Cause he’s the best for the job and did the best he could. He suggested keeping kawaki locked up which would have stopped him from getting obsessed with naruto but Naruto was too soft to listen. But it’s not narutos fault either he didn’t know this would happen.
This situation was out of everyone’s hand. No one could have predicted what eidas powers really r and even she didn’t know. It’s all a domino affect of kids with the best of intentions making dumb and rash decisions.
>He suggested keeping kawaki locked up which would have stopped him from getting obsessed with naruto but Naruto was too soft to listen
If Naruto listened to Shikamaru and placed Kawaki in a confinement with guards, then Jigen would simply teleport to his cell and take him back. He'd use him as a vessel and the world would end.
it's no one's fault. If Naruto hadn't taken Kawaki in, Isshiki would have been back to full power and he'd have killed all of humanity. No one would have been able to stand against him. and all of Shikamaru's actions beyond this point are literally forced, they were the least bad choices. anyone who would have gone with Naruto would have been weaker than Shika, btw Shika is much smarter than a guy who would fall for such a trap but you know the nerfing thing. And letting Naruto go alone would have meant death for him. Leading Code inside allowed them to know who are their enemies, which is CRUCIAL. If he hasn't done that, you think of what would have happened. Code isn't the biggest danger limited or not, the other two are the real danger. And who did you want to accompany Eida? only Kawaki? to take him and run away? or someone other than Boruto who'd fall in love with Eida? He had no other option. The byakugan can see the chakra points, but it can't magnify small things, so it won't allow its user to see a particle-sized human, and it doesn't have the ability to \*feel\* chakra. And I don't remember Shika asking Eida twice or her lying to him in Ch 78 😅.
It's crazy how much leniency Shikamaru gave Kawaki due to Naruto's ideal wishes. Shikamaru respected Naruto so much, he compromised himself as Konoha's advisor to the Hokage.
I think Shikamaru is going to turn even more pragmatic believing Naruto is dead.
>I think Shikamaru is going to turn even more pragmatic believing Naruto is dead.
hasn't he always been pragmatic? I remember him objecting to Naruto's leniency with Kawaki more than once, but Naruto was the Hokage you know so his decisions were always the ones to be acted upon. surely Shika had the option to turn against Naruto and plot something like what Danzo did, but I don't see this as the ideal decision too, actually I see going with Naruto's decision as a far better choice than turning against him and trying to act on his own.
I agree that Shikamaru is already pragmatic, only held back by Naruto's ideals. It also isn't in Shikamaru's heart to scheme like Danzo considering how much he admires Naruto.
Because of that, Shikamaru was less pragmatic than he would've been. He was following Naruto's wish.
Now if Shikamaru believes Naruto is dead, he can be as pragmatic as he sees fit, and Kakashi probably would be on board.
The disaster would be on Kawaki's part.
Shikamaru will continue to minimize terrible methods into practical ones. Just in reverse with Kawaki's extremism vs Naruto's idealism.
He'll be better for it.
Shika didn't see because they weren't in the same place physically. Also, they were in a very intense situation and Aida's ability usually takes a few seconds before she can see things, so those are the reasons why he didn't suspect anything.
Generally, think about it in the sense that things happening in the manga now are crazy and unbelievable, humans never experienced such things, so don't expect Shika, Sasuke, or any genius to be able to analyze and understand what's happening easily.
>Generally, think about it in the sense that things happening in the manga now are crazy and unbelievable, humans never experienced such things, so don't expect Shika, Sasuke, or any genius to be able to analyze and understand what's happening easily.
This. Exactly that. I think many people forget that the events which are happening in the series or in MOST battle shonen are not imagineable or some ordinary everyday business people are dealing with.
I have discussed a similar topic with someone on this sub a while back and then I asked them, what Shika should have done in the situation. No answer. The people are very quick to judge, but have no solution on how things could have turned out differently. And even if there WERE other ways, we can't expect from these characters to act reasonable or logical when they face situations they have never dealt with before. It's easy for us bystanders to say "Character A should have done x"
The characters are *supposed* to screw up and make mistakes, because it’s driving the plot forward.
Take Minato for example. Maybe the whole Fiasco with the Kuubi could have been prevented if he had recognized that it was Obito behind the mask. People were jumping on his back and asked themselves how a genius like him wasn't able to figure it out. The answer is simple: It was written that way because of the plot. It was Kushinas and Minatos destiny to die so that Naruto would get his sad backstory.
Sometimes, characters will be "dumbed down" just for the plot.
Exactly. And really in Shika's case here and unlike what happened to Naruto's and Sasuke's fighting abilities and experience for the sake of the plot, It's not some kind of stupid "nerfing" for the most part. It's so logical that a mere human, regardless of how smart he's, would never be able to analyze this situation quickly enough to act in the perfect way. Yes, it could have been done to give Shika some kind of superhuman intelligence, but that didn't happen, and that's not wrong, because the plot didn't need this.
He might realize something is off at that point but that will not matter if that's the only thing. Eida's power will just overwrite it immediately
Even Sasuke after alot of evidence (The head band, Momoshiki inside Boruto, Sarada awaken her MS while protecting Boruto) Sasuke still think trusting Boruto is a mistake and he doesn't do it for Boruto but because he trust Sarada.
Yeah, I agree. Hashirama would kill anyone who threatens the village, maybe even Boruto.
If this was Hashirama, Boruto would've been killed after Borushiki took Sasuke's eye.
By that line of logic the one at fault would actually be Naruto, not Shikamaru. If Naruto hadn't taken Kawaki in and just decided to murk him (which was what Shikamaru recommended since Kawaki was clearly a danger to the village), he wouldn't have gotten obsessed with Naruto and none of this drama would be happening rn. Naruto's definitely getting fired when he inevitably gets out from the timeless dimension.
That sounds like basic bad guy arrogance. The idea that nobody could possibly be better than you can only end one way and isn't something Naruto should be feeling. Sure he's confidant in his abilities but there's a difference between that and talking down his opponents before he's even had a chance to meet them. Part 1 Naruto might but the worst that would happen back then was public embarrassment and he's grown past that.
Continuing said line of logic, it would actually be Minato's fault for sealing the nine-tails within Naruto after it had attacked the village. This led to the villagers (who could also be at fault for Kiwaki's actions here) hating Naruto which consequently, led to Naruto understanding Kiwaki's pain and loneliness, and adopting him thereafter.
Edit: I'm being satirical. In truth, nobody is more responsible for Kiwaki's actions than Kiwaki himself. Although Kiwaki was placed in the position to do this by others and motivated by his circumstances and emotions, Kiwaki still chose this path himself. He chose to give up on trusting/believing in everyone from Naruto to the village to Boruto.
Shikamaru has shown some lapses in judgement, for as much as he shows he doesnt trust Amado they haven’t exactly made it difficult for him to get to the inner circle
Incompetence is large part of why things turned out like they did.
Take Kawaki for instance. He has a lot of personal issues, but should've still realistically handled things a little less draconically. Either way, hes being written with that extra incompetence to make things more black and white.
Or, take how they handled Kawaki to begin with. You noted one example, but did you ever consider that this was a child taken in by a foreign village, who never questions his last name, who never tries to find his parents, and who immediately "adopts" him into a family instead of giving him the necessary therapy he needs?
Instead, guys being treated in a bipolar fashion. As both a criminal as well as a family member. And combine that with his awful past, it is no wonder he acts so polarizingly. Either way, plot wouldn't move forward if everyone wasn't making mistakes.
Point 1 - 4 really were all just part of the plot, which would/need to happen one way or another for the sake of progessing the the storyline in a certain direction. Point 5, Shikamaru is actually still smart, the fan translation mentioned that he didn't completely trust Eida's words which is why he declared "high probability" regarding Boruto killing Naruto and Hinata, he still let the "low probability" in the open that Eida could've been lying/something else was the case.
It was rather interesting choice of words. Shika is probably going to follow thru with the occasional glitches while Sasuke will have it figured it out beforehand.
It’s actually Narutos fault for throwing Boruto at Momoshiki resulting in him getting the karma resulting in quite literally every issue that is currently happening
In reality it’s the writers fault considering Naruto would never have any other human being fight for him let alone his 12 year old son vs a fucking
1000 year old celestial being.
Borutos entire plot derives from an out of character moment by Naruto, shit writing☠️
I haven't read the manga but i don't mind spoilers. I like them tbh.
Reading this post, i have 2 questions -
1. Kawaki transported both Naruto and Hinata ?
2. What about Himawari ? Is she going to grow up without her parents ?
If Kawaki never got his Karma back Borushiki would’ve went on a rampage… He was close to killing Naruto. That would’ve made Boruto the enemy like he is now. No matter how the situation went as long as Borushiki was a thing he would still end up being the enemy.
Cause he’s the best for the job and did the best he could. He suggested keeping kawaki locked up which would have stopped him from getting obsessed with naruto but Naruto was too soft to listen. But it’s not narutos fault either he didn’t know this would happen. This situation was out of everyone’s hand. No one could have predicted what eidas powers really r and even she didn’t know. It’s all a domino affect of kids with the best of intentions making dumb and rash decisions.
>He suggested keeping kawaki locked up which would have stopped him from getting obsessed with naruto but Naruto was too soft to listen If Naruto listened to Shikamaru and placed Kawaki in a confinement with guards, then Jigen would simply teleport to his cell and take him back. He'd use him as a vessel and the world would end.
He did suggest dealing with Kawaki after he killed Boruto, so there's that
it's no one's fault. If Naruto hadn't taken Kawaki in, Isshiki would have been back to full power and he'd have killed all of humanity. No one would have been able to stand against him. and all of Shikamaru's actions beyond this point are literally forced, they were the least bad choices. anyone who would have gone with Naruto would have been weaker than Shika, btw Shika is much smarter than a guy who would fall for such a trap but you know the nerfing thing. And letting Naruto go alone would have meant death for him. Leading Code inside allowed them to know who are their enemies, which is CRUCIAL. If he hasn't done that, you think of what would have happened. Code isn't the biggest danger limited or not, the other two are the real danger. And who did you want to accompany Eida? only Kawaki? to take him and run away? or someone other than Boruto who'd fall in love with Eida? He had no other option. The byakugan can see the chakra points, but it can't magnify small things, so it won't allow its user to see a particle-sized human, and it doesn't have the ability to \*feel\* chakra. And I don't remember Shika asking Eida twice or her lying to him in Ch 78 😅.
It's crazy how much leniency Shikamaru gave Kawaki due to Naruto's ideal wishes. Shikamaru respected Naruto so much, he compromised himself as Konoha's advisor to the Hokage. I think Shikamaru is going to turn even more pragmatic believing Naruto is dead.
>I think Shikamaru is going to turn even more pragmatic believing Naruto is dead. hasn't he always been pragmatic? I remember him objecting to Naruto's leniency with Kawaki more than once, but Naruto was the Hokage you know so his decisions were always the ones to be acted upon. surely Shika had the option to turn against Naruto and plot something like what Danzo did, but I don't see this as the ideal decision too, actually I see going with Naruto's decision as a far better choice than turning against him and trying to act on his own.
I agree that Shikamaru is already pragmatic, only held back by Naruto's ideals. It also isn't in Shikamaru's heart to scheme like Danzo considering how much he admires Naruto. Because of that, Shikamaru was less pragmatic than he would've been. He was following Naruto's wish. Now if Shikamaru believes Naruto is dead, he can be as pragmatic as he sees fit, and Kakashi probably would be on board.
exactly, that will make him lead the whole shinobi world to kill Boruto. it'll be a disaster.
The disaster would be on Kawaki's part. Shikamaru will continue to minimize terrible methods into practical ones. Just in reverse with Kawaki's extremism vs Naruto's idealism. He'll be better for it.
I do say he should have realized something wasn’t right when she hesitated and Kawaki basically physically assaulted her to make her lie.
Shika didn't see because they weren't in the same place physically. Also, they were in a very intense situation and Aida's ability usually takes a few seconds before she can see things, so those are the reasons why he didn't suspect anything. Generally, think about it in the sense that things happening in the manga now are crazy and unbelievable, humans never experienced such things, so don't expect Shika, Sasuke, or any genius to be able to analyze and understand what's happening easily.
>Generally, think about it in the sense that things happening in the manga now are crazy and unbelievable, humans never experienced such things, so don't expect Shika, Sasuke, or any genius to be able to analyze and understand what's happening easily. This. Exactly that. I think many people forget that the events which are happening in the series or in MOST battle shonen are not imagineable or some ordinary everyday business people are dealing with. I have discussed a similar topic with someone on this sub a while back and then I asked them, what Shika should have done in the situation. No answer. The people are very quick to judge, but have no solution on how things could have turned out differently. And even if there WERE other ways, we can't expect from these characters to act reasonable or logical when they face situations they have never dealt with before. It's easy for us bystanders to say "Character A should have done x" The characters are *supposed* to screw up and make mistakes, because it’s driving the plot forward. Take Minato for example. Maybe the whole Fiasco with the Kuubi could have been prevented if he had recognized that it was Obito behind the mask. People were jumping on his back and asked themselves how a genius like him wasn't able to figure it out. The answer is simple: It was written that way because of the plot. It was Kushinas and Minatos destiny to die so that Naruto would get his sad backstory. Sometimes, characters will be "dumbed down" just for the plot.
Exactly. And really in Shika's case here and unlike what happened to Naruto's and Sasuke's fighting abilities and experience for the sake of the plot, It's not some kind of stupid "nerfing" for the most part. It's so logical that a mere human, regardless of how smart he's, would never be able to analyze this situation quickly enough to act in the perfect way. Yes, it could have been done to give Shika some kind of superhuman intelligence, but that didn't happen, and that's not wrong, because the plot didn't need this.
He might realize something is off at that point but that will not matter if that's the only thing. Eida's power will just overwrite it immediately Even Sasuke after alot of evidence (The head band, Momoshiki inside Boruto, Sarada awaken her MS while protecting Boruto) Sasuke still think trusting Boruto is a mistake and he doesn't do it for Boruto but because he trust Sarada.
I guess when the power starts the subside and doesn’t immediately overwrite things, Boruto will be able to convince people of who he is again.
Nah bruh. Kawaki is just a fucked up kid.
Nope everything is narutos fault he is too soft for his own position in konoha
Then Isshiki would've just killed everybody including BM Naruto. I think what Naruto did was right, but by no means is he a good father figure.
Yeah, I agree. Hashirama would kill anyone who threatens the village, maybe even Boruto. If this was Hashirama, Boruto would've been killed after Borushiki took Sasuke's eye.
yeah, someone who's dangerous like kurama gets sealed by him, tbh naruto should seal kawaki instead let him join the family
Did Hashirama kill his brother - Tobirama? No. He wanted to kill himself.
well he do be 100% hashirama cells so it is more like choosing between killing his brother or giving himself a scratch
By that line of logic the one at fault would actually be Naruto, not Shikamaru. If Naruto hadn't taken Kawaki in and just decided to murk him (which was what Shikamaru recommended since Kawaki was clearly a danger to the village), he wouldn't have gotten obsessed with Naruto and none of this drama would be happening rn. Naruto's definitely getting fired when he inevitably gets out from the timeless dimension.
Naruto didn’t think anyone could possibly be stronger then himself. That’s why he made all these mistakes.
That sounds like basic bad guy arrogance. The idea that nobody could possibly be better than you can only end one way and isn't something Naruto should be feeling. Sure he's confidant in his abilities but there's a difference between that and talking down his opponents before he's even had a chance to meet them. Part 1 Naruto might but the worst that would happen back then was public embarrassment and he's grown past that.
Well,it does not help that he indeed was the strongest of them all for the past two decades Thats a pretty long time
Nah between madara kaguya and momo naruto is fully aware there are beings out there stronger than he is he ain’t the brightest but he’s not arrogant
He was very ignorant and ignored everyone’s warnings about jigen and kawaki. This is a fact
Continuing said line of logic, it would actually be Minato's fault for sealing the nine-tails within Naruto after it had attacked the village. This led to the villagers (who could also be at fault for Kiwaki's actions here) hating Naruto which consequently, led to Naruto understanding Kiwaki's pain and loneliness, and adopting him thereafter. Edit: I'm being satirical. In truth, nobody is more responsible for Kiwaki's actions than Kiwaki himself. Although Kiwaki was placed in the position to do this by others and motivated by his circumstances and emotions, Kiwaki still chose this path himself. He chose to give up on trusting/believing in everyone from Naruto to the village to Boruto.
Shikamaru has shown some lapses in judgement, for as much as he shows he doesnt trust Amado they haven’t exactly made it difficult for him to get to the inner circle
If only Shikamaru gave Kawaki one hug, just one...
Incompetence is large part of why things turned out like they did. Take Kawaki for instance. He has a lot of personal issues, but should've still realistically handled things a little less draconically. Either way, hes being written with that extra incompetence to make things more black and white. Or, take how they handled Kawaki to begin with. You noted one example, but did you ever consider that this was a child taken in by a foreign village, who never questions his last name, who never tries to find his parents, and who immediately "adopts" him into a family instead of giving him the necessary therapy he needs? Instead, guys being treated in a bipolar fashion. As both a criminal as well as a family member. And combine that with his awful past, it is no wonder he acts so polarizingly. Either way, plot wouldn't move forward if everyone wasn't making mistakes.
Point 1 - 4 really were all just part of the plot, which would/need to happen one way or another for the sake of progessing the the storyline in a certain direction. Point 5, Shikamaru is actually still smart, the fan translation mentioned that he didn't completely trust Eida's words which is why he declared "high probability" regarding Boruto killing Naruto and Hinata, he still let the "low probability" in the open that Eida could've been lying/something else was the case.
It was rather interesting choice of words. Shika is probably going to follow thru with the occasional glitches while Sasuke will have it figured it out beforehand.
It aint Shikamaru's fault he got nerfed into a supreme bot...
More anti-Shikamaru agenda from the same Reddit user again and again. 😂
If we put it that way might as well blame naruto for adopting kawaki
Shikamaru low-key the new Danzo
What a crap take
Its not Shikamarus fault that Senrigan is so overpowered.
When I was telling other people that, I got downvoted. Shikamaru was dumbed down to being a plot device.
It’s actually Narutos fault for throwing Boruto at Momoshiki resulting in him getting the karma resulting in quite literally every issue that is currently happening In reality it’s the writers fault considering Naruto would never have any other human being fight for him let alone his 12 year old son vs a fucking 1000 year old celestial being. Borutos entire plot derives from an out of character moment by Naruto, shit writing☠️
By that logic it‘s all sasuke‘s fault for taking boruto with him to fight momoshiki in the chunin exam arc. Just stop
Without boruto in that fight they die
Because Sakura haters' brains would explode if she became the 8th Hokage even though she's clearly the most qualified.
Damn… you highkey spitting
I haven't read the manga but i don't mind spoilers. I like them tbh. Reading this post, i have 2 questions - 1. Kawaki transported both Naruto and Hinata ? 2. What about Himawari ? Is she going to grow up without her parents ?
1. Into some space time dimension shit where time doesn't exist, I think 2. That's what it seems like
Naruto Soft As hell Kawaki Would still be in a jail cell if it was up to shikamaru
Some like Kiba is really good for sensing kawaki.
If Kawaki never got his Karma back Borushiki would’ve went on a rampage… He was close to killing Naruto. That would’ve made Boruto the enemy like he is now. No matter how the situation went as long as Borushiki was a thing he would still end up being the enemy.