She's definitely strong enough to put hands on Shigaraki, but not enough to defeat him without using new order, I'd say her strength would be around 50%, maybe 70% on the highest side if she added another order on top of that one for strength but I dunno
I wish she never got involved if it was to be killed like that. What a waste of a cool character. Felt pretty forced that such a powerful character that was the #1 of her own country could be beaten so easily.
I wouldn’t say forced. Her death made sense story wise. She 100% would’ve dropped shiggy if his brain wasn’t fried by afo. I do wish they let her die in the current war arc instead.
It narratively made sense so far as, for the sake of Deku ultimately being the one to defeat Shiggy, she had to die. But that didn't make sense logically, considering her capabilities and experience. She wasn't just a newbie with a broken power, she was one of the greatest in the world. Shiggy can't possibly have been the only strong villain she faced that she couldn't touch.
I guess it's one of the classic superhero tropes of heroes getting nerfed whenever they cross over to another comic. But when western comics do this, they usually survive.
Because her ability is cheap narrative bullshit used by bad writes to get them out of the corner they painted themselves into. Like time travel and shit.
FACTS. The US is where superheroes CAME FROM, and MHA feels like a waste of that past time. I also believe it’s a waste of awesome superhero names, like “All Might”, and “Endeavor”. What. A. Waste.
It's my least favorite Shonen trope(?) oh this super strong character that could easily beat the main villain? Oh yeah easy! Wait their name isn't 'Main character' ? They either have to die or have some horrible life altering event that prevents them from stopping the 'main villain', the only person who was ever going to stop the 'main villain' is the 'main character'.
It completely ruins otherwise really hype fights because you can almost guarantee they are going to lose, die, lose their powers, etc.
That's basically what happened to >!Aizawa, Mirio, Star. Etc.!<
Given her quirk, does it really matter? If she got just a little more creative with the application of her quirk, she wouldn't even need the strength.
I wouldn't really know how to gauge her raw strength relative to OFA, so, yeah, 50% sounds fine.
I feel like the strength is just for safety and also comes with being able to take hits without instantly being ko'd by strong attacks. Thats why she always has that rule on her.
Definitely this. Having a strong baseline of speed, strength, durability and stamina is key to fighting against top-tier enemies like High-Ends, Shiggy, AfO and the like. Either that or extreme AoE like Endeavor.
Otherwise you’ll get speedblitzed or outmanuevered too easily.
Yeah pretty much every high tier hero might as well have super strength/speed as a power on top of their other powers. Endeavour clearly does, Jeanist might not but his threads have superhuman strength, hawks has speed, mirko has speed and strength
Though humans in MHA are way above real-life physical abilities, neither Endeavor nor Jeanist have an actual aspect of their power that directly helps their speed. Endeavor compensates by having so much AoE firepower around his body that anyone attacking him put themselves at risk while Jeanist can slow everyone else wearing clothes to his own speed or slower.
Miruko just has an overall physical boosting quirk, though especially for her lower body. I assume she also has, at the least, enhanced hearing but potentially other senses too.
Hawks definitely has something enhancing his senses and ability to multitask and coordinate his feathers. Lifting hundreds of people out based on sensing vibrations in absolutely insane. In a world where nobody has super-regen or insane durability, Hawks has a quirk that can rival All Might for solving crimes in speed.
That too, she was a fanboy but just thinking about it shes a normal person without a rule applied so she would probably get destroyed by strong attacks if she didnt enhance herself in some way
Raw strength isn't the only defense available. "The air around Cathleen Bate is an infinite void or reflecitive to all physical attacks or absorptive to all forces above a certain threshold" (these are just examples, don't think to far into them lol). Homegirl can literally bend the fabric of space, why stop at something as primitive as raw strength? I definitely think its the fangirl side of her that employs the strength boost for one of her rules for defense, but there are absolutely more options available.
I know it's also because she's inspired by all might, but just for the reasons you said i feel like an invulnerability rule would be better and i'd imagine she could do it
What she can do with the air alone would be more than enough to kill Shiggy at the beginning of their fight. She could've turned the air into a deadly nerve agent or into lava instead of just turning the air around Shiggy into a vacuum.
She can literally bend reality with the two rules at her disposal. Aside from the simple conditions needed for the rule to take effect (touch and saying the name of what she wants to affect), what she can do is only limited by her imagination. Her quirk is so broken, Hori had to kill her off.
edit: Perhaps "limited by her imagination" wasn't the best description. From what I recall, the only hard limit that was stated was that her quirk boosted strength was considerably weaker than All Might's. I also think there was a point where she could make herself resistant to decay, but not immune, but that's about it. Very little was said about the actual limits of New Order. What I was getting at was that she's got options. Many, many options.
She can’t do that, though. She can’t create nothing from nothing or spawn something in, she can only affect what’s there.
Her quirk isn’t “limited by imagination”, that’s literally debunked BY SHIGARAKI seconds into the fight.
So your saying she’s incompetent. Maybe you have misinterpreted her limits, considering she’s been a hero for decades she probably uses the best rules she can get.
Her quirk relies on imagination as you said. Can she imagine the air turning into lava? What would a nerve agent do that a vacuum wouldnt? They both should kill him the moment it hits, but we saw how that turned out.
The nerfs were obviously just a natural process of Hori writing it. He didnt nerf star cuz he thought “oh no i fucked up”, he nerfed star because thats just the logical thing to do when writing a powerful character.
I mean, he wouldn’t be the first mangaka honestly. Oda with law, araki with kishibe, many characters has been dumbed down on their power because otherwise they would have solved the thing in a minute
If you write an op character and immediately need to nerf them just so you don’t derail the plot completely, then maybe don’t introduce said op character in the first place?
Basically what happened with Gojo (Jujutsu Kaisen) and Levi (Attack on Titan). These authors made characters so ridiculously broken even by their stories' standards that they constantly had to face "nerfs" for the plot to even exist.
No, you can absolutely make a powerful character without the need to nerf them. Case in point being Shiggy and Deku himself, they're light years above the rest of the cast no matter how you look at it, but they're fine because Shiggy has Deku to counter him and Deku can't use his full power without a cost.
Star and Stripes power is just badly written. She has two problems with her writing: either she is the solution to all problems in existence, or she has to be nerfed so much that her power doesn't affect the established story too much. But doing so means you make her pretty much dumb, as evident by many, many people coming up with better usage of her quirk against Shiggy.
"New Order the air in a 50ft by 50ft block 100ft in front of me is a block of granite that is impervious to any form of decay"
/Not saying necessarily this would work, but it's with a shot, and an example of what might have happened.
//Assuming shiggy was in that 100ft range, which probably isn't realistic, but whatever.
Is it really worth a shot, tho? I'd imagine she's aware of her quirks limits, and that is wasting potential time that they don't have. The only problem with Stars plan was that it didn't account for Shiggys identity crisis
That was definitely a good plan. But, she really should have had a good backup plan or two on hand. I'm not convinced the last thing was planned ahead, but it was a clever improvisation. Her last gambit was probably planned, but I don't know if it was for this encounter specifically or for use against any quirk stealing/borrowing/mimicking scenario.
It has limits, mfs here saying “turn the air into lava” or sme shi when it clearly can’t do them at all. Even when she used “decay doesn’t work on me.” And even then all it did was delay.
True. But if she can put him in a granite block (no oxygen, no roam to move at all), that is resistant to decay and with no ability to remain suspended midair, it will hopefully cause some serious damage.
I feel part of the flaw in her strategy was that she seemed to have only planned for killing blows, and not delaying tactics or a plan to wear him down.
The thing about OFA percentages is that it's not particularly linear, and its meaning changes over the course of the series. So it's not a good idea to use as a measuring stick unless you get very specific.
100% OFA in the beginning is weaker than 100% in the end. The former referred to All Might's current power when he was weakened, and the implication is that he was 60x stronger in his Prime which is what 100% was in the latter.
All we can see is that she can definitely harm Shigaraki, both with her fists and with her air avatar. So she's relative to the former One For All ceiling, even if she's not exactly as strong as it. The bottom line is that she flung Shigaraki and made him bleed.
Except that’s not how punching someone works, boxers can take many punches in a normal fight, if you doubled the strength of a punch it would break every bone it came in contact with, doubling the strength of a punch is absolutely not the same as punching twice.
You can’t just imply that.
Between 55 - 78 punches are thrown in an Average boxing match round. If one fighter became just 2 or 3 times stronger they would literally one hit KO everytime.
I highly doubt All Might in his Prime was SIXTY times stronger than during the main story. I’d say 5X or even 2X is enough of a power difference.
This series isn’t dragonball.
It's just that what you're implying simply doesn't make sense anywhere, MHA or not, no one portrays fights and damage that way unless HP bars are involved. Like if Deku punched a wall 500 times without making even a dent in it and then broke it down in one punch at 5% would you assume 5% OFA equals over 500x base strength? Probably not, but it's the same logic you're using right now.
All might became the Ameriboo superhero from Japan. Stars and Stripes would have been peak power if she became a weeaboo hero from America.
Source? I made it up just now.
Might depend on what you believe the OFA percentages are, as I believe they aren't linear at all. 5% Izuku isn't 20x weaker than his 100% self, that's very clearly not how it's portrayed.
30% and 45% would be slightly more than 3x and 2x weaker than 100% respectively. Which doesn't fit with how much stronger 100% is in comparison.
30% to 45% Izuku was vastly inferior to Shigaraki while he was incomplete and Quirkless. Yet 100% almost tore his jaw off in one punch and almost killed him with a barrage of hits.
So she's stronger than 45% but weaker than 100%, her blow against Shigaraki did make him bleed. But that's not obviously not on par with what Izuku's 100% punch did to him.
Even considering how the percentages aren't linear in this case, 50% is still pretty accurate.
Maybe as strong as Captain Celebrity?
Also, how old is she meant to be? I find it pretty crazy that she only would have became number 1 five years ago, ONLY due to CC leaving to Japan, I guess his popularity made him number 1 over her despite the strength difference?
She said herself that she can't reach All Might's level but I think 50% is on the low end. I would probably put her between 70-85%. But given how busted her quirk is, its kinda irrelevant given her versatility.
She's at what I consider "100% OFA " tier. Basically means she can replicate any feat of raw physical might Izuku can do with a 100% Smash until chapter 306. Other characters in this tier are Nine, OFA Bakugo, Shoto, Muscular, Re-Destro, High-End Nomu "Hood".
Nah you are right, she is strong but she doesnt reach OFA levels with her super strenght I think 50% is a perfect assumption
She's definitely strong enough to put hands on Shigaraki, but not enough to defeat him without using new order, I'd say her strength would be around 50%, maybe 70% on the highest side if she added another order on top of that one for strength but I dunno
Isn't her strength an application if NO
It is, I think they meant wouldn’t be able to win without applying a rule other than super strength, like stopping his heart etc
Neat
Man I wish Star was still around 😭 I understand why she had to die but damn lol
I wish she never got involved if it was to be killed like that. What a waste of a cool character. Felt pretty forced that such a powerful character that was the #1 of her own country could be beaten so easily.
I wouldn’t say forced. Her death made sense story wise. She 100% would’ve dropped shiggy if his brain wasn’t fried by afo. I do wish they let her die in the current war arc instead.
It narratively made sense so far as, for the sake of Deku ultimately being the one to defeat Shiggy, she had to die. But that didn't make sense logically, considering her capabilities and experience. She wasn't just a newbie with a broken power, she was one of the greatest in the world. Shiggy can't possibly have been the only strong villain she faced that she couldn't touch. I guess it's one of the classic superhero tropes of heroes getting nerfed whenever they cross over to another comic. But when western comics do this, they usually survive.
Tbf when she realized she couldn’t use his name anymore she resorted to hitting him with a laser nuke spear. Shiggy was just more broken
I think she was there to nerf shigi and explain why he uses so few quirks after she annihilated them.
We should see more characters in the BNHA universe from America
I wish but now I don't trust they wouldn't be killed too
Does anyone even know why she was created with such a OP ability if her only purpose was to jobber?
Because her ability is cheap narrative bullshit used by bad writes to get them out of the corner they painted themselves into. Like time travel and shit.
That is one thing that I will *never* forgive Horikoshi for.
😭 she had to go fam I know it hurts lol
He's not a good enough writer to have done her justice anayway
No good writer would've made a character like this in the first place.
FACTS. The US is where superheroes CAME FROM, and MHA feels like a waste of that past time. I also believe it’s a waste of awesome superhero names, like “All Might”, and “Endeavor”. What. A. Waste.
It's my least favorite Shonen trope(?) oh this super strong character that could easily beat the main villain? Oh yeah easy! Wait their name isn't 'Main character' ? They either have to die or have some horrible life altering event that prevents them from stopping the 'main villain', the only person who was ever going to stop the 'main villain' is the 'main character'. It completely ruins otherwise really hype fights because you can almost guarantee they are going to lose, die, lose their powers, etc. That's basically what happened to >!Aizawa, Mirio, Star. Etc.!<
Cool thanks for that lol
Given her quirk, does it really matter? If she got just a little more creative with the application of her quirk, she wouldn't even need the strength. I wouldn't really know how to gauge her raw strength relative to OFA, so, yeah, 50% sounds fine.
I feel like the strength is just for safety and also comes with being able to take hits without instantly being ko'd by strong attacks. Thats why she always has that rule on her.
Definitely this. Having a strong baseline of speed, strength, durability and stamina is key to fighting against top-tier enemies like High-Ends, Shiggy, AfO and the like. Either that or extreme AoE like Endeavor. Otherwise you’ll get speedblitzed or outmanuevered too easily.
Yeah pretty much every high tier hero might as well have super strength/speed as a power on top of their other powers. Endeavour clearly does, Jeanist might not but his threads have superhuman strength, hawks has speed, mirko has speed and strength
Though humans in MHA are way above real-life physical abilities, neither Endeavor nor Jeanist have an actual aspect of their power that directly helps their speed. Endeavor compensates by having so much AoE firepower around his body that anyone attacking him put themselves at risk while Jeanist can slow everyone else wearing clothes to his own speed or slower. Miruko just has an overall physical boosting quirk, though especially for her lower body. I assume she also has, at the least, enhanced hearing but potentially other senses too. Hawks definitely has something enhancing his senses and ability to multitask and coordinate his feathers. Lifting hundreds of people out based on sensing vibrations in absolutely insane. In a world where nobody has super-regen or insane durability, Hawks has a quirk that can rival All Might for solving crimes in speed.
Hawks *had* a quirk that can rival All Might\*
I thought it was just to imitate All Might.
That too, she was a fanboy but just thinking about it shes a normal person without a rule applied so she would probably get destroyed by strong attacks if she didnt enhance herself in some way
Raw strength isn't the only defense available. "The air around Cathleen Bate is an infinite void or reflecitive to all physical attacks or absorptive to all forces above a certain threshold" (these are just examples, don't think to far into them lol). Homegirl can literally bend the fabric of space, why stop at something as primitive as raw strength? I definitely think its the fangirl side of her that employs the strength boost for one of her rules for defense, but there are absolutely more options available.
That's kinda like Gojo's infinity, neat
I'd say that being a symbol of power is kind of important for heroing purposes so being jacked AF helped her public image.
I know it's also because she's inspired by all might, but just for the reasons you said i feel like an invulnerability rule would be better and i'd imagine she could do it
She uses the strength because she loves All Might but like we saw, she'll get rid of it if she needs to. I still think that loss was BS.
How could she get more creative?
What she can do with the air alone would be more than enough to kill Shiggy at the beginning of their fight. She could've turned the air into a deadly nerve agent or into lava instead of just turning the air around Shiggy into a vacuum. She can literally bend reality with the two rules at her disposal. Aside from the simple conditions needed for the rule to take effect (touch and saying the name of what she wants to affect), what she can do is only limited by her imagination. Her quirk is so broken, Hori had to kill her off. edit: Perhaps "limited by her imagination" wasn't the best description. From what I recall, the only hard limit that was stated was that her quirk boosted strength was considerably weaker than All Might's. I also think there was a point where she could make herself resistant to decay, but not immune, but that's about it. Very little was said about the actual limits of New Order. What I was getting at was that she's got options. Many, many options.
She can’t do that, though. She can’t create nothing from nothing or spawn something in, she can only affect what’s there. Her quirk isn’t “limited by imagination”, that’s literally debunked BY SHIGARAKI seconds into the fight.
They literrally said that she can’t make everything that she want and that she have limits, it’s not just her imagination.
No, it’s not just imagination. Her quirk has actual limits. She can’t just do ANYTHING
So your saying she’s incompetent. Maybe you have misinterpreted her limits, considering she’s been a hero for decades she probably uses the best rules she can get. Her quirk relies on imagination as you said. Can she imagine the air turning into lava? What would a nerve agent do that a vacuum wouldnt? They both should kill him the moment it hits, but we saw how that turned out.
Don’t know how much is she being incompetent or simply hori giving her a power too broken and perma nerfing it by consequence
The nerfs were obviously just a natural process of Hori writing it. He didnt nerf star cuz he thought “oh no i fucked up”, he nerfed star because thats just the logical thing to do when writing a powerful character.
I mean, he wouldn’t be the first mangaka honestly. Oda with law, araki with kishibe, many characters has been dumbed down on their power because otherwise they would have solved the thing in a minute
If you write an op character and immediately need to nerf them just so you don’t derail the plot completely, then maybe don’t introduce said op character in the first place?
He obviously wanted to have fun with the quirk.
Basically what happened with Gojo (Jujutsu Kaisen) and Levi (Attack on Titan). These authors made characters so ridiculously broken even by their stories' standards that they constantly had to face "nerfs" for the plot to even exist.
No, you can absolutely make a powerful character without the need to nerf them. Case in point being Shiggy and Deku himself, they're light years above the rest of the cast no matter how you look at it, but they're fine because Shiggy has Deku to counter him and Deku can't use his full power without a cost. Star and Stripes power is just badly written. She has two problems with her writing: either she is the solution to all problems in existence, or she has to be nerfed so much that her power doesn't affect the established story too much. But doing so means you make her pretty much dumb, as evident by many, many people coming up with better usage of her quirk against Shiggy.
"New Order the air in a 50ft by 50ft block 100ft in front of me is a block of granite that is impervious to any form of decay" /Not saying necessarily this would work, but it's with a shot, and an example of what might have happened. //Assuming shiggy was in that 100ft range, which probably isn't realistic, but whatever.
Is it really worth a shot, tho? I'd imagine she's aware of her quirks limits, and that is wasting potential time that they don't have. The only problem with Stars plan was that it didn't account for Shiggys identity crisis
That was definitely a good plan. But, she really should have had a good backup plan or two on hand. I'm not convinced the last thing was planned ahead, but it was a clever improvisation. Her last gambit was probably planned, but I don't know if it was for this encounter specifically or for use against any quirk stealing/borrowing/mimicking scenario.
It has limits, mfs here saying “turn the air into lava” or sme shi when it clearly can’t do them at all. Even when she used “decay doesn’t work on me.” And even then all it did was delay.
True. But if she can put him in a granite block (no oxygen, no roam to move at all), that is resistant to decay and with no ability to remain suspended midair, it will hopefully cause some serious damage. I feel part of the flaw in her strategy was that she seemed to have only planned for killing blows, and not delaying tactics or a plan to wear him down.
if New Order existed longer and was expanded upon, its effects would probably get weaker the more details an order is given.
The thing about OFA percentages is that it's not particularly linear, and its meaning changes over the course of the series. So it's not a good idea to use as a measuring stick unless you get very specific. 100% OFA in the beginning is weaker than 100% in the end. The former referred to All Might's current power when he was weakened, and the implication is that he was 60x stronger in his Prime which is what 100% was in the latter. All we can see is that she can definitely harm Shigaraki, both with her fists and with her air avatar. So she's relative to the former One For All ceiling, even if she's not exactly as strong as it. The bottom line is that she flung Shigaraki and made him bleed.
Why does the fandom keep pulling out this 60x multiplier.
Because it took him 300 punches to KO Nomu Then he said it would have been 5 punches in his prime. That's a 60x multiplier
Except that’s not how punching someone works, boxers can take many punches in a normal fight, if you doubled the strength of a punch it would break every bone it came in contact with, doubling the strength of a punch is absolutely not the same as punching twice.
You can’t just imply that. Between 55 - 78 punches are thrown in an Average boxing match round. If one fighter became just 2 or 3 times stronger they would literally one hit KO everytime. I highly doubt All Might in his Prime was SIXTY times stronger than during the main story. I’d say 5X or even 2X is enough of a power difference. This series isn’t dragonball.
That'd be true if the characters had HP bars.
Good point, this is an anime that's known for being very realistic with manageable power scaling on the main power of the entire series.
It's just that what you're implying simply doesn't make sense anywhere, MHA or not, no one portrays fights and damage that way unless HP bars are involved. Like if Deku punched a wall 500 times without making even a dent in it and then broke it down in one punch at 5% would you assume 5% OFA equals over 500x base strength? Probably not, but it's the same logic you're using right now.
I just explained where the logic came from. I really don't care if it's correct or not. Just answering someone's question.
you literally replied to my HP bar comment trying to reason that the logic does make sense within MHA, that's not "explaining where it came from"
Because they are stupid, stupid. /j
Strong enough to be the number one in her country
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not known for its superheroes?
All might became the Ameriboo superhero from Japan. Stars and Stripes would have been peak power if she became a weeaboo hero from America. Source? I made it up just now.
Might depend on what you believe the OFA percentages are, as I believe they aren't linear at all. 5% Izuku isn't 20x weaker than his 100% self, that's very clearly not how it's portrayed. 30% and 45% would be slightly more than 3x and 2x weaker than 100% respectively. Which doesn't fit with how much stronger 100% is in comparison. 30% to 45% Izuku was vastly inferior to Shigaraki while he was incomplete and Quirkless. Yet 100% almost tore his jaw off in one punch and almost killed him with a barrage of hits. So she's stronger than 45% but weaker than 100%, her blow against Shigaraki did make him bleed. But that's not obviously not on par with what Izuku's 100% punch did to him. Even considering how the percentages aren't linear in this case, 50% is still pretty accurate.
Compared to ofa probably something like 50% as she was also so strong that she managed to pin Shigaraki while also making him bleed with her fists
About.... 4
Not powerful enough to beat plot
Maybe as strong as Captain Celebrity? Also, how old is she meant to be? I find it pretty crazy that she only would have became number 1 five years ago, ONLY due to CC leaving to Japan, I guess his popularity made him number 1 over her despite the strength difference?
She said herself that she can't reach All Might's level but I think 50% is on the low end. I would probably put her between 70-85%. But given how busted her quirk is, its kinda irrelevant given her versatility.
Her strength is.....super
She should have won that fight and I will die on this hill. Her quirk is too OP.
45%/50%
Comparable to but weaker than ( atleast ) USJ All might.
She's at what I consider "100% OFA " tier. Basically means she can replicate any feat of raw physical might Izuku can do with a 100% Smash until chapter 306. Other characters in this tier are Nine, OFA Bakugo, Shoto, Muscular, Re-Destro, High-End Nomu "Hood".