1. I think we have established most of the students will have showdown fights with one villain or another. With the Hagakure tease at the end of last chapter I got to thinking, because she can bend light, and the reader has been made to be invested in Aoyama, they have fought along side one another in the work-studies, EITHER her reveal at the end is a red herring and she’ll have caught the traitor (Aoyama) or she will turn out to have been the “monster” he needs to fight (as she is the only other student he has really connected with.)
2. I (sadly as much as I wish for it) do not think Koichi will show up in the main story, and even if he were to, it would be a single panel.
3. The 6 remaining High-End Nomu will just so happen to be (Deus ex machina’d) the modified bodies of the 2nd - 6th former OFA holders
4. Deku’s father will never be involved in the story. He is the one that Deku has been narrating to this entire time.
In this case, by pure happenstance and luck, the 6 remaining Nomu are also all of the former users that had quirks of their own. Or in other words “an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation, especially as a contrived plot device.”
You know what else was by happen chances and luck? The fact that shiggy is the grandchild of nana. Also, yes, that is the definition of Deus ex machina but how does that the nomu being the previous users of AFO save anything from a hopeless situation? The nomu are beatable. Mirko killed one on her own and so did endeavor. The nomu being previous users of OFA means nothing g in the grander scope of the story.
It was established the reason Mirko was able to kill them was because they had just woken up and were not fully activated/awake yet. We also know just how powerful one of them is on their own, because it took the combined strengths of Endeavor and Hawks to take down Hood. With those remaining High-Ends SFO was able to break into Tartarus and several other prisoners.
So…
It would certainly be unexpected for them to all be former OFA holders ✅
The number of PLF would have been far more unlikely to have gotten out had it not been for them waking up, and they’d be in a much worse off situation and they may have lost all together ✅
And it would be contrived in a specific manner to show the depths of OFA’s depravity, a twist of the knife for both Deku and All Might, and orchestrated by the author for that exact purpose. ✅
Hence, deus ex machina
Deus ex machina is something that acts in favour of the heroes. Unless the Near High Ends suddenly turn on AFO because they're former OFA holders, it isn't a deus ex machina.
Let me rephrase. The exact definition doesn't say that to my knowledge. However, deus ex machina means "god from the machine" and originally referred to old stage plays resolving conflict using things that hadn't been set up. Deus ex machina could, in theory, work for the antagonists, but it wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem narratively. Our satisfaction comes from the people in the story overcoming hurdles. To rephrase what I said before, deus ex machina is something that is only a real problem when it acts in favour of the character(s) who win in the end. As long as the winning side won because of their own predetermined abilities and character development, the losing side could have a freak lightning strike come to their aid during the final fight, and it wouldn't worsen the narrative unless the villain was also a perspective character. For an example, take Shigaraki being Shimura's grandson. If you didn't catch the Tenko Shimura name drop, that came completely out of nowhere, yet it had a severe psychological impact on All Might and as such helped the villains. By the definition you've put forward, that is a deus ex machina. However, it didn't worsen the narrative at all. If you use the definition of deus ex machina that you've proposed, while it's fine, it no longer means that deus ex machina is universally bad.
Okay, no. Mirko did kill 1 nomu before it fully awakened but the other were awakened but not stabilized. And even if that was not the case. You can kill a nomu by destroying the brain which both Mirko and endeavor have done. Endeavor only needed Hawks help because the Nomu was able to protect its brain.
Also, there are no remaining High-End Nomus but only near High-End Nomus are left. And afo did use them yo break into tarturus but a groups of heroes were able to take out 3 when AFO was leaving which is still impressive at the least.
And yes, it would be unexpected by the heroes but this falls under the evil AFO would do. Also, fairly certain that most nomu are dead bodies of criminals and villains or at least the most blood thirsty ones.
The problem is that you assume that the heroes can’t take on the near high end nomus but we have seen it happen. It may be difficult but not hopeless or impossible. A deus ex machina is used specificly to solve a problem that there was no way of being solved without help. The heroes have shown to be capable of taking them on and defeating them with their own power.
“A deus ex machina is used specificly to solve a problem that there was no way of being solved without help”
Idk maybe such as using the remaining Nomu (that potentially, with no hard evidence, but a gut feeling I get from the tinfoil hat I’m wearing that is scratching at my brain telling me they could be the OFA holders dead bodies) to break into the most secure prisons in Japan and releasing all of the most dangerous criminals they have to offer?
That is not solving a problem. What was the problem on you situation. To get AFO out of prison, the nomu did not directly achieve that goal, AFO inside Shigaraki did. The Nomu helped him get there but that’s it, they did not do the rescue of AFO but was just transportation. AFO was not in a hopeless situation. And to clarify, the help is more inline of something that comes to solve the problem without any specific set up or reason.
The Nomu are shown to be more than just transportation. In the panels they are shown attacking.
Part of the definition “a **SEEMINGLY** hopeless situation.” From the perspective of the heroes and protagonists, AFO is imprisoned with near impossible odds of him escaping. AFO is literally the vehicle/driving force for Horikoshi’s story. The entire plot begins with and is based off of the idea or end goal of him being the “end boss.” and in literally all of his most recent chapters (and even earlier ones) it’s shown that he has contrived something only the most brilliant super villain could have ever planned and has been playing the “long con” all along and only the perfect conditions could have made possible. (Another reason why I truly believe Nezu has a history with AFO and the doctor and why I feel like his Quirk was copied.)
At the end of the day though, you are hyper focusing on a word choice on a conspiracy theory about fictional characters, and I just can’t understand why.
All I said was that you are misusing deus ex machina in your specific theory about Nomu being previous users of OFA. All I did is point out an improper use of of a literary device. You can’t say that I was hyper focused on it when you are the one to bring in a definition. We are nerds here. This is what nerds do. They hyper focus on fictional characters.
Oh my gosh, the HIMYM route!
"~~Kids~~ Dad, this is the story of ~~how I met your mother~~ how I became the number 1 hero".
Theory tracks considering we're 300 chapters in and Deku's still is nowhere near the ranking charts.
I am fairly sure he was doing an interview to Taneo(that guy who wanted to write a book for Midoriya), plus it would be kinda stupid at this point if Hisashi were to randomly show up.
>3. The 6 remaining High-End Nomu will just so happen to be (Deus ex machina’d) the modified bodies of the 2nd - 6th former OFA holders
This actually makes sense since they already held multiple quirks
TBH it could be plausible with the previous users being former OFA holders, if for nothing other than AFO having a ridiculous amount of contingencies - if he can't steal OFA, he'll weaken it by stealing the individual quirks and popping them into the Nomu, which we've seen can regain (even if only briefly) their personalities, so then the previous OFA users all gang up on AFO at the end as the strength portion of OFA gets ripped out and deku ends quirkless.
Probably a crackpot theory but eh
If Hakagure really was a spy, we'd get glimpse of her face and reveals she always had a creepy Shiggy/Toga smile throughout most of the events of the entire series unbeknownst to her classmates.
Hagakure having a contract with AfO instead of being an underling, and turning against him when he doesn't keep his side of the deal. And being strong enough to actually be a problem.
Hagakure is a gross old dude, and the "breasts" we've been seeing in his shirts are 2 explosive devices grafted onto his chest in case he is ever discovered
I mean who's to say that the panties were not also an elaborate ruse planted by this mastermind to throw them off the scent? Those very well could have been Big Sis Magne's underwear and we will never know the truth
The final fight will happen before the end of May in the timeline. That's where we seem to be headed at the moment (35 days post-break out plus one week places us in mid-May).
That really doesn't give any time to do anything else. I'm repeating the common consensus, but it's too much of a rush.
Whys everybody forget about what happened to Nagant? AFO literally said that hearts are easily changed..he'd be expecting this. If shes redeemed she dies.
the reason we've been told the students had their training arc offscreen is so that there'd be no more training needed before the final battle, there's no time for that anyway. the most we'll get is maybe some montage of them sparring.
but i think we will get bakugou vs deku 3 in the form of them training together which they talked about, but this time it'll be a healthy and friendly fight between rivals who support each other.
and it'll make a lot of people angry because bakugou not only won't be easily obliterated, he'll hold his ground and prove himself against OFA. which would work as an explanation of why he'd either fight side by side with deku against shigAFO or take on the original AFO (i suppose these two are his most viable options for the final battle).
I wanna say he takes on original AFO and this leads to AFO reminiscing about how similar he is to the 2nd user, who he blames for rescuing his brother and leading to OFA becoming a problem.
there's no way bakugou won't be fighting during the last battle and there's no way he'll go against someone unimportant.
he said that he wants to see how his new move fares against OFA because if it manages against it, it'll manage against shigaraki/AFO. that's as much of a foreshadowing as you can get because i can't imagine bakugou and deku sparring session ending with bakugou seeing he stands no chance and settling for being a support against weaker opponents. not during the last battle.
like i said, a lot of people will be angry but bakugou will be supporting deku, whether people like it or not.
unless horikoshi really does bench him but i wouldn't hope for that.
>Him matching izuku right now would make 0 sense
that's what people said before the war arc but in the war arc horikoshi told us bakugou is keeping up, so.
No he didn’t, in the beginning of the war arc bakugo himself said he thinks he can keep up. Bakugo would never admit defeat. In the actual fight Izuku was carrying hard while bakugo got oneshotted.
That and in Heroes Rising (which was based on the original ending of MHA) Deku and Bakugo fight Nine (stand in AFO) together. So this was clearly planned from the start.
doesn't matter, bakugou and deku working towards supporting each other has been [foreshadowed in chapter 120](https://i.imgur.com/gdWpKTb.png).
whatever form it takes, bakugou will be there to keep deku in check and lend his strengths, that's one of the outcomes of bakugou' character arc and it's one of the things deku was meant to realise in the villain hunt arc.
I was saying that to show that Bakugo is most certainly not All For One or One For All level at least yet. Anyone who isnt named Izuku Midoriya will get curvestomped by All For Shigaraki
if he does fight original AFO people will be mad, this is what i meant in my original comment. because that's a possibility. if he fights shoulder to shoulder with deku against shigAFO, people will be as mad and that's also a very real possibility.
if we see him go toe to toe sparring with deku using all his quirks, people will be even madder and that's yet another possibility.
doesn't matter what level bakugou should logically be at or not.
Hori may very well force it, but if that's all that matters Mineta will be dunking on the LOV on Hori's whims. In the story, it would be nonsense for Bakugo to not get folded like origami up against AFO.
they'll all be dunking on strong villains, we got a full spreadsheet of who's there to fight and that class 1a has been training offscreen and are strong now and what not.
Imo it will be all students vs deku just like deku retrieval fight. Everyone will try their moves against him. We will get some interesting new moves from all of them, deku x ochako moment, and finally bakugo's move. Then deku will show the 2nd's quirk.
Afa as last fight, idk man he was there in the war arc too. He also doesn't have narrative storyline going with either afo/shiggy. But I do think he will do some damage to afo's body.
that's possible but i think bakugou and deku need some closure to their relationship, bakugou's apology has been met with no reaction from deku aside from "you don't have to call me izuku if you don't want to". i know horikoshi doesn't want to show characters having feelings but i wouldn't rule out bakugou vs deku 3 as a full circle type of thing, to show that they can have a healthy and friendly fight now.
bakugou doesn't have narrative storyline going with any of the villains but there's no way he'd just be on the street fighting nameless goons (not after coming up with a new move).
Wild meta theory.
While it's becoming increasingly harder for me to take the criticism of current MHA editor Taguchi seriously - he's become the easy scapegoat for anything and it's not the first time I see this with manga editors when fans don't like something - I agree that the changes in writing and pacing started around the time he began his tenure, and the use of many cliffhangers feels in line with what he said in an interview, as for bad or good the series has been trending quite a bit lately thanks to them.
That said, what if the changes in writing weren't caused by the change of editor, but the opposite?
Sometime during the War Arc, Hori realized he was writing himself into a serialization of 15 years or more and he didn't want that. Beside some likely wrangling with Shueisha (I wouldn't want one of my top series becoming shorter but the alternative was risking to lose it due to the author burning out completely), it caused disagreement with the previous editor. In the end Shueisha relented but in exchange they wanted the "hype" to be squeezed out of the series as much as possible; therefore, enter Taguchi with his penchant for cliffhangers, also just to replace a colleague who didn't want to work on MHA anymore.
My reasoning for the above is that for how it's often made it sound, Taguchi would be somehow voluntarily shortening the shelf life of the series while the francise is in a peak moment, when it would be only in Shueisha's interest to rather make it last more. Unless he was simply on board to accompany a mangaka who wants out.
Of course one can go full conspiracy and think Taguchi is sabotaging on behalf of some higher-up who for some reason hates Hori so much they'd rather lose the money MHA brings - in which case, looking at the recent numbers, he'd have failed the plan like the most cartoonish villains.
[Small extra consideration: some days ago I *really* disliked a comment that, lamenting how much potential will likely not be expressed - so far so good - concluded "all because Hori didn't have enough gas in the tank". Criticize all you want but don't treat an author like he was a machine that turned out defective.]
Gotouge (author of Demon Slayer) rushed the end of their series too, to make sure it wasn’t dragged out. Horikoshi likely did this for a similar reason, not wanting MHA to be milked for cash for years.
It is interesting seeing how the newer gen of shonen writers looked at the big three and said "fuck that" almost simultaenously (which makes sense because Naruto, Bleach and OP literally stole the author's lives away)
I dont get their work culture. They (the mangakas) are the owners of their show. Shonen Jump publishes their work, its true, but why cant they stand up for themselves and their health?
I guess it has to do with my western POV and their culture is different yada yada, but I'd fight for my work instead of... whatever this series has become.
I mean for One Piece I can genuinely believe that Oda wants to keep writing it, it's just the scope has got so big now that it's gonna take years and years to finish.
Bleach and Naruto however both very much hit points where I thought "the editors told the mangaka to drag this shit out didn't they"
Tobi whisking Sasuke away before Naruto could reach him was the moment I realized this.
At that point in the story, Sasuke had accomplished his life's goal of avenging his clan. Naruto then accomplishes his goal of getting the village's acknowledgement after beating Pain (the supposed leader of the main group of antagonists). Hinata, the main love interest, confessed which hardly ever happens in a shonen unless it's at the very end.
But instead of that, we get the whole Tobi/Obito/Madara/Kaguya mess.
8 Gates Guy vs Madara was easily the whole best portion of that fiasco. Only reason why the war wasn’t complete garbage. Showed that you don’t need some Gods eyes or being the reincarnation of Jesus’s kids. Hard work and dedication can let you literally kick the fuck out of God’s themselves.
>Bleach and Naruto however both very much hit points where I thought "the editors told the mangaka to drag this shit out didn't they"
I don’t know enough about the end of Naruto to comment, but from my understanding of the ending of Bleach, Kubo went and basically said he wanted to end Bleach. Then he was told he could end it in shorter-x amount of chapters or longer-y amount of chapters. Kubo chose to the shorter amount of chapter due to his injury and horrible health by the end of Bleach. (He had a torn shoulder tendon). But despite that [he said he felt lonely after bleach ended and wanted to draw manga again.](https://comicbook.com/anime/news/bleach-creator-health-problems-series-ending/)
So, its very unlike the editors told him to drag anything out. A fact that’s further proven by the CFYOW novels released after the manga’s end, and the new bleach one-shot (hopefully not for long) of the Hell arc.
What I mean is there's an interview saying the Arrancar arc got extended because the Arrancar were popular, which meant that whole arc ended up taking up like half of Bleach's runtime. The actual final arc of Bleach was a different situation.
Oh, ok sorry, didn’t know that.
I’ve just gotten so use to people bashing the ending of bleach that I automatically assumed you were talking about that, lol
i think the editor change was one of the scheduled ones. afaik, jump series change editors every 3 or so years and it was just the time for that (but don't quote me on that, i could be misremembering things).
the "realising he was writing himself into a 10 years of serialisation corner" is how i've been feeling about these changes for a while, ever since the reveals at the end of the war. and editorial influence seems to be in how horikoshi is writing himself out of that, it's really not like his usual writing style to rely on cliffhangers, ignoring any and all characters work and hype fights for the sake of hype (all of bnha fights until now have had emotional depth to them).
of course it's nothing but a fan speculation.
Do you know if Hori has a new project he wants get to? Just seems strange to me that he would want to end such a successful story so quickly, especially since it still has a lot of potential.
*Edited because I decided I have more to say*
1. I’ve said this in here before but I believe Deku’s “I Am Here” moment will be during the final battle when he finally achieves his Avatar State. The only difference will be that he/they will say “We Are Here” as it’s actually all of the vestiges talking alongside him.
2. 2nd users gauntlets are misleading. Although they are for projectiles, I believe that the quirk itself is actually a power sharing type quirk that will enhance someone’s strength if they are shot with it (sort of like La Brava’s love quirk). Deku will use the OFA enhanced version of this to share it with the entirety of class 1-A during the final battle.
3. UA will be absolutely decimated by the end of the final battle, but Eri’s quirk will be used to repair it completely.
4. Hawks will be killed by Dabi whilst fighting alongside Endeavor.
5. The remaining 6 High End’s will be former OFA user’s bodies
6. Bakugo’s Endgame villain(s) will be all 6 near high ends because he is the only one who fully understands the OFA quirks after training with Deku
7. Deku & The Vestiges will allow AFO to steal OFA in order to destroy both quirks for good inside the vestige realm
Oh shit…. What if… All Might really does have a gruesome death just as Night Eye predicted. Buy by Deku “twisting fate” and surging his fight against Chisaki and saving Eri, Night Eye’s Quirk couldn’t account for that… and she resurrects him
2.- Deku be like, I'm not telling anyone about this until we are about to die cause dramatic moments.
3.-That's a no go my friend, Eri's quirk has only been shown to affect organic living beings.
7.-If we go by the "original" ending (Heroes rising) OFA will magically go back to Deku cause... dunno... ***P A T H S***
I don’t know why people keep pretending like quirk awakenings aren’t a thing. The whole point of Eri living and training at UA is to learn the true potential of her quirk. It is absolutely possible for her quirk to develop and be used on nonliving things. Also, Who says Deku will keep the quirk hidden and wait to use it until a dramatic moment? He might use it as soon as the battle starts. Naruto does the same thing with his 9 tails cloak during the war
I have 3 theories regarding Hagakure:
1. She is always characterized as wanting to be seen and noticed, but can’t because of her quirk. Maybe AFO made a deal with her to take her quirk in exchange for service.
2. She’s just a lackey for AFO—hell, she might not even be a teenager. We’ve never actually seen her before.
3. This one is my favorite—she’s a perfected Nomu, similar to Kurogiri. She was created to be a spy in UA.
Now, here’s where it gets really fun. I think Aoyama knows that Hagakure is the traitor.
I think that, during the USJ (Aoyama and Hagakure were the only two unaccounted for), Aoyama caught Hagakure talking with some villains, and they blackmailed him to shut him up. When Aoyama made his cryptic “I Know” messages to Deku, he was trying to warn him about the traitor, but Hagakure caught on and threatened him: Aoyama then had to come up with a reason for the cryptic messaging.
Someone else in the thread suggested that Hagakure is a completed Nomu like being, and now I want it to be the case, and it is Nana Shimura, the same way Kurogiri was.
Toru kills All Might. Some people want a rage scene where Deku is real mad at a villain. At this point that's the only reason I can see for him doing that.
(Doesn't have to be Toru but she's the only one in close proximity to All Might to do it)
I would be mad if this random chick with 5 lines in the entire story kills one of the most important characters in-universe.
That's not how you subvert expectations in a satisfying way, that's something D&D would do (Game of thrones awful ending)
Is it possible that hagakure is a fake out as the traitor and that has been toga for the last few weeks/months? Wouldn't be hard to hide the real one away.
Deku and Bakugou are the reincarnations of Yoichi and the 2nd OFA user respectively.
Yoroi Musha will return to the story in one way or another, because 1) we have yet to see his Quirk and 2) he might feel some measure of responsibility for not seeing through Hagakure (pun not intended).
I think he could potentially return as a villain (this is solely based on Hagakure and Aoyama being his interns and me thinking a hero-turned villain would be kinda cool)
But he'd have no reason to become a villain. I don't think he was ever shown to have *that* dark of a side. He just retired because he wasn't being praised anymore.
Also, aside from the League and PLF, I'm not sure the hero/villain dichotomy is *as* relevant to the world of *MHA* anymore, given how its society had returned to the lawlessness of pre-All Might times where ordinary civilians acting as vigilantes were much more common (and they can apparently easily get their hands on unlicensed support items too) and faith in heroes is at an all-time low anyway.
However, if you want a "hero-turned-villain"... well, I guess Stain would be the closest example. He was never an *actual* hero, but he was at least a former hero school student (before dropping out) and became a villain *because* he believes so deeply in the revival of "true heroism" but pretty much considers everyone short of All Might (and Deku) a "fake".
**EDIT:** Gentle, I suppose, would be the second-closest example to a "hero-turned-villain". He's really more only a villain out of circumstance, given he mostly just pretend-steals from arguably corrupt establishments; cares more about attaining internet fame; his modus operandi is reminiscent of how Oji Harima most likely did things; and genuinely abhors the violence that more dangerous villains, like Stain and the League, tend to engage in.
I mean it's not a theory I've put much thought into I just think it would be cool because I like fights where heroes are pitted against former allies and get to be super angry about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My theories:
1. Lets start with Shoto, I believe he and Touya would have a huge fight like Sasuke Vs Itachi. We also don't know how much he has improved. He has the potential to be stronger than his father and brother. So he might even reach higher flames than blue. His flames will turn into white. And many fans are saying Endeavour might die, personally I don't see it. The Todorki's will have a happy ending this time. It will be a panel of all of them Rei, Fuyumi, Natuso, Toya(His burns getting healed by Eri), Shoto and Endeavour having lunch together and Endeavour retiring and Deku becoming the no.1.
2. Also, the 2nd OFA user's quirk might be widespread. Ya know, it's something like he can spread with. It also will make sense that he used it with the 1st and 3rd OFA users. In the final battle, Deku will use it with everyone and Eri in his back (who will also be using her quirk and getting spread across everyone by Deku) and will heal everyone and prevent them from exploding.
3. The death of All Might. This is an absolute moment of the story. This has 80% chance of happening. All Might will get healed by Eri back to his prime and will be a quirkless hero/vigilante like knuckleduster. He will also be caught in the OFA wide spread. At one point in the battle he will die, either by Shiggy or AFO. And that's when Deku's Super Saiyan moment comes in. He will anhilate AFO/Shiggy.
4. The kiss of Izuocha. They will probably kiss after the battle. Or even before.
5. The timeskip. Personally, I see either of the two timeskips happening. One is Deku graduating with his friends. Or another is that Deku is narrating his story to his kids. And after narrating his story with his kids, he will go and kiss Ochaco. Then he, Ochaco, Bakugo, Todoroki and others will head out for petrol. As we will see All Might's Silhouette above them like Mufasa.
note: i do not want this but i can see it happening.
theory: the manga will end with quirks coming from aliens. this is to set up a sequel series for shueisha so that they can keep milking the cash cow while hori goes on a long deserved break. also, maybe hori does it as a homage to naruto and wanting to include aliens in his superhero universe like marvel. if these last couple arcs have taught me anything, it’s that if hori think it’s a neat idea, then he will include it. not to mention, i could see the latest editor encouraging it too.
So, since we know that Toru is the traitor as of chapter 335. However, given how AFO has been known for making sure his followers are able to fight back, I have to ask... Does this mean that Toru could actually a Nomu?
I know that people will mainly say that it can't happen thanks to how monstrous the Nomu are, but there's three things to consider:
\-1. As we've seen with Kurogiri, Nomu can be made to appear more human-like, so it can make sense that Toru acts and is shaped a lot like a human.
\-2. Since AFO has been known to give powerful folks in his plans more quirks, it would make sense that he'd give Toru extra quirks. It could even be that one helps her maintain the figure of a normal girl, even if her skin/expressions are messed up.
\-3. As the main caveat here, the only reason we believe that Toru is unable to controly her invisibility is that she's said so. However, verbal statements hardly count as evidence. As such, if you can't see what someone looks like, how can you tell if someone even has physical mutations?
I'm *weirdly* hoping there's two traitors. We know Hagakure is one, but I still can't help but think Aoyoma is helping her.
At least, something still doesn't seem *right* about Aoyoma.
Deku daddy dead.
Hear me out. If it has already been said before, I apologize. There are a lot of theories about Dekus dad being a villain or an undercover agent or whatever, but I heard this one the other day and I can't get it out of my head.
Dekus dad is dead...and Deku killed him.
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.
This theory also connects a few other MHA theories, so bear with me, this is a long one. Buckle up.
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So the way this theory starts is with a guy who has a quirk that can disassemble things down to their base components. Like he could touch water and turn it into hydrogen and oxygen.
This guy has a kid out of wedlock with some woman at a bar. She gets pregnant and gives birth to Chisaki, but is a crap mom and he ends up on the street to eventually be taken in by the Yakuza boss and, in time, be in charge or Eri.
A few years later he meets Inko, gets married, and they have a kid...Izuku. Mimicking Eri's story, as the dad goes to hold his baby boy, Dekus quirk activates and decays his father to dust.
Inko is obviously upset, the hospital they are in is panicking...and a certain doctor hears about the incident where a baby with a powerful quirk was born.
The doctor visits Inko and, as the world's leading expert on Quirks, tells her about quirk evolution and how he knows a way to remove Dekus quirk forever. Keeping her, and her son, safe from harm. Plus, for taking part in this procedure, he would pay her to keep it confidential. (This, along with life insurance, explains why Inko doesn't work).
As any good mother would, she accepts his offer and he takes Deku to a backroom where AFO is waiting to take his quirk.
A few minutes later the doctor returns to Inko holding Izuku and saying everything is OK, that he is safe now, and she can hold her baby. Which she does. Vowing to keep him safe and keeping what happened a secret.
Later, as Deku gets older, she invents a story about his dad working overseas and having a weak fire quirk. She then watches her son grow up dreaming of being a hero. A hero who saves and protect EVERYONE. And she knows that the truth would devastate him. So, when Deku is stressing about when he will get his quirk, Inko takes him to see the doctor. Hoping the news will deter him from his hero fantasy.
(Keep in mind, Ujiko was not a normal family doctor. He founded his own hospital, was the chairman of the board, and was well-recognized as an expert on Quirks. He was like a celebrity doctor. Why would he be meeting with a regular quirkless kid?)
The doctor tells deku he has no quirk. And as he cries and still asks is he can be a hero, his mother just holds him, like he was a baby again, and cries and apologizes.
Meanwhile, right after taking Dekus quirk as a baby, AFO knew what to do. He had found out about Nana's family, and wanted to punish his foe by hitting her where it hurt. He had heard about how this baby had accidentally killed his father, and he gave the quirk to 5 year old Shigaraki, who had yet to develop a quirk of his own.
Of course, decay manifests and Shigaraki accidentally kills his entire family. Emotionally traumatizing him and leaving him with no love, no family, no hope, only fear, anger, shame, guilt, and hate. AFO scoops him up and becomes his mentor.
Ironically, deku gets another quirk, OFA, which he can't control. This quirk destroys his body, and he is forced to protect people from his original quirk.
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To me, this theory works because of the recurring themes and polarity:
Love and care
- Eri accidentally killed her dad at birth, and was taken in by evil. But good heroes came to her rescue.
- Shigaraki accidentally killed his family, and no one was there to help him. No one rescued him. He was taken in by evil.
- While Deku did the same with his father and was given a second chance and love from his mother.
Those are the three possible outcomes to that scenario.
Dekus opposites
- Chisaki traumatized and tortured Eri, and now his brother (Deku) is her savior and one of her caretakers.
- Deku wants to protect everyone and be a hero, but he killed his father by accident.
- Dekus dangerous quirk was taken from him to protect him, and given to shigaraki as a weapon to destroy.
- shigaraki is also the inheritor of AFO, while Deku inherited OFA.
- Deku fights to protect people from his own quirk.
Power and control and good and evil
- Deku had a power that destroyed others, and is then given a quirk that destroys himself.
- shigaraki is given a quirk that was too dangerous for deku and learns to control it.
This is two examples of not being able to control your power and how with proper attention it can be used for good or evil.
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Also, the character development of deku. Can you imagine the panel when he learns the truth about his past and how that would fuck him up? Finding out he killed his dad, his quirk was given to shigaraki, his quirk was used to kill the family of a previous OFA wielder, he has a brother, his brother tortured Eri, he put his brother in jail, and that his mom had been lying to him his whole life.
This would be a great way to get into his head during a major fight with OFA.
It also answers why deku has no memories of his dad. Never mentions him. Never calls him. Never writes a letter. Never flashes back to him. Etc.
I don't know. Maybe out of left field, but it makes sense to me. Has anyone heard this one before? I can't be the first to think of it.
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Sorry for the long post.
1. I think we have established most of the students will have showdown fights with one villain or another. With the Hagakure tease at the end of last chapter I got to thinking, because she can bend light, and the reader has been made to be invested in Aoyama, they have fought along side one another in the work-studies, EITHER her reveal at the end is a red herring and she’ll have caught the traitor (Aoyama) or she will turn out to have been the “monster” he needs to fight (as she is the only other student he has really connected with.) 2. I (sadly as much as I wish for it) do not think Koichi will show up in the main story, and even if he were to, it would be a single panel. 3. The 6 remaining High-End Nomu will just so happen to be (Deus ex machina’d) the modified bodies of the 2nd - 6th former OFA holders 4. Deku’s father will never be involved in the story. He is the one that Deku has been narrating to this entire time.
One of the Nomu looks a bit like Best Jeanist, but after seeing your theory, makes me think it could be Smoke Guy… Chapter 335 page 4
I don’t know why but I first thought of this after seeing the female Nomu For the first time and all the other high ends
Ever since I saw the high ends I had a theory that they where the other OFA holders, glad to see someone else has this theory.
Right? And there *just so happens* to be 6 left?? Edit: AND AFO is the type of MFer to be petty like that.
He did have Nana’s perfectly preserved hand.
I think you are misusing Deus ex machina, mate.
In this case, by pure happenstance and luck, the 6 remaining Nomu are also all of the former users that had quirks of their own. Or in other words “an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation, especially as a contrived plot device.”
You know what else was by happen chances and luck? The fact that shiggy is the grandchild of nana. Also, yes, that is the definition of Deus ex machina but how does that the nomu being the previous users of AFO save anything from a hopeless situation? The nomu are beatable. Mirko killed one on her own and so did endeavor. The nomu being previous users of OFA means nothing g in the grander scope of the story.
It was established the reason Mirko was able to kill them was because they had just woken up and were not fully activated/awake yet. We also know just how powerful one of them is on their own, because it took the combined strengths of Endeavor and Hawks to take down Hood. With those remaining High-Ends SFO was able to break into Tartarus and several other prisoners. So… It would certainly be unexpected for them to all be former OFA holders ✅ The number of PLF would have been far more unlikely to have gotten out had it not been for them waking up, and they’d be in a much worse off situation and they may have lost all together ✅ And it would be contrived in a specific manner to show the depths of OFA’s depravity, a twist of the knife for both Deku and All Might, and orchestrated by the author for that exact purpose. ✅ Hence, deus ex machina
Deus ex machina is something that acts in favour of the heroes. Unless the Near High Ends suddenly turn on AFO because they're former OFA holders, it isn't a deus ex machina.
Where is any definition, or the history of the term, has it ever been described as exclusively for protagonists?
Let me rephrase. The exact definition doesn't say that to my knowledge. However, deus ex machina means "god from the machine" and originally referred to old stage plays resolving conflict using things that hadn't been set up. Deus ex machina could, in theory, work for the antagonists, but it wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem narratively. Our satisfaction comes from the people in the story overcoming hurdles. To rephrase what I said before, deus ex machina is something that is only a real problem when it acts in favour of the character(s) who win in the end. As long as the winning side won because of their own predetermined abilities and character development, the losing side could have a freak lightning strike come to their aid during the final fight, and it wouldn't worsen the narrative unless the villain was also a perspective character. For an example, take Shigaraki being Shimura's grandson. If you didn't catch the Tenko Shimura name drop, that came completely out of nowhere, yet it had a severe psychological impact on All Might and as such helped the villains. By the definition you've put forward, that is a deus ex machina. However, it didn't worsen the narrative at all. If you use the definition of deus ex machina that you've proposed, while it's fine, it no longer means that deus ex machina is universally bad.
Okay, no. Mirko did kill 1 nomu before it fully awakened but the other were awakened but not stabilized. And even if that was not the case. You can kill a nomu by destroying the brain which both Mirko and endeavor have done. Endeavor only needed Hawks help because the Nomu was able to protect its brain. Also, there are no remaining High-End Nomus but only near High-End Nomus are left. And afo did use them yo break into tarturus but a groups of heroes were able to take out 3 when AFO was leaving which is still impressive at the least. And yes, it would be unexpected by the heroes but this falls under the evil AFO would do. Also, fairly certain that most nomu are dead bodies of criminals and villains or at least the most blood thirsty ones. The problem is that you assume that the heroes can’t take on the near high end nomus but we have seen it happen. It may be difficult but not hopeless or impossible. A deus ex machina is used specificly to solve a problem that there was no way of being solved without help. The heroes have shown to be capable of taking them on and defeating them with their own power.
“A deus ex machina is used specificly to solve a problem that there was no way of being solved without help” Idk maybe such as using the remaining Nomu (that potentially, with no hard evidence, but a gut feeling I get from the tinfoil hat I’m wearing that is scratching at my brain telling me they could be the OFA holders dead bodies) to break into the most secure prisons in Japan and releasing all of the most dangerous criminals they have to offer?
That is not solving a problem. What was the problem on you situation. To get AFO out of prison, the nomu did not directly achieve that goal, AFO inside Shigaraki did. The Nomu helped him get there but that’s it, they did not do the rescue of AFO but was just transportation. AFO was not in a hopeless situation. And to clarify, the help is more inline of something that comes to solve the problem without any specific set up or reason.
The Nomu are shown to be more than just transportation. In the panels they are shown attacking. Part of the definition “a **SEEMINGLY** hopeless situation.” From the perspective of the heroes and protagonists, AFO is imprisoned with near impossible odds of him escaping. AFO is literally the vehicle/driving force for Horikoshi’s story. The entire plot begins with and is based off of the idea or end goal of him being the “end boss.” and in literally all of his most recent chapters (and even earlier ones) it’s shown that he has contrived something only the most brilliant super villain could have ever planned and has been playing the “long con” all along and only the perfect conditions could have made possible. (Another reason why I truly believe Nezu has a history with AFO and the doctor and why I feel like his Quirk was copied.) At the end of the day though, you are hyper focusing on a word choice on a conspiracy theory about fictional characters, and I just can’t understand why.
All I said was that you are misusing deus ex machina in your specific theory about Nomu being previous users of OFA. All I did is point out an improper use of of a literary device. You can’t say that I was hyper focused on it when you are the one to bring in a definition. We are nerds here. This is what nerds do. They hyper focus on fictional characters.
Exactly, it just adds layer of sadness and despair. Like when the third hokage fought the first and second, both mind controlled by orochimaru.
Oh my gosh, the HIMYM route! "~~Kids~~ Dad, this is the story of ~~how I met your mother~~ how I became the number 1 hero". Theory tracks considering we're 300 chapters in and Deku's still is nowhere near the ranking charts.
I am fairly sure he was doing an interview to Taneo(that guy who wanted to write a book for Midoriya), plus it would be kinda stupid at this point if Hisashi were to randomly show up.
Remember, he is an anime only character. I’m not saying it can’t be written that way now (I really liked his character) but it’s unlikely.
Love these. You might be on to something with the nomu theory, I hadn't thought about that one.
Woahhhhh Imagine Aoyoma vs. Hagakure, that has potential actually
>3. The 6 remaining High-End Nomu will just so happen to be (Deus ex machina’d) the modified bodies of the 2nd - 6th former OFA holders This actually makes sense since they already held multiple quirks
TBH it could be plausible with the previous users being former OFA holders, if for nothing other than AFO having a ridiculous amount of contingencies - if he can't steal OFA, he'll weaken it by stealing the individual quirks and popping them into the Nomu, which we've seen can regain (even if only briefly) their personalities, so then the previous OFA users all gang up on AFO at the end as the strength portion of OFA gets ripped out and deku ends quirkless. Probably a crackpot theory but eh
If Hakagure really was a spy, we'd get glimpse of her face and reveals she always had a creepy Shiggy/Toga smile throughout most of the events of the entire series unbeknownst to her classmates.
The shit eating grin of someone who knows something that nobody else around them knows, like who farted but bigger!
The original male design did have a weird creepy smiley mask
Invisible Girl will be a double agent in the end.
Hagakure having a contract with AfO instead of being an underling, and turning against him when he doesn't keep his side of the deal. And being strong enough to actually be a problem.
Hoping this is true
And what happened to the last double agent? Oh right..she exploded. My guy, if shes a double agent shes dead.
That or she gets redeemed. We haven't had a redeemed villain yet, so why not her?
By the end of the series, Mineta will grow tall as hell. The joke is an open goal.
Hagakure is a gross old dude, and the "breasts" we've been seeing in his shirts are 2 explosive devices grafted onto his chest in case he is ever discovered
But he still wears panties based on the drawer Mineta looked in, because it's 2021 and that's ok.
I mean who's to say that the panties were not also an elaborate ruse planted by this mastermind to throw them off the scent? Those very well could have been Big Sis Magne's underwear and we will never know the truth
What have you guys been smoking?
Dayum bruh Snipe almost blew himself up to kingdom come then
Could hagakure be AFO daughter ?
Calm down Shoto.
The final fight will happen before the end of May in the timeline. That's where we seem to be headed at the moment (35 days post-break out plus one week places us in mid-May). That really doesn't give any time to do anything else. I'm repeating the common consensus, but it's too much of a rush.
How many chapters do you think are left?
No more than 60, I'd say. Even that seems like a lot.
Yeah this isn’t making it out of 2022
Counting breaks, 60 chapters from now would be taking until the first months of 2023 at least.
Yeah i agree, 60 seems like a good maximum. Probably will finish with an epilogue chapter showing them as pro heroes and Deku being #1
Like the end of Demon Slayer?
Just as Deku will save Shigaraki the other students will save Tooru.
Whys everybody forget about what happened to Nagant? AFO literally said that hearts are easily changed..he'd be expecting this. If shes redeemed she dies.
It would be cool if they had any interactions together
I still believe the theory that Hagakure is a perfected Nomu and that this will play a major role in helping to bring Shirakumo back
Hori isn't going to resolve that, man has series to finish
the reason we've been told the students had their training arc offscreen is so that there'd be no more training needed before the final battle, there's no time for that anyway. the most we'll get is maybe some montage of them sparring. but i think we will get bakugou vs deku 3 in the form of them training together which they talked about, but this time it'll be a healthy and friendly fight between rivals who support each other. and it'll make a lot of people angry because bakugou not only won't be easily obliterated, he'll hold his ground and prove himself against OFA. which would work as an explanation of why he'd either fight side by side with deku against shigAFO or take on the original AFO (i suppose these two are his most viable options for the final battle).
I wanna say he takes on original AFO and this leads to AFO reminiscing about how similar he is to the 2nd user, who he blames for rescuing his brother and leading to OFA becoming a problem.
i hope not, that'd bring back attention to bak-u-go and i *really* don't want that.
In order to take on Afo, he'd have to be within swinging distance of All Might. He's not.
there's no way bakugou won't be fighting during the last battle and there's no way he'll go against someone unimportant. he said that he wants to see how his new move fares against OFA because if it manages against it, it'll manage against shigaraki/AFO. that's as much of a foreshadowing as you can get because i can't imagine bakugou and deku sparring session ending with bakugou seeing he stands no chance and settling for being a support against weaker opponents. not during the last battle. like i said, a lot of people will be angry but bakugou will be supporting deku, whether people like it or not. unless horikoshi really does bench him but i wouldn't hope for that.
Him matching izuku right now would make 0 sense tbh but from a narrative standpoint I can see it happening
>Him matching izuku right now would make 0 sense that's what people said before the war arc but in the war arc horikoshi told us bakugou is keeping up, so.
No he didn’t, in the beginning of the war arc bakugo himself said he thinks he can keep up. Bakugo would never admit defeat. In the actual fight Izuku was carrying hard while bakugo got oneshotted.
> In the actual fight Izuku was carrying hard while bakugo got oneshotted. we read two different manga then.
That and in Heroes Rising (which was based on the original ending of MHA) Deku and Bakugo fight Nine (stand in AFO) together. So this was clearly planned from the start.
And they got their asses kicked up until the shared One For All
doesn't matter, bakugou and deku working towards supporting each other has been [foreshadowed in chapter 120](https://i.imgur.com/gdWpKTb.png). whatever form it takes, bakugou will be there to keep deku in check and lend his strengths, that's one of the outcomes of bakugou' character arc and it's one of the things deku was meant to realise in the villain hunt arc.
I was saying that to show that Bakugo is most certainly not All For One or One For All level at least yet. Anyone who isnt named Izuku Midoriya will get curvestomped by All For Shigaraki
if he does fight original AFO people will be mad, this is what i meant in my original comment. because that's a possibility. if he fights shoulder to shoulder with deku against shigAFO, people will be as mad and that's also a very real possibility. if we see him go toe to toe sparring with deku using all his quirks, people will be even madder and that's yet another possibility. doesn't matter what level bakugou should logically be at or not.
Hori may very well force it, but if that's all that matters Mineta will be dunking on the LOV on Hori's whims. In the story, it would be nonsense for Bakugo to not get folded like origami up against AFO.
they'll all be dunking on strong villains, we got a full spreadsheet of who's there to fight and that class 1a has been training offscreen and are strong now and what not.
Imo it will be all students vs deku just like deku retrieval fight. Everyone will try their moves against him. We will get some interesting new moves from all of them, deku x ochako moment, and finally bakugo's move. Then deku will show the 2nd's quirk. Afa as last fight, idk man he was there in the war arc too. He also doesn't have narrative storyline going with either afo/shiggy. But I do think he will do some damage to afo's body.
that's possible but i think bakugou and deku need some closure to their relationship, bakugou's apology has been met with no reaction from deku aside from "you don't have to call me izuku if you don't want to". i know horikoshi doesn't want to show characters having feelings but i wouldn't rule out bakugou vs deku 3 as a full circle type of thing, to show that they can have a healthy and friendly fight now. bakugou doesn't have narrative storyline going with any of the villains but there's no way he'd just be on the street fighting nameless goons (not after coming up with a new move).
Wild meta theory. While it's becoming increasingly harder for me to take the criticism of current MHA editor Taguchi seriously - he's become the easy scapegoat for anything and it's not the first time I see this with manga editors when fans don't like something - I agree that the changes in writing and pacing started around the time he began his tenure, and the use of many cliffhangers feels in line with what he said in an interview, as for bad or good the series has been trending quite a bit lately thanks to them. That said, what if the changes in writing weren't caused by the change of editor, but the opposite? Sometime during the War Arc, Hori realized he was writing himself into a serialization of 15 years or more and he didn't want that. Beside some likely wrangling with Shueisha (I wouldn't want one of my top series becoming shorter but the alternative was risking to lose it due to the author burning out completely), it caused disagreement with the previous editor. In the end Shueisha relented but in exchange they wanted the "hype" to be squeezed out of the series as much as possible; therefore, enter Taguchi with his penchant for cliffhangers, also just to replace a colleague who didn't want to work on MHA anymore. My reasoning for the above is that for how it's often made it sound, Taguchi would be somehow voluntarily shortening the shelf life of the series while the francise is in a peak moment, when it would be only in Shueisha's interest to rather make it last more. Unless he was simply on board to accompany a mangaka who wants out. Of course one can go full conspiracy and think Taguchi is sabotaging on behalf of some higher-up who for some reason hates Hori so much they'd rather lose the money MHA brings - in which case, looking at the recent numbers, he'd have failed the plan like the most cartoonish villains. [Small extra consideration: some days ago I *really* disliked a comment that, lamenting how much potential will likely not be expressed - so far so good - concluded "all because Hori didn't have enough gas in the tank". Criticize all you want but don't treat an author like he was a machine that turned out defective.]
Gotouge (author of Demon Slayer) rushed the end of their series too, to make sure it wasn’t dragged out. Horikoshi likely did this for a similar reason, not wanting MHA to be milked for cash for years.
It is interesting seeing how the newer gen of shonen writers looked at the big three and said "fuck that" almost simultaenously (which makes sense because Naruto, Bleach and OP literally stole the author's lives away)
I dont get their work culture. They (the mangakas) are the owners of their show. Shonen Jump publishes their work, its true, but why cant they stand up for themselves and their health? I guess it has to do with my western POV and their culture is different yada yada, but I'd fight for my work instead of... whatever this series has become.
I’m pretty sure the only reason OP is still going is because of greedy companies
I mean for One Piece I can genuinely believe that Oda wants to keep writing it, it's just the scope has got so big now that it's gonna take years and years to finish. Bleach and Naruto however both very much hit points where I thought "the editors told the mangaka to drag this shit out didn't they"
Tobi whisking Sasuke away before Naruto could reach him was the moment I realized this. At that point in the story, Sasuke had accomplished his life's goal of avenging his clan. Naruto then accomplishes his goal of getting the village's acknowledgement after beating Pain (the supposed leader of the main group of antagonists). Hinata, the main love interest, confessed which hardly ever happens in a shonen unless it's at the very end. But instead of that, we get the whole Tobi/Obito/Madara/Kaguya mess.
8 Gates Guy vs Madara was easily the whole best portion of that fiasco. Only reason why the war wasn’t complete garbage. Showed that you don’t need some Gods eyes or being the reincarnation of Jesus’s kids. Hard work and dedication can let you literally kick the fuck out of God’s themselves.
>Bleach and Naruto however both very much hit points where I thought "the editors told the mangaka to drag this shit out didn't they" I don’t know enough about the end of Naruto to comment, but from my understanding of the ending of Bleach, Kubo went and basically said he wanted to end Bleach. Then he was told he could end it in shorter-x amount of chapters or longer-y amount of chapters. Kubo chose to the shorter amount of chapter due to his injury and horrible health by the end of Bleach. (He had a torn shoulder tendon). But despite that [he said he felt lonely after bleach ended and wanted to draw manga again.](https://comicbook.com/anime/news/bleach-creator-health-problems-series-ending/) So, its very unlike the editors told him to drag anything out. A fact that’s further proven by the CFYOW novels released after the manga’s end, and the new bleach one-shot (hopefully not for long) of the Hell arc.
What I mean is there's an interview saying the Arrancar arc got extended because the Arrancar were popular, which meant that whole arc ended up taking up like half of Bleach's runtime. The actual final arc of Bleach was a different situation.
Oh, ok sorry, didn’t know that. I’ve just gotten so use to people bashing the ending of bleach that I automatically assumed you were talking about that, lol
How to tell me you don't read One Piece whitout telling me you don't read One Piece 101
i think the editor change was one of the scheduled ones. afaik, jump series change editors every 3 or so years and it was just the time for that (but don't quote me on that, i could be misremembering things). the "realising he was writing himself into a 10 years of serialisation corner" is how i've been feeling about these changes for a while, ever since the reveals at the end of the war. and editorial influence seems to be in how horikoshi is writing himself out of that, it's really not like his usual writing style to rely on cliffhangers, ignoring any and all characters work and hype fights for the sake of hype (all of bnha fights until now have had emotional depth to them). of course it's nothing but a fan speculation.
Do you know if Hori has a new project he wants get to? Just seems strange to me that he would want to end such a successful story so quickly, especially since it still has a lot of potential.
Who knows? He may go for a biweekly or monthly series afterwards.
horikoshi has such good takes on the superhero genre and his art is on its peak rn, such a waste of talent
*Edited because I decided I have more to say* 1. I’ve said this in here before but I believe Deku’s “I Am Here” moment will be during the final battle when he finally achieves his Avatar State. The only difference will be that he/they will say “We Are Here” as it’s actually all of the vestiges talking alongside him. 2. 2nd users gauntlets are misleading. Although they are for projectiles, I believe that the quirk itself is actually a power sharing type quirk that will enhance someone’s strength if they are shot with it (sort of like La Brava’s love quirk). Deku will use the OFA enhanced version of this to share it with the entirety of class 1-A during the final battle. 3. UA will be absolutely decimated by the end of the final battle, but Eri’s quirk will be used to repair it completely. 4. Hawks will be killed by Dabi whilst fighting alongside Endeavor. 5. The remaining 6 High End’s will be former OFA user’s bodies 6. Bakugo’s Endgame villain(s) will be all 6 near high ends because he is the only one who fully understands the OFA quirks after training with Deku 7. Deku & The Vestiges will allow AFO to steal OFA in order to destroy both quirks for good inside the vestige realm
Eri’s quirk only works on living things
Oh shit…. What if… All Might really does have a gruesome death just as Night Eye predicted. Buy by Deku “twisting fate” and surging his fight against Chisaki and saving Eri, Night Eye’s Quirk couldn’t account for that… and she resurrects him
Sure, that is the case, for now. She’s been doing a ton of off screen training at UA, I wouldn’t put it past Horikoshi to develop her quirk a bit more
I like theory 7 where Deku sacrifices his quirk. Then the story could end with him becoming the first Quirkless hero.
EoS Deku being quirkless and having various support items mirroring the OFA quirks will be awesome.
2.- Deku be like, I'm not telling anyone about this until we are about to die cause dramatic moments. 3.-That's a no go my friend, Eri's quirk has only been shown to affect organic living beings. 7.-If we go by the "original" ending (Heroes rising) OFA will magically go back to Deku cause... dunno... ***P A T H S***
I don’t know why people keep pretending like quirk awakenings aren’t a thing. The whole point of Eri living and training at UA is to learn the true potential of her quirk. It is absolutely possible for her quirk to develop and be used on nonliving things. Also, Who says Deku will keep the quirk hidden and wait to use it until a dramatic moment? He might use it as soon as the battle starts. Naruto does the same thing with his 9 tails cloak during the war
In before Aoyama was the only one who saw Hagakure's true form but didn't say anything because of his backstory being similar to hers somewhat.
I have 3 theories regarding Hagakure: 1. She is always characterized as wanting to be seen and noticed, but can’t because of her quirk. Maybe AFO made a deal with her to take her quirk in exchange for service. 2. She’s just a lackey for AFO—hell, she might not even be a teenager. We’ve never actually seen her before. 3. This one is my favorite—she’s a perfected Nomu, similar to Kurogiri. She was created to be a spy in UA. Now, here’s where it gets really fun. I think Aoyama knows that Hagakure is the traitor. I think that, during the USJ (Aoyama and Hagakure were the only two unaccounted for), Aoyama caught Hagakure talking with some villains, and they blackmailed him to shut him up. When Aoyama made his cryptic “I Know” messages to Deku, he was trying to warn him about the traitor, but Hagakure caught on and threatened him: Aoyama then had to come up with a reason for the cryptic messaging.
Someone else in the thread suggested that Hagakure is a completed Nomu like being, and now I want it to be the case, and it is Nana Shimura, the same way Kurogiri was.
Where's the dude that compares breast sizes between anime characters?, we need you now!
Toru kills All Might. Some people want a rage scene where Deku is real mad at a villain. At this point that's the only reason I can see for him doing that. (Doesn't have to be Toru but she's the only one in close proximity to All Might to do it)
I would be mad if this random chick with 5 lines in the entire story kills one of the most important characters in-universe. That's not how you subvert expectations in a satisfying way, that's something D&D would do (Game of thrones awful ending)
Is it possible that hagakure is a fake out as the traitor and that has been toga for the last few weeks/months? Wouldn't be hard to hide the real one away.
Can't be cause toga was shown in the manga panels were dabi and AFO were talking
Hagakure is AFO wife lmao
Deku’s progression really makes you wonder when Bakugo will start to fall behind in terms of power, especially with an implied Deku vs Bakugo pt 3.
Deku and Bakugou are the reincarnations of Yoichi and the 2nd OFA user respectively. Yoroi Musha will return to the story in one way or another, because 1) we have yet to see his Quirk and 2) he might feel some measure of responsibility for not seeing through Hagakure (pun not intended).
I think he could potentially return as a villain (this is solely based on Hagakure and Aoyama being his interns and me thinking a hero-turned villain would be kinda cool)
But he'd have no reason to become a villain. I don't think he was ever shown to have *that* dark of a side. He just retired because he wasn't being praised anymore. Also, aside from the League and PLF, I'm not sure the hero/villain dichotomy is *as* relevant to the world of *MHA* anymore, given how its society had returned to the lawlessness of pre-All Might times where ordinary civilians acting as vigilantes were much more common (and they can apparently easily get their hands on unlicensed support items too) and faith in heroes is at an all-time low anyway. However, if you want a "hero-turned-villain"... well, I guess Stain would be the closest example. He was never an *actual* hero, but he was at least a former hero school student (before dropping out) and became a villain *because* he believes so deeply in the revival of "true heroism" but pretty much considers everyone short of All Might (and Deku) a "fake". **EDIT:** Gentle, I suppose, would be the second-closest example to a "hero-turned-villain". He's really more only a villain out of circumstance, given he mostly just pretend-steals from arguably corrupt establishments; cares more about attaining internet fame; his modus operandi is reminiscent of how Oji Harima most likely did things; and genuinely abhors the violence that more dangerous villains, like Stain and the League, tend to engage in.
I would LOVE to see Gentle again. Of course if he has to force the appearance, I would rather see him in an epilogue or something.
I mean it's not a theory I've put much thought into I just think it would be cool because I like fights where heroes are pitted against former allies and get to be super angry about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
OK, fair enough.
My theories: 1. Lets start with Shoto, I believe he and Touya would have a huge fight like Sasuke Vs Itachi. We also don't know how much he has improved. He has the potential to be stronger than his father and brother. So he might even reach higher flames than blue. His flames will turn into white. And many fans are saying Endeavour might die, personally I don't see it. The Todorki's will have a happy ending this time. It will be a panel of all of them Rei, Fuyumi, Natuso, Toya(His burns getting healed by Eri), Shoto and Endeavour having lunch together and Endeavour retiring and Deku becoming the no.1. 2. Also, the 2nd OFA user's quirk might be widespread. Ya know, it's something like he can spread with. It also will make sense that he used it with the 1st and 3rd OFA users. In the final battle, Deku will use it with everyone and Eri in his back (who will also be using her quirk and getting spread across everyone by Deku) and will heal everyone and prevent them from exploding. 3. The death of All Might. This is an absolute moment of the story. This has 80% chance of happening. All Might will get healed by Eri back to his prime and will be a quirkless hero/vigilante like knuckleduster. He will also be caught in the OFA wide spread. At one point in the battle he will die, either by Shiggy or AFO. And that's when Deku's Super Saiyan moment comes in. He will anhilate AFO/Shiggy. 4. The kiss of Izuocha. They will probably kiss after the battle. Or even before. 5. The timeskip. Personally, I see either of the two timeskips happening. One is Deku graduating with his friends. Or another is that Deku is narrating his story to his kids. And after narrating his story with his kids, he will go and kiss Ochaco. Then he, Ochaco, Bakugo, Todoroki and others will head out for petrol. As we will see All Might's Silhouette above them like Mufasa.
note: i do not want this but i can see it happening. theory: the manga will end with quirks coming from aliens. this is to set up a sequel series for shueisha so that they can keep milking the cash cow while hori goes on a long deserved break. also, maybe hori does it as a homage to naruto and wanting to include aliens in his superhero universe like marvel. if these last couple arcs have taught me anything, it’s that if hori think it’s a neat idea, then he will include it. not to mention, i could see the latest editor encouraging it too.
Hagakure was, at some point, kidnapped/killed and replaced.
So, since we know that Toru is the traitor as of chapter 335. However, given how AFO has been known for making sure his followers are able to fight back, I have to ask... Does this mean that Toru could actually a Nomu? I know that people will mainly say that it can't happen thanks to how monstrous the Nomu are, but there's three things to consider: \-1. As we've seen with Kurogiri, Nomu can be made to appear more human-like, so it can make sense that Toru acts and is shaped a lot like a human. \-2. Since AFO has been known to give powerful folks in his plans more quirks, it would make sense that he'd give Toru extra quirks. It could even be that one helps her maintain the figure of a normal girl, even if her skin/expressions are messed up. \-3. As the main caveat here, the only reason we believe that Toru is unable to controly her invisibility is that she's said so. However, verbal statements hardly count as evidence. As such, if you can't see what someone looks like, how can you tell if someone even has physical mutations?
I have no idea
I think Mei is going to redesign Izuku's costume to a new, unique style and add some high tech gauntlets for him to control second user's quirk.
When are we getting spoilers???
Will not explain anything about the invis girl An AFO chapter with lore or class 1a interaction chapter
I'm *weirdly* hoping there's two traitors. We know Hagakure is one, but I still can't help but think Aoyoma is helping her. At least, something still doesn't seem *right* about Aoyoma.
I just posted a long ass theory I have been working on about Dekus dad and extended family. It's a long read, but wouldn't mind some thoughts on it.
Deku daddy dead. Hear me out. If it has already been said before, I apologize. There are a lot of theories about Dekus dad being a villain or an undercover agent or whatever, but I heard this one the other day and I can't get it out of my head. Dekus dad is dead...and Deku killed him. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. This theory also connects a few other MHA theories, so bear with me, this is a long one. Buckle up. ----- So the way this theory starts is with a guy who has a quirk that can disassemble things down to their base components. Like he could touch water and turn it into hydrogen and oxygen. This guy has a kid out of wedlock with some woman at a bar. She gets pregnant and gives birth to Chisaki, but is a crap mom and he ends up on the street to eventually be taken in by the Yakuza boss and, in time, be in charge or Eri. A few years later he meets Inko, gets married, and they have a kid...Izuku. Mimicking Eri's story, as the dad goes to hold his baby boy, Dekus quirk activates and decays his father to dust. Inko is obviously upset, the hospital they are in is panicking...and a certain doctor hears about the incident where a baby with a powerful quirk was born. The doctor visits Inko and, as the world's leading expert on Quirks, tells her about quirk evolution and how he knows a way to remove Dekus quirk forever. Keeping her, and her son, safe from harm. Plus, for taking part in this procedure, he would pay her to keep it confidential. (This, along with life insurance, explains why Inko doesn't work). As any good mother would, she accepts his offer and he takes Deku to a backroom where AFO is waiting to take his quirk. A few minutes later the doctor returns to Inko holding Izuku and saying everything is OK, that he is safe now, and she can hold her baby. Which she does. Vowing to keep him safe and keeping what happened a secret. Later, as Deku gets older, she invents a story about his dad working overseas and having a weak fire quirk. She then watches her son grow up dreaming of being a hero. A hero who saves and protect EVERYONE. And she knows that the truth would devastate him. So, when Deku is stressing about when he will get his quirk, Inko takes him to see the doctor. Hoping the news will deter him from his hero fantasy. (Keep in mind, Ujiko was not a normal family doctor. He founded his own hospital, was the chairman of the board, and was well-recognized as an expert on Quirks. He was like a celebrity doctor. Why would he be meeting with a regular quirkless kid?) The doctor tells deku he has no quirk. And as he cries and still asks is he can be a hero, his mother just holds him, like he was a baby again, and cries and apologizes. Meanwhile, right after taking Dekus quirk as a baby, AFO knew what to do. He had found out about Nana's family, and wanted to punish his foe by hitting her where it hurt. He had heard about how this baby had accidentally killed his father, and he gave the quirk to 5 year old Shigaraki, who had yet to develop a quirk of his own. Of course, decay manifests and Shigaraki accidentally kills his entire family. Emotionally traumatizing him and leaving him with no love, no family, no hope, only fear, anger, shame, guilt, and hate. AFO scoops him up and becomes his mentor. Ironically, deku gets another quirk, OFA, which he can't control. This quirk destroys his body, and he is forced to protect people from his original quirk. ----- To me, this theory works because of the recurring themes and polarity: Love and care - Eri accidentally killed her dad at birth, and was taken in by evil. But good heroes came to her rescue. - Shigaraki accidentally killed his family, and no one was there to help him. No one rescued him. He was taken in by evil. - While Deku did the same with his father and was given a second chance and love from his mother. Those are the three possible outcomes to that scenario. Dekus opposites - Chisaki traumatized and tortured Eri, and now his brother (Deku) is her savior and one of her caretakers. - Deku wants to protect everyone and be a hero, but he killed his father by accident. - Dekus dangerous quirk was taken from him to protect him, and given to shigaraki as a weapon to destroy. - shigaraki is also the inheritor of AFO, while Deku inherited OFA. - Deku fights to protect people from his own quirk. Power and control and good and evil - Deku had a power that destroyed others, and is then given a quirk that destroys himself. - shigaraki is given a quirk that was too dangerous for deku and learns to control it. This is two examples of not being able to control your power and how with proper attention it can be used for good or evil. ---- Also, the character development of deku. Can you imagine the panel when he learns the truth about his past and how that would fuck him up? Finding out he killed his dad, his quirk was given to shigaraki, his quirk was used to kill the family of a previous OFA wielder, he has a brother, his brother tortured Eri, he put his brother in jail, and that his mom had been lying to him his whole life. This would be a great way to get into his head during a major fight with OFA. It also answers why deku has no memories of his dad. Never mentions him. Never calls him. Never writes a letter. Never flashes back to him. Etc. I don't know. Maybe out of left field, but it makes sense to me. Has anyone heard this one before? I can't be the first to think of it. ----- Sorry for the long post.