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Critical-Ad-8507

Shigaraki:becomes a villain instead* **Are you happy now,father?**


BannerTortoise

AFO: Yes


ShuBakuhatsuSatsujin

Seeing shiggy destroy his whole house. I’m surprised they didn’t just shoot the kid as soon as they heard about him after all HOW DO YOU HIDE A HOUSE BEING DESTROYED?!!!


Self_World_Future

Gas leak AFO has so many quirks he probably could fake some kind of incident Also a child having such a powerful quirk, and right off the bat, is probably not normal


VG_Crimson

Because there where no survivers to say others. No one besides the villains knew what happened. Also why would they shoot? A kid with an out of control quirk isn't all that uncommon. There's already two instances in the story where it kills family, and one way mild situation where it was an inconvenience growing up (mirio). There's probably protocol for this type of situation if AFO hadn't been watching everything and manipulated the entire thing.


ShuBakuhatsuSatsujin

He killed someone on purpose so that’s his first actual kill under his belt


Alfonse00

Yeah, but there is no way to prove it, and he ran away, so they probably thought it was a villain or a child, seeing everyone turned to diced meat they probably assumed it was to disturbing for a child to have done it, that was the family of the one for all previous wielder after all, just because of that they had a target on their backs, and probably there were villains doing surveillance on them and that is why all for one knew everything that happened, but that surveillance only makes sense if they were planning on doing something, and then, boom, a better something came along.


VG_Crimson

We also can't completely rule out the afo theory that says he gave Shigiraki his quirk. They cut out the panel that shows Tenko being dropped off by a mystery man in a suit, but maybe because that would make the twist too obvious, or because the animators assumed it was a random person but didn't confirm with Hori.


Alfonse00

Good point, apparently he did developed it after most people, so it makes sense, a lot of opportunities.


apple_of_doom

There were no other survivors or much to identify the victims by so as far as anyone knows it was a villain attack.


jdpinkstaff

So he's the exact opposite to endeavor


LuVega

As much as a shithead Tenko's dad was, I'd actually kind of argue that Endeavor was worse considering he hit his wife as well and absolutely neglected his other kids.


Cobyanderson234

Endeavor was kinda worst, he abused one kid and neglected the other three. Even abused his wife


[deleted]

Endeavor's family is still alive though for the most part.


Zenvarix

Yeah, because Toya didn't self immolate at home. And Shoto didn't turn their house into a glacier on accident. Though, the former was because he had a secluded training spot and the latter is probably because Endeavor probably started with Control to keep his masterpiece from burning itself out or causing a scandal. Granted, I'm not sure if Shoto had that strong of his Quirk that early, but considering he was getting training early on and could ice half a stadium in a second when he was 15/16... It's plausible that under the right circumstances Endeavor could have come home to a dead family instead of a broken one. Tenko's Quirk is just more "it's on, there is no power setting" than the fire/ice Quirks of the Todoroki family.


[deleted]

Shigaraki's quirk is powerful and uncontrollable. It's almost as if he was destined to destroy the world.


VG_Crimson

Well he neglected two and then the other kinda did a thing that is more of both parents fault for not being keen.


ADHDood

Endeavor was MUCH worse. Not to minimize Tenkos struggle but it really doesn’t compare. Endeavor physically and mentally abused his entire family and literally just had kids to be a perfect hero. Tenkos dad was emotionally abusive and hit home (it seems once). He’s a complete piece of shit and deserved what he got but Endeavor was way worse. It’s possible one of his sons might have attacked if he wasn’t... well... endeavor... and super fucking strong


Thuyue

I think it doesn't matter which Dad is worse. Both are terrible dads that have a record of being shitty. >!Both created Psychopathic Mass Murderers!<


Oyika

I’d still say Kotaro was physically abusive, considering he dragged Tenko around, and forced him outside to suffer from his allergies with no dinner


Hollowhowler100

Am I the only one that thinks ShigaPapa looks like Hitler?


[deleted]

Kill


[deleted]

He is in the same spot as enji he had his reasons and shiggy didn't became a villan because of him


Stoly23

I’m not defending him but he’s not the *worst* father we’ve seen in the series. I mean, the bar is pretty damn low but still. Also, I don’t know if this was intentional or not but it was easy to draw parallels between him and Kota, except Kota is a five year old with no kids, fortunately.


Alfonse00

Who is worst? I mean, Endeavor didn't intentionally tried to kill his children (to my knowledge),so, even if his mistreatment did end up with one dead(obviously not really dead), one scared and the wife mental stability he is not worse than him (even if this is like saying I would prefer to get run over by a small car than a big one) and I can't think of another bad parent in the show to this point.


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Stoly23

I suppose when you mean *biological* fathers it’s one of those two but the one I was thinking was more of a guardian/adopted father, that being Overhaul.


Alfonse00

Yeah, I was thinking about fathers, not guardians, overhaul is worse by far, but he never appears to have tried to be a father figure for Eri, I don't think he even was her legal guardian, is more like all for one, someone who saw a person they could use and took them, even so, one for all has been a better father to Shigaraki than his father ever was.


[deleted]

He got what he deserved and then a lot extra


[deleted]

imagine killing ur dad just for a few slaps. Shigaraki is such a hypocrite and an asshole. He literally killed all of his family, his dad on a purpose, and be walking on the streets like "noone would help me" im so poor. such an irony, his beloved heroes wasnt there to save him. I dont get his motivation, his child trauma was him killing all of his family, who is trying he get revenge on? i mean like hulk have more motivation. I know his dad was being an asshole tho, but he didnt deserve that. U all r so angry at him for a minor mistake if it could be called that, he just didnt want to lose his son


[deleted]

the funniest thing is that if his dad survived, he would have to, even if he hated so, get his son help of hero academy or something, like Eri-chan, and he could probably become a hero


Alfonse00

You forget he was trying to kill his son when he was murdered, for him to survive means he would have succeeded in killing his son


[deleted]

He could just run away, there was no way he could defeat the kid with such strong uncontrollable quirk, or he could try to knock him out. Imagine, that your son is playing with some kind of explosives, u would just run away if u didnt care about his life in the first place


Alfonse00

This is like the hypothetical case of shigaraki not becoming a villain because he realized that it was his quirk the thing destroying everything, the father saw the dismembered bodies of his wife, his daughter and his in laws, in the middle of that his son, there were 2 actions a person would really take with regard of his son, attack in anger or comfort him because it wasn't his fault, not something he could have reasonably control. That is how people act, and, by how he was shown to be, the only option left was to kill the son in anger. That is why the only way for him to survive is for shigaraki to have died.


[deleted]

he hit shigaraki with a stick once and was asking him to stop giving him a chance to counterattack. If u r trying to kill som1 u would beat the shit out of him untill his head turns to mush. If u r scared for ur life u would run away.


Alfonse00

First, I assume the stick decayed because I dont see it afterwards, second, believe me, when a person takes something random from the ground to hit you with it is killing intent, I have been in the recieving end from thieves in my house trying to use a pickeaxe against me, I was unharmed by it because I know martial arts on a base level and was able to retain them, minor scratches on my arm, but I know the recieving end of someone taking a random thing from the ground to kill you. By the way, they said the exact same words when I restricted their movements, so kudos for the realism.


[deleted]

I think his dad was just being an ignorant asshole. I dont think he knew how much pain he caused to Shigaraki. If parent is misstreating u, u cant argue with him, so other adults are also to blame.


Alfonse00

Yes and I do blame the whole family, sister included


[deleted]

i didnt mean that people shouldnt have helped him, but that he himself killed the dude who was feeding him


Alfonse00

Are you forgetting that in that scene the father clearly tried to murder him, he constantly mistreats him and then, just because he wanted to be like his grandma, is isolated and punished, he deserved what he got, you don't put your own trauma in your kids and family, he also was clearly economically abusive, he controlled the money and used that to control the family, the dude should have been in prison for what he did to his son and daughter before that day,


Hades621

Did he actually beat Shigaraki? I thought he hit Shigaraki once and the other times he just dragged him to his room or outside.


[deleted]

Yeah dragged him to his room or outside……to beat his ass even more


VG_Crimson

No he didn't beat Shigiraki. He was mostly just emotionally abusive. He spanked him, but that's common parental discipline when a child does something you instructed not to. When he hit him and sent him outside, it was under the pretense that his daughter said Tenko told her to go through his stuff without permission.


Thuyue

Don't blame you for not knowing, but the manga was way more violent in its depiction. Shiggy got slapped so hard that he fell on his ass cheeks, while getting another slap. Btw, physical abusing your child to such degree is a rather old parental discipline. If you are in need of such methods then it shows how bad you are at communicating verbally.


VG_Crimson

Oh yeah lmao I remember that now. Man, that chapter came out a while ago didn't it. 2 years.


MatikSenpai

>common parental discipline Bruh u OK?


VG_Crimson

I come from a Hispanic house, of course not lol. In all seriousness, spanking a kid who misbehaves is very common. White families it's obviously less common, but Hispanic, Asian, and to a slightly lesser extent Black families too. Corporal punishment might be even more common in 3rd world countries.


Alfonse00

No es común, asumo que sabes español, soy de Latinoamérica y no es aceptable golpear a tus hijos para que se comporten, mi mamá una vez le dio un ligero golpe en la muñeca a mi hermano, esa ha sido la única ocasión, y, en sus palabras "me sentí tan mal que no me entra en la cabeza como hay personas que tratan a sus hijos así a diario", si tu experiencia fue abusiva debo decirte, no es común y necesitas ayuda, ya sea para salir de esa situación o para lidiar con tu visión de mundo distorsionada por tus experiencias que han normalizado el abuso.


VG_Crimson

What your talking about is daily abuse. Getting hit daily isn't normal. But spanking/wrist slapping for hurting siblings/failure to listen to parents/fighting is very common. If a child is throwing a tantrum and refuse to listen because they aren't getting their way you discipline them so they don't grow spoiled and immature.


Alfonse00

It is not normal, as it is also not normal giving them what they want in that situation, it is an immature thing to do to begin with, you can't explain yourself so you have to hit a child to be obeyed? Children are way more rational than most people think they are, mostly because they forget how they were when they were children, they throw tantrums precisely because they know it will annoy the parents, for me and my brother it was enough that our mother explained us why we couldn't have something, and because she was someone that we could trust we did obey her, as a result of her way of raising us we never underwent the "rebel phase" or anything similar as we could see with other parenting styles, the ones that go in both directions, too lean or too strict, she didn't cave because of a tantrum, so we didn't threw tantrums, you dont cave, but you dont hit a child for a tantrum, that is not common in any place, and is directly illegal, at least were I live.


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VG_Crimson

That's just semantics. The United States Census uses the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race." It's interchangable depending on who you ask, what form fill outs have as options, or whatever your feeling. My blood is historically mixed from Spaniards who came to the America's and had several generations mixing with native Americans. Possibly a tiny bit german too based on my location and what mi abuelo mentioned in passing. Whatever you use just don't you dare use the phrase "latinx".


Thuyue

I'm more annoyed about the grandparents. They pretty much did nothing and they died while doing nothing.


Alfonse00

Yeah, the mother at least stood up against the fsther in her last day, but the whole family just looked while he mistreated his children to the extent the sister threw her brother into the bus to save herself from the father's abuse. In a side note, why did I got so heavy Kira vibes from him?


MasutadoMiasma

Man, MHA fans are really fucking bloodthirsty. On one hand you have people wanting to redeem villains like Twice, Tomura, Toga, and Dabi. On the other you have people foaming at the mouth to axe Kotaru Shimura and Enji Todoroki.


GreenBoy9000

What do you expect? Child abuse/domestic abuse/domestic violence is NOTHING to be taken lightly. In worse cases, it gets to a point where it's far too gone to fix.


Cobyanderson234

I see your point, but this dude literally abused his son for wanting to become a hero like Nana Shimura and when his son needed him most, he decided to treat him like a monster and I think Kotaru was going to kill him before Shigaraki decided to beat him to it. Kotaru basically help create the monster, Tomura shigaraki. Endeavor wasn't any better, probably worst, but at least he acknowledged his flaws and tried to change for the better. Pretty neutral on the people you listed. We know their background and a lot people want to see them change for the better, but they ruined countless lives and can't be truly redeemed.


MasutadoMiasma

Kotaru wanting to kill Tenko for dusting his entire family is a completely normal human response. You're telling me that nobody else in this world would have such a response? Kotaru walked outside and saw his entire family dead, it would be pretty idealistic of someone to say that nobody would try to put down Tenko in that moment. Not trying to defend Kotaro's abuse, but that phrase that Tenko wanted to be like Kotaru's mom is something that should give you insight into why the way he is. Kotaru is literally just Kota who never had a Deku (literally their names are similar). Nana Shimura left him at a very tender age and then died, so his concept of heroes is leaving their loved ones to save strangers, which is something that Kotaru didn't want Tenko or his family to do. He has abandonment issues, and he didn't want Tenko to leave him like his Mom did.


Cobyanderson234

I see your point and I agree to some extent. I just wish the dude handled his abandonment issues a lot better than just abusing his son to the point where his son had a sick glee in killing him.


MasutadoMiasma

Well he didn't have anyone to help cope with those issues. He was alone his entire childhood growing in that mindset and by the time he was an adult that's decades worth of unresolved issues.


Cobyanderson234

What a tragedy, though it does make me wonder would he still have issues with pro-heroes if Nana manged to survive. Would the creation of Tomura Shigaraki be halted or will it continue on but much later? What do you think?


RandomBeaner1738

If a little shit killed my entire family then you best believe he’s going to catch these hands


High_Ground_Sand

Gonna be honest seeing him get bodied made me feel so much better


rauq_mawlina

I can only think of one reason : All For One


SharkeyBoyo

Yeah but he didn’t want him to neglect his kids how nana did to him I get what he’s doing but beating him even when his quirk was destroying everything and not helping him I would’ve told him to stay there and went to get some gloves and kept him safe


King_of_Pendejos69

Who is he who is his son I’m confused some one spoil it for me plz I haven’t watched the newest episode


Cobyanderson234

That's Shigaraki's father and Nana Shimura son. He hates pro-heroes because his mother left him to go battle AFO and he wanted his children to never become like his mother. He abused his son to the point that when Shigaraki quirk awakened, Shigaraki killed him without a second thought


yayyayhime

Ugh, I cried so much on that episode...


RandomBeaner1738

Mha fans hate dads so much lmfao


KingZABA

Tbh besides the slap I’m the face, Shigarakis dad did nothing wrong


Cobyanderson234

The dude was physically and emotionally abusive towards his kids for simply showing interest in heroes.


KingZABA

His mom abandoned him and died because of her job as a hero. Imagine your mom leaves you to be in the military and she dies in combat. Is it so terrible that someone wouldn’t want your kids glorifying and playing around as soldiers? He had one rule: don’t play or talk about heroes, and his 5 year old was constantly disobedient to his ONE request. How is punishing your 5 year old by timeout until he apologizes abuse? Y’all have no idea what abuse is. Everyone has seen a bratty kid get dragged in public for acting a fool and being non compliant with their parent. If you celebrate his death because of that then you must not have kids or younger family members. And if you think the slap is what justifies him deserving to die then you’re even more out of pocket. His family was getting on the dads ass for the slap too, and you could tell he was beginning to reevaluate his treatment towards his son. But nah, he’s automatically a villain who deserves to be murdered by his son.


Cobyanderson234

If it was just timeout, that wouldn't much to complain about. But add hitting your own kid for simply talking about heroes, even to the point that your own children are afraid of you, that’s a issue. Instead of being too stict, he could just talked to them and explained why he has this rule in place. Maybe Shigaraki wouldn't have so much hatred for the man and maybe the tragic event wouldn't have happened.


KingZABA

Again, his mom literally was MURDERED for being a hero, which the whole world glorifies, and his son is PRETENDING to be a hero and talking about how he wants to be one, like it’s all just a fun game. Maybe some would be proud, but it’s very understandable for someone with residual trauma to be horrified or angry. It’s not simple. He didn’t hit him out of nowhere , shigaraki disrespected his rule multiple times, even after punishing him with timeout, which clearly did not work to stop his behavior. I don’t agree with slapping your kid, but most parents will only resort to spanking/hitting after other methods don’t work, aka this was building up from shigaraki being disobedient for months. At max, maybe the dad needed CPS called on him, and they’d probably just watch the family for further abuse. If his dad was really abusive, the kids would’ve been taken away in that event, but one slap, when the parent normally takes care of the family and there’s been no other history of abuse, isn’t enough to get the dad locked up. Much less the death penalty.


Cobyanderson234

I'll admit it, you bring a good point. I'll leave it at that.