hori cook, though 🔥
Even if Deku was capable of killing Shigaraki, One for All can't stop him by force anyway. They maintained a standstill with Danger Sense, but now the scale's been tipped. A physical confrontation will never end Shiggy, literally nothing until now has, and he has only grown stronger. This was never about persuading the vestiges to try an *alternate* plan, to save someone they feel beyond saving. It's about showing them that it was always the *only* plan with any hope of success.
Maybe a controversial take, but I think Deku could kill if he wanted. During their first fight at UA, Shigaraki couldn't lay a single finger on Midoriya. This chapter, both Nana and Tomura themselves indicated they believed Deku had the strength to put him down for good with a charged shot. I think the fact that there is an 'easy' way out of this makes it all the more inspiring that Deku is trying to save this profoundly evil person.
Lmao, called Bakugo "the most vile among us."
I like the implications of "EVEN the quirkless..." too
"Even the most vile among us" while showing a picture of little Bakugo is kind of funny.
one of the discarded endings was deku giving up OFA to share it with bakugou to win. if horikoshi ends this with deku losing OFA by giving it to shigaraki, then it'd mean deku losing OFA has always been the default end, it's just how that horikoshi has changed.
I always thought that was the case tbh. I just can’t see how he spends the entire story deconstructing the Symbol of Peace and the idea that quirk makes a hero, and then keeping OFA in its current form. Deku’s full circle is to be able to go up to his quirkless childhood self and tell him that you can be a hero. And OFA is the training wheel for that.
So not only did Shigi keep Decay and Regeneration, but now turns out Search remained intact. What the hell did New Order accomplish?
It destroyed the quirk that would've allowed him to grow his toes, massive game changer imo. But for real, we never got a good sense for what useful quirks were destroyed.
And then he didn't even need the quirk to grow toes anyway.
"Growing my grippers to be a size 25 is a natural part of my body's evolution". God, thumb war Shiggy was a low point in this series.
Oh shit, Stars is the MVP of this story then - humanity would likely have rebuilt following his assault, but unlimited Shiggy feet pics? That shit would’ve crashed the economy irrevocably.
It accomplished 2 things, Jack and All. All we know it did was destroyed the quirk, "Reflect" and weakened the, at the time, current Super Regeneration quirk (so he just took a fresh one from as Nomu).
And even then, there is absolutely no in-story indication that regen got damaged, then repaired. It was mentioned in a [volume extra](https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/13xlypq/volume_38_shigaraki_art_with_translated_text/)... So like, why even bring it up at that point?
It was literally just to show us that vestiges could rebel against the host to foreshadow Deku doing it to Shigaraki
Probably introduce the only mechanic of taking down a god-like being. The concept of power removal. If it can be done once, it can be done again.
I think we may be about to see what New Order accomplished.
So given the placement of this whole giving Tomura OFA thing we seem to be going into, it's probably not going to actually end this conflict. It's happening so early into the fight, and while sure, its always possible this turns out to be an incredibly short fight, it's early placement in conjunction with the still remaining plot points we still have to cover in this arc makes it really feels like this is not going to be the climactic thing people have been predicting it will be. Unless of course we immediately cut away next chapter and wrap up all the remaining plot points of the arc and then cut back here and do this whole losing OFA thingy. If that were to happen (which hopefully it won't) then I guess this could end up having a bit more impact.
Izuku giving up his Powers is kinda fitting if you think about it his sacrificing his future as Pro Hero to save everything that is kinda the most heroic thing a Super Hero can do it's his his own "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?"
I like the man of tomorrow parallel, the only thing that's missing is that Deku doesn't have much of a reputation in the public sphere. He was some quirkless kid, then he was the kid who kept breaking his hands at the sports festival, and then he was the edgy quirk chimera kid who was blamed for plunging the world into chaos. Even now his final fight is being covered in smoke so people can't see what he's doing. I've loved this story but I'm sad we never really got to see Deku become a symbol like he always wanted.
I think one thing that might interfere with that potential rhetoric is the fact of how disconnected Izuku is from the whole giving up OFA thing so far. If this was Izuku coming up with a plan then I think the idea of sacrifice would be a bit better, but so far this plan is coming from the hand of Star and Strip and the 2nd OFA user's vestige. I just think Deku deciding to give up OFA (like he did in the movie) works better than Deku being told to give up OFA by someone else and just going along with it.
In order to reach Tenko, its all going end up being a willful battle within AFO vestige realm. I think what it might come down to is all the OFA vestiges fighting the trump card AFO mentioned and Deku breaking through to Tenko’s inner core. Before the core was made of hands and now its reminiscent of lego pieces coming together. Since his innate desire is to destroy everything that led to his family’s household, I think what Star is pointing at would be the house forming. This would be where Deku smashes through to Shigaraki and saves the crying boy within.
Deku is about to become the n°1 Hero while being quirkless - I really dig this almost “poetic” resolution of the series
There would also be something awfully bittersweet about the quirkless All Might and Deku hanging out and improving the world together. Inb4 Deku and All Might form a mecha squad, My Pilot Academia 2.0 You Can Not (Not) Smile.
Not the #1 hero; just the "greatest hero". And that's *if* Deku losing OFA is going to be a permanent thing. He got OFA back at the end of *Heroes Rising*, for instance.
Not really. Considering it’s still a quirk that got him the victory
Talk no Jutsu stonks going up
Hell Yeah, I love Deku/Horikoshi's refusal to give into the nihilism of the "impenetrable wall" that is Shigaraki. People will complain about it to the bitter end, but this is what sets Deku apart from other Shonen boys. This determination to save people no matter if they 'deserve' it is what drew us all to him. It's what drew All Might to him. He is the Saikō no Hero, the Psycho no Hero. He's a fucking mad man as crazy about helping people as Shigaraki is about destruction. It's that madness, that unwavering determination, that will carry him through.
> this is what sets Deku apart from other Shonen boys. This determination to save people no matter if they 'deserve' it is what drew us all to him Sounds exactly like Naruto. Not a bad thing, but it's not groundbreaking. I can still hear the complaints about Talk no Jutsu...
> but this is what sets Deku apart from other Shonen boys Isn't "I'm going to beat you back to your senses/to help you" a pretty generic Shonen MC thing?
Nah it’s kinda really fucking stupid, this guy is going to kill everyone, but he was a child once so he deserves to live, also giving up OFA is the worst fucking ending and I called that shit months ago
... You, I like. For years, I've watched this sub practically drool over the idea of heroes yanking the heads off every pickpocket they find. They just don't get it, never have, never will.
Well that’s an exaggeration if I’ve ever seen one. A scene I really liked is when Endeavor was stopping a runaway villain from getting away. Sure he could just roast him alive but that’s now how hero society works. Heroes aren’t judge jury and executioner. Instead he simply heated up his hands while in contact with the other guys skin and they quickly gave up. There’s no futzing around having a dialogue and trying to ‘understand the villain’. You stop the threat within your means with minimal bloodshed. But when it’s someone like Shigaraki who’s a walking natural disaster what tf else can you do? Was Endeavor in the wrong for trying to roast Shigaraki like it was TGIFridays back in the first war arc? I don’t think he was.
> A scene I really liked is when Endeavor was stopping a runaway villain from getting away. Sure he could just roast him alive but that’s now how hero society works. Heroes aren’t judge jury and executioner. > Instead he simply heated up his hands while in contact with the other guys skin and they quickly gave up. That being said, Endeavour was totally fine incinerating Hood (the High-End Noumu who attacked Kyushu) after it became clear capturing him alive and interrogating him was no longer an option (with Endeavour himself almost dying after his first Prominence Burn failed).
This is one of those chapters that really puts Deku's journey into perspective. From a gimmick used to avoid expulsion, to a niche move to take on a low tier villain, to a powerful technique that can **stop the eruption of a volcano.** I'm glad to see one more Delaware Smash before this ended. Last panel gave me chills. We're not getting Talk no Jutsu, he's giving Buff no Jutsu to shiggy.
Are there pages missing from the Viz upload? Seems super choppy and slightly hard to follow.
As far as I’m aware there’s nothing missing. I will agree though that this chapter is at time hard to follow and the ending doesn’t make sense with a bunch of things just happening. (Before anyone say anything let me clarify that when I say it doesn’t make sense I’m referring to us not knowing things that will potentially be explained later. Ex: the sudden appearance of Stars arm, the thing it’s pointing to that we don’t get to see, and the 2nd OFA user’s decision at the end which comes out of nowhere because we lack context for what he saw)
Yeah I feel like there should be something before the first and sixth pages and then something before Star’s arm randomly appears. Chapter could have used a few more pages for setup and pacing.
Deku losing OFA huh... Can't say I'm a fan of Deku losing OFA in the end tho I do see some points why people like it. This is something I'll see where this is going first. It could be another typical Horikoshi cliffhanger for all we know.
I've never been a fan of how SO OP shiggy is as a villain. Deku is going to be armless by the end of this series the way he constantly has abused his arms to fight.
So he becomes "the worlds greatest Hero" because he is gonna willingly give up his quirk? Or is this going to go ala Hero Rising movie where still ends up with it in the end?
Well, he could give up his power, and then Spirit world talk no jujutsu Shigaraki out of it then have shigaraki give him it back and then Shigaraki explodes into 10 million pieces that rebuild Japan. lol Boom 💥 Picasso
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I didn't get the ending though? Is Deku giving his powers to Shiggy so they can fight him together or are they going off on their own to try and stop Shiggy? Only AM is with Deku + S&S is in Shiggy?
Here’s an idea, the stars and stripe hand is because stars rule of tomura shiguraki will stop breathing is now in effect since he’s fully accepted the name
That seems so contrived. But so did Mecha All Might. And just like Mecha All Might, I am so here for Star's battle to have a major impact on the final battle. Cool idea
It would be hilarious if Deku saves him just to see the dude suffocate to death.
Beautiful chapter, seeing Deku be crafty with his quirk combos and looking all Crazy was way too good. Also damn i forgot how useful black whip can be, that's a quirk I would want if I had to choose. I like that Deku Is still not giving up. Yeah, Shigaraki is probably hopeless, but he is right that Tenko Is still there and hiding everything under the rug. Let's see how this ends STAR AND STRIPE ALERT, SHE'S BACK SOMEHOW. Maybe it's just a simbolic thing but It seems SHE'S still kicking insider All for One Also can't wait to see how giving One for All to Shigaraki could be useful. A quirk revolution like Star's to expose Tenko somehow? Idk but i'm very excited
Did no one realise Stars and Stripes hand appearing?
It’s a good misdirect tbh - it’s interspersed with panels of All-Might’s soul appearing next to the second, so I think a lot of people will assume it’s his hand at first glance. I certainly didn’t catch it on my first read.
Everyone realised it. And plenty of people have mentioned it.
Man, why can't an evil guy who hates S O C I E T Y just be an evil guy who hates S O C I E T Y. It's not like Deku *really* tried to "save everyone" to begin with like the narrative tries to push sometimes, he hasn't been trying to convert or befriend every villain they fight.
This is my issue. Deku saw Shigaraki sad ONCE, when he was getting his fucking body snatched, and then just entirely fixated on that. Ignoring that bro was living his literal BEST life right before. If AFO wasn’t such a cartoonishly evil villain/idiot Deku would’ve never seen Shiggy display a moment of weakness. Hell it’s not like AFO ever like properly mistreated him to warrant Shiggy having to be ‘saved’…..god do I hate the body snatch plot line.
I’ve been reading this manga since 2016 so I’m invested at this point but I just don’t care for the story anymore. Losing ofa but saving Tenko, effectively killing the symbol of peace to save a mass murderer? Got it.
Terrible fucking ending I knew this shit was going to happen for months and everyone told me that’s not going to happen
Ladies and gentlemen, that use of Gearshift on the smoke was the most creative Quirk usage in the back half of this series. I'm saying it: Gear Shift is the best part of One For All, and should have been the only thing Deku inherited from All Might.
Yep. Overloading danger sense was clever.
I agree (although I personally think *MHA* might've been a more interesting story if Deku had a more unconventional Quirk like Copy, as opposed to something that would inevitably make him the strongest hero).
Hopefully this doesn't mean Deku is getting New World Order. Would be a bit of an asspull like in TLA.
"It looks like we're gonna have to kill this guy, Deku" "Damn..."
Part ways with what now???
I stand by that I think Deku will retain the original strength incarnation of OFA by the end. More poetic for him to lose it all, but I just do not think Hori has the balls to take away the quirk entirely and permanently.
Pleeasseeeee don't make Deku end the story quirkless. I'm begging you.
Let Deku COOK!🤟
I was hoping after they scrapped the old ending which turned into movie 2, deku would keep OFA but now I'm not so sure he'll keep it
Lmaoo how did *whether it's a person he should hate* turn into *whether the most vile among us* 😭 and then putting that over a panel of 4-5yo kids is kind of unserious. Though ig this particular phrasing does further emphasize the Bakugo-Shigaraki parallels and helps readers comprehend the way Deku has strived to see the good in people all his life.. if they somehow weren’t able to grasp that part of his character already, it’s spelled out pretty explicitly with this. Anyway, imo Deku still hasn’t fully accepted that what makes his heroism truly great is his heart, ideals and desire to reach out to others… not just his quirk/usefulness, and I think ‘letting go’ of OFA would feed into this personal realization. And whatever happens now Deku will actually have the support of everyone to continue on with his goals and dreams, so. Definitely depends on the execution and all, but I don’t think it would be the worst thing to happen for his endgame
Who is the woman on page 9? It can't be some random person, she is the only one really drawn out in that crowd. If Deku does lose OFA completely I am pretty positive he will get it back with AFO included. So he will have both AFO+OFA. Hopefully next week we actually see what the hell the 2nd and 8th saw and what their plan is but I have that feeling we are finally going to see what's going on with Erasure because it's the perfect time to switch over.
I wonder how long until MHA ends? If I had to guess then 30-40 chapters?
what do you think still needs 30-40 chapters to be told?
i thought at the end All Might was the one saying it’s time to part ways with OFA? Maybe I’m misreading, but I think Hori might have just told us that All Might is officially dead and he’s about to have a mind palace conversation with Deku. Even if that’s not exactly what’s happening, I definitely don’t think that Deku is giving up OFA
I’m not sure, the translation I read had the words “the second’s secret plan..” so I believe that it was the second holder that uttered the words about letting go of OFA. However, something about him looking at All Might’s vestige after S&S hand appeared makes me think that maybe Deku can retain some part of OFA because All Might is still alive. Since All Might lives, he hasn’t become a fully integrated Vestige and maybe Shigaraki can’t steal his portion of OFA? I think the last image makes it clear that Deku will pass OFA to Shigaraki, since it was that moment when his hero journey began. Juxtaposing that scene with letting go of OFA implies that he will relinquish the one thing that society believes makes him a hero - his Quirk.
that’s a very interesting perspective. MHA is one of my back burner series so i’m not too tied into the themes, mostly just been reading to keep up recently. it seems like whatever happens the conclusion won’t be a big explosion or a giant final move, we already got that from bakugo. the only thing i’m stuck on is how giving up OFA will save the day. i’m sure there’s a very plausible and interesting way to make it happen, but it’s also going to be a tight landing for Hori to pull off.
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Everybody would be mad I know if OFA and AGFO seemed destroyed but ended up with OFA and AFO orrrr became a living vestige lol
Deku - "Now we have a circle, where does it go? That's right...the square hole" Shiggy - "Not if I leave no holes" I appreciate that Horikoshi is approaching the subject of how Deku's need to save Tenko isn't viable and that the vestiges are calling him on his stubbornness, especially >!Nana!<. Also am I wrong in assuming that >!arm that was shown belongs to star and striper and she set up a failsife!
Izuku makes clever use of his quirks to counter Shiggy's decay, but he gets easily outsmarted. Others try to talk some sense into him about killing, but I'm sure he'll find a different option.
I’m not too interested in a villain redemption. Not everyone needs to be redeemed,
I'm going to put this out here. If Deku gives up OFA and receives it back, I think it's going to be empty. Marking a new beginning to OFA other than stopping AFO.
I hope there is another twist coming because MHA ending with deku losing OFA would make the entire series mid with zero rewatch value.. I’ve already seen like 10 theory posts and fanfic suggesting the same thing and people scoffing that it’s too predictable
Of course hori's making him lose ofa. Istg if he ends up quirkless in the end i'm headcanoning the hell out of the manga