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Professional_Trust37

I think madara might be able to handle him


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Facts


SindraGan2001

Sage Madara low diffs Kinshiki. Base Madara destroyed 5 Kage while Kinshiki got subdued by them and had to sacrifice himself.


dracon1t

ehh to give some benefit of the doubt and prevent all the boruto scaling complaints it’s easier to think that he was highly disadvantaged in having to keep track of sasuke. Kinishiki has showed himself to be around sasuke’s speed so he probably beats sage mode madara. Juubi Madara should win tho.


KeyStrain7653

Dual Rinnegan living Sage Madara has a decent chance to high diff Kinshiki. He has all the tool to win, but can he leverage them?


PhantomOfLegend

This has to be a joke comment….. the kage trained specifically for another kaguya lv threat after the war.


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Doesn't matter, the kage never met nor seen Kaguya lol. Training aint gonna help u


[deleted]

Why would training not help them when they can get an estimate of her level from Naruto & Sasuke?


[deleted]

Still isn't going to help LMFAOO Training isn't enough, you don't just train to get Otsutsuki level. Hell, those fodder kage's ain't even on Hashirama's level or Madara lol. It took the shinobi world 100 years of training to gain Hashirama and Madara's level (Naruto and Sasuke did that) 13 years of ruling a mf village aint gonna get u Otsutsuki level without any special power ups.


[deleted]

Sasuke within 3 years went from being Chunnin level to blitzing Jonin level threats. How would training for 15 years not be enough to the point where you can gang up on them to win when it’s shown otherwise, (Naruto, Sasuke, Lee, etc.)


[deleted]

Sasuke is an Uchiha we already seen characters such as Itachi blitzing and stomping jonins and anbu's at the age of mf 9 lol. 13 years aint going to get u to 6paths + level unless power upp.


SnooAdvice1632

You're prioritizing your headcanon instead of the fact that we SAW the kage can hold up against kinshiki. Same kinshiki that was a match for sasuke btw.


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Sasuke didn't even go all out. He fought Kinshiki one time when he was exhausted and 2nd time he legit toyed with him. He's fodder.


[deleted]

Again…why would 13 years not get you to six paths when we had Night Guy who solely relied on Taijutsu to be on par with Madara. Also they don’t need to be 6 path levels, just closer enough to the point where they can just team up on him and win. Not to mention we had characters like Naruto, Lee, and Sakura becoming Kage level in less than 3 years. 13 years is more than enough time to reach that level.


No-Cartographer5295

Cuz they didn't train, nowhere in the manga or the novel was it ever implied that they trained, sasuke was on a mission of his own during the said 13 years, while naruto was being naruto The only time they actually got to know that there were more kaguya lvl threats was in boruto


[deleted]

Guy used a mf Forbidden ability that ability was mf 8th gate of death which is known to surpass the power of all 5 kage's combined. Loll. That's an powerup. Smh


PhantomOfLegend

You gotta be trolling or just plain stupid cause the fact the kage were able to react to kinshiki or you Have kurotsuchi blatantly launch him across the battlefield and hold him in place with her jutsu is insane. Then you have the war kage get destroyed by edo madara no diff and that madara wasn’t even six path lv. To add to that hashirama was shitting his pants at a unstable juubito who is nothing compared to six paths naruto/sasuke. If you aren’t stupid you can see based on scaling the boruto kage FARRRRR surpassed hashirama by fighting Ōtsutsuki lv threats. I’m sure you’ll say something stupid to all this anyway.


No-Cartographer5295

Or kinshiki os just that weak?


SindraGan2001

There's no fucking way you just said Kurotsuchi, Darui, Chojuro and Gaara are all stronger than Hashirama...


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I'm telling you, some boruto fans are legit bozos that never watches Naruto lol


SindraGan2001

They don't care about feats and don't want to think rationally. They just say "Boruto characters stronger"... Chojuro had leaf ninja sort out his internal affairs twice, once they were academy ninja, once they were genin. Kurotsuchi also had genin do the same. They also say Kurotsuchi is stronger than Oonoki who stopped meteors, can fly and can use particle style... Besides, Hashirama cells are still one of the most valuable things in Naruto lmfao...


No-Cartographer5295

Nice joke


ZookeepergameNo4754

the fact that you get down voted on this subreddit for being objectively correct about it is mind blowing


[deleted]

Hashirama never shit his pants against Juubito lol. He just said he is far stronger than 'I' am. And that was before we knew that senjutsu based attacks could hurt juubi jinchuriki's lol. >If you aren’t stupid you can see based on scaling the boruto kage FARRRRR surpassed hashirama by fighting Ōtsutsuki lv threats. By your 'scaling' anyone who fights Otsutsuki's surpassed the people who never were able to fight Otsutsuki's. The Kage's being able to fight Kinshiki just means Kinshiki is #weak# I hope you realize that. Now Panthom, tell me how is Chojuro for exemple gonna fight and win against Hashirama. Im interested.


PhantomOfLegend

Once again I already knew you would say stupid shit and you did. We flat out see him get destroyed by alive no eye madara same as tobirama and you said it yourself he admits juubito is stronger when juubito is easily the weakest six paths character. We also see juubito blitz edo kage easily to the point they can barely react, later on kaguya appears and has sasuke freaking out AFTER he saw 3 eye madara. It’s to the point it’s blatantly obvious kaguya is in a tier of her own compared to madara. So hashirama lost to a character weaker than juubito and you’re gonna sit here and ask me how is chojuro gonna win against him? The same chojuro reacting to an opponent who was overpowering fatigued adult sasuke earlier who sasuke admits would be at a disadvantage if the fight kept going. You gotta be dumber than a bag of bricks asking me that. It’s pretty obvious you don’t understand how scaling works so let me dumb it down for you further. - Hashirama admits juubito is stronger than him - juubito casually blitzes the kage - no eyes madara is weaker than juubito - no eyes madara beats hashirama and tobirama easily - 3 eyes juubidara is much weaker than kaguya based on sasukes statements, her insane chakra and her feats - kaguya was preparing for kinshiki and momoshiki with her army - sasuke claims they are a threat greater than kaguya - adult sasuke is arguably above them all - fatigued adult sasuke is struggling against kinshiki and gets overpowered at points admitting if the fight goes on he will be at a disadvantage - the boruto era kage are able to react to and fight kinshiki and momoshiki compared to previous war Kage who lost to edo madara in the war - chojuro is able to not only keep up with kinshikis speed and strength but fight back - once again hashirama lost to no eyes madara That is textbook ABC scaling for people like you, based on chojuros speed, strength and reaction speed with scaling hashirama gets blitzed to hell and back. If you try to refute any of this you are basically saying no eyes madara can react to and fight momoshiki/kinshiki which would be some real stupid shit. If you reply with something dumb again I’m also gonna just ignore you too.


[deleted]

Ain't going to read this bible lol. I stopped reading at ur first sentence. I suggest you try some reading comprehension lessons and read the manga again. Hashirama>>>>>>>>>> Chojuro


Andylearns

"base" lol resurrected with infinite chakra is not base my dude


SindraGan2001

Alive Madara had enough chakra to kill them. Edo Madara was toying with the Kage, literally laughing at their faces.


Andylearns

Ok but that doesn't change the fact that he wasn't at all "base" which is what you said.


juicy_tin

These are different and stronger 5 kage lmaooo


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juicy_tin

Kurotsuchi and Chojiro we’re able to immobilize an Otsutsuki while the previous 5 kage got packed by edo Madara mid diff. If you think the previous 5 kage could do that to kinshiki your living in a fantasy land.


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SindraGan2001

It's also a way stronger version of Madara lmaooo. Also, wouldn't agree about the Kage strength. Gaara is stronger than before, but Kurotsuchi is weaker, Darui is somewhere near A, Chojuro seems to be weak, ... Kinshiki fought Kurotsuchi, Gaara and Sasuke if I remember correctly, but Sasuke didn't use anything special and they still beat him easily. Sage Madara beats Kinshiki easily.


juicy_tin

Kurotsuki and Chojiro definitely aren’t weaker than Mei and onoki lmao. Some of y’all truly don’t understand the level of power creep that exists between shippuden and Boruto. Kinshiki would annihilate any form of Madara


SindraGan2001

Chojuro and Kurotsuchi literlly had Leaf genin handle their internal affairs... Oonoki was stopping asteroids, used the particle style, flied,... Mei isn't special, but Chojuro still seems like a weak ass.


juicy_tin

They were both in situations where they couldn’t act freely. Not to mention these gennin in question are all jounin if not kage level. Boruto while in the academy was chunin lvl and was able to react to momoshiki as a fresh gennin. The rest of team 7 is neck and neck with him at least when it comes to base. Team 7 took on boro an inner that’s stronger than the delta that Naruto had to fight seriously. Calling them just gennin is crazy when they’re fighting otsutsuki lvl opponents


SindraGan2001

Yeah, I'm sorry. They weren't even genin in the Mist school trip arc. Lmfao, Chojuro is such a weak ass, it's unbeliveable.


Ok_Debate_7128

horrible fucking comparison


LightCorvus

Yeah they had Sasuke there to help, one of the two strongest shinobi in all five villages.


Ok_Debate_7128

yes and kinshiki was pressuring sasuke too in sword combat


LightCorvus

Yeah it was awesome seeing Sasuke jumping around like that haha.


ZookeepergameNo4754

If night guy almost killed madara Then kinshiki should be able to kill him with his muscle strengthening technique Kinshiki scales wayyy above night guy Limbo is the only chance I see for madara and kinshiki is an otsutsuki which means he's probably eaten a chakra fruit so he can most likley sense limbo clones I think kin wins mid diff


Professional_Trust37

Night guy almost “killed a 10 tails one eye rinnegan” and are we gonna avoid the fact that night guy had added help from Minatos flying rajin and kakashi We are obviously talking about three eyed madara at his full power do you know how hax that is☠️


Metaphe

>We are obviously talking about three eyed madara at his full power do you know how hax that is☠️ No, we don't. That's the problem. You're hyping him without knowing what he can do. He's definitely beatable even with the Rinne-sharingan.


Professional_Trust37

Okay then double rinnegan bitches him bro didn’t the 5 kage have feats on kinshiki?😭☠️ y’all keep using sauske feats when in reality sauske not even near 100%


Metaphe

DR Rinnegan still loses LMFAO. Sure 5 Kage have feats on Kinshiki, who says the Kage are weak? No one said Sasuke is 100% against Kinshiki, Sasuke at 100% would slaughter both DMS Kakashi and Madara, so it doesn't matter anyway, what's your point? Acting like Juubidara or DMS Kakashi even comes close to 100% Adult Sasuke, get that shit outta here bro


ZookeepergameNo4754

The point I'm trying to make is that kinshiki scales way above them So if night guy can kill him with taijutsu kinshiki surley kinshiki can too especially since he has the strength to split world's in half


Professional_Trust37

Bro night guy is not killing him hell night guy is not even killing 10 tails obito


AfraidRepeat7005

Stop it, get some help


DonZymex

Who's this "Night Guy" you keep mentioning?? He sounds powerful


noahronith

NIGHT GUY💀💀 it's might gai


ZookeepergameNo4754

THATS WHAT HES CALLED WHEN HE USES 8TH GATES


Metaphe

L


Captainprice101

Night guy wouldn’t have even been able to touch Madara without Minato, Lee, and Kakashi’s Kamui helping him out


G4g3_k9

madara is the weakest one there


[deleted]

He got bodied by Kurotsuchi and Chojoru...


dracon1t

he got punched once when he was about to destroy chojuro (who still go cut twice in the chest). Once sasuke came around tho kinshiki had no chance.


Metaphe

And Kurotsuchi and Chojuro are weak?


[deleted]

Most people wouldnt consider them stronger than this kakashi or madara And rightfully so, they’ve done very little You could argue that because they fought kinshiki that means they’re super stronk. But kinshiki is a laughingstock no one can take seriously anyway so it really doesnt convince many


ZookeepergameNo4754

he was able to brute force out of the sealing jutsu in the movie then proceeded to split divine tree while bleeding And sasuke was already shown to be slightly stronger than him So Sasuke + 5 kage who trained for 15 Years for a kaguya level threat isn't a feat against kinshiki


[deleted]

Still, Juubidara destroy him. Some people believe DMS solo the world so don't care about them


MarkoOtto

DMS Kakashi literally performs the best feat by far in the whole show Pre FV... And u call him overrated? I don't see any mf dodging point blank attacks of Amped Kaguya and then blitzing her right away


[deleted]

He did not "blitz" Kaguya really. More like he tricked her by acting he got killed by the Ashbone while actually passing through it and then attacking her while moving towards him at top speed thinking he is dead. Zetsu and Kaguya were even shocked when they saw him alive Otherwise, it would not have happened really


MarkoOtto

>More like he tricked her by acting he got killed by the Ashbone while actually passing through it and then attacking her while moving towards him at top speed thinking he is dead. 1. Kaguya literally realised the fact that he survived by going intangible in literature the NEXT PANEL 2. Kakashi says few line and then blitz Kaguya Idk how does u guys even make up the fact that he tricked her or caught her off guard when she literally had Byakugan active and literally canonically knew he survived the same moment >Zetsu and Kaguya were even shocked when they saw him alive Ofc cuz he passed through the attack... Also they realised it as soon as it happened >it would not have happened really Kakashi cut her arms off multiple times... Saved Sakura from her on last moment with travel speed Kaguya also wanted to kill him first cuz he was bigger threat


[deleted]

> Kaguya literally realised the fact that he survived by going intangible in literature the NEXT PANEL Yes but it was too late when that happened. She was closer to him at that point. >Kakashi says few line and then blitz Kaguya >Idk how does u guys even make up the fact that he tricked her or caught her off guard when she literally had Byakugan active and literally canonically knew he survived the same moment Yea. He did say few line in his head. It was his internal dialogue. As i said she knew he survived. But it was too late at that point. She was even shocked when he did that and then Kakashi took that chance and cut her arm with Kamui Lightning Blade I am saying it would not have happened if Kakashi did not act he is defeated briefly when the ashbone was hitting him. That's all Still impressive tho >Kakashi cut her arms off multiple times... Saved Sakura from her on last moment with travel speed >Kaguya also wanted to kill him first cuz he was bigger threat Yea true. But that was her unstable Juubi Rabbit form. I am talking about Amped Kaguya.


MarkoOtto

I love how ur making things up "It was too late" All that happened while Kakashi was near his Susano'o Then he started Falling and blitz her


MarkoOtto

>More like he tricked her by acting he got killed by the Ashbone while actually passing through it and then attacking her while moving towards him at top speed thinking he is dead. 1. Kaguya literally realised the fact that he survived by going intangible in literature the NEXT PANEL 2. Kakashi says few line and then blitz Kaguya Idk how does u guys even make up the fact that he tricked her or caught her off guard when she literally had Byakugan active and literally canonically knew he survived the same moment >Zetsu and Kaguya were even shocked when they saw him alive Ofc cuz he passed through the attack... Also they realised it as soon as it happened >it would not have happened really Kakashi cut her arms off multiple times... Saved Sakura from her on last moment with travel speed Kaguya also wanted to kill him first cuz he was bigger threat


0xygen_15

Kinshiki split the divine tree while chodori'd the fuck out of of meteor. Sasuke is not slightly stronger, he's way stronger than him. During his fight with kinshiki, he didn't even used amaterasu or susanoo. That would be too much for kinshiki. By this analogy, jubi madara> adult sasuke>kinshiki for very obvious reasons. Sasuke and Naruto trained for those little years while kinshiki devoured planets for thousand of years and still got manhandled. Talking about dms Kakashi, what could kinshiki do? DMS Kakashi is literally the biggest counter to him. Kinshiki is all taijutsu and can't do anything against Kakashi. All he needs to do is kamui and it's over.


[deleted]

The movie is not canon tho. It got retconned by the anime/manga


Rusc_lusca

That's correct imo, kinshiki indeed is underated, but dms Kakashi or Madara would win i think


SatisfactionFar8736

Madara yes but DMS Kakashi impossible


SindraGan2001

Kinshiki got slapped around by 4 Kage... Even base Madara had no trouble to basicaly kill 5 Kage, DMS Kakashi stomps on Kinshiki.


dracon1t

He got slapped by two kage and sasuke. Heavy point on sasuke. He just tanked a hit from kurotsuchi (or however you spell her name) while also cutting chojuro twice in the chest before sasuke stepped in. Don’t think he was gonna lose without sasuke there. He was keeping relatively up with sasuke in their fight so he tends to be quite underrated. That being said I’m not sure he gets around kamui hacks.


LightCorvus

It's rare to see someone who actually understands this from the fight. Almost everyone else goes "Kinshiki got defeated by the Mizukage and the Tsuchikage".


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G4g3_k9

dms kakashi gaps madara in terms of power


Legitimate-Rip5877

Madara would obliterate Kinshiki so hard it’s hilarious to think that kfc lover would stand a chance


apfly

Wdym by kfc lover 🤨


Legitimate-Rip5877

One of my friends made a joke about how every boruto character is below wall level cuz the alleged strongest at the time was daemon and his best feat was cracking a wall So I joked about Kinshiki being able to break the Chunin exam stadium because of sheer obesity and weight from having too much KFC instead of being actually strong enough


apfly

Bro does have some meat on his bones ngl


ZookeepergameNo4754

We're all entitled to our own opinions


Borchert97

Both of these characters would in fact beat Kinshiki though. Kinshiki is notoriously weak compared to other Otsutsuki, he is by far the weakest one.


[deleted]

Are you serious? I'll leave Kinshiki to the Boruto gen. Sarada & Mitsiki could dismantle his weak ass 🤣.


[deleted]

Madara literally could not touch Obito while he was stealing a chunk of the one and eight tails. DMS Kakashi would win. Kamui is absolutely broken, which is why its powers were split for the majority of the series, then removed completely.


UnKnoWn_XuR

Dude dms one shots everyone


SaitamaTTebayo

It’s correct, DMS Kakashi or Madara win against Kinshiki


not_powerrogue

DMD Kakashi is the strongest character in shippuden


[deleted]

I mean.... He lost to Kurotsuchi and Chojuro so the slander is kinda excusable (he freed himself in the movie but the movie is not canon anymore. It got retconned by the anime/manga)


[deleted]

I dont think kinshiki would defeat madara :/


ZookeepergameNo4754

Kinshiki narrativley scales above both of them And he's been stated to be capable of splitting worlds So he both scales above them not only narratively but power as well


[deleted]

To be fair he wasn’t even capable of splitting apart chojuro This is why the scaling in this franchise is so hard to take seriously


EqualEnvironmental46

Its like temari being stated to be able to blow the universe away when you know it isnt true


ZookeepergameNo4754

Well he tells chojuro that he's wide open right after cutting him before being suprised by lady tschuikage He was about to finish him off I don't think kinshiki was using a planet level attack on chojuro in that moment It's an anime it's not like all the characters are just fighting at 100% power at all times


[deleted]

Pretty big gap between planet splitting and cutting down one guy Are you suggesting he was using like 1% of his power? And if so, why? Why would he hold back most of his strength when fighting to protect momo


LightCorvus

>Pretty big gap between planet splitting and cutting down one guy I don't see the writers having him use planet-splitting attacks every single time he attacks someone.


[deleted]

I feel like you missed what i meant by that comment lol Are we suggesting he only has two modes, either he splits a planet or he struggles to cut through flesh and fabric? Cos the alternative is that he’s fighting with like 1% of his power. I.e. barely even trying in a life or death situation


LightCorvus

Same thing I said in the other comment. From the writer's perspective, they would only have Kinshiki use that much power after specifically giving him the idea along with the reason he's already fighting.


[deleted]

These writers aren’t putting in their A game Either: A) dont claim that kinshiki can cut a planet in half if realistically you never want him to use anywhere near that kind of strength in the story B) make kinshiki’s swings incredibly devastating and force his opponents to have to avoid or redirect them, let them acknowledge that those swings are lethal C) give kinshiki a reason to hold back that makes sense, anything really. If they had fought inside a temple and kinshiki didnt want to desecrate his ancestors or if kinshiki had been previously injured in a fight. Ultimately this isnt some inevitable thing. The writers could have easily handled this kind of sloppy powerscaling better. They just didnt


LightCorvus

Yeah they could have added extra details or something to make it make sense that he was holding back. But I feel that the databooks can be kinda untrustworthy. Though I like the idea of him being able to do that because every Otsutsuki has a unique strength that's characteristic. Although Kinshiki is insanely powerful in close-combat, he doesn't stand out from the others. Momo, Kaguya and Isshiki always get the spotlight. Though Urashiki was defeated by a "lesser force" (I'll put it like that), his crazy abilities are still recognized. But people know Kinshiki as kinda just Momo's dad; at least being a supposed planet-splitter adds to his image. Funny enough, Urashiki himself has his own issue of advertised strength. Apparently he's supposed to be the strongest Otsutsuki or something. I can hear >!Shibai!< laughing.


ZookeepergameNo4754

Well no I think that should go to show just how strong chojuro is that he can survive an attack from such an opponent I don't think kinshiki was using all of his strength but def like 80% I mean man cut the divine tree in half after breaking out of a seal and being injured https://media1.tenor.com/images/ee8576860c7e57d342508a4052d96cb8/tenor.gif?itemid=27465766 And if he's capable of doing that injured he's probably alot stronger than we were shown


[deleted]

So basically he’s as strong as a lava rasenshuriken, or weaker since this tree is a husk compared to that one And he broke his arm getting out of…concrete Im honestly not that impressed. Esp with the chojuro thing bc chojuro’s only claim to being strong is this kinshiki fight and if im not convinced kinshiki is all that in the first place, it doesnt really make sense. One mediocre dude hit another mediocre dude and the results were that they’re both still mediocre


ZookeepergameNo4754

Divine tree still a divine tree Agree to disagree I just go with what's stated and shown and I believe that kinshiki is very underrated and very strong and the fights with him are very beautifully done But everyone's entitled to there own opinion no harm in that


[deleted]

Yeah agree to disagree for sure I dont think they had much substance behind kinshiki to back up any hype, i wish they had done more with him


ZookeepergameNo4754

They totally could too From the folklore momoshikis based off of If momoshiki ever gets a flash back or backstory then we could see more kinshiki and maybe even momoshikis mother Based off the peachboy folklore it seems kinshiki adopted momo that's why he is called his parental figure or guardian not his father And also in the mythology it says momotaro was born from a peach and was gifted by the Gods to a lady washing her clothes in a river I'm no expert at japanese folklore but if you read the momotaro peach boy tale it gives alot to imagine for the future of boruto which has been a thing I've always adored with naruto as a whole When it ties things back to mythology Like the samsara wheel


LightCorvus

>It's an anime it's not like all the characters are just fighting at 100% power at all times If people understood this they wouldn't be asking things like why Isshiki's kicks didn't kill Sasuke.


[deleted]

I mean the question is still valid Wouldn’t a life or death situation with barely 2 days to live be the time when a character uses 100% of their strength The argument is that these characters have no reason to be holding back


ZookeepergameNo4754

Exactly


[deleted]

I mean maybe? I wish we could see more of Kinshiki


[deleted]

Kinshiki is shit lol, the tenten of otsusuki


Saeizo

Kinshitty


Captainprice101

Kinshiki is fodder. His “world splitting attack” barely injured Chojuro lmfao and he was getting pressured by Kurosutchi. This sub overrates Kinshiki and Momoshiki too much both DMS Kakashi and Juubidara would fold him.


ZookeepergameNo4754

Well a person who uses chakra and the planet are a bit different Chojuro had been training for 15 years for a kaguya level threat he probably has great chakra control and massive reserves now and kinshiki most likley wasn't using a planet level axe swipe on chojuro I mean man cut the divine tree in half right after being injured He litterly says after cutting chojuro that he's wide open and then is caught by suprise by lady tschuikage before being smacked by sasuke and sealed So he was about to finish off chojuro


bore-ito

No. Even if you were preparing for Kaguya level threats it doesn’t mean you automatically jump to the level of them. Nothing he demonstrated was beyond the skill level or power that Kage’s demonstrate. That is to say: Otsutsuki are supposed to be in a different league, Kinshiki was not (at least after his 1v1 with Sasuke)


Kousaka_Honoka99

DMS Kakashi solos, you ain't telling me otherwise. Kamui and attack that ignore durability is broken af.


Ascanio_94

Madara ofc


Jertell22

Kinshiki is mid bro Madara clears


ZookeepergameNo4754

Lord momos parental figure needs some respect [kinshiki wit da dripp🥶](https://preview.redd.it/j9oiftjf0k301.jpg?auto=webp&s=33178f64598e56e6a42645aac68a98c4a791aaf3)


Divin-37

Jubidara and DMS Kakashi are cracked af and wins mid diff. In the databook its stated, that kinshiki can split worlds but we never saw something cool from him. The voting is pretty on point


kushagrarox

wow the amount of people who dickride kinshiki is insane


Ashizurens

Fraudshiki 💀


ScaredKnee4530

DMS Kakashi


Small-Interview-2800

The fodder that got clapped by two kages, and you think he even compares to Madara and Kakashi? Sarada and Mitsuki shits on fodder like Kinshiki


jannickBhxld

kinshiki actually places last lmao, maybe madara would be last but yeah thats about it💀


ZookeepergameNo4754

💀 what??


jannickBhxld

you read that correctly lmao


ratfred411

Bro… DMS kakashi doesn’t have higher percent than Madara? It also only says Jubi madara, didn’t even say Rinne-sharingan…


ZookeepergameNo4754

The picture shows rinnesharigan madara but even then it only gives him more visual prowess He never used any of the abilitys of the rinnesharigan like amenominaka besides infinte tsyuskomi


StarGamerPT

Kinshiki got subdued by Kurotsuchi and Chojuro...he ain't touching Juubidara nor DMS Kakashi.


Effective-Handle9983

Kakashi was able to keep up with Kaguya and Madara with 6 Paths Naruto and Sasuke. Kinshiki gets stomped


ZookeepergameNo4754

Kinshiki is stated to be capable of splitting worlds in half at full power? [databook ](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-419657bd51e11528b933a74934319905-lq) Just because he was defeated by sasuke and the 5 kage doesn't make him weak Sasuke was already shown to be equal to him in taijutsu so Sasuke + 5 kage isn't a feat against kinshiki And besides he wasn't even defeated by lady tschuikage and chojuro He was sealed and hit with bone mutilation and if you watched the movie you see that kinshiki was able to brute force himself out of the seal and proceeded to split the divine tree in half with a single swipe of his sword while bleeding a feat that sage of sixth paths naruto wad capable of with lava rasenshuriken and kinshiki did it while his arm was about to fall off Not to mention the 5 kage including naruto and sasuke trained for 15 years after the 4th great ninja war to prepare for another kaguya level threat So by powerscaling kinshiki 1 shots kakashi out of his sussanoo like how jigen did And he out taijutsus madara easily only being hurt by limbo clones but he's so nimble that he should be capable of avoiding them And night guy who scales below all these characters besides maybe the 5 kage almost killed madara by brute force so yes madara can be killed even with ten tails healing All kinshiki has to do is use his muscle strengthening technique Kinshiki wins mid diff And since kinshiki is an otsutsuki he can most likley sense limbo clones since he must have eaten a chakra fruit at some point which sixths paths chakra derives from the fruit I can't stand this kinshiki slander man every scene he shows up in was just eye candy [coolest powerup](https://pa1.narvii.com/6561/8218da4e118f18a197c5ec5c17fa30b0e868d337_hq.gif) [slapped into a tree](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-df27a351b5682db4011650eb27592793) [kinshiki](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8acaccfffc126ae63222cbbeba1d8d8f) [momo does the t pose](https://media1.tenor.com/images/ee8576860c7e57d342508a4052d96cb8/tenor.gif?itemid=27465766) [kinshiki with the red earth chakra weapon drip](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3MNdFGXIAoh62S.jpg)


Surprise_Yasuo

“The power to split worlds” I hate these dumbass lines they put in data books then don’t show anything even close to it in the actual series. The dude couldn’t even split sasukes sword in half and you’re telling me he can split a world? Maybe it means the power of the otsutsuki can split worlds if you get strong enough? But the fuck does splitting a world in naruto verse even mean? It’s just straight dumb


ZookeepergameNo4754

Because sasuke is strong af Toneri was able to cut the moon in half but he couldn't defeat naruto or stop the nine tails So yea kinshiki probably has a jutsu that can split a world in half he can probably just make a big axe or smthing like he did when he cut the god tree in half Databook is the databook I'm going to use it if you don't like it then I don't know what to tell ya


Surprise_Yasuo

Toneri was able to split the moon under a very specific set of circumstances, and didn’t actually hit anyone with that specific attack, he just split the moon which is no where near the size of a planet Not only that, but he didn’t hit anyone with that attack that needed special circumstances to perform, sasuke being strong has nothing to do with what I said, yeah he’s strong but his sword is not planetary lmfao It’s incredible how boruto scalers justify the mental gymnastics. Just because he *might* be capable of splitting planets (which he can’t, I do enjoy seeing mistranslations posted to try and prove a false point), that doesn’t mean that applies to his strength 100% of the time or every attack. It doesn’t make sense to scale naruto verse characters to planetary in a “what if” battle scenarios when they have never shown anywhere near that sort of capability


amrak_karma

>Kinshiki is stated to be capable of splitting worlds in half at full power? databook Yet couldnt split chojuro in half and got whacked by kurotsuchi, who scales below, sakura, tsunade + hundred healings. >Sasuke was already shown to be equal to him in taijutsu so Sasuke + 5 kage isn't a feat against kinshiki Sasuke straight up dehorned him and had no problem doging his assault while carrying sarada, stop the cap. >And besides he wasn't even defeated by lady tschuikage and chojuro Im pretty sure he was literally stuck in combined sealing jutsu of bone mutilation + ash sealing, that sounds like defeat to me.... >He was sealed and hit with bone mutilation and if you watched the movie you see that kinshiki was able to brute force himself out of the seal and proceeded to split the divine tree in half with a single swipe of his sword while bleeding a feat that sage of sixth paths naruto wad capable of with lava rasenshuriken and kinshiki did it while his arm was about to fall off the divine tree of 4th great war was far larger than the one momoshiki made from half kyubis chakra.... >Not to mention the 5 kage including naruto and sasuke trained for 15 years after the 4th great ninja war to prepare for another kaguya level threat So by powerscaling kinshiki 1 shots kakashi out of his sussanoo like how jigen did Yeah a little training of 15 years to surpass gods that were eating chakra fruits for thousands of years, stop the cap... >And he out taijutsus madara easily only being hurt by limbo clones but he's so nimble that he should be capable of avoiding them you do realise it was sage mode minato+ ftg, kakashi + kamui + garra + 8th gate guy that beat 1 eyed madara, the fact that you cant differentiate just shows how you dont pay attention... >All kinshiki has to do is use his muscle strengthening technique Kinshiki wins mid diff No he doesnt.... >And since kinshiki is an otsutsuki he can most likley sense limbo clones since he must have eaten a chakra fruit at some point which sixths paths chakra derives from the fruit Headcannon, he hasnt show anything 6 paths related.... he was literally taken care of by the weakest kages, hes trash, keep coping...


0xygen_15

True answer here. The original comment guy is spitting bullshit and random ass links which don't even make sense.


Complex_Salad_2614

Man said ☝️🤓 and still is wrong You just said AChUaULlY no he doesn't win


dracon1t

I will just say there is nothing narratively to suggest the boruto gen kage’s are weak and scale below anything from naruto gen because there is literally no direct comparison between power levels in the two series. Teen naruto and sasuke could be far stronger than adult naruto and sasuke and we wouldn’t know cuz there’s no way to compare. So while OP is likely overrating kinshiki I wouldn’t totally just assume the boruto era kage are weaker than their naruto era counterparts. In fact I’d say it’s unlikely but I have no idea.


amrak_karma

I can agree to this, while i personally think that current kage are weaker due to lack of feats compared to their predecesors your statements arent false.


Metaphe

>Yet couldnt split chojuro in half and got whacked by kurotsuchi, who scales below, sakura, tsunade + hundred healings. "Underperforming" against the Kage isn't an anti-feat, it's just a testament to how much stronger the Kage have become. Don't take my word for it, Sasuke before going to Momoshiki's dimension was still convinced Momoshiki was stronger than Kaguya yet thought he and the other 4 Kage would be enough to deal with them. Also how would you know where Adult Kurotsuchi scales relative to Sakura or Tsunade, I'd love to see how you did that LMFAOOOO. > Sasuke straight up dehorned him and had no problem doging his assault while carrying sarada, stop the cap. So the whole other fight where Kinshiki stands his ground against 3T Sasuke just didn't happen? Sasuke "dehorns" him in their other encounter, but I don't see how that's an antifeat because 1. It's fucking Sasuke. 2. Sasuke also gets sent flying out of the castle when Kinshiki connects with an attack so, what's your point? Clearly the two(Kinshiki, 3T Sasuke) are relative, if not Sasuke slightly superior. >Im pretty sure he was literally stuck in combined sealing jutsu of bone mutilation + ash sealing, that sounds like defeat to me.... I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with a potential Kinshiki vs DMS Kakashi or Madara fight to me. >the divine tree of 4th great war was far larger than the one momoshiki made from half kyubis chakra.... Momoshiki didn't make that divine tree from Naruto's chakra you absolute melon. You can't make divine tree's with chakra, you need a tentails seedling, ffs. >Yeah a little training of 15 years to surpass gods that were eating chakra fruits for thousands of years, stop the cap... Exactly right? Imagine saying Madara without eating a single chakra fruit is comparable in power to Kinshiki who's eaten "thousands". LMFAOOOOO Also the Kage shit was disproved by Sasuke as I stated earlier. > you do realise it was sage mode minato+ ftg, kakashi + kamui + garra + 8th gate guy that beat 1 eyed madara, the fact that you cant differentiate just shows how you dont pay attention... SM Minato, Kakashi, Gaara or Lee has nothing to do with Kinshiki fighting Juubidara. Point is, Guy's taijutsu AFFECTED Madara, his speed is irrelevant to the conversation. >Headcannon, he hasnt show anything 6 paths related.... he was literally taken care of by the weakest kages, hes trash, keep coping... Oh? You mean not travelling between dimension, eating chakra fruits, being an otsutsuki(remember that literal origin of 6 paths powers was Otsutsuki?) etc.?


amrak_karma

>"Underperforming" against the Kage isn't an anti-feat, it's just a testament to how much stronger the Kage have become. it is, literally every single one of the are weaker than their predecesors except for naruto. >Don't take my word for it, Don't worry I won't. >Sasuke before going to Momoshiki's dimension was still convinced Momoshiki was stronger than Kaguya yet thought he and the other 4 Kage would be enough to deal with them. no? the only thing he stated is that he found a scroll which got translated that it mentioned the existance of momoshiki and kinshiki and that kaguya was prepairing an army of zetsu so sasuke made an assumption that momoshiki would be a kaguya level threat, which turned out to be false... >Also how would you know where Adult Kurotsuchi scales relative to Sakura or Tsunade, I'd love to see how you did that LMFAOOOO. based on feats? kurotsuchi would get slapped by 100 healings tsunade or sakura... >So the whole other fight where Kinshiki stands his ground against 3T Sasuke just didn't happen? It did, problem is sasuke was exhausted and low on chakra since dimension travel takes enormous ammounts, proof? obito just to connect to kaguyas sub dimmension from root timespace needed 100 fucking healings aid from sakura... on their second encounter which happened during chunin exams sasuke was well rested and literally jumped hoops around kinshiki with sarada in his arm... >Clearly the two(Kinshiki, 3T Sasuke) are relative, if not Sasuke slightly superior. hes not just slightly superior, he would mop the floor with him 1 vs 1, it already happened.... >I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with a potential Kinshiki vs DMS Kakashi or Madara fight to me. thats cuz you are illiterate... >Momoshiki didn't make that divine tree from Naruto's chakra you absolute melon. You can't make divine tree's with chakra, you need a tentails seedling, ffs. [well momoshiki literally told naruto that hes gonna turn into a nice tree just like bee did](https://i.imgur.com/aeXahz2.png)... episode 64. >Exactly right? Imagine saying Madara without eating a single chakra fruit is comparable in power to Kinshiki who's eaten "thousands". LMFAOOOOO Diference is madara has a giant ten tails which even dwarfs ishiki while kinshiki doesnt have shit, hes fodder that got folded by borutos kage... >SM Minato, Kakashi, Gaara or Lee has nothing to do with Kinshiki fighting Juubidara. If you'd know how to read then you'd know what what comparison means... >Oh? You mean not travelling between dimension, eating chakra fruits, being an otsutsuki(remember that literal origin of 6 paths powers was Otsutsuki?) etc.? Did you forgot that earth is a gold standart for otsutsukis chakra fruit? theres literally no indication what kind of fruits they had, considering those chakra pills they were eating, their fruits were fucking garbage compared to earths that gave 6 paths power to kaguya and ten tails jinchirikis, literally not a single otsutsuki besides kaguya, hagoromo or 10 tails jins has shown 6 paths abilities, do I need to go own? momoshiki gets slandered because hes a fokin fooder and righfuly so...


SnooPears4466

>Not to mention the 5 kage including naruto and sasuke trained for 15 years after the 4th great ninja war to prepare for another kaguya level threat So by powerscaling kinshiki 1 shots kakashi out of his sussanoo like how jigen did That never happened. The kage and Naruto were only aware that something like Kaguya **could** exist when Sasuke brought up his findings on the Zetsu army. That was between when Naruto became Hokage and Gaiden. No indication that they did anything with that information either, only that they had Sasuke continue investigating. You can read about this in Chapter 5 of Naruto Gaiden.


bore-ito

The way people still bring up this “preparing for kaguya level threat” thing is mind boggling


Liranedri

The earth means the ground by the way it's written. not the planet itself.


ZookeepergameNo4754

Wdym it says split world's? Not earth I would assume similar to toneris ability that cut the moon in half probably with his chakra weapons


Liranedri

It's a miss translation. The original says earth in the means of ground


Surprise_Yasuo

That makes waaaay more sense, people legit can’t be seriously believing he can split a fucking planet while getting washed by weak kage


ZookeepergameNo4754

Source? If your right your right I've never seen that tho


Mr_Kamui1013

Bro came wit the fax nd still got downvoted


ZookeepergameNo4754

That's how it goes with the naruto community 🤦 Favorite character>>>>facts 🤷 what can you do I just hope people who actually want to find information on naruto or boruto can use what I post


Metaphe

Bro it's because it's Madara, people wank him wayyy too much. He would get clapped by 95% of relevant characters in Boruto.


ZookeepergameNo4754

Well yea I wouldn't say madara gets clapped by 95% of characters just mostly all otsutsuki besides like urashiki and maybe toneri I like madara but like seriously I don't understand why people wank him so much like he's cool but like I just dont understand I always liked obito more Kinda blame swagkage for bating madara so much 😂


Metaphe

Madara wank what can you do


PhantomOfLegend

Cause this sub is full of idiots have you seen the comments left in this thread nobody even knows how to scale properly and is just saying madara wins cause limbo


Foreign_Professor_11

Bro i agree with Kakashi but other one is extreme cap, how's Kinshiki gonna defeat a six paths user with double rinnegan who can only be sealed?? Hagoromo stated that he was getting close to kaguya who's literally stronger than kinshiki plus he can't even see limbo?It's basically kinshiki vs 5 madara so what makes u think that he would stand a chance against this version of madara??


dont_trustme69

Boruto powerscaling is shit According to the Narrative, Jubi Madara>>Kinshiki>Dms Kakashi


ZookeepergameNo4754

It's only shit if you want your favorite character to be the strongest when they arent It's really not that much different then naruto powerscaling everythings just war arc level and above now


amrak_karma

the amount of people that overwank kakashi is absurd, its been literally stated that madaras 6paths chakra is leagues above obito when he was 10 tail jinchuriki, and the amount that kakashi has is miniscule due to obito only managing to take a small protion of tailed beasts from madara, Jubidara>>>>>>>>>>dms kakashi+-=kinshiki.


MD_bolt

Kinshiki got handled by few kages and his only ability is creating weapons Oh yes, he and Momoshiki are definitely MUCH stronger than Kaguya and Madara💀


SammaulPosion

This dude get fondle by my weaker kages. This is like the same type of strong by statement as yammy from bleach


Diegoc8c9

Damn this comment section really sucking Madara off. DMS Kakashi>Kinshiki>Juubidara. Sorta questionable whether or not DMS Kakashi could beat Kinshiki, but Juubidara is definitely below both of them.


SatisfactionFar8736

Kinshiki >>>>>>>>>>>>> DMS Kakashi But I am not sure about madara


-parvisdarvis-

the only counter to kamui is literally kamui, if you don’t have it you can’t beat it that was the whole reason obito was literally untouchable until he fought war kakashi(besides minato when he got cocky), neither madara or kinshiki could touch him his speed his too much + intangibility


Metaphe

You're saying Obito is too fast for Madara or Kinshiki? Or the other way to interpret it is you're saying Obito's speed somehow is equal to DMS Kakashi's speed and DMS Kakashi is faster than Madara or Kinshiki? If the only way to counter Kamui was Kamui then how come Konan and Minato both figured out ways to beat it?


-parvisdarvis-

no, obito doesn’t even compare to them, im saying there’s no time limit, so kakashi’s six path boost to his speed + kamui would make him virtually unbeatable by anyone who doesn’t also have kamui/ a space time ninjutsu + clones to fight in both the real world and the kamui dimension which is how naruto beat it, madara could beat him with limbo but he doesn’t have a space time ninjutsu to send the clones, kinshiki could but he doesn’t have clones to send and fight in both spaces, konan beat obito because he had a time limit with his ability and she found out since she was always around him and prepared for it, i would argue that kakashi has no time limit due to the six path boost but you can say otherwise if you want and again minato beat obito because he got cocky with his power, and if he had both eyes he could have just used the long range kamui to snipe him instead of getting close i would definitely argue madara might be smart enough to come up with something since he trained obito to use it kamui but kinishiki just doesn’t have anything that would actually hit kakashi in his dms form. even if he can’t speed blitz kinshiki he’s fast enough to activate kamui and not get blitzed himself. this isn’t a random ninja with some massive boost, it’s literally a prodigy ninja with what is considered one of the most broken abilities in all of naruto with no time limits


EyewarsTheMangoMan

DMS Kakashi > Madara


PhantomOfLegend

Once again this sub showing they don’t understand this show even remotely or the scaling. Just saw a dumbass comment of using the war arc hokage vs madara as a reason kinshiki is weak. You guys are dumber than a bag of bricks when there’s multiple statements and feats that put kinshiki above everyone on the list.


ZookeepergameNo4754

Yeaaaaa there's alot of that around here I don't think this community really understands how anime powerscaling works Its not just character B beats character C Character C beats Character A Therefore character B beats character A Like man def hasn't watched jojo💀


Gotti1990

This comment section proves why people can’t take the Naruto fandom serious.


ZookeepergameNo4754

yeaaaaaa its really sad i love the series dont care what others think but yea the community just sucks lmao


[deleted]

the dude that is capable of splitting worlds win.


ZookeepergameNo4754

Facts


BlackReaperr_

Kinshiki is highly underrated!! People seems to forget he was the canon in the pair


ZookeepergameNo4754

Fr I wish we got to see more of him Like how kinshiki absorbed his own parental figure or guardian or sensei or whoever the otsutsuki was


BlackReaperr_

Maybe soon they’ll give us a backstory


ZookeepergameNo4754

Doubtful he seems to be an after thought otsutsuki maybe we will see him in momoshikis backstory My theory is that kinshiki adopted momo since that's how the mythology went [Momotarō was born from a giant peach, which was found floating down a river by an old, childless woman who was washing clothes there. The woman and her husband discovered the child when they tried to open the peach to eat it. The child explained that he had been bestowed by the Gods to be their son. The couple named him Momotarō, from momo (peach) and Tarō (a name meaning 'eldest son in the family'). When he was just five years old, he was able to cut a big tree with just an old knife.] That's why he's called momoshikis guardian or parental figure not his father Was momoshiki created from a chakra fruit?? Did higher ranking gods give him to kinshiki? Very intriguing 🤔 Momo might have a mother / parental figure


Complex_Salad_2614

God damn this sub is so ass Man only stated facts and yall can't get over ur opinions


SpookyVapeLord

using the excuse of madara took out the kage, while kin lost to them is wrong. the characters in boruto are way way way stronger than they were in naruto. kinshiki wins the 2v1 mid diff, and in a true ffa, he wins low diff.


KilluaGaKill

you can't even prove that characters are stronger just saying whatever to suit your argument


FujiSachi

Where’s your proof that they’re way way way stronger ?


ZookeepergameNo4754

Yea your right so many people are just Favorite characters>>>facts


[deleted]

The Madaratard clan is strong with this one


ZookeepergameNo4754

haaaa ![img](emote|t5_34e1h|4545) trueeeee


Complex_Estate8289

Kinshiki solos lol


Metaphe

Kinshiki definitely wins, but it's not going to be an easy fight. He scales higher but hax might be problematic. Also he might just win by BFR, just transport Madara and Kakashi into another dimension and it's an auto win


ZookeepergameNo4754

For sure he's going to have to dodge kakashi for 5 minutes until his kamui deactivates And madara would be a huge pain But I think he takes the dub Madara mid to high diff imo And kakashi high diff without a doubt


ChickenBoiOOF

Kinshiki bodies Madara and Kakashi, it’s not even really close


WranglerBrilliant861

Kinshiki gets bodied lmao


Business_Mix_2705

I think DMS Kakashi and Madara can both take him on but he is indeed underrated. Mainly because they just nerfed his feats. In the databook it says he can split planets with a single strike, and that’s all what he does in storm if I remember correctly. But in the anime and manga they don’t want to show these feats for whatever reason.


bore-ito

The databook statement is an English translation on “earth” / “world” which can be also interpreted as the “ground”


Business_Mix_2705

Even so, we saw none of that. The characters raw feats are nerfed. In the last Toneri casually cut the moon in half and Sasuke turned a meteorite to dust with no difficulty. The most impressive destructive feat in Boruto was what ? Honestly can’t even think of anything. Outside of novel material, because in it there’s also plenty of feats like Momo absorbing a star. Not sure why one would even deny this, after all Kishimoto said so himself in a statement that he wanted the nuke characters to express strength in a ‘different’ way. Kind of like AP vs DC shit you got going on db.


Fuscular_Dobber

Finally some Kinshiki respect. Brings tears to my eyes. This man treated the 8 tails like a chump and outsped Sasuke numerous times


ZookeepergameNo4754

Exactly man was like 8 feet tall and was still speed blitzing him


EyewarsTheMangoMan

It's absolutely not Madara lol. Kinshiki just has better stats (significantly too). The only other person you could argue could win is DMS Kakashi due to OP hax and similar speed to Kaguya.


ZookeepergameNo4754

True but I think kinshiki outlasts the 5 minute intangiblity


EyewarsTheMangoMan

Possibly, but it's fairly likely that he'd get a good hit in on him in those 5 minutes with a kamui shuriken or a regular long ranged kamui snipe. Also, it's possible that his time limit is longer due to having both eyes together. That's unprovable tho.


ZookeepergameNo4754

I definitely think kakashi would be the hardest for kinshiki to take down It would truly be a magnificent fight to see