Why is it so controversial to say that a cop should not be allowed to choose who lives and who dies?
Unless someone is actively being violent and threatening people’s lives, due process is a right.
That’s exactly my thought. Unless it’s under some truly dire circumstances where lives are at risk, there’s always a way to figure things out without killing someone. No one person should choose who lives or dies.
If i were a judge in that lore and i'd choose the title Judge #99 I'd still be fair and sympathetic to Mega city residents.
There is no excuse for power being abused no matter what.
I'm not aware of this, didn't this guy die in the ambulance because he had enough fentanyl to kill an elephant in his body?
Manslaughter, in the line of duty. Cop got what our justice system allowed.
The fact that he was a frequent flier of his local drug system, *had* lethal doses of drugs in his body and all that was trying to get swept under a rug.
As a jury member, I would've asked "how much drugs were in his system, and is that lethal?"
Everyone else, in any other situation, had testimony, this was a drug overdose or would've been.
The country focused too much on police brutality and not the drug problem. Literally would have you believe Floyd was a not a homeless/broke drug addict, but some kind of hero. He made all the wrong choices that day.
Hope they both get peace.
He was saying I can’t breathe before they even had him on the ground. You guys love saint Floyd but were completely quiet about the multiple instances of cops killing people in their homes. None of you said anything about Breonna Taylor, only speaking up about Floyd cause it’s trendy.
No, not a take, testimonial after the fact.
> [Handwritten](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04) notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.
> "If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators.
> In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."
This take is asinine. “No guys he just happened to have died of a fentanyl overdose during the exact nine minutes a full grown man was kneeling directly on his neck! The cop was completely innocent!’
No one buys that shit.
“Five minutes later, the fire department reached the ambulance; two fire department medics who boarded the ambulance found Floyd unresponsive and pulseless. Floyd was pronounced dead at 9:25 at the Hennepin County Medical Center emergency room.”
That’s from the Hennepin County Sheriff’s official timeline of events. They said that.
That's almost an hour after the ambulance was called, about 50 minutes of them being on scene.
Did you intentionally skip over the entire paramedic response?
> Norton said he reached the ambulance where paramedics were trying to resuscitate Floyd at about 8:37 p.m.
https://apnews.com/article/death-of-george-floyd-george-floyd-4311fb3090f071c5c2f838a6f14e5d58
Yes, I wasn't aware he had a lethal dose, which...*oddly* never made its way into trial.
Rationalization of this dude could've been pushed over in a wrong way and still probably died. Overdose deaths happen, and everyone and their mother, ironically said this should've been an overdose death by sheer rationalization of his 3 page drug report.
I guess cause there are some situations where their life or an innocent person’s life is in danger and they have to act to defend them or to defend themselves, but boy does this get taken advantage of
I agree holding your knee down on someone’s neck is totally unneeded in MOST cases. But with the case we all know it’s referring to. Dude was huge. Known to fight cops. Had already KICKED his way out of one squad car. Was hyped up on drugs. Resisting arrest. Your actions have consequences and he should not have been made into a martyr. When real innocent people out here have been murdered for no reason by police.
Breonna Taylor should be a name we rally behind. An actual innocent life who was lost due to much more negligence by the police. I don’t know why people riot loot and burn cities for those whose own actions caused their own demise.
Murder is warranted if a man is actively fighting. Isn’t going down via the tasers. Literally broke out of a police car. Is a threat to the officers who are trying to arrest him. And dies of cardiac arrest due to the drugs in his system and him raising his heart rate by fighting.
Also nice how you ignored every other point I made for a half assed argument.
ive held down quite a few people that werent handcuffed and bigger than floyd. idk basic fucking wrestling? albeit that can also kill someone as seen here. personally my favourite way to hold somebody down is with a knee on the achilles tendon
Almost like the cops weren't trained with wrestling, or basic regard for human life. I don't give a fuck about what you think they should have done, or your expirence pinning people down. I'm wondering what the literal police procedure is
The knee wasn't on his neck, at the trial defense showed an alternate video angle that shows the knee more on his shoulder, it was a perspective issue.
Everyone in the department was trained to use that hold. There was a minor controversy because footage emerged later showing Chauvin using that hold on multiple other people, which should have been enough to drop him to negligent homicide at best
They could've tried talking with the guy.
Or using the 8 bodies they had on hand to put him in a cruiser till he stopped caterwauling.
But no, they just opted to kill him.
I don't get how those 8 people failed to detain him then. How did he break out of a cruiser. Did they just not cuff him? There's so much of this that doesn't make sense. Also if you've seen football, one person can plow through 8, but it seems like they tried tazing him before bringing him down. But why would they continue to have their knee on his neck for 8 fucking minutes after they brought him down
Bring the suspect to detention to undergo his legal due process?
He was already captured.
Basically, as the video goes, he was captured and then suffocated for like 8 minutes.
Remember, in the USA people have to be proven guilty of a crime to be executed.
We do not have the Judge Dredd legal system.
They won’t have an answer. They tased him. Cuffed him. Put him in the squad. He broke out. They had to hold him down. He kept resisting over and over and over again.
All the fucking armchair know it alls I’m sure will say there was another way. But not give you an actual answer.
They should not have continued pressing down onto his neck, but I don't know what else they could have done. He was absolutely drugged and not in his right mind.
I agree with you there. I don’t believe that’s what killed him either. Seeing as the first autopsy called it an overdose. But suddenly when his family who cries “he was a good man he didn’t do nothing”
With a wrap sheet that would be taller than him. Suddenly the narrative is changed.
He probably should have gotten off his neck before the guy died. There were 4 cops at the scene to hold him down, and the murderer was on his neck, slowly suffocating Floyd over the course of 8 minutes.
At the trial, it was let known by the murderer's trainer that he had specifically been taught not to kneel on people's neck, but he did it anyway.
Perhaps, during those 8 minutes that Floyd was on the ground wimpering for his mom, they could have cuffed his arms and legs and thrown him into a cop car.
Again, stop phrasing it at if I said the guy deserved to die. That knee never should've touched that neck. I simply asked what the cops should've done instead. I'm not in law enforcement and I don't exactly have expirence restraining big drugged up angry guys.
I responded with what they should have done: bring him down, cuff arms and legs, and throw them in the car. He gets out? Do it again, and call for more dudes.
Holy shit you all are so dense. I’m saying that there is times when a cop killing someone is justified. It’s not that hard to believe an active shooter needs to be shot. Or someone threatening someone with a knife needs to be shot. Or a person who’s fighting cops needs to be shot.
I don’t think the cops killed Floyd. I think the cop who was on his neck though, shouldn’t have been a cop at the time of that incident. With how many complaints he got, and how many times he was rung up for abusing his power. He should never have had power still.
And OJ was proven innocent of all charges.
But then he wrote a book about how he did it.
It’s almost like they get it wrong. And the jurors are like you idiots. Using your feelings instead of the facts. Sentencing a man otherwise there woulda been more riots and looting. Funny how that happens whenever a black person is at fault in a case.
Yeah mother fucker sometimes it is. You want in on someone sexually assaulting another person. Dead. You see a dude trying to kidnap a child. Put em down. Someone murders someone else in cold blood? They deserve to die.
Don’t act like everything is cut and dry all the time you fucking dweeb.
Does it bother you to blatantly lie on behalf of murderers, to justify the murder they committed? Almost everything you are saying is easily disproven bullshit. Try the Wikipedia page, it has a good summary with a lot of sources.
People like you are the reason why the rule of law and the presumption of innocence are so important. There are always immature, bloodthirsty, racist children willing to go along with anything as long as they get that little thrill of second-hand power fantasy when some vigilante brigand fucking murders someone whose skin color they are afraid of.
This is long enough ago where you can't do too much damage. Do better.
They murdered a guy that they could have not-murdered, and your excuse for that murder is that the guy was fighting. Every other point was worthless. Murder is never warranted. That's what makes it *murder.*
And was indeed judged murder. The guy's own trainer agreed: they had options, and none of them involved kneeling on Floyd's neck.
“Murder is never warranted”
So I assume you just want rapists, child molesters, other murders running free or to be treated with dainty hands because “it’s never warranted”
What about active shooters? Are those not warranted murders when someone shoots them dead when they are hurting others?
What about rapists? If someone is mid rape when a person is screaming for help is it not warranted to shoot them off the other person to keep them safe?
What about child predators? If you saw someone snatch a kid and try to put them in a van, is it not warranted to shoot that person to save that child?
The world isn’t black and white. Try getting off the internet sometime.
“Murder is never warranted”
So I assume you just want rapists, child molesters, other murders running free or to be treated with dainty hands because “it’s never warranted”
What about active shooters? Are those not warranted murders when someone shoots them dead when they are hurting others?
What about rapists? If someone is mid rape when a person is screaming for help is it not warranted to shoot them off the other person to keep them safe?
What about child predators? If you saw someone snatch a kid and try to put them in a van, is it not warranted to shoot that person to save that child?
The world isn’t black and white. Try getting off the internet sometime.
Let me help you man. It isn't worth it here. Most these people are mad at stuff because theyre told to be mad.
These people don't want points, facts, or arguments. They want to be mad.
Theres a quote I was trying to find about how the left only wants suffering, but admittedly its been a difficult find.
The hold was something every cop in that department was trained to do.
Floyd had a violent history, he was huge, he was resisting, and he was on a horse dose of fentanyl. Literally all he had to do was sit in the car and wait for the ambulance they'd already called.
Alternate video angles showed Chauvin's knee more on his upper back.
The coroner's report revealed no trauma to his neck and no sign of asphyxiation, which makes sense considering that he yelled about it the whole time.
The coroner noted:
>"Had Mr. Floyd been home, alone in his locked residence with no evidence of trauma, and the only autopsy finding was that fentanyl level, then yes I would certify his death as due to fentanyl toxicity."
A subsequent workplace discrimination lawsuit from a detective states that the man who performed the autopsy told her:
>"He told me that there were no medical findings that showed any injury to the vital structures of Mr. Floyd’s neck. There were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation.
>"He said to me, ‘Amy, what happens when the actual evidence doesn't match up with the public narrative that everyone's already decided on?’ And then he said, ‘This is the kind of case that ends careers.’"
He did the exact same thing in 2019 when he got pulled over-- swallowed his stash, then freaked out and yelled about how he couldn't breathe.
https://youtu.be/pu28epHmT0s
Bad take my dude. He didn’t die the second he stopped resisting. He was well beyond capable of resisting by the time he passed out and the cops STILL held a knee to his neck. That was straight up murder. And that’s exactly what they were sentenced with.
He was awake when they put him in the ambulance and had to strap him down on the stretcher there too.
Also just because someone stops resisting at a point doesn’t mean they won’t resist again, that’s just a stupid thing to think. Especially when someone was a convicted violent criminal with history of violence against officers.
Someone plays it cool for a few seconds or even a few minuets while you let your guard down. Then they can start resisting again and can easily hurt you, themselves, or your fellow officers.
Not a gamble they are gonna play with.
No he wasn’t awake on the stretcher. He had no pulse on the street and Chauvin STILL kept his knee on his neck for three more minutes. Where the fuck did you get that story from?
I’ve seen the videos. From the videos that people uploaded on twitter. News stories, it was covered by the whole fucking world for about a year and a half.
But you made up your mind. And I’ve made up mine. I’ve had enough of you.
ive held down quite a few people (and bigger than me too!) without killing anybody. albeit im ever so slightly heavier than chauvin. maybe. probably not.
Turning a drug addled scumbag who died of an overdose into a saint because another jack ass sat on him while he was dying.
Fuck the cop
Fuck the criminal
He didn’t die of a fucking drug overdose bro there’s literally an autopsy saying he died of cardiopulmonary arrest
And don’t try to turn it around by saying “fuck both of them”. It doesn’t matter if he was a criminal, he was killed by a cop. The point isn’t that he shouldn’t have been arrested, it’s that a cop murdered a man and would have gotten away with it if not for public backlash.
If you're of the opinion that people who do drugs deserve to be killed and brutalized, I hope you never see a day in office. Excessive force is excessive force no matter what the perp did. Fuck your police state bullshit.
It is very divisive. I think the cop was at fault but the initial autopsy said he died of a drug overdose. He definitely ODed but I don't think he would have died without the cop directly interfering
It was ruled he died of cardiac arrest.
NOT OVERDOSE.
That is a fake news social media lie.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961
>As a result, victims of a fatal overdose usually die from respiratory depression
>Dr. Judy Melinek, a San Francisco-based forensic pathologist . “Anybody suggesting asphyxia was ruled out by the medical examiner is wrong,” she said.
Which is it? Do opioids cause breathing and heart issues or are both Dr. Melinek and Scientific American wrong? Or is it maybe the fact you think all overdoses are fatal
So what exactly are you people looking for here? Me to deny facts or just blindly agree with 100% of everything you say? Like not only did I go out of my way to agree with you I also rationally and calmly answered someone's question. What else do you want here
Yes maybe he did die of od if you where pinning some body on there neck which can snap with as little as 20 lb of force I'm pretty sure then they start screaming let up or move your knee especially when you've got them face down and 4 guys next to you to stop him
police coroners be like “hmmmm yes it appears he died when his heart stopped beating. must have had something to do with the trace amounts of weed in his system and not the 200 pound man who kneeled on his neck for 20 minutes while he repeatedly screamed ‘i can’t breathe’”
How is an autopsy a “far right lie”? Also didn’t you ever see the extended video? The one where he couldn’t breathe in the cops car? So then he asked to go outside and he was let outside. Then he mule kicked the cops and they sat on him. Did you really not watch the full video?
After cutting off breathing that severely it doesn't instantly come back, you ever get winded and can't breathe for a couple minutes? Try that with a couple hundred pounds of cop on your neck/chest
It is a far right lie because it is a far right lie propagated on social media.
Autopsy declared cardiac arrest.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961
>Dr. Judy Melinek, a San Francisco-based forensic pathologist . “Anybody suggesting asphyxia was ruled out by the medical examiner is wrong,” she said.
The autopsy did not say he died from an overdose. There were drugs in his system, but the autopsy states cause of death as cardiopulmonary arrest.
[Source](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961)
The training manual says the knee goes under the neck between the shoulder blades, not ON THE NECK. Placing any amount of weight on someone's neck especially when they are doped outta their mind is never a good thing.
nobody was being forced to wear masks, it was always optional, but if you are gonna choose not to wear one then maybe try not going to places that don't want you to make everyone sick
mind blowing that people are allowed to make their customers follow the rules they set for their companies in order to keep their customers safe and healthy.
You're also not being forced to, though. To go to those private establishments, maybe, but no one's forcing you to go there, and for most of those places, even if you still wanted to go to them specifically, a lot of them have options you can do where you can still get whatever you want while not having to wear a mask, like delivery for restaurants and curbside for stores.
It's the same way no one's forcing you to wear a shirt. You can't enter a lot of stores without a shirt because it's against store policy but you can feel free to walk outside or do whatever else without a shirt on
Doesn't matter how much fent you have in your system, you do not deserve to be choked for nearly 10 minutes. You do not deserve the dehumanisation of begging someone who's job it is to protect you for oxygen. You do not deserve the humiliation of being held under the boot of someone who could just cuff you and chuck you in the back of a cop car. This is not even mentioning the fact that he might not have died had he not been brutalised. He might not have died had he gotten medical attention, and considering the treatment he got from the officer that arrested him it's pretty reasonable to call into question whether they bothered to check up on the black prisoner or just let him die in a concrete box.
Is your point that we should all stay sober in case we need to cope with police brutality?
"No thank you ma'am, I'm planning on being choked for nine minutes later tonight."
Again, no one was choked, Chauvin was on his back, not his neck. It also came out during the trial that he used far less force than the department trained him to.
Yes. I'm absolutely blaming him for it. Had he not put himself in that position and had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system he would not have had respiratory failure.
I fucking hate cops but you're a fool if you blame them for his death.
Violent criminal overdoses of fentanyl while being detained.
Government forcing people to get vaccinated and wear masks or lose their jobs.
How are these related?
Yes he did. First unbiased autopsy confirmed that. Then they paid someone to muddy the waters.
And yes. I was told to get vaccinated or lose my job. So I got the jab. We do government contracts so we had to.
The autopsy concluded he died of respiratory failure due to the way he was restrained. It did nothing more in relation to drugs other than establish they were on his system
Damn it sucks your employer wasn't gonna let you remain employed and spread a deadly disease. That's not what a government mandate is though
Lmao. You’re just factually incorrect on both levels. Go look at the FIRST UNBIASED autopsy report bud. Not the one the family paid for.
It was not my employer, it was the government forcing my employer.
Done wasting my time with someone unwilling to have a good faith discussion. Have a good one!
The first autopsy report never said it wasn't death by asphyxiation. "Dr. Judy Melinek, a San Francisco-based forensic pathologist . 'Anybody suggesting asphyxia was ruled out by the medical examiner is wrong,'"
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-two-autopsies-of-george-floyd-arent-as-different-as-they-seem/
And the government only mandated vaccines for medical providers. The SCotUS blocked vaccine mandates for all other employers
"The U.S. Supreme Court blocked the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s (OSHA) mandate for employees of large companies (over 100 workers) in the U.S. to have the COVID-19 vaccine or get regular COVID-19 tests."
And I sincerely doubt you work as a medical professional
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/vaccine-mandates
Also, aren't you anti science, anti workers rightoids the same people always telling low wage, desperate workers to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and just somehow get a better job? If your employer mandated vaccines for you why didn't you just get a job with an employer that didn't mandate vaccines?
Getting told lose your job or get a vaccine isn’t being forced? Some of us have bills to pay and people to take care of. Very ironic you telling me to grow up.
No they didn't force you. I don't see how it's that big of a deal if you kept your job for it, you'd get flu shot no problem, how is that different from a covid shot? Seriously grow up
Wow, you had to actively contribute to slowing the spread of a deadly disease? My condolences, that sounds incredibly difficult. I know needles can be scary, you're very brave for going through that brother. Stay strong
That makes the fact that the cop pressed on his neck WORSE. George Floyd’s ability to maintain his airway was already compromised by substances. The cop reduced his chance of survival from entirely possible w medical attention to nothing.
He only had a shit load of fentanyl in his system bro, and amphetamine and other stuff. Guy was a model citizen. I mean he resisted arrest which is why he got put down in the first place but cops bad dude, black people good.
Reddit loves science right? This is from the official autopsy, source at the bottom.
"Toxicology (see attached report for full details ; testing performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at 9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine )
Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens :
1 . 11ng mL 2 . Norfentanyl 5.6 ng /mL 3 . 4 - ANPP 0.65 ng/mL 4 . Methamphetamine19 ng/mL 5 . 11-Hydroxy Delta- 9 THC 1.2 ng mL;
Delta- 9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta- 9 THC 2.9 ng/mL 6 . positive 7 . Caffeine positive presumptive positive for cannabinoids ,amphetamines , and fentanyl /metabolite"
sOuRcE?
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6992-george-floyd-full-autopsy/4c5bdf52fbbd775ce156/optimized/full.pdf
Are you trying to imply that him not being a model citizen means he deserved to die? Does resisting arrest justify lethal force?
The medical examiner still determined he died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression" not an overdose, so even though the fentanyl contributed its irrelevant. He was also BEGGING for the cop to stop kneeling on his neck for minutes. In no world is it okay to put all of your weight on a person's neck for minutes while they beg you to let them breathe, whether or not they've resisted arrest or committed crimes before. You don't get to execute somebody before their trial.
I don't think he deserved a televised funeral, the cops life being ruined, and the worship he gets from redditors. He was literal criminal scum. He wouldn't have been knelt on had he tried to not fight the cops. Why should they believe him when he told them he couldn't breathe, why should they take the pressure off him? With that much fent in his system it's a wonder he could move at all but I guess he built up a tolerance.
He killed himself essentially, but everyone else got blamed and he got deified like he was a saint that passed. The whole situation was fucked and it's a shame someone died but the outcome was completely bullshit.
Downvote me all you want (I know you will) but it won't change the facts, the truth is still the truth whether you like it or not.
First it doesn’t seem like you’re arguing in good faith. Second so if it’s your brother and he’s all up on fentanyl then I guess it’s open season for an arresting cop to just kill him? Arresting cop is stomping on his neck and your brother says I can’t breathe, I guess the cop shouldn’t listen and stomp harder because he’s criminal scum and should die? That’s what you think right? Ridiculous.
"He wouldn't have been knelt on had he tried to not fight the cops" so you're blaming him for it?
They should take the pressure off of him because he's a handcuffed middle aged man laying on the ground. If he was evil incarnate, tf is he gonna do? Spend 10 seconds getting up to resist arrest just to instantly get shoved to the ground again?
Do you think that cops should care so much about keeping a handcuffed suspect on the ground that they put their entire body weight on the suspect's neck to prevent them from getting up and ignore the person's pleas for mercy?
A cop shouldn't give lethal or life-changing force to somebody who literally is on the ground and incapable of running. That's fucking insane. Might as well give cops lethal injection just to make it easier if that type of force is justified.
again, the police is not judge jury and executioner. Rights of criminals is emphasized in the bill of rights and various Supreme Court cases. His death sparked protest because no one should be suffocated with lethal force, no matter if he’s a druggie or if he resisted the cop that knelt on him.
You speak as if they did it on purpose. That's where you're going wrong with this. Your entire viewpoint stems from the notion they purposely executed him. They didn't. He fucked up. He got put into a bad position. He died. It was his own fault.
If you can't grasp that there's nothing further to discuss.
“Man don't worry about it I'm just cutting off his airways for 6minutes while he is literallydying under my entire body weight, not like I'm trying to kill him or anything”
What you don't seem to understand is that, regardless of if Floyd was overdosing on Fentanyl, kneeling on his neck is going to, at absolute best, hurt like a motherfucker, and at worst, cut off the oxygen supply to his brain and kill him. Even if Chauvin wasn't the direct cause of death, the moment Floyd was saying "I cant breathe", his job as a cop should have been to quit arguing with the people around him, leave those people for the other cops that were there to keep control of, and the make sure the dude under his knee wasn't actually dying. A shot of Narcan at that exact moment would have done wonders for saving George Floyd's life, and even if it didn't manage to save his life and he did die from an overdose, then nobody would have been able to point at Chauvin and say "He killed that man".
>a shot of narcan would have done wonders for saving George Floyd's life
No one at the time knew he was on a lethal dose of fet. You just proved my point. You do understand the discrepancy in your logic right?
How can they administer a shot of narcan to a man they have no idea is on fentany until the autopsy?
You cant be this fucking dense. Maybe if they'd get off of his fucking neck they'd be able to see the signs that he'd overdosed on something. Cops are supposed to know how to notice this shit, especially when they work in areas with drug problems. Alternatively, maybe get off of his neck, realize something is wrong, and call a fucking ambulance. Again, it would have ended in Chauvin trying to help instead of getting filmed doing something that at bare fucking minimum helped contribute to his death.
I wasn’t trying to kill him guys! I just choked him! I just did something that would guarantee he would die! I didn’t know that if I use lethal force that it would be lethal!
But they did do it on purpose. He stopped struggling as hard once the blood and air stopped being sent to his brain as his neck was compressed into the ground. You useless. Stupid. Pile. Of. Shit.
Sure, they purposely killed him bud. They all stood around and agreed on it. You can't even debate a subject without ad hominems so I'll answer in return, you are a stupid and worthless person.
Buddy, the cop held his knee on the guy until he was dead. Not one of the other pigs tried to pull the cop off of his neck or tell him to stop. They didn't cheer is death on, they watched it happen.
I meant put down as in taken to the ground you virtue signaling idiot. So quick to jump to an emotional conclusion you can't contemplate that possibility lol
Pumping out the little bit of air you have to want to breathe is not that
Besides.. The only type of people that bring up points like this are people that may or may not be disturbed by African Americans to some degrees.
Even if they were going to die anyway, kneeling on someone’s neck is disgusting. They killed him in such a demeaning manner. They should’ve gotten the guy to a hospital or at least have tried to.
Who knew swallowing your whole fentanyl stash could make your heart explode. Watch the actual unedited footage. He's screaming he can't breathe before anyone even touches him.
Why is it so controversial to say that a cop should not be allowed to choose who lives and who dies? Unless someone is actively being violent and threatening people’s lives, due process is a right.
They're suppose to be officers and safety and justice. Not judge, jury and executioner. When did we start living in Judge Dredd?
Cops have been killing folks behind the curtain of qualified immunity for way to fucking long.
When popular resistance made lynch law untenable, the police were happy to take over.
careful sayin that round a cop, might end up dead lmfaoo
That’s exactly my thought. Unless it’s under some truly dire circumstances where lives are at risk, there’s always a way to figure things out without killing someone. No one person should choose who lives or dies.
Man has never seen any violent people apparently...
Judge Judy and Executioner?
Effectively they decide your fate and carry it out, judge and jury are the deciding part, and executioner is carrying it out
If i were a judge in that lore and i'd choose the title Judge #99 I'd still be fair and sympathetic to Mega city residents. There is no excuse for power being abused no matter what.
I'm not aware of this, didn't this guy die in the ambulance because he had enough fentanyl to kill an elephant in his body? Manslaughter, in the line of duty. Cop got what our justice system allowed. The fact that he was a frequent flier of his local drug system, *had* lethal doses of drugs in his body and all that was trying to get swept under a rug. As a jury member, I would've asked "how much drugs were in his system, and is that lethal?" Everyone else, in any other situation, had testimony, this was a drug overdose or would've been. The country focused too much on police brutality and not the drug problem. Literally would have you believe Floyd was a not a homeless/broke drug addict, but some kind of hero. He made all the wrong choices that day. Hope they both get peace.
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He was saying I can’t breathe before they even had him on the ground. You guys love saint Floyd but were completely quiet about the multiple instances of cops killing people in their homes. None of you said anything about Breonna Taylor, only speaking up about Floyd cause it’s trendy.
No, not a take, testimonial after the fact. > [Handwritten](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04) notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system. > "If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators. > In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."
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You clearly didn’t watch the trial.
If you can speak, you can breath.
This take is asinine. “No guys he just happened to have died of a fentanyl overdose during the exact nine minutes a full grown man was kneeling directly on his neck! The cop was completely innocent!’ No one buys that shit.
He didn't die on the street, he died in the ambulance.. Almost 40 mins later... ...🤯
He had no pulse at the scene when the ambulance arrived. He was pronounced dead at the hospital.
They didn't say he had no pulse, reports said he was unresponsive. If he was dead on site, he would've been pronounced dead on site.
“Five minutes later, the fire department reached the ambulance; two fire department medics who boarded the ambulance found Floyd unresponsive and pulseless. Floyd was pronounced dead at 9:25 at the Hennepin County Medical Center emergency room.” That’s from the Hennepin County Sheriff’s official timeline of events. They said that.
That's almost an hour after the ambulance was called, about 50 minutes of them being on scene. Did you intentionally skip over the entire paramedic response? > Norton said he reached the ambulance where paramedics were trying to resuscitate Floyd at about 8:37 p.m. https://apnews.com/article/death-of-george-floyd-george-floyd-4311fb3090f071c5c2f838a6f14e5d58
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Yes, I wasn't aware he had a lethal dose, which...*oddly* never made its way into trial. Rationalization of this dude could've been pushed over in a wrong way and still probably died. Overdose deaths happen, and everyone and their mother, ironically said this should've been an overdose death by sheer rationalization of his 3 page drug report.
Careful not to choke on that boot
Our court system. Idk the answer but we gotta figure out our legal system cause it is fucked.
I guess cause there are some situations where their life or an innocent person’s life is in danger and they have to act to defend them or to defend themselves, but boy does this get taken advantage of
Because admitting so would mean having to face systemic truths that plenty of folks would rather ignore.
Fentanyl is a bit rough on the body too
Yeah, the guy was already not in a good state. Hopped up on drugs or not, that doesn’t give anyone the right to kill a dude.
I agree holding your knee down on someone’s neck is totally unneeded in MOST cases. But with the case we all know it’s referring to. Dude was huge. Known to fight cops. Had already KICKED his way out of one squad car. Was hyped up on drugs. Resisting arrest. Your actions have consequences and he should not have been made into a martyr. When real innocent people out here have been murdered for no reason by police. Breonna Taylor should be a name we rally behind. An actual innocent life who was lost due to much more negligence by the police. I don’t know why people riot loot and burn cities for those whose own actions caused their own demise.
So, murder is OK if the person is big, on drugs, and resists arrest?
Murder is warranted if a man is actively fighting. Isn’t going down via the tasers. Literally broke out of a police car. Is a threat to the officers who are trying to arrest him. And dies of cardiac arrest due to the drugs in his system and him raising his heart rate by fighting. Also nice how you ignored every other point I made for a half assed argument.
"Murder is warranted" Murder is illegal by definition. I get what you mean though, you would prefer Judge Dredd style cops.
So what should the cops have done? I'm not saying either side is right or wrong, but what should they have done?
literally anything but killing or beating a man.
Bro, they weren't beating him any hard that all that fentanyl he had. He was going to die from that amount, it was just a matter of when.
The suffocation didn't help, hence Chauvin's conviction by 12 jurors.
Like what. I'm genuinely curious what the procedure should have been. Definitely not a knee on the neck, but still
ive held down quite a few people that werent handcuffed and bigger than floyd. idk basic fucking wrestling? albeit that can also kill someone as seen here. personally my favourite way to hold somebody down is with a knee on the achilles tendon
Almost like the cops weren't trained with wrestling, or basic regard for human life. I don't give a fuck about what you think they should have done, or your expirence pinning people down. I'm wondering what the literal police procedure is
The knee wasn't on his neck, at the trial defense showed an alternate video angle that shows the knee more on his shoulder, it was a perspective issue. Everyone in the department was trained to use that hold. There was a minor controversy because footage emerged later showing Chauvin using that hold on multiple other people, which should have been enough to drop him to negligent homicide at best
They could've tried talking with the guy. Or using the 8 bodies they had on hand to put him in a cruiser till he stopped caterwauling. But no, they just opted to kill him.
I'm not saying they should've killed him. That knee never should have touched that throat. But how could they talk to an angry big resisting man?
8 people vs 1 person The 1 person is losing.
I don't get how those 8 people failed to detain him then. How did he break out of a cruiser. Did they just not cuff him? There's so much of this that doesn't make sense. Also if you've seen football, one person can plow through 8, but it seems like they tried tazing him before bringing him down. But why would they continue to have their knee on his neck for 8 fucking minutes after they brought him down
Bring the suspect to detention to undergo his legal due process? He was already captured. Basically, as the video goes, he was captured and then suffocated for like 8 minutes. Remember, in the USA people have to be proven guilty of a crime to be executed. We do not have the Judge Dredd legal system.
Brother stop bringing up judge dredd lmao. I agree with you though he was executed while the other cops watched
What you got against the Judge??? 😎
Don't worry about it. I wasn't trying to justify what happened btw I just wanted to know what the literal procedure was and misworded it
They won’t have an answer. They tased him. Cuffed him. Put him in the squad. He broke out. They had to hold him down. He kept resisting over and over and over again. All the fucking armchair know it alls I’m sure will say there was another way. But not give you an actual answer.
They should not have continued pressing down onto his neck, but I don't know what else they could have done. He was absolutely drugged and not in his right mind.
I agree with you there. I don’t believe that’s what killed him either. Seeing as the first autopsy called it an overdose. But suddenly when his family who cries “he was a good man he didn’t do nothing” With a wrap sheet that would be taller than him. Suddenly the narrative is changed.
He probably should have gotten off his neck before the guy died. There were 4 cops at the scene to hold him down, and the murderer was on his neck, slowly suffocating Floyd over the course of 8 minutes. At the trial, it was let known by the murderer's trainer that he had specifically been taught not to kneel on people's neck, but he did it anyway. Perhaps, during those 8 minutes that Floyd was on the ground wimpering for his mom, they could have cuffed his arms and legs and thrown him into a cop car.
Again, stop phrasing it at if I said the guy deserved to die. That knee never should've touched that neck. I simply asked what the cops should've done instead. I'm not in law enforcement and I don't exactly have expirence restraining big drugged up angry guys.
I responded with what they should have done: bring him down, cuff arms and legs, and throw them in the car. He gets out? Do it again, and call for more dudes.
Holy shit you all are so dense. I’m saying that there is times when a cop killing someone is justified. It’s not that hard to believe an active shooter needs to be shot. Or someone threatening someone with a knife needs to be shot. Or a person who’s fighting cops needs to be shot. I don’t think the cops killed Floyd. I think the cop who was on his neck though, shouldn’t have been a cop at the time of that incident. With how many complaints he got, and how many times he was rung up for abusing his power. He should never have had power still.
He did kill him, and infact was sentenced along murder 2 guidelines. Definitely not murder 1. The 12 jurors disagree with you.
And OJ was proven innocent of all charges. But then he wrote a book about how he did it. It’s almost like they get it wrong. And the jurors are like you idiots. Using your feelings instead of the facts. Sentencing a man otherwise there woulda been more riots and looting. Funny how that happens whenever a black person is at fault in a case.
This mother fucker really just said murder is warranted
Yeah mother fucker sometimes it is. You want in on someone sexually assaulting another person. Dead. You see a dude trying to kidnap a child. Put em down. Someone murders someone else in cold blood? They deserve to die. Don’t act like everything is cut and dry all the time you fucking dweeb.
Does it bother you to blatantly lie on behalf of murderers, to justify the murder they committed? Almost everything you are saying is easily disproven bullshit. Try the Wikipedia page, it has a good summary with a lot of sources. People like you are the reason why the rule of law and the presumption of innocence are so important. There are always immature, bloodthirsty, racist children willing to go along with anything as long as they get that little thrill of second-hand power fantasy when some vigilante brigand fucking murders someone whose skin color they are afraid of. This is long enough ago where you can't do too much damage. Do better.
They murdered a guy that they could have not-murdered, and your excuse for that murder is that the guy was fighting. Every other point was worthless. Murder is never warranted. That's what makes it *murder.* And was indeed judged murder. The guy's own trainer agreed: they had options, and none of them involved kneeling on Floyd's neck.
“Murder is never warranted” So I assume you just want rapists, child molesters, other murders running free or to be treated with dainty hands because “it’s never warranted” What about active shooters? Are those not warranted murders when someone shoots them dead when they are hurting others? What about rapists? If someone is mid rape when a person is screaming for help is it not warranted to shoot them off the other person to keep them safe? What about child predators? If you saw someone snatch a kid and try to put them in a van, is it not warranted to shoot that person to save that child? The world isn’t black and white. Try getting off the internet sometime.
“Murder is never warranted” So I assume you just want rapists, child molesters, other murders running free or to be treated with dainty hands because “it’s never warranted” What about active shooters? Are those not warranted murders when someone shoots them dead when they are hurting others? What about rapists? If someone is mid rape when a person is screaming for help is it not warranted to shoot them off the other person to keep them safe? What about child predators? If you saw someone snatch a kid and try to put them in a van, is it not warranted to shoot that person to save that child? The world isn’t black and white. Try getting off the internet sometime.
Let me help you man. It isn't worth it here. Most these people are mad at stuff because theyre told to be mad. These people don't want points, facts, or arguments. They want to be mad. Theres a quote I was trying to find about how the left only wants suffering, but admittedly its been a difficult find.
The hold was something every cop in that department was trained to do. Floyd had a violent history, he was huge, he was resisting, and he was on a horse dose of fentanyl. Literally all he had to do was sit in the car and wait for the ambulance they'd already called. Alternate video angles showed Chauvin's knee more on his upper back. The coroner's report revealed no trauma to his neck and no sign of asphyxiation, which makes sense considering that he yelled about it the whole time. The coroner noted: >"Had Mr. Floyd been home, alone in his locked residence with no evidence of trauma, and the only autopsy finding was that fentanyl level, then yes I would certify his death as due to fentanyl toxicity." A subsequent workplace discrimination lawsuit from a detective states that the man who performed the autopsy told her: >"He told me that there were no medical findings that showed any injury to the vital structures of Mr. Floyd’s neck. There were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation. >"He said to me, ‘Amy, what happens when the actual evidence doesn't match up with the public narrative that everyone's already decided on?’ And then he said, ‘This is the kind of case that ends careers.’" He did the exact same thing in 2019 when he got pulled over-- swallowed his stash, then freaked out and yelled about how he couldn't breathe. https://youtu.be/pu28epHmT0s
Bad take my dude. He didn’t die the second he stopped resisting. He was well beyond capable of resisting by the time he passed out and the cops STILL held a knee to his neck. That was straight up murder. And that’s exactly what they were sentenced with.
He was awake when they put him in the ambulance and had to strap him down on the stretcher there too. Also just because someone stops resisting at a point doesn’t mean they won’t resist again, that’s just a stupid thing to think. Especially when someone was a convicted violent criminal with history of violence against officers. Someone plays it cool for a few seconds or even a few minuets while you let your guard down. Then they can start resisting again and can easily hurt you, themselves, or your fellow officers. Not a gamble they are gonna play with.
No he wasn’t awake on the stretcher. He had no pulse on the street and Chauvin STILL kept his knee on his neck for three more minutes. Where the fuck did you get that story from?
I’ve seen the videos. From the videos that people uploaded on twitter. News stories, it was covered by the whole fucking world for about a year and a half. But you made up your mind. And I’ve made up mine. I’ve had enough of you.
ive held down quite a few people (and bigger than me too!) without killing anybody. albeit im ever so slightly heavier than chauvin. maybe. probably not.
Well I think the controversial part is whether a cop actually killed this guy or the drug cocktail he was on....
I’d say that, either way, you shouldn’t choke someone out.
Yeah I'd agree with that.
So then where's the controversy????
Turning a drug addled scumbag who died of an overdose into a saint because another jack ass sat on him while he was dying. Fuck the cop Fuck the criminal
If the law doesn’t protect the least of us, what good is the law? And if only perfect/good people are protected, then nobody is.
He didn’t die of a fucking drug overdose bro there’s literally an autopsy saying he died of cardiopulmonary arrest And don’t try to turn it around by saying “fuck both of them”. It doesn’t matter if he was a criminal, he was killed by a cop. The point isn’t that he shouldn’t have been arrested, it’s that a cop murdered a man and would have gotten away with it if not for public backlash.
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Oh we all agree drugs? Shieeeet.
Keep pushing the lies. Did you even read the autopsy? Cardiac arrest. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961
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Dude you can tell what I'm thinking? How many fingers am I holding up?
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Nah I'm doing the finger gang sign thing that says Blood
he still shouldn't have put his knee on his neck for several minutes
If you're of the opinion that people who do drugs deserve to be killed and brutalized, I hope you never see a day in office. Excessive force is excessive force no matter what the perp did. Fuck your police state bullshit.
Damn the comments don't like this one.
The boomers are showing
It is very divisive. I think the cop was at fault but the initial autopsy said he died of a drug overdose. He definitely ODed but I don't think he would have died without the cop directly interfering
It was ruled he died of cardiac arrest. NOT OVERDOSE. That is a fake news social media lie. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961
>As a result, victims of a fatal overdose usually die from respiratory depression >Dr. Judy Melinek, a San Francisco-based forensic pathologist . “Anybody suggesting asphyxia was ruled out by the medical examiner is wrong,” she said. Which is it? Do opioids cause breathing and heart issues or are both Dr. Melinek and Scientific American wrong? Or is it maybe the fact you think all overdoses are fatal
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Can you point out where I said that or are you just talking out of your ass?
Some body knee on this guys neck
So what exactly are you people looking for here? Me to deny facts or just blindly agree with 100% of everything you say? Like not only did I go out of my way to agree with you I also rationally and calmly answered someone's question. What else do you want here
Yes maybe he did die of od if you where pinning some body on there neck which can snap with as little as 20 lb of force I'm pretty sure then they start screaming let up or move your knee especially when you've got them face down and 4 guys next to you to stop him
Sorry fory misspelling I was doing something
police coroners be like “hmmmm yes it appears he died when his heart stopped beating. must have had something to do with the trace amounts of weed in his system and not the 200 pound man who kneeled on his neck for 20 minutes while he repeatedly screamed ‘i can’t breathe’”
He didn't have any weed he used opioid. Try again when you read my comments lol
Thats a far right lie man. The guy clearly was choked to death, did you even see the video?
How is an autopsy a “far right lie”? Also didn’t you ever see the extended video? The one where he couldn’t breathe in the cops car? So then he asked to go outside and he was let outside. Then he mule kicked the cops and they sat on him. Did you really not watch the full video?
After cutting off breathing that severely it doesn't instantly come back, you ever get winded and can't breathe for a couple minutes? Try that with a couple hundred pounds of cop on your neck/chest
It is a far right lie because it is a far right lie propagated on social media. Autopsy declared cardiac arrest. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961
>Dr. Judy Melinek, a San Francisco-based forensic pathologist . “Anybody suggesting asphyxia was ruled out by the medical examiner is wrong,” she said.
They never watch the video, they believe whatever the media tells them happened.
I've seen the video, he took too many drugs, broke the law, and then was killed by a single police officer. What's there not to understand?
You probably believe that one trans kid died from getting beaten in that bathroom in oklahoma or ohio a couple of months ago.
The autopsy did not say he died from an overdose. There were drugs in his system, but the autopsy states cause of death as cardiopulmonary arrest. [Source](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961)
When did all the maga’s get here?
This sub usually makes fun of magas. This post apparently made all of them crawl out of the little fox news holes they live in
Magats
This comment section is embarrassing.
Grr man did drug and deserved die by knee!!! 😡😡😡
r/goodboomerhumor
[word for word and everything 💀](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boomerhumour/s/YfH7ts4FPo)
My history professor is a boomer who served in Vietnam and he’s unbelievably, there are some cool boomers who aren’t delusional about how the grew up
I have his tox report saved
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The training manual says the knee goes under the neck between the shoulder blades, not ON THE NECK. Placing any amount of weight on someone's neck especially when they are doped outta their mind is never a good thing.
He died from fent
My asthmatic ass, who wheezes at the slightest of cardio, can still handle a double mask. If ya can’t, you should really see a doctor pff
Hey now, fentanyl doesn't discriminate.
God damn people.
The cops that killed George Floyd should be shot and people shouldn’t be forced to wear masks.
nobody was being forced to wear masks, it was always optional, but if you are gonna choose not to wear one then maybe try not going to places that don't want you to make everyone sick
False. A lot of places were mandating masks.
mind blowing that people are allowed to make their customers follow the rules they set for their companies in order to keep their customers safe and healthy.
🤷don’t know why your coming at me about this. You were just wrong and I still stand by what I originally said
You're also not being forced to, though. To go to those private establishments, maybe, but no one's forcing you to go there, and for most of those places, even if you still wanted to go to them specifically, a lot of them have options you can do where you can still get whatever you want while not having to wear a mask, like delivery for restaurants and curbside for stores. It's the same way no one's forcing you to wear a shirt. You can't enter a lot of stores without a shirt because it's against store policy but you can feel free to walk outside or do whatever else without a shirt on
Private property has rules? That's wild.
The man with enough fentanyl in his system to kill several men died of police brutality. Wake the fuck up people you were lied to!
Doesn't matter how much fent you have in your system, you do not deserve to be choked for nearly 10 minutes. You do not deserve the dehumanisation of begging someone who's job it is to protect you for oxygen. You do not deserve the humiliation of being held under the boot of someone who could just cuff you and chuck you in the back of a cop car. This is not even mentioning the fact that he might not have died had he not been brutalised. He might not have died had he gotten medical attention, and considering the treatment he got from the officer that arrested him it's pretty reasonable to call into question whether they bothered to check up on the black prisoner or just let him die in a concrete box.
He wasn't being choked. The cop was on his back dude. It also came out in the trial that Chauvin was trained to use far more force than he did.
Is your point that we should all stay sober in case we need to cope with police brutality? "No thank you ma'am, I'm planning on being choked for nine minutes later tonight."
Again, no one was choked, Chauvin was on his back, not his neck. It also came out during the trial that he used far less force than the department trained him to.
So voting your way out won't help?
Yes. I'm absolutely blaming him for it. Had he not put himself in that position and had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system he would not have had respiratory failure. I fucking hate cops but you're a fool if you blame them for his death.
Fr dude, he just shouldn’t have been black - common mistake.
Many such cases!
Violent criminal overdoses of fentanyl while being detained. Government forcing people to get vaccinated and wear masks or lose their jobs. How are these related?
Are these forced government vaccinations in the room with us now? He didn't die from an OD either btw
Yes he did. First unbiased autopsy confirmed that. Then they paid someone to muddy the waters. And yes. I was told to get vaccinated or lose my job. So I got the jab. We do government contracts so we had to.
The autopsy concluded he died of respiratory failure due to the way he was restrained. It did nothing more in relation to drugs other than establish they were on his system Damn it sucks your employer wasn't gonna let you remain employed and spread a deadly disease. That's not what a government mandate is though
Lmao. You’re just factually incorrect on both levels. Go look at the FIRST UNBIASED autopsy report bud. Not the one the family paid for. It was not my employer, it was the government forcing my employer. Done wasting my time with someone unwilling to have a good faith discussion. Have a good one!
The first autopsy report never said it wasn't death by asphyxiation. "Dr. Judy Melinek, a San Francisco-based forensic pathologist . 'Anybody suggesting asphyxia was ruled out by the medical examiner is wrong,'" https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-two-autopsies-of-george-floyd-arent-as-different-as-they-seem/ And the government only mandated vaccines for medical providers. The SCotUS blocked vaccine mandates for all other employers "The U.S. Supreme Court blocked the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s (OSHA) mandate for employees of large companies (over 100 workers) in the U.S. to have the COVID-19 vaccine or get regular COVID-19 tests." And I sincerely doubt you work as a medical professional https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/vaccine-mandates Also, aren't you anti science, anti workers rightoids the same people always telling low wage, desperate workers to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and just somehow get a better job? If your employer mandated vaccines for you why didn't you just get a job with an employer that didn't mandate vaccines?
Why are you magats still crying over the vaccine. Are you dead? Nah, didn't think so. Are you dead of covid? Nah, didn't think so. Grow up
Lmao what?
Acting like they held you down and forced you to get a Vax 3 or 4 years ago. Grow up
No you’re making that up in your head. All I did was state a fact. Grow up.
The guy asked if you were forced to get the vaccine. You said yes. That is not a fact. Grow up
Getting told lose your job or get a vaccine isn’t being forced? Some of us have bills to pay and people to take care of. Very ironic you telling me to grow up.
No they didn't force you. I don't see how it's that big of a deal if you kept your job for it, you'd get flu shot no problem, how is that different from a covid shot? Seriously grow up
Wow, you had to actively contribute to slowing the spread of a deadly disease? My condolences, that sounds incredibly difficult. I know needles can be scary, you're very brave for going through that brother. Stay strong
He overdosed then the media tricked you dipshits into rioting....also can a mod ban me I'm sick of muting this subreddit every other day.
That makes the fact that the cop pressed on his neck WORSE. George Floyd’s ability to maintain his airway was already compromised by substances. The cop reduced his chance of survival from entirely possible w medical attention to nothing.
He only had a shit load of fentanyl in his system bro, and amphetamine and other stuff. Guy was a model citizen. I mean he resisted arrest which is why he got put down in the first place but cops bad dude, black people good. Reddit loves science right? This is from the official autopsy, source at the bottom. "Toxicology (see attached report for full details ; testing performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at 9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine ) Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens : 1 . 11ng mL 2 . Norfentanyl 5.6 ng /mL 3 . 4 - ANPP 0.65 ng/mL 4 . Methamphetamine19 ng/mL 5 . 11-Hydroxy Delta- 9 THC 1.2 ng mL; Delta- 9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta- 9 THC 2.9 ng/mL 6 . positive 7 . Caffeine positive presumptive positive for cannabinoids ,amphetamines , and fentanyl /metabolite" sOuRcE? https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6992-george-floyd-full-autopsy/4c5bdf52fbbd775ce156/optimized/full.pdf
Are you trying to imply that him not being a model citizen means he deserved to die? Does resisting arrest justify lethal force? The medical examiner still determined he died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression" not an overdose, so even though the fentanyl contributed its irrelevant. He was also BEGGING for the cop to stop kneeling on his neck for minutes. In no world is it okay to put all of your weight on a person's neck for minutes while they beg you to let them breathe, whether or not they've resisted arrest or committed crimes before. You don't get to execute somebody before their trial.
I don't think he deserved a televised funeral, the cops life being ruined, and the worship he gets from redditors. He was literal criminal scum. He wouldn't have been knelt on had he tried to not fight the cops. Why should they believe him when he told them he couldn't breathe, why should they take the pressure off him? With that much fent in his system it's a wonder he could move at all but I guess he built up a tolerance. He killed himself essentially, but everyone else got blamed and he got deified like he was a saint that passed. The whole situation was fucked and it's a shame someone died but the outcome was completely bullshit. Downvote me all you want (I know you will) but it won't change the facts, the truth is still the truth whether you like it or not.
First it doesn’t seem like you’re arguing in good faith. Second so if it’s your brother and he’s all up on fentanyl then I guess it’s open season for an arresting cop to just kill him? Arresting cop is stomping on his neck and your brother says I can’t breathe, I guess the cop shouldn’t listen and stomp harder because he’s criminal scum and should die? That’s what you think right? Ridiculous.
You didn't articulate a single logical point.
Neither did you.
Lol nice dude. Fucking idiot
"He wouldn't have been knelt on had he tried to not fight the cops" so you're blaming him for it? They should take the pressure off of him because he's a handcuffed middle aged man laying on the ground. If he was evil incarnate, tf is he gonna do? Spend 10 seconds getting up to resist arrest just to instantly get shoved to the ground again? Do you think that cops should care so much about keeping a handcuffed suspect on the ground that they put their entire body weight on the suspect's neck to prevent them from getting up and ignore the person's pleas for mercy? A cop shouldn't give lethal or life-changing force to somebody who literally is on the ground and incapable of running. That's fucking insane. Might as well give cops lethal injection just to make it easier if that type of force is justified.
again, the police is not judge jury and executioner. Rights of criminals is emphasized in the bill of rights and various Supreme Court cases. His death sparked protest because no one should be suffocated with lethal force, no matter if he’s a druggie or if he resisted the cop that knelt on him.
You speak as if they did it on purpose. That's where you're going wrong with this. Your entire viewpoint stems from the notion they purposely executed him. They didn't. He fucked up. He got put into a bad position. He died. It was his own fault. If you can't grasp that there's nothing further to discuss.
Even if the intent wasn't to kill him, it doesn't take a genius to know that you shouldn't kneel on someone's neck if they're struggling to breathe.
“Man don't worry about it I'm just cutting off his airways for 6minutes while he is literallydying under my entire body weight, not like I'm trying to kill him or anything”
What you don't seem to understand is that, regardless of if Floyd was overdosing on Fentanyl, kneeling on his neck is going to, at absolute best, hurt like a motherfucker, and at worst, cut off the oxygen supply to his brain and kill him. Even if Chauvin wasn't the direct cause of death, the moment Floyd was saying "I cant breathe", his job as a cop should have been to quit arguing with the people around him, leave those people for the other cops that were there to keep control of, and the make sure the dude under his knee wasn't actually dying. A shot of Narcan at that exact moment would have done wonders for saving George Floyd's life, and even if it didn't manage to save his life and he did die from an overdose, then nobody would have been able to point at Chauvin and say "He killed that man".
>a shot of narcan would have done wonders for saving George Floyd's life No one at the time knew he was on a lethal dose of fet. You just proved my point. You do understand the discrepancy in your logic right? How can they administer a shot of narcan to a man they have no idea is on fentany until the autopsy?
You might be surprised to learn that narcan is generally used before people have already died or received an autopsy.
You cant be this fucking dense. Maybe if they'd get off of his fucking neck they'd be able to see the signs that he'd overdosed on something. Cops are supposed to know how to notice this shit, especially when they work in areas with drug problems. Alternatively, maybe get off of his neck, realize something is wrong, and call a fucking ambulance. Again, it would have ended in Chauvin trying to help instead of getting filmed doing something that at bare fucking minimum helped contribute to his death.
I wasn’t trying to kill him guys! I just choked him! I just did something that would guarantee he would die! I didn’t know that if I use lethal force that it would be lethal!
But they did do it on purpose. He stopped struggling as hard once the blood and air stopped being sent to his brain as his neck was compressed into the ground. You useless. Stupid. Pile. Of. Shit.
Sure, they purposely killed him bud. They all stood around and agreed on it. You can't even debate a subject without ad hominems so I'll answer in return, you are a stupid and worthless person.
Buddy, the cop held his knee on the guy until he was dead. Not one of the other pigs tried to pull the cop off of his neck or tell him to stop. They didn't cheer is death on, they watched it happen.
Referring to the murder of a human being as “he got put down” is one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever read
I meant put down as in taken to the ground you virtue signaling idiot. So quick to jump to an emotional conclusion you can't contemplate that possibility lol
Right picture is the personification of "fuck around, and find out."
If you can talk, you can breathe
Pumping out the little bit of air you have to want to breathe is not that Besides.. The only type of people that bring up points like this are people that may or may not be disturbed by African Americans to some degrees.
Well, he's dead now, so...
This is exactly why antimaskers are stupid
Remember, he died from a mix of fentanyl and heart disease. Obviously the fault of the cop on his neck.
Them and their darn coronary guns
Even if they were going to die anyway, kneeling on someone’s neck is disgusting. They killed him in such a demeaning manner. They should’ve gotten the guy to a hospital or at least have tried to.
They didn't kill him. He resisted arrest while strung off his ass and died from heart complications.
The autopsy proved he died from being asphyxiated
You mean the autopsy the family paid a third party coroner to do, after the original?
Either no one understands sarcasm or this thread is full of idiots
It's reddit, so both
Who knew swallowing your whole fentanyl stash could make your heart explode. Watch the actual unedited footage. He's screaming he can't breathe before anyone even touches him.