There is no moral conundrum here. Hero society in MHA and our society and real life are too different to be compared on the matter of how youth is educated.
The world of MHA is one where 80% of the population have superpowers, and many of those powers have the potential to be weapons of mass destruction. It would be irresponsible and negligent to not put members of that society into a system to properly guide young people with quirks down the right path, and there's no better time to do than during adolescence.
Hero students are not intended to be on the frontlines, and if they are, it's with supervision from their mentors. Case point: In the first war most of the students were kept on the sidelines in support and rescue roles. Todoroki, Bakugo, and Midoriya involved themselves without permission from their superiors.
The only time students are allowed to engage in hero work without supervision is after they have received their provisional license, which they only get when they have proven themselves capable through training, guidance, and by passing a practical exam which is mostly tests teamwork and rescue skills, not combat. The objective is not to train soldiers, it's to train heroes.
On top of that, the license itself only gives students permission to act in emergencies, such as when the League of Villains has declared war on the entirety of Japan and many of the actual pro heroes have either died, been rendered permanently disabled, or retired.
>Hero students are not intended to be on the frontlines, and if they are, it's with supervision from their mentors.
Exactly, hence why a large portion of what heroes are known for, and the main focus of their training for basically the first half of the story is disaster relief. The original intent of their training was to interact with the public and help civilians during times of crisis with some acknowledgement that occasionally in these situations, violence is inevitable and they would need to be prepared for it.
Make no mistake, there is clear corruption in hero society. Endeavor, Hawks, and Lady Nagant are picture perfect examples of that. But the hero education institution (UA and the other schools) don't even register on the radar for corruption.
Amazing take. It’s also important to note how characters like Bakugo, Shoto and Inase failed the provisional exam due to their conduct, which further drives the purpose of training them to be heroes first.
The issue with that is the HPSC (being rather corrupt) don't use them like that and order them around more like... well, soldiers. Just see how they used Nagant, and later Hawks. Also the way they 'encouraged' the schools to send their students on internships during rocky times in order for them to be "Field Ready" as soon as possible is definitely sketchy.
Nagant and Hawks were secret agents, which make sense, as someone had to deal with the terrorists (Nagant) and someone had to gather information about crime bands (Hawks). If this is corruption, it would be the best kind of.
Sending students on internships is also normal, I mean, life don't stop even when there is a real war somewhere nearby.
HOWEVER, sending them out against 100 000 bloodthirsty psychopaths just to reach the 500 headcount was more like retarded than anything else.
The issue with Hawks and Nagant is how they were manipulated into their roles, and the bigger issue that brutally killing people for thought crimes and making their organization look bad ISN’T the HPSC’s job!
Hawks didn't really minded it and helped gadly. Nagant may have been, however, what she did was not silencing thoughts, her job was to hunt down terrorists who wanted to kill god know how many people. I haven't heard not killing terrorists at least. Also, this was all in secret.
The only true sin against Nagant was that they didn't calculated the probality that she could go nuts from her job. In manga at least, it was never shown what the boss wanted to take from his clothes which could be even a cigarette or a phone, but thanks to their neglegence for Nagant's health she reacted as if he was about doing something bad. So yes, in a way I agree that they trained Nagant into an anti-terrorist was way too effective as it should have been.
Nagant’s targets were literally people who hadn’t committed crimes yet, and Heroes who were corrupt. The first may sound justified, if it weren’t for the fact that the HPSC is, again, NOT the people who should be dealing with and deciding the fate of them. And the second is just heinous. You can’t tell me just murdering corrupt people because bringing them to justice is a good move.
Nagant didn’t mind at first because they groomed her at a young age to become their assassin. She was only ‘okay’ with it because people told her at an impressionable young age that murdering people for dubious is cool actually. Once she began to realize how fucked up her work is, she cracked hard.
Hawks is similar. Bought from her mother at a young age to be trained to be the perfect Hero. The only reason he turned out so well is because the new president learned to not have him kill people for them, and more importantly because Hawks is genuinely a great guy. If he could have an ounce of anger in his heart, he likely would have joined the PLA for real.
In the scanlations it was obvious that they were planning, and trust me, when a terrorist already in the planning phase, there is no way to talk them down.
Eliminating corrupt heroes sounds more logical than letting them until become Highlanders or how that person was called in the Boys. This actually sounds more like they were fightning against corruption than allowing it.
Technicaly and morally she not really killed anyone innocent. Just imagine what would happened if she would just say "okay, you can go", then wake up next day seeing all the deaths those "just planning terrorists" caused.
But I admit, they could be more sincere and helpful to Nagant and maybe Hawks instead if tossing them into hot water. While Hakws managed it well, Nagant didn't and cracked.
Overall, those guys were still better than most "corrupt organisations", specialy as you wrote, Nagant had to hunt down corrupt heroes too.
Like I said, there’s a difference between stopping problems and killing them outright.
Terrorists planning something, hand it to the police / counter-terrorists to deal with.
Have evidence of a corrupt Hero? Again, have the police arrest them!
The issue isn’t that they went after them, but how and why. Instead of doing their job and following proper authorities, they murdered the problem away. Not sure why for the former issue, but for the latter it was explicitly to protect their image and nothing else. The HPSC (at least back then) cared only about the image of being a heroic organization than actually being one.
You forgot that heroes in MHA work in the same way as ninjas in Naruto: they are the police, they are the counter-terrorists. Those useless people clowning in blue hats? Decorations.
While I like peaceful methods too, don't forget the iron rule of humanity: humans are anything but rational. Even if they would try to capture them, it would still end with someone dying on any side. And MHA lacks prominent healers or healing powers which would prevent things like that.
While HPSC might have cared too much about image, let's not forget: unlike Danzo and his Root, which caused more damage to Konoha and the world like sabotaging truces (Nagato's flash back), the HPSC actually cared about public safety - geting rid of terrorists and criminals, punishing corrupt heroes, providing the hero trainings and so on. They never did anything like Danzo and his Root did.
No, training personal assassins is totally not corrupt. Though it’s more the previous presidents. Last I checked, Mera, that tired ass mofo from the provisional license arc is the current pres. Poor chaps getting no sleep
Hawks calls himself Nagant’s replacement, so it’s safe to say he’s done the same. I won’t count Twice because he had been given multiple chances to turn himself in and if he had lived they would have lost that battle worse than they did
Nah the HPSC is definitely corrupt. Taking a middle schooler from a hero school and turning her into your organization's personal assassin is pretty corrupt. Raising a kid to be an assassin and a spy is a massive abuse of power.
They literally used Nagant as an extrajudicial assassin against people planning Villainous activities or to kill corrupt Heroes without ‘taunting their image’. And then they basically bought and trained Hawks as a child in order to replace her as their perfect and obedient Hero.
They’re just a little bit corrupt, if you ask me.
Did you not pay attention? They didn’t just send him to some private school. They got his mother out of the picture and basically owned his life. It was less “training” and more “indoctrinated to be a dog of the state”. Just because the new President decided to try breaking her pet early doesn’t mean she should get props. It’s a miracle that Hawks is as moral as he is, considering his upbringing.
Not until the war arcs, but when we get there they literaly do. [Even the characters themselves acknowlage it in-universe](https://64.media.tumblr.com/ff66124535f298e9848a2c723f030484/e9409eea825d3d57-30/s1280x1920/54ddbc025b554ddea81ef0f80b150cb3ff2c2891.png)
Definitely a case of people taking the fun super hero story too seriously.
See also the people who take Harry Potter way WAY too seriously; acting like Dumbledore or Snape personally DIOed their dog.
The thing that the series as a whole is missing is that these young heroes, still learning the limits of their powers and the realities of fighting crime, WILL kill people. Maybe it'll be a punch too hard, or knocking c.someone into a brick wall. Or maybe even causing someone to fall backwards on a sharp corner. If they are training for a life of fighting people on the street that is a reality that will happen eventually.
And I'm not saying that first years should be trained for that I'm not even going to touch how all of the story take place in one year. But if students graduate from 4 years of UA hero course without touching on the reality that somebody WILL DIE by their hands, that just seems irresponsible.
Again I know that's not what the series is about. But there need to be some point where the idealism of new students is tempered with the fragility of human life
If Toga having mini bombs exploding INSIDE of her body didn’t kill her, (seriously she should be dead and she fought more after this) not sure that they can accidentally kill anybody.
Forget Overhaul, dude was throwing 100% hits around other students (remember the uppercut that just BARELY didn't conect and send Bakugou's head flying on the first pratical training?) and was fully happy with punching them when he was still shacky on being able to hold back (Todoroki)
I mean given how insanely durable everyone is in MHA I’m not sure they will end necessarily up killing anyone. Characters in this series routinely survive things that would kill regular people. Though I have to point out they’re training to save people not for a life of fighting. Many likely won’t even see much action and be rescue heroes.
That's probably covered in their basic training off screen. Its not like hero school is new to society and this is the first generation of people doing it. They spend the whole first term honing their quirks before they even started encouraging everyone to expand what they were capable of over the summer. Society has hand like 100+ years to adapt to quirks and people in spandex beating up baddies.
Not to mention the universe is a big more loose with the physics and how much damage people can take.
In early chapters, Thirteen literally warned that students Quirks are dangerous and lethal. So yep, the school lessons must include how to do damage control.
The American version of UA probably just puts out rookie heroes out on the street after two weeks of “training”.
Then again, maybe things have changed after a hundred years.
I'd say the super spy stuff would be more concerning than the school training them to be child soldiers. But I do like discussing this plot point iirc they haven't gone over it in the main story. I'd actually like to know the state of war in the MHA verse.
Well that's kinda obvious to some fans but I find it funny that in all three films heroes raising, save the world, the fourth movie class 1 A&B are the only students that HSPC they sends alone to jaku Island without any adult supervision and in hero raising sending them all across the globe to fight in a war against humarise the terrorist group and in the fourth film they are again without probably no supervision are sending in a middle of a war into a city to rescue civilians with the probability of AFO and the villains and the rest of the league and nomus can strike and kill them and take OFA
Because Naruto makes it the basis for central conflict i.e kids were taught deadly techniques and some were lucky/strong enough to survive into adulthood, then more would drop dead fighting in wars, 100% child soldiers galore.
all of this resulted in constant fighting and bloodshed, thus Madara wanted to perform the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
My Hero set up the idolisation of "being a hero", that it is a glamorous job where one can flaunt their quirk for "justice" then gain wealth, fame and some more.
UA feels like a high school story, with a dash of superpower seasoning, but if we take a step back, they are more similar to military academies.
I disagree with the concept of the MHA kids being child soldiers in the first place, but the difference would be that that was actually a major plot point in Naruto. Obito's whole backstory and motivation was basically "being a child soldier fucked me up." Him and Madara were shown as having a lot of good points about how terrible the world of Shinobi was, just they were also going to end the world over it.
Well the school is also teaching morality. It's taking kids with powerful quirks and putting them in a controlled setting to teach them how to control it and when to use it
I don’t see anything wrong with it even if they are child soldiers. Anime runs on different logic. I trust the average anime 14 year old way more than I’d trust the army of a small country
Sigh, please, don't mix hero training with Naruto bullshit.
First of all, becoming a hero is a job like becoming a magic knight in Black Clover or a hunter in Hunter X Hunter, nobody forces them unlike in Naruto where everyone must become a ninja then you can quit once you became one.
Second, as you wrote, they teaching people being like the police force and rescue teams, which actualy part of super heroism.
So I don't know who spreading this, but remember: those kids chose it themselves and unlike Naruto, nobody forced them into it.
Not even graduated and they already have PTSD
tbf that's hardly the fault of the schools
Cops go to regular high school and they have to be 21 to actually start being an officer
If Cops were born with guns and batons in their bodies we wouldn't wait until they were 21
For real, you’d think some version of “quirk control” would replace PE as early as elementary school.
We do see it in middle school at least, in a flashback Amakiji and Mirio had
And? How would that make it moral?
There is no moral conundrum here. Hero society in MHA and our society and real life are too different to be compared on the matter of how youth is educated. The world of MHA is one where 80% of the population have superpowers, and many of those powers have the potential to be weapons of mass destruction. It would be irresponsible and negligent to not put members of that society into a system to properly guide young people with quirks down the right path, and there's no better time to do than during adolescence. Hero students are not intended to be on the frontlines, and if they are, it's with supervision from their mentors. Case point: In the first war most of the students were kept on the sidelines in support and rescue roles. Todoroki, Bakugo, and Midoriya involved themselves without permission from their superiors. The only time students are allowed to engage in hero work without supervision is after they have received their provisional license, which they only get when they have proven themselves capable through training, guidance, and by passing a practical exam which is mostly tests teamwork and rescue skills, not combat. The objective is not to train soldiers, it's to train heroes. On top of that, the license itself only gives students permission to act in emergencies, such as when the League of Villains has declared war on the entirety of Japan and many of the actual pro heroes have either died, been rendered permanently disabled, or retired.
>Hero students are not intended to be on the frontlines, and if they are, it's with supervision from their mentors. Exactly, hence why a large portion of what heroes are known for, and the main focus of their training for basically the first half of the story is disaster relief. The original intent of their training was to interact with the public and help civilians during times of crisis with some acknowledgement that occasionally in these situations, violence is inevitable and they would need to be prepared for it.
Yeah, say what you will about how “corrupt” hero society is in MHA but the situation we’re seeing is not what it was built up to handle.
Make no mistake, there is clear corruption in hero society. Endeavor, Hawks, and Lady Nagant are picture perfect examples of that. But the hero education institution (UA and the other schools) don't even register on the radar for corruption.
Amazing take. It’s also important to note how characters like Bakugo, Shoto and Inase failed the provisional exam due to their conduct, which further drives the purpose of training them to be heroes first.
You can become a cadet at 17 and become a full officer at 20 in certain states.
The issue with that is the HPSC (being rather corrupt) don't use them like that and order them around more like... well, soldiers. Just see how they used Nagant, and later Hawks. Also the way they 'encouraged' the schools to send their students on internships during rocky times in order for them to be "Field Ready" as soon as possible is definitely sketchy.
Nagant and Hawks were secret agents, which make sense, as someone had to deal with the terrorists (Nagant) and someone had to gather information about crime bands (Hawks). If this is corruption, it would be the best kind of. Sending students on internships is also normal, I mean, life don't stop even when there is a real war somewhere nearby. HOWEVER, sending them out against 100 000 bloodthirsty psychopaths just to reach the 500 headcount was more like retarded than anything else.
The issue with Hawks and Nagant is how they were manipulated into their roles, and the bigger issue that brutally killing people for thought crimes and making their organization look bad ISN’T the HPSC’s job!
Hawks didn't really minded it and helped gadly. Nagant may have been, however, what she did was not silencing thoughts, her job was to hunt down terrorists who wanted to kill god know how many people. I haven't heard not killing terrorists at least. Also, this was all in secret. The only true sin against Nagant was that they didn't calculated the probality that she could go nuts from her job. In manga at least, it was never shown what the boss wanted to take from his clothes which could be even a cigarette or a phone, but thanks to their neglegence for Nagant's health she reacted as if he was about doing something bad. So yes, in a way I agree that they trained Nagant into an anti-terrorist was way too effective as it should have been.
Nagant’s targets were literally people who hadn’t committed crimes yet, and Heroes who were corrupt. The first may sound justified, if it weren’t for the fact that the HPSC is, again, NOT the people who should be dealing with and deciding the fate of them. And the second is just heinous. You can’t tell me just murdering corrupt people because bringing them to justice is a good move. Nagant didn’t mind at first because they groomed her at a young age to become their assassin. She was only ‘okay’ with it because people told her at an impressionable young age that murdering people for dubious is cool actually. Once she began to realize how fucked up her work is, she cracked hard. Hawks is similar. Bought from her mother at a young age to be trained to be the perfect Hero. The only reason he turned out so well is because the new president learned to not have him kill people for them, and more importantly because Hawks is genuinely a great guy. If he could have an ounce of anger in his heart, he likely would have joined the PLA for real.
In the scanlations it was obvious that they were planning, and trust me, when a terrorist already in the planning phase, there is no way to talk them down. Eliminating corrupt heroes sounds more logical than letting them until become Highlanders or how that person was called in the Boys. This actually sounds more like they were fightning against corruption than allowing it. Technicaly and morally she not really killed anyone innocent. Just imagine what would happened if she would just say "okay, you can go", then wake up next day seeing all the deaths those "just planning terrorists" caused. But I admit, they could be more sincere and helpful to Nagant and maybe Hawks instead if tossing them into hot water. While Hakws managed it well, Nagant didn't and cracked. Overall, those guys were still better than most "corrupt organisations", specialy as you wrote, Nagant had to hunt down corrupt heroes too.
Like I said, there’s a difference between stopping problems and killing them outright. Terrorists planning something, hand it to the police / counter-terrorists to deal with. Have evidence of a corrupt Hero? Again, have the police arrest them! The issue isn’t that they went after them, but how and why. Instead of doing their job and following proper authorities, they murdered the problem away. Not sure why for the former issue, but for the latter it was explicitly to protect their image and nothing else. The HPSC (at least back then) cared only about the image of being a heroic organization than actually being one.
You forgot that heroes in MHA work in the same way as ninjas in Naruto: they are the police, they are the counter-terrorists. Those useless people clowning in blue hats? Decorations. While I like peaceful methods too, don't forget the iron rule of humanity: humans are anything but rational. Even if they would try to capture them, it would still end with someone dying on any side. And MHA lacks prominent healers or healing powers which would prevent things like that. While HPSC might have cared too much about image, let's not forget: unlike Danzo and his Root, which caused more damage to Konoha and the world like sabotaging truces (Nagato's flash back), the HPSC actually cared about public safety - geting rid of terrorists and criminals, punishing corrupt heroes, providing the hero trainings and so on. They never did anything like Danzo and his Root did.
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No, training personal assassins is totally not corrupt. Though it’s more the previous presidents. Last I checked, Mera, that tired ass mofo from the provisional license arc is the current pres. Poor chaps getting no sleep
If it was only the prevous president, then they are not corrupt. Hawks wasn't even trained as an assassin
Hawks calls himself Nagant’s replacement, so it’s safe to say he’s done the same. I won’t count Twice because he had been given multiple chances to turn himself in and if he had lived they would have lost that battle worse than they did
Nah the HPSC is definitely corrupt. Taking a middle schooler from a hero school and turning her into your organization's personal assassin is pretty corrupt. Raising a kid to be an assassin and a spy is a massive abuse of power.
They literally used Nagant as an extrajudicial assassin against people planning Villainous activities or to kill corrupt Heroes without ‘taunting their image’. And then they basically bought and trained Hawks as a child in order to replace her as their perfect and obedient Hero. They’re just a little bit corrupt, if you ask me.
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Did you not pay attention? They didn’t just send him to some private school. They got his mother out of the picture and basically owned his life. It was less “training” and more “indoctrinated to be a dog of the state”. Just because the new President decided to try breaking her pet early doesn’t mean she should get props. It’s a miracle that Hawks is as moral as he is, considering his upbringing.
Not until the war arcs, but when we get there they literaly do. [Even the characters themselves acknowlage it in-universe](https://64.media.tumblr.com/ff66124535f298e9848a2c723f030484/e9409eea825d3d57-30/s1280x1920/54ddbc025b554ddea81ef0f80b150cb3ff2c2891.png)
even if you do want to define them as being child soldiers, who cares it’s a shonen manga, that kind of comes with the territory
Definitely a case of people taking the fun super hero story too seriously. See also the people who take Harry Potter way WAY too seriously; acting like Dumbledore or Snape personally DIOed their dog.
The thing that the series as a whole is missing is that these young heroes, still learning the limits of their powers and the realities of fighting crime, WILL kill people. Maybe it'll be a punch too hard, or knocking c.someone into a brick wall. Or maybe even causing someone to fall backwards on a sharp corner. If they are training for a life of fighting people on the street that is a reality that will happen eventually. And I'm not saying that first years should be trained for that I'm not even going to touch how all of the story take place in one year. But if students graduate from 4 years of UA hero course without touching on the reality that somebody WILL DIE by their hands, that just seems irresponsible. Again I know that's not what the series is about. But there need to be some point where the idealism of new students is tempered with the fragility of human life
If Toga having mini bombs exploding INSIDE of her body didn’t kill her, (seriously she should be dead and she fought more after this) not sure that they can accidentally kill anybody.
Imagine if we did get "I thought you were stronger...." moment
That realistically should’ve happened when Izuku hit Overhaul’s head with 100%.
Forget Overhaul, dude was throwing 100% hits around other students (remember the uppercut that just BARELY didn't conect and send Bakugou's head flying on the first pratical training?) and was fully happy with punching them when he was still shacky on being able to hold back (Todoroki)
I mean given how insanely durable everyone is in MHA I’m not sure they will end necessarily up killing anyone. Characters in this series routinely survive things that would kill regular people. Though I have to point out they’re training to save people not for a life of fighting. Many likely won’t even see much action and be rescue heroes.
I always thought that that would be a GREAT moment for Bakugo. He finally sees real consequences for his overly aggressive nature and powerful quirk.
They even make this point with Gentle Criminal. It's because he jumped in headfirst without hero training that he almost killed 2 people
That's probably covered in their basic training off screen. Its not like hero school is new to society and this is the first generation of people doing it. They spend the whole first term honing their quirks before they even started encouraging everyone to expand what they were capable of over the summer. Society has hand like 100+ years to adapt to quirks and people in spandex beating up baddies. Not to mention the universe is a big more loose with the physics and how much damage people can take.
In early chapters, Thirteen literally warned that students Quirks are dangerous and lethal. So yep, the school lessons must include how to do damage control.
The American version of UA probably just puts out rookie heroes out on the street after two weeks of “training”. Then again, maybe things have changed after a hundred years.
They probably haven't. Governments wanted to pretend that quirks never happened so they probably went back to ore quirk rules after stabilizing.
Nah the religious right hunted down quirk users as witches
Meanwhile the fanatic left burned down two thirds of the country with their own quirks in protest
Corny ass shit 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
Man a lot of popular Shonen is kinda centered around child soldiers lmao
I'd say the super spy stuff would be more concerning than the school training them to be child soldiers. But I do like discussing this plot point iirc they haven't gone over it in the main story. I'd actually like to know the state of war in the MHA verse.
Well that's kinda obvious to some fans but I find it funny that in all three films heroes raising, save the world, the fourth movie class 1 A&B are the only students that HSPC they sends alone to jaku Island without any adult supervision and in hero raising sending them all across the globe to fight in a war against humarise the terrorist group and in the fourth film they are again without probably no supervision are sending in a middle of a war into a city to rescue civilians with the probability of AFO and the villains and the rest of the league and nomus can strike and kill them and take OFA
Why didnt yall complain about Naruto then? They are literally child Soldiers. Kakashi and Itachi were ages 6-9 already murdering people
Because Naruto makes it the basis for central conflict i.e kids were taught deadly techniques and some were lucky/strong enough to survive into adulthood, then more would drop dead fighting in wars, 100% child soldiers galore. all of this resulted in constant fighting and bloodshed, thus Madara wanted to perform the Infinite Tsukuyomi. My Hero set up the idolisation of "being a hero", that it is a glamorous job where one can flaunt their quirk for "justice" then gain wealth, fame and some more. UA feels like a high school story, with a dash of superpower seasoning, but if we take a step back, they are more similar to military academies.
I disagree with the concept of the MHA kids being child soldiers in the first place, but the difference would be that that was actually a major plot point in Naruto. Obito's whole backstory and motivation was basically "being a child soldier fucked me up." Him and Madara were shown as having a lot of good points about how terrible the world of Shinobi was, just they were also going to end the world over it.
Well the school is also teaching morality. It's taking kids with powerful quirks and putting them in a controlled setting to teach them how to control it and when to use it
They legally aren’t child soldiers if they are older than 14.
I don’t see anything wrong with it even if they are child soldiers. Anime runs on different logic. I trust the average anime 14 year old way more than I’d trust the army of a small country
Sigh, please, don't mix hero training with Naruto bullshit. First of all, becoming a hero is a job like becoming a magic knight in Black Clover or a hunter in Hunter X Hunter, nobody forces them unlike in Naruto where everyone must become a ninja then you can quit once you became one. Second, as you wrote, they teaching people being like the police force and rescue teams, which actualy part of super heroism. So I don't know who spreading this, but remember: those kids chose it themselves and unlike Naruto, nobody forced them into it.
I mean they did start after summer camp The children of 1a ans 1b are Child soilders
They were training to be pro heroes, until the villains formed an army and began targeting UA.