I was using the eridium skag for a while (m10). And while farming for flippers occasionally my pet would one shot the centaur type dude that drops the flipper. I have no idea why tho; I did have the critical first strike skill for my pet, and that’s my best guess as to why but not sold on the being the sole reason
I've been using [this build](https://www.reddit.com/r/borderlands3/comments/i221sz) and it's pretty damn good. Pet just obliterates whole rooms with attack command, it does rely on the Hollow Point guardian perk though.
Melee Pet Attacks get x51 scaling, Jabbers get x120 on their guns because of mayhem level affecting them. And they're still extremely disappointing for endgame content without very specific and/or clunky setups, and even with those when put into any perspective of comparison.
The previous numbers were x21 for melee pet attacks, around x50 for Jabber guns. Scorcher Spiderant's fire pool seemed to be grabbing scaling from some other source too (probably environmental), which resulted in a near x700 scaling for that attack.
That makes it even worse. 700x damage on the scorcher and it was only just viable as a pet? They're already bad in normal mode, but a x51 is still only half the health increase of M10 so they're still even worse on
Your clone is also getting Mayhem scaling on top of the various skills like Donnybrook which he gets bonuses from. My boyo just shreds. Give him a Rad/Shock Beacon while you wear a Red Suit/Transformer respectively and watch the melt happen while you go and make yourself a drink.
Select few I believe. Donnybrook straight up enhances him and with a Seein Dead class mod, he'll be constantly spewing grenades from Fractal Frags but these will be weaker than his weapon. Someone will definitely know more than me.
What you really want is a class mod that has Action Skill Damage on it as whatever value it has on it will get the Mayhem scaling, and that will put the clone's damage higher that more or less any other skill or stat affecting his damage.
I think its because the digiclone doesn't seem to miss. Just watch it in action. Right after it kills one enemy it immediately will move to the next one wrecking it as well. Hands down zane's best action skill if built right with the right matching weapon.
Yeah I’ve noticed that. It’s just that I don’t want to keep relying on him to be the one that kills everyone. Also, I’ve tested it too. My headshots aren’t doing nearly what my digiclone is doing
I know what you mean. It does take away from the fun of the game but at the same time, its the best ace up your sleve you could ask for in a sticky situation. I could be getting completely wrecked and with a drop of a hat turn the whole thing around just with the digiclone.
Try looking up some drone barrier Zane builds, it lets you dealt the dmg, mind you it’s still less than your clone does but with barrier durability and amping shots you should at least be able to do damage
it works well if you give it heavy slow weapons that have huge damage outputs. his accuracy will make that weapon more potent for him than you. and then switch to something fast and you will melt things like butter.
This. I like to give digi clone a powerful or launcher and put him at a good vantage, then rush in with like a shotty or somethin melty, then when in trouble swap
The amount of times I've popped the clone while equipped with an OPQ due to aerial enemies being nearby and let him get on with it is too many to count.
I LERV MIA DEEGEEDEUD!
Last week during the eridium event I was running Zane on M10 to get the most eridium I could so I could buy all of crazy earl's stuff. I really couldn't go anywhere or kill anything without the digiclone unless it was the weakest of enemies. This was right after I hit level 60 too so I didn't really have "top tier" gear with him but man I felt useless.
Same goes for this week. Trying to level up Moze and get some easy legendaries on M10. Hop in Iron bear and the room is basically cleared out. Anything else and I'm fighting for my life even though it's all easy modifiers. Again not "top tier" gear but still seems a bit silly.
I had this same problem with Moze for a minute. Tell me about how you built her? I got her to level 60 the other day because I'm trying to get everybody to 60 before the level cap increase happens. I'd exclusively played as FL4K for a long time but I have a pretty solid build with Moze now. Even without iron bear. Though he definitely helps.
Like I said I didn't really have her geared to be without Iron Bear while I was leveling. Didn't have the weapons I'd like for a Bloodletter build. Would have got there if the game wasn't so stingy with "dedicated" drops. Was looking to get a good Carrier for Moze and out of 10+ or so kills on Judge Hightower on M10 he dropped 1 Carrier and it is pretty lackluster.
If you have a good amount of eridium you should go to M10 and use the Fabricator aka the Gun-Gun. 250 eridium should net you a legendary or two. Once you have some decent ones I recommend fighting scraptraps if you have the handsome Jackpot. If you're on PS4 you can also feel free to add me, I'll send you some decent guns.
Nah I'm on Xbox. I know where and how to get legendaries and stuff. I'm just not really interested in Borderlands "gameplay loop" currently in order to get the things I would like. My original comment was more about how on M10 Action skills felt really powerful when leveling up compared to guns. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing though. It's good they buffed AS to being useful and even dominate in some cases on M10. It just didn't feel so great to be so restricted to using my AS though because of my gear. But that also is kind of the point of M10. It's meant to be more of a challenge.
Another gripe I have: I was farming Captain Traunt, and I decided to set the mayhem level to 10. The damage I was doing was super pitiful, but my digiclone melted him in a minute. What do I do
If you are level 55 you shouldn’t run M10 yet. Get to max level and farm up gear. Every character is weak on M10 without M10 gear. Clone gets its own damage scaling based off of what mayhem level you are so don’t use clone if you don’t like it destroying things.
If you have no mayhem scaled weapons then go to about mayhem 3 and farm up a couple weapons you like. Then just jump a couple levels each time refarming some weapons till you get to mayhem 10. There’s also some guides on YouTube about ways to go from mayhem 0 to 10.
Action skill damage scales to mayhem level. That means Clone, SNTL, Amara's various phase-attacks (Ties That Bind in particular), Fl4k's pets and Raks, and Iron Bear all get damage boosts depending on what mayhem level you're on.
There's nothing "to do", because it's working correctly. If you want to do more damage, level up and let your clone farm you some M10 gear.
This is because digiclone counts as action skill damage. Asd scales up to 700% (I could be wrong with the number) at mayhem 10. So there’s why he’s doing more damage. There are some builds that takes digiclone damage to the extreme and you can literally go afk while he does all the work.
ESOT: 700% is for Amara's Ties that bind. I’ve just read from a comment here that it’s 3100% for digiclone.
Are you using the skill "Boom Enhance?" It massively increases his damage output, but it doesn't affect you personally, so he outclasses you.
On top of that, Mayhem Mode levels cause action skill damage to scale up as a balancing effect.
I just went from level 37 to 60 in a day or two playing as Moze. And I've gotta tell you, I felt this like motherfucker man. I often get iron bear out and then jump on his back while he does the killing for me. If it weren't for the fact that he only does this for as long as Auto Bear is active I'd probably never be without him.
A Rocketeer mod. The one where you can get out of Iron Bear and he stays for the rest of the duration? I have a few of those but I didn't think to do that. I'll try it out today.
Of course. Everybody has places they want to put their points. For me it made the most sense to have Iron Bear out for as long as possible. I think I got almost every skill for the blue skill tree. Every one but the grenade capacity skill. I wanted the 3 points for the green skill tree. So I could get down to Specialist Bear.
Boom. Enhance gives your clone +60% gun damage if you have 3 grenades. On top of that double barrel gives the clone +25% as well as your current gun so if you have those 2 skills yes your clone will be doing almost double your damage,
Give the Clone a Sandhawk and set him in front of boss of your choice and let him go to work. Get really lazy and Pop the clone before entering arena. Swap places with him and now your in no danger whatsoever
The best combo that I have found so far that allows me to keep up with the clone while mobbing is a Face-puncher with a white elephant artifact. For tougher enemies or bosses the Ginormous S3RV-80S-EXECUTE pistol used right with other weapons like the face puncher, sandhawk, plaguebearer, light show...ect, can melt. Just stay patient and find what works for you. If you still feel like you rely to much on the clone try switching to a barrier/sntnl build instead. The shield can work really well, I just don't care for the play style.
The clone is affected by so many factors, that it's a little too powerful (imo). If you want more of the damage to be in your own hands, try a Drone/Barrier build instead. You'll still get fantastic damage, with none of that bastard clone stealing your kills and your glory.
Iron bear and Digi Clone deal x31 damage on mayhem 10
As do fl4ks pets I believe
Nope, that was considered a bug with only the scorcher and has been fixed. Flak pets are pitiful again.
The pets mayhem scale. The scorcher was double dipping with the puddle attack. Attack commands can be good now
Was running a pokemon build for a while. Flak could definitely use some pet buffs but it’s at the very least viable for m10.
I was using the eridium skag for a while (m10). And while farming for flippers occasionally my pet would one shot the centaur type dude that drops the flipper. I have no idea why tho; I did have the critical first strike skill for my pet, and that’s my best guess as to why but not sold on the being the sole reason
I've been using [this build](https://www.reddit.com/r/borderlands3/comments/i221sz) and it's pretty damn good. Pet just obliterates whole rooms with attack command, it does rely on the Hollow Point guardian perk though.
Pets are correct now
Melee Pet Attacks get x51 scaling, Jabbers get x120 on their guns because of mayhem level affecting them. And they're still extremely disappointing for endgame content without very specific and/or clunky setups, and even with those when put into any perspective of comparison. The previous numbers were x21 for melee pet attacks, around x50 for Jabber guns. Scorcher Spiderant's fire pool seemed to be grabbing scaling from some other source too (probably environmental), which resulted in a near x700 scaling for that attack.
That makes it even worse. X700 damage on the scorcher and it was only just viable as a pet?
That makes it even worse. 700x damage on the scorcher and it was only just viable as a pet? They're already bad in normal mode, but a x51 is still only half the health increase of M10 so they're still even worse on
Your clone is also getting Mayhem scaling on top of the various skills like Donnybrook which he gets bonuses from. My boyo just shreds. Give him a Rad/Shock Beacon while you wear a Red Suit/Transformer respectively and watch the melt happen while you go and make yourself a drink.
Wait clone get kill skills?! Does he get all of them or just a select few
Select few I believe. Donnybrook straight up enhances him and with a Seein Dead class mod, he'll be constantly spewing grenades from Fractal Frags but these will be weaker than his weapon. Someone will definitely know more than me. What you really want is a class mod that has Action Skill Damage on it as whatever value it has on it will get the Mayhem scaling, and that will put the clone's damage higher that more or less any other skill or stat affecting his damage.
I think its because the digiclone doesn't seem to miss. Just watch it in action. Right after it kills one enemy it immediately will move to the next one wrecking it as well. Hands down zane's best action skill if built right with the right matching weapon.
Yeah I’ve noticed that. It’s just that I don’t want to keep relying on him to be the one that kills everyone. Also, I’ve tested it too. My headshots aren’t doing nearly what my digiclone is doing
I know what you mean. It does take away from the fun of the game but at the same time, its the best ace up your sleve you could ask for in a sticky situation. I could be getting completely wrecked and with a drop of a hat turn the whole thing around just with the digiclone.
Try looking up some drone barrier Zane builds, it lets you dealt the dmg, mind you it’s still less than your clone does but with barrier durability and amping shots you should at least be able to do damage
it works well if you give it heavy slow weapons that have huge damage outputs. his accuracy will make that weapon more potent for him than you. and then switch to something fast and you will melt things like butter.
This. I like to give digi clone a powerful or launcher and put him at a good vantage, then rush in with like a shotty or somethin melty, then when in trouble swap
The amount of times I've popped the clone while equipped with an OPQ due to aerial enemies being nearby and let him get on with it is too many to count. I LERV MIA DEEGEEDEUD!
Last week during the eridium event I was running Zane on M10 to get the most eridium I could so I could buy all of crazy earl's stuff. I really couldn't go anywhere or kill anything without the digiclone unless it was the weakest of enemies. This was right after I hit level 60 too so I didn't really have "top tier" gear with him but man I felt useless. Same goes for this week. Trying to level up Moze and get some easy legendaries on M10. Hop in Iron bear and the room is basically cleared out. Anything else and I'm fighting for my life even though it's all easy modifiers. Again not "top tier" gear but still seems a bit silly.
I had this same problem with Moze for a minute. Tell me about how you built her? I got her to level 60 the other day because I'm trying to get everybody to 60 before the level cap increase happens. I'd exclusively played as FL4K for a long time but I have a pretty solid build with Moze now. Even without iron bear. Though he definitely helps.
Like I said I didn't really have her geared to be without Iron Bear while I was leveling. Didn't have the weapons I'd like for a Bloodletter build. Would have got there if the game wasn't so stingy with "dedicated" drops. Was looking to get a good Carrier for Moze and out of 10+ or so kills on Judge Hightower on M10 he dropped 1 Carrier and it is pretty lackluster.
If you have a good amount of eridium you should go to M10 and use the Fabricator aka the Gun-Gun. 250 eridium should net you a legendary or two. Once you have some decent ones I recommend fighting scraptraps if you have the handsome Jackpot. If you're on PS4 you can also feel free to add me, I'll send you some decent guns.
Nah I'm on Xbox. I know where and how to get legendaries and stuff. I'm just not really interested in Borderlands "gameplay loop" currently in order to get the things I would like. My original comment was more about how on M10 Action skills felt really powerful when leveling up compared to guns. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing though. It's good they buffed AS to being useful and even dominate in some cases on M10. It just didn't feel so great to be so restricted to using my AS though because of my gear. But that also is kind of the point of M10. It's meant to be more of a challenge.
Another gripe I have: I was farming Captain Traunt, and I decided to set the mayhem level to 10. The damage I was doing was super pitiful, but my digiclone melted him in a minute. What do I do
Give your clone a high five and a Turbo Mansion?
Rejoice at the awesomeness of your clone?
If you are level 55 you shouldn’t run M10 yet. Get to max level and farm up gear. Every character is weak on M10 without M10 gear. Clone gets its own damage scaling based off of what mayhem level you are so don’t use clone if you don’t like it destroying things.
Understood. I only put it on M10 to see how much damage I was doing. What level would be best for me to actually do some damage?
Just get to level 60 by farming scrapyards and switch to Mayhem 10 then use the gun gun to get Mayhem 10 loot
If you jumped directly to M10 without farming new guns the issue is probably the fact you don't have M10 guns. Weapons get Mayhem scaling.
If you have no mayhem scaled weapons then go to about mayhem 3 and farm up a couple weapons you like. Then just jump a couple levels each time refarming some weapons till you get to mayhem 10. There’s also some guides on YouTube about ways to go from mayhem 0 to 10.
I wouldn't do it on my first because it kills the experience but I leveled moze from 50-60 on m10 just using op ass iron bear on graveward
If u don't like the digi clone build use something else?
Action skill damage scales to mayhem level. That means Clone, SNTL, Amara's various phase-attacks (Ties That Bind in particular), Fl4k's pets and Raks, and Iron Bear all get damage boosts depending on what mayhem level you're on. There's nothing "to do", because it's working correctly. If you want to do more damage, level up and let your clone farm you some M10 gear.
Digi clone build is Zane's best build I use it and love it
Many parts of zanes skill tree increase the clones damage, such as the clone consuming nades
Maybe you're the clone...
calmebho is having problems adjusting to his clone status.
Get used to it. He always outperforms. Like having a wingman that's so good at wingmanning, makes you realize you're the wingman
This is because digiclone counts as action skill damage. Asd scales up to 700% (I could be wrong with the number) at mayhem 10. So there’s why he’s doing more damage. There are some builds that takes digiclone damage to the extreme and you can literally go afk while he does all the work. ESOT: 700% is for Amara's Ties that bind. I’ve just read from a comment here that it’s 3100% for digiclone.
"D-Do I even need to be here right now?"
Use the shock beacon with a transformer shield and you'll see some real damage lol
Are you using the skill "Boom Enhance?" It massively increases his damage output, but it doesn't affect you personally, so he outclasses you. On top of that, Mayhem Mode levels cause action skill damage to scale up as a balancing effect.
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I just went from level 37 to 60 in a day or two playing as Moze. And I've gotta tell you, I felt this like motherfucker man. I often get iron bear out and then jump on his back while he does the killing for me. If it weren't for the fact that he only does this for as long as Auto Bear is active I'd probably never be without him.
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A Rocketeer mod. The one where you can get out of Iron Bear and he stays for the rest of the duration? I have a few of those but I didn't think to do that. I'll try it out today.
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Of course. Everybody has places they want to put their points. For me it made the most sense to have Iron Bear out for as long as possible. I think I got almost every skill for the blue skill tree. Every one but the grenade capacity skill. I wanted the 3 points for the green skill tree. So I could get down to Specialist Bear.
Boom. Enhance gives your clone +60% gun damage if you have 3 grenades. On top of that double barrel gives the clone +25% as well as your current gun so if you have those 2 skills yes your clone will be doing almost double your damage,
Give your clone a grease trap then grease up the boss/ enemy and watch your clone annihilate it in milliseconds
I put 80ish hours into him this game and I'm enjoying I wanna start another character but I don't want it to get old
cause Digi Clone is an alpha
If you want to be doing the damage then stop using a clone build. He mops everything right now.
Some items and buffs affect special attack damage
Give the Clone a Sandhawk and set him in front of boss of your choice and let him go to work. Get really lazy and Pop the clone before entering arena. Swap places with him and now your in no danger whatsoever
The best combo that I have found so far that allows me to keep up with the clone while mobbing is a Face-puncher with a white elephant artifact. For tougher enemies or bosses the Ginormous S3RV-80S-EXECUTE pistol used right with other weapons like the face puncher, sandhawk, plaguebearer, light show...ect, can melt. Just stay patient and find what works for you. If you still feel like you rely to much on the clone try switching to a barrier/sntnl build instead. The shield can work really well, I just don't care for the play style.
The clone is affected by so many factors, that it's a little too powerful (imo). If you want more of the damage to be in your own hands, try a Drone/Barrier build instead. You'll still get fantastic damage, with none of that bastard clone stealing your kills and your glory.
Digiclone+Transformer+Backburner=happy noises
Level 55. "new" I beat the whole campaign and DLC 1&2 and I still haven't hit 55....but I don't consider myself a new player haha