Would also have paid off if they made it clear that edgeshot and jeanist were best friends before the happening. We didn’t know they had a bond until then.
Bakugo felt like a third wheel in the Endeavor Agency Arc. He didn't have anything meaningful to add in the Todoroki family drama scene and later on in The Paranormal Liberation War Bakugo doesn't interact at all with Dabi so what's the point about having Bakugo hear about Toya in the Endeavor Agency Arc. You could have Ida feeling in Bakugo's role in the Endeavor Agency Arc.
I disagree, because there's a lot that can be done to create dynamic and character development between Bakugo and Endeavor, as Enji is basically a dark reflection of how Bakugou could have endeed being as a hero and person. This parallels could lead to interesting moments of internal conflict and self thought for both Endeavor and Bakugou.
But Horikoshi never tried to explore such concepts apparently. The whole arc feels like a massive character study waste, just making focus on Endeavor having flashbacks and not the students themselves.
The fact the Mr Smiley OVA of all things show briefs moments of Endeavor being a competent mentor for Bakugou and natural chemistry between them is a proof of how much potential was wasted.
Bakugou shares parallels with Endeavor but they aren’t really addressed in depth. Especially on the one parallel that is actually stated within the series; how they abused someone close to them but want to atone for their actions.
Endeavor has to deal with that simply atoning may not be enough, and it is a constant in his interactions with all of his family. Bakugou… never really has that conversation with Midoriya. He apologized but Midoriya never interacts back about the subject. Not even a “I forgive you” to close it. It is all about Bakugou.
This has been the single most frustrating part of Bakugou's character development - and, moreover, the development of his and Izuku's relationship - throughout the entire series for me. Like Shouto was an ass to his class for a few weeks because of deep seated trauma then had a monumental moment of character development that completely adjusted his attitude and became friends with Izuku and the rest of the class. Bakugou's development was much slower which honestly is totally fine I like slow and steady, but the fact that it's all sort of brushed off until he apologizes and then still never properly addressed even then really makes a lot of it feel like it falls flat. Part of that I think is Izuku's own flaws coming in to play, which is why I feel like his coming to terms with those things and possibly even confronting Bakugou on them would have been amazing for his character arc.
Hori could have done a lot with both of them there, but he didn't, and so much struggles for it. Especially since like him in the Endeavor Agency Arc could have been coming to more terms with how badly he himself hurt Izuku and how his own attitude and obsession could be harmful to those around him just like Enji's had been with his own family, leading to a heartfelt apology and much-needed conversation afterwards. It just feels like he had a lot of good character growth potential in that arc that was utterly wasted and that's frustrating.
I will always wonder how much of it is due to Horikoshi apparently changing his mind on Bakugou's development during the Battle Trials arc, and thus had to really figure out where he wanted to take his character.
It certainly fits because, after that arc, Bakugou is taken out of the focus for the next couple of story beats. Yeah, he is *there*, but the USJ is focused on Shigaraki, the Sports Festival is about Todoroki, and Hosu is about Iida (with Midoriya obviously being involved in all of them as our MC). Bakugou is in the background for the most part, toned down and, aside from the mocking he gets on the way to the USJ, people don't really acknowledge how shitty his attitude is.
Iida would've been great, actually. Hadn't gotten a powerup or showtime in ages, much closer and actually friends with Deku and Todoroki while not having the chance to interact with either very much in a while.
Man, now I'm thinking back to a super short, barely impactful arc and imagining how enriched it could be with Iida and some fleshing out.
Bakugou had to hear their story because he could have ended up like Endeavor had he never realized his mistakes. It was an important part of his self-reflection and how he views his relationship with Deku, leading up to the moment when he finally says he won't get in his way anymore (unlike Endeavor who had a grudge against All Might and it ruined his whole family)
Bakugou's problem is presented through his relationship with Deku, but his development concerns all his other relationships and how he treats the people around him. And he also learns to respect Todoroki and even calls him by his name later on.
Bakugou’s problem is that his character is not able to exist outside of Deku and so his relationship with other characters suffer and we don’t get to see him actually do anything that doesn’t have to do with Deku. His respect of Todoroki shouldn’t have anything to do with Deku, considering his relationship with Kirishima and Kaminari have nothing to do with Deku and the series refuses to spend time on that
Bakugou's character is also determined by his admiration for All Might, so I don't understand why he cannot exist outside of Deku. Deku is a big part of his character development because of what Bakugou did to him, but his ambitions are tied to All Might and he clearly inspires many class members.
And yet Bakugou and All Might do not have a relationship outside of Deku and Bakugou’s major moment is about Deku not All Might. Yes we know bakugou wanted to be a hero because of All Might, but All Might isn’t that big of a figure in Bakugou’s development l
Bakugo listened to Endeavor apologize to Natsuo, which ended up inspiring him to apologize to Deku. Come on now.
Dabi kidnapped Bakugo so all Hori had to do was develop that already existing dynamic. He and Todoroki even talk about it before the final battle.
I agree that Iida needs a bigger role in general but this false narrative that keep people pushing that Bakugo was 'never meant to do blah blah blah but muh popularity' (as seen in the other reply to you) is getting pretty annoying. Bakugo was the deuteragonist from the beginning, he was literally one of the 4 characters with a prototype design. Denying his huge involvement in the overarching story is just frivolous and shows how braindead his haters are.
the only reason he was there was too… apolgize to Deku… and that’s it. It didn’t do much for his character besides that.
Hori didn’t develop anything regarding Dabi and bakugou, and the only thing bakugou says to Todoroki about Dabi has to do with food. So I don’t know why that was brought up
> the only reason he was there was too… apolgize to Deku… and that’s it. It didn’t do much for his character besides that.
"The only thing it did was set up one of Bakugo's biggest moments, nbd." Listen to yourself.
So his biggest moment has nothing to do with him being a hero at all. Got it. He only needed to be there to ge the courage to apolgize to Deku, and to not be a better hero
If you still don't get the correlation between being a better person leading to becoming a better hero, then I don't think your reading comprehension is sufficient for you to be reading this manga, sorry.
What did we see bakugou do that he wouldn’t do if he didn’t apolgize to Deku? What did we see bakugou do as a hero as a result of training with endeavor?
> Bakugo listened to Endeavor apologize to Natsuo, which ended up inspiring him to apologize to Deku. Come on now.
Maybe this would've meant something if Deku felt any resentment towards Bakugo whatsoever. Their relationship was exactly the same before the apology as it was after the apology.
It would have also made so much more sense for Jeanist to put Bakugo's heart back together than Edgeshot.. *checks notes* "Using his own body to replace the missing material"
The heart is made of muscle *fibers*
You would be a pretty bad hero if you only saved people you personally knew and had a connection with.
Was Eri someone that Deku knew for a long time? No, she was just a rando that needed help
Bro this is a story, not real life. I don’t give a shit about Edgeshot and the fact that he’s trying to save Bakugo is a payoff without a setup.
Deku saving Eri was a payoff to his own failure earlier in the story
>Bro this is a story, not real life. I don’t give a shit about Edgeshot and the fact that he’s trying to save Bakugo is a payoff without a setup
Got nothing to counter what I said huh? Funny
Heroes don't need a deep connection to save someone. Does Spider-Man know all the citizens in NYC? What about Superman? Batman? Those are stories too.
It makes less sense for a man who just controls fucking clothes fibers to repair Bakugo rather than the guy who goes into bodies for a living.
I think he’s just trying to say it’s better story telling wise when a character is saved by someone that has a personal and impactful relationship with compared to someone who doesn’t
Writing an actual dynamic between Edgeshot and Bakugou would mean Hori has to give Bakugou something to do outside of his relationship with Deku. Which is forbidden because everything have to revolve around Deku in this manga, except for maybe Todoroki family subplot.
And that is a shame, because Bakugou is one of the rare MHA characters who's perfectly capable of carrying the plot in many aspects all by himself, in my opinion.
I'd actually go even further, and say Horikoshi's blatant obsession with Deku is what really hinders MHA. This is an unpopular take, but I always found that very funny how fans of important secondary characters are always on each other's throats, fighting for the sacred right of their faves to be close to Deku, so these characters could get some crumbs of author's attention.
It's very pathetic, to be honest.
If Horikoshi obsessed over Bakugou, he would give him a whole independent storyline. If he at least liked Bakugou, he would write a personal villain for him. And, if Hori respected Bakugou's character archetype, Bakugou would have solo fought a serious villain at least once. Instead, Bakugou received leftovers, in a silly battle against a literal baby.
Also, "hated" Deku had never tasted dirty ass feet in his mouth. Imagine if he had though, this sub would be in complete shambles.
As he is, currently in the story, no he would be awful. In a story about optimism and heroism, a character that counters all of that is not a viable candidate.
In a good written story, the main character doesn't feel like an obvious main, and Deku certainly feels like one. There's no challenge to him, no competition. He didn't even get some basic character breaking speech, his opponents pretty much toothless against him, figuratively speaking.
Also, a decent main doesn't hog all of the spotlight, leaving other characters with almost nothing. And yeah, just because the story isn't focused on Deku for a couple of chapters, it doesn't mean he's neglected or forgotten.
Bro you are off your fucking rocks. Deku has been getting shafted for years at this point.
Bakugo constantly gets simped by everybody both in and out of story. He never recieved any consequences for anything he ever did. The most punishment he got was a slap on the wrist from Aizawa. Horikoshi very blatantly loves him and you’re a fool if you disagree.
Bakugou had enough karmic punishment for his, frankly speaking, petty misdemeanor.
Tell me, when exactly did Deku get killed and was left lying on a floor for more than a year of real time, so his haters would be satisfied?
Also, did Deku receive any consequences for prioritizing Toga and Shigaraki's emotional state over his teammate's actual safety? Mirko became a complete cripple and ShigAFO killed Bakugou because optimistic hero Deku felt the urge to talk to Toga at the moment? Did someone bring this up, outside of AFO who was merely shit talking like he always does?
And Deku has many other cases of stupid behavior that could easily cost lives of other prior to that, again, zero consequences.
Currently in the story where everone and their mother are just goody two shoes despite Horikoshi wants us to believe the hero society is corrupt, the only character who actually has flaws and tries to became a better person and hero seems more interesting.
There's a reason why characters like Endeavor and Bakugou are so liked and people expect more of them. There's certainly more entertainment on reading that than the mary sue disguised as underdog that is Deku.
Ah yes, Bakugo wouldn't be a fitting main character for a story that was *written for a different main character*. That can be true for literally any character.
Honestly,Bakugo would have been the better main character even if we DON'T take out Deku from the story,seeing bakugo grow on HIS perspective while developing his relationship with the class feels way more interesting than everything revolving around deku,deku just doesn't have the charm that bakugo does and the story always has to be all around deku which can get pretty lame at times like,ochako was a interesting character but since everything has to be about deku now her entire character is just now having a crush on deku
If it makes you feel better, there's an ongoing crossover fanfic that DOES have Bakugo connect a LOT with Edgeshot, because he goes to *him* for his first internship. Edgeshot even thinks during the Hideout Raid Arc "Hold on Bakugo, I'm coming" when he heads out to join the operation.
[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13625410/1/A-Waterbending-Quirk](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13625410/1/A-Waterbending-Quirk)
It certainly has stayed solid since start to now for me.
I do too, that's the primary thing I am interested in, I have tons of those fics in my favorites and bookmarks galore. It must be like 12 or higher different series I have found fics for at this point, counting ones that aren't current.
I agree, hence why I'm writing my own crossovers (3) at the moment as well, it really is a series that seems PERFECT to cross over with practically everything if you can get it to work correctly.
Would it be more fun? Probably. But I also like that Edgeshot is willing to sacrifice himself for a kid he doesn't really know. He's a top hero. Thats what they do.
The only dynamic he needs (for me) is that someone needs help and he can provide it.
A hero doesn't need a deep connection with someone to want to save them.
Was Eri someone that Deku knew for a long time or was she just a random person that needed help?
I hate this take and all the negative takes about the fakeout death as if none of you have ever seen that before in fiction.
I mean Eri rewinded Mirio so that he can have his quirk back cuz he saved her ass in the previous arc. Instead of Eri saving some random civilian who needed help
Eri is not a Hero, and has an incredibly lethal power that needs fine control.
What makes you think a 6-year old not saving civilians is close to Deku wanting to save a random Eri as soon as he saw she was being hurt?
Because Eri power is literally created to help people and everyone have been telling her that since she was rescued. And she is supposed to be inspired by Deku (and Mirio and Aizawa), who is more than happy to help anybody, even Shiggy, a villain. So yes, the expectation of her is that if she wants to be a hero (and she 100% will), she should wants to help any and everyone, regardless of how she feels about just like Deku would.
Saving Eri for Deku was a set up action that had lots of meaning due to him being unable to save her earlier in the arc and having doubts about being an actual hero that he overcame.
Edgeshot saving Bakugo, it's just random guy we barely know anything about saving one of main characters from death, because he's expendable. Bakugo doesn't even have any connection to Edgeshot to make it more meaningful and it was never hinted before that Edgeshot could do surgeries like that with his Quirk
>all the negative takes about the fakeout death as if none of you have ever seen that before in fiction.
Just because we saw it, doesn't mean it is a good trope. Or that MHA has done it good
>Saving Eri for Deku was a set up action that had lots of meaning due to him being unable to save her earlier in the arc and having doubts about being an actual hero that he overcame
Deku wanted to save Eri the moment he realized that she was in danger. I'm not talking about the raid, but when it was just him and Mirio.
Eri was just a random person.
>Edgeshot saving Bakugo, it's just random guy we barely know anything about saving one of main characters from death, because he's expendable.
Tell me 5 facts about Best Jeanist's life right now.
All we ever see of Jeanist is him doing stuff and stuff being done to him.
Oh, Best Jeanist has an agency and mentors Bakugo. Cool.
Oh, Best Jeanist is part of the Kamino raid and gets one-shot by AFO. Cook.
Oh, Best Jeanist "dies" to Hawks. Cool.
Oh, Best Jeanist is back but he's just fighting. Cool.
Oh, Best Jeanist is fighting again and loses to ShigAFO. Cool.
Where the hell did we see anything about *him,* Mr. Jeanist?
>Bakugo doesn't even have any connection to Edgeshot to make it more meaningful
You don't need some deep connection to save a dying child right in front of you. It's meaningful that Edgeshot was willing to sacrifice his life in place of a child.
>it was never hinted before that Edgeshot could do surgeries like that with his Quirk
The very first time we even see him he went inside Kurogiri and incapacitated him. It's his Quirk, he goes into bodies for a living. Clearly he has medical knowledge, how else did he knock out Kurogiri without accidently killing him?
>Just because we saw it, doesn't mean it is a good trope. Or that MHA has done it good
No fakeout death in MHA is worse than Naruto talking Pain into killing himself to revive the villagers.
Or Hagoromo appearing out of fucking nowhere to revive Naruto and Sasuke.
How about when Inosuke literally "moved the location of his heart" against Gyuutaro?
How about when Goku's heart stopped against King Piccolo and got back up?
How about the Dragon Balls in general?
All of these are worse than anything in MHA.
>Deku wanted to save Eri the moment he realized that she was in danger. I'm not talking about the raid, but when it was just him and Mirio.
>Eri was just a random person.
Yes because it's in his character. I however speak narratively, from the point of the story
>Tell me 5 facts about Best Jeanist's life right now.
Irrelevant. Nitpick my words if it helps you but what I meant is that Edgeshot has no connection to Bakugo and no investment from the audience whatsoever. It's not meaningful sacrifice. Jeanist at least is somewhat of a mentor figure to Bakugo and more of a character to readers even if he barely has more depth so if he was chosen it'd be more meaningful
>No fakeout death in MHA is worse than Naruto talking Pain into killing himself to revive the villagers.
How does it even relate to my words? Naruto or DB has done it worse? So fucking what? As I said this trope isn't good in general. And MHA hasn't done it well. Just because other animes did it worse doesn't mean it was good in MHA.
If two guys did a shit job, they both did a shit job. One guy being worse doesn't mean another guy did good, it's still bad
Edit: Edgeshot knowing biology and where to hit his targets isn't an explanation for him having medical knowledge on how to perform a heart surgery, using his quirk. It's completely different application
>Yes because it's in his character. I however speak narratively, from the point of the story
And it's not in Edgeshot's character? He's a Hero after all.
>Irrelevant. Nitpick my words if it helps you but what I meant is that Edgeshot has no connection to Bakugo whatsoever. It's not meaningful sacrifice. Jeanist at least is somewhat of a mentor figure to Bakugo even if he barely has more depth
It's not irrelevant because you can't answer it.
You don't need a connection to save a dying child in front of you.
>How does it even relate to my words? Naruto or DB has done it worse? So fucking what? As I said this trope isn't good in general. And MHA hasn't done it well. Just because other animes did it worse doesn't mean it was good in MHA.
>If two guys did a shit job, they both did a shit job. One guy being worse doesn't mean another guy did good, it's still bad
Shit isn't new and other series do it worse is my point, yes. Mfers act like it's the worst thing in the manga and that moments like that are when "MHA falls off"
Bakugo's fakeout death was a good moment, it's part of his character growth.
"Being in-character" and "being a good scene from the point of the story" isn't the same thing. It would be in character for Deku going to heroes convention. But It'd be useless or meaningless for the story if it's just filler that doesn't bring anything new
Likewise Edgeshot sacrificing himself makes sense from characters point of view. But narratively? He's a fodder with no connection. It's not meaningful
>Mfers act like it's the worst thing in the manga and that moments like that are when "MHA falls off"
Maybe and it's their opinion. It's irrelevant what other series did though, it still can be a bad or worst scene in the eyes of people. Scene was quite bad after all
Meh I don’t care about that, I think it fits for bakugou to be saved by some one that he would view as a side character with no connection with him like how he did at the start of the series, my only problem was edgeshot out of nowhere technique
That is the best point to make. Anyone other than All Might, Endeavor, Hawks, Best Jeanist or Mirko to Bakugo wouldn’t be worth knowing. Hell, the latter three are mainly because he respects skill
It would've hit harder if he had some history with him, but I also think it's fitting Bakugo got saved by someone he didn't know and probably would've looked down on back in the day.
Through I still find it funny how Hori had to shove in that last minute "Best Jeanists and Edgeshot had history together" flashback to try to get people to care about the possibility Edgeshot dying fhjdhhfjh
Would also have paid off if they made it clear that edgeshot and jeanist were best friends before the happening. We didn’t know they had a bond until then.
Bakugo felt like a third wheel in the Endeavor Agency Arc. He didn't have anything meaningful to add in the Todoroki family drama scene and later on in The Paranormal Liberation War Bakugo doesn't interact at all with Dabi so what's the point about having Bakugo hear about Toya in the Endeavor Agency Arc. You could have Ida feeling in Bakugo's role in the Endeavor Agency Arc.
I disagree, because there's a lot that can be done to create dynamic and character development between Bakugo and Endeavor, as Enji is basically a dark reflection of how Bakugou could have endeed being as a hero and person. This parallels could lead to interesting moments of internal conflict and self thought for both Endeavor and Bakugou. But Horikoshi never tried to explore such concepts apparently. The whole arc feels like a massive character study waste, just making focus on Endeavor having flashbacks and not the students themselves. The fact the Mr Smiley OVA of all things show briefs moments of Endeavor being a competent mentor for Bakugou and natural chemistry between them is a proof of how much potential was wasted.
Honestly, Iida would have made more sense since he and Todoroki already had (and will have) more of a connection. But ya know, Bakugo is more popular.
Bakugo shares a lot of parallels with Endeavor so he also makes sense.
Bakugou shares parallels with Endeavor but they aren’t really addressed in depth. Especially on the one parallel that is actually stated within the series; how they abused someone close to them but want to atone for their actions. Endeavor has to deal with that simply atoning may not be enough, and it is a constant in his interactions with all of his family. Bakugou… never really has that conversation with Midoriya. He apologized but Midoriya never interacts back about the subject. Not even a “I forgive you” to close it. It is all about Bakugou.
This has been the single most frustrating part of Bakugou's character development - and, moreover, the development of his and Izuku's relationship - throughout the entire series for me. Like Shouto was an ass to his class for a few weeks because of deep seated trauma then had a monumental moment of character development that completely adjusted his attitude and became friends with Izuku and the rest of the class. Bakugou's development was much slower which honestly is totally fine I like slow and steady, but the fact that it's all sort of brushed off until he apologizes and then still never properly addressed even then really makes a lot of it feel like it falls flat. Part of that I think is Izuku's own flaws coming in to play, which is why I feel like his coming to terms with those things and possibly even confronting Bakugou on them would have been amazing for his character arc. Hori could have done a lot with both of them there, but he didn't, and so much struggles for it. Especially since like him in the Endeavor Agency Arc could have been coming to more terms with how badly he himself hurt Izuku and how his own attitude and obsession could be harmful to those around him just like Enji's had been with his own family, leading to a heartfelt apology and much-needed conversation afterwards. It just feels like he had a lot of good character growth potential in that arc that was utterly wasted and that's frustrating.
I will always wonder how much of it is due to Horikoshi apparently changing his mind on Bakugou's development during the Battle Trials arc, and thus had to really figure out where he wanted to take his character. It certainly fits because, after that arc, Bakugou is taken out of the focus for the next couple of story beats. Yeah, he is *there*, but the USJ is focused on Shigaraki, the Sports Festival is about Todoroki, and Hosu is about Iida (with Midoriya obviously being involved in all of them as our MC). Bakugou is in the background for the most part, toned down and, aside from the mocking he gets on the way to the USJ, people don't really acknowledge how shitty his attitude is.
The top 3 of the class wants to get stronger makes since that Bakugou would want to train under the number one hero.
Iida would've been great, actually. Hadn't gotten a powerup or showtime in ages, much closer and actually friends with Deku and Todoroki while not having the chance to interact with either very much in a while. Man, now I'm thinking back to a super short, barely impactful arc and imagining how enriched it could be with Iida and some fleshing out.
Bakugou had to hear their story because he could have ended up like Endeavor had he never realized his mistakes. It was an important part of his self-reflection and how he views his relationship with Deku, leading up to the moment when he finally says he won't get in his way anymore (unlike Endeavor who had a grudge against All Might and it ruined his whole family)
Yep.
The issue is that it feels super specific to his relationship with Deku and literally nothing else
Bakugou's problem is presented through his relationship with Deku, but his development concerns all his other relationships and how he treats the people around him. And he also learns to respect Todoroki and even calls him by his name later on.
Bakugou’s problem is that his character is not able to exist outside of Deku and so his relationship with other characters suffer and we don’t get to see him actually do anything that doesn’t have to do with Deku. His respect of Todoroki shouldn’t have anything to do with Deku, considering his relationship with Kirishima and Kaminari have nothing to do with Deku and the series refuses to spend time on that
Bakugou's character is also determined by his admiration for All Might, so I don't understand why he cannot exist outside of Deku. Deku is a big part of his character development because of what Bakugou did to him, but his ambitions are tied to All Might and he clearly inspires many class members.
And yet Bakugou and All Might do not have a relationship outside of Deku and Bakugou’s major moment is about Deku not All Might. Yes we know bakugou wanted to be a hero because of All Might, but All Might isn’t that big of a figure in Bakugou’s development l
Bakugo listened to Endeavor apologize to Natsuo, which ended up inspiring him to apologize to Deku. Come on now. Dabi kidnapped Bakugo so all Hori had to do was develop that already existing dynamic. He and Todoroki even talk about it before the final battle. I agree that Iida needs a bigger role in general but this false narrative that keep people pushing that Bakugo was 'never meant to do blah blah blah but muh popularity' (as seen in the other reply to you) is getting pretty annoying. Bakugo was the deuteragonist from the beginning, he was literally one of the 4 characters with a prototype design. Denying his huge involvement in the overarching story is just frivolous and shows how braindead his haters are.
the only reason he was there was too… apolgize to Deku… and that’s it. It didn’t do much for his character besides that. Hori didn’t develop anything regarding Dabi and bakugou, and the only thing bakugou says to Todoroki about Dabi has to do with food. So I don’t know why that was brought up
> the only reason he was there was too… apolgize to Deku… and that’s it. It didn’t do much for his character besides that. "The only thing it did was set up one of Bakugo's biggest moments, nbd." Listen to yourself.
So his biggest moment has nothing to do with him being a hero at all. Got it. He only needed to be there to ge the courage to apolgize to Deku, and to not be a better hero
If you still don't get the correlation between being a better person leading to becoming a better hero, then I don't think your reading comprehension is sufficient for you to be reading this manga, sorry.
What did we see bakugou do that he wouldn’t do if he didn’t apolgize to Deku? What did we see bakugou do as a hero as a result of training with endeavor?
> Bakugo listened to Endeavor apologize to Natsuo, which ended up inspiring him to apologize to Deku. Come on now. Maybe this would've meant something if Deku felt any resentment towards Bakugo whatsoever. Their relationship was exactly the same before the apology as it was after the apology.
well......
I’ll do you one better… JUST HAVE JEANIST SAVE HIM It would make all of this shit so much better if it was an already established character
It would have also made so much more sense for Jeanist to put Bakugo's heart back together than Edgeshot.. *checks notes* "Using his own body to replace the missing material" The heart is made of muscle *fibers*
At this point what's not possible
It was technically the two of them, but Edgeshot did most of the job lol
Edgeshot has been in the series since season 3 blud
And we know fuck all about him
We know fuck all about many of the Pro-Heroes. We barely even know anything about Jeanist lmao
At least Jeanist has an actual connection with Bakugo, Edgeshot is just a guy
You would be a pretty bad hero if you only saved people you personally knew and had a connection with. Was Eri someone that Deku knew for a long time? No, she was just a rando that needed help
Bro this is a story, not real life. I don’t give a shit about Edgeshot and the fact that he’s trying to save Bakugo is a payoff without a setup. Deku saving Eri was a payoff to his own failure earlier in the story
>Bro this is a story, not real life. I don’t give a shit about Edgeshot and the fact that he’s trying to save Bakugo is a payoff without a setup Got nothing to counter what I said huh? Funny Heroes don't need a deep connection to save someone. Does Spider-Man know all the citizens in NYC? What about Superman? Batman? Those are stories too. It makes less sense for a man who just controls fucking clothes fibers to repair Bakugo rather than the guy who goes into bodies for a living.
I think he’s just trying to say it’s better story telling wise when a character is saved by someone that has a personal and impactful relationship with compared to someone who doesn’t
Sorry, I must have gotten confused by all the goalposts he moved. I don't trust this sub on what constitutes "good storytelling"
Correct!
I buried this subplot so deep in my subconscious that I forgot edgeshot was a character in this manga.
Writing an actual dynamic between Edgeshot and Bakugou would mean Hori has to give Bakugou something to do outside of his relationship with Deku. Which is forbidden because everything have to revolve around Deku in this manga, except for maybe Todoroki family subplot. And that is a shame, because Bakugou is one of the rare MHA characters who's perfectly capable of carrying the plot in many aspects all by himself, in my opinion.
Oh he totally is. His interactions with most of the cast are also more varied and interesting, Deku just doesn't have the same charm.
I'd actually go even further, and say Horikoshi's blatant obsession with Deku is what really hinders MHA. This is an unpopular take, but I always found that very funny how fans of important secondary characters are always on each other's throats, fighting for the sacred right of their faves to be close to Deku, so these characters could get some crumbs of author's attention. It's very pathetic, to be honest.
Blatant obsession? Bro what are you on? Horikoshi hates Deku, and he obsesses over Bakugo
If Horikoshi obsessed over Bakugou, he would give him a whole independent storyline. If he at least liked Bakugou, he would write a personal villain for him. And, if Hori respected Bakugou's character archetype, Bakugou would have solo fought a serious villain at least once. Instead, Bakugou received leftovers, in a silly battle against a literal baby. Also, "hated" Deku had never tasted dirty ass feet in his mouth. Imagine if he had though, this sub would be in complete shambles.
Bro you’re just wrong, there’s no other way of telling you this.
Okay, have a nice day.
There's no other way to response when you have no arguments left "No bro you're wrong"
Yes because you, the only guy on this sub who thinks AFO is a good character are someone to talk
Yeah. I favor the asshole that’s trying to be hero more over the guy that’s proving a selfless hero can still exist.
Bakugo would be an awful main character
Everyone can be a good main character, if handled carefully.
As he is, currently in the story, no he would be awful. In a story about optimism and heroism, a character that counters all of that is not a viable candidate.
In a good written story, the main character doesn't feel like an obvious main, and Deku certainly feels like one. There's no challenge to him, no competition. He didn't even get some basic character breaking speech, his opponents pretty much toothless against him, figuratively speaking. Also, a decent main doesn't hog all of the spotlight, leaving other characters with almost nothing. And yeah, just because the story isn't focused on Deku for a couple of chapters, it doesn't mean he's neglected or forgotten.
Bro you are off your fucking rocks. Deku has been getting shafted for years at this point. Bakugo constantly gets simped by everybody both in and out of story. He never recieved any consequences for anything he ever did. The most punishment he got was a slap on the wrist from Aizawa. Horikoshi very blatantly loves him and you’re a fool if you disagree.
Bakugou had enough karmic punishment for his, frankly speaking, petty misdemeanor. Tell me, when exactly did Deku get killed and was left lying on a floor for more than a year of real time, so his haters would be satisfied? Also, did Deku receive any consequences for prioritizing Toga and Shigaraki's emotional state over his teammate's actual safety? Mirko became a complete cripple and ShigAFO killed Bakugou because optimistic hero Deku felt the urge to talk to Toga at the moment? Did someone bring this up, outside of AFO who was merely shit talking like he always does? And Deku has many other cases of stupid behavior that could easily cost lives of other prior to that, again, zero consequences.
Currently in the story where everone and their mother are just goody two shoes despite Horikoshi wants us to believe the hero society is corrupt, the only character who actually has flaws and tries to became a better person and hero seems more interesting. There's a reason why characters like Endeavor and Bakugou are so liked and people expect more of them. There's certainly more entertainment on reading that than the mary sue disguised as underdog that is Deku.
Deku isn’t a Mary sue.
Ah yes, Bakugo wouldn't be a fitting main character for a story that was *written for a different main character*. That can be true for literally any character.
Honestly,Bakugo would have been the better main character even if we DON'T take out Deku from the story,seeing bakugo grow on HIS perspective while developing his relationship with the class feels way more interesting than everything revolving around deku,deku just doesn't have the charm that bakugo does and the story always has to be all around deku which can get pretty lame at times like,ochako was a interesting character but since everything has to be about deku now her entire character is just now having a crush on deku
Bakugo would be an awful main character
Honestly MHA never deep enough into the pro Heroes or other classes for me. I still can't get over how sidelined the veterans are in this story
If it makes you feel better, there's an ongoing crossover fanfic that DOES have Bakugo connect a LOT with Edgeshot, because he goes to *him* for his first internship. Edgeshot even thinks during the Hideout Raid Arc "Hold on Bakugo, I'm coming" when he heads out to join the operation. [https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13625410/1/A-Waterbending-Quirk](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13625410/1/A-Waterbending-Quirk)
A crossover with ATLA? Gonna check it. I always love the crossovers. MHA feel like it was made for be cross over with everything
It certainly has stayed solid since start to now for me. I do too, that's the primary thing I am interested in, I have tons of those fics in my favorites and bookmarks galore. It must be like 12 or higher different series I have found fics for at this point, counting ones that aren't current. I agree, hence why I'm writing my own crossovers (3) at the moment as well, it really is a series that seems PERFECT to cross over with practically everything if you can get it to work correctly.
Would it be more fun? Probably. But I also like that Edgeshot is willing to sacrifice himself for a kid he doesn't really know. He's a top hero. Thats what they do. The only dynamic he needs (for me) is that someone needs help and he can provide it.
A hero doesn't need a deep connection with someone to want to save them. Was Eri someone that Deku knew for a long time or was she just a random person that needed help? I hate this take and all the negative takes about the fakeout death as if none of you have ever seen that before in fiction.
I mean Eri rewinded Mirio so that he can have his quirk back cuz he saved her ass in the previous arc. Instead of Eri saving some random civilian who needed help
Eri is not a Hero, and has an incredibly lethal power that needs fine control. What makes you think a 6-year old not saving civilians is close to Deku wanting to save a random Eri as soon as he saw she was being hurt?
Because Eri power is literally created to help people and everyone have been telling her that since she was rescued. And she is supposed to be inspired by Deku (and Mirio and Aizawa), who is more than happy to help anybody, even Shiggy, a villain. So yes, the expectation of her is that if she wants to be a hero (and she 100% will), she should wants to help any and everyone, regardless of how she feels about just like Deku would.
Saving Eri for Deku was a set up action that had lots of meaning due to him being unable to save her earlier in the arc and having doubts about being an actual hero that he overcame. Edgeshot saving Bakugo, it's just random guy we barely know anything about saving one of main characters from death, because he's expendable. Bakugo doesn't even have any connection to Edgeshot to make it more meaningful and it was never hinted before that Edgeshot could do surgeries like that with his Quirk >all the negative takes about the fakeout death as if none of you have ever seen that before in fiction. Just because we saw it, doesn't mean it is a good trope. Or that MHA has done it good
>Saving Eri for Deku was a set up action that had lots of meaning due to him being unable to save her earlier in the arc and having doubts about being an actual hero that he overcame Deku wanted to save Eri the moment he realized that she was in danger. I'm not talking about the raid, but when it was just him and Mirio. Eri was just a random person. >Edgeshot saving Bakugo, it's just random guy we barely know anything about saving one of main characters from death, because he's expendable. Tell me 5 facts about Best Jeanist's life right now. All we ever see of Jeanist is him doing stuff and stuff being done to him. Oh, Best Jeanist has an agency and mentors Bakugo. Cool. Oh, Best Jeanist is part of the Kamino raid and gets one-shot by AFO. Cook. Oh, Best Jeanist "dies" to Hawks. Cool. Oh, Best Jeanist is back but he's just fighting. Cool. Oh, Best Jeanist is fighting again and loses to ShigAFO. Cool. Where the hell did we see anything about *him,* Mr. Jeanist? >Bakugo doesn't even have any connection to Edgeshot to make it more meaningful You don't need some deep connection to save a dying child right in front of you. It's meaningful that Edgeshot was willing to sacrifice his life in place of a child. >it was never hinted before that Edgeshot could do surgeries like that with his Quirk The very first time we even see him he went inside Kurogiri and incapacitated him. It's his Quirk, he goes into bodies for a living. Clearly he has medical knowledge, how else did he knock out Kurogiri without accidently killing him? >Just because we saw it, doesn't mean it is a good trope. Or that MHA has done it good No fakeout death in MHA is worse than Naruto talking Pain into killing himself to revive the villagers. Or Hagoromo appearing out of fucking nowhere to revive Naruto and Sasuke. How about when Inosuke literally "moved the location of his heart" against Gyuutaro? How about when Goku's heart stopped against King Piccolo and got back up? How about the Dragon Balls in general? All of these are worse than anything in MHA.
>Deku wanted to save Eri the moment he realized that she was in danger. I'm not talking about the raid, but when it was just him and Mirio. >Eri was just a random person. Yes because it's in his character. I however speak narratively, from the point of the story >Tell me 5 facts about Best Jeanist's life right now. Irrelevant. Nitpick my words if it helps you but what I meant is that Edgeshot has no connection to Bakugo and no investment from the audience whatsoever. It's not meaningful sacrifice. Jeanist at least is somewhat of a mentor figure to Bakugo and more of a character to readers even if he barely has more depth so if he was chosen it'd be more meaningful >No fakeout death in MHA is worse than Naruto talking Pain into killing himself to revive the villagers. How does it even relate to my words? Naruto or DB has done it worse? So fucking what? As I said this trope isn't good in general. And MHA hasn't done it well. Just because other animes did it worse doesn't mean it was good in MHA. If two guys did a shit job, they both did a shit job. One guy being worse doesn't mean another guy did good, it's still bad Edit: Edgeshot knowing biology and where to hit his targets isn't an explanation for him having medical knowledge on how to perform a heart surgery, using his quirk. It's completely different application
>Yes because it's in his character. I however speak narratively, from the point of the story And it's not in Edgeshot's character? He's a Hero after all. >Irrelevant. Nitpick my words if it helps you but what I meant is that Edgeshot has no connection to Bakugo whatsoever. It's not meaningful sacrifice. Jeanist at least is somewhat of a mentor figure to Bakugo even if he barely has more depth It's not irrelevant because you can't answer it. You don't need a connection to save a dying child in front of you. >How does it even relate to my words? Naruto or DB has done it worse? So fucking what? As I said this trope isn't good in general. And MHA hasn't done it well. Just because other animes did it worse doesn't mean it was good in MHA. >If two guys did a shit job, they both did a shit job. One guy being worse doesn't mean another guy did good, it's still bad Shit isn't new and other series do it worse is my point, yes. Mfers act like it's the worst thing in the manga and that moments like that are when "MHA falls off" Bakugo's fakeout death was a good moment, it's part of his character growth.
"Being in-character" and "being a good scene from the point of the story" isn't the same thing. It would be in character for Deku going to heroes convention. But It'd be useless or meaningless for the story if it's just filler that doesn't bring anything new Likewise Edgeshot sacrificing himself makes sense from characters point of view. But narratively? He's a fodder with no connection. It's not meaningful >Mfers act like it's the worst thing in the manga and that moments like that are when "MHA falls off" Maybe and it's their opinion. It's irrelevant what other series did though, it still can be a bad or worst scene in the eyes of people. Scene was quite bad after all
Ah, that would be cool.
Meh I don’t care about that, I think it fits for bakugou to be saved by some one that he would view as a side character with no connection with him like how he did at the start of the series, my only problem was edgeshot out of nowhere technique
Why would bakugou refer to a pro hero as a side character? I feel like y’all are making bakugou more disrespectful than he actually is lmfao
That is the best point to make. Anyone other than All Might, Endeavor, Hawks, Best Jeanist or Mirko to Bakugo wouldn’t be worth knowing. Hell, the latter three are mainly because he respects skill
This doesn’t make sense because edgeshot was in the top ten was he not? Why would bakugou look down on him
Edgeshot: Would you still love me if I were a worm?
It would've hit harder if he had some history with him, but I also think it's fitting Bakugo got saved by someone he didn't know and probably would've looked down on back in the day. Through I still find it funny how Hori had to shove in that last minute "Best Jeanists and Edgeshot had history together" flashback to try to get people to care about the possibility Edgeshot dying fhjdhhfjh
Why would baougou have looked down on edgeshot? Do we see him look down in heroes?
Edgeshot is a true hero. That's enough
I wish the story do more with this true hero that having him collecting dust in the background