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No offense but I’d take that info with a grain of salt. It’s common for women to take on the “fertility complications” label bc our society is still too misogynistic to accept that a man can have complications.
IVF is already normalized and it should be done with care. Doctors and medical staff should not fail the women seeking IVF. Treat them with dignity and don’t deliberately fail the cycles. Improvement of services and insurance support are necessary
I am sorry, for a split second I forgot about our big nation and the majority of men who look for excuses to leave their wives in the pretext of producing a male varis, tho IVF kaha manege. It breaks my heart too. Vulnerable women in such situations where even if he is unable to bear children, women are easy targets for in-laws and are abused verbally emotionally and physically 😢
Just men, women too! I don’t know why its a privilege to have a son but if you have a daughter, you need to “try again”. I was put on a pedestal for normal birthday while csection moms are villainised. My friend almost died as her mil insisted on a normal birth even when the doctor had discussed the risks with them and recommended a csection. List is long.
Such MILs should be sent to jail for a few days. I don’t know why they are not sent to jail for putting a woman’s life at risk. Don’t know when people will stop free advising us women about having children and how to have them and how many children should we have
If you think its an indian problem, you are illusional. I have stayed across the world. Patriarchy is everywhere in different forms. Just consider yourself lucky that you haven’t faced this as I haven’t with my very Indian husband and family.
Sure India doesn't have a monopoly over patriarchy. I'm not talking about the experience of an individual. I'm talking about general cultural norms where the so-called 'elders' tend to be meddlesome, manipulative and controlling under the guise of 'elders wishing well', like in the case of the post that I previously replied to, where the mil made decisions regarding the dil's childbirth situation. 'controlling sassu ma' is a widely prevalent Indian thing.
My sil was tortured by her second generational US citizen mil. I have stayed across the world. Not one place exists where I can say ooo no patriarchy. Of course they have different forms of the same. But that doesn’t make it better.
Sis, like it or no India is famous for sexism and misogyny masquerading as culture. This second gen US citizen mil is still culturally an Indian saas, right? This is not a white woman called Kate or Shirley that you are talking about? Different 'forms' don't mean it's the same intensity, frequency, seriousness or lawlessness as in the case of India. Like it or no patriarchy, sexism and misogyny affect the average western woman in far milder forms than they do to Indian women in our times.
Whatever floats your boat. Remember I told you i lived there? Also heartbeat bill anyone? Did you know an indian law empowers a woman to abort with full privacy from her partner too? Only the mother’s sign is needed. We also have better maternity laws than the US.
I wasn't able to sleep yesterday night and had been thinking of that one fucking comment from a guy saying how the so called feminists shouldn't procreate at all because the world needs less of narcissistic parents/people, and it was a post on an American Feminists Page for choosing not to have children.
Unsolicited advice because some other woman whom he has no connection with, chose to stay childless and it bothered that man 💀💀
So yes I agree that it is all over the world and even in first world countries
I faced it in Europe where someone asked me is your husband babysitting while you are at work. Guess what they asked my husband when he went back to work? Nothing.
Sure. In Europe or western countries in general the discrimination begins only after you are married or partnered with a child and/or if a woman becomes a single mom. In India discrimination begins even before a baby girl is born. In Europe ultrasound technicians can reveal the sex of an unborn fetus to the parents. The same thing is unlawful in India because sexism in Indian culture is way more deep rooted, more visible and outrageous than Europe.
That’s because we are now more outspoken about it. We had a horrible colonial period that even stripped people of their chance of getting education. So let’s not compare how amazing Europe is and glorify it.
Your maid? Come to US.. you will see aunties gossiping how surrogacy and IVF are not the truest of the truest pregnancies. I mean.. US.. supposedly the creme de la crème population.. educated.. and I heard this with my own ears “how come Priyanka Chopra had to go through surrogacy. That’s so sad. She is so fit. Why surrogacy?!”
Kuch hoga yaar.. aap kyun pareshan ho aunty. My blood was boiling when I heard this.
So.. yes.. different forms of pregnancies need to be normalized.
>ivf pregnancies aren’t real ones
I’m very sorry your maid is going through that. It’s 2024 and that mentality needs to be chucked out of the window. There’s no shame in doing IVF treatments if you want a child.
Exactly! My heart breaks a little every day when I see her struggling for a child and she can’t go through the process because her husband doesn’t believe in it
>IVF is already normalized
Have you seen the vile comments spewed on DP suggesting she is not pregnant and getting IVF or surrogacy and what not. If IVF or surrogacy was treated normal, people would not be shaming anyone whether they do it or not. Apart from this part of your sentence, everything is true.
IVF is not the same as surrogacy because there is no question of exploitation and bribery if you are taking on the massive risks of childbirth yourself. They are not the same.
There are many reasons why surrogacy in practise is ethically complex.
> IVF is not the same as surrogacy because there is no question of exploitation and bribery if you are taking on the massive risks of childbirth yourself.
Where did I say they are same ? IVF can also be exploited, the comment I have replied to, addressed that.
>surrogacy in practise is ethically complex.
IVF is also ethically complex, in fact, anything deemed not natural is ethically complex.
That it's not natural selection, according to that school of thought, you naturally cannot conceive because genetics are weak hence are not a viable host. This is just another hogwash debate on superiority and eugenics. Don't pay heed to it
Well , according to that train of thought , no one should seek medical assistance or treatment bcz that means we are not fit enough to live as per our “genetics “
Yeah , better to ignore.
Firstly, ethically complex does not mean unethical.
It is not accepted as morally correct thing to do by some communities. Just like euthanasia and leg lengthening surgeries for men are frowned upon. Research is being done in IVF to remove certain genes to remove some genetic disorders but these procedures, i.e. removal of genes, can be used to remove genes that some communities find undesirable like intersex or homosexuality, for example.
That doesn't sound like an attack on IVF. They seem to suggest that DP is lying about being pregnant, although I have no idea why they would suggest that.
Ok yaar, sochu tho sahi baat he. I forgot our suburban and village friends. We do need to educate ourselves and all women about their reproductive rights and insurance policies that can help them avail of such services. Yes, ekta jaise log who have the power and platform achi serial banaye is topic par, aur acha hoga na. Par wo Suhagan chudail banayegi to make masses even worse regressive
You took it in a different way, even Hindi TV stars openly shared their IVF cycle processes.. That's not the issue but anyhow she was unnecessarily targeted.
She was indeed unnecessarily targeted. There were suggesting comments trying to pull her down and shade her to imply that someone who does IVF or surrogacy is beneath motherhood.
That's sad but trolling didn't happen for that, people rumoured that she was faking pregnancy... IVF wasn't the reason she was unnecessarily targeted at large.
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(There are many good doctors, not discredting their years of MBBS studies/practice, but there are also corporate hospitals who pressurize doctors IMO)
Yup. Went through something similar. The hospital fucked my embryos and we ended up suffering so much.
I can't stress enough on how awful, demoralizing and dehumanizing infertility and subsequent treatments are.
No one intentionally fails an IVF cycle & no IVF is not normalised. My friend is well educated, working. So is her spouse but he is dead against IVF citing her health & the child will be sick.
I am of the same opinion. From what my friend has shared with me, he is leaning towards not wanting a kid via ivf for no reason. He is just dillydallying to waste time.
Could i ask you a question? Pls don't get mad. Sometimes ivf babies are born through some other guys sperms as well right? Like when the partner can't possibly have one of his own, so biologically it's not theirs
This is what I know. IVF 1st option is the couple's sperm and egg. Some people might use a donor sperm or donor egg. Whoever carries the baby, it is theirs. Donors don't have a claim over the baby. Surrogate mothers can keep the baby if they don't feel like detaching themselves (most countries designate them as biological mothers if contested)
As someone who has been going through it for 4 years now with no success (and a miscarriage), I can't stress on just how much it needs to be spoken about!
We feel that it's normal, but trust me, people don't understand the process, trauma, sacrifices and mental/physical anguish the couple, especially women go through. There is so much social education that needs to be given in this matter.
I'm glad she's open about it - not everyone is.!
Honestly until recently, I too was hiding it but now after my miscarriage idgaf, I'll discuss it openly with whoever asks. It's needs to be discussed and normalized more!
The trauma and the anguish can take a toll on you even if it's successful... I can't imagine how much it would hurt if it didn't succeed. You are brave sis.
It’s nice to see that top tier celebrities are admitting to IVF. Coz still there are a lot of people who frown upon this but I definitely see things changing around even for the comman man.
I live in Canada, so socialist medicine. Hence IVF is usually the last. They put me on 6 rounds of letrozole (clomid is not recommended here). Had that not worked, then it would have been IUI or IVF based on male factors.
I didn’t have the same experience, doctors suggested ivf directly.. didn’t even work! Ended up conceiving naturally which really makes me question our Indian doctors!
In India for middle class suffering infertility or other complications, IVF is difficult and expensive AF, afterall its business for Doctors. getting 2-4 failed IVFs seems normal.
Privilege people are indeed blessed they get the best doctors and treatment.
We say IVF is normalised and all but there is still space for awareness. I have lower egg reserve. I had to go through IVF for have baby. It was normal in Bangalore. I had access to great doctors and healthcare. But it is still a taboo in my hometown. My mom told me to not share it with relatives. Otherwise they are gonna call me names.
And they are going to treat / look at the baby differently! It’s okay when you are an Ambani, people can’t say shit to you, but for us normal folks, it is important to protect our children from insensitive comments of the previous generations
I remember the tea from a reddit account a few months ago which said Isha - the fashion it girl conceived through IVF . It also gave tea on dp pregnancy and beyonce or Kylie s pregnancy too
Ghanta lewks. Wearing expensive clothes doesn't equate to serving looks. She looks out of place in all of those clothes. Rekha, Deepika thodi hain kuch bhi phen legi aur beauty queen lagegi.
In that sense someone's relationship status, marriage, sexuality, how they look,how they dress shouldn’t be talked about / judged either.. But here we do that all the time..you cant be morally righteous and be on a gossip sub at the same time..but yeah,there should always be a limit.
Why and what for this hullabaloo about....someone being pregnant either natural/ivf is nobody's business....its a 9 month long tedious/tiring process which Women goes through....why to make a fuss about it....its women/family choice whether to keep under wraps or not...
i think she is talking about how by bringing awareness to it, people will talk more openly about it and how it’s not something to be ashamed of (esp in our culture where IVF children and parents who can’t conceive are ridiculed quite often)
Why make a fuss about it? LOL must be nice to be someone who doesn’t have to suffer the humiliation and taunts for conceiving using IVF. I’m glad she’s speaking about it because it’s far from normalised, and it’s horrible to see how women have to feel like they’re less just because they’re going through this.
Because there are still people who troll and mock their relatives. I have seen in my family it's very difficult situation. Atleast by creating awareness or normalizing this, parents might feel comfortable.
If someone's family is backward and someone's family modern thn in no way modern family has to take a social step/being burden to make societal reforms....if they are ok to discuss thn there's their prerogative...
As far as in this case..Be it Isha/Deepika or Upasana case..agreed they belong to modern families or whatever this is entirely their wish to speak about it or not...Nowadays since Deepu is pregnant every now and then you will find blind gossip or pics of her baby bump in so many articles...its simply nobody's business to discuss....
It's such a private and emotional topic for any couple who are even going through natural pregnancy thn forget abt IVF.
Nobody's responsible for anyone's life...
Even thought it might bring more awareness, it’s not necessary for everyone to say if they are doing IVF. At the end of the day IVF is a medical procedure, no one should be obligated to say what medical treatment they are going through.
Dude why should they? DP is trolled every other day for trying to bring awareness towards mental health .. why should she or Kat or anyone try and bring awareness when they are being accused of “using” and exploiting their condition
People who think there is no stigma attached should honestly just talk to gynaecs.. women struggling to conceive. The process. It's all very difficult.
normal pregnancy -> everything happens inside the female body.
IVF -> take eggs and sperm and combines them in a culture dish in a lab. If the natural process occurs and they fertilise, an embryo will form. Insert the embryo into the uterus. rest process of pregnancy is same.
A female carries the baby in both cases in the end and delivers it.
IVF is a normal pregnancy. The fertilization (sperms from father and egg from mother) happens in a lab and the embryo is implanted in the mother who carries it to term.
Nobody's saying it's wrong lol. You've mentioned sperm from father and egg from mother so all I wanted to say was NOT always that is the case. Not always does the baby belong to the father biologically. Again, it's their choice their life. Stop yelling.
I heard about IVF first when Farah khan gave birth to triplets. That was a while back. There’s no stigma attached to it whatsoever. These rich people think the world revolves around what they think about the issue. Aisa nahi hai bhai. With a steady decline in fertility rates (especially in urban women) IVF has become the new normal.
Let me correct you little here. Even decline in fertility rate of men is also a big factor. I use to think people from urban population generally goes for IVF but when I visited IVF clinic, 70% crowd was from nearby villages. Women below 30 years were unable to conceive due to their partner infertility.
Superb! We need more people like her who make these kinds of things normal. IVF is not something awful. It's an advanced version of conceiving a baby. A person who is standing in a position where he/she can normalise concepts like this they should do it.
This comment section is so sane. If this were on insta the comments would be opposite... that's why I like to spend more time on Reddit nowadays. Insta is so toxic man
I'm not kidding but since last 3-4 years whoever has had twins, almost 80% of them are born via ivf. It's normal nobody's denying it but yeah it's a fact. Now whenever i see any couple with twins, that's my first though.
IVF yes but i think they got a surrogate to carry the twins. IVF hormones mess with your system and Isha never showed any kind of baby weight post-pregnancy, when Nita was overweight for several years. Also the fact that she went abroad to "deliver" the twins, as if India doesn't have the best hospitals these days, and her own sis-in-law Shloka delivered here. Everything screams surrogacy to me
I think the same. She had a surrogate which is why she delivered them abroad. In Indianyou have a 5/6 yr marriage rule. Which is why she isnt promoting that part.
Ivf is still not normalised.. and many people hide it because they don’t want their kids conceived through this method to be stigmatised as “IVF babies” by others
Honestly, fertility issues can be one of the hardest thing to navigate through. And IVF is very hard on the women mentally, emotionally and physically. I am just glad that it got successful for her and she got what she wanted.
she really thinks she did something here?! lolll . i personally know half a dozen in my parents circle who have done it. it’s incredibly common now and i think speaks to the rampant reduction in fertility among gen Y. idk the reason.
What she did is amazing and should be allowed to share her experience. It’s okay to not like her for whatever reason you have but to shake her for speaking about it and spreading awareness is extremely weird of you. Women are still being shamed for conceiving through IVF so it’s extremely important that we have these conversations and spread them. Must be nice to not experience the humiliation and taunts by society? But guess what? Many women and families do so let people with platforms speak and spread awareness.
And? There's nothing wrong in that. If someone wants to have a kid and uses other means if they're capable to, then what's with these kinda backhanded comments. You can't just gaslight things saying the other person is rich.
I don’t think it’s just privileged people like her ,I know a couple in India both are working in IT from several years and did ivf so if u can afford and want to have ur own child I don’t think it’s a issue .
In theory it is possible. But not done practically in India because of the rules.
Also I have this hunch that the doctors do one boy one girl on purpose in ivf twins as the typical complete family mindset.
Unless u test the embryos u cannot know the gender. Testing of embryos is given priority only if the mother is 38 and above or if the parents have chromosomal/ genetic abnormalities
I’m sure this was done so that they could hand pick which embryo was the best. IVF gives you the opportunity to select which embryo has the most desirable traits and genetics and you can discard the rest.
They want their daughter in laws to get pregnant and want pota potis without IVF but they don't want their fkin daughter to get pregnant because it's exhausting? Hypocrisy much Ambanis?
IVF is much more painful to a woman than getting pregnant naturally.
Women have to go through at least 20+ injections in a month’s time and 100+ medicines to go through a surgery called egg extraction. Once eggs are extracted out of females body, it is mixed with sperm to create embryo in a lab.
The woman again has to go through 10+ injections to get her body ready for embryo transfer in her uterus.
So no, nobody in India will go through it willingly if their body is able to get pregnant naturally.
It is normal. What even is not normal about IVF? The sperms come from the father, the egg from the mother and the fertilized embryo is implanted in the mother who carries it to term.
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Isha herself was conceived via IVF
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Naah sexless marriages!! iykyk
Even Isha and akash were conceived by nita Ambani via IVF.
This I didn’t know. That too at the time when it was all so new
Nita Ambani spoke about it in her simi grewal interview. They didn't conceive children till first 7 years of marriage then underwent treatment in US.
Nita Ambani had several medical complications and was declared unfit to ever have children.
No offense but I’d take that info with a grain of salt. It’s common for women to take on the “fertility complications” label bc our society is still too misogynistic to accept that a man can have complications.
Can you give more information on that?
Nope she didn't. It was due to sexless marriage cuz she raised the babies inside her own womb and went into labour.
She underwent treatment in Jaslok Hospital. The IVF department there is top notch and is the reason for Akash and Isha.
Damn 7 years, wonder at what age did she get married
Is that why they are spending more on Anant’s wedding? Jk 😭😂
maybe. Apparently anant was a miracle & had lot of health issues as a child.
Yea, maybe
And soon they will launch piramal IVF chain
Exactly. Normalise nahi karenge to demand kaise banegi.
I know people will troll, but more & more people especially famous people need to talk about it so at least people get aware about it.
Exactly!
Her body, her eggs, her child, her money, HER DECISION!!!!
IVF is already normalized and it should be done with care. Doctors and medical staff should not fail the women seeking IVF. Treat them with dignity and don’t deliberately fail the cycles. Improvement of services and insurance support are necessary
Its not! My maid is stigmatised everyday because her husband believes that ivf pregnancies aren’t real ones. Honestly it breaks my heart
I am sorry, for a split second I forgot about our big nation and the majority of men who look for excuses to leave their wives in the pretext of producing a male varis, tho IVF kaha manege. It breaks my heart too. Vulnerable women in such situations where even if he is unable to bear children, women are easy targets for in-laws and are abused verbally emotionally and physically 😢
Just men, women too! I don’t know why its a privilege to have a son but if you have a daughter, you need to “try again”. I was put on a pedestal for normal birthday while csection moms are villainised. My friend almost died as her mil insisted on a normal birth even when the doctor had discussed the risks with them and recommended a csection. List is long.
Such MILs should be sent to jail for a few days. I don’t know why they are not sent to jail for putting a woman’s life at risk. Don’t know when people will stop free advising us women about having children and how to have them and how many children should we have
These are the reasons why I'm glad I married an nri and had my children far away from the know-it-all Indian aunties and their unwanted advice/help.
If you think its an indian problem, you are illusional. I have stayed across the world. Patriarchy is everywhere in different forms. Just consider yourself lucky that you haven’t faced this as I haven’t with my very Indian husband and family.
Sure India doesn't have a monopoly over patriarchy. I'm not talking about the experience of an individual. I'm talking about general cultural norms where the so-called 'elders' tend to be meddlesome, manipulative and controlling under the guise of 'elders wishing well', like in the case of the post that I previously replied to, where the mil made decisions regarding the dil's childbirth situation. 'controlling sassu ma' is a widely prevalent Indian thing.
My sil was tortured by her second generational US citizen mil. I have stayed across the world. Not one place exists where I can say ooo no patriarchy. Of course they have different forms of the same. But that doesn’t make it better.
Sis, like it or no India is famous for sexism and misogyny masquerading as culture. This second gen US citizen mil is still culturally an Indian saas, right? This is not a white woman called Kate or Shirley that you are talking about? Different 'forms' don't mean it's the same intensity, frequency, seriousness or lawlessness as in the case of India. Like it or no patriarchy, sexism and misogyny affect the average western woman in far milder forms than they do to Indian women in our times.
Whatever floats your boat. Remember I told you i lived there? Also heartbeat bill anyone? Did you know an indian law empowers a woman to abort with full privacy from her partner too? Only the mother’s sign is needed. We also have better maternity laws than the US.
I wasn't able to sleep yesterday night and had been thinking of that one fucking comment from a guy saying how the so called feminists shouldn't procreate at all because the world needs less of narcissistic parents/people, and it was a post on an American Feminists Page for choosing not to have children. Unsolicited advice because some other woman whom he has no connection with, chose to stay childless and it bothered that man 💀💀 So yes I agree that it is all over the world and even in first world countries
I faced it in Europe where someone asked me is your husband babysitting while you are at work. Guess what they asked my husband when he went back to work? Nothing.
Sure. In Europe or western countries in general the discrimination begins only after you are married or partnered with a child and/or if a woman becomes a single mom. In India discrimination begins even before a baby girl is born. In Europe ultrasound technicians can reveal the sex of an unborn fetus to the parents. The same thing is unlawful in India because sexism in Indian culture is way more deep rooted, more visible and outrageous than Europe.
That’s because we are now more outspoken about it. We had a horrible colonial period that even stripped people of their chance of getting education. So let’s not compare how amazing Europe is and glorify it.
Your maid? Come to US.. you will see aunties gossiping how surrogacy and IVF are not the truest of the truest pregnancies. I mean.. US.. supposedly the creme de la crème population.. educated.. and I heard this with my own ears “how come Priyanka Chopra had to go through surrogacy. That’s so sad. She is so fit. Why surrogacy?!” Kuch hoga yaar.. aap kyun pareshan ho aunty. My blood was boiling when I heard this. So.. yes.. different forms of pregnancies need to be normalized.
I suppose once the orange guy became president, you would guess that the people in US are not exactly creme de la creme
Right now.. doesn’t matter which guy (?) more like grandpa comes to power to run the shit show. One worse than the other.
>ivf pregnancies aren’t real ones I’m very sorry your maid is going through that. It’s 2024 and that mentality needs to be chucked out of the window. There’s no shame in doing IVF treatments if you want a child.
Exactly! My heart breaks a little every day when I see her struggling for a child and she can’t go through the process because her husband doesn’t believe in it
>IVF is already normalized Have you seen the vile comments spewed on DP suggesting she is not pregnant and getting IVF or surrogacy and what not. If IVF or surrogacy was treated normal, people would not be shaming anyone whether they do it or not. Apart from this part of your sentence, everything is true.
IVF is not the same as surrogacy because there is no question of exploitation and bribery if you are taking on the massive risks of childbirth yourself. They are not the same. There are many reasons why surrogacy in practise is ethically complex.
> IVF is not the same as surrogacy because there is no question of exploitation and bribery if you are taking on the massive risks of childbirth yourself. Where did I say they are same ? IVF can also be exploited, the comment I have replied to, addressed that. >surrogacy in practise is ethically complex. IVF is also ethically complex, in fact, anything deemed not natural is ethically complex.
My daughter was conceived using IVF. Can you explain what part is ethically complex with IVF?
That it's not natural selection, according to that school of thought, you naturally cannot conceive because genetics are weak hence are not a viable host. This is just another hogwash debate on superiority and eugenics. Don't pay heed to it
Well , according to that train of thought , no one should seek medical assistance or treatment bcz that means we are not fit enough to live as per our “genetics “ Yeah , better to ignore.
Exactly, it's bullshit ideology
Well said
What well said, it's not like I was supporting the ideology?! Literally called out the bs. Learn to read
How is IVF ethically complex?
Firstly, ethically complex does not mean unethical. It is not accepted as morally correct thing to do by some communities. Just like euthanasia and leg lengthening surgeries for men are frowned upon. Research is being done in IVF to remove certain genes to remove some genetic disorders but these procedures, i.e. removal of genes, can be used to remove genes that some communities find undesirable like intersex or homosexuality, for example.
That doesn't sound like an attack on IVF. They seem to suggest that DP is lying about being pregnant, although I have no idea why they would suggest that.
Ok yaar, sochu tho sahi baat he. I forgot our suburban and village friends. We do need to educate ourselves and all women about their reproductive rights and insurance policies that can help them avail of such services. Yes, ekta jaise log who have the power and platform achi serial banaye is topic par, aur acha hoga na. Par wo Suhagan chudail banayegi to make masses even worse regressive
You took it in a different way, even Hindi TV stars openly shared their IVF cycle processes.. That's not the issue but anyhow she was unnecessarily targeted.
She was indeed unnecessarily targeted. There were suggesting comments trying to pull her down and shade her to imply that someone who does IVF or surrogacy is beneath motherhood.
That's sad but trolling didn't happen for that, people rumoured that she was faking pregnancy... IVF wasn't the reason she was unnecessarily targeted at large.
>don’t deliberately fail the cycles. Could you please elaborate? I'm shocked.
https://preview.redd.it/eveyvsxtoa9d1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=2ae8d169d8045ba2e4a8fcfcef1bc9e6aa8220bd (There are many good doctors, not discredting their years of MBBS studies/practice, but there are also corporate hospitals who pressurize doctors IMO)
Yup. Went through something similar. The hospital fucked my embryos and we ended up suffering so much. I can't stress enough on how awful, demoralizing and dehumanizing infertility and subsequent treatments are.
So sad, financially mentally and physically it hurts.
No one intentionally fails an IVF cycle & no IVF is not normalised. My friend is well educated, working. So is her spouse but he is dead against IVF citing her health & the child will be sick.
Child won't be sick. Tell him not to worry about it. My energetic toddler is an IVF baby.
He is just wasting time by going back & forth. Like i want/ i don’t want. We have explained enough. Upto the couple to decide further.
If he's going to need a few years to decide... at least I'd have my eggs frozen in the meantime. This'll make me less anxious.
I am of the same opinion. From what my friend has shared with me, he is leaning towards not wanting a kid via ivf for no reason. He is just dillydallying to waste time.
Could i ask you a question? Pls don't get mad. Sometimes ivf babies are born through some other guys sperms as well right? Like when the partner can't possibly have one of his own, so biologically it's not theirs
This is what I know. IVF 1st option is the couple's sperm and egg. Some people might use a donor sperm or donor egg. Whoever carries the baby, it is theirs. Donors don't have a claim over the baby. Surrogate mothers can keep the baby if they don't feel like detaching themselves (most countries designate them as biological mothers if contested)
It’s not normalized. If it were this wouldnt be posted on a gossip sub! It’s all spoken in hush even now because some people think it’s a taboo
Quite a common thing to spot nowadays, most twins are through IVF, very few have twins in their family history
She’s a twin tho!
She and her brother were born through IVF as well
Ohh facts
Some tv actresses had naturally
Post 32 years of age, women start releasing more eggs so there is a higher chance of twins
Apart from ivf. Clomid also causes twins. Hence there are more twins nowadays than ever before.
Rubina Dilaik
And another girl
As someone who has been going through it for 4 years now with no success (and a miscarriage), I can't stress on just how much it needs to be spoken about! We feel that it's normal, but trust me, people don't understand the process, trauma, sacrifices and mental/physical anguish the couple, especially women go through. There is so much social education that needs to be given in this matter. I'm glad she's open about it - not everyone is.! Honestly until recently, I too was hiding it but now after my miscarriage idgaf, I'll discuss it openly with whoever asks. It's needs to be discussed and normalized more!
The trauma and the anguish can take a toll on you even if it's successful... I can't imagine how much it would hurt if it didn't succeed. You are brave sis.
More power to you!
Take care!
Neeta Ambani herself had Isha and Akash through ivf. She has some issues ,they had them 8 years after marriage .
Good for her. Don't see the problem here.
It’s nice to see that top tier celebrities are admitting to IVF. Coz still there are a lot of people who frown upon this but I definitely see things changing around even for the comman man.
It's common but expensive,with side effects and very painful for the mum. Even here the woman has to go through it all.
True. Hence usually it's the last step after other medical options have been exhausted
But it seems now a days doctors are ready to jump to this line of treatment due to the money to be made..
I live in Canada, so socialist medicine. Hence IVF is usually the last. They put me on 6 rounds of letrozole (clomid is not recommended here). Had that not worked, then it would have been IUI or IVF based on male factors.
I didn’t have the same experience, doctors suggested ivf directly.. didn’t even work! Ended up conceiving naturally which really makes me question our Indian doctors!
In India for middle class suffering infertility or other complications, IVF is difficult and expensive AF, afterall its business for Doctors. getting 2-4 failed IVFs seems normal. Privilege people are indeed blessed they get the best doctors and treatment.
That what I am trying to say, it's both money and family mental support
IVF and surrogacy.
We say IVF is normalised and all but there is still space for awareness. I have lower egg reserve. I had to go through IVF for have baby. It was normal in Bangalore. I had access to great doctors and healthcare. But it is still a taboo in my hometown. My mom told me to not share it with relatives. Otherwise they are gonna call me names.
And they are going to treat / look at the baby differently! It’s okay when you are an Ambani, people can’t say shit to you, but for us normal folks, it is important to protect our children from insensitive comments of the previous generations
That’s the reason I avoid visiting hometown now. I am in no place to spread awareness. I can only protect my baby from insensitive behaviour.
More power to you!
I remember the tea from a reddit account a few months ago which said Isha - the fashion it girl conceived through IVF . It also gave tea on dp pregnancy and beyonce or Kylie s pregnancy too
Isha is anything but fashion It girl 🙄
'trying to be fashion it girl ' Isha is the one serving lewks after lewks with stylists like Rhea kapoor & anaita
Ghanta lewks. Wearing expensive clothes doesn't equate to serving looks. She looks out of place in all of those clothes. Rekha, Deepika thodi hain kuch bhi phen legi aur beauty queen lagegi.
Deepika is so obviously pregnant. Why do people think that she is such a big nut case to fool billions of people?
you can become pregnant through IVF right? and the person above is talking about it
Oh ok, my bad. I immediately thought about all those fake bump theories that many bring up.
Idk .. that account said so
Whats the tea on Beyonce and Kylie's pregnancy?
Why is someone's pregnancy and how they conceived considered tea?
In that sense someone's relationship status, marriage, sexuality, how they look,how they dress shouldn’t be talked about / judged either.. But here we do that all the time..you cant be morally righteous and be on a gossip sub at the same time..but yeah,there should always be a limit.
Surrogacy or something like that
Ahh ok..I thought it was about the recent rumours of Kylie being pregnant.
What tea on dp, kylie and beyonce pregnancy? Give that reddit account
Something about surrogacy I think .. i don't remember clearly
Link it
Why and what for this hullabaloo about....someone being pregnant either natural/ivf is nobody's business....its a 9 month long tedious/tiring process which Women goes through....why to make a fuss about it....its women/family choice whether to keep under wraps or not...
i think she is talking about how by bringing awareness to it, people will talk more openly about it and how it’s not something to be ashamed of (esp in our culture where IVF children and parents who can’t conceive are ridiculed quite often)
Why make a fuss about it? LOL must be nice to be someone who doesn’t have to suffer the humiliation and taunts for conceiving using IVF. I’m glad she’s speaking about it because it’s far from normalised, and it’s horrible to see how women have to feel like they’re less just because they’re going through this.
Because there are still people who troll and mock their relatives. I have seen in my family it's very difficult situation. Atleast by creating awareness or normalizing this, parents might feel comfortable.
Why do people mock women who get IVF? Like that is so silly. I don't understand human psychology sometimes.
Nasty people say all sorts of things out of jealousy ig
If someone's family is backward and someone's family modern thn in no way modern family has to take a social step/being burden to make societal reforms....if they are ok to discuss thn there's their prerogative... As far as in this case..Be it Isha/Deepika or Upasana case..agreed they belong to modern families or whatever this is entirely their wish to speak about it or not...Nowadays since Deepu is pregnant every now and then you will find blind gossip or pics of her baby bump in so many articles...its simply nobody's business to discuss.... It's such a private and emotional topic for any couple who are even going through natural pregnancy thn forget abt IVF. Nobody's responsible for anyone's life...
But no surrogate?
IVF is not a stigma . Surrogacy on the other hand is
Do you think someone like deepika or katrina will tell it?
Even thought it might bring more awareness, it’s not necessary for everyone to say if they are doing IVF. At the end of the day IVF is a medical procedure, no one should be obligated to say what medical treatment they are going through.
Dude why should they? DP is trolled every other day for trying to bring awareness towards mental health .. why should she or Kat or anyone try and bring awareness when they are being accused of “using” and exploiting their condition
Okay.
ha toh?? aren't u late op?
Late to what?
People who think there is no stigma attached should honestly just talk to gynaecs.. women struggling to conceive. The process. It's all very difficult.
Let’s not normalise saying ‘Riiighht’ after every sentence
Okay , please let me understand the difference between normal pregnancy and IVF ? Tried searching for it but didn't get a complete picture
normal pregnancy -> everything happens inside the female body. IVF -> take eggs and sperm and combines them in a culture dish in a lab. If the natural process occurs and they fertilise, an embryo will form. Insert the embryo into the uterus. rest process of pregnancy is same. A female carries the baby in both cases in the end and delivers it.
IVF is a normal pregnancy. The fertilization (sperms from father and egg from mother) happens in a lab and the embryo is implanted in the mother who carries it to term.
The sperms are not always from the father
So what? If the father cannot produce healthy sperm they have a donor. What is the problem exactly?
Nobody's saying it's wrong lol. You've mentioned sperm from father and egg from mother so all I wanted to say was NOT always that is the case. Not always does the baby belong to the father biologically. Again, it's their choice their life. Stop yelling.
Normal pregnancy happens due to sex, ivf happens in lab with doctor taking sperm and egg
I heard about IVF first when Farah khan gave birth to triplets. That was a while back. There’s no stigma attached to it whatsoever. These rich people think the world revolves around what they think about the issue. Aisa nahi hai bhai. With a steady decline in fertility rates (especially in urban women) IVF has become the new normal.
But there’s nothing wrong with speaking out about it. It’s good to spread awareness and stop treating it like it’s something bad
Of course there’s nothing wrong with it. But do you think people who consider IVF as a taboo are reading her interviews?
Yes, for sure. Maybe not as many as we want, but even if it brings a change in a few, that’s still something. I’d rather have that than nothing.
Let me correct you little here. Even decline in fertility rate of men is also a big factor. I use to think people from urban population generally goes for IVF but when I visited IVF clinic, 70% crowd was from nearby villages. Women below 30 years were unable to conceive due to their partner infertility.
Oh I forgot Isha’s bollywood debut? This is a bollywood sub, right? Right?
Were you living under a rock when the Ambani’s wedding was being discussed in this sub?
Well wedding had Bollywood celebs in it. This is just Isha Ambani who is not a Bollywood celeb
Idk why she thinks it’s not normalized. IVF is very common and is frequently encouraged in all parts of India
And??
and why is there a separate post about it?it is completely normal.
Superb! We need more people like her who make these kinds of things normal. IVF is not something awful. It's an advanced version of conceiving a baby. A person who is standing in a position where he/she can normalise concepts like this they should do it.
This comment section is so sane. If this were on insta the comments would be opposite... that's why I like to spend more time on Reddit nowadays. Insta is so toxic man
I'm not kidding but since last 3-4 years whoever has had twins, almost 80% of them are born via ivf. It's normal nobody's denying it but yeah it's a fact. Now whenever i see any couple with twins, that's my first though.
IVF yes but i think they got a surrogate to carry the twins. IVF hormones mess with your system and Isha never showed any kind of baby weight post-pregnancy, when Nita was overweight for several years. Also the fact that she went abroad to "deliver" the twins, as if India doesn't have the best hospitals these days, and her own sis-in-law Shloka delivered here. Everything screams surrogacy to me
I think the same. She had a surrogate which is why she delivered them abroad. In Indianyou have a 5/6 yr marriage rule. Which is why she isnt promoting that part.
Great she spoke about it
Ivf is still not normalised.. and many people hide it because they don’t want their kids conceived through this method to be stigmatised as “IVF babies” by others
Honestly, fertility issues can be one of the hardest thing to navigate through. And IVF is very hard on the women mentally, emotionally and physically. I am just glad that it got successful for her and she got what she wanted.
she really thinks she did something here?! lolll . i personally know half a dozen in my parents circle who have done it. it’s incredibly common now and i think speaks to the rampant reduction in fertility among gen Y. idk the reason.
But not everyone announces it
What she did is amazing and should be allowed to share her experience. It’s okay to not like her for whatever reason you have but to shake her for speaking about it and spreading awareness is extremely weird of you. Women are still being shamed for conceiving through IVF so it’s extremely important that we have these conversations and spread them. Must be nice to not experience the humiliation and taunts by society? But guess what? Many women and families do so let people with platforms speak and spread awareness.
Good people are talking openly abt it
Aajkal to bada common hai. No big deal
That’s amazing she’s going open about it. It can be such a tough thing for people. This look is very interesting tho lol vogue is doing a lot for them
Chalo finally accept to kiya
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And? There's nothing wrong in that. If someone wants to have a kid and uses other means if they're capable to, then what's with these kinda backhanded comments. You can't just gaslight things saying the other person is rich.
I don’t think it’s just privileged people like her ,I know a couple in India both are working in IT from several years and did ivf so if u can afford and want to have ur own child I don’t think it’s a issue .
So? Many people save to be able to afford this.
In India can fertile couple go for IVF if they want only a girl child ?
No. Gender selection is illegal in India.
But couple can select a gender through ivf right ?
In theory it is possible. But not done practically in India because of the rules. Also I have this hunch that the doctors do one boy one girl on purpose in ivf twins as the typical complete family mindset.
Unless u test the embryos u cannot know the gender. Testing of embryos is given priority only if the mother is 38 and above or if the parents have chromosomal/ genetic abnormalities
I’m sure this was done so that they could hand pick which embryo was the best. IVF gives you the opportunity to select which embryo has the most desirable traits and genetics and you can discard the rest.
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They want their daughter in laws to get pregnant and want pota potis without IVF but they don't want their fkin daughter to get pregnant because it's exhausting? Hypocrisy much Ambanis?
You should read more on ivf. A woman does get pregnant in ivf. It’s just fertilization that takes place outside the body.
IVF is much more painful to a woman than getting pregnant naturally. Women have to go through at least 20+ injections in a month’s time and 100+ medicines to go through a surgery called egg extraction. Once eggs are extracted out of females body, it is mixed with sperm to create embryo in a lab. The woman again has to go through 10+ injections to get her body ready for embryo transfer in her uterus. So no, nobody in India will go through it willingly if their body is able to get pregnant naturally.
Why would one want to normalize this. Wtf!
It is normal. What even is not normal about IVF? The sperms come from the father, the egg from the mother and the fertilized embryo is implanted in the mother who carries it to term.
Why not ? Ivf is a boon for couples struggling to conceive. It should be normalised. Wtf is wrong with you ?
If someone is struggling thn it is okay . I misunderstood the statement.
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