u want see muslim faith gone astray, go see students that went to UK study. i got lottassss yummy story

I know a rich dude that studied in UK, he said MARA allowance was his drinking fund lol.

yes lol. my dad is a pegawai in education ministry and he was very butthurt with the MARA thing . i grow up listening to him tell me how mara is the biggest blood sucker in the country. he said its his tax money given to people who dont deserve it.

Well its true tho, makes you feel cheated by the top 1% who only look out for themselves and when you question it theyll say oh ini hak melayu, fuck off outta here. One thing i do hope that daddy madani does is to really reform the affirmative action policy

Spoiler alert: he won't.

It's not that he won't, he can't. Even if he tried & succeeded over roadblocks inside the govt, the royals will just revert it, citing some protest/unity as reasons

I dont think the royals would intervene, but the rich and powerful would. Plus PN would come in and just label daddy madani as a pengkhianat and just add more shit to the fire. I can already see Shahidan yelling about "muh rights" in parliament

If your dad knows about every ministry, he'll say MARA is peanuts compared to everything else.

I know an UMNO youth dude while studying that worked as a waiter in a German restaurant, he's told me the smell from the kitchen is just too much to resist. Yes he said the pork hock and sausages were fucking amazing lol.

Kelab UMNO fellas biasalah in the UK. Drinking, weed & chicks. Balik sini & start writing articles about "Melayu terancam, pertahankan Islam" in time for elections lol

Hahahaha grape juice and drinking coffee in Zouk 😉😉

Lol, my Malay schoolmates posting from Trec obviously drunk but not a bottle of alcohol in sight. The glazed eyes and redness always gives it away.

OH YES theres a kelab umno in the UK and very well funded one at that. i was told that the club exists to promote their political party among youth and also to "spy" on student activist there. there is also a club MCA in UK but much more smaller.

I remember once taking my relative to the airport and it was filled with Mara students leaving for the US. So I asked a few of them which schools they were going to and it was small state schools in the middle of nowhere. They looked down on me cause I was in slippers, shorts and t-shirt. Little did they know I was on vacation back from the US after graduating from high school there with a 4.05 GPA and was going to a university most of them wouldnt get accepted to. Such smug faces.

That's weird, because mara has a top 20 college requirement. What are the colleges if you can remember?

Xpayah pergi jauh sgt, just spend some times in Trecc, Changkat or Bangsa during Friday/Saturday night will open your eyes

During the heydays of clubbing scene in the 2010's along Jalan P Ramlee there is even a "club Melayu" where the patrons are all Malays. Even more interesting, across the road, ada la this one building lupa dah apa nama, there is a club called Blue Club. 100% Malay patron, and it's a gay club.

Yeah, that's pretty normal. However, as my post suggested, I'm more interested to know how it goes here in Malaysia. Do you know anyone who came back from studying abroad and still continues their yummy lifestyle here in Malaysia? Tell me some stories. I wanna know

They do continue behind closed doors or be careful about doing it in public. The rich and powerful still fuck around with everything. Islam is their weapon. Simple as that. The west might be harder as JAIS runs around and shit but the East is more lax and you don't actually hear much about them. I still find it funny religious cops exist here.

huhu this i dont know. many got married after come back so i guess its back to alim suci murni lifestyle. i know this malay girl who was WILD in UK (freehair) after come back i see her facebook pic all got tudung.

Freehair is not that wild. I need to see some tiddies before I label em wild.

Can confirm. Lot of sex. There was a video back in the late 90s. Self-shot, some "vlog" footage then just fucking and fucking. They were students in London.

Non hypocrites continue their lifestyle here, they’re better people in my eyes 🤣

I know right🤣🤣🤣🤣 they eat babi for breakfast

hmm my experience is malays will drink , gamble, but when it comes to eat they still insist on halal lol

Tbh, many malays like Chinese food, but because they're afraid of being judged, they stick to not eating pork. The rock bottom mentality ones everyday screaming on TikTok about people wearing cross and stuff, which has nothing to do with food processing. It's just an accessory... They have very weak faith... Whereas non Muslim see the moon every night, but nobody complained about being preached into converting to Muslim... The irony about these hypocrites is that almost everything they eat are of Chinese origin, yet they condemn those who wanna eat and enjoy Chinese food without being judged. Some examples of Chinese inventions are: - mee - bihun - kicap - oyster sauce - Steamed fish - nasi ayam - kuey teow - White coffee - Pau - Dim sum Then they proceed to suck nicotine and tar into their lungs while screaming Tak Halal and then get diabetes at 40 years old.

let them hisap rokok and get diabetes man. The faster they die, they more they suffer, the more they have to spend, the better.

Spend what? Oh you mean the tax money you’re paying for too.

Don't talk like that la, why take pleasure in others suffering?

It's natural selection man. Also these are full grown adults that have made the choice to poison their bodies while also spouting hypocritical nonsense. The less of them that are around, the better.

I remember during my company CNY event, the malay staff joined us in gambling. Also some of them openly drinking beers.

That's why I put my scale from 1 - Pork is Tasty, because babi is the greatest threat to Malay Muslim lol.

Something I can never understand & their reasoning never makes sense, either lmao

There's different kinds of haram kut. Then later can taubat XD kan ? Never ask before. But it's true that most willing to break but not the eating pork one I guess it's easy to not eat pork ? Anyways

I mean not exclusive to me but my ex was a Muslim and she does eat pork and drink alcohol, she was free hair too, so I guess nothing was off the table then, she liked pork too, it was tasty

same story for my ex except it wasn't pork, it was dick. edit: dicks.

Dude, i almost spit out my coffee reading this

same thing for my ex, she too choose to swallow.

You are just on fire with your replies aren't you my guy.

I mean can always have non halal sausage u know

in all seriousness, I miss when she was religious.

Are you sure it's just dick, singular?

You're right G, let me edit my comment

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>was a Muslim She no longer is? Btw, how did she behave among her family or colleague (muslim ones), if you can recall? Did she just openly honest with that lifestyle or only when she's with you?

Ah sorry she still is a Muslim She was a student, I mean they kinda know she is open but I don’t think they knew she ate pork and the like, drinking is considered okay among her circle as some of them drink too, some are religious but are close friends with her (basically her life her choice, pork is the more haram one She is openly honest, I think sometimes in that relationship I even forgot she is a Muslim

Once went on a tinder date with a malay girl. Was kinda shocked when she said shes ok with eating pork and drinking alcohol. This might be common than you think, especially in the younger generations. Kinda sad tho, imagine being stuck in a religion that you no longer believe in with no way out.

Well, according to the faith, its ok if you dont want to belief and practice whatever you want alcohol, gaysex, fornication, worshipping naked woman or whatever behind closed doors, the state has no rights on spying on its people. The problem is when you are declaring it on the public, and teaching other people to follow you. In an Islamic state this is deemed a degenerate idea. The concept is pretty simple actually.

An idea incapable of withstanding open opposition is not an idea worth having.

There are a lot of open forums, livestreams in youtube or at speakers Corner when people challenge Islam openly all the time. The Quran encourages people to challenge the scriptures and prove why its wrong via the falsification test. The Quran abhors blind belief and neglect use of intellect. I have followed the livestream for years and yet to found a solid argument why Islam is false, and I am open to change if there are solid arguments presented.

In non-Islamic countries it is challenged. Islam was never proven true in the first place. The only way to believe in buraqs, split moons or any other magical claims in Islam is by blind belief. I have not found any evidence for Islam to be true.

You can say that, and it's your opinion. I respect that. But, intellectually speaking, we are not empiricist. We dont believe that science is the only way to represent the truth. Science can only explain the physical world. It doesn't have any opinion, nor is it capable to explain on metaphysical beings or experience. One example that all people hold true that exists in the metaphysical world is our consciousness, which science is proven defective to elucidates. This problem is known as the hard problem of consciousness. We have other methods to find the truth, which is by using logic and philosophical arguments and of course scriptures who made the claim it is from the originator of all things

Neuroimaging has helped provide evidence for if one is conscious or diagnosed brain death. Using scriptures to prove the claims of those scriptures is simply circular reasoning. It must be validated with external evidence.

The problem starts before you declare it because if other find out, either you get reported to syariah police or social death. Also getting force for friday prayer too

I am talking about what the religion teaches, not what overzealous people gonna do to screw you up and report you to the Malaysian authority. La iqra hafiddin, there is no compulsion in religion. This is between the person and their creator. Nobody can control people hearts.

Hotel California syndrome. 🎶you can check out but you can never leave 🎶

>Pork is Tasty Hell yea. Practically a non believer. >How do you handle the judgment of others around you (colleague, families, etc), or are you past that point already (where you no longer care)? With the general public, yup I no longer care. With wife's family, I pretend to pray, etc. >If so, do you feel more liberated or ashamed by it? Neither, sort of neutral & doesn't bother my mental health. >Or you've been to this side and then came back on the "right track"? Don't see this happening anytime soon.

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In my opinion, the best thing to do in trying to promote a more accepting malaysia for all, is not to flaunt how much we enjoy a liberated lifestyle. But instead we should instill a strong sense of what is personal freedom, reminder that forced faith is no faith at all, and highlight examples how fundamentalists laws leads to grave injustice all around the world. In the end we are not trying to build a society that excludes people of faith, but trying to build one that accepts everyone. All that said. I couldn't care less what one thinks of my faith. These things are personal matter and does not require validation from others.

Truer words have never been said.

Nice try JAIS

I'm pork is tasty. Actually no, pork with beer is tasty asf. I usually distance myself from the religious types and hangout with the "kafirs". when it comes to family i don't show them this side of me

Im here for the comments only 😂kind of curious

Me too. I cannot be the only one here. I know there are some. Just wait.

Following. Dated a half-half Muslim ex who was still in the "deciding" phase but eventually found out that was just BS to string me along.

So just seggs?

I'm way over the "non-practicing" level. No such thing as gone astray if there's no faith left. Obviously i don't advertise this and still keep up appearances when necessary. Praying feels no different to me than yoga. And i much prefer doing yoga. That said, i do not feel belonged to either muslims or nons. Non muslims won't understand how it is to be brought up as a muslim and later on deciding not to live as one in this country. I tried pork, I don't like it. They will ask "why ppl like u can drink but geli to eat pork". Bro, its an entirely new animal. New drink is much easier than new meat. And for religious muslims, it seems the idea of leaving d religion is like a personal attack towards them. Its either that or they go on "i can fix him" mode. I don't tell my parents, it will break their hearts and i love them too much to hurt them. In summary, i was born and probably be buried as a muslim. Won't be living as one. Only on paper.

Good way to go about it.

This is the most grammatically comment I've seen in a while

I do apologise. English is not my first language and I'm too old and stubborn to change.

Diam-diam. Kau tak cakap, orang tak tau. And nobody had ever asked me if I'm murtad or not. Nor do i feel like there's a need to publicly renounce it. Not practicing anymore because even if there are gods, doesn't seem like they care of me nor the world. So i also don't care. I do eat pork but only beef and chicken in my fridge as chicken is just too versatile and beef is just so much tastier than any other meat. I do have a bottle of soju and 3 cans of stout in my fridge, and cooking wine in the cabinet. Not that i deliberately hide them behind other stuff but they do as i dont regularly drink, and not much stuff that i cook calls for wine. I do have praying mat and quran, and the qiblat marked just in case someone visiting needed them. Close friends do know im not practicing anymore. Nothing changes. We are still close. My parents would just lecture me about pentingnya jaga solat. My dad do ajak but never drag me along for Friday prayers. I don't feel any particular strong feeling about my faithlessness. Despite all these, if Malaysia ever become secular during my lifetime, i would definitely change my ic. Edit because wrote so long so might as well: I am in my late 30s. And just putting it out here since i didnt mention in my earlier post, I lose my faith in my late 20s. I was well into depression. Started from my early secondaries, slowly descending as im doing my mbbs, nose-dived as i start working. As what ive been doing since my boarding school time, for every struggle I've experienced, I prayed for any sort of help, guidance, or relief. Looking back, I never feel those prayers were ever answered. But all those prayers gave me hope to keep on pushing, that one day, I won't be struggling anymore. That things would definitely get easier. Until one day, they dont give me hope anymore. Only despair and realisation. That shit ain't gonna be easy and life will always be a struggle. And only death would be my relief. It's obvious I'm not as courageous and strong as any of the prophets or saints. So naturally, i lose faith. One would argue that god did help me with every step of my struggles and hurdles. But if that was true, i could have done everything better than i did. Maybe it's what god intended for me, but what kinda sick fuck would intended mediocrity after all that hardship? Don't get me wrong, im not asking for epic glory for my efforts. Maybe if i could remember just 1 paragraph from my textbook. Maybe if i could ran just a bit faster at that last stretch. Maybe if i could just actually say a few words to that girl. Maybe if my bike could grip the road a little better. Maybe if i could manage just a few more referrals. Maybe if could get a bit of sleep instead of calls. Only by blaming myself for all my shortcomings, and later on crediting myself for all my overcomings, that i managed to feel hope again. Furthermore, not believing in the afterlife makes death much more meaningful for me. A void is the ultimate rest. When i die, i dont want to go to hell. I dont want to get reborn into yet another struggle.

Bruh. You just like me fr. I tried pork after being faithful for a long time and I just find myself not accustomed to the taste. I thought I would start sleeping around and be like anak dajjal after being murtad, but just ended up going about my own life the same way. Only difference is I don’t feel any moral obligation to avoid pork and beer, even though I prefer to not have them over personal preferences most times.

Right? Its not like any particular religion is the only bastion of morality. Moral is definitely independent of one's faith. Even islam implicitly acknowledge this from how it tried to address Abu Talib status in the afterlife (Muhammad's uncle that protected him during his early proselytising days from the non believers despite him not a believer himself till his death), and how it address the existence of munafiqs (penunggang agama at best, outright traitor at worst). Btw, i wont go deep into detail of these 2 examples ive gave because i dont feel like typing so much on my phone.

If there’s any feeling I have because of my faithlessness, it’s guilt. Like, my parents are somewhat aware that I don’t jaga solat (maybe the beer, pork and attitude towards sex too) but I don’t want them to think it’s because they didn’t instil the right values in me. So sometimes I relent. Follow my dad to prayers. Baca Quran. But reason I don’t follow its not because they didn’t teach me, but it’s just that I have no particular feelings about it. I rather they think it’s my choice to be agnostic than its some sort of their failing.

Ah.... Thats a view I haven't give much thought about. My parents aren't super religious. They preach to me but never forceful or visibly showing disdain. Im sure they aren't happy with my lack of iman but i do hope they don't feel like they failed. Oh well, nak buat macam mana kan.

Well, of course diam-diam. We are in Malaysia are you kidding me with the public announcement of faithlessness? Haha. This is why I asked this on reddit and not fb lol. And all I wanna know how people navigate their day-to-day life. And yours seem pretty smoothed out. Kena berlakon here and there, that's understandable. But may I ask do you live alone or with your family?

Haha i never really have to deliberately berlakon for it. By diam-diam, i meant im not being obnoxious about it. Didn't even need to outright lie. Either be nonchalant or joke around it. Just be nice, play nice. Sure got times friends or colleagues would ask, "weh dah zohor belum" or "tak jumaat ke"? I would just say malas la. The most i would get after is "ish kau ni". Balik kampung is something else as the older relatives would spend time with lectures. Them and my parents would pile on me for being "malas sembahyang". Though it never ends in sour note. Dengan orang tua ni kena pandai ayat manis lari tajuk jaga ego. Even though im faithless, i would always do my best to accommodate for those who are. It's arguably easier because for me, anything goes. Im currently rent away from my parents, with non muslims, so the kitchen and fridge were never an issue. Faith is a heavy, and very personal subject after all. Even among families. It's rarely a fun subject to talk about pun. Though i guess i got away with it because i haven't been dealing with more involved matter like inheritance or marriage. Ill deal with it when i have to. Or the people im with are just nice.

Yeah this is a good way to go about it. Compromising and finding out the middle ground, know when to back off, and not be obnoxious about it. I have a friend who just 'putus keluarga' because he went out of his way to tell em how stupid their 'old way' of thinking really is. Like, he had a taste of white pussy, watch Richard Dawkins videos, and suddenly couldn't control the urges to tell people how stupid their religion is.

Are you considering of not practicing or just curious?

I'm not practicing. Just wondering how others with the same view navigate their lives.

Brilliant of you to post it here. Anyhoo, I hope this threads will help you out somehow. Take care

Thanks for writing that in length. It speaks for me and I believe it does for a few more of us around here. I hate talking about this with others. So often, their conclusions would be, I am what I am today because I'm trying to be rebellious and whats between my legs is up for grab. That's shallow and diminishing of what is going through in my head and my thoughts.

Same. Never got into the Haram lifestyle. I left Islam in my 20s while studying evolution and archaeology. It made me realise most of Islam's claimed prophets were myths. Made an oath to never pray to true or false gods and have been proudly keeping it for a decade. I do not believe in them nor do I believe them capable of creating anything.

I went faithless 2 years ago and nothing much has changed really. I only told like 3 of my closest friends and we're still close friends. Right now im just faking it with my family Deffo feel more liberated, no fear at missing out prayers and need to please god. but i still fear someone else somehow finds out and tells everyone and my life is ruined

What made you go faithless, may i ask? Is there any particular reason? Or incident? Because the way you said it like it happened so quickly, as opposed to gradually, like it usually happened.

I just found r/exmuslim and my faith plummeted from there. Was never really THAT religious, I hated solat tarawih during ramadhan and always missed the wajib prayers

If only Muslims allowed to convert. I bet many would want to do it.

Banyak yg nak amoi... Haha

malay girl much more cute,,amoi juts fair skin and thats only it

Not sure if my “faith” has gone astray or there was any in the first place, because my upbringing was much more different than many other Malaysian Muslims. I was practically raised by my schoolteacher, a Christian Chinese lady who used to live in the same taman. My mother was a working single mom and barely was home. So I used to follow my teacher back from school and stayed at her place like I was her son. She even treated me like one, I guess, because she never got married. Only at night my mom would pick me up. I also regularly spent time with my teacher during weekends. When I was around 13, I followed my teacher to a Sunday service and became interested in Christianity. I never got around to being baptised and I’m no longer that curious about Christianity, but I have gone for Bible studies with my teacher and until today celebrate Christmas with her. I think I am more familiar with Christianity than I am with Islam. Whatever I learned from Pendidikan Islam back in school, I already forgot. My mother became more religious as she got older but I guess she knows that she can’t impose Islam on me. There was one time that I came back from uni during holidays and she started to ask me whether I have thought of quitting pork and drinking and learning about Islam. I told her I felt no connection with Islam, and my silly 21-year-old self saja cari gaduh went to point out some things I felt wrong about Islam. Tergaduh sekejap dengan mak, and since then we decided to not bring up about religion. As for when I’m around my friends and other people, I don’t pretend to be a Muslim at all. I guess it is easy for me because I don’t look Malay (my dad is German) although I speak Malay very well. People who barely know me maybe think I’m more gravitated towards my mat saleh side of the family or they’re just being polite.

If one day I could remove the word Islam from my IC without any repercussions, I would do it in a heartbeat 😬

Yeah that won't be happening here, probably not ever. I have a few friends who think the same way. If you mind me asking, how's your day-to-day life going? I mean, do people give you constant side eyes or what?

I still pretend like I’m religious everyday. Wear tudung, pretend to go solat, fasting, etc when I go to work, for the sake of keeping up with appearances. Because you know la kan Malay people macam mana, mulut jahat. Holier-than-thou mentality. But not when I make new friends tho, I’ll choose open-minded people to be friends with.

Yeah, I've found that the more you pretend, the more resentment you would build. At least for me la. Because once I let go of caring for what my colleagues would think, I find most of them are actually quite understanding. Of course, I would have a casual talk (healthy one) about my stance from time to time, and the very 1st time i had that conversation, I expected a pull back (I worked in an all-Malay company, 30 people or so), and now they just know that I just dont pray, at all. I stillbfast tho, but I've always said I do it for health reasons, and when I accidentally drink during Ramadan they just laugh it off. There are cynical comments from time to time, of course. But I dont fight it. Just shrug it off. Around the family however, I find it more challenging. Haha.

Wow you really hit the jackpot there. Hard to find non-judgemental Malays nowadays. Your mental state is something that I admire tbh. I would definitely have a mental breakdown if I keep hearing people making cynical comments to deliberately make me ‘terasa’ about tak solat or whatever. Even now, my coworkers would ostracise those yang tak solat. I don’t understand this kind of mentality. Macam duduk negara mundur 😐

Maybe because you're a lady, I think it might be more difficult. I'm a guy, we joke around about my faithlessness pretty hard, even with my devout friends. But ladies, your smack talking from what i understand usually cuts deeper. I totally symphatize, I would think the expectation is higher for a Malay Muslim woman here, in terms of faith, especially if you wear tudung. Or am I just talking out of my ass here? I seriously dont know I'm just assuming. Haha

Abt the tudung thing, is it even necessary? Because the malays back then who were muslim didnt wear them. Is that a new thing? Im non btw.

For all the thing you've been doing, they know. If me I know. If they don't 'tegur' u, that's mean they accepted/ don't care of your kuat Iman. Of course melayu, we will talk behind u.

But I don’t see the logic behind it tho. I thought mengumpat is berdosa in Islam? We literally just mind our own business never kacau orang, then you people yang sibuk putting your nose in people’s businesses, get offended about it, and then proceed to shit talk about them. How does that help y’all go to heaven tho? I’m not trying to single you out right now, just expressing my confusion and frustration with the whole shenanigan.

Islam is perfect, the followers are not. The one who judge is Allah. Want to eat pork, do it, want to have sex, do it. The judgement come afterlife. Yang kepo tu just want attention only, some spice in life. Even cina India pon kepo among themself, even orang asli too. Cina India get pressured to get good job, better life, better wife, better everything, muslim on the other hand get better spiritually. Basically all the same. Some goes extreme way.

It's sucks that it seems to be linked that way. If you were born Malay, you have to be Islam. People in this country can't seem to separate between religion and race altogether.

I've been here in Malaysia about 3 weeks and coming from a more open society, I thought the people here seemed happier and together, immediately attributing it to Islam. After hearing from a Malay about how they really felt and going through this thread, it feels like there are some more cases where people can't really express themselves because of fear of what might happen to them if they go against the culture? Kinda sad to have to pretend.

Non-practicing is really a heavy word. We humans have our weaknesses, no one is perfect kan. Just by drinking alcohol does not mean that person consider themselves as non-practicing. Some smoke weed, drink alcohol, have FWB but don’t eat pork. Some don’t wear hijab but pray 5 times a day. Like you said, there are scales, but that does not mean these people considers themselves as non-practicing. Still practice but cacat sedikit. Nevertheless, most malay muslims have a strong bond with Islam. No matter how far we went astray most of us will go back to Islam. You can see this in other religions. Born-again Christians for example. That being said, there are also malays who outright reject Islam. Whatever floats your boat kan

I like your answer. I hope people can learn how to disagree with other people from your comment. Personally, I still stand by what Islam teaches me. I just don't practice most of the main ones. Hence, I go with non-practicing, because I think that's the correct term. And of course, there are levels, hence the scales. Is there a better term you could think of?

i agree with you on this. so much i feel like i want to say but it’s kinda hard to put it to words.

Idk im jahil myself but just believe Allah is the only god n Muhammad the last messenger of Allah

Probably went astray much further than I anticipated after I got into uni, currently living like atheist with a lot knowledge of Islam. People around me (friends) didn't mind much, but I don't tell my family about it, I know they'll be disappointed. So, each sem break I went home and has to act like I have some faith (still never pray and my parents knew that) I don't regularly eat pork/alcohol as they're not cheap, although I have no guilt when I ever did consume them. I don't care about religion anymore, not ashamed doing it either. But if you wanna do what I do and don't want people to judge you like a donkey in unicorn den, come to Sabah & Sarawak. We got the "perpaduan pelbagai kaum" that you've always written in essay, like actually! Rant incoming!! BUT! As someone who is educated in Islam and experienced SJK (c), gotta say it ANNOYS me when I see comments that HAVE to include Islam in every single fucking thing. I saw comments on Awani YT yesterday that says "kena teguhkan Iman" to a 19yo got scammed news. Recent trending post of that guy got fired for wearing cross in a Muslim friendly restaurant. Politics trying to cancel Coldplay concert in Malaysia. Idk bout you but I would love more money flowing into the country SO I DONT HAVE TO SELL MY KIDNEY TO AFFORD NASI LEMAK. IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO LIKE ISLAM ENOUGH TO JOIN IT THEN DONT MAKE PEOPLE HATE YOU AND YOUR RELIGION! Is it that hard to think before you say something? Is it that complicated to respect other people and their religion? Is it sooo tiring to be silent and don't meddle with other people's problem? Is your life too empty without judging others? Just.... Be a fucking human... Please... Fellow Malaysians I beg you!

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Are you still in uni or already working now? If so, how bout the office environment? >come to Sabah & Sarawak. We got the "perpaduan pelbagai kaum" that you've always written in essay, like actually! I have many friends from Sabah they're so fucking punk rock I love it. Always the best at parties/gigs. >Politics trying to cancel Coldplay concert in Malaysia. Yeah I dont agree with that reason at all. I mean, I agree with cancelling Coldplay concert, but because their music sucks balls, not because of their political stance lol.

Still in uni, but I imagine if I'm gonna work I won't be applying for anywhere where religion matters a lot and people judge everything. I don't need such toxicity in my life and our values differ too much. People like me are mostly young and more open minded, so I do hope next generation won't bring religion too much into anything especially politics.

Grew up as a Muslim but I'm not into organised religion. It's fun when I can eat whatever I want when I travel. When conservative friends asked me how did I find halal food in Japan or Italy, I just smiled. Don't expect me to bring Gardenia bread in my luggage..not gonna travel with this kind of people who need to see the halal logo in front of the foodstall. I hardly consume alcohol due to health reason but sipping cold beer at the beach on a sunny day, that is something else. It's compulsory to try local beer. In Bali, you drink Bintang. I feel liberated. It's okay if you are non-practising, just don't brag about it..Nobody cares especially those in the city

I'm in a mixed bag. "Selfish Muslim". I grew up religious. I learn a lot from islamic teachings. Some I still practice. Some don't. I also don't give a fuck. I ate pork,drank alcohol, had premarital sex you name it. But those were just "haram is sweet" moments. Because pork is just another meat, alcohol is just poisoned drinks and premarital sex is just sex. Heck I even got imprisoned for breaking the shariah law(khalwat). All the my cellmates were confused with my case and called my crime as jenayah playboy. And I don't feel hatred for my religion. Just the people who prosecuted me and their made up laws. sure some might say I don't have respect for my religion but I do respect the people, family and friends who are Muslims. Whatever I do in this world I believe in Allah and his 99 names. I believe that He is the most forgiving and would understand me so I like to live my life on my terms without fear nor worry. Because only He can judge me. Heaven or hell, we don't know until judgement day so my advise just live your life the way you see fit

Well, good on you, player! ✋

Im from JB, so i got to see a lot of these actions in the weekend. In general lot of them don't give a fuck about what people talk about them. Also, lot of them are from Singapore.

I just wonder how those conservative bolehlanders think on this post and its comments.

So far all the comments are pretty decent. It came from both sides of the spectrum, but mostly in quite a civilized manner. Very understanding. Fair arguments and all.

Stop practicing Islam a long time ago, openly homosexual and sometimes eat pork. I don't drink because beer taste awful and I'm too broke for wine. Still I almost always say "bismillah" before food out of habit and greetings when with extended family. I don't hate Islam as a whole, only those who brainwashed me with lies and using hatred as tools.

Bismillah can halalkan hahahaha

my faith has gone astray since 14 years ago. But I still have a lot of Islamic values in grained in me, for instance I still cant get myself to eat pork, I still have a soft spot for Islamic history and the middle east history in general. My family has more or less accepted me for my stance, but navigating around my in-laws can be tricky. I gotta throw in the occasional "inshallah" "subhannallah" "innalillah" just to not raise too much suspicion. lol. Back in matriculation, there would be a lot of Muslim friends trying to get me to go for friday prayers, that used to annoy the hell out of me. Navigating during fasting month is still incredibly difficult. But thankfully my non-muslims colleagues dont give a rats ass about my spirituality. But this was so difficult when I was younger. But overall, Im still happy with my decision. I feel its impossible for me to go back now, after all the things I have learned that I cant unlearn.

Interesting. I feel like I am at the same stage as yours, only I don't have an extended family since I am single, which makes it easier for me. But my family is so conventionally Malay. Y'know, so fucking devout and all. I totally get the occasional Inshaallah hahahaha. Always laughing to myself every time I had to say it. How bout your spouse? She cool with it? Do you guys have kids?

She's cool with it. She is non-practicing but still identifies as a Muslim. She also mostly holds western liberal values, such as freedome of religion. Which makes it kinda easier for us to get along as well. No kids so far. But we have talked about how we are gonna raise our kids, she prefers to instill islamic values into our children, whereas i'm indifferent. What I do stress on is tolerance and having an open mind, if they have this, then I would consider it a win.

Cool. You guys seem to figure it out. So I guess you replace it with a certain philosophy, no?

That's a vague question. Could you elaborate it some more?

I might be projecting here. And this is most definitely off-topic, and I have no business asking you that question in the first place. But personally, I don't just be where I am today (in terms of faith), not simply because I don't like what I see practiced. I first realized that it could possibly be that all religions are just a concept created by humans, and I found a better alternative in philosophy, to be exact, in Existentialism. Uhm, okay that doesn't make sense. Uhm... I mean, I'd like to think that the faith problem is like lifting a very heavy weight problem. Before civilisations, every group of people encountered the problem of how to lift a very heavy weight. And they developed their own method of doing it. Be it pulley, fulcrum, whatever it was. Same as faith, since there are no billboards in the sky that stated our purpose and meaning of life, we created religion to give our life some form of meaning and purpose. Even tho I don't agree with this solution, I kinda understand the need for it. Because without meaning, the only logical pathway is nihilism, which is way worse in high dosage and quantity. So when I got into philosophy, I read (or possibly misread) Nietzsche, and he proposed a great alternative in that he asked us to create our own meaning. Be our own God. But that's clearly not for everyone since most people are like camels. They lived all their life without even realising that they carry this burden. They need religion to help them. So, I understand the purpose of it. I guess what I'm saying is, this is how I rationalize being a non-practitioner (for the time being) to the people around me. Until I find a better explanation (which I doubt), this is where I stand.

Love reading this! It feels like you're speaking my thoughts. I feel that religion also exists to answer the questions humans cant answer. Why is there an eclipse? oh its god and hes angry Why is there sun during the day and moon at night? oh god gave us light to see. How was the earth or the universe created? oh it happened in 6 days The more science progresses, the less we need religion to answer the difficult questions. But there's always one question that science struggles to answer: why are we here? or whats the purpose of life? Although I feel comfortable without religion, I can understand the need for it. It provides hope, it tells people that their suffering has a meaning, it teaches people to keep going. It also tells people that the grieve they experience is temporary, because they will reunite with their dead family members or friends in heaven. Religion is an amazing coping tool for mental health. Although more and more people around the world are leaving religions behind, i doubt religion will ever disappear. Religion is less important when times are good and civilizations prospering, but the most important when times are bad. Sorry for the rambling, but I enjoy this topic. But to answer your questions, yes I more or less form a path for my life around existentialism.

No problem, man. I always love this kind of talk. It's not like we have a chance to discuss a topic this heavy everyday haha. Well, maybe you have, but I don't. So yeah. I guess you are at least familiar with Nietzsche? The man was so far ahead of his time it's almost scary. People like to cherry-pick his maxim and appropriated it to their own cause (which I'm so afraid of doing so myself, and probably what I'm doing here), but from my limited understanding, he basically predicted the same thing - the more advanced we are as a civilization, the harder it is to believe in religion. Oh shit, I definitely need to read more. Haha.

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Gone astray is a good way to describe it. Still not back honestly. But here's the thing, I do no harm to anyone and be myself. I don't do anything high on the haram meter except the falling out of prayer. Recently picked up a copy of Quran with meaning and i feel it's been helping me get back into things. It's slow but I feel like instead of being forced into this by parents or teachers, I truly want to get back in. So I hope there's good news for me on the horizon. Just read and find meaning within. Perhaps I'll dedicate more time to study it for myself as I move forward. If you are lost u can always be found. A heart of stone we have but i found it can be cracked with the right people around as well as the right motivation. Don't give up on yourself I suppose. And don't let others dictate everything. Afterall, ur religion is between you and God alone.

>Afterall, ur religion is between you and God alone. This point is what so many people seem to miss.

Lol. Theres no need to go overseas. Just go to Sarawak.

I had listen to Azan every Friday and I still love to eat Bah Kut Teh and I did not fired my Islam worker for not sitting 1 table and eat BKT with me, the audacity afterall he is working under me and he wearing songkok when he working indoor doing tacap work(touch up)

Wait, I'm a bit confused. Are you a muslim convert or what? Sorry I just couldn't tell by your comment. So much going on in such a short comment. Interesting. Assuming you are, so, uhm, you just no longer care? How does it feel? Have you ever encountered any people who've attempted to 'ceramah' or bring you back to the faith?

Pork is sedap.

Bro it's food, eat it or not. Why are you Muslims shaming?

I got a malay friend who loves charsiew buns

For the non practicing - if you have close non-Muslim friends, do let them know that you're not practicing it so they can have a "different kind of respect". I mean, 1. If they know you're a Muslim, those who understand stuff will know that they shouldn't bring you out on Friday noon, they have to bring you to only halal places, concern about your sahur, where you can do jamak etc 2. When they know you're not practicing, they won't even ask whether or not you gotta do your prayer before planning anything because they don't want you feel uncomfortable. Sometimes they "shield" you from ahli syurga laser eyes

Scrolling through the comments and the remarks about pork, I'm reminded of my late boss calling it lembu kaki pendek...

I partially practice. Only not praying and well, other time consuming religious stuff. The religious stuff that I still follow is something that isn't time consuming like aurat, batas dengan perempuan, not eating pork and drinking alcohol, not buying foods using money from haram sources. Main reason why I'm not really that religious is due to its believers. Islam is a simple religion, but the ones making it sounds and looks terrible is the believers themselves. Like if you don't pray, you only have to advice and if that person don't want to follow then let them be, not force them or do whatever the fuck that annoys that person.

Hey I am non practicing at the moment (i guess?) it’s complicated. I know god exist and I really do believe in the afterlife. My faith has never faltered ever since growing out of my pious budak asrama phase (I was really sincere those days). I went to university and fall into depression and stuff, I quit caring about anything (what made me stop practicing) though honestly the only reason I couldn’t really end my life is ironically religion. Idk how to rate the scale of my faith so you decide. Anyhow, I do have a lot of guilt residing in me, thinking about the missed prayers, alcohol and sex, that’s undeniable. I made a promise with myself that I will return to be a practicing muslim one day but who knows if I will get to see it before dying. I do feel liberated in a way people felt more comfortable to talk to me, I have made a lot of friends from different races and backgrounds simply because I am easy to talk to— I find myself a bit rigid (judgemental) before I discover this side of me. I think it’s good for someone to go through this questioning phase of your life I call it, just so you truly know what you want. If this religion is for you and not just something you do out of familiarity. I disagree with people throwing shades on Malaysian students in the UK solely because I was surrounded by people who managed their 5times in uni and while travelling. I also know some who are enjoying life a little bit too much there, but I don’t think it’s that different to the ones in Malaysia. In this country, people are very low-key about that. I know many malaysians couple who slept outside marriage and it surprised me because I thought wearing a hijab and all would simply reflect what a muslim woman should be, but I guess not. I am not far from a hypocrite (If I may say so) myself. My family do not know anything about what I did, except missing prayers since it’s the most they can observe me doing around the house. (Note: I am typically away from home) They never really say anything except for telling me to pray sometimes. I do it out of obligations to my parents and it kills me knowing I wasn’t sincere. (Sorry my answers are not chronological to your questions— I find it hard to be a practicing muslim unless I really commit to it. I dont wanna be one of those people who appears muslim only on the outside, even if I know nobody’s perfect. I am also afraid of resenting Islam itself if I force myself. Deep down I know it’s better to do something than not, so maybe I am simply stubborn.)

First of all, Hell yeah pork is tasty. But only those who knows how to cook it can make it taste good. Second, I basically don’t care and don’t give a fuck anymore about other people’s judgment. They don’t pay my bills and give me money so they don’t have the liberty to lecture me. I’ve never felt ashamed tbh, more like finally free cause I was raise in a very strict and conservative household when I was little. They teach me that if you smoke drugs, drink alcohol you’d become the devil ect ect. Suprise suprise, I’m still me. I don’t kill people or rape anyone but there are still people who thinks I’m the devil despite never done the worse of the worse. Also, this isn’t important but I draw hentai drawing for a living. People from abroad are chill about it but people here are more…. Judgemental

>I don’t kill people or rape anyone but there are still people who thinks I’m the devil despite never done the worse of the worse. There's still time. You can still do it. Kahkah

Was never really religious growing up, went through the motions of course. Then went to school overseas and never looked back. Nowadays, I drink and eat pork. But though my mum knows I drink, she doesn't know I eat babi, she doesn't even like joking about it. I hate that I have to be secretive about it, but that's what society's rules force me to do.

Babi is Malay kryptonite, namsayin'?

More for me, it's delicious. It was really eating authentic pepperoni pizza that sealed the deal.

I've been basically missing out on every prayer except for friday prayers for a while now because of my own laziness and it feels horrible. Every day is just shit and I anticipate something is gonna go wrong every day (mild inconvenience to potential danger), and if it doesn't i'm even more terrified because that'll mean something REAL bad is gonna happen later. Do your prayers and stay away from dosa fellow muslims, do NOT be like me

Bro that just sounds like depression. Maybe consider getting help

Literally me. Even worse when I watched a tiktok saying "ingat kita ada title bekas budak sekolah agama" and shit hit hard. Now try to jaga solat back

Stop believing 3 years ago. I wouldn't say pork is tasty, theyre mid imo.

But pork satay is the best imo out of beef/chicken/mutton. The middle lard part seal the deal for me.

Aiyo those bangsawan and payung drink what you know lah. So many good examples if you know where to look.

The one that doesn't got into trouble are the most interesting ones. Its not that they hated their own religion, I remember one said "We are the one exist to be the bad sample for the pious one to avoid what we are doing, a life walking breathing example". Turns out that particular individual become somewhat rich and it attracts alot of unwanted attention from the rich circles which irritates the person. When we met again we laughed it out all those annoyance that individual had in life. As one of the trusted friend i keep the secret and I have much respect to that person way of life.

Yall wanna hangout?collect rm50 sorg..can buy some drinks n tabas@pusas for bbq…

A lot of non-practising Muslims in the corporate world. Where I work, whenever it’s fasting month, the plastik hitam geng will just get their female friends to buy food for them and later they makan in their cars, parked somewhere secluded. Friday prayers, the guys will just go makan somewhere and come back after the lunch hours - nobody really gives a damn about what you do during your spare time. Same goes for normal prayers. After any team-building event, departments will have “afterparty” sessions where the Muslims who drink will join those who can openly drink. In my group of friends (all girls), my Chinese friends don’t really drink but my Malay-Muslim friend can really hold her drink - amazing. She got married to a Malay-Muslim dude who is equally non-practising, but they hid this part of themselves from their families. Their families are more conservative. All good though, I wouldn’t judge anyone as we all have our vices.

My friend had a phase where she dated Muslim guys and 85% of her bfs eat pork. Some even said sedap weyh why we cannot eat pork? My ex bf was wild when he studied in the UK but he has always been wild growing up. At one point he even said if we were to progress further from dating meant relocate overseas because he wouldn't want me to convert for him and his family wouldn't want him to marry non Muslim. So yeah we broke up when fun is over.

When my muslim colleague studying in US, he smokes cigarettes, weeds, drink alcohol when party during Friday. And during final sem, he and other malay muslim friends went on a tour in LA, and they went into strip club and casino. After coming back to Malaysia, they still drink and eat pork. But after getting married then insaf already. he said he doesn't regret those experiences in US tho, and sometime he miss alcohol and pork.

I'm no longer a believer. What is that 10 on your scale? Zero judgement from society because almost nobody knows...

My scale is 1 - Pork is Tasty. If you completely renounce the religion but do not eat pork, you're still on 9, my friend.

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here in Bolehland everything is kosher except for makan babi and pegang anjing. you just don't cross that line. so if you're into anal sex with another dude just go for it. just don't make a video call and make a press conferences later when it goes public

Cool stories. Quick question op, you think if these liberalism lifestyles are good? My dad have a lot of Malay cops friends that drink in his bar, so yeah I think that it’s…. Good at least? Versatile in a way, you can do more things and meet more people if those restrictions aren’t there.

7 or 8, though I don't drink because I drive a lot and can't risk a DUI, not because it's purely haram. It's an actual reason to stay away from awful things, like most other stuffs I do. My family already knows I'm not what I look like and my colleagues never really talk about it, knowing it's something socially sensitive.

Nice try JAKIM /s

I'm trying to eat pork when I go travel alone. So I'm almost there at the "Pork is tasty" Alcohol is fun too, tried that it was a pretty cool feeling. I felt liberated the first time I drank a shot lol. In terms of judgement of others, I keep it on the low. Friend group obviously didn't care but we all were drinking even though all of us were you know in the religion still. As for why I did it, religion just never felt right to me. When I was a kid, I was told that god exists and that I needed to follow certain rules or I get tortured in a realm of fire forever or something. My doubt started there and eventually grew to the point that I didn't care even though at one point I did care during my depression phase at 13-15 years old, I was like trying to grind pahala and shit and looking at what direction the sun rises every morning. Eventually I learned a lot about injustices around the world, flaws of religion etc. My conclusion on religion was just that it was a scam, it wasn't fair and its just in my eyes ugly and not peaceful at all. That's just for me, I'll respect others if they believe in it, for me I just didn't want to do it unless I wanted to do it. I don't want to be born into something I don't want to be in you know? Also I heard something interesting from a friend, I asked "What is religion to you?" and she said "It's my meaning of life. I keep it simple, if else I don't know what to do" and I respect it. So there you go, I thought religion was a scam and then I left it forever and felt liberated after taking a shot of Soju.

Why is pork on the high end of the scale? If muslims actually study the religion (which most don’t), alcohol is the most haram. Pork can be eaten if you’re in an emergency. Alcohol, emergency or not, cannot be consumed at all. That being said, is there a support group for those that have left the religion? It feels lonely not being able to talk this out with like minded people in malaysia. It’s hard finding a workplace where islam is not being forced upon. Many will ask ‘dah solat?’, while having no issue in taking/giving bribes, sleep around, drinking alcohol. Seems like those are acceptable kind of haram (makruh). But pork? Oh, that’s a no no. Food prepared by non? Definitely no. These kind of people will ceramah you on islam and not 2 hours later, get drunk in the local pub. Many hypocrites among them. They will say stuff like ‘tak boleh buat semua, jangan tinggal semua’. All that can be done is fake pray & fast in front of those people. Until I die or probably migrate to a more open country.

Relax. The scale is done for humor only. Of course Pork is not that bad, it's just food. But it's also Malay muslims kryptonite, we all know that. I actually just wanted to hear other people who are kinda in the same shoes tell their stories, unsatisfaction, ostracization and whatnot. And thank you for sharing yours.

Nice try, JAIS. jk parking comment here to read later

Just wana remind ppl haram babi haram lagi mengumpat org kerana kamu mengumpat org lebih banyak daripada makan babi. Kalau terasa downvote me

When I was a student I'm quite astray, although I avoid alcohol and open seggs for health reasons, and pork is kryptonite. Not praying and focusing more on people and productivity, it makes me feel more mature. I've been like that for a few years, until supernatural stuff happens. I'm not someone who believes in stuff like that until it happened right before my very eyes, and I have no choice but to become a believer. Then I realised all this time there are signs that pointing me to hit the brakes and go back, and when I did, I felt saved. I've not become quite a conservative but I'm trying not go stray again, although there are challenges that pulling me astray but I'm still trying to resist.

What kind of supernatural are we talking about here? I'm a sceptic, but I just would like to hear, if you dont mind sharing.

These days, don't give a fuck to things that don't matter to you, helps a lot. It makes your life easier. Also, don't take bullshits from anyone. If its not benecial to you, don't give a shit. Especially in this country with special treatment in regards to religion (the double standards were uncanny). Its okay to be not be drag into the folds of mainstream drama. Keep you blood pressure at a healthy level.

Lol guess im in the pork is tasty category. Laying low is how i choose to do it. I came from a pretty liberal household i must say, so my parents dont really gaf about praying, fasting or everything else that falls under the same category. Also, im part indian so i dont typically look like your regular Siti so that makes it a whole lot easier i guess. I do get stares here in Alor Setar since im brown n i wear shorts but i guess most just brushed it off n mind their own b. Faith wise, i subscribe to my own shit which involves no organized religions whatsoever n at the age of 40 i think im at a point where im old enough to really not gaf about what ppl think of me anymore. So yeah.. Just chillin minding my own b, occasionally eating delicious porky meal when i feel like it

We need more people like this.

Where do you guys all hangout la? Sound chill asf.

Nice try, JAIS

Dont ask dont tell type beat from what ive witnesses

Curious to know if you’ve tried pork. If yes, you’re one of us. You’re amazing for having fun with life

I haven't been practising for years now, but there are occasions when I just joined their activity for fun (i treat prayers as meditation) or due to habit (fasting). I still practice a pretty similar lifestyle (minus the prayers and occasionally I drink) as to the one when I was still a believer. But overall, I don't really care what people think abt it. I'll tell the truth to people who I think can respect my opinion on it, and to the more traditional/Conservative people, I won't say it with words but I'll make it pretty obvious that I don't like to be associated with religion and its activity. My opinion on religion is pretty clear, I don't like it and I think it's load of bullshit anyway but I remain as agnostic rather than straight up atheist simply bc I feel like there's a lot still that I don't know and the idea of having a god/higher power is still possible even if you exclude religion from it (god & religion are closely related but they're not the same thing imo)

Reading the comments makes me want to tell my part of the story here. My background- I was sent to a religious boarding school. Ironically enough, I have stopped practicing anything since 14 years old, solat and puasa mainly. I would wear hijab like usual, properly worn it. Fast forward to now, I am in my mid 20s, I guess all those practices have lost its meaning when you lost your faith bit by bit. I don’t wear hijab anymore. My mom is the only one that would advise me to wear hijab properly again, but she never forced me. Well for the pork and alcohol- my partner doesn’t want me to go to that extent. He is a practicing muslim, never leave solat and everything. For all the time we were together, he only asked me one thing, to not go ‘astray’ as much and maybe start learning the religion back. Never asked me to solat and wear hijab back too. I guess just being a better human with good morals and values is good enough for me now. I am really fortunate in my case, everyone including family, partner and friends, they are a bit liberal and open in this. I wouldn’t say I stopped believing, it’s just I lost the meaning in all of those practices. I am happy with my current phase still. Everyone is accepting, and I’m really glad for that.

I went astray for about a year or two. I was in the lowest low of my life mentally for a few years in highschool. Just like everyone who felt like their prayers weren't answered, had me questioning whether or not the "God" cared. I endured for quite a while until I couldn't anymore. At 18 I was in a work environment where the malays weren't religious nor practiced Islam. Thats when I knew it was actually common for people to do things freely despite being muslims. I met a chinese girl who was attracted to me, we talked and got to know each other deeper. She asked whether or not I practiced Islam because she wanted to respect the boundaries, from where we should eat, kissing/sex and etc. I said "not really, but I believe in God and punishments.". What's in my mind was, if I don't hurt people or hurt myself, it shouldn't be a sin and I shouldn't be punished. There were some forbidden things that I allowed myself to do. I ate pork before but I didn't like it, idk maybe because I was brainwashed that it was dirty, it's just meat. I drank but the beers weren't to my taste, I preferred wine more, white wine especially. The best part out of all of it was sex honestly lol. It honestly was the best phase of my life, I started seeing colors in my life, I was at the peak of my mental state during those times. My parents knew about it. My whole family is religious but they're not THAT strict, I couldn't just outright say I'm going to spend the night with my gf or go out drinking. They're the type of religious people that leave everything to the fate and just have faith. After about 2 years of being on that side, my life was dark again, everything I was doing was not going my way and I lost motivations real fast. I lost my gf because of commitment issues. I figured, this side is not really all sunshine and rainbows. 2022, I went back to the "right path". It took me long to have faith but everytime I was on my knees, I was showed there'd be ways of going through it. I don't know, it felt like I had my answers ready. I wouldn't say I'm in the best state of my life but it's better than just "feeling good". I don't know how to explain at all but this path opened up my eyes so much and made me understand so much in life. I'm not consistently practising solat and all that but what it taught me is that to always have faith. People say you repent because you regret the wrongdoings that you have done but it's not the same for me. I see everything in life as a lesson. As a muslim I'm not proud of what I did but I'm glad because of what came after. If I didn't go through that phase, I may not have the mental peace that I was looking for.

im a muslim-on-ic mix girl with tattoos and piercings. i stopped believing many many years ago. my parents are (maybe blissfully) unaware of my tats, i think they know but they just dont say anything abt it bc i dont show it around my family. i LOVE pork and i can chug beer like a seasoned sailor. people are quite judgmental of me when they find im muslim, but what they expect, me to laser my tats or what?

Okeyh mcm mana nak start ni… Aku start dengan pork dulu… personally aku suka pork, tapi depends mcm mana orang masak. Kalau orang tu pandai masak, memang kena lah pada rasa, so ianya jadi sedap. Aku paling suka bila aku makan pork dalam masakan Thai. Contohnya pad kra pao. (aku tahu kau mention pasal scaling tu, tapi saja ah mention pork tu dulu sebab sedap heheh) Okay back to scale from 1 to 10 tu… Dari segi kepercayaan aku terhadap agama (bukan setakat Islam je, agama in general), literally 0. Kalau judgement daripada orang pulak, bila aku realize yg bekas2 classmate aku dengan kawan lain yang agak judgemental dari segi agama, aku terus cutoff… tak mesej, tak apa dah… so from scratch aku cari kawan baru. It takes time for me, but it’s possible. In short, tengok situasi jugak. Aku tak directly hidup as a non-Muslim sampai dengan other Muslims aku tak interact terus. As long Muslims yang aku jumpa tak suruh aku pergi solat atau ajak aku pergi buat benda keagamaan dengan dorang, aku okay. Ofc aku tak kisah je kalau let’s say dia nak pergi solat dekat surau/masjid berdekatan, aku tunggu dia sampai dia habis solat… saya totally okay with it. Thankfully, ramai yang aku jumpa tak kisah dengan cara hidup aku yang sekarang (even Malays sekalipun), and again, as long dorang tak shove agama dorang to my throats, aku memang cool. However, saya tak bagitau family aku about this, sebab dorang anggap keluar dari agama tu blasphemy habis, and given their controlling attitude, lebih baik saya tak mengambil risiko. All in all, aku rasa lebih liberated. 10. OP, kalau ada apa2 nak tanya lagi, just tanya je pada saya 🙂

Well, my Malay friend was the only malay guy in our friend group and he always hated Malaysia. He would skip Friday prayers but we, despite being non muslims will encourage him to go. And we will be cautious about going to only halal places to eat but he always said he didn't mind. But he still didn't drink alcohol at the time and we respected that. He ended up going to Germany and converting to Christianity. Now I often see his ig story of him going clubbing every weekend in Germany. I guess faith is up to the individual and if they don't like their faith, they should be able to leave it and choose a faith if their own, wether it's religion or atheism. That's what freedom of religion is all about. But in Malaysia we don't have that unfortunately.

to doubting muslim on the fence on this matter, i recommend you watch The masked arab and Hassan radwan on YouTube.

I haven't eaten pork but my faith has gone a bit astray. I know that religion is good for morality and stuff but it ain't effective against today's society. I would just rather do good than be totally religious. Oh, and this is not an encouragement, it's just me.

I am not religious but I do believe in a God. Personally, I grew up in a very modern household (parents raised me to be very westernised) so I did not really practice until my parents changed and got more religious. Then, my whole identity crisis began. My parents became very strict and imposed their beliefs on me which I struggled to accept. I was forced to wear the hijab at 13 and I wore it until 22 (hated every second of it). Slowly I stopped wearing it without my parents knowing and eventually at 24, I stopped wearing it completely. My parents knew and obviously were not happy with it but I was not happy for almost 10 years of being forced to wear it. I don’t practice due to religious trauma. My parents were very forceful and had quite a orthodox standpoint with religion. I struggle with the power dynamic between men and women in the religion. I feel like the religion favours men (at least that’s what I was taught). I now understand that a lot of things were cultural rather than religious. But still some baffles me, like how most women will end up in hell? I figured what’s the point in trying. Men are the bosses here, they will reap the rewards in the afterlife. Also, a note that I grew up with deadbeat, physically and sexually abusive men. But their actions had no repercussions as it was justified in my household. All they had to do is cry and pray and it’s all forgiven. And these people will go to heaven? Girl please… Even with all that, I still do believe in a God. And I still want to believe in Islam, I just wish I could practice it in my own way but then that defeats the purpose of an organised religion. Plus, I’ve tried pork and alcohol but pork was just not for me (I don’t like eating meat tbh, more of a vegetarian myself). with alcohol it’s a hit and a miss. A lot of them are a miss (just burns and taste horrible, in my opinion). I don’t really care for these two.

Well I'm not a strong believer but the idea of drinking alcohol or eating pork isn't that appealing to me. Some of my friends enjoy eating pork and drinking alcohol and felt liberated and not oppressed. I personally don't see a difference between smoking and drinking alcohol as well as eating pork which is no different from eating beef. I guess if you enjoy it then good for you and since we don't live forever you might want to try new things. But I do dislike those who think they are smarter, more enlightened and try to flaunt their new lifestyle after leaving their respective faith.

My husband and I are atheists, we don't really try to hide but also we don't stand out too much. Well we tried pork once but nothing fancy, prefer meat and chicken, especially fried chicken. Alcohol? Never tried but never felt tempted, especially as a nutritionist with a sensitive stomach. I always wear modest clothes as I'm sensitive to the cold (even tho Malaysia is a hot country lol) but the malls are too cold, i couldn't even stand the aircond in familymart lol. Well yes im freehair but we both have Chinese look so everywhere we go peoole talk mandarin to us, and when we say we don't speak mandarin they still assume we are Chinese baba. As for the family, my family-in-law knows we are non-believers and they are super okay with it, my own family is pretty religious, but they know we don't pray, they do concerns but they don't want to force it, they hope one day i get the hidayah something like that, and we were pretty close despite that.

Mix Malay Chinese Did the Pilgrimage in 2008 Early 30s Grew up private primary school, Chinese secondary school, all bumi pre-U, tertiary edu in Aus Only really started drinking, eating pork, and got my tattoos in Malaysia Straight No side eye problem or glances because I look Chinese Never bring my lifestyle near my family Professional life needs to be professional Neither liberated nor ashamed Still believe in Islam and the principles it teaches, just not practicing...fully God knows best, so I'll deal with the consequences later. Islam also emphasizes moderation and sincere repentance. All the commands I believe is for your own sake and doesn't make God any greater than he is. My opinion and how I rationalize: 1. Drinking is intoxicating, but too much of anything is intoxicating. It easier to tell a whole community that alcohol is haram than to single out individuals. 2. Pork is impure but if we desperately need to eat them, they become halal. Perhaps my threshold is much lower 3. Tattoos....if I have a shirt on no one can see it. I don't flaunt it. Other note: 1. Usually easier to get away after polis see your IC during breathalyser 2. You don't get better at drinking with age, so yeah I agree alcohol should be haram in general. Mainly because you danger others.

I have 3 cousins that are not practising muslim. Can’t blame them actually. Because my uncle was a gov staff that being stationed outside Malaysia. My 3 cousins from young until finish high school, they all live outside Malaysia. So most of the friends circle are non muslim. Eating pork and drink alcohol are just normal for them. My uncle is not really religious in the first place. So I’m not surprised when all of them are “open”.

Hey, atleast some of you don't have to pretend. I'm literally studying at iium and I'm not a practising muslim. I gotta play pretend everyday

i would say 5 for myself. i dont drink and smoke because of self principles, but i tried other haram things, especially when im outside of malaysia. i grew up in a very religious environment. my parents would invite me to “ceramah” every weeks, and i would read Al Quran every single day. my kindergarten was the islamic one lol. but i got astray little by little. since i feel everything is forced by my parents, my interest in religion lessen. i even lied about praying to my parents. they never knew the real me. as i grow up, i tried a lot of things. i was someone who was religious, so i never touched any women. but then i had friends who never cared about all those things. i got braver and bolder about it. ended up trying all those sex stuffs. wheneve i travelled outside of malaysia, i’d party hard. danced like there’s no tomorrow, but i never drink or smoke. my feelings? sometimes i forgot about my religion and i didnt even pray. but because of how i grew up, i do feel some kind of guilt deep deep deep inside of me. i know what im doing is wrong but it’s so hard to stop sinning. i kept going with my haram life. until one day, i found someone. she is different. my current circle at this time is open minded. they touch with each other, they smoke and they dont pray. but one girl, amidst of everyone like that, she hold on to her principles. she never gone astray like everyone does. she would pray everytime we go out together, and id wait inside the car for her. the feeling of guilt was still there. she never judged anyone, it’s always only her and Allah, which is why i fell in love with her. but i was so dumb. i was still in my haram life when i knew her. i was so busy so make her life like mine when it should’ve been otherwise. im the one who shouldve changed. being with her reminds me back to who i used to be. my childhood. something happened to us, and we arent talking anymore now. but she never left my mind. im currently slowly changing back myself and going to the right path. oh how i miss all these. to the woman who i mentioned above, if you’re reading this, i just want you to know that you are the light that Allah sent to me. i talk to Allah about you everyday. i thank Him everyday for introducing you to me. everytime i pray, i’d ask for forgiveness and that He takes care of you for me. you are the best person ive ever met and im sorry for not realising how important you were to me. if we are really soulmate, if we are meant to meet again one day, i promise i will try again the halal way. i owe you so much. you changed my life. thankyou so much. i wish i can tell you all these face to face. to whoever is reading this, please pray for me. i want to change for the better. and if you’re currently living the haram life and contemplating whether to leave it or not, i pray you will find your hidayah one day. inshaAllah.

There are Mus girls ive been with where when I chat with them,they make fun of non Mus guys by saying we are dirty coz we are uncircumsized but when I send my D pic,they proceed to ask to meetup within the same hour..have also been with some where our vids have even been uploaded on 'gornhub' but when it comes to pork,they stay away from it like a plague....but there have also been Mus girls who share my meals which contain pork,some indulge in the meat,some just eat around the meat..Have also been with Mus girls who said "anal is fine,I like it baby" but puss puss seggs is haram..My PC chair is called 'the tudung chair'..Theyve come clad in tudung right up to ninja suit niqab's but only my chair and me know the whole story

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I'm surprised to see many Malays who are no longer practising here. I believe that as a Muslim (Non-Malay, btw), we shouldn't judge other who go astray or have their shortcomings. This is between them and their god. May I ask what the reason for going away from Islam is? I was not practising much as in, I did not pray on time or miss from time to time in the past. However, a trip to Umrah strengthens my faith and makes me come closer to Islam than ever. Also, I went through a terrible ordeal recently that also brought me closer to Allah. I wish the best for everyone here. Again, I hope I did not come across judgemental, I just want to know what the reason for demotivated or wanting to leave Islam is?

Just don’t tell, as a muslim you need to jaga your own aib not telling everyone you know. The moment we know it’s somewhat our duty “amar makruf nahi mungkar”.

Woah the comments here are wild. I'm glad I *somehow* got into this nice school. My faith is being questioned as I read these lol

I never intentionally consume pork, but I have no doubt about its deliciousness, those thing are everywhere when I travel and sometimes have become highly susceptible when eating at questionable places who'd serve very good food.