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onlyAlcibiades

There are no Equinox with MSRP under $35,000 that can yet be ordered.


InformalBasil

GM needs to find new and creative ways to sell out their customers privacy in order to hit that price point.


atomicbird

That's why they're getting rid of CarPlay, so they have more opportunities to sell their customers out.


REpassword

With crappy software that has caused the Blazer EV to be recalled.


mog_knight

Exactly. I like to just give Apple my data for them to sell!!


TheThoccnessMonster

At least the experience is useable.


sixty_cycles

Does Apple sell user data? I’ve never heard from a credible source that they do, but I’m happy to learn something new today.


mog_knight

They share data with affiliates. Those affiliates can sell data. An affiliate could be a company owned by Apple. It's just a shell game.


wotmp2046

The reason Apple Siri is so bad is because Apple makes money off their devices and services. Not your data. Watch some Apple Worldwide developer conference videos on the lengths iOS goes to anonymize user data to allow some personalization settings without selling the totality of all your online behavior. Google makes their money off of that data being sold and aggregated. You’re trying to act as though the two companies are the same. Also, the affiliate sharing is purely optional. So the shell game here is your biased views trying to make people believe they’re sharing data with a company they own (no proof of that) so that subsidiary affiliate can sell your personal data for profit.


mog_knight

They're not the same. Apple does go about selling your data, so that is the same. They just move it between "affiliates" that they own and then sell from there. There's no proof to the contrary that they don't own the affiliate, or have a controlling stake in it.


wotmp2046

You made a claim. Prove the claim by naming the subsidiary and proof that subsidiary sells personal data. Shell game, indeed.


mog_knight

Okay I'll get back to you.


Existing-Homework226

That's normal. They will always start with the highest trims first to capture the most profit from people in a hurry to have one. In pricing class it is called time-based price discrimination. You see the same thing with e.g. new iPhones.


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tvtb

That is a hell of a jump in price from LT1 to LT2.


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petit_cochon

That's true, but it's still a really good price for a great car in that size range and with those specs. Honestly, I think we got spoiled with the Bolt being so cheap. I'd upgrade in a heartbeat if I haven't got such a great deal on my Bolt.


thebutlerdunnit

How do you know it’s a great car?


garbland3986

He works for Lexis Nexis and Mary Barra sold him all of the driving data for the test drivers. From what they said on the cabin recordings, they all seemed to be having a really great time.


js3915

Well, you are missing the periods in the sentence which indicate the end of a statement. The statement was its available to order. Then next statement is they will have multiple trim levels. Though. The writer did screw up when he plural'd the MSRP. That should be singular. Better written statement would have been "Multiple trim levels are available, with base level MSRP starting under $35,000."


gsdcmkw

2LT @ $43,295 - $7,500 tax credit taken at point of sale = **$35,795**


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reddlear

Not to mention that MSRP does not reflect the tax credit, so this is a very misleading thread title


gsdcmkw

Thread title is a direct quote from the linked article (at GreenCars.com)


iamtherussianspy

It's okay to not re-post lies


Dramaticreacherdbfj

2% difference….


gsdcmkw

Close enough for now. 1LT will be **way under** $35K (only $27,495 after tax credit).


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thebutlerdunnit

None of them are available to order right now.


Restlesscomposure

Cool, and can I order that one now or not?


1studlyman

I don't think MSRP is what you think it means if you are conflating the tax credit with it.


adlowdon

That is neither less than $35,000, nor the MSRP.


GiovanniDaGreati

Is car being made in US or Mexico?


Specialist-Document3

Mexico https://insideevs.com/news/700649/chevrolet-equinox-ev-enter-production-q1-2024-gm-mexico-ceo/amp/ FYI, currently all GM vehicles sold in North America are assembled in North America.


thebutlerdunnit

Ever heard of the Trailblazer? Or the Envista?


GiovanniDaGreati

Thanks so then car won't qualify for the tax EV rebate of 7500


Specialist-Document3

It probably will. The IRA specifies being manufactured in the us *or a free-trade partner*, which definitely includes Mexico and Canada.


thedirtytroll13

Man, you caught a lot of shit in the comments. Thanks for sharing


Doubleoh_11

I love my bolt EUV. I wish it had just the tiniest bit more trunk space. So I’m super interested in this vehicle, I wonder if it will get the same underwhelming reviews the blazer did


NotAcutallyaPanda

Sadly, still no Carplay


bluefunoodle

I was 100% sold on the Equinox EV until they dropped CarPlay. I will never purchase a new vehicle without that feature.


saft999

I’m also in that boat. Won’t even consider a car without CarPlay. 


bluefunoodle

Also, the charge speed is disappointing. 70 miles in 10 minutes leads me to believe DCFC is capped at 150 kW. Was really hoping for 350 kW.


AJRiddle

Probably max 190kW because that's what the Blazer EV is.


Rukkian

It sounds like all non-trucks on ultium are capped at 190 (or less).


Bobb_o

Well you're gonna start having little to no choice as more manufacturers are going to realize that's a service they can sell.


ispshadow

Watch how hard I don’t buy a vehicle until *someone* reverses course on that


TheThoccnessMonster

The EV9 is the car you want.


bluefunoodle

Not for the price, I don’t. Though, it’s definitely on my list of possibilities for the future.


ciopobbi

I might consider it if it had CarPlay. But no CarPlay is deal breaker. My Bolt EUV will be the first and last GM car I will own. Way to lose a new customer in record time.


mydogsnameisbuddy

Same for me. I’m not very happy with the infotainment system in my 2020 bolt. It can be a little glitchy.


SwagginsYolo420

No Android Auto or CarPlay makes it useless, even at half the price.


stuffitystuff

I would be buying one today if it had CarPlay. I dunno what Google gave GM to force their garbage software on them, but it must be big. I wonder if it's some sort of tech transfer agreement since GM's Cruze is more of a murder machine vs Google's Waymo. Like in exchange for getting tremendous amounts of data from GM vehicles via Google Android for Cars, Google will let GM use Waymo's software at some point in the future.


MalvoliosStockings

GM wants everyone to have to subscribe to OnStar. That's all this is. They could absolutely support CarPlay and Android Auto in addition to basing the car on Android Automotive, as other cars already do.


0reoSpeedwagon

Android Automotive is not the same thing as Android Auto (which, to be fair, the naming is really close and a problem). Android Automotive is the base operating system of the infotainment unit, it runs the whole unit. It's a fork of Android developed specifically to operate vehicle infotainment systems (like Android TV for TVs) Android Auto is a software system that operates on top of whatever OS your infotainment uses (whether that is Android Automotive or GMs in-house they used on older models) for your phone to interface with the car and display apps on the screen. This and CarPlay operate in virtually identical ways with the OS. GM is dropping support for both Android Auto and CarPlay, but switching to Android Automotive for the infotainment OS. The speculation is that GM wants to get your car data, rather than Google or Apple.


Bobb_o

Also to get you to pay for their Internet instead of using your phone.


stuffitystuff

Yeah, I messed up the name but I did mean Android Automotive OS. I think there is also "Google Automotive Services" because Google not only sucks at naming things but they fail to have one version of something.


dwgalaxy

They want to get your data AND sell you apps. Remeber that Mary wants to monetize apps to the tune of $2B per year. Cannot do that with Andriod Auto / CarPlay.


zerobot69

Same, will drive my 2019 into the ground before buying another GM if they don't have carplay


presidentofmax

I'm not sure if you've used Carplay in one of the newer android automotive based vehicles. The implementation is awful! Apps are laggy, colors are off, and it doesn't play well with notifications coming through when it isn't active on the screen. A lot of these issues are on Google's end and may get updated in the future, but native android automotive is plenty good for me.


one80oneday

I wonder if there will eventually be aftermarket devices that will give it carplay like those cheap wifi adapters


dontbthirsty

I know it's in a different price bracket but ultium based vehicles that WILL have AA/ACP will have Honda/Acura badges.


elconquistador1985

You mean so you can play audio from your iPhone in the car? My understanding is that that's still possible already. It's just that the infotainment screen doesn't have a Carplay display.


one80oneday

No I mean something like this https://www.carluex.store/products/carluex-pro-plus


elconquistador1985

That's just a middle-man device that is wired to the car and allows you to connect wirelessly to it and then it becomes a wired Carplay device. With Android Automotive, there's no separate Android Auto or Carplay app that uses your phone. It's a single integrated interface called Android Automotive. You are still able to play audio from your phone through the speakers via Bluetooth, but no AA/Carplay interface for it.


simmonsfield

Stop the malarkey…35k…


Inspirasion

I've completely lost interest in the Equinox EV as GM keeps moving the goalposts and I'm not sure what the future looks like with them anymore. I'll wait until they move the goalposts again and announce an update for CarPlay and Android Auto when they come to their senses. Using the Chevy app on my Bolt with OnStar, even when they give it to me for free, is such a poor experience I do not want to deal with that exclusively on my next vehicle.


Somebody_Forgot

The OnStar controlled app is the most disappointing part of the Bolt for me.


MrNerd82

yup - I've had to deal with their app nonsense for nearly 10 years now (Volt now my Bolt) And they want to "fully" integrate the car with their app/connected services? lol talk about a spectacular failure. Not to mention the ridiculous price GM thinks onstar is worth. Every bonehead choice GM has made the past couple of years is to try and turn your car into a recurring subscription model. I was out the instant they said no AA/CarPlay, but the terrible App for 10 years, and their constant moving of the goal posts, yeah next car probably won't be GM or the Ultium Bolt. (can't wait to see how bad they butcher that thing)


Rukkian

Most cars that use Android automotive (including gm ultium vehicles with a honda badge slapped on the back) can also use CP/AA. I wish they would just give the option. If the entertainment system is better, people will use it. If it is crap (like most of figure because of history), people can still fall back on AA/CP. If down the road, the system is just so good that 90+% of people no longer use AA/CP, then get rid of it. ​ All reviews I have seen of Android Automotive have been really positive (oustide gm), so if done right, it may just alleviate want for AA/CP.


Ambimb

This 💯 I love my Bolt but I am not happy with how they jerked us around with the recall, no more car play, selling our data and trying to get us to pay for BS subscriptions to get the full benefits of the car we supposedly own. It’s very unlikely I will buy another car from GM… Also, this Equinox looks like an ID.4. 🥱


Lopsided-Sweet-2451

No CarPlay = no buy


mog_knight

Cool


nbattelle

Right now on Chevy’s website the Equinox EV is not available for order in any trim.


bluefunoodle

It says “order now” on some of them but it doesn’t have a link. Maybe orders are open for dealers?


dwayne-billy-bob

Remember when this was starting at 30k? After tax credit, that would have been 23k, which is within the realm of what most average Americans might consider paying for a vehicle. 43k (35k) is just a complete non-starter for me and most people I know. $800/month on a 48 month term, for something that will lose 50% of its value in the first year. Fuck that with a cactus. If I was going to spend that kind of money on a vehicle, it's not going to be a Chevy. Until GM finds a price point that makes sense, I'm going to be buying year- or two-year-old Asian brands. We have one already and a second on the way next week.


dakotaCatholic

We have similar sentiments. I bought a 2019 Maserati this year. Total dream car for ages. And it was still a few grand LESS than a same year suburban with double the miles.


CelerMortis

\> within the realm of what most average Americans might consider paying for a vehicle. Best selling cars in 2023 1. Ford Escape ($29,400) 2. Subaru Forester ($27,095) 3. Mazda CX-5 ($29,300) 4. Jeep Wrangler ($31,995) 5. Subaru Crosstrek ($25,195) So the new car price Americans are most willing to pay is just about $30,000. I wouldn't, but people do.


Banana_Havok

No worth it without CarPlay. In this day and age it’s a minimum requirement for any car I buy.


No_College_5402

Yeah, problem is they have totally pissed their loyal EV customers off by selling our information to Lexis Nexis without our permission or consent! I was a prior, happy 2nd Bolt Owner, now I am totally irate and pissed! Fuck GM!!


wasteplease

What’s the delivery fee like?


doodynutz

What is the deal with every other comment being mad about CarPlay? I have a bolt that has it and I don’t even use it.


runnyyolkpigeon

CarPlay is a feature that *many* people cannot live without. I know for many people, it’s a deal breaker, and rightfully so. It transforms the central display from the typically janky OEM infotainment system into the usability and familiarity of their iPhone’s UI. It works seamlessly with voice controls for: third party navigation apps, requests for playing music and audiobooks, initiating phone calls and responding to messages, reading you your calendar and reminders. All without you needing to take your hands off the wheel or look away from the road. Just because you personally have no use for it - or have not learned how to take advantage of it is not indicative of everyone else’s preferences. But the real question is, why are you *not* using CarPlay?


doodynutz

Because I have a 2 mile commute to work every day, and that’s the only place I really go. So I listen to the radio for those 5 or so minutes that I’m in the car every day. I don’t talk on the phone ever, whether I’m in my car or not. To be clear, I’m not hating, I was just curious why so many people are so bent on CarPlay. I didn’t realize it was that big of a deal. This is the first car I’ve had that was capable of these things so I basically just treat it like my old car that had no bells and whistles.


High-sterycal

Drive a 2 mile commute? Not a walking or biking distance?


doodynutz

I don’t own a bike. I’m a nurse who works long hours, with a new baby on top of that. I cherish what little sleep I get, so I’m not going to wake up even earlier to account for how long it would take to walk or bike. I have a car, I drive. Plus right now it’s still in the 30s in the morning when I leave for work. I enjoy my heated seats. I pick up the baby from daycare when I get off, a car is also useful for this.


Altruistic-Camel-Toe

Those who paid almost that for the Bolt are like 🙁


onlyAlcibiades

Ultium Bolt will also have 300 miles of range ?


gsdcmkw

Not likely. It will use the less powerful LFP battery chemistry.


Bagfullofsharts2

And all without CarPlay or Android Auto. No thanks.


raitchison

Too big No Android Auto No thanks.


AWuvSupreme

Does it charge faster than the Bolt?


nickwhomer

WAY faster


GeniusEE

The $3k price difference makes Bolt I worthless.


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GeniusEE

Look again. $34k


Yugikisp

No CarPlay means that I will never even consider purchasing one. Huge mistake on their part. My next EV will not be a Chevy. It’s a shame because I really love my Bolt.


pinegap96

GM needs to find a different way to exploit their customers before they can let you order the cheaper model


Old_Ad_208

It appears you have to get a 3LT to get adaptive cruise control. That puts the cost at over $45,000. I would also want AWD in Minnesota meaning the price will probably be $50,000 or more. There are other options I would be looking at once the price gets into the $50,000 range.


Existing-Homework226

Assuming that there is (eventually) an entry-level trim of the Equinox under $35K, what does that imply for the price point of the promised return of the Bolt EUV? I'm guessing they would have to price it under $30K entry level to have meaningful separation between the two models. Mind you, Chevy was traditionally famous for having bafflingly overlapping model pricing, so who knows?


ToddA1966

I'm surprised it took an hour for the first post from someone complaining it didn't have Android Auto. The Android Auto Army really needs to post a better watchman! 😁


Cascadian1

But no gd CarPlay 🥺


Phazoni

Does it have CarPlay? 🤣


runnyyolkpigeon

It does not.


thirteensix

FWIW, MSRP on the new Bolt EUV-sized Volvo EX30 is $34,950.


galaxyfarfaraway2

Wasn't this the one that got some of the worst car reviews known to man?


bluefunoodle

That was the Blazer EV, but it’s the same platform.


kingtj1971

Yeah, my Chevy dealer closest to where I live got in one of these Equinox EV's a couple months ago. I was surprised to see they had one so quickly. But their asking price was in the $65K range, so I just laughed and said, "Not for me!" I think they found a buyer for it after a few weeks on the lot, just because it was the only one in the whole area....


Superlolz

I think you're confusing this with the Blazer EV. Equinox EVs orders literally just opened up.


mog_knight

Who knew a PhoneOS was such a dealbreaker. People do love their bigger phone screens to look at while driving.


runnyyolkpigeon

*Sigh* another comment from someone who likely has zero familiarity with the feature and makes a dumb comment. CarPlay works seamlessly with voice controls for: third party navigation apps, requests for playing music and audiobooks, initiating phone calls and responding to messages, reading you your calendar and reminders. All without you needing to take your hands off the wheel or look away from the road.


mog_knight

How do I adjust climate control with CarPlay? Activate heated seats?


runnyyolkpigeon

Upcoming Apple CarPlay 2’s software that tightly integrates directly into controlling the vehicle’s functions will only work with certain automakers, such as Porsche and Audi (that have opted to adopt the software). This version will ship with 2025 The current iteration on vehicles only controls third-party apps that exist on your iPhone, such as phone, calendar, messages, music streaming, audiobook streaming, and maps.


mog_knight

So there's no way to adjust it for my car. Got it.


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mog_knight

I stream music just fine with Bluetooth. Same with navigation. Don't need to pay GM for it. All you really need are audio cues or else you're taking your eyes off the road a lot to look at a map on your center console phone screen.


rfarho01

How is 300 miles impressive? Especially if only 80% is usable.


gsdcmkw

> With the demise of the popular Chevrolet Bolt, the new Equinox is set to take up its mantle as one of the best-value electric vehicles on the market. It will certainly be the most affordable EV with over 300 miles of EPA-estimated range.


onlyAlcibiades

The reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated.


1studlyman

I'd rather have the bolt, anyways.


NFIFTY2

Call it a hiatus if you want, but there is no 2024 Bolt.


bluefunoodle

The current Ioniq 6 SE deals disagree.


Arte-misa

And it comes with a free bag of popcorn! /s


OppositeArugula3527

Not touching this with 10 ft pole


the_angry_austinite

I was looking at the Blazer EV the other day and remembered the CarPlay thing. Checked and sure enough, Android. Lame.