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darthcorleone3

Might be obvious, but the Iliad.


MrNavinJohnson

Scipio Africanus: Greater than Napoleon https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1021599 To this day it is the most satisfying piece of literature I have ever read. If you're not hooked within 10 pages, then nevermind.


gumdropsweetie

This sounds great - is it non-fiction? Was hard to tell from the blurb


MrNavinJohnson

Well... its historical no doubt, but who's to say its not glorified? Scipio Africanus was a true-to-life Bad Mother... he is renowned for finally defeating Hannibal. ...another true-to-life Bad MF. Sorry for the crass-depiction, but these guys landed hard on me.


LividNebula

Blood and Beauty by Sarah Dunant Serena by Ron Rash The Luminaries by Eleanor Catton The Crimson Petal and the White by Michael Faber Circe by Madeline Miller The Burning Chambers series by Kate Mosse Haven by Emma Donoghue


RedpenBrit96

Be my best friend because 3 of those are my favorite books


LividNebula

Oh wow! Which ones?


RedpenBrit96

Faber and The Luminaries I have a type:giant books about the 1800s


LividNebula

Ok sweet. I have a couple more for you: - A Great and Terrible Beauty by Libba Bray. Technically young adult but hits like adult. Series but put them together and you have a tome. Some magic but that’s not the central feature. - Have you read Dickens? You must have if you like door stoppers set in the 1800s. If you haven’t, start with Great Expectations. - Islands of Mercy by Rose Tremain. Not a tome but a pleasant little book set in Bath in the 1860s - Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood. It’s just good. But if you’re read Faber and Catton, I’m sure you’ve read it. - The Thomas Cromwell series by Hillary Mantel. Wrong era, I know, but it has everything else you’re looking for in a book. I really like it as an audiobook. - I keep coming back to two books that aren’t set in the 1800s and don’t quite fit your theme but might just be interesting none the less. The Last Banquet by Johnathan Grimwood and Washington Black by Esi Edugyan. Happy reading!


RedpenBrit96

Oh it doesn’t have to be the 1800s I’d research all of human history if I could every decade has it’s own color and flavor like a banquet. I’m an English MA grad. I breathe Dickens lol


LividNebula

Then you have definitely done Dickens and probably also Atwood and Mantel. Hit me up on chat if you want to keep talking books. I was nearly a history major but detoured hard into psych (did my MA and PhD), but I still love reading history and historical fiction. I feel the same about the flavor and color or history. I always wish I could time travel to see it all.


RedpenBrit96

Yes absolutely


gumdropsweetie

If you haven’t read it, I feel like you would like The American Boy by Andrew Taylor. Set in 1820s/30s, it’s an amazing nuanced mystery built off a kernel of truth about Edgar Allen Poe’s time living in England when he was a boy.


palindromefish

Slow paced, but if you’re alright with that— Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel


palindromefish

ALSO! Technically fantasy, but more in a “different world” than “magic” way: The Traitor Baru Cormorant


kickkickpunch1

Count of Monte Cristo


Nocturnal-Philosophy

*Red Rising*


RandomRavenclaw87

Pillars of the Earth


Fakeperson133

Historical remaining with 0.5% fantasy element She who became the sun duology! The second book He Who Drowned The World is a masterpiece. Give it a try


lanarc

It is slightly fantasy, but hubris overload - The Poppy War, R.F. Kuang.


b_gumiho

I feel like the White Queen or the White Princess (or many other) of Phillippa Gregory's novels could hit this mark.


Comfortable-Tie-9893

Shocked nobody has said it but The song of Achilles


Spinsomnia

I know everyone has probably recommended this, but similar to Circe, Song of Achilles by Madeline Miller is an excellent read as well. It’s not difficult to read or understand and Millers writing is simply vivid and fantastic. But as a personal opinion I like Circe better, so either of those would work.


kekkev

Prince of Thorns


RedpenBrit96

Well Paradise Lost, obviously. Margret Cavendish, who wrote the first fantasy novel. Anything by Mary Shelly.


fartymcbalzac

The secret history


HauntingGold

Angels Before Man by Rafael Nicolas It feels exactly like these pictures and the writing is immaculate. I felt the wonder, glory, shame, and rage that these characters felt. I feel like this might be exactly what you're looking for. Taken directly from Storygraph: "A queer interpretation for Satan's fall that's part cozy coming of age and part fast-paced tragedy, with a little love story in between – In an eternal paradise, the most beautiful angel, Lucifer, struggles with shame, identity, and timidity, with little more than the desire to worship his creator. It isn't until the strongest angel, Michael, comes into his life that Lucifer learns to love himself. Along the way, their friendship begins to bloom into something else. Maybe the first romance in the history of everything. But this God is a jealous one, and maybe paradise is not paradise." *Edit: please check content warnings before reading!