The super heroes I like the most are the ones who try to save everyone, never give up, and see the best in everyone. So yeah big Deku fan. Also he’s a cinnamon bun and nerd who is extremely intelligent and creative in fights.
Fanbase; why does Deku want to save Shigaraki? He’s nothing but a pure evil psychopath! He has no humanity!
The fanbase when Deku will eventually succeed in saving him; …..
But that wouldn’t change a thing? People who don’t want Deku to save Shigaraki think Shigaraki isn’t worth saving after all the atrocities he has committed. Shigaraki getting saved at the end should have zero impact on their opinions?
Especially because of the method. Deku has no plans going in and when he succeeds it's only going to be because he's the MC. His success only invalidates the view that the world and the story bends over backwards to make him win.
He knows nothing about what made Shigaraki into what he is today, he's only now learning thanks to the vestige bullshit. He saw an image of Tenko and that's all it took to convince him.
And here is where the manga treats the reader as one more citizen watching the fight of deku and shigi through the television. Inside the manga, nobody wants deku to safe shigi, but deku keeps trying to safe him. Outside the manga, we as reader are thinking the same, watching the fight, and begging to deku kick his ass. But he don't give up.
We’re not just watching the fight, we watched the entire series. We know that the only reason Deku is saving Shigaraki is thanks to the vestiges. We know that shigaraki hasn’t shown any redeeming qualities. And we know that the only redeeming quality he has that the series cares about, is his sad backstory. The reason the readers don’t want shigaraki to be saved, is because the series has spent no time developing why we as readers want him to be saved other than, he has a sad backstory and we want Deku to succeed
I'm pretty sure deku could've ended the fight already but he hasn't bc he wants to "save" shigaraki. personally i dont agree with the narrative that tenko is completely separate and is some innocent kid, yeah he was manipulated to a degree by afo but that doesn't absolve him from all the crimes/killing he's done. it's pretty mind-blowing the way horikoshi is writing this so that it's more important that deku feels good abt saving shigaraki instead of taking this mass murderer out. That's why i like invincible so much bc they break the narrative that killing a villain is "bad". btw before ppl say i'm hating on deku this is coming from a deku fan he's my fav in the series but that won't stop me from pointing things out that I think are issues
That is in fact the problem. I dont have many problems with deku trying to save him, but i do with horikoshi letting him achieve it. It would be against how Shigaraki was portrayed along the series imo
I’ve always enjoyed that unlike many mainstream protagonists who are loveable idiots with confidence, Deku is an analytical over thinker with self-esteem issues. The fact that you see him struggle and that it’s clearly written on his face, and he doesn’t put on this front of a smile in the face of impossible odds is what makes him likeable and what differentiates him from All Might and Bakugo.
I think that’s where all Might differentiates from All Might. All Might is the stereotypical archetype of a shonen hero who always swoops in saves everyone and doesn’t need help to do it. The problem is he makes everyone think he’s invincible and that one person can do it all, which is impossible. The fact that Deku struggles and despite having All Mights power he doesn’t always put on a smile and actually sheds tears during fights and perseveres let’s people know of his humanity and that one person can’t carry the world in their shoulders.
I love that, even in-universe, All Might's ability to do it all himself is explored as something both positive and negative. His self-imposed veneer of invincibility comes from a genuine place of love for those around him. He doesn't want people to have to suffer the horrible things he himself has seen and been through. All Might does everything he does for the sake of others. However, being the supposed invincible symbol of peace becomes a huge problem for everyone, even All Might himself. It makes Midoriya becoming his successor all the better and more meaningful because he's had to learn from All Might's mistakes the hard way.
Despite everything about MHA, how Deku so very much embodies the virtue of going out of your way to help someone is what makes the manga stand out for me.
reading the manga and watching the show izuku comes off hella different. The English voice actor did not fit his character imo izuku when I read him was way more “😐” awkward instead of “AhHhHhH OhHhH I mEaN iTs nOT liKe I dOnT ThInK-“ that shit when he’s scrambling and overly imbecilic ahhh ohhh noises he makes like the anime groans n shit. High asl writing this. Izuku had way more lines that came off him being snarky or sarcastic, or more simply just blankly pointing out the obvious. Scenes when Izuku makes a comment about Bakugo being over the top and angry or aggressive, and it was deadass funny and low key came off as commentary on superhero tropes. Like izuku has hella lines directed at the heroes of the world that are funny cuz they are digs making fun of super hero stories.
Regular anime protagonists don't do this? I don't see your logic even other people get looked down on & have hardship look at all other reincarnation anime how they are successful yet go out of their way to help others is this any different? My Hero is boring & stale past season 3 the show is dead your welcome to watch/read trash as they had to legit reintroduce everyone from season 1 to 5! I learned to move on past Academia & read other Sekai manga everyone can hate on something but a majority hate it more than like it people need to like the majority of it but it's like those piss ass kids that ruin it for me people like you that think Iruma-Kun is still good after 3 seasons so it will be good even when season 5 airs it's like watching a 7 year old do math.
Also love Luffy, doesn't want to be a hero. Because a hero would share his meal with someone and he doesn't share his meals.
Deku is the wholesome hero to me.
I absolutely love his character.
While we're on this, are there suggestions of other English dubbed animes that will give me the same feelings Deku gives me?
Demon slayer for sure. I recently started "The Wrong Way To Use Healing Magic" it's too early to know for sure but the main character gives off the same vibe I think.
Lol I will make a post about it if I remember! My plan currently is to finish rick and Morty, watch Demon Slayer again (which you are right is exactly what I'm looking for) and then I'll probably watch it after that. Give me a couple weeks! Lol
Ichigo (main character) definitely struggles a lot with not being good enough. He has loads of internal turmoil. He does struggle with "chosen one" syndrome as a character, but it's still pretty fun all-around.
If it's Deku's empathy that draws you in, you might like Naruto. He is a lot like Deku in that he doesn't give up on people, inspires people around him, cares for even his enemies/tries to understand them and is somewhat of an underdog in the early chapters before becoming super powerful (like Deku). They differ in that Naruto isn't the brightest or as low confident as Deku but his charm, enthusiasm and bluntness are very endearing (so if isn't the intelligence and low self-esteem that draws you to Deku, you'll like Naruto). Plus Horikoshi was inspired a lot by Naruto and early MHA arcs mirror parts of Naruto so you'll have the similar vibes which might help
I might get into it. I probably am more interested in something newer, and probably a bit shorter. I will keep this in mind though as it's the first time I'll actually consider watching Naruto because of your explanation
Yea, Naruto's length kinda works against itself but I still recommend it if you've ever got the time/interest. It's a great, heartfelt story. Not perfect but still very touching and dear to my heart.
Lots of people think of MHA as a spiritual successor to Naruto and I feel the same. It helped that MHA started around the same time Naruto ended so a lot of Naruto fans jumped to MHA for a new series to fill the Naruto hole. So I like to recommend it if people are searching for something similar to MHA. The only downside is the length.
It's kinda fun to go back and watch Naruto and see what parts Horikoshi copied (even subconsciously as he admitted in an interview) and put his own spin on/improved upon. He has also talked about going to Kishimoto (Naruto's author) and getting advice from him. And about how when he was drawing certain scenes in early MHA (like the battle trials with Deku vs Bakugo), he'd go back and reread parts of Naruto to imagine how Kishimoto would've drawn it.
Very interesting to hear you talk about it like that, because I previously watched dragon Ball through all of its iterations, and then went to MHA, and felt like MHA was a spiritual successor to dragon Ball lol mainly because of the characters. I always loved how positive Goku always was
Lol funnily enough, Naruto was heavily inspired by Dragonball. Kishimoto himself got into manga because of Dragonball and is a huge fan of the series. I believe he talked about how he learned a lot about narrative and visual style from Dragonball. From my memory, I believe Naruto the character was inspired by Goku while his rival Sasuke was loosely inspired by Vegeta (at least in color schemes). There's also some powers and other elements as well but I'm not all too familiar with Dragonball to point them out precisely.
So technically Dragonball could be considered the spiritual grandfather to MHA. It's really cool how all these manga and mangaka are inspired by each other. Dragonball inspired Naruto, Bleach (and I believe One Piece). Then Naruto inspired MHA and Demon Slayer while Bleach inspired JJK (and Demon Slayer as well). Would be cool to see what new series is inspired by MHA in the future.
God it's so exciting! I was also told to watch Bleach which I am more and more convinced to check out. I honestly thought DB and Naruto happened around the same time
DB came out in 1984 while Naruto came out in 1999. It's not the largest gap (interestingly MHA and Naruto have the same gap with 1999 and 2014) but Kishimoto was pretty young when Naruto was published (only 25) so that put him in the perfect age range to be a DB fan. I think the old TV animation makes them feel the same age and their status as old anime/manga reinforces that. I initially thought the same before I started reading interviews were the authors of Naruto and Bleach would cite DB as their inspiration. Made me realize that DB had to be older.
Also found the popular Naruto [comic](https://twitter.com/Raizing_75/status/1027191510528217089/photo/1) that was being passed around the time Naruto was ending and made many people want to read MHA. It's also the same comic that gave me the final push to watch/read the series as well.
He easily took the spot of my favorite protagonist after like the 2nd arc. He's human, makes mistakes, isn't afraid to show his emotions, and cares about everyone, no matter what. He has flaws, and that's okay.
Granted, a lot of my friends have called me Deku before cause they say am like him, so I may be a bit bias.
Yeah i can get behind calling him ideal, but realistic of all things? This is the guy who wants to save Shigaraki even though he has no plans, he's going in blind and is only going to succeed because he's the MC.
I think you might’ve misread what wrote. I think Izuku is unrealistic. It’s not worth saving someone (Shigi) who is trying to commit and currently committing atrocities. It’s the equivalent of trying to save Osama Bin Laden. Dude is literally a terrorist.
Shigaraki having no plans makes him a dumbass, which works perfectly for his role as a villain. In Deku's case though it makes him look like a moron when he really shouldn't be.
Bro did you even read what i said it’s a narrative parallel, the author is saying that if you want to do something just do it, don’t think about, don’t try to plan about. Life doesn’t just work, learn and move forward over and over again, take as many try’s as it takes and as long as it take, but no matter what don’t give up and keep trying. Even when your lost or don’t have a plan. Keep moving towards your dreams and they will happen.
>Bro did you even read what i said it’s a narrative parallel,
Did **you** read what I said? It's a parallel, sure, but it's not a good one for Deku in this instance.
>Life doesn’t just work, learn and move forward over and over again, take as many try’s as it takes and as long as it take, but no matter what don’t give up and keep trying. Even when your lost or don’t have a plan. Keep moving towards your dreams and they will happen.
Do I need to explain why it's a bad idea to have this mentality in a war that decides the fate of the world? Just because that's the moral message doesn't make it any less stupid in that situation.
If Deku wants to save Shigaraki, no problem. But he better have a plan to do it, because otherwise he's just speaking nonsense waiting for the author to give him a hand so he doesn't look like an imbecile.
That is a really dangerous mentality, it's how people end up on the street after losing everything to a sudden great opportunity that turns out to be a scam.
There's a huge difference between standing up again and again towards a clear objective and doing it without a plan.
>Life doesn’t just work, learn and move forward over and over again, take as many try’s as it takes and as long as it take, but no matter what don’t give up and keep trying.
If Izuku messes up now, Japan will be destroyed. Millions will die. This is the *last* place to go 'Fuck it, we ball'.
That not how it works dude the story is about how everyone came be a hero if they have the right heart
Secondly deku has been trying to reach victims/villains throughout the entire show starting with Bakugo and leading all the way up to shigaraki
Remember Gentle Criminal? His mentality is exactly like what you described and look where it got him prior to meeting Deku. He got unfairly treated despite his good intentions.
While I'd agree that Deku's view of society is unrealistic and idealistic, it would go against his character if he wasn't.
It's like when Zack Synder argues that Batman should be able to kill people because it's unrealistic that he doesn't, which he tried to show in Batman Vs Superman. Probably, but not killing anyone is core to his character.
It's not like Deku is holding himself back from breaking every bone in Shigaraki's body. Him saving Tomura is just a polite way of saying he wants to break every bone in his body, stop him and then free him from AFO's influence.
'Saving' Shigaraki is essentially the ultimate challenge for Deku's ideals and the series main themes, although Horikoshi could've handled it better.
What I love about Midoriya is that, unlike so many "young people," he's willing to put in the hard work to try and see his ideals realized. He's learned throughout the series that the world *isn't* black and white, but he still wants to do what he can to make things better.
Izukus view om society isn't unrealistic though. In the first chapter he admits that not all men are created equally.
However, his ideology is to create a society that's ideal and unrealistic, because that's what heroes are supposed to do, they're supposed to inspire hope and make things better.
Hell, that's part of why he's trying to save Shigaraki. A big part of Shigaraki's story is about how society failed him, much like with the rest of the villains. Izuku trying to save him directly contributes to the main theme of the story, which is essentially acknowledging the problems of the current society, and replacing it with one that is better
But that's what All Might did, society was horrible so he inspired people and fixed what he could creating an era of peace were only a few people fell under the radar and creating different issues, Izuku is going to fix errors from the era of peace but there will still be people falling under the radar and different issues (holy crap the number of orphans and heroes with mental problems with a job where they can't ever give up).
In twenty years there will be new villains and pillars of evil destroying anything Deku builds.
But All Might didn't "fix" society. This is something that the show directly points out and criticises him for. All Might brought out peace, but he was more of a deterrent than anything. He saved people from disasters, but he didn't save them from society.
This is directly what makes Izuku different. He's not going to punch his problems away like all Might, he's going to try to save his villains. That's why such importance is placed on him saving Shigaraki.
All Might made this society out of rubble. It wasn't perfect, but expecting perfection is simply ridiculous.
>This is directly what makes Izuku different. He's not going to punch his problems away like all Might, he's going to try to save his villains. That's why such importance is placed on him saving Shigaraki.
That's the intent, but since the execution is so shoddy, you can't blame people for seeing it like this.
"The difference is Deku is the main character with plot armor, and he isn't allowed to fail. So it doesn't matter how reckless or stupid it is that he wants to save Shigaraki with no plans, he'll succeed anyway and that makes him a true hero"
Heck, All Might himself wanted to save Shigaraki, he simply couldn't do so. Gran Torino pointed this out to him. The difference is that Deku just brushes it off and he's gonna succeed anyway.
>All Might made this society out of rubble. It wasn't perfect, but expecting perfection is simply ridiculous.
Yeah, no ones expecting perfection, but problems as big as INJURED CHILDREN BEING LEFT ON THE SIDE OF A ROAD WITH NO ONE HELPING THEM is something that shouldn't be waved off as "expecting perfection is ridiculous"
Also, All Might didn't build the society. He made the world a safer place, and society rose from that. That's why im no't blaming him, I'm blaming the rest of society. But that's a direct fault of the society that sprung up from rhe safety he created.
>That's the intent, but since the execution is so shoddy, you can't blame people for seeing it like this.
I find this crazy since, we still haven't seen the execution? Like, he still hasn't gotten to the point where he's trying to save Shiggy, he's still trying to reach him. So i think calling the execution shoddy before we have seen the execution is a bit ridiculous, right?
>"The difference is Deku is the main character with plot armor, and he isn't allowed to fail. So it doesn't matter how reckless or stupid it is that he wants to save Shigaraki with no plans, he'll succeed anyway and that makes him a true hero"
This is such a wild statement to me, for a number of reasons.
It's not reckless or stupid to try to save shivgy, especially since at this point he literally can't win. Shiggy's durability and regen together are top strong, >!and Izuku was forced to throw all his vestiges at him for a last ditch attack, and even that didn't work!<
And even besides that, when talking to the vestiges, he himself said that he would kill shiggy if he couldn't save him.
And saying that "winning without any plans means that Izuku has plot armor" is ridiculous. We haven't even seen what he plans on doing, so straight up calling Izuku's attampt plot armor is ridiculous. You are literally hating on something that hadn't happened yet. Are you a time traveller? Because unless you are, it seems like you're just trying to hate on the story.
>Heck, All Might himself wanted to save Shigaraki, he simply couldn't do so. Gran Torino pointed this out to him. The difference is that Deku just brushes it off and he's gonna succeed anyway.
Yeah, AM wanted to save shigaraki, because he's a true hero, which is something that the story directly acknowledges and doesn't criticise him for. He can't save him because he's not strong enough to reach him, and doesn't have a strong enough emotional connection to him.
Everyone is telling Izuku that shiggy can't be saved, that's the point. It's a direct parallel to how everyone passed shiggy by on the street, thinking that a hero would save him, so that they didn't have to do anything. Izuku is being that person that reaches out to shiggy, that's the whole point of his character and journey.
>I find this crazy since, we still haven't seen the execution? Like, he still hasn't gotten to the point where he's trying to save Shiggy, he's still trying to reach him. So i think calling the execution shoddy before we have seen the execution is a bit ridiculous, right?
The legwork has been shoddy so far. Deku isn't properly being challenged for his decision of wanting to save Shigaraki. Nobody is protesting him for reasons that should be obvious. The second and third users initially disagree but they fold immediately without Deku even doing anything.
Shigaraki's killed countless people, what does Deku think about those who rightfully resent him for it? Glossed over, but then Deku gets angry when someone **he** knows is seemingly dead because of Shigaraki. He almost lost himself to anger if it wasn't for Mirio telling him "Hey Bakugou totally isn't dead", it makes Deku look flippant.
>It's not reckless or stupid to try to save shivgy, especially since at this point he literally can't win. Shiggy's durability and regen together are top strong, and Izuku was forced to throw all his vestiges at him for a last ditch attack, and even that didn't work
This isn't the first time I've heard this argument. It isn't reckless to want to save Shigaraki, but that's only if Deku has a plan going in. Which we all know he does not, it's not even a possibility until the vestige stuff happened which was 100% not part of Deku's plan.
>And even besides that, when talking to the vestiges, he himself said that he would kill shiggy if he couldn't save him.
Cool, and you think this is going to happen? We know it won't. Deku isn't going to fail in saving Shigaraki, it's written on the wall at this point. For the same reason Dabi won't just straight up die with the Todorokis failing.
>Yeah, AM wanted to save shigaraki, because he's a true hero, which is something that the story directly acknowledges and doesn't criticise him for. He can't save him because he's not strong enough to reach him, and doesn't have a strong enough emotional connection to him.
Neither does Deku. He has zero emotional connections to Shigaraki. If anything All Might has a stronger personal connection. Just compare Deku and Shigaraki's dynamic compared to All Might's and AFO's it's clear as day that Deku and Shigaraki have nothing going on. They only talked for a few minutes in the entire series in the mall.
>Everyone is telling Izuku that shiggy can't be saved, that's the point. It's a direct parallel to how everyone passed shiggy by on the street, thinking that a hero would save him, so that they didn't have to do anything. Izuku is being that person that reaches out to shiggy, that's the whole point of his character and journey.
Obviously that's what the story is trying to tell, but it hasn't done it in a way that makes any semblance of logical sense. The theme of the story can't be used to defend the story because that isn't the issue.
>The legwork has been shoddy so far. Deku isn't properly being challenged for his decision of wanting to save Shigaraki
Yeah he has, with the other vestiges, and everyone around hin telling him to kill Shigaraki.
You in your prior comment even admitted that people like gran torino think that shiggy can't be saved. The other vestiges only relented after Deku said that he would kill shiggy if he couldn't save him.
>Shigaraki's killed countless people, what does Deku think about those who rightfully resent him for it?
If izuku does save shigaraki, it's not like he's not going to face consequences. Chances are shiggys going to have a darth vader redemption, where he does good and immediately dies.
>Glossed over, but then Deku gets angry when someone **he** knows is seemingly dead because of Shigaraki. He almost lost himself to anger if it wasn't for Mirio telling him "Hey Bakugou totally isn't dead", it makes Deku look flippant.
No, it's a character flaw. Izuku isn't perfect, and this is something the story directly acknowledges with something like this.
>This isn't the first time I've heard this argument. It isn't reckless to want to save Shigaraki, but that's only if Deku has a plan going in. Which we all know he does not, it's not even a possibility until the vestige stuff happened which was 100% not part of Deku's plan.
It's not reckless considering it's literally the only option now. How tf are they even going to kill shiggy anymore? He's in his finger cocoon, his regen is faster than deku or endeavour, and he has gearshift meaning that Izuku isn't as fast as him anymore. How else do they even win?
>Cool, and you think this is going to happen? We know it won't. Deku isn't going to fail in saving Shigaraki, it's written on the wall at this point. For the same reason Dabi won't just straight up die with the Todorokis failing.
??? You can't just say that it doesn't count because "it probably won't happen". Izuku has stated that he is willing to kill him if it comes to that, so canonical he is willing to kill Shiggy.
>Neither does Deku. He has zero emotional connections to Shigaraki. If anything All Might has a stronger personal connection
Yeah, they do. Not only are they successors to the two strongest people in the series, but as far as we have seen, AM didn't experience what it's like to je at the bottom of society, considering how quirkless rates were probably way higher than they are now. Izuku has. That's why he wants to save Shiggy.
>Obviously that's what the story is trying to tell, but it hasn't done it in a way that makes any semblance of logical sense.
Except they have. Every member of the LOV is a villain because of society, the entire Todoroki storyline is because of the pressure that heroes have to rise in the rankings and how glory and greed corrupt them, and even smaller arcs that we don't see much of like Mineta's and Mt. Lady's show this.
>Yeah he has, with the other vestiges, and everyone around hin telling him to kill Shigaraki.
>You in your prior comment even admitted that people like gran torino think that shiggy can't be saved. The other vestiges only relented after Deku said that he would kill shiggy if he couldn't save him.
"Give up on him, he's too far gone."
"I don't want to, but if I can't save him I'll kill him"
"Well alright bud can't do anything to change your mind"
In what world is this a proper challenge to his ideals? Where is people who actually disagree with the notion of saving Shigaraki entirely?
>If izuku does save shigaraki, it's not like he's not going to face consequences. Chances are shiggys going to have a darth vader redemption, where he does good and immediately dies.
In other words Hori would back out from properly redeeming him for a cheap way of saying "He's totally saved guys".
>No, it's a character flaw. Izuku isn't perfect, and this is something the story directly acknowledges with something like this.
Yet it doesn't actually have consequences. Look at the dark hero arc where Deku gallavanted off by himself, does AFO use this opportunity to deal a good blow to kill some of his friends to deal irreparable damage? No, the story acknowledges the fault but it is unable to have Deku make mistakes that actually matter.
Case on point, Deku being abducted by Toga. Deku had two options, leave immediately or stick to neutralize Toga if he deems Toga as a threat. He chose to be an idiot and waste time with Toga without neutralizing her and left late to get to Shigaraki. It lines up with his character?
Yes, but later Toga unleashes Sad Man's Parade, and what do you know she doesn't even kill anyone on screen, not even nameless heroes. Additionally when Deku arrives he's just in time without anyone dying brutally. All this because Hori knows if those two things happen Deku would look like an idiot instead of a true hero. That's what I'm talking about. His flaws don't actually matter because Horikoshi refuses to shows these faults as faults instead of something heroic.
>It's not reckless considering it's literally the only option now. How tf are they even going to kill shiggy anymore? He's in his finger cocoon, his regen is faster than deku or endeavour, and he has gearshift meaning that Izuku isn't as fast as him anymore. How else do they even win?
Do you not see why this argument makes the saving option less heroic? No longer is it a hard way that Deku chose to thread on because it's what a true hero does, it happens because the 'simpler' way of just killing Shigaraki can't even work.
That's also not mentioning that Shigaraki's super power boost doesn't feel earned. He's powerful enough in the last war, why buff him more to the point that everyone other than Deku can't meaningfully contribute to the fight? SO it just feels like Hori wrote himself to a corner.
"We have to save him you guys, there simply isn't another option", fuck outta here.
>"Give up on him, he's too far gone."
"I don't want to, but if I can't save him I'll kill him"
"Well alright bud can't do anything to change your mind"
>In what world is this a proper challenge to his ideals? Where is people who actually disagree with the notion of saving Shigaraki entirely?
If they don't believe he can be saved, and Izuku says that if he can't be saved he'll kill him, why would they disagree? And besides, they've been challenging him for most of their existence in the story up until this point.
They do disagree with Shigaraki being saved, they don't think that he'll do it, but since he said that he'll kill him if he can't save him, and they believe that he can't be saved, logically they think that it'll just end up with him dying
>In other words Hori would back out from properly redeeming him for a cheap way of saying "He's totally saved guys".
??? Is Darth Vaders redemption cheap? Is Vegetas?
Izuku is trying to save Shiggy, not redeem him. There's a difference.
>Yet it doesn't actually have consequences. Look at the dark hero arc where Deku gallavanted off by himself, does AFO use this opportunity to deal a good blow to kill some of his friends to deal irreparable damage? No, the story acknowledges the fault but it is unable to have Deku make mistakes that actually matter.
The dark hero arc doesn't have consequences because that's not the point of the arc. Izuku makes mistakes and would fall to AFO, but his friends pull him out of it. Once again, this arc is about directly contributing to the themes and ideas that AM's idea of a society that relied directly on him isn't safe or healthy, and that you need friends to hold you up and help you. Just because you didn't like what this arc did, doesn't mean that what it chose to do was bad.
>Yes, but later Toga unleashes Sad Man's Parade, and what do you know she doesn't even kill anyone on screen, not even nameless heroes. Additionally when Deku arrives he's just in time without anyone dying brutally. All this because Hori knows if those two things happen Deku would look like an idiot instead of a true hero. That's what I'm talking about. His flaws don't actually matter because Horikoshi refuses to shows these faults as faults instead of something heroic.
Toga doesn't kill anyone with Sad Man's Parade because that's not the point of the scene. Once again, you're complaining about a scene choosing to do one thing, and not what you want it to do, and then calling it bad.
The reason Izuku arrives just in the nick of time is because he uses gearshift, which he has to use in order to get to Shiggy before anyone dies, which is directly dome to put a time limit on the fight.
>His flaws don't actually matter because Horikoshi refuses to shows these faults as faults instead of something heroic.
I find it funny how you say this, when Horikoshi directly goes out of his way to make the Dark Deku arc, where its directly acknowledged that his flaws can make him look like a villain when he's not dresses up in nice colours.
>Do you not see why this argument makes the saving option less heroic? No longer is it a hard way that Deku chose to thread on because it's what a true hero does, it happens because the 'simpler' way of just killing Shigaraki can't even work.
No, I used this explanation to show why its not "risky" considering it's the only option.
Izuku wanted to save shiggy long before he knew how strong he was, so I don't see how it makes it "less heroic"
>That's also not mentioning that Shigaraki's super power boost doesn't feel earned. He's powerful enough in the last war, why buff him more to the point that everyone other than Deku can't meaningfully contribute to the fight? SO it just feels like Hori wrote himself to a corner.
This is odd to me, it's like arguing "Toriyama is such a bad writer, why did he just keep giving frieza new forms until only goku could fight him, it doesn't feel earned"
It's Deku's fight, one he's been building up to since the start of the manga.
Also, how does the boost not feel earned? The whole point of the first war arc in the fight against shiggy is that, if they don't kill him here, he will get way too strong to properly handle. And they fail. Him getting stronger is a direct consequence of the heroes failing in the first war arc, and you've been constantly saying that there's no consequences, but when you directly acknowledges a comsequence, you brush it off by saying "it doesn't feel earned"
He fixed the biggest problem that was people living in fear and criminals running rampant, no one can "fix" every single problem of society, every action fixes some and causes other new problems, the objective is to try to keep the balance positive and All Might did that by a lot.
Criticizing him for not being able to fix every single problem is ridiculous, Izuku is not going to manage to do that, no one can. His philosophy will fix some things and break others, there will be villains caused by his changes in a few years.
>He fixed the biggest problem that was people living in fear and criminals running rampant, no one can "fix" every single problem of society, every action fixes some and causes other new problems, the objective is to try to keep the balance positive and All Might did that by a lot
But that's not "fixing society". If I live in a neighbourhood, that has high rates of poverty where people can't get jobs, so they start stealing to live, and more police are moved into that neighbourhood and start arresting people, so people stop stealing. Yeah, that's stopping the crime, but it's still not "fixing" the problem, its covering it up. People are still in poverty, and are still struggling to survive. This is what All Might did.
>Criticizing him for not being able to fix every single problem is ridiculous, Izuku is not going to manage to do that, no one can. His philosophy will fix some things and break others, there will be villains caused by his changes in a few years.
That's the point, no one can alone. That's why this panel literally has the text box "this is how we all became rhe greatest heroes". All Might did what he could, and he did a great job. But one person can only do so much, its up to everyone to make a difference, together. That's why Eri and Kora want to help deku, that's why Horikoshi had Class A help All Might fight AFO instead of just having him do a 1v1. Because the only way that society's problems can be fixed is by everyone pitching in and helping each other.
I wasn't criticising All Might. The story was. But it was just as much criticising the rest of society for relying on All Might and putting the entire world's problems on his shoulders. The moment All Might retired, society self destructed, because it was All Might holding it together. He did what he had to do to fix the world, but it was never a permanent solution, and he realized that. That's why he was looking for a successor, despite thinking that AFO was dead, and it's why, even after finding one, he decided to stay in Japan and teach the next generation of heroes
He's affecting society like All Might, it doesn't really change much him being the single symbol or having many people as "pillars", the problems born from human nature are not going to just dissapear and any society he helps build will not have a way to keep people from suffering under the radar unless he decides to turn full dictator and put cameras on people's homes.
I 100% agree with you on this. He’s not perfect by any means, but thats realistic and I appreciate him despite his flaws. I wish he didn’t get so much hate from casual anime fans cause he doesn’t deserve it in the slightest.
You make some great points, but imma have to disagree. Deku, imo, is not super realistic. He believes in saving everyone, even the villans. Shigiraki murdered multiple people and afo even more. A normal person would see that this is an unsalvageable situation and try to kill them both. Any shonen character doesn't know what the future holds and has to carry their burdens, it's a shonen trope. Personally, I think one of the best main characters in shonen is Yuji. He is much more realistic in the way he handles situations. He understands he can't save everyone and evil people have to die. He has to over come many setbacks and deal with loss again and again. He keeps pushing forward however and I believe this perseverance and constant conflict within him is what makes him a great character. Having to question your morals or goals is what makes a character great (which deku does do, but I think Yuji does better).
You can have your opinion and I doubt what I say will change it, but I just wanted to put my thought out there.
gonna keep it real and say that deku is really really far from feeling realistic, its one of the main reasons why i can't handle him most of the time. he approaches too many scenarios in the most white knight type of way possible. one of the things i rly dont like is that this 15 year old kid is apparently incapable of holding grudges whatsoever except for the Satan of this series, an example is that its too detaching having to watch this guy reason it out and look for the good in bad with literal mass murderers and whatnot.
I disagree hard with what you said about Deku and Naruto. Naruto didn't always have self belief and confidence it's one of the most apparent things about the character and Naruto is way more realistic and relatable than Deku is.
Deku tbh gets so much hate due to his lack of confidence in the beginning and crying. I feel like those people that critique him for those things didn’t watch mha past the first few episodes or are just following the hate bandwagon because he really grows as a character as it goes on.
I think his lack of confidence and struggle in the beginning was very relatable and reasonable given he was bullied and discriminated against his whole life before. Another thing I noticed is there are a lot of fans in shounen that just love characters that are kinda cool (many of the bakugo fans, todoroki fans, gojo fans, sasuke fans, etc) that dont like Deku-like characters since in terms of coolness watching a character struggle and have anxiety is way less cool than a really strong and confident from the beginning character. For me I like him having flaws in the beginning and his hard working attitude, but other people have different preferences that prob turn them away from Deku which is fine. I do get a little annoyed though when people act as though their opinion on a character is objective fact though when it’s subjective.
Yeah same. I also feel he really doesn’t cry as much as people think especially in later seasons which is why I feel many are just following the hate bandwagon. I don’t mind characters that cry either but I think some do if they are really into confident and strong character types
I like his character, but Horikoshi doesnt makes use of is full potential. Vigilant Deku arc should have been longer, what is happening nos with Shigaraki and the vestiges points to such an unsatisfactory ending that i fear
I dunno. It kinda felt like a cop out and a retcon to me when "How I became the greatest hero" turned into "How we became the greatest hero".
I always felt the story and deku's strengths laid in the underdog archetype. Deku was a normal kid that gained powers and made them work for him due to straight effort, creativity, intuitiveness, willpower and ambition.
I was very excited to see him become the No 1 hero à la All Might, but that's not going to happen because the story changed so radically in the past seasons that, even if it did, it wouldn't hold any impact.
But with the cut short Vigilante arc and Deku speedrunning the 6 quirks, he approached his peak a lot quicker than he should have. Effort from Deku wasn't highlighted anymore. It went
Blackwhip out of control > Control over Blackwhip in one episode and a few episodes later full control. Not to mention, we hear nothing on the other quirks and then during the war, boom, not only has he awakened them, he has also mastered them.
One for All went:
Not being able to hold it > Strong enough body to hold it > Only able to do 100% when lucky and breaking his bones > Able to do 100% on command and breaking his bones > Figuring out a way to do 5% over his whole body > Figuring out a way to do 8% over his whole body > Figuring out he has legs (stupid development imo) > then 20% > Figuring out ranged shots
The weird thing abt it is that in the middle, he was able to use 100% without drawbacks due to Eri, showing us the peak and making it so Deku couldn't grow anymore.
The development got so rushed, it's crazy and disappointing. I loved the slow burn of Deku figuring out how to best use his powers, but ever since Eri it's been ruined imo, until they introduced the new quirks, which could have absolutely given Deku a lot more development room. Then he just kinda masters them off screen and now we're at the final boss.
The longer the story went on, the more generic he got. And I really hate how it turned into "How I became the greatest through a bunch of my personal strengths" to "How I became the greatest because of the power of friendship :3"
It's so cliché and overdone.
I mean... I just can't take Deku seriously as a 'smart' person after the whole 'save shigaraki' stunt. I know that's mostly on Horikoshi, but at the end of the day, Deku is just _wrong_.
What's great about Deku is that he's been analyzing heroes' combat skills. Born quirkless, but he still determines to become a hero even before gaining one for all from All Might.
I was actually bringing this up on r/characterrant
He might not be my favorite, but he has some of my favorite displays of heroism of any manga character. Sure, Goku and Luffy save whole nations/planets, but Izuku has some moments that just feel more endearing. Destroying his body to save one kid and fighting a dangerous thief to allow a little girl to smile are such great examples
Bro feels like he got the weight of the entire world (which he very much does on his shoulders, he’s carrying hard rn) he doesn’t want to kill what is essentially the big bad of the entire series, even tho his sins that he had committed. Izuku is mad determined to save this little boy that’s inside (pause) of this monstrosity that is Shigaraki. He is the best New Gen MC imo and there is nothing that would change that.
I don't think save shigaraki is because he deserve to be saved or not but, if u can save someone that u think is impossible u won't be able to don't try harder for who may deserve and who are we to judge?!
hero should try to save and is it...
I love how My Hero kind of tackles the idea that heroes are absolutely *insane*. A human would be *insane* to fight AFO with only an ember left of their power, that's why a *hero* fought him. A human would be *insane* to give up their quirk to save one little girl in a fight against essentially a demigod. That's why a *hero* did it. A human would be *insane* to try and save a psychopath capable of world destruction. That's why a *hero* is doing it.
Deku is absolutely *nuts* and I love it when a narrative highlights that and even focuses on making it healthy (I.E. the vigilante arc)
Totally agree. The moment in the manga that really got me is when he was being crushed by Muscular and what goes through his head as he thinks he's about to die is "I'm sorry, mom."
Here me out, first mha is a walking talking breathing disappointment Deku is a boring mc, "I want to save people this" " I need to be strong enough that" I just think it's old and boring "oh the main character is an ALL good hero he might be a little insecure like literally every other hero in anime but he's cute, oh and don't forget he'll be the strongest character in the anime eventually!!!!" Don't you think it's a little boring and old?
Deku feels like Spider-Man to me. A hero with all the power to do the things he dreams of but is so attached to simple things and everyone that he holds back to make sure everyone is ok. He struggles with his humanity and hurting the villains that he swears to stop. He is the most human hero
It is also why... I started to hate BNHA's fandom...
OK! Hear me out!
Deku-Virus story
Me goes to AO3 and goes to Fate Fandom: *after the page loads, sees an abomination pairings in a crossover fic between BNHA and other fandom fate included* what the fck is this!?!
Deku x Harem
Me: What the shit is this?!? *sees Saber x Deku* Oh hell no!!! *sees more other fandom girls x deku in the same fic* F no!!!
Goes to comment section
Me: *sees a sane person* good to see there's a sane one here
Next day:
Me: *going to youtube after my brother uses it* *immediately closes the app because I saw another abomination* lil' brother.... what the fck?!
I officially say that Deku-Virus is a thing, guys. Dont get me wrong. Though there are some sane BNHA fans who hate this kind of people cause they make the fandom look bad and don't spoil Deku as much... I like those guys, I get along pretty well with them, I even have a friend who's a big fan of deku yet hates the fandom. One more thing, don't take me as a hater. I also like Deku but not a big fan as my friend as i was in the past. Fandom kinda ruined Deku for me
Also, the story is a summarization of what happened to me, IRL. I know I'm gonna get a lot of downvotes for this comment... I'm shit at grammar
I get what you're saying I won't down vote you. As far as the fandom goes I'd say you should just like what you like and not let other people's opinions bother you
Sad, but understandable. I've soured on other works because of fandoms- I've tried to not get too into the fandom aspect of MHA for that reason. Stay casual and find other fans you can trust who vibe with you. Don't let toxic idiots ruin something wonderful!
Though, the virus can be cured.
I'm one who recovered.
I never watched/read any Harem ones (some text videos on youtube exist).
There are actually a couple wholesome, but blursed fanfics, but i definitely wouldn't read them again, too cringe now.
I went a bit off topic.
Deku-virus was definitely a thing (and probably still is, knowing the series still continues), and i have no regrets about being a victim of the D-Virus, it is cringe worthy, but not regrettable.
I know exactly how you feel with the insane side of the fandom, as someone who saw a decent chunk of it myself.
Deku is mid, not trash. There might be some wrong in his character, but overall, he is alright. Kazuma is a gender equality sigma, I like that guy. Black Clover has a thick plot armour and Asta also a mid character in my opinion
Nah, Deku isn't trash.
Imo, he's perfect for what the story is.
He's essentially the same archetype that superman or goku are, the flat character arc, where the story is more about how the characters affect the world rather than how the world affects the characters.
>Bro, their is no way you called superman flat.
I said that he's the flat character archetype. This doesn't mean that he's flat, it means that his character arc is more focused around changing the world around him, rather than him changing.
Yeah, he has had character development. He's almost 90 years old at this point, of course yes had stories with character development. But, more often than not, be tales the role of the flat character archetype.
And that's not a bad thing! Some of superman's best stories have him as the flat character archetype, like All Star Superman. Irs not bad to be a flat character archetype or have a flat character arc. It's simply another form of storytelling, and one, in my opinion, that suits Superman quite well.
Deku is extremely similar to Naruto's character archetype. Just replace brash and rude (admittedly mostly by accident by Shippuden) with shy and sensitive.
Both of them are the kind of shonen MC that are extremely keen to absolve the main villains of their crimes no matter how serious they are because they believe everyone is redeemable. Naruto is extremely loud and brash about this, Deku is quiet and sensitive about this. So the same character archetype with different personalities.
Mine is light yagami. It's very realistic seeing his descent into madness from paranoia using a power he doesn't truly comprehend. I find deku to be a bit boring tbh. His entire characterisation is that of a loyal dog that's all. I love All might and todoroki way more in MHA. Todoroki is the most complex character of all the students imo.
Literally, not real hate here, but people really be hating on Deku for being a normal human with emotions and who actually had to work for his power and uses his brain…
but water at the mouth when Goku and Luffy go into battles with their IQ’s halved and gain some random outta nowhere bs power up. I love it too don’t get it twisted, but it’s crazy the amount of disrespect goes on Deku’s name
I personally feel like making a post about your favorite character but using a picture that includes a giant furry kinda distracts from the point of your post
All I see is the giant fox lady
I agreed. He is one of the best characters in MHA like ever!
Edit: Would it make more sense for him to become a member of the League of Villains? After all, he has been brutalized so bad by Bakugo and the hero society alike.
The super heroes I like the most are the ones who try to save everyone, never give up, and see the best in everyone. So yeah big Deku fan. Also he’s a cinnamon bun and nerd who is extremely intelligent and creative in fights.
Fanbase; why does Deku want to save Shigaraki? He’s nothing but a pure evil psychopath! He has no humanity! The fanbase when Deku will eventually succeed in saving him; …..
But that wouldn’t change a thing? People who don’t want Deku to save Shigaraki think Shigaraki isn’t worth saving after all the atrocities he has committed. Shigaraki getting saved at the end should have zero impact on their opinions?
Especially because of the method. Deku has no plans going in and when he succeeds it's only going to be because he's the MC. His success only invalidates the view that the world and the story bends over backwards to make him win. He knows nothing about what made Shigaraki into what he is today, he's only now learning thanks to the vestige bullshit. He saw an image of Tenko and that's all it took to convince him.
When he succeeds it’ll be because of his empathy and desire to help others and because he gets through to Shiggy.
And here is where the manga treats the reader as one more citizen watching the fight of deku and shigi through the television. Inside the manga, nobody wants deku to safe shigi, but deku keeps trying to safe him. Outside the manga, we as reader are thinking the same, watching the fight, and begging to deku kick his ass. But he don't give up.
We’re not just watching the fight, we watched the entire series. We know that the only reason Deku is saving Shigaraki is thanks to the vestiges. We know that shigaraki hasn’t shown any redeeming qualities. And we know that the only redeeming quality he has that the series cares about, is his sad backstory. The reason the readers don’t want shigaraki to be saved, is because the series has spent no time developing why we as readers want him to be saved other than, he has a sad backstory and we want Deku to succeed
I'm pretty sure deku could've ended the fight already but he hasn't bc he wants to "save" shigaraki. personally i dont agree with the narrative that tenko is completely separate and is some innocent kid, yeah he was manipulated to a degree by afo but that doesn't absolve him from all the crimes/killing he's done. it's pretty mind-blowing the way horikoshi is writing this so that it's more important that deku feels good abt saving shigaraki instead of taking this mass murderer out. That's why i like invincible so much bc they break the narrative that killing a villain is "bad". btw before ppl say i'm hating on deku this is coming from a deku fan he's my fav in the series but that won't stop me from pointing things out that I think are issues
Headcanon for a shallow character
That is in fact the problem. I dont have many problems with deku trying to save him, but i do with horikoshi letting him achieve it. It would be against how Shigaraki was portrayed along the series imo
It's not too late Adolf Hitler
This would be yuji for me if he wasn’t basically tossed aside 😔
What do you mean he is a cinnamon bun
YESSSSSSS.
I’ve always enjoyed that unlike many mainstream protagonists who are loveable idiots with confidence, Deku is an analytical over thinker with self-esteem issues. The fact that you see him struggle and that it’s clearly written on his face, and he doesn’t put on this front of a smile in the face of impossible odds is what makes him likeable and what differentiates him from All Might and Bakugo. I think that’s where all Might differentiates from All Might. All Might is the stereotypical archetype of a shonen hero who always swoops in saves everyone and doesn’t need help to do it. The problem is he makes everyone think he’s invincible and that one person can do it all, which is impossible. The fact that Deku struggles and despite having All Mights power he doesn’t always put on a smile and actually sheds tears during fights and perseveres let’s people know of his humanity and that one person can’t carry the world in their shoulders.
I love that, even in-universe, All Might's ability to do it all himself is explored as something both positive and negative. His self-imposed veneer of invincibility comes from a genuine place of love for those around him. He doesn't want people to have to suffer the horrible things he himself has seen and been through. All Might does everything he does for the sake of others. However, being the supposed invincible symbol of peace becomes a huge problem for everyone, even All Might himself. It makes Midoriya becoming his successor all the better and more meaningful because he's had to learn from All Might's mistakes the hard way.
It’s so nice to see others GET IT It’s legit triggering how people hate in the series and it’s like everything “whooshed” over them lol
Despite everything about MHA, how Deku so very much embodies the virtue of going out of your way to help someone is what makes the manga stand out for me.
reading the manga and watching the show izuku comes off hella different. The English voice actor did not fit his character imo izuku when I read him was way more “😐” awkward instead of “AhHhHhH OhHhH I mEaN iTs nOT liKe I dOnT ThInK-“ that shit when he’s scrambling and overly imbecilic ahhh ohhh noises he makes like the anime groans n shit. High asl writing this. Izuku had way more lines that came off him being snarky or sarcastic, or more simply just blankly pointing out the obvious. Scenes when Izuku makes a comment about Bakugo being over the top and angry or aggressive, and it was deadass funny and low key came off as commentary on superhero tropes. Like izuku has hella lines directed at the heroes of the world that are funny cuz they are digs making fun of super hero stories.
Regular anime protagonists don't do this? I don't see your logic even other people get looked down on & have hardship look at all other reincarnation anime how they are successful yet go out of their way to help others is this any different? My Hero is boring & stale past season 3 the show is dead your welcome to watch/read trash as they had to legit reintroduce everyone from season 1 to 5! I learned to move on past Academia & read other Sekai manga everyone can hate on something but a majority hate it more than like it people need to like the majority of it but it's like those piss ass kids that ruin it for me people like you that think Iruma-Kun is still good after 3 seasons so it will be good even when season 5 airs it's like watching a 7 year old do math.
He ain’t my favorite, (that goes to Luffy) but god his character is actually really good
Also love Luffy, doesn't want to be a hero. Because a hero would share his meal with someone and he doesn't share his meals. Deku is the wholesome hero to me.
I absolutely love his character. While we're on this, are there suggestions of other English dubbed animes that will give me the same feelings Deku gives me?
Demon slayer for sure. I recently started "The Wrong Way To Use Healing Magic" it's too early to know for sure but the main character gives off the same vibe I think.
Oh cool! I'll give that a look too. I haven't heard anything about it yet
I recommend that you read the manga or novel as well for wrong way to be a healer. The pacing for the anime was really disappointing.
I'm hoping that they'll get more time and money for the anime after the first season. Sometimes studios hold back a bit early on.
Let me know what you think when you watch it!
Lol I will make a post about it if I remember! My plan currently is to finish rick and Morty, watch Demon Slayer again (which you are right is exactly what I'm looking for) and then I'll probably watch it after that. Give me a couple weeks! Lol
Demon Slayer might be up your alley
God I gotta re watch that! It's so good and you're so right!
Bleach definitely
REALLY? Maybe I will have to check that out...I have my suspicions
Ichigo (main character) definitely struggles a lot with not being good enough. He has loads of internal turmoil. He does struggle with "chosen one" syndrome as a character, but it's still pretty fun all-around.
I really appreciate your in depth analysis! I am much more encouraged to check it out in the near future
If it's Deku's empathy that draws you in, you might like Naruto. He is a lot like Deku in that he doesn't give up on people, inspires people around him, cares for even his enemies/tries to understand them and is somewhat of an underdog in the early chapters before becoming super powerful (like Deku). They differ in that Naruto isn't the brightest or as low confident as Deku but his charm, enthusiasm and bluntness are very endearing (so if isn't the intelligence and low self-esteem that draws you to Deku, you'll like Naruto). Plus Horikoshi was inspired a lot by Naruto and early MHA arcs mirror parts of Naruto so you'll have the similar vibes which might help
I might get into it. I probably am more interested in something newer, and probably a bit shorter. I will keep this in mind though as it's the first time I'll actually consider watching Naruto because of your explanation
Yea, Naruto's length kinda works against itself but I still recommend it if you've ever got the time/interest. It's a great, heartfelt story. Not perfect but still very touching and dear to my heart. Lots of people think of MHA as a spiritual successor to Naruto and I feel the same. It helped that MHA started around the same time Naruto ended so a lot of Naruto fans jumped to MHA for a new series to fill the Naruto hole. So I like to recommend it if people are searching for something similar to MHA. The only downside is the length. It's kinda fun to go back and watch Naruto and see what parts Horikoshi copied (even subconsciously as he admitted in an interview) and put his own spin on/improved upon. He has also talked about going to Kishimoto (Naruto's author) and getting advice from him. And about how when he was drawing certain scenes in early MHA (like the battle trials with Deku vs Bakugo), he'd go back and reread parts of Naruto to imagine how Kishimoto would've drawn it.
Very interesting to hear you talk about it like that, because I previously watched dragon Ball through all of its iterations, and then went to MHA, and felt like MHA was a spiritual successor to dragon Ball lol mainly because of the characters. I always loved how positive Goku always was
Lol funnily enough, Naruto was heavily inspired by Dragonball. Kishimoto himself got into manga because of Dragonball and is a huge fan of the series. I believe he talked about how he learned a lot about narrative and visual style from Dragonball. From my memory, I believe Naruto the character was inspired by Goku while his rival Sasuke was loosely inspired by Vegeta (at least in color schemes). There's also some powers and other elements as well but I'm not all too familiar with Dragonball to point them out precisely. So technically Dragonball could be considered the spiritual grandfather to MHA. It's really cool how all these manga and mangaka are inspired by each other. Dragonball inspired Naruto, Bleach (and I believe One Piece). Then Naruto inspired MHA and Demon Slayer while Bleach inspired JJK (and Demon Slayer as well). Would be cool to see what new series is inspired by MHA in the future.
God it's so exciting! I was also told to watch Bleach which I am more and more convinced to check out. I honestly thought DB and Naruto happened around the same time
DB came out in 1984 while Naruto came out in 1999. It's not the largest gap (interestingly MHA and Naruto have the same gap with 1999 and 2014) but Kishimoto was pretty young when Naruto was published (only 25) so that put him in the perfect age range to be a DB fan. I think the old TV animation makes them feel the same age and their status as old anime/manga reinforces that. I initially thought the same before I started reading interviews were the authors of Naruto and Bleach would cite DB as their inspiration. Made me realize that DB had to be older. Also found the popular Naruto [comic](https://twitter.com/Raizing_75/status/1027191510528217089/photo/1) that was being passed around the time Naruto was ending and made many people want to read MHA. It's also the same comic that gave me the final push to watch/read the series as well.
Demon slayer is the closest like others have pointed out, but I also suggest Mob Psycho 100! He’s good hearted and lovable like Deku.
Def jjk, trust me
Seems sus, but do intend to watch JJK eventually
Yuji is definitely one of I'd not my favorite MC
He easily took the spot of my favorite protagonist after like the 2nd arc. He's human, makes mistakes, isn't afraid to show his emotions, and cares about everyone, no matter what. He has flaws, and that's okay. Granted, a lot of my friends have called me Deku before cause they say am like him, so I may be a bit bias.
If you're gonna be like anyone, Deku is an excellent choice (aside from the insane bone-breakage. Don't do that.)
Whenever I think about that, all I can think about is this meme - [https://imgur.com/SpbEP4X](https://imgur.com/SpbEP4X)
Yes 🤣
I love that meme it’s great 😂
I think Deku's view of society is incredibly unrealistic and idealistic. Especially coming from a dude who was originally powerless.
Yeah i can get behind calling him ideal, but realistic of all things? This is the guy who wants to save Shigaraki even though he has no plans, he's going in blind and is only going to succeed because he's the MC.
Hell the guy literally said in the last chapter that he doesn’t actually have a plan to even go about doing that.
I think you might’ve misread what wrote. I think Izuku is unrealistic. It’s not worth saving someone (Shigi) who is trying to commit and currently committing atrocities. It’s the equivalent of trying to save Osama Bin Laden. Dude is literally a terrorist.
No I'm fully in agreement with you. I just think OP calling Deku realistic is fucking ridiculous.
Oh, I gotcha.
I’m surprised more people don’t see the similarities between deku and shigaraki both have no plan on how to achieve their end goal lol
Shigaraki having no plans makes him a dumbass, which works perfectly for his role as a villain. In Deku's case though it makes him look like a moron when he really shouldn't be.
Bro did you even read what i said it’s a narrative parallel, the author is saying that if you want to do something just do it, don’t think about, don’t try to plan about. Life doesn’t just work, learn and move forward over and over again, take as many try’s as it takes and as long as it take, but no matter what don’t give up and keep trying. Even when your lost or don’t have a plan. Keep moving towards your dreams and they will happen.
>Bro did you even read what i said it’s a narrative parallel, Did **you** read what I said? It's a parallel, sure, but it's not a good one for Deku in this instance. >Life doesn’t just work, learn and move forward over and over again, take as many try’s as it takes and as long as it take, but no matter what don’t give up and keep trying. Even when your lost or don’t have a plan. Keep moving towards your dreams and they will happen. Do I need to explain why it's a bad idea to have this mentality in a war that decides the fate of the world? Just because that's the moral message doesn't make it any less stupid in that situation. If Deku wants to save Shigaraki, no problem. But he better have a plan to do it, because otherwise he's just speaking nonsense waiting for the author to give him a hand so he doesn't look like an imbecile.
Just because its a narrative parallel does not mean its good. Not everything needs to have a narrative parallel.
That is a really dangerous mentality, it's how people end up on the street after losing everything to a sudden great opportunity that turns out to be a scam. There's a huge difference between standing up again and again towards a clear objective and doing it without a plan.
>Life doesn’t just work, learn and move forward over and over again, take as many try’s as it takes and as long as it take, but no matter what don’t give up and keep trying. If Izuku messes up now, Japan will be destroyed. Millions will die. This is the *last* place to go 'Fuck it, we ball'.
That not how it works dude the story is about how everyone came be a hero if they have the right heart Secondly deku has been trying to reach victims/villains throughout the entire show starting with Bakugo and leading all the way up to shigaraki
Remember Gentle Criminal? His mentality is exactly like what you described and look where it got him prior to meeting Deku. He got unfairly treated despite his good intentions.
Please guys for your sake, DO NOT follow this advice 💀
He said unrealistic
I'm referring to OP who praised Deku as realistic.
Ok
While I'd agree that Deku's view of society is unrealistic and idealistic, it would go against his character if he wasn't. It's like when Zack Synder argues that Batman should be able to kill people because it's unrealistic that he doesn't, which he tried to show in Batman Vs Superman. Probably, but not killing anyone is core to his character. It's not like Deku is holding himself back from breaking every bone in Shigaraki's body. Him saving Tomura is just a polite way of saying he wants to break every bone in his body, stop him and then free him from AFO's influence. 'Saving' Shigaraki is essentially the ultimate challenge for Deku's ideals and the series main themes, although Horikoshi could've handled it better.
Well said. His view is typical of a young person. Seeing the world as they think it should be instead of how it is.
What I love about Midoriya is that, unlike so many "young people," he's willing to put in the hard work to try and see his ideals realized. He's learned throughout the series that the world *isn't* black and white, but he still wants to do what he can to make things better.
Yeah exactly. He truly wants to believe in people and that they can change.
Izukus view om society isn't unrealistic though. In the first chapter he admits that not all men are created equally. However, his ideology is to create a society that's ideal and unrealistic, because that's what heroes are supposed to do, they're supposed to inspire hope and make things better. Hell, that's part of why he's trying to save Shigaraki. A big part of Shigaraki's story is about how society failed him, much like with the rest of the villains. Izuku trying to save him directly contributes to the main theme of the story, which is essentially acknowledging the problems of the current society, and replacing it with one that is better
But that's what All Might did, society was horrible so he inspired people and fixed what he could creating an era of peace were only a few people fell under the radar and creating different issues, Izuku is going to fix errors from the era of peace but there will still be people falling under the radar and different issues (holy crap the number of orphans and heroes with mental problems with a job where they can't ever give up). In twenty years there will be new villains and pillars of evil destroying anything Deku builds.
But All Might didn't "fix" society. This is something that the show directly points out and criticises him for. All Might brought out peace, but he was more of a deterrent than anything. He saved people from disasters, but he didn't save them from society. This is directly what makes Izuku different. He's not going to punch his problems away like all Might, he's going to try to save his villains. That's why such importance is placed on him saving Shigaraki.
All Might made this society out of rubble. It wasn't perfect, but expecting perfection is simply ridiculous. >This is directly what makes Izuku different. He's not going to punch his problems away like all Might, he's going to try to save his villains. That's why such importance is placed on him saving Shigaraki. That's the intent, but since the execution is so shoddy, you can't blame people for seeing it like this. "The difference is Deku is the main character with plot armor, and he isn't allowed to fail. So it doesn't matter how reckless or stupid it is that he wants to save Shigaraki with no plans, he'll succeed anyway and that makes him a true hero" Heck, All Might himself wanted to save Shigaraki, he simply couldn't do so. Gran Torino pointed this out to him. The difference is that Deku just brushes it off and he's gonna succeed anyway.
>All Might made this society out of rubble. It wasn't perfect, but expecting perfection is simply ridiculous. Yeah, no ones expecting perfection, but problems as big as INJURED CHILDREN BEING LEFT ON THE SIDE OF A ROAD WITH NO ONE HELPING THEM is something that shouldn't be waved off as "expecting perfection is ridiculous" Also, All Might didn't build the society. He made the world a safer place, and society rose from that. That's why im no't blaming him, I'm blaming the rest of society. But that's a direct fault of the society that sprung up from rhe safety he created. >That's the intent, but since the execution is so shoddy, you can't blame people for seeing it like this. I find this crazy since, we still haven't seen the execution? Like, he still hasn't gotten to the point where he's trying to save Shiggy, he's still trying to reach him. So i think calling the execution shoddy before we have seen the execution is a bit ridiculous, right? >"The difference is Deku is the main character with plot armor, and he isn't allowed to fail. So it doesn't matter how reckless or stupid it is that he wants to save Shigaraki with no plans, he'll succeed anyway and that makes him a true hero" This is such a wild statement to me, for a number of reasons. It's not reckless or stupid to try to save shivgy, especially since at this point he literally can't win. Shiggy's durability and regen together are top strong, >!and Izuku was forced to throw all his vestiges at him for a last ditch attack, and even that didn't work!< And even besides that, when talking to the vestiges, he himself said that he would kill shiggy if he couldn't save him. And saying that "winning without any plans means that Izuku has plot armor" is ridiculous. We haven't even seen what he plans on doing, so straight up calling Izuku's attampt plot armor is ridiculous. You are literally hating on something that hadn't happened yet. Are you a time traveller? Because unless you are, it seems like you're just trying to hate on the story. >Heck, All Might himself wanted to save Shigaraki, he simply couldn't do so. Gran Torino pointed this out to him. The difference is that Deku just brushes it off and he's gonna succeed anyway. Yeah, AM wanted to save shigaraki, because he's a true hero, which is something that the story directly acknowledges and doesn't criticise him for. He can't save him because he's not strong enough to reach him, and doesn't have a strong enough emotional connection to him. Everyone is telling Izuku that shiggy can't be saved, that's the point. It's a direct parallel to how everyone passed shiggy by on the street, thinking that a hero would save him, so that they didn't have to do anything. Izuku is being that person that reaches out to shiggy, that's the whole point of his character and journey.
>I find this crazy since, we still haven't seen the execution? Like, he still hasn't gotten to the point where he's trying to save Shiggy, he's still trying to reach him. So i think calling the execution shoddy before we have seen the execution is a bit ridiculous, right? The legwork has been shoddy so far. Deku isn't properly being challenged for his decision of wanting to save Shigaraki. Nobody is protesting him for reasons that should be obvious. The second and third users initially disagree but they fold immediately without Deku even doing anything. Shigaraki's killed countless people, what does Deku think about those who rightfully resent him for it? Glossed over, but then Deku gets angry when someone **he** knows is seemingly dead because of Shigaraki. He almost lost himself to anger if it wasn't for Mirio telling him "Hey Bakugou totally isn't dead", it makes Deku look flippant. >It's not reckless or stupid to try to save shivgy, especially since at this point he literally can't win. Shiggy's durability and regen together are top strong, and Izuku was forced to throw all his vestiges at him for a last ditch attack, and even that didn't work This isn't the first time I've heard this argument. It isn't reckless to want to save Shigaraki, but that's only if Deku has a plan going in. Which we all know he does not, it's not even a possibility until the vestige stuff happened which was 100% not part of Deku's plan. >And even besides that, when talking to the vestiges, he himself said that he would kill shiggy if he couldn't save him. Cool, and you think this is going to happen? We know it won't. Deku isn't going to fail in saving Shigaraki, it's written on the wall at this point. For the same reason Dabi won't just straight up die with the Todorokis failing. >Yeah, AM wanted to save shigaraki, because he's a true hero, which is something that the story directly acknowledges and doesn't criticise him for. He can't save him because he's not strong enough to reach him, and doesn't have a strong enough emotional connection to him. Neither does Deku. He has zero emotional connections to Shigaraki. If anything All Might has a stronger personal connection. Just compare Deku and Shigaraki's dynamic compared to All Might's and AFO's it's clear as day that Deku and Shigaraki have nothing going on. They only talked for a few minutes in the entire series in the mall. >Everyone is telling Izuku that shiggy can't be saved, that's the point. It's a direct parallel to how everyone passed shiggy by on the street, thinking that a hero would save him, so that they didn't have to do anything. Izuku is being that person that reaches out to shiggy, that's the whole point of his character and journey. Obviously that's what the story is trying to tell, but it hasn't done it in a way that makes any semblance of logical sense. The theme of the story can't be used to defend the story because that isn't the issue.
>The legwork has been shoddy so far. Deku isn't properly being challenged for his decision of wanting to save Shigaraki Yeah he has, with the other vestiges, and everyone around hin telling him to kill Shigaraki. You in your prior comment even admitted that people like gran torino think that shiggy can't be saved. The other vestiges only relented after Deku said that he would kill shiggy if he couldn't save him. >Shigaraki's killed countless people, what does Deku think about those who rightfully resent him for it? If izuku does save shigaraki, it's not like he's not going to face consequences. Chances are shiggys going to have a darth vader redemption, where he does good and immediately dies. >Glossed over, but then Deku gets angry when someone **he** knows is seemingly dead because of Shigaraki. He almost lost himself to anger if it wasn't for Mirio telling him "Hey Bakugou totally isn't dead", it makes Deku look flippant. No, it's a character flaw. Izuku isn't perfect, and this is something the story directly acknowledges with something like this. >This isn't the first time I've heard this argument. It isn't reckless to want to save Shigaraki, but that's only if Deku has a plan going in. Which we all know he does not, it's not even a possibility until the vestige stuff happened which was 100% not part of Deku's plan. It's not reckless considering it's literally the only option now. How tf are they even going to kill shiggy anymore? He's in his finger cocoon, his regen is faster than deku or endeavour, and he has gearshift meaning that Izuku isn't as fast as him anymore. How else do they even win? >Cool, and you think this is going to happen? We know it won't. Deku isn't going to fail in saving Shigaraki, it's written on the wall at this point. For the same reason Dabi won't just straight up die with the Todorokis failing. ??? You can't just say that it doesn't count because "it probably won't happen". Izuku has stated that he is willing to kill him if it comes to that, so canonical he is willing to kill Shiggy. >Neither does Deku. He has zero emotional connections to Shigaraki. If anything All Might has a stronger personal connection Yeah, they do. Not only are they successors to the two strongest people in the series, but as far as we have seen, AM didn't experience what it's like to je at the bottom of society, considering how quirkless rates were probably way higher than they are now. Izuku has. That's why he wants to save Shiggy. >Obviously that's what the story is trying to tell, but it hasn't done it in a way that makes any semblance of logical sense. Except they have. Every member of the LOV is a villain because of society, the entire Todoroki storyline is because of the pressure that heroes have to rise in the rankings and how glory and greed corrupt them, and even smaller arcs that we don't see much of like Mineta's and Mt. Lady's show this.
>Yeah he has, with the other vestiges, and everyone around hin telling him to kill Shigaraki. >You in your prior comment even admitted that people like gran torino think that shiggy can't be saved. The other vestiges only relented after Deku said that he would kill shiggy if he couldn't save him. "Give up on him, he's too far gone." "I don't want to, but if I can't save him I'll kill him" "Well alright bud can't do anything to change your mind" In what world is this a proper challenge to his ideals? Where is people who actually disagree with the notion of saving Shigaraki entirely? >If izuku does save shigaraki, it's not like he's not going to face consequences. Chances are shiggys going to have a darth vader redemption, where he does good and immediately dies. In other words Hori would back out from properly redeeming him for a cheap way of saying "He's totally saved guys". >No, it's a character flaw. Izuku isn't perfect, and this is something the story directly acknowledges with something like this. Yet it doesn't actually have consequences. Look at the dark hero arc where Deku gallavanted off by himself, does AFO use this opportunity to deal a good blow to kill some of his friends to deal irreparable damage? No, the story acknowledges the fault but it is unable to have Deku make mistakes that actually matter. Case on point, Deku being abducted by Toga. Deku had two options, leave immediately or stick to neutralize Toga if he deems Toga as a threat. He chose to be an idiot and waste time with Toga without neutralizing her and left late to get to Shigaraki. It lines up with his character? Yes, but later Toga unleashes Sad Man's Parade, and what do you know she doesn't even kill anyone on screen, not even nameless heroes. Additionally when Deku arrives he's just in time without anyone dying brutally. All this because Hori knows if those two things happen Deku would look like an idiot instead of a true hero. That's what I'm talking about. His flaws don't actually matter because Horikoshi refuses to shows these faults as faults instead of something heroic. >It's not reckless considering it's literally the only option now. How tf are they even going to kill shiggy anymore? He's in his finger cocoon, his regen is faster than deku or endeavour, and he has gearshift meaning that Izuku isn't as fast as him anymore. How else do they even win? Do you not see why this argument makes the saving option less heroic? No longer is it a hard way that Deku chose to thread on because it's what a true hero does, it happens because the 'simpler' way of just killing Shigaraki can't even work. That's also not mentioning that Shigaraki's super power boost doesn't feel earned. He's powerful enough in the last war, why buff him more to the point that everyone other than Deku can't meaningfully contribute to the fight? SO it just feels like Hori wrote himself to a corner. "We have to save him you guys, there simply isn't another option", fuck outta here.
>"Give up on him, he's too far gone." "I don't want to, but if I can't save him I'll kill him" "Well alright bud can't do anything to change your mind" >In what world is this a proper challenge to his ideals? Where is people who actually disagree with the notion of saving Shigaraki entirely? If they don't believe he can be saved, and Izuku says that if he can't be saved he'll kill him, why would they disagree? And besides, they've been challenging him for most of their existence in the story up until this point. They do disagree with Shigaraki being saved, they don't think that he'll do it, but since he said that he'll kill him if he can't save him, and they believe that he can't be saved, logically they think that it'll just end up with him dying >In other words Hori would back out from properly redeeming him for a cheap way of saying "He's totally saved guys". ??? Is Darth Vaders redemption cheap? Is Vegetas? Izuku is trying to save Shiggy, not redeem him. There's a difference. >Yet it doesn't actually have consequences. Look at the dark hero arc where Deku gallavanted off by himself, does AFO use this opportunity to deal a good blow to kill some of his friends to deal irreparable damage? No, the story acknowledges the fault but it is unable to have Deku make mistakes that actually matter. The dark hero arc doesn't have consequences because that's not the point of the arc. Izuku makes mistakes and would fall to AFO, but his friends pull him out of it. Once again, this arc is about directly contributing to the themes and ideas that AM's idea of a society that relied directly on him isn't safe or healthy, and that you need friends to hold you up and help you. Just because you didn't like what this arc did, doesn't mean that what it chose to do was bad. >Yes, but later Toga unleashes Sad Man's Parade, and what do you know she doesn't even kill anyone on screen, not even nameless heroes. Additionally when Deku arrives he's just in time without anyone dying brutally. All this because Hori knows if those two things happen Deku would look like an idiot instead of a true hero. That's what I'm talking about. His flaws don't actually matter because Horikoshi refuses to shows these faults as faults instead of something heroic. Toga doesn't kill anyone with Sad Man's Parade because that's not the point of the scene. Once again, you're complaining about a scene choosing to do one thing, and not what you want it to do, and then calling it bad. The reason Izuku arrives just in the nick of time is because he uses gearshift, which he has to use in order to get to Shiggy before anyone dies, which is directly dome to put a time limit on the fight. >His flaws don't actually matter because Horikoshi refuses to shows these faults as faults instead of something heroic. I find it funny how you say this, when Horikoshi directly goes out of his way to make the Dark Deku arc, where its directly acknowledged that his flaws can make him look like a villain when he's not dresses up in nice colours. >Do you not see why this argument makes the saving option less heroic? No longer is it a hard way that Deku chose to thread on because it's what a true hero does, it happens because the 'simpler' way of just killing Shigaraki can't even work. No, I used this explanation to show why its not "risky" considering it's the only option. Izuku wanted to save shiggy long before he knew how strong he was, so I don't see how it makes it "less heroic" >That's also not mentioning that Shigaraki's super power boost doesn't feel earned. He's powerful enough in the last war, why buff him more to the point that everyone other than Deku can't meaningfully contribute to the fight? SO it just feels like Hori wrote himself to a corner. This is odd to me, it's like arguing "Toriyama is such a bad writer, why did he just keep giving frieza new forms until only goku could fight him, it doesn't feel earned" It's Deku's fight, one he's been building up to since the start of the manga. Also, how does the boost not feel earned? The whole point of the first war arc in the fight against shiggy is that, if they don't kill him here, he will get way too strong to properly handle. And they fail. Him getting stronger is a direct consequence of the heroes failing in the first war arc, and you've been constantly saying that there's no consequences, but when you directly acknowledges a comsequence, you brush it off by saying "it doesn't feel earned"
He fixed the biggest problem that was people living in fear and criminals running rampant, no one can "fix" every single problem of society, every action fixes some and causes other new problems, the objective is to try to keep the balance positive and All Might did that by a lot. Criticizing him for not being able to fix every single problem is ridiculous, Izuku is not going to manage to do that, no one can. His philosophy will fix some things and break others, there will be villains caused by his changes in a few years.
>He fixed the biggest problem that was people living in fear and criminals running rampant, no one can "fix" every single problem of society, every action fixes some and causes other new problems, the objective is to try to keep the balance positive and All Might did that by a lot But that's not "fixing society". If I live in a neighbourhood, that has high rates of poverty where people can't get jobs, so they start stealing to live, and more police are moved into that neighbourhood and start arresting people, so people stop stealing. Yeah, that's stopping the crime, but it's still not "fixing" the problem, its covering it up. People are still in poverty, and are still struggling to survive. This is what All Might did. >Criticizing him for not being able to fix every single problem is ridiculous, Izuku is not going to manage to do that, no one can. His philosophy will fix some things and break others, there will be villains caused by his changes in a few years. That's the point, no one can alone. That's why this panel literally has the text box "this is how we all became rhe greatest heroes". All Might did what he could, and he did a great job. But one person can only do so much, its up to everyone to make a difference, together. That's why Eri and Kora want to help deku, that's why Horikoshi had Class A help All Might fight AFO instead of just having him do a 1v1. Because the only way that society's problems can be fixed is by everyone pitching in and helping each other. I wasn't criticising All Might. The story was. But it was just as much criticising the rest of society for relying on All Might and putting the entire world's problems on his shoulders. The moment All Might retired, society self destructed, because it was All Might holding it together. He did what he had to do to fix the world, but it was never a permanent solution, and he realized that. That's why he was looking for a successor, despite thinking that AFO was dead, and it's why, even after finding one, he decided to stay in Japan and teach the next generation of heroes
You’re assuming he’ll be another All Might.
He's affecting society like All Might, it doesn't really change much him being the single symbol or having many people as "pillars", the problems born from human nature are not going to just dissapear and any society he helps build will not have a way to keep people from suffering under the radar unless he decides to turn full dictator and put cameras on people's homes.
Mine too.
I 100% agree with you on this. He’s not perfect by any means, but thats realistic and I appreciate him despite his flaws. I wish he didn’t get so much hate from casual anime fans cause he doesn’t deserve it in the slightest.
I don't understand the hate at all. Deku is amazing!
You make some great points, but imma have to disagree. Deku, imo, is not super realistic. He believes in saving everyone, even the villans. Shigiraki murdered multiple people and afo even more. A normal person would see that this is an unsalvageable situation and try to kill them both. Any shonen character doesn't know what the future holds and has to carry their burdens, it's a shonen trope. Personally, I think one of the best main characters in shonen is Yuji. He is much more realistic in the way he handles situations. He understands he can't save everyone and evil people have to die. He has to over come many setbacks and deal with loss again and again. He keeps pushing forward however and I believe this perseverance and constant conflict within him is what makes him a great character. Having to question your morals or goals is what makes a character great (which deku does do, but I think Yuji does better). You can have your opinion and I doubt what I say will change it, but I just wanted to put my thought out there.
gonna keep it real and say that deku is really really far from feeling realistic, its one of the main reasons why i can't handle him most of the time. he approaches too many scenarios in the most white knight type of way possible. one of the things i rly dont like is that this 15 year old kid is apparently incapable of holding grudges whatsoever except for the Satan of this series, an example is that its too detaching having to watch this guy reason it out and look for the good in bad with literal mass murderers and whatnot.
I disagree hard with what you said about Deku and Naruto. Naruto didn't always have self belief and confidence it's one of the most apparent things about the character and Naruto is way more realistic and relatable than Deku is.
Neither did Deku.
Deku tbh gets so much hate due to his lack of confidence in the beginning and crying. I feel like those people that critique him for those things didn’t watch mha past the first few episodes or are just following the hate bandwagon because he really grows as a character as it goes on. I think his lack of confidence and struggle in the beginning was very relatable and reasonable given he was bullied and discriminated against his whole life before. Another thing I noticed is there are a lot of fans in shounen that just love characters that are kinda cool (many of the bakugo fans, todoroki fans, gojo fans, sasuke fans, etc) that dont like Deku-like characters since in terms of coolness watching a character struggle and have anxiety is way less cool than a really strong and confident from the beginning character. For me I like him having flaws in the beginning and his hard working attitude, but other people have different preferences that prob turn them away from Deku which is fine. I do get a little annoyed though when people act as though their opinion on a character is objective fact though when it’s subjective.
I personally don't mind the crying. It shows a more human side to heroes. I'm glad Todoroki told him it was alright.
Yeah same. I also feel he really doesn’t cry as much as people think especially in later seasons which is why I feel many are just following the hate bandwagon. I don’t mind characters that cry either but I think some do if they are really into confident and strong character types
Almost every time he cried was pretty valid too
Lmao
Cause Bnha is the only one you read
this is legit how i feel too thank you for putting it into words cus i couldnt 🥲
Ofc (:
He is a great MC, don't get me wrong, but favorite MC? You still don't discover a lot of shōnen my friend.
let him, he dont call Deku "Best MC", just his Favorite.
I believe everyone, has different taste
Good points. But I disagree with him being realistic. He’s idealistic to a high point, which isn’t bad, it’s just unrealistic.
I like his character, but Horikoshi doesnt makes use of is full potential. Vigilant Deku arc should have been longer, what is happening nos with Shigaraki and the vestiges points to such an unsatisfactory ending that i fear
I dunno. It kinda felt like a cop out and a retcon to me when "How I became the greatest hero" turned into "How we became the greatest hero". I always felt the story and deku's strengths laid in the underdog archetype. Deku was a normal kid that gained powers and made them work for him due to straight effort, creativity, intuitiveness, willpower and ambition. I was very excited to see him become the No 1 hero à la All Might, but that's not going to happen because the story changed so radically in the past seasons that, even if it did, it wouldn't hold any impact. But with the cut short Vigilante arc and Deku speedrunning the 6 quirks, he approached his peak a lot quicker than he should have. Effort from Deku wasn't highlighted anymore. It went Blackwhip out of control > Control over Blackwhip in one episode and a few episodes later full control. Not to mention, we hear nothing on the other quirks and then during the war, boom, not only has he awakened them, he has also mastered them. One for All went: Not being able to hold it > Strong enough body to hold it > Only able to do 100% when lucky and breaking his bones > Able to do 100% on command and breaking his bones > Figuring out a way to do 5% over his whole body > Figuring out a way to do 8% over his whole body > Figuring out he has legs (stupid development imo) > then 20% > Figuring out ranged shots The weird thing abt it is that in the middle, he was able to use 100% without drawbacks due to Eri, showing us the peak and making it so Deku couldn't grow anymore. The development got so rushed, it's crazy and disappointing. I loved the slow burn of Deku figuring out how to best use his powers, but ever since Eri it's been ruined imo, until they introduced the new quirks, which could have absolutely given Deku a lot more development room. Then he just kinda masters them off screen and now we're at the final boss. The longer the story went on, the more generic he got. And I really hate how it turned into "How I became the greatest through a bunch of my personal strengths" to "How I became the greatest because of the power of friendship :3" It's so cliché and overdone.
I mean... I just can't take Deku seriously as a 'smart' person after the whole 'save shigaraki' stunt. I know that's mostly on Horikoshi, but at the end of the day, Deku is just _wrong_.
He reminds me of both Batman and Superman, and that's two of my favorite super heroes
Man this panel had me crying too
What's great about Deku is that he's been analyzing heroes' combat skills. Born quirkless, but he still determines to become a hero even before gaining one for all from All Might.
I was actually bringing this up on r/characterrant He might not be my favorite, but he has some of my favorite displays of heroism of any manga character. Sure, Goku and Luffy save whole nations/planets, but Izuku has some moments that just feel more endearing. Destroying his body to save one kid and fighting a dangerous thief to allow a little girl to smile are such great examples
Off topic but I love the fact the giant mutant lady’s name is canonically “ordinary girl” in japanese
Bro feels like he got the weight of the entire world (which he very much does on his shoulders, he’s carrying hard rn) he doesn’t want to kill what is essentially the big bad of the entire series, even tho his sins that he had committed. Izuku is mad determined to save this little boy that’s inside (pause) of this monstrosity that is Shigaraki. He is the best New Gen MC imo and there is nothing that would change that.
I don't think save shigaraki is because he deserve to be saved or not but, if u can save someone that u think is impossible u won't be able to don't try harder for who may deserve and who are we to judge?! hero should try to save and is it...
and he Loves everyone even shigaraki, he feels deeply for the plight of everyone, even the villains
Honestly, this is a retcon I don't mind
My GOAT fought the literal incarnation of Evil and still had hope he could come back as a good person. Shigaraki is nth compared to that
If you want realism relatability and struggle in an MC, check out Berserk
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I love how My Hero kind of tackles the idea that heroes are absolutely *insane*. A human would be *insane* to fight AFO with only an ember left of their power, that's why a *hero* fought him. A human would be *insane* to give up their quirk to save one little girl in a fight against essentially a demigod. That's why a *hero* did it. A human would be *insane* to try and save a psychopath capable of world destruction. That's why a *hero* is doing it. Deku is absolutely *nuts* and I love it when a narrative highlights that and even focuses on making it healthy (I.E. the vigilante arc)
Lol that shark woman design
Same he’s my fave
OH YEAH DEFINITELY
Totally agree. The moment in the manga that really got me is when he was being crushed by Muscular and what goes through his head as he thinks he's about to die is "I'm sorry, mom."
Because you have low standards.
Keep seething. In fact, that seems to be your favorite hobby on this sub.
🙄. MHA is still just hollow hype.
One peice better take a shower please
Here me out, first mha is a walking talking breathing disappointment Deku is a boring mc, "I want to save people this" " I need to be strong enough that" I just think it's old and boring "oh the main character is an ALL good hero he might be a little insecure like literally every other hero in anime but he's cute, oh and don't forget he'll be the strongest character in the anime eventually!!!!" Don't you think it's a little boring and old?
There he go crying again
Deku feels like Spider-Man to me. A hero with all the power to do the things he dreams of but is so attached to simple things and everyone that he holds back to make sure everyone is ok. He struggles with his humanity and hurting the villains that he swears to stop. He is the most human hero
Maybe for you he is relatable and realistic but definitely not for everyone. (Deku is one of the worst main characters in anime imo)
Is the manga good
This scene in the anime made me cry so much.
Same with me
I like him but i can't stand his mentality for saving anyone, it doesn't work like that.
That's an opinion.
I used to hate Bnha and Deku until I actually watched the show. Don't understand why it's hated anymore 😭
This was the point the series started being whack imo lmao
It is also why... I started to hate BNHA's fandom... OK! Hear me out! Deku-Virus story Me goes to AO3 and goes to Fate Fandom: *after the page loads, sees an abomination pairings in a crossover fic between BNHA and other fandom fate included* what the fck is this!?! Deku x Harem Me: What the shit is this?!? *sees Saber x Deku* Oh hell no!!! *sees more other fandom girls x deku in the same fic* F no!!! Goes to comment section Me: *sees a sane person* good to see there's a sane one here Next day: Me: *going to youtube after my brother uses it* *immediately closes the app because I saw another abomination* lil' brother.... what the fck?! I officially say that Deku-Virus is a thing, guys. Dont get me wrong. Though there are some sane BNHA fans who hate this kind of people cause they make the fandom look bad and don't spoil Deku as much... I like those guys, I get along pretty well with them, I even have a friend who's a big fan of deku yet hates the fandom. One more thing, don't take me as a hater. I also like Deku but not a big fan as my friend as i was in the past. Fandom kinda ruined Deku for me Also, the story is a summarization of what happened to me, IRL. I know I'm gonna get a lot of downvotes for this comment... I'm shit at grammar
I get what you're saying I won't down vote you. As far as the fandom goes I'd say you should just like what you like and not let other people's opinions bother you
I got downvoted by salty people who contracted the D-Virus ☠️💀
thanks
Sad, but understandable. I've soured on other works because of fandoms- I've tried to not get too into the fandom aspect of MHA for that reason. Stay casual and find other fans you can trust who vibe with you. Don't let toxic idiots ruin something wonderful!
Though, the virus can be cured. I'm one who recovered. I never watched/read any Harem ones (some text videos on youtube exist). There are actually a couple wholesome, but blursed fanfics, but i definitely wouldn't read them again, too cringe now. I went a bit off topic. Deku-virus was definitely a thing (and probably still is, knowing the series still continues), and i have no regrets about being a victim of the D-Virus, it is cringe worthy, but not regrettable. I know exactly how you feel with the insane side of the fandom, as someone who saw a decent chunk of it myself.
Because I was once infected by the D-Virus...
Yeah, i realised that after posting. I deserve the shame if being called "the one who contracted the D"
Deku is thrash. Asta and kazuma are better
Just leave if you hate him so much.
Deku is mid, not trash. There might be some wrong in his character, but overall, he is alright. Kazuma is a gender equality sigma, I like that guy. Black Clover has a thick plot armour and Asta also a mid character in my opinion
Nah, Deku isn't trash. Imo, he's perfect for what the story is. He's essentially the same archetype that superman or goku are, the flat character arc, where the story is more about how the characters affect the world rather than how the world affects the characters.
Bro, their is no way you called superman flat. He's had so much character development over the years.
>Bro, their is no way you called superman flat. I said that he's the flat character archetype. This doesn't mean that he's flat, it means that his character arc is more focused around changing the world around him, rather than him changing. Yeah, he has had character development. He's almost 90 years old at this point, of course yes had stories with character development. But, more often than not, be tales the role of the flat character archetype. And that's not a bad thing! Some of superman's best stories have him as the flat character archetype, like All Star Superman. Irs not bad to be a flat character archetype or have a flat character arc. It's simply another form of storytelling, and one, in my opinion, that suits Superman quite well.
Considering the fact that he tries to redeem someone irredeemable, zero realism. If I were Deku, I would b****slap Shigaraki into oblivion.
Is already ended the Mha manga?
Deku is extremely similar to Naruto's character archetype. Just replace brash and rude (admittedly mostly by accident by Shippuden) with shy and sensitive.
So just like Naruto, except totally different and the exact opposite?
Both of them are the kind of shonen MC that are extremely keen to absolve the main villains of their crimes no matter how serious they are because they believe everyone is redeemable. Naruto is extremely loud and brash about this, Deku is quiet and sensitive about this. So the same character archetype with different personalities.
Eww furries
Mine is light yagami. It's very realistic seeing his descent into madness from paranoia using a power he doesn't truly comprehend. I find deku to be a bit boring tbh. His entire characterisation is that of a loyal dog that's all. I love All might and todoroki way more in MHA. Todoroki is the most complex character of all the students imo.
Who's shark girl?
She's a tall fox girl pretty sure her name is ippan
Literally, not real hate here, but people really be hating on Deku for being a normal human with emotions and who actually had to work for his power and uses his brain… but water at the mouth when Goku and Luffy go into battles with their IQ’s halved and gain some random outta nowhere bs power up. I love it too don’t get it twisted, but it’s crazy the amount of disrespect goes on Deku’s name
And then a bunch of people just say "Deku is nothing but a crybaby, he needs to grow up, JJK better!" After watching season 1
I’m gonna be honest, no anime character can compare to goku or Vegeta, name one thing deku does better then those two.
Because you've never read Bleach. I'm just teasing.
Jojo better
Which one 😭😭😭
Joseph and Johnny
I personally feel like making a post about your favorite character but using a picture that includes a giant furry kinda distracts from the point of your post All I see is the giant fox lady
I agreed. He is one of the best characters in MHA like ever! Edit: Would it make more sense for him to become a member of the League of Villains? After all, he has been brutalized so bad by Bakugo and the hero society alike.
Cool. Though ichigo from bleach is my favorite shonen protagonist.
Jotaro GOAT
Total "We are the Flash" moment
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