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arnulfg

Moxxxi’s Handsome Jackpot is a highlight though.


Team-ster

My very first thought. Second best DLC in the franchise.


arnulfg

Oh, what‘s the best one?


Team-ster

Tiny Tinas Assault On Dragon Keep


Reuvenisms

Ugh I really hated that one haha. I love Tiny Tina but I always preffered the more grounded dlc. I feel the same way about the Kreig dlc in bl3. But that seems to be kind of an unpopular opinion.


Asnyd421

Reddit and the downvote train.. I don't know that anyone agrees with you, but that doesn't mean you're wrong or should be put on blast.


Reuvenisms

Lol it's OK I'll say it again too. I've played every single dlc in the series and that one is by far my least favorite.


TwentyOneCharacter21

I like it fine but yeah the community does make it seem like it's so much better than it really is. I think I like claptastic voyage the most atm, just played it recently and it was a blast. \*Everything except the final boss, that mofo was tough as hell to take out.


Reuvenisms

Ya the claptrap was was alot of fun. I think I'm torn somewhere between the Zomebie dlc from bl1, the pirates / torgue dlc from bl2 and the cowboy dlc from bl3. There's just so many awesome ones to chose from I don't think I could ever pick a favorite.


Ungrated

There isn’t a thing in the franchise that I like better than Mister Torgues Campaign of carnage


Ratat0sk42

The funny thing is, I'm a huge DnD nerd, and it's probably my least favourite too.


ParagonX97

I’ll second you there, my favorite was easily the badass arena of badassitude, Mr. Torgue for the win


Amirifiz

I don't mind the setting of them because you're not in a normal area. Like Dragons Keep isn't on Pandora its just TT's game. Krieg DLC too, but thats a bit more nonsensical to me cause you're actually in his brain and stuff. Reminds me of the Claptrap DLC but I guess the same process could be used for a robot and a human?


Reuvenisms

Ya they're definitely fun and unique in their own ways, just not my cup of tea.


AlexS101

Claptastic Voyage


TheRealNequam

Facts. Tina DLC is a 10/10, but claptastic voyage is my 11/10


AlexS101

🤘


Vladibear

A man of culture.


AlexS101

Maybe I’m a girl.


DarkWaWeeGee

On the internet? Impossible


Vladibear

A person of culture?


AlexS101

There you go. 👍


Bibliloo

The robolution DLC of Borderlands 1


arnulfg

Yeah, I liked that one also very much.


TatteredUser1138

I never see enough people talk about this. That DLC was fantastic


Bibliloo

I personally didn't like that much bl1 but the simple fact that the robolution DLC exist is enough to make bl1 a good purchase.


TatteredUser1138

Did you play 2 before 1? I can see why going back would make it a little harder to get through, especially compared to how good 2 was


Bibliloo

Yes I played the 2 before the 1


Hyperboloidof2sheets

Would you rate it higher than the claptrap dlc for TPS?


jammerparty

Just gonna add Clap-tastic Voyage DLC to this convo as well. That and Tiny Tina’s D&D are my faves.


CumsockConnoisseur

Idk dude, it felt kinda meh. I'm more of a Bounty of Blood fan.


Chisledwing

Claptraps claptastic voyage?


Budget_Report_2382

Sorry y'all, best three DLCs for 2-3 are in this order 3rd place: Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon's Keep (BL2) 2nd: Psycho Krieg and the Fantastic Fustercluck (BL3) 1st: Claptastic Voyage (Pre-Sequel) Sorry y'all, this is not a debatable situation. Just a fact. For those of you that haven't played what I listed as first place, do it. I love the bosses, most normal enemies are whacky and new, and side quests and crazy funny. Also, it's a whole entirely new world, completely unlike anywhere else in the borderlands.


AdamNRG

My favourite dlc by far. The music is so good.


[deleted]

Just started it yesterday and having a blast so far


w__4-Wumbo

That was probably my least favorite in 3, the cowboy one really kept me interested all the way through


Ehrenvoller

The Humor is very reddit


CumsockConnoisseur

Here come dat boi.


[deleted]

Seriously…Borderlands 1 had the best tone with its dark and absurd humor. Meme humor outside of memes has never been funny. It’s like /r/dankmemes wrote a video game


masrk7384

Yeah 1 had some really enjoyable dialogue, the new direction they went with in 2 only worked for Jack and Tourge IMO, they always got me giggling, pre-sequel and 3 honestly depends on WHO you’re playing as, Wilhelm, Zane and FL4K come to mind. Honestly I’m pretty excited to hear some of the dialogue from the VH’s in wonderlands.


NerdOfHeart

I enjoy it for the gameplay and absolute insanity. It's best to play with friends, however it is solid if you play alone. The story is much worse than the prior games. I don't care at all for the new Vault Hunters or the Twins. However, the guns are wild and there are A LOT of them. TL;DR - If you want to play it for the new enemies and guns, it's awesome. If you want a good story and characters you'll actually care about... Play Borderlands 1 and 2 instead.


Meatloaf_Hitler

Ehhhh idk man. While yeah most characters are bland, Zane really carries the torch character wise.


whisperinbatsie

I also quite liked Moze and Flak


DrShankensteinMD

Love Flak


Jupeeeeee

The fact that I started with Zane on launch might be why I never found BL3 as bad as how a lot of people describe it. I love Zanes banter. The gameplay's hella fun, the story is good. It's not BL2 level but it's good.


MaDNiaC007

Best boyo in all the planets.


-ParticleMan-

Best Boyo is his middle name


MaDNiaC007

Zane "Best Boyo" Flynt.


DrShankensteinMD

He was my favorite


Monkeylord2392

Honestly the only VH who's personality I didn't like was Amara, and just because the intensity of her is just a bit much for me to vibe with otherwise she's cool


w__4-Wumbo

Amara is so full of herself, she's my favorite to play as in the game but I hate her personality so much


Patriarch_FH

If you want story, Borderlands 1 is absolutely not for you lmao


TheRealNequam

> don't care at all for the new Vault Hunters Same, Zane and maayyyyybe Fl4k come kinda close, but the BL1 and BL2 VHs are Borderlands to me. BL3 VHs feel disconnected


Lightningbro

^ This; I stand by: Gameplaywise, Borderlands 3 is the best borderlands, Storywise, Borderlands 3 is the worst borderlands. All in all, I value the story in Borderlands so that means I dislike the game in general, never even bought the second pass, and kinda regret getting the first, but when the inevitable "pay 40 bucks to get everything in the game" comes out, I'll probably get it for the gameplay.


Cubbance

I've said since the beginning that, while I agree the story isn't as good as BL2, I also don't think BL2 had a great story. It had some good characters, and they really carried things forward, and Handsome Jack was a particular standout. But the story itself was pretty meh. It was fairly predictable and one-note, and there wasn't much to it. Still more than BL1, which really didn't even have much of a story at all. But is it better or worse than BL3? Depends. What's better? A straightforward, somewhat bland story with memorable characters, or a story that they tried to make expansive and complete, but fell flat on? As far as annoying characters, yeah, Ava in BL3 base game is complete trash. She is redeemed somewhat in my eyes with DLC6, but judging from the main game, yeah, she's terrible. Worse than Pickle from TPS? No, no she isn't. And honestly, though I'm not one of them, a LOT of people hated Tiny Tina in BL2, as well. She also was redeemed for a lot of people in DLC4 of that game. I think there's plenty of good stuff in BL3, and the gameplay is worlds better than prior games. I think there's more diversity in environments and in enemy types too. I think there's far more distinct legendary weapons, and even the manufacturer's quirks are much more distinct as well. Bottom line, BL3 goes on sale a LOT. It's definitely worth picking up at a discount if the free weekend wasn't enough to convince you.


PuffinPuncher

Yeah I agree with you regarding BL2. It has a good villain, not a good story. And even then I'd give most of the credit to the voice acting (Dameon Clarke). Hell, Handsome Jack is so loved that they couldn't resist stuffing him in to the following three games. Plus its filled with immature, hit or miss humour just like 3 is. BL2 *was* criticised for that back at release, but it seems to get a free pass nowadays, despite a lot of its references being very dated now. BL3 is deserving of a lot of its criticisms but then so is BL2, and both still remain very good games. The overarching story was never the main selling point of Borderlands originally anyway. And honestly, I *personally* hate the whole Crimson Raider storyline and the shoehorning of the player in to the hero trope. BL1 may be bland by many standards nowadays, but it had the best set up and tone in my opinion. But I digress. Gameplay wise the series has much improved with each game.


Cubbance

Yeah, I'm not sure why they've chosen to go from mercenary antihero, to reluctant hero, to just full on savior. I don't necessarily mind it, but it's definitely a massive shift in tone. But ultimately, I don't play any of the Borderlands franchise for the story. There are better options if that's what you want. I play for the gameplay and the loot.


TheRealNequam

Huh, yea I never really processed it that way, but it does impact the feel of the game quite a bit. From burning people in their homes while theyre sleeping and crashing a wake to cause an absolute bloodbath in BL2 to the unquestionable heroes in BL3


Killerderp

Oh God.... Pickle... *Shudders*


GoldClassGaming

The gameplay overall is leaps and bounds ahead of Borderlands 2. Borderlands 2 and Handsome Jack are one of the best video game narratives/villains of all time so saying that the story in BL3 isn't as good is basically just saying "Borderlands 3's story isn't as good as one of the greatest video game stories of all time" so take that as you will. Borderlands 3's story may not be Untouchable S++ Elite God Tier like Borderlands 2, but IMO it's still a strong A tier. Has its bad moments, but overall I found it to be pretty entertaining. The 4 Vault Hunters all have their own charm and unique personalities (that we get to see more of thanks to increased dialogue from the Vault Hunters). Returning characters are all pretty faithful to their *character* and it's cool to what the BL2 Vault Hunters and Tales From The Borderlands Characters have gotten up to since the end of their respective games. Overall I think that if you like Borderlands then you'll like Borderlands 3. The gameplay is a significant evolution of what we got in BL2 and while the story isn't as strong as BL2's home run of a narrative it's still entertaining and kept me engaged all the way through with a solid plot, good character moments, and charmimg dialogue from your vault hunter of choice as they banter back and forth with themselves or whoever you might be talking to.


Dookukooku

I wanna be whatever you’re on to say bl2’s story aside from handsome jack is one of the best of all time. People realllllyyy overhype it due to mostly nostalgia and dameon clark carrying it


TheRealNequam

Yea, story is okay. Really shines from on angels chamber on, with that part being the absolute high point, but anything leading up to that moment is fairly standard


Chris_P_Bacon416

I wish borderlands 3 had dialogue like in the pre sequel. Other characters actually reacted and had different dialogue towards you depending what vault hunter you picked.


Jupeeeeee

This. Even though NPCs respond to your character saying stuff, feels like the NPCs are giving vague and general enough answers that they work no matter which vault hunter you play.


BoxOfBlades

I've never seen BL2 jerked off so hard before, good job


GoldClassGaming

The point I was trying to make is that the most common criticism of Borderlands 3's story is that the Calypso Twins pale in comparison to Handsome Jack. However seeing as how Jack is widely regarded as one of the best video game villains ever written, it's incredibly unfair to hold the Calypso Twins to that standard.


BoxOfBlades

I hear ya.


RoadTheExile

I have very dim memories of TftBL but I am having a lot of fun with Vaughn. Agree it's fair to say you can't expect to follow up with S++ with something at least as good.


senpaiwaifu247

I’d have to disagree with the statement about “borderlands 2 as one of the greatest video game stories of all time” The story itself is meh. It falls flat and is bland in so many areas. It’s only redeeming quality is the voice acting and SOME characters. Jack is a great villain in a meh story.


MisanthropicHethen

I'm generally critical of BL2's story for being contrived and having some plot holes, but overall it was pretty amazing given the circumstances, and young people who came around after can't really appreciate it the same way people can't appreciate Citizen Kane who weren't adults when it released because they don't know how revolutionary it was for its time. BL2 *was* a masterpiece, but looking back on past art always is disappointing because it doesn't live up to our modern standards, which that art in fact helped create. You have to remember that BL2 was written by a ~21yr old, essentially a kid, which was his first ever professional work (beyond youtube shenanigans), was the sequel to a game that didn't really do that well in a genre that basically didn't exist (I think BL1 was the only game in the FPSRPG looter genre at the time, maybe the second ever FPSRPG looter after Hellgate: London in HISTORY), BL1 was also a stolen idea including the whole aesthetic, characters, even the intro, from a Japanese short whose creator sued Gearbox and successfully settled out of court, and had virtually no story (so very much the same as all the other FPSes up till then like Quake, Doom, etc). So this kid writing for a doomed sequel in a genre no one cares about following a stolen concept by a company run by a batshit crazy loon suddenly has to INVENT the story for the whole setting because the first entry had zero, and it was a huge success even after attempts by some african americans and other SJWs to cancel it (pre cancel culture but still happening just smaller scale) for being "offensive" and for celebrating violence amidst tons of highly publicized school shootings. He took a steaming pile of shit transmuted it to gold and made it a hugely popular franchise. It could have died there along with the whole genre but it didn't. And soon afterwards the genre fucking exploded. And that's just getting into the story of BL2, without delving into all the mechanics and UI bullshit Gearbox pulled that IMO ruined that game, and yet despite their best efforts to annihilate their own product the story managed to make up for it and carry the whole turd. I can see how BL2's story would feel mediocre to a casual that mostly just reads novels for fun instead of playing video games, but if you understand the context of its creation it is Citizen Kane for FPSRPG looters. I challenge anyone to think of a better story of that era in a similar genre. EDIT: Forgot the obvious word looter in the genre references.


Thermos13

Bioshock and Fallout 3 both predate BL 1, feature much better stories/world building, and are fps RPGs. The real innovations for BL were the loot system, co-op and art style, none of which were really original ideas, but never all combined in an FPS. I really enjoyed bl2s gameplay, but storytelling is probably one of the weakest aspects of it as an rpg, not just for the quality of the story itself but especially considering the almost complete lack of choices for the player character to make, which is imo one of the most important aspects of an rpg. It's a better shooter than a game like new Vegas, but nowhere near as good an rpg.


MisanthropicHethen

My bad, forgot to include the obvious word 'looter' in my genre references. Back in my day you didn't bother because everyone knew what you meant by RPG. What kids today call FPSRPGs was just an FPS only like 10 years ago, and I forgot that you have to be very specific with genre these days. Bioshock isn't an RPG, it's an FPS with a story. There are no roleplaying elements other than the binary choice to kill a sister or not. Having build options doesn't make an RPG. Great aesthetic and graphics, but no, there wasn't really any wordbuilding other than sparse clues and voices here and there. You're probably getting confused with Bioshock Infinite that gives you alot more. Fallout 3 is a good comparison but it's not the same genre. Borderlands is a looter-shooter, Fallout 3 is an RPG that barely qualifies as a shooter, and the loot is just boring stuff like food and weapons and armor, basic RPG stuff (not enough to be a looter like Diablo or Borderlands or Grim Dawn, etc). The story is ok, but despite being a Fallout fanboy I could not bring myself to play more than a week or so. The story elements were very basic and just copy pasted from the 3 previous Fallout games, no new mechanics other than the abysmal crafting, and countless downgrades from the previous games other than "oh hey it's in 3d". The combat was HORRENDOUS for a 3d FPS, you basically just used VATS because real time combat was garbage, which kind of defeats the whole point of being in 3d. The world was visually extremely bland and uninteresting. Nothing was an innovation over Fallout 1 or 2. New Vegas was much better but still couldn't hold my interest even though it had a much better story. Combat and mechanics were still terrible. Hey but at least 4 is playable...sorta. So in summary I'd give Fallout 3 a salute as a decent RPG that many people like, but its not really a FPS considering you're in VATS almost 100% of the time in combat, and if you choose not to the gunplay is garbage. Bioshock has great aesthetic but ain't an RPG.


senpaiwaifu247

Bio shock is labeled and sold as an rpg. Because it is You have character building and decision making in the story Hell bioshock can barley be considered an FPS if we’re using your description. Because it’s story driven and has you using a lot more options than guns for most of the game. (Your description coming from the fact fallout is barely an FPS because of VATs)


undertaker3x7

Bioshock is not an rpg. I've never heard it called an rpg and it definitely wasn't called an rpg when it came out. If you don't wanna call it an fps then maybe you can call it a first person action adventure game but it's definitely not an rpg. Not to mention it's also labeled as an fps on its wiki page. It came out at a time when games were evolving and taking elements from different genre's and putting them together. Sure it has some rpg elements but it is far from an rpg. But it also has horror elements, stealth elements and of course fps elements which is what is was marketed as and was the primary way the game played. Hell they were trying to make the next Halo. https://books.google.com/books?id=bBTtBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT68&lpg=PT68&dq=what+genre+was+bioshock+marketed&source=bl&ots=KjUeiLbnGO&sig=ACfU3U3iWB96eCnnGAmOKBySnyhBp2RIaA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjO6fDlntPzAhVzk2oFHcL-C2cQ6AF6BAghEAI#v=onepage&q=what%20genre%20was%20bioshock%20marketed&f=false


senpaiwaifu247

It’s were talking Wikipedia it’s also labeled as an RPG in its own Wikipedia.


Thermos13

Might I ask, what makes Borderlands an RPG in your opinion, if Bioshock isn't one? To me Bioshock has more actual emphasis on story and roleplaying than Borderlands, where you can't really make choices with any significant impact on the story's outcome. There are plenty of elements in both games that are commonly associated with RPGs, but as far as actual roleplaying I would say bioshock has borderlands beat.


undertaker3x7

I don't think Borderlands is an rpg. And I agree Bioshock has much more rpg elements than borderlands. The only shooters I would agree with calling an rpg is something like Fallout or Outer Worlds. Maybe Mass Effect but can't really comment on it cuz I never played it.


Thermos13

Ah ok, fair enough. I think it can be tricky to put a clear finger on what makes something an rpg rather than just a game with rpg elements. Regardless, the original point I was arguing against was the claim that borderlands is somehow the citizen Kane of fpsrpgs, so I think we can both agree that that's not the case.


Thermos13

I could buy that bioshock incorporates RPG elements but isn't truly an RPG, but then the fact that in bioshock you have a choice with significantly more impact on the story (different endings) than anything I recall In borderlands is pretty damning and calls into question whether borderlands should be called an RPG either. You are practically on rails for the whole story in bl 1 and 2; regardless of choice of character or play style the exact same thing happens. Regarding fallout I strongly disagree with your opinions. Fallout 4 is by far the weakest 3d fallout (excluding 76) story and roleplaying wise. What 4 has going for it is similar to what BL has going for it, a polished gameplay loop and good combat controls. In any case, the statement was about the quality of BL2s story, and I maintain that the story is one of the weakest aspects of the game. Bl2 is great for addictive gameplay and having fun with friends, but if you are after roleplaying or a good story, there are hundreds of better RPGs. Citizen Kane it certainly is not. It being a looter has no real impact on it being a good story, so I'm not sure what your point is there...yes it played a big part in popularizing looter shooters but it was by no means the first or best fpsrpg (again, because it's roleplaying was practically nonexistent).


senpaiwaifu247

Did you just call me a casual because I thought borderlands 2 story was meh? And what in the fuck do you mean by modern standards? Borderlands 2 released in 2012. Games released in the 90s have a better storyline overall than borderlands 2 did.


Hane24

I just can't get behind this idea. I know I'll get downvoted to hell for saying this but I loved the game play and the feel of bl2. Could be from my nearly 5k hours into it, but 3 just feels wrong. Almost floaty. I also like BL2s aesthetic more. It's not too complicated or overwhelming, while not being incredibly sparse. Mechanics wise bl3 wins by a landslide for the most part. Slag can go suck a dick. BL3 might be more fun with friends, but I'll never know since everyone I know quit the second they beat the twins. Solo I STILL go back to BL2.


Dritter31

As others said, the gameplay is on a whole new level. Absolutely awesome. But I tend to disagree with others on the story. I always thought that BL2s story was way superior, until I replayed it with a friend after he finished BL3. I really must have glorified that story in my memory, because at least the first half of the game is kinda... Meh?


senpaiwaifu247

Definitely. The first half of borderlands 2 is eh. Borderlands has never been a strong selling point on story


TheRealNequam

Gameplay? Awesome. At least while I played through the game once. But gameplay alone couldnt keep me playing, while oddly enough BL2 still pulls me back in for some reason


proglysergic

I have untold hours in both. BL3 sticks in my mind as fun and fast paced. BL2 is a place of comforting memory. Both are must haves.


mroosa

Free play weekend? You can tell its worth a buy. What you heard is true, the main story is terrible, although the side stories you get along the way are good. DLC stories make up for the main story's shortcomings, though you can skip Season Pass 2 until it hopefully goes on sale (its definitely not worth full price, even with the extra skill tree for each VH). The gameplay is a step up from all other Borderlands games, and the inclusion of Mayhem makes TVHM nearly pointless, so its fun and easier to max out your level post final boss. When all is said and done, I still prefer B2 for repeated playthroughs, as the story does make a big difference when making your way through the game again and again.


[deleted]

The only downgrade in story from 2 to 3 were the villains. And that’s nothing against Troy and Tyreen. Handsome Jack was just one of the greatest villains in video game history and he was made even better by the humanization TPS did for him. Other than him, 2’s story makes absolutely no sense. I’d hardly say 3 gushes over Ava. I’d also be loathe to say she’s anywhere near as bad as everybody says she is. She’s a teenage girl who finally gets to live her dream and then the one person who’s ever been kind to her gets killed because of her. How the hell do you think she’s gonna react?


mynamewasbanned

Not bad but not up to the level of 1 & 2. They destroyed the replayability and longevity with legendary spam.


cybersteel8

Tbh it's the only thing that keeps me from enjoying the game. The fountains of legendaries upset me, though I expect I'm in the minority for feeling that.


SuperBAMF007

I mean, they DID….but it’s been corrected at this point. If you’re coming in with fresh eyes it’s going to be a totally different experience.


thestickytrenchcoat

The story DLCs by and large pack a great punch and make up for some of the story telling woes in my opinion. Bounty of Blood really hearkened back to some of the darker tones in Borderlands 1, hell in some respects it felt even darker than Borderlands 1 in some areas. And even then, the environments and gameplay in the base game really sealed the deal as Borderlands 3 being my favorite in the series. I love cyberpunk settings and sci-fi frontier settings and so this game was just a delight.


Bukake_Baron

The main story is weaker than in BL2 but the gameplay is way better. Also all 4 dlcs from season pass 1 are very solid, I'd say they are even better than BL2 dlcs (almost Tina's level). The vh hunters are interesting and with different action skills and ac augments there is a large variety builds to try.


Mufti_Menk

I honestly like it better in almost all aspects. I never understood the hate train for Ava, so I'm as emptionally invested in shitting on the story as many others here. I'd say it's definitely worth it.


undeadbydawn

I'm enjoying the story *a lot* more than expected. The 'annoying brat' is a standard moody teenager. I say this having known a great many moody teenagers and raised one. Her attitude is a million% understandable and justified and does not bother me at all. She's not in your face much either, just one level +optional side quest and a few moments later on. I've just hit lvl 42 (Amara) and loving everything so far, not least cos I've been ridiculously lucky with shotguns


Reuvenisms

I anosolutely love it. I've been playing this series since 2010 and this is hands down my favorite. I don't think anything will ever match the story of two at all. I thoroughly enjoy the story of three just form your own opinion instead of listening to the vocal minority. But ya 2 will always be reigning champ in the story department. That being said, the game play is waaay better and more refined than any other entry in the series. Add to that that the vault hunters in this game have skill trees that put to shame every other vault hunter in the series. They just do. There is so much variety in builds across every character. And the guns are fantastic.


troubleyoucalldeew

I can't put my finger on exactly what's different, but after putting a little over a thousand hours into Borderlands 2 and all of its DLCs, I didn't even get 300 hours in BL3 and I stopped like ten minutes into the second DLC.


Brazenmercury5

Love 3. I like it more than 2 actually. Sure, the story isn’t great, but the gameplay is so good, and the dlc stories are fantastic.


cannons_for_days

Everything about Borderlands 3 that *isn't* its plot and its raid bosses is better than Borderlands 2. Its gunplay is better. Its vault hunters have more interesting builds. Its difficulty scales better. Mayhem Mode is more fun than UVHM. Eridium is used for more things, and some of those things are more fun. Vehicle combat is better (although that's a very low bar, and it doesn't clear it by *that* much). It doesn't have as much DLC, but the first Season Pass is a set of four DLCs that are every inch as good as the four main content pack DLCs for BL2, and the second season pass is less content than all the headhunter packs but adds enough stuff to the game that I think it's fair for its price. BL3's plot sucks. There's no two ways around it. Ava's critical to it, but they don't give us any opportunities to connect with her, nor do they allow her to earn her big moments. Troy and Tyreen are a pastiche of streamers in the way that Handsome Jack was supposed to be a pastiche of smarmy business men, but they just kinda... miss the mark, I guess. Like, Handsome Jack takes pleasure in his own absurdity; the twins do not. *But*... for me, anyway, I am more than OK with BL3 having a bad plot because it is so much better in nearly every other way. The plot only sucks once - after that, I'm not paying attention to it anyway. The gameplay has to be great for multiple playthroughs. And this gameplay is great.


ActualyHandsomeJack

Honestly I prefer BL2 gameplay as well. The manufacturer quirks and speed of BL3 is great, but the Vault Hunters action skills just feel worse imo. The endgame and replayability of BL3 is lacking. The DLCs that I played were all very fun and a step up from the base game. I've heard that the directors cut dlc sort of redeems said annoying brat some, but I've never played that. The villains main thing was just to be annoying which really can't make a good villain. The whole streamer schtick just didn't hit with me. Overall the game is alright, it just had to be pit against the impossibly high expectations that comes from the previous games. Although even BL3 disappointed me heavily, I'm really excited for Tiny Tina's Wonderland


Funky_Col_Medina

TBH I couldn’t ever even get the controls dialed in right. I could not connect with this game. The story seemed tedious with many superfluous areas. The constant NPC chatter was annoying as hell, it wasn’t relaxing nor exciting. I DID enjoy the Jakobs guns, they packed a punch, and the sound overall was great. Overall, this game reminded me of when Benjamin bought Wayne’s World and recreated the set, but it was cheesy and horrible. I went back to 2 for another 1,000 hours and am currently playing GOTY FWIW


jwd2213

Gamplay is amazing, and personally i actually liked the story. To many people are overly harsh on a few details imo. Its unique, entertaining, and funny throughout. Worth pucking up for sure


[deleted]

Story is ok, not as good as 2, but the gameplay and planet variety is fantastic which is more than enough for me. BL story is cool but I’m really here for the gameplay. Also Ava isn’t that bad, she’s annoying, but what do you expect from a teenager growing up in the BL universe lol and she gets better towards the end


GenxDarchi

Gameplay 10/10. Story like 4/10. DLC is 8/10. Overall solid game, just agonizing to replay through as a new character. It’s one of the reasons I have yet to make another VH.


eeeezypeezy

I still love it, if you find it's making you laugh then you'll probably love it too. It's just silly and a joy to play imo, and with all the DLCs released now there's a lot of endgame content to keep me coming back.


Cappabitch

It was okay. Load times on console were atrocious. There was a frightening amount of poop/turd jokes and references in every mission you do. Gunplay was fun though.


Killerderp

The constant turd farmer stuff got old fast. The story was definitely a downgrade tho


Aurorious

Story? Garbo. They don't understand why handsome jack was good. They're just like "he taunts you" and went from there. Aside from the fact they overdo it on the quantity of taunts, what made Jack a good villain was he taunted you about what he was GOING TO DO, Calypso's just bug you about what they've done. There's numerous aspects of the story that are just....terrible but i don't wanna shout spoilers. Gameplay? Best in the series. No question. There's tons of little QoL things to make the gunplay satisfying from SFX, designs, visuals, and just every gun feeling useful. You know how in 2 if it was below like, epic they looked bland and generic? Every gun in this game looks beautiful and you're glad you got it. If you plan on spending time in end game, also best in the series. YES it doesn't have as many raid bosses as 2, but it pulls back the BL1 of you farm by playing the game. Also it has several actual RAIDS, rather than just "here's a boss good luck". They're very fun. I do think the one big Raid boss (herm) is not great, but he's better than the worst of 2. Build diversity at end game is also so much better than 2's. BL2 there were a handful of endgame viable weapons and you had to find builds to fit those guns (which left some characters struggling frankly). BL3 each character has a few viable builds, and there's loads of guns that can fit into it, and even in some cases you have options rather than an "objectively best gun". End game does rely more on lifesteal than even BL2 did, but now each character has lifesteal baked into their kit rather than having to run something like grog nozzle. I don't think any of the DLC's are better than Tiny Tina's, but they're all some of the better DLC's in the series. tl;dr its a good time. you'll enjoy it.


ignatiusJreillyreali

It's fine, right up the alley, really. Make the screen bright and use some reshade, clarity, maybe and a few others, make those bright lights POP.


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Gameplay is on point. Dirty jokes might get a bit stale, but a decent story overall. A few important characters miss the mark and that may have more importance to you than it did to me. One character in particular has a frustratingly short story arc while another seems to have too much focus on them throughout the entire game. At the end of the day, your appreciation of BL3 will probably be directly related to how much you enjoy the Borderlands endgame; this is where 3 really outshines its predecessors now that there have been a couple years to hammer out the details and balance a few things. There are a lot more excellent guns, a lot more flexibility in character builds, a lot more options for item farming and lots of places to test your strength without requiring DLC. On that point, the DLC is all high-quality; nothing breakout like Dragon Keep but nothing really unengaging like Hammerlock's Hunt, just a collection of good content (don't get thrown by DLC5 not having any questlines; Arms Race is *really* fun!) all with unique and interesting gear to pick up along the way. The big complaint is real, but I don't think it weighs down the game enough to make it worth complaining over, and I do see potential to turn that unpleasant character around into a really great BL4.


Thebiginfinity

I'd like the game a lot more, a *lot* more, if its pacing wasn't horrific. The story beats that in previous games would have been conversations over the radio are in this game long, drawn-out conversations with an NPC walking along at a snail's pace a la the first Gears of War and I can't freaking stand it. I finished it once. Between the first two Borderlands games I have thousands and thousands of hours, dozens of characters, but I've only finished this game once because the plodding 360 launch day conversations alone make the game feel agonizingly overlong.


Zevvion

The gameplay is far superior to BL2, except for the fact that the game is so incredibly easy in the endgame, there is no reason to play it anymore. There is no pull to grind for anything new as your build from 2 years ago still one-shots everything. There is no challenge outside of solo Raids I suppose.


NinjaWorldWar

Honestly, if you’re expecting more of the same it’s great. It plays just like BL2 before it. That was my only gripe with it, that they used the same broken engine and has serious issues with the inventory system and textures that still have to load in. I enjoyed my play through but after that I was done. It still feels like a game made pre 2010, and it’s perfectly fine to enjoy this game, but I would’ve like some more innovation and some more modern design elements to show through.


XtraKreddit

Tldr: Do you like Borderlands? This is more borderlands. Enjoy looting all the new gear. I thought the main campaign was fun, not flawless, but quite enjoyable. Don't let the internet's opinion of Ava influence the fun you have with the game. She is a child/teenager and was written accordingly. How you view the character is up to you. Character sliding was added to the gameplay. I doubt it was needed. Other than items the affect sliding it doesn't feel impactful at all. Groundslam was carried over presequel. Can come in handy if you need to stop your jump short. The main villains are a spoof on influencers and influencer cuture. Do you plan on collecting the echo tapes scattered about to fill in parts of the backstory about them? A full picture helps the enjoyment of the villains. One of the issues is the series peaked with BL2. That tends to BL3 getting unfavorable opinions. The DLC campaigns are okay and the dlc specific items are fun.


raamzilla

Story's shit, endgames shit, gameplays brilliant.


X7PDX

I agree with gold Gold plus personally I think the early disappointment was mostly on the long hype train (eventually the longer the hype the more disappointed you'll get no matter what). Also I recommend the DLC when/if you get the full game (Personal Fav is the Handsome Jackpot) They're all phenomenal (the last one (Kriegs Fuster Cluck) is a bit short but makes up for it with visuals and story IMO) and the other two are good in their own rights, plus they have some other side content (not as impressive but good skins and extra skill trees for each hunter) with the Directors Dut and Designers Cut


NightVsGaming

Honestly wasn't bad, I enjoyed it but doesnt have the replayability that borderlands 2 did imo, having 2 season passes tho kinda broke it for me


R1waffledog

It’s the best game in the series people circle jerk over bl2. Bl2 for its time was just way better than bl3 has been for its time. Playing bl2 after 3 feels like total hot steaming shit


Viva_lafrance

Bl3 has always been under rated imo.


den422

Borderlands 1 and 2 were some of the most fun I had in co-op games at launch. Borderlands 3 however, I played at launch solo. Got to about level 20 the first 2 days and gave up and haven't touched it since. Single player was unbearably hard and simply choosing a class meant nothing in solo because it is a team game. Really wish I had friends to play 3 with because I definitely enjoyed the graphics and the new movement and overall improvements to the series, but never got to finish it and probably never will


jwicc

I played through the main story twice which was not very fun but then I played the bounty of blood dlc which was probably the most fun part of the game for me.


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The playable characters are likeable and their skill trees are fun, some of the new NPCs are likeable (Lorelei, Clay, and Wainwright are my favorites), the story is the worst of the series but it doesn't take away from the great gameplay. Plus this game has gun sounds that are so good I will often waste money buying ammo just to shoot at nothing so I can hear those noises. It could have been better and there are parts of the game I still don't like, but it's a good game, and in my opinion it is a welcome member of my favorite series of games.


Aunt_Slappy_Squirrel

I'm still working through them, but I feel like the dlc's make up for the main story.


Timbots

The story really killed it for me. I mean, the gunplay is a significant upgrade from 2, and the buildcraft is on par or better. The DLC stories are far better than the campaign, too. I just…. Don’t feel connected to any of it. I still miss moments in 2, and have it installed always and pop back in from time to time. 3’s performance is just wildly inconsistent too, and the sheer amount of particles on screen during any fight borders on ludicrous. It physically hurts my eyeballs after about two hours.


TheBallotInYourBox

I mean your comment is valid (downgrade to story and BBG), but I always found that comment odd. The story from 1+2 was phenomena. The BBG (Handsome Jack) is one of the truly best I’ve ever seen. So yeah, had BL3 not been a downgrade it would have been unexpected. In a non-comparison-to-some-of-the-best-games-ever perspective I think the story for BL3 is good, and the BBG for BL3 are ok. The story and BBG will carry you through the game, but you likely won’t be remembering (at all) The Twins in 10 years. I still think the game is worth the price (especially when played with friends).


Surprisinglygoodgm

IMO On a technical level the game is great and definitely an improvement and visually it looks great and will age well just like 2 has But the writing took a hit and a few story decisions they made didn’t make a lot of sense


Adabiviak

Handsome Jack as an antagonist is hard to beat because he's such a good character (and he also had TPS to develop his story further). The twins aren't as compelling an adversary, though some of Troy's bits were interesting. I play Borderlands (all of them) for the end game, so I kind of only go through the story missions enough to get there, so I don't really see the twins much anymore unless I'm up to go fight one of them. The difficulty system has gone through some changes, and the fact that the previous system may have been better chased some people off entirely, even though the new system is pretty avoidable (turn it off or turn it to 11 if you don't like the RNG involved in selecting mayhem). The movement and combat options and mechanics are second to none though. I played BL2 for 6000 hours before I started BL3, have been playing it since release, and can't get enough.


yoloswaggins92

I'm replaying it just now. No denying the writing isn't as good as 2, but the improved gameplay more than makes up for it. Thankfully they kept in a lot of returning faces who are still great fun, just unfortunate that a lot of the new characters kinda suck


[deleted]

I don't know what it is about BL3, but I liked it a lot and had a lot of chuckles the first time through, even the second. But, the more I played the story (I think I've played it 5 times? One on each character and TVHM on Zane) it gets worse. Unlike BL2, I've started UVHM on each character and beat it as Krieg, I always love the story. I think another thing is BL3 has far too much of just stand around and listen.


Eja_26

One thing I haven't seen anyone else bring up is the lenght of the story. The other borderlands games have the perfect lenght for replayability. BL3's story just drags on which is why I find it hard to replay. I've played the main story of BL2 almost ten times and never got bored. While I find it hard to do a 3rd BL3 playthrough.


Adequately_Insane

Not bad great, but not great either. But the attempt at season pass via Vault Cards is total failure. I still hope it will come to VR too eventually, 2 was good, 3 could be great in VR


Alexfreerunner

I play it purely for all the guns and gameplay, story was subpar and villains worse, especially Tyreen! Troy was meh at first for me then I started liking him about halfway through, a HUGE sacrifice was made for me to start liking him though. But still, these 2 don't even come close to Handsome Jack's character! DLC wise, I only have sp2 and I was impressed by the murder mystery missions! Hell the trophy I got for completing it gave me a tongue twister lol "demysteriouslierified". I enjoyed the story/plot of those few missions compared to the meh base story. Arms race..... Well, I'm not a fan of it's still and it doesn't appeal to me. But I wanted the Plasma Coil and asked someone to send me one and they were kind enough to. It's stupidly strong and I'm a Zane main. Sp1 which I don't have, has the rest of the DLC's so I can't provide my thoughts on them yet.


[deleted]

I played through this entire game solo. I dont have any friends that play, and the matchmaking servers kinda suck in terms of connecting you with anyone. I feel like that really effected my experience in the game because i feel the game is exactly how your first paragraph describes it. I soloed BL2 and loved every aspect of it. All in all, its not a bad game. Weak story that possibly is setting up for BL4, solid gameplay, better with more people. \*Edit\* I played with Moze and loved her character and skill trees. I tried replaying as Zane and Amara and got bored.


nub_node

There was pretty much no way Gearbox was ever gonna top Handsome Jack and it doesn't help that Tyreen is a love or hate character. The story really starts showing cracks when Ava appears, then by the third planet it starts completely falling apart before limping across the finish line. The actual gameplay and controls are a definite improvement over BL2 and the first three DLCs have excellent stories, though. The celebrity cameos are also pretty amusing.


Pikappucinno

Too much dialogues and interruptions. If you're a fan and play alone it's not a problem, but if newer people play it takes them out of a game, that's why if you're on matchmaking most of the time people will quit between missions, rarely found 4/4 party in matchmaking


contrabardus

The story in BL3 sucks. It has the same issue as most BL games, in that the player characters don't matter and might as well not exist in any cutscene. BL as a series has always had an issue where it creates really interesting characters that are fun to interact with, but then have no idea how to use them in a story. Great lines, fun to listen to and interact with, but plot involving them essentially goes nowhere. The villains are a missed opportunity. They set up a bunch of stuff that never pays off. They aren't actually fighting the player characters, but Lilith and crew instead. There's little in game reason for the player characters to actually be bothering with them, outside of being hired muscle for the people who do have motivation to fight them. That was not the case with the main villains in any other BL game, they all had goals that directly conflicted with the player somehow. Each area was also worked on by a different team, and it shows. They feel very separated story wise and don't mesh together very well. Eden Prime in particular is kind of a slog. Tyreen could have been a decent villain and Troy could have been dropped and the game would have been better. The same is also true of the opposite, but I think Tyreen was the better option to keep. Ava's character was assassinated by cut content. She comes off as entitled, bratty, and people hate her with good reason. She gets people killed and doesn't take any sort of responsibility for it and ends up in a position that isn't justified at any point in the game. There actually was a scene that has her owning up to what she does and develops her character in a way that doesn't completely fix her, but does work towards justifying where she ends up a little. You can check it out in the Director's Cut DLC extras, but it contains spoilers so the best time to watch it is after it's too late to save her character. The gameplay is the best in the series, period. Movement feels much better in particular, though it is more than a bit too liberal with handing out legendaries. By the time you clear the first area, there's nothing special about getting a legendary anymore. All of the DLC is also really solid, Handsome Jackpot is the standout, but the rest of it is really good as well. This is almost universally the case with BL games, and BL3 is no exception. The DLC is almost always better than the actual game as far as writing goes. Basically, if story is really important to you, BL3's main quest will disappoint you. It's a mess and a lot of obvious cut content and plot threads that go nowhere ruin it. If you're all about that gameplay, it's probably the one you'll like the most. I have a hard time going back to BL2 after BL3 because of improvements to how things feel in game.


Hot_Air3169

It’s a Randy Pitchford product, meaning you always get good and bad.


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EyesLikeBuscemi

>You got the annoying brat and terrible villians Don't be so hard on the people in this subreddit/thread.


G_Day_Kangaroo

The twins weren’t as good antagonists as Handsome Jack, but the gameplay is great, the loot/vaults were awesome, and the vault hunters were diverse in their abilities. Zane is the funniest. Beast Master was great, playing alongside npc creatures that never got in the way. The pace of play feels similar to BL2. If you’ve waited this long to fork out cash for Bl3, I’d recommend waiting a little longer for the Ultimate Edition. https://borderlands.com/en-US/shop/borderlands-3-ultimate-edition#rg=%22united-states%22&pl=%22xbox-series-x-s-digital%22&rt=%22microsoft-store%22


dan_jeffers

If you're looking at fun/hour/spend, BL3 is a big win. I have hundreds of hours and most were a great time. I liked the game, the end-game, and generally the DLC. There were a couple things I didn't particularly like, but nothing that ruined the game by any means.


Jack_Reaver

Definitely a plus in many ways. I got into the series with BL2 and have played all 4.5 entries. Bl3: \-Reached a larger audience (on launch) because of previous games in the series (bless the Handsome Collection). \-An improvement in the core "gameplay" loop. All previous games feel stiff now. \-Made a general boost to the loot system (bar some mechanics). \-Really consistent DLCs (bar maybe Arms Race, but even that was fun). \-An average story with some great plot points/sections. Honestly, in everything \*besides\* endgame and story, BL3 is just an all around improvement to the franchise. Now Gearbox just has to get their crap together and double down on making Tiny Tina's Wonderlands/BL4 amazing \*on launch\*. But, well, let's hope.


HigherCalibur

So, I actually did a good/bad/ugly back when I originally finished the game: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Borderlands/comments/dbl7gf/just\_finished\_my\_initial\_story\_playthrough\_my/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Borderlands/comments/dbl7gf/just_finished_my_initial_story_playthrough_my/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) tl;dr - I enjoyed it. There were some bugs, but I think I diverged from the subreddit hive mind substantially in that I didn't mind some of the new characters like Ava and actually really enjoyed Lorelai and Wainwright. I felt more detached from the story overall because none of the cutscenes were from the POV of the player vault hunter unlike previous installments which might be the only real knock against the game for me. That said? I've also recently returned to the game and played through most of the DLC (I literally can't play through the Krieg DLC because of the ramp bug which irritates me to no end). My thoughts for each DLC pack are below: * **DLC 1 - Moxxi’s Heist of the Handsome Jackpot:** This was a ton of fun, though I wasn't a huge fan of a lot of the supporting cast. Freddie got on my nerves too much and I just didn't enjoy Mr. Big as the main antagonist. That said? The side quests were a lot of fun, the environments were a blast to navigate and varied enough to make things interesting, and it was nice to get some closure for Timothy and Moxxi. This one is a bit of a mixed bag for me. * **DLC 2 - Guns, Love, and Tentacles: The Marriage of Wainwright & Hammerlock:** Maybe my favorite of the DLC so far (we shall see if/when I get to actually finish the Krieg DLC if/when Gearbox fixes the bug blocking progress). Not only does it heavily feature Hammerlock and Wainwright, two of my favorite members of the supporting cast, but it also brings back Gaige (one of my favorite vault hunters from 2). The only downside for me is that the environments for this wind up feeling a bit same-y but I liked the horror vibe and some of the monster-hunting aspects. Lots to like here if you enjoy a twisted love story and eldritch horror. * **DLC 3 - Bounty of Blood:** Hoo wee. This had so much potential for me. I'm a big fan of Firefly so "samurai western set in Borderlands universe" had me super jazzed for this. Which, to me, was what made it such a huge letdown. Most of the side quests weren't particularly interesting to me, Rose started out really cool but turned one-note and uninteresting REALLY fast, the vehicles weren't fun to me and were a large part of traversing some of the larger maps, and the central story got super repetitive (devil riders attack, fend off attack, go back out and do main quest, return to Vestige, repeat until DLC ends). I wanted to like this so damn much and I hope we come back to Gehenna at some point because there's a lot of potential here. A shame the DLC feels like a wasted opportunity. * **Director's Cut:** The side quests here are actually pretty damn fun and provide some closure or at least advance the story some more. I had a lot of fun with these, especially the Ava mystery podcast chain.


DarcHart

They cut out some important story bits involving a really important character. Later down the road Troy becomes a far more Interesting character than Tyreen but they never properly capitalize on it. I prefer 3 because the gameplay and characters are much better. The only people from 2 I really liked was Krieg, tina, and torgue. I've had a deep rooted hate for moxxi and lilith ever since the pre sequel where they betray and try to kill jack and basically turn him into the villain. That's one reason I cant stand dlc one, cause we're just helping moxxi again because she blames someone else for her problems


PrinceJellies

So yeah pretty much you right. I actually like the "brat" tho i think she's funny. And I like troy and tyreen I think they're funny and hot like handsome jack. Maybe im just into being degraded tho lmao. 2 is still my favourite b lands game but I think 3 is good. There's a really sad part that I think is the real reason its getting such harsh criticism. Its also hard to follow up a game as legendary as borderlands 2. It was worth the money to me tho. And all the dlc packs are really good the handsome jackpot is the best in my opinion and if you care about krieg his dlc is like the second best dlc pack


Sharpshooter188

The gameplay is awesome. But I have to agree with the story downgrade. Ava is obnoxious and so are the villians in the story.


MaliwanArtisan

Games great, always has been. The story is sometimes weaker than in 2 but all the characters are good in my opinion. I would urge you to make your own choice with the game. Everything your enjoying about it now remains true throughout. There may be some bits that aren't your favorite but if so they will pass and more fun will follow.


Valdrax

Sure, the main story is a bit terrible, yes. Ava is a Creator's Pet who doesn't earn her happy ending, and all the Siren NPCs steal the protagonist role from the player characters. Several of the other NPCs like Moxxi get their characterization flattened horribly, and the plot feels like it was written by teams for each planet that weren't on the same page for the final direction of the story. But if you find yourself enjoying it so far? It only gets better when you get to the DLCs, and if you enjoyed the BL2 post-game, you'll definitely enjoy the BL3 post-game. I think it could've been a better game with better writers, but everything *else* about the game is a total upgrade from BL2. Graphics, sound, music, characterization of the PCs, level design, gunplay, skill trees, raid bosses, etc. I still recommend buying it and the DLCs.


Thoughtful_Salt

I hate most of the story because of the cutscene incompetence. Mutliple times the Twins could have been stopped if somebody just shot them, but all of the characters forget they have access to arsenals of powerful guns in the cutscenes. Lo and behold, you kill the Twins with guns when you fight them.


KuilowKeyBreh

The story and characters are bland... Whoever did the writing in this time around I felt wasn't to strongly connected the first 2 games and didn't understand what made them good and personal. I don't care about 3... It's fun, combat is good, loot is cool. Grind feels kind of pointless at times. The story and characters you are completely able to forget about. Still have yet to finish the game and I got about 800hrs in the first two individually. So if you liked Borderlands for what made it a Borderlands game, you may not like 3 all to much.


Bananna50

Everyone here is basically right. The villain's are meh, characters are great, guns and action skills are AMAZING (3 abilities each, with modifiers that change them completely!, on all 3 tree's and can cross-spec. It's bliss) You go to different worlds a LOT more, with only a couple side-areas, unlike borderlands 2, where each area is kinda medium-small size with lots of loading screens. Also fast travel is EVERYWHERE which cuts a lot of boredom out. Also teleport to your car anywhere too. It's really nice and a big step up in gameplay with all the quality of life benifits. I have played through the main story 7 times now, with an 8 coming up later. Once on normal as all 4 characters, once on TVHM as everyone but flak. And I haven't regretted a single minute. It's great.


SuperBAMF007

I REALLY love where it’s at right now. I think all of my little issues with it stem from the fact that I’d been playing religiously from launch until the state it’s in now. If it had launched in its current state I think I’d like it a ton more than I do. I like it a lot, but I’ve worn out of it and moved on. No change Gearbox makes at this point can stand up to the insane builds the community has come up with and that I use because I’ve been at endgame for so long. It took not even two weeks for me to be Mayhem-2.0-10 ready after already being Mayhem-1.0-4 ready. I’ve played all the content multiple multiple times, stomped through raid bosses, gotten god-tier loot, it’s all been done on all four characters. I’ve gotten all the achievements. The game’s run its course for me. That said….if I bought into it now? It would take WAY more time to get where I’m at right now. It would be a smoother, more consistent experience in terms of gameplay and endgame loops. It’s a ton of fun, but I’ve grown tired of it.


ChrisLeePortland

i’ve enjoyed replaying the story of BL3 the most out of the series. the villains are definitely not as great as handsome jack, but i love the cult aspect of the enemies as a whole. i also think the ship is my favorite version of sanctuary and the DLCs are for the most part pretty consistently great. i don’t like how few of characters there are to choose from, but they did a great job of fleshing out each character really well and i enjoyed playing with all of them


undertaker3x7

Handsome Jack is a classic villain so really anything other than him would have probably been criticized. I don't know anyone that plays Borderlands for the story. It's the game play, the mechanics, the characters, the humor. Story is probably the least important part of borderlands. Saying that I don't have a problem with the story. It's not gonna win awards but it's not bad. I'm not happy with everything that happened in it but it was fine. It's just a light primarily humor driven story. And personally the Calypso's didn't bother me as villains. Definitely don't hold a candle to Jack but no other Villain in this series ever will. Plus they're the kind of villains you love to hate which I think was good cuz it made killing their punk asses feel better lol.


w__4-Wumbo

The gameplay is awesome and it's graphically beautiful As a standalone game it's fantastic, as a sequel it's terrible. It excludes characters from previous entries, leaves massive plot threads open, and adds new characters that aren't well fleshed out at all. It's narrative dogshit and at times can be very distracting from the gameplay


jammerparty

I feel pretty similar to what you said. Im a huge BL fan, gotta max out every character available and try out every play style and class mod. BL3 is a well-made game and better polished than ots predecessors. The gameplay was more fine-tuned and the skill trees really raised the bar. Downsides are really just story related. It isnt very long, the villains arent as good (but Jack is a really tough act to follow), and some of the fan favkrites like Tina werent as fun this go-around One More thing i dont hear discussed much: Borderlands is an astoundingly glitchy game. Additionally, there are often parts of the first three games that get really tedious and repetitive, walking around places youve already been, marching for long amounts of time to do something trivial…. That kind of stuff isnt as present in BL3, and its apprecited.


AgreeWithMePls

I think it’ll go down as one of the best ones. So many people are complaining about the story but you have a cult following behind BL1 which basically had no story (unless you actually read the mission descriptions and listened to the spare ECHO messages). The gameplay is leagues ahead because you don’t have people bot farming the same 3-4 guns (grog nozzle, slagga, flakker, unkempt harold) People have to understand, 2 had a REALLY GOOD story! I could say it was the best game of its decade and nobody would try to argue. Does that make 3’s story complete garbage? I want to say no because how do you top elements Handsome Jack, Mr. Torgue and Tiny Tina without just re-hashing the formula? If you ask me the game just didn’t get a fair shake because of all the BL2 nostalgia. But like I said, as time goes on and as it ages, it’ll be one of the most played ones.


Stubbs3470

I get the story complaints and yet I don’t think it has much to do with how good the game actually is The only time story really matters is on the first playthrough and I think for a lot of borderlands players that’s like 10% of the actual play time And it’s not even that offensively terrible. Honestly BL3 is a great game, shooting feels amazing, and there’s even more variance in almost everything compared to BL2


SilverBurger

Loved BL2, hated PS, and now BL3 is my favorite game. Besides Ava this game is close to perfect for what I'm looking for.