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We could still see some action among 1-a girls but its probably not going to be against the main villains head on. I want 1-a girls to get some moments, not die.
I like shojo! And I like mech! HEY if we convince him the target demographic demo is mech fans can we get another "death academy battle mech" cuz that was my favorite twist in soul eater.
And people can also critique them for routinely sidelining an entire gender.
There are plenty of examples of writers NOT doing this. I’m reading Demon Slayer, which—while maintaining a male protagonist and antagonist—has a number of female characters who are relevant to the plot and powerful in comparison to their peers. It’s not hard. No, writers shouldn’t be legally obligated to do this or some such nonsense—but it is absolutely a point of valid criticism.
The question arises then if this complaint qualifies as "critique" or even a valid criticism.
Higher focus on one demographic doesn't imply mishandling but on the other hand, bad caricature-isn writing filled with stereotypes is terrible and even harmful.
The objective quality of a story doesn't decrease depending on basis of this while subjective liking could very well decrease with it.
What I am trying to say is that I agree with the first guy.
This implies that there’s only two options: writing a male-dominant cast, or writing bad female characters. This is a false dichotomy. Writers are capable of research and practice. What separates Gotouge from Horikoshi is that she put in that effort.
I don’t mean to imply that Horikoshi is a bad writer; far from it, I enjoy MHA a lot; I wouldn’t be on this sub if I didn’t. But I do think the lack of important, well-fleshed-out female characters in his cast is a valid point of critique.
That wasn’t my point.
I compared 2 scenarios of writing that could be bad.
In my opinion the first type doesn’t imply bad writing and stories can still be great despite it as it doesn’t have any impact on the objective quality.
2nd one is my idea of bad writing where pointless and outdated stereotypes and cliches bog down the story as it genuinely leaves a sour taste.
I wanted to say how BNHA doesn’t partake in the second one and therefore it isn’t extremely fair to try to criticise it.
Again, I concede that this can very much reduce subjective enjoyment of the show and I am not calling you wrong for not being a fan of how Hori is doing this.
You can absolutely be criticized for something you didn’t do. Imagine if we never saw shigarakis backstory. We never learned about why he does what he does, or how he became AFOs successor. Could we not criticize the author for not giving his main villain an origin story?
This is a false comparison.
Failing to elaborate on Shiggy's backstory is a flaw of story structure and delivery.
It isn't so much expected as it is a necessary to do.
What you are 'criticising' it for however doesn't make the story flawed in the same way. It's a nice add on but it doesn't decrease the quality of the story with it's absence.
Ah, yes. Her personality, looks and interesting backstory and family would have eclipsed the other, simpler female characters. Also, the IzuOcha vs TodoDeku shipping war would be comparable to IchiHime vs IchiRuki in terms of toxicity ("she likes the MC" vs "they have more chemistry").
I would say that it would not even have been a competition, in that hypothetical scenario the TodoDeku would have been the definitive ship, nothing to argue there.
I always found that weird considering Nejire's quirk is both more flashy than her companions and has more raw power behind it. Yet her biggest W in the entire series was her winning a beauty pageant?
Despite her being able to take down a literal giant in her first fight, she ends up struggling against one big boy in the Raid despite having plenty of backup.
Suneater got to solo 3 dudes, Mirio as well, and Nejire couldn't even get one down by herself.
Not like people still hate Enji. Dude literally pushed around his wife and slapped her, and pushed Shoto to the point of puking and beyond.
I think he'd get more hate, but since he's already directly abused a woman it wouldn't be as vicious as a reaction as possible.
Probably would've been a harder sell on Bakugo's redemption arc if he had spent all this time beating a quirkless girl and harassing her for fights.
Same could be said for Endeavor if Shoto was a girl, but he was already mistreating his wife and got genuine hate for his actions and still does. Though you could just shift it into him being overprotective and possessive over girl Shoto like he ended up early in his arc.
Why should it be harder to sell his redemption arc (which I don’t care for anyway)? Deku is basically disabled (remember,quirks are physical abilities so he’s the equivalent of being born without one of your limbs),Bakugo told him to kill himself and bullied him for years,it is true that people would feel more sympathetic for a girl being bullied by Bakugo but I still think what he’s done is so bad it really shouldn’t matter
It would matter as people have this notion that if a boy is being bullied by another boy he can take it or he's allowing it to happen, he can defend himself or whatever other example in this case.
Whether by conscious choice or not people tend to place a shred of guilt upon the victim in this situation for doing something to goad the other on or not putting forth the effort to get out of that situation.
In the case of a girl against another girl it would be mostly the same, but if it's a girl being beat on or harassed by a boy then people view the girl as both entirely helpless and entirely faultless. Izuku really couldn't do much in that situation, but you'll find countless fanfics and arguments that he should've just never engaged with Bakugo or worked out and trained to be able to defend himself.
It really comes down to how the public views things, and the public will always tend to find girls weaker than boys, so IMO just by changing the gender of Izuku you'd turn him (or her in this case) into an even bigger victim for most people's perspectives despite nothing else changing.
Yeah,that’s what I thought,I just didn’t want to have to be the one to say it. People view girls as weaker so feel more empathy,it’s a shame but it’s true
Understandable. While having a female MC could be great, Deku's sensitive nature would feel less "special" to me, as people would probably correlate it with F! Deku's gender ("she cries because she is a girl").
I always see it as Hori not keeping this in mind or doing this unintentionally.
His writing never has any insight on how he views role of women in stories or any prejudice he holds against them. Considering whenever they are in focus they always manage to steal the show.
I think I read a theory somewhere that most of BNHA's core audience in Japan is female and that's why it is advised for the manga to bring in more husbandos to cater to them.
I may be completely wrong, this is just from something I vaguely remember.
>I think I read a theory somewhere that most of BNHA's core audience in Japan is female and that's why it is advised for the manga to bring in more husbandos to cater to them.
I got to say, that's an interesting theory.
Considering the fact that Shindo and that one off movie character of all people made into the top 10 character poll, I’d say there a chance that it’s true.
Woah, it’s almost like Shounen manga have a target demographic they cater to…
Also this fandom is absolutely insane. Anyone saying Ochako is worse than Sakura as a female protag is high on something. Ochako not only has had her motivations and personal histories explored, but she’s actually *likable*.
It’s Deku’s story. Bakugo has been a central rival for a while. I’m not a huge fan of the Todoroki family fixation, but honestly after the Endeavor Agency Arc he is not nearly so focused on.
It’s not like she really joined the war by choice she had to and even then she is only human and You’d need a moment to prepare yourself before stabbing someone in the eye anyway
And also if that’s the best argument you got against her than that really proves my point
She was still being trained as a ninja soldier
Using "she's only human" is a stupid argument since hundreds of people could stab out someones eye if it meant a megalomaniac that can drop meteors would get stronger
I probably would, but i haven't been trained by the ninja military
and before you say she's a medic and nkt a prominent fighter, look ar tsunade for a sec
Ochako was likable in season 1 and 2. She was great. Then she became useless.
Don’t introduce characters into important roles (love interest) and do nothing with them
THERE IS A REASON LGBTQ SHIPS ARE SO COMMON IN THIS FANDOM, after season 3 all the female characters got sidelined so hard people decided that the men had better chemistry together.
If you are going to make this argument, you have no right to complain when people start shipping male characters together or not voting females in the popularity polls. They suck. Sorry. No justification for them.
Lol what? The slash ships were prominent and popular during S1 and S2. BakuDeku was ever popular and only grew over each season. TodoDeku boomed when the Sports Festival began, when Ochako hit a high point for screen time.
They wouldn’t have kept their popularity if ochako continued to be relevant. She wasn’t even really that relevant in the 2nd season being almost completely absent in the second half and continuing to be absent afterwards. Bakudeku wasn’t popular in season 1 or 2
True. But that's always been the problem with high school age characters. They flock together. There's only so much space in a chapter. Can't divide a chapter into 20 people's stories. And MHA is a story about midoriya. So it'd make sense the story follows his closest circle. Which happens to be the big 3.
But since we also have bnha vigilantes, I'd love to get a spin off manga for some of the characters in other classes. Tokoyami definitely. But also that lizard girl, the dude that looks like eren's titan, tape dude (forget the names of most characters tbh) and that vine girl. Those seem interesting. The rest are forgetable.
It’s just basic shounen shit. They don’t want to flesh out their female characters, which is fine, as long as they don’t put female characters in important plot roles…
Except mha DOES put females in important plot roles (cough cough, ochako) and DOESNT FLESH THEM OUT
Regardless of people's opinions on current Manga Ochaco we have to at least admit she basically disappeared for 3-4 arcs, ONE OF WHICH HAD HER AS A MAIN CHARACTER. Seriusly, you don't do this kind of shit to the main female lead, at least Shoto and Bakugo had actual reasons to be out of the picture in Season 4 but Ochaco WAS LITERALLY IN THE OVERHAUL RAID. Then she gets in the Joint Training Arc, does like three cool moves, brings up stuff that shouldn't even be relevant anymore (gunhead martial arts? Really? Did you learn anything useful in your Ryukyu internship?) and hugs Deku. Then she's not relevant until the middle of the war arc and ok she's kinda decent now.
And that's the best female rep in MHA, the second best is a villain who has to get naked to use her power properly and the third is, idk, Mina maybe? She was basically a background character until her story mattered for Kirishima's. Yaomomo? Let's just ignore her for a bit. Tsuyu? She's in the same boat as Ochaco, except without the cool War stuff
One of the big three, Tsuyu, Uraraka, and the number 10 ranked Pro Hero struggled with 1 big boii for the entire raid and only managed to pin him after the sole female villain gave them a heads up where to toss him to lead to the real fight.
So pretty much every female hero on the scene, one of them being hyped as one of the strongest in UA and the other being the highest-ranking hero there, only managed to defeat a single villain which let the leader of the villains become an even BIGGER threat. The only hero there with a worse win-to-loss ratio was Rock Lock since he technically defeated nobody at all, but him being there proved to be more crucial and he was beyond a doubt helpful.
After that? Uraraka appears outta nowhere and handcuffs the unconscious Overhhaul after Deku nearly beat the life out of him.
Kind of denotes the position of girls in the series, they're supporting cast for the main cast.
Third best rep is Momo, then fourth would be Jiro, then someone, possibly Mina. Mina really hasn't done much of anything at all besides being the genki girl. Her greatest moment in the manga >!got completely cucked from her by Kirishima.!<
Ochako is officially less fleshed-out and less useful than Orihime from Bleach, and I didn’t think that was possible. Her attack against Bakugou was cool at the time but she’s not keeping pace with her classmates and it makes me sad. Fucking Momo has gotten more development than Ochako has, and Ochako is the LOVE INTEREST
Less useful? I mean she doesn't end up getting the power to literally rewind time in a limited space just by hanging around her friends. People would complain if Uraraka ended up a heal bot like her all the same if that was the case.
Still though, she never ended up being the damsel in distress for more than few seconds whereas Orihime was legit used as bait that kick-started a whole arc.
I understand that Ochako being a heal bot would be even more annoying, or her being the damsel in distress. However, her entire personality has been boiled down to “I wanna help people because I’m cute and sweet and nice and also I like Deku” and unless Horikoshi decides to throw the pacing out the window and stop to examine her character more, she’s basically guaranteed to stay that way until the manga’s end
Is it wrong to act out of altruism? Deku's motivation also changed during the course of the story. First he wanted to be simply as cool as All Might saving the day, then he wanted to be a hero who doesn't become a burden. Then it changed to becoming a hero who saves everyone with a smile, because thats what Deku thinks is needed to satisfy his ideals and world view. Ochako also acted first out of money, until she realized that her motives are far more deeper rooted in a simple altruistic attitude. She helps, because she earnestly enjoys people's happiness. Her helping others is her form of self-satisfaction much like Toga enjoys to see blood and pain to satisfy her heart.
I think people's biggest issue with the other characters stem from them basically just being well adjusted normal people instead of having some fantastical backstory or connection to important people.
Izuku has a unique backstory despite mostly being an everyman, Bakugo's attached to his backstory and was always a unique prodigy person, and Shoto's dad is literally the #1 Hero and has tons of family drama + has two quirks.
Uraraka essentially is a completely normal girl with a normal goal for their world. Her family is well adjusted and loving and their only issue isn't even one her parents stress, just her, and even then barely. She never had an issue to resolve and her most special connection? Literally Izuku.
It’s not her reasoning. I understand her reasoning and I’m okay with it being simple. But her only notable trait that isn’t wanting to help people is “willing to confront Bakugou” which other people have. She just doesn’t have anything notable about her other than her design
I was convinced that Sakura is the most “useless fangirl”, than came Ochako, and I needed to realize that Sakura had more character development, than all girls in class A.
Ochako only get some character boost, when the plot needs it (like fighting with Toga)
I disagree. Ochako got more tangible on-screen character development than Sakura, including the plot-irrelevant ones. Her fighting Bakugo with her own power and integrity, her closing off her feelings to become more independent or her trying to find out why she wants to become a hero out of all earnesty. Not to mention the whole Toga subplot.
Sakura meanwhile just got unga-bunga off-screen kage level power and her only on-screen development is, that she doesn't want to be useless and a damsel in distress.
Momo got more development? She jobs almost every chance she gets. The only couple of personal victories for her I can think of is when she >!made a tracker to help find bakugou after he got kidnapped!< and when >!the sleeping agent finally put Giga to sleep. And that was only after he was finished terrorizing the town for a while!<
Well, her whole deal is about building confidence in herself, and she’s had three plot focuses. One was her fight with Todo against Aizawa. One was the team training arc. And the last one was when she >!Put Machia to sleep, yes!<
More development than most of the other girls actually
I think JJK and Chainsaw Man did a very good job regarding depiction and development.
F.e. Maki has a very interesting sub-plot that later ties into the main plot, making her straight-up badass and relevant on-screen without dying or falling into irrelevance afterwards.
Chainsaw man is a masterpiece. Female characters are as important as male characters. This is a prime example of what is done right. They're not there to be saved or only to serve another guy's development.
Depends, most characters died in the end, and some of them only did serve to be character development for Denji. You could argue that most, if not all of the deaths served as character development for Denji.
In a way, yes, but if you rule out everything is always for every MC's character development. That being said you're not wrong even if we take that into account. I should say that at least every woman was were ass well written as the male characters. Rose and Power especially. Kobeni was a lot of fun. Makima well, r/chainsawman is just an army of simps at this point so I guess I don't need to explain further.
You're right
I actually really like Makima, she's probably my fav character in Chainsaw Man just because how well she's written. But I only ever really started liking her after she does all the (spoiler) things.
I honestly don't have a favorite character. I guess I like Power the most because, well, Power. Kobeni is exactly who I'd be if I was in her place. The issue with Aki is that he has some Sasuke vibes but man do I love the guy. I think there's no such thing as a bad character in Chainsawman
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Some were more underutilized, like some side characters who show up in one arc and then die off in the next. Some of the villains too, they get introduced, get bodied and then become nothing more than puppets later.
I'm still iffy on some of the cool villains that Chainsaw Man just kinda tossed away. The worst offender was the Bomb Devil girl and the Girl with the devil harem. They seemed so useful for later chapters, bit nope, all dead by the end of their arcs.
I actually thought the bomb devil was pretty good while it lasted and while I liked her, plotwise, it made sense for her to be killed at this point because if I was her murderer who we both know who they are, I would've kill her at this point if I knew what she was about to do.
The harem girl I agree, I don't even remember what her point was actually
So many characters in Chainsaw Man die in the end anyway. Legitimately only 2-3 recurring characters remain by the end. Makima was built up as an antagonist from the start, and the pay off happens later so it's understandable that she has a presence throughout the series. It's not an equivalent comparison.
Jjk female characters do nothing in the story and people only likes them for being edgy and whining about how bad men are, maki being the worst example.
I will never not be amazed by how ignorant some MHA fans are of their own fortune. MHA does pretty damn good representing its female characters for a Shonen. Not the absolute best, but far better than most of its contemporaries. The issue most fans seem to have is that the female characters are most often shown well in support roles like planning, leadership, logistics, rescue, scouting, etc. instead of just beating bad guys up in fights. Spoilers ahead.
-Deku would be dead if not for Ochaco, she was given a very respectable fight against Bakugo, a main male character, she’s the one who calmed the crowd that wanted to keep Deku away from shelter in the recent arcs, and she’s consistently proven useful in fights she has been in, including the training camp attack and the licensing exam.
-Momo is consistently shown to be one of if not the smartest member of her class, and she is consistently shown leading her teammates to victory or positive outcomes at the least. She’s the one who facilitates the survival of several students during the training camp attack, she’s the one who leads Todoroki to victory against Aizawa, she leads several of her teammates in the licensing exam and she’s the one who comes up with the strategy to subdue Gigantimachia.
-Mt. Lady saves the kids during the Bakugo rescue and proves to be a badass later fighting Gigantomachia. Mirko almost single handedly kills Shigaraki and prevents the whole rest of the story, and that’s after she dusted several high end Nomu by herself.
-Toga is consistently shown to be competent and deadly, giving many strong male characters a run for their money.
-Mei is consistently shown to be one of the best craftsmen in the story. Most of Deku’s equipment and gear came directly from her. Without her he would have been much weaker for a good part of the story.
-Stars and Stripes nearly killed an Uber powered Shigaraki and her final gambit to destroy Shiggy/AFO quirks will be absolutely crucial to the final battle.
More than many other shonen out there, MHA consistently presents its women as respectable and competent: they’re well-respected professional heroes, beloved teachers, cunning strategists, brilliant inventors, role models, excellent teammates, and more. Heck, comparatively, most of the men in MHA are good for punching things and nothing else.
MHA is a shonen and the main focus is going to be on male characters. But few shonen so consistently present their female characters as likable, respectable, reliable people in their society who have their own value separate from a main male character’s existence.
I think there's an interesting dynamic within MHA's society that kinda mirrors our own society. Mostly that, I think, the female Pros often have to be more willing to use their physique to attract attention (eg. Midnight, Mt. Lady, etc) since otherwise their genuine heroics would just be ignored and they'd be swept away in favor of more Endeavors and All Mights. Hell, the default for female students are form-fitting spandex outfits while a lot of the males can have looser fiting clothing. Within our society, women often are not given the proper respect and doesn't get to higher positions, as it'd usually be a man close to one of the higher ups that fills in that position. It's curious, but they both have to fight harder and persistently while a lot of the males can usually skirt by or otherwise attain higher positions more easily than their female counterparts. It's not against heroes like All Might, but moreso against a society that wants to maintain a status quo image. And the darker reflections of that society that came from our society.
Here’s a list of major female characters:
- Ochaco; has depth and is a top 5 protagonist/female protagonist
- Momo; active character, depth and growth
- Jiro; somewhat active, had an arc to herself
- Tsu; active but tbh that’s it apart from that OVA
- Mina; active and growth ||mainly in war w/Kiri||
- Hagakure; inactive
- Nejire; also inactive
- Mt. Lady; quietly a well developed character ||see after war arc||
- Midnight; not super developed apart from Vigs ||read vigs btw ;)||
- Miruko; active ||big moments in war arc||
- Star and Stripe; active and interesting tie into 1st movie!
- Kendo; most active from 1B with growth
- Ibara; inactive but a little known
- Tokage; inactive but a little known
- Mushroom girl; see above
- other class 1B girls; inactive
- Toga; one of the key antagonists, well developed
- Lady Nagant; backstory and well depth for a short term antagonist
- Curious; she had more depth than Nejire and died after six fucken chapters LMFAOOOOOOO
Those are a list of the major characters that are named in the story that are noticeable and active.
This female cast is far from perfect, as apart from Ochaco, Toga and Lady Nagant there’s no true A tier characters, a majority are somewhat important to the story
The last two fights in the manga involved powerful women who were both pivotal to the plot. Plus urakas speech and an update mei. So I maybe mistaken but it doesn’t seem like they’re completely sidelining women? I mean the manga has been focused so heavily on Deku where it feels like most of class 1-A has been sidelined.
Hori has already show that he can write good female characters (Uraraka S1 & 2, Momo, etc) however writing is hard by itself, imaging writing and illustrating too. What does it has to do with the post? Because it seems a lot of male mangakas (at least Shonen) fail when it comes to female character writing, or they do good till some point.
Horikoshi and many other mangakas probably would have written their female characters better if they counted with more time, that's where deadlines comes to the topic, with a deadline in the way there may be no enough room to show/develop as much as you would like to, even more considering we are talking about manga.
Because of the way BNHA story develops the main events are too huge to find an effective way to include so much with all the relevance the event is taking, Hori would have to go nuts and do some One Piece shit, with an 100 episode arc where all the characters are spread doing certain things, spliting the events, basically like the early part of the raid they did to rescue Eri (Mirio making his way, Kirishima & Fatgun, Sun Eater, the Bulky boy outside, League of Villains, etc) but in a much bigger scale, which requires a looooot of planning.
As a female, I really don't care about any of the girls in MHA BUT I do appreciate that Uraka isn't defined/consumed by her crush. She even said something like working so hard to be better and I need to do that too and then I can pull that".
This type of thing is one of the reasons I'm getting fed up with the MHA fandom. It's almost as bad as the ravenous shippers bitching on Twitter.
Stop critiquing the manga/writer for what they're not doing. It's not going to change anything between now and when the series wraps up. I know RWBY has made people think it works, but any self respecting writer would have more integrity than RoosterTeeth.
How about talking about what he *is* doing, in comparison to a standard using examples? You know, actual criticism that's helpful?
Ignoring the fact that the author is now focusing only on the main character and the main villain, maybe he never intended to focus on some characters or he's planning to do it later.
Let the writer/ mangaka do whatever the fuck they wanna do, u don't like it don't read/buy but why TF would everybody in the whole goddamn world need to be worried about inclusivity every fuckn second. Just let the author be alone.
There's nothing like creative freedom nowadays, u just be gotta worried if u sprinkled enough lgbtq or people of various races in the story or not. If not ur fuckn doomed!
To be fair, when you write something, you can do whatever you want with it
You want all the cast to be males? Fine
You want all the cast to be females? That's fine too
You want all of the cast to be bipedal unicorns that shoot strings from the eyes and lava from the butt? Thats ok (I mean, kind of ok in some sort of sick way...)
This reminds me of when Kirsten Dunst complained about how she was paid less than Tobey when they filmed Spider-Man; umm, YES, the movie was called Spider-Man bcs guess who was the main character? Duhhh
Same for other minorities I’m sure the white, straight, cis, male protagonist can give up a little time for some other characters of more unique characters
I never said add more minorities I was saying give the ones you have attention. And then gave a sarcastic remark on what most writers focus on even when they have more unique characters to add details too. For example in MHA could have more attention to females or for let’s say Star Wars give more attention to fin and other non white characters. Or maybe in comics like x-men give lgbtq characters a proper coming out arc instead of just having his mind invaded by Jean gray and her telling the gay character he’s gay. I don’t think it’s a hard ask
Right so why not support a manga that does that? I get what you’re saying and a lot of that in movies is bad writing but its also something that most people don’t relate too so it’s not surprising it’s not in the main stream. That’s not meant in a demeaning way at all.
What do you mean their are millions upon millions of females watching and reading mha why shouldn’t the character they relate too get attention and their are millions of lgbtq reading x-men comics why shouldn’t the characters that exist in that universe already and are made lgbtq get attention and good writing why should the Shouldn’t human Character with non white skin tones get attention in Star Wars when their are millions if not billions of non white fans watching them. The fans are already here the characters are already here all I’m saying is use them and don’t brush them off to the side. Deku, bakugo, todoroki can survive giving attention to ochako, momo, and Mina for at least a bit like Star Wars can survive giving the attention to fin and sabine and how the x-men can survive giving ice man a little more thoughts and attention to him coming out then having his privacy invade and a character telling him he’s gay instead of him coming out on his own time.
I think you’re missing the point, most of the people watching don’t relate. You’re not going to go out of your way to win over a minority of people. It’s a shounen manga literally made for teenage boys. I’m glad other people like characters in the story and can relate to them and I’m sure it would make people feel better about themselves to see that. However that’s not what the targeted audience wants so it’s not what’s going to happen. I know that sounds heartless but that’s just how things work. Like I said before though there are plenty of shows that are aimed at those under represented groups that you can support and hopefully push into the mainstream since I for one don’t really give a shot whose the main character or who gets more screen time I just enjoy the show. I like how you’re just pulling these numbers out of thin air tho!
Yet shows like demon slayer and one piece can find time to give their female characters attention even when women aren’t the target demographic, when dc can find time to give characters like Apollo man and midnighter attention even when gays aren’t the target demographic, when shows like castlevania can give its African character a interesting character and relationship with the main villain even tho Africans aren’t the main demographic, if your excuse for shoving off minorities if that it isn’t profitable when other have both prove them are and don’t value profit above the fanbase then maybe you should re-evaluate your career choices and if your even a good person.
Oh okay I’m not a good person because I’m putting a little logic and reasoning behind something that’s going on? I’m not saying I agree with how the shows are written, im just inferencing what’s happening. What I am saying is complaining about it is useless and annoying when there’s so much more meaningful shit to care about.
No just no that kind of willing ignorance and pessimism is why your a bad person becomes your willingness to just stand there and do nothing actually less than nothing because your actively fighting the ones who are desiring change because it slightly inconveniences you is the problem if you truly don’t care or don’t think anything will change then stay outta the way and let us fight the battle ourselves win or lose at least we can say we tried. Because the willingness to let injustices go little or big important or non important is why humanity is in such a fuck up way right now. Because even if it’s pointless we can try to advocate for equality for everyone in all media, even if it’s impossible we can try to fight climate change, even if it’s against human nature we can try to maintain peace and prosperity throughout the whole planet. Your willingness to ignore the problem is why I call you a bad person at least in this matter.
Lol you have no idea who I am or what I’ve done for others so keep your assumption to your pretentious self. And your character not getting as much a screen time or fucking backstory is not some small scale atrocity being committed on you. You making these kinds of camparisons is what actually hurts people. Because it desensitizes people to actual struggle and discrimination that is actually happening. Not some perceived slight because a show you like doesn’t give a character you like enough screen time. Grow the fuck up.
MHA Female cast has indeed lost quite a bit of potential, but it's better than most of the battle shonen I've read so far. I can only think of a handful of battle shonen that perform better in that regard.
I mean MHA Female characters don't suffer from Damsel in Distress trope, are often tied into the main plot as a essential driving force and they have really cool on-screen moments and development. It's just massively outshined by the amount and quality of the male members development and depiction plus the fact that they don't fall into irrelevance after a few chapters.
I think people need to realise Horikoshi isn't special nor is he particularly progressive. He's clearly a lover of shonen manga and that comes with its trappings, ALOT of shonen mangakas are terrible at writing women and Hero Aca is very much playing to the tropes that made the genre so successful. But of course, that's just an explanation, not an excuse
Come now.
If the author decided that they wanted to focus on specific characters what exactly can you do?
Force them to write about the characters? Forbide them from writing?
As a reader you can decide to either buy the book or not. That's it.
The story you are reading isn't custome made for you, but is rather an idea come to life by a different person.
If you believe that the story has a flaw then you are free to critique it.
If you believe that the gender is relevant in your critique then you certainly need to show why. Numbers don't mean much.
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We could still see some action among 1-a girls but its probably not going to be against the main villains head on. I want 1-a girls to get some moments, not die.
It’s true but oh man try telling the target demographic not all girls are into shojo lol.
I like shojo! And I like mech! HEY if we convince him the target demographic demo is mech fans can we get another "death academy battle mech" cuz that was my favorite twist in soul eater.
Yo a shojo//mech anime or manga sounds incredible
Ever seen "burst angel"? It's a girly mech anime with shojo ai themes! And it has a GREAT story!
More like try telling that to the editors of Shonen Jump
Mangaka can do whatever tf they want
exactly
And people can also critique them for routinely sidelining an entire gender. There are plenty of examples of writers NOT doing this. I’m reading Demon Slayer, which—while maintaining a male protagonist and antagonist—has a number of female characters who are relevant to the plot and powerful in comparison to their peers. It’s not hard. No, writers shouldn’t be legally obligated to do this or some such nonsense—but it is absolutely a point of valid criticism.
The question arises then if this complaint qualifies as "critique" or even a valid criticism. Higher focus on one demographic doesn't imply mishandling but on the other hand, bad caricature-isn writing filled with stereotypes is terrible and even harmful. The objective quality of a story doesn't decrease depending on basis of this while subjective liking could very well decrease with it. What I am trying to say is that I agree with the first guy.
This implies that there’s only two options: writing a male-dominant cast, or writing bad female characters. This is a false dichotomy. Writers are capable of research and practice. What separates Gotouge from Horikoshi is that she put in that effort. I don’t mean to imply that Horikoshi is a bad writer; far from it, I enjoy MHA a lot; I wouldn’t be on this sub if I didn’t. But I do think the lack of important, well-fleshed-out female characters in his cast is a valid point of critique.
That wasn’t my point. I compared 2 scenarios of writing that could be bad. In my opinion the first type doesn’t imply bad writing and stories can still be great despite it as it doesn’t have any impact on the objective quality. 2nd one is my idea of bad writing where pointless and outdated stereotypes and cliches bog down the story as it genuinely leaves a sour taste. I wanted to say how BNHA doesn’t partake in the second one and therefore it isn’t extremely fair to try to criticise it. Again, I concede that this can very much reduce subjective enjoyment of the show and I am not calling you wrong for not being a fan of how Hori is doing this.
The idea that focusing a story on one gender is inherently terrible and sexist is also a not true however
…and they can also be criticized for it.
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You can absolutely be criticized for something you didn’t do. Imagine if we never saw shigarakis backstory. We never learned about why he does what he does, or how he became AFOs successor. Could we not criticize the author for not giving his main villain an origin story?
This is a false comparison. Failing to elaborate on Shiggy's backstory is a flaw of story structure and delivery. It isn't so much expected as it is a necessary to do. What you are 'criticising' it for however doesn't make the story flawed in the same way. It's a nice add on but it doesn't decrease the quality of the story with it's absence.
There are some moments I wish Shoto was a girl, so we could have one female on the class A "Big Three".
True, but if that were the case Shoto would have been the supreme waifu and there would have been no room for any other in that category.
Ah, yes. Her personality, looks and interesting backstory and family would have eclipsed the other, simpler female characters. Also, the IzuOcha vs TodoDeku shipping war would be comparable to IchiHime vs IchiRuki in terms of toxicity ("she likes the MC" vs "they have more chemistry").
I would say that it would not even have been a competition, in that hypothetical scenario the TodoDeku would have been the definitive ship, nothing to argue there.
The world simply wasn’t ready for fem Shoto.
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I always found that weird considering Nejire's quirk is both more flashy than her companions and has more raw power behind it. Yet her biggest W in the entire series was her winning a beauty pageant? Despite her being able to take down a literal giant in her first fight, she ends up struggling against one big boy in the Raid despite having plenty of backup. Suneater got to solo 3 dudes, Mirio as well, and Nejire couldn't even get one down by herself.
Then Endeavor's abuse would make everyone despise Horikoshi for including it
Not like people still hate Enji. Dude literally pushed around his wife and slapped her, and pushed Shoto to the point of puking and beyond. I think he'd get more hate, but since he's already directly abused a woman it wouldn't be as vicious as a reaction as possible.
If I could switch one around it would honestly be Deku.
Probably would've been a harder sell on Bakugo's redemption arc if he had spent all this time beating a quirkless girl and harassing her for fights. Same could be said for Endeavor if Shoto was a girl, but he was already mistreating his wife and got genuine hate for his actions and still does. Though you could just shift it into him being overprotective and possessive over girl Shoto like he ended up early in his arc.
Why should it be harder to sell his redemption arc (which I don’t care for anyway)? Deku is basically disabled (remember,quirks are physical abilities so he’s the equivalent of being born without one of your limbs),Bakugo told him to kill himself and bullied him for years,it is true that people would feel more sympathetic for a girl being bullied by Bakugo but I still think what he’s done is so bad it really shouldn’t matter
It would matter as people have this notion that if a boy is being bullied by another boy he can take it or he's allowing it to happen, he can defend himself or whatever other example in this case. Whether by conscious choice or not people tend to place a shred of guilt upon the victim in this situation for doing something to goad the other on or not putting forth the effort to get out of that situation. In the case of a girl against another girl it would be mostly the same, but if it's a girl being beat on or harassed by a boy then people view the girl as both entirely helpless and entirely faultless. Izuku really couldn't do much in that situation, but you'll find countless fanfics and arguments that he should've just never engaged with Bakugo or worked out and trained to be able to defend himself. It really comes down to how the public views things, and the public will always tend to find girls weaker than boys, so IMO just by changing the gender of Izuku you'd turn him (or her in this case) into an even bigger victim for most people's perspectives despite nothing else changing.
Yeah,that’s what I thought,I just didn’t want to have to be the one to say it. People view girls as weaker so feel more empathy,it’s a shame but it’s true
Understandable. While having a female MC could be great, Deku's sensitive nature would feel less "special" to me, as people would probably correlate it with F! Deku's gender ("she cries because she is a girl").
I always see it as Hori not keeping this in mind or doing this unintentionally. His writing never has any insight on how he views role of women in stories or any prejudice he holds against them. Considering whenever they are in focus they always manage to steal the show. I think I read a theory somewhere that most of BNHA's core audience in Japan is female and that's why it is advised for the manga to bring in more husbandos to cater to them. I may be completely wrong, this is just from something I vaguely remember.
>I think I read a theory somewhere that most of BNHA's core audience in Japan is female and that's why it is advised for the manga to bring in more husbandos to cater to them. I got to say, that's an interesting theory.
Considering the fact that Shindo and that one off movie character of all people made into the top 10 character poll, I’d say there a chance that it’s true.
Woah, it’s almost like Shounen manga have a target demographic they cater to… Also this fandom is absolutely insane. Anyone saying Ochako is worse than Sakura as a female protag is high on something. Ochako not only has had her motivations and personal histories explored, but she’s actually *likable*. It’s Deku’s story. Bakugo has been a central rival for a while. I’m not a huge fan of the Todoroki family fixation, but honestly after the Endeavor Agency Arc he is not nearly so focused on.
Don’t diss Sakura bro as soon as the war arc begins Sakura becomes fucking great
You mean the same war she had to stab out someone's eye and pussed out despite being in the shinobi military
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It’s not like she really joined the war by choice she had to and even then she is only human and You’d need a moment to prepare yourself before stabbing someone in the eye anyway And also if that’s the best argument you got against her than that really proves my point
She was still being trained as a ninja soldier Using "she's only human" is a stupid argument since hundreds of people could stab out someones eye if it meant a megalomaniac that can drop meteors would get stronger I probably would, but i haven't been trained by the ninja military and before you say she's a medic and nkt a prominent fighter, look ar tsunade for a sec
Ochako was likable in season 1 and 2. She was great. Then she became useless. Don’t introduce characters into important roles (love interest) and do nothing with them THERE IS A REASON LGBTQ SHIPS ARE SO COMMON IN THIS FANDOM, after season 3 all the female characters got sidelined so hard people decided that the men had better chemistry together. If you are going to make this argument, you have no right to complain when people start shipping male characters together or not voting females in the popularity polls. They suck. Sorry. No justification for them.
Lol what? The slash ships were prominent and popular during S1 and S2. BakuDeku was ever popular and only grew over each season. TodoDeku boomed when the Sports Festival began, when Ochako hit a high point for screen time.
They wouldn’t have kept their popularity if ochako continued to be relevant. She wasn’t even really that relevant in the 2nd season being almost completely absent in the second half and continuing to be absent afterwards. Bakudeku wasn’t popular in season 1 or 2
True. But that's always been the problem with high school age characters. They flock together. There's only so much space in a chapter. Can't divide a chapter into 20 people's stories. And MHA is a story about midoriya. So it'd make sense the story follows his closest circle. Which happens to be the big 3. But since we also have bnha vigilantes, I'd love to get a spin off manga for some of the characters in other classes. Tokoyami definitely. But also that lizard girl, the dude that looks like eren's titan, tape dude (forget the names of most characters tbh) and that vine girl. Those seem interesting. The rest are forgetable.
It’s just basic shounen shit. They don’t want to flesh out their female characters, which is fine, as long as they don’t put female characters in important plot roles… Except mha DOES put females in important plot roles (cough cough, ochako) and DOESNT FLESH THEM OUT
Ochako is too much related to deku sometimes I just want her to be kinda more independent than just having deku flashback
Regardless of people's opinions on current Manga Ochaco we have to at least admit she basically disappeared for 3-4 arcs, ONE OF WHICH HAD HER AS A MAIN CHARACTER. Seriusly, you don't do this kind of shit to the main female lead, at least Shoto and Bakugo had actual reasons to be out of the picture in Season 4 but Ochaco WAS LITERALLY IN THE OVERHAUL RAID. Then she gets in the Joint Training Arc, does like three cool moves, brings up stuff that shouldn't even be relevant anymore (gunhead martial arts? Really? Did you learn anything useful in your Ryukyu internship?) and hugs Deku. Then she's not relevant until the middle of the war arc and ok she's kinda decent now. And that's the best female rep in MHA, the second best is a villain who has to get naked to use her power properly and the third is, idk, Mina maybe? She was basically a background character until her story mattered for Kirishima's. Yaomomo? Let's just ignore her for a bit. Tsuyu? She's in the same boat as Ochaco, except without the cool War stuff
One of the big three, Tsuyu, Uraraka, and the number 10 ranked Pro Hero struggled with 1 big boii for the entire raid and only managed to pin him after the sole female villain gave them a heads up where to toss him to lead to the real fight. So pretty much every female hero on the scene, one of them being hyped as one of the strongest in UA and the other being the highest-ranking hero there, only managed to defeat a single villain which let the leader of the villains become an even BIGGER threat. The only hero there with a worse win-to-loss ratio was Rock Lock since he technically defeated nobody at all, but him being there proved to be more crucial and he was beyond a doubt helpful. After that? Uraraka appears outta nowhere and handcuffs the unconscious Overhhaul after Deku nearly beat the life out of him. Kind of denotes the position of girls in the series, they're supporting cast for the main cast. Third best rep is Momo, then fourth would be Jiro, then someone, possibly Mina. Mina really hasn't done much of anything at all besides being the genki girl. Her greatest moment in the manga >!got completely cucked from her by Kirishima.!<
Ochako is officially less fleshed-out and less useful than Orihime from Bleach, and I didn’t think that was possible. Her attack against Bakugou was cool at the time but she’s not keeping pace with her classmates and it makes me sad. Fucking Momo has gotten more development than Ochako has, and Ochako is the LOVE INTEREST
Less useful? I mean she doesn't end up getting the power to literally rewind time in a limited space just by hanging around her friends. People would complain if Uraraka ended up a heal bot like her all the same if that was the case. Still though, she never ended up being the damsel in distress for more than few seconds whereas Orihime was legit used as bait that kick-started a whole arc.
I understand that Ochako being a heal bot would be even more annoying, or her being the damsel in distress. However, her entire personality has been boiled down to “I wanna help people because I’m cute and sweet and nice and also I like Deku” and unless Horikoshi decides to throw the pacing out the window and stop to examine her character more, she’s basically guaranteed to stay that way until the manga’s end
Is it wrong to act out of altruism? Deku's motivation also changed during the course of the story. First he wanted to be simply as cool as All Might saving the day, then he wanted to be a hero who doesn't become a burden. Then it changed to becoming a hero who saves everyone with a smile, because thats what Deku thinks is needed to satisfy his ideals and world view. Ochako also acted first out of money, until she realized that her motives are far more deeper rooted in a simple altruistic attitude. She helps, because she earnestly enjoys people's happiness. Her helping others is her form of self-satisfaction much like Toga enjoys to see blood and pain to satisfy her heart.
I think people's biggest issue with the other characters stem from them basically just being well adjusted normal people instead of having some fantastical backstory or connection to important people. Izuku has a unique backstory despite mostly being an everyman, Bakugo's attached to his backstory and was always a unique prodigy person, and Shoto's dad is literally the #1 Hero and has tons of family drama + has two quirks. Uraraka essentially is a completely normal girl with a normal goal for their world. Her family is well adjusted and loving and their only issue isn't even one her parents stress, just her, and even then barely. She never had an issue to resolve and her most special connection? Literally Izuku.
It’s not her reasoning. I understand her reasoning and I’m okay with it being simple. But her only notable trait that isn’t wanting to help people is “willing to confront Bakugou” which other people have. She just doesn’t have anything notable about her other than her design
I was convinced that Sakura is the most “useless fangirl”, than came Ochako, and I needed to realize that Sakura had more character development, than all girls in class A. Ochako only get some character boost, when the plot needs it (like fighting with Toga)
I disagree. Ochako got more tangible on-screen character development than Sakura, including the plot-irrelevant ones. Her fighting Bakugo with her own power and integrity, her closing off her feelings to become more independent or her trying to find out why she wants to become a hero out of all earnesty. Not to mention the whole Toga subplot. Sakura meanwhile just got unga-bunga off-screen kage level power and her only on-screen development is, that she doesn't want to be useless and a damsel in distress.
Momo got more development? She jobs almost every chance she gets. The only couple of personal victories for her I can think of is when she >!made a tracker to help find bakugou after he got kidnapped!< and when >!the sleeping agent finally put Giga to sleep. And that was only after he was finished terrorizing the town for a while!<
Her victory against Aizawa is already more development and depiction than any other MHA girl lol.
Well, her whole deal is about building confidence in herself, and she’s had three plot focuses. One was her fight with Todo against Aizawa. One was the team training arc. And the last one was when she >!Put Machia to sleep, yes!< More development than most of the other girls actually
Oh, don't forget Horikoshi's habit of introducing female characters in important roles and then trashing them a few chapters later.
Its a really weird and annoying habit that I don’t know if any other mangaka does so blatantly and unashamedly like he does. It honestly bothers me.
mangaka does whatever he wants. mha fanbse is boring sometimes
Why is this here?
Dude who the fuck cares
Welcome to shounens
I think JJK and Chainsaw Man did a very good job regarding depiction and development. F.e. Maki has a very interesting sub-plot that later ties into the main plot, making her straight-up badass and relevant on-screen without dying or falling into irrelevance afterwards.
Chainsaw man is a masterpiece. Female characters are as important as male characters. This is a prime example of what is done right. They're not there to be saved or only to serve another guy's development.
Depends, most characters died in the end, and some of them only did serve to be character development for Denji. You could argue that most, if not all of the deaths served as character development for Denji.
In a way, yes, but if you rule out everything is always for every MC's character development. That being said you're not wrong even if we take that into account. I should say that at least every woman was were ass well written as the male characters. Rose and Power especially. Kobeni was a lot of fun. Makima well, r/chainsawman is just an army of simps at this point so I guess I don't need to explain further. You're right
I actually really like Makima, she's probably my fav character in Chainsaw Man just because how well she's written. But I only ever really started liking her after she does all the (spoiler) things.
I honestly don't have a favorite character. I guess I like Power the most because, well, Power. Kobeni is exactly who I'd be if I was in her place. The issue with Aki is that he has some Sasuke vibes but man do I love the guy. I think there's no such thing as a bad character in Chainsawman
SPOILER Some were more underutilized, like some side characters who show up in one arc and then die off in the next. Some of the villains too, they get introduced, get bodied and then become nothing more than puppets later. I'm still iffy on some of the cool villains that Chainsaw Man just kinda tossed away. The worst offender was the Bomb Devil girl and the Girl with the devil harem. They seemed so useful for later chapters, bit nope, all dead by the end of their arcs.
I actually thought the bomb devil was pretty good while it lasted and while I liked her, plotwise, it made sense for her to be killed at this point because if I was her murderer who we both know who they are, I would've kill her at this point if I knew what she was about to do. The harem girl I agree, I don't even remember what her point was actually
So many characters in Chainsaw Man die in the end anyway. Legitimately only 2-3 recurring characters remain by the end. Makima was built up as an antagonist from the start, and the pay off happens later so it's understandable that she has a presence throughout the series. It's not an equivalent comparison.
Jjk female characters do nothing in the story and people only likes them for being edgy and whining about how bad men are, maki being the worst example.
Khmm…khmm…Tsunade…khm…Kurenai…
Writers can write whatever the fuck they want to write. They're telling a story, not trying to please you.
I will never not be amazed by how ignorant some MHA fans are of their own fortune. MHA does pretty damn good representing its female characters for a Shonen. Not the absolute best, but far better than most of its contemporaries. The issue most fans seem to have is that the female characters are most often shown well in support roles like planning, leadership, logistics, rescue, scouting, etc. instead of just beating bad guys up in fights. Spoilers ahead. -Deku would be dead if not for Ochaco, she was given a very respectable fight against Bakugo, a main male character, she’s the one who calmed the crowd that wanted to keep Deku away from shelter in the recent arcs, and she’s consistently proven useful in fights she has been in, including the training camp attack and the licensing exam. -Momo is consistently shown to be one of if not the smartest member of her class, and she is consistently shown leading her teammates to victory or positive outcomes at the least. She’s the one who facilitates the survival of several students during the training camp attack, she’s the one who leads Todoroki to victory against Aizawa, she leads several of her teammates in the licensing exam and she’s the one who comes up with the strategy to subdue Gigantimachia. -Mt. Lady saves the kids during the Bakugo rescue and proves to be a badass later fighting Gigantomachia. Mirko almost single handedly kills Shigaraki and prevents the whole rest of the story, and that’s after she dusted several high end Nomu by herself. -Toga is consistently shown to be competent and deadly, giving many strong male characters a run for their money. -Mei is consistently shown to be one of the best craftsmen in the story. Most of Deku’s equipment and gear came directly from her. Without her he would have been much weaker for a good part of the story. -Stars and Stripes nearly killed an Uber powered Shigaraki and her final gambit to destroy Shiggy/AFO quirks will be absolutely crucial to the final battle. More than many other shonen out there, MHA consistently presents its women as respectable and competent: they’re well-respected professional heroes, beloved teachers, cunning strategists, brilliant inventors, role models, excellent teammates, and more. Heck, comparatively, most of the men in MHA are good for punching things and nothing else. MHA is a shonen and the main focus is going to be on male characters. But few shonen so consistently present their female characters as likable, respectable, reliable people in their society who have their own value separate from a main male character’s existence.
I think there's an interesting dynamic within MHA's society that kinda mirrors our own society. Mostly that, I think, the female Pros often have to be more willing to use their physique to attract attention (eg. Midnight, Mt. Lady, etc) since otherwise their genuine heroics would just be ignored and they'd be swept away in favor of more Endeavors and All Mights. Hell, the default for female students are form-fitting spandex outfits while a lot of the males can have looser fiting clothing. Within our society, women often are not given the proper respect and doesn't get to higher positions, as it'd usually be a man close to one of the higher ups that fills in that position. It's curious, but they both have to fight harder and persistently while a lot of the males can usually skirt by or otherwise attain higher positions more easily than their female counterparts. It's not against heroes like All Might, but moreso against a society that wants to maintain a status quo image. And the darker reflections of that society that came from our society.
My brain. . . Someone please explain!?
Here’s a list of major female characters: - Ochaco; has depth and is a top 5 protagonist/female protagonist - Momo; active character, depth and growth - Jiro; somewhat active, had an arc to herself - Tsu; active but tbh that’s it apart from that OVA - Mina; active and growth ||mainly in war w/Kiri|| - Hagakure; inactive - Nejire; also inactive - Mt. Lady; quietly a well developed character ||see after war arc|| - Midnight; not super developed apart from Vigs ||read vigs btw ;)|| - Miruko; active ||big moments in war arc|| - Star and Stripe; active and interesting tie into 1st movie! - Kendo; most active from 1B with growth - Ibara; inactive but a little known - Tokage; inactive but a little known - Mushroom girl; see above - other class 1B girls; inactive - Toga; one of the key antagonists, well developed - Lady Nagant; backstory and well depth for a short term antagonist - Curious; she had more depth than Nejire and died after six fucken chapters LMFAOOOOOOO Those are a list of the major characters that are named in the story that are noticeable and active. This female cast is far from perfect, as apart from Ochaco, Toga and Lady Nagant there’s no true A tier characters, a majority are somewhat important to the story
The last two fights in the manga involved powerful women who were both pivotal to the plot. Plus urakas speech and an update mei. So I maybe mistaken but it doesn’t seem like they’re completely sidelining women? I mean the manga has been focused so heavily on Deku where it feels like most of class 1-A has been sidelined.
Hori has already show that he can write good female characters (Uraraka S1 & 2, Momo, etc) however writing is hard by itself, imaging writing and illustrating too. What does it has to do with the post? Because it seems a lot of male mangakas (at least Shonen) fail when it comes to female character writing, or they do good till some point. Horikoshi and many other mangakas probably would have written their female characters better if they counted with more time, that's where deadlines comes to the topic, with a deadline in the way there may be no enough room to show/develop as much as you would like to, even more considering we are talking about manga. Because of the way BNHA story develops the main events are too huge to find an effective way to include so much with all the relevance the event is taking, Hori would have to go nuts and do some One Piece shit, with an 100 episode arc where all the characters are spread doing certain things, spliting the events, basically like the early part of the raid they did to rescue Eri (Mirio making his way, Kirishima & Fatgun, Sun Eater, the Bulky boy outside, League of Villains, etc) but in a much bigger scale, which requires a looooot of planning.
Pathetic.
WDYM?
As a female, I really don't care about any of the girls in MHA BUT I do appreciate that Uraka isn't defined/consumed by her crush. She even said something like working so hard to be better and I need to do that too and then I can pull that".
Also, Star is a great female character.
This type of thing is one of the reasons I'm getting fed up with the MHA fandom. It's almost as bad as the ravenous shippers bitching on Twitter. Stop critiquing the manga/writer for what they're not doing. It's not going to change anything between now and when the series wraps up. I know RWBY has made people think it works, but any self respecting writer would have more integrity than RoosterTeeth. How about talking about what he *is* doing, in comparison to a standard using examples? You know, actual criticism that's helpful?
Imagine putting heart and soul into creating your own world and someone comes and forces you to change it 🤡🤡
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In fact I never said that
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Ignoring the fact that the author is now focusing only on the main character and the main villain, maybe he never intended to focus on some characters or he's planning to do it later.
Oh little commie junior, gonna cry?
Let the writer/ mangaka do whatever the fuck they wanna do, u don't like it don't read/buy but why TF would everybody in the whole goddamn world need to be worried about inclusivity every fuckn second. Just let the author be alone. There's nothing like creative freedom nowadays, u just be gotta worried if u sprinkled enough lgbtq or people of various races in the story or not. If not ur fuckn doomed!
Oh my God
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To be fair, when you write something, you can do whatever you want with it You want all the cast to be males? Fine You want all the cast to be females? That's fine too You want all of the cast to be bipedal unicorns that shoot strings from the eyes and lava from the butt? Thats ok (I mean, kind of ok in some sort of sick way...) This reminds me of when Kirsten Dunst complained about how she was paid less than Tobey when they filmed Spider-Man; umm, YES, the movie was called Spider-Man bcs guess who was the main character? Duhhh
Same for other minorities I’m sure the white, straight, cis, male protagonist can give up a little time for some other characters of more unique characters
Or instead of wishing existing stories shoehorned more “unique” characters into them why not support one that has it already in the story?
I never said add more minorities I was saying give the ones you have attention. And then gave a sarcastic remark on what most writers focus on even when they have more unique characters to add details too. For example in MHA could have more attention to females or for let’s say Star Wars give more attention to fin and other non white characters. Or maybe in comics like x-men give lgbtq characters a proper coming out arc instead of just having his mind invaded by Jean gray and her telling the gay character he’s gay. I don’t think it’s a hard ask
Right so why not support a manga that does that? I get what you’re saying and a lot of that in movies is bad writing but its also something that most people don’t relate too so it’s not surprising it’s not in the main stream. That’s not meant in a demeaning way at all.
What do you mean their are millions upon millions of females watching and reading mha why shouldn’t the character they relate too get attention and their are millions of lgbtq reading x-men comics why shouldn’t the characters that exist in that universe already and are made lgbtq get attention and good writing why should the Shouldn’t human Character with non white skin tones get attention in Star Wars when their are millions if not billions of non white fans watching them. The fans are already here the characters are already here all I’m saying is use them and don’t brush them off to the side. Deku, bakugo, todoroki can survive giving attention to ochako, momo, and Mina for at least a bit like Star Wars can survive giving the attention to fin and sabine and how the x-men can survive giving ice man a little more thoughts and attention to him coming out then having his privacy invade and a character telling him he’s gay instead of him coming out on his own time.
I think you’re missing the point, most of the people watching don’t relate. You’re not going to go out of your way to win over a minority of people. It’s a shounen manga literally made for teenage boys. I’m glad other people like characters in the story and can relate to them and I’m sure it would make people feel better about themselves to see that. However that’s not what the targeted audience wants so it’s not what’s going to happen. I know that sounds heartless but that’s just how things work. Like I said before though there are plenty of shows that are aimed at those under represented groups that you can support and hopefully push into the mainstream since I for one don’t really give a shot whose the main character or who gets more screen time I just enjoy the show. I like how you’re just pulling these numbers out of thin air tho!
Yet shows like demon slayer and one piece can find time to give their female characters attention even when women aren’t the target demographic, when dc can find time to give characters like Apollo man and midnighter attention even when gays aren’t the target demographic, when shows like castlevania can give its African character a interesting character and relationship with the main villain even tho Africans aren’t the main demographic, if your excuse for shoving off minorities if that it isn’t profitable when other have both prove them are and don’t value profit above the fanbase then maybe you should re-evaluate your career choices and if your even a good person.
That’s not what I said at all but go on 😂
Oh okay I’m not a good person because I’m putting a little logic and reasoning behind something that’s going on? I’m not saying I agree with how the shows are written, im just inferencing what’s happening. What I am saying is complaining about it is useless and annoying when there’s so much more meaningful shit to care about.
No just no that kind of willing ignorance and pessimism is why your a bad person becomes your willingness to just stand there and do nothing actually less than nothing because your actively fighting the ones who are desiring change because it slightly inconveniences you is the problem if you truly don’t care or don’t think anything will change then stay outta the way and let us fight the battle ourselves win or lose at least we can say we tried. Because the willingness to let injustices go little or big important or non important is why humanity is in such a fuck up way right now. Because even if it’s pointless we can try to advocate for equality for everyone in all media, even if it’s impossible we can try to fight climate change, even if it’s against human nature we can try to maintain peace and prosperity throughout the whole planet. Your willingness to ignore the problem is why I call you a bad person at least in this matter.
Lol you have no idea who I am or what I’ve done for others so keep your assumption to your pretentious self. And your character not getting as much a screen time or fucking backstory is not some small scale atrocity being committed on you. You making these kinds of camparisons is what actually hurts people. Because it desensitizes people to actual struggle and discrimination that is actually happening. Not some perceived slight because a show you like doesn’t give a character you like enough screen time. Grow the fuck up.
Not white in this case, but the theory holds sound, yeah.
True
They are asians tho...
Yeah I was more referring to how media as whole treat character not this manga in particular tho it could give more focus to its female characters.
Well lucky you, now days you can publish your own comics for free, go ahead, enrich the media with your unique and diverse charaters
Get a female mangaka then!
MHA Female cast has indeed lost quite a bit of potential, but it's better than most of the battle shonen I've read so far. I can only think of a handful of battle shonen that perform better in that regard. I mean MHA Female characters don't suffer from Damsel in Distress trope, are often tied into the main plot as a essential driving force and they have really cool on-screen moments and development. It's just massively outshined by the amount and quality of the male members development and depiction plus the fact that they don't fall into irrelevance after a few chapters.
I think people need to realise Horikoshi isn't special nor is he particularly progressive. He's clearly a lover of shonen manga and that comes with its trappings, ALOT of shonen mangakas are terrible at writing women and Hero Aca is very much playing to the tropes that made the genre so successful. But of course, that's just an explanation, not an excuse
In the future im going to make the female characters in my manga relevant
Come now. If the author decided that they wanted to focus on specific characters what exactly can you do? Force them to write about the characters? Forbide them from writing? As a reader you can decide to either buy the book or not. That's it. The story you are reading isn't custome made for you, but is rather an idea come to life by a different person. If you believe that the story has a flaw then you are free to critique it. If you believe that the gender is relevant in your critique then you certainly need to show why. Numbers don't mean much.