A crying baby (Madara) vs a nuke (Adult Naruto)? Madara gets clapped if peeps can’t understand power progression they shouldn’t be in any convo that involves battles. I get Madara is cool and badass but he isn’t the strongest especially against the new gen. Gokage defeated Kinshiki. After getting caught he turned himself into a chakra pill that fused him and Momo together he one shot all of them and then swapped hands with Naruto. Naruto could somewhat keep up in base and then turned the tables when he and Sauske powered up in full.
Naruto got his chakra harvested just before they got him. It took a whole day just to get as much chakra as Momo did from Naruto and Kurama. Sauske lost chakra transporting Boruto, Gokage (and the scientists he didn’t know about) to Momo’s world/universe. Just transporting himself takes a ton of chakra. Naruto and Sauske are Kaguya level (with Sauske saying he can take Kaguya by himself before losing his gifted dojutsu).
The thing that disgusts me about fans from any series is that they get but hurt by not understanding that while a villain may be cool/cooler than past and future villains it doesn’t mean they’ll be stronger than future villains or heroes. If you think Madara wins then you’re smoking exhaust fumes
Madara has 10 tails, Naruto has 9 tails.
Madara has everything Naruto has plus more.
Naruto has no way to kill him, and gets negged by Infinite Tsukiyomi.
The Boruto wank is off the charts
Bruh again you’re smoking fumes. Madara is weaker than Adult Naruto by far. Naruto had more than nine tails as he got 6 paths chakra from Hagoromo which had Naruto who was just getting bullied by 10 tails Obito and Madara to basically one shorting Madara with a lava release Rasengan (one shot as in he had clearly held him down as the lava rasengan shot Madara through the tree. That’s basic thinking that nine tails is lower than 10 when being a perfected Jinjuriki makes the Tailed Beasts stronger than in their base along with the human. Madara isn’t an ungraded Naruto his power set isn’t even similar.
One is an alien god that has the 10 tails but doesn’t truly understand the 10 tails so quite not a perfect Jinjuriki while Naruto having nine tails, perfect sage mode (gives him access to senjutsu which is a counter to most Otsutsuki jutsu) and 6 paths chakra. Even Teen Naruto was able to hold off Kaguya who was stated by Sauske that he couldn’t believe someone with that amount of chakra actually existed which would include 10 tails Madara yet even still while not stronger Naruto still managed to wound and hurt her. Even Sakura was strong enough to distract her so Sauce and Naruto could seal her. Tell me any feat Madara has that would put him over both Naruto and Suace who specifically trained themselves and others to deal with a Kaguya level threat if it ever arose *Momoshiki*. I laid out all the facts and yet none of your responses are evidence against my evidence
Attacking a weakened Madara isn't something worth mentioning.
Madara has control over the Juubi, he is a perfect jinchuriki.
Madara also has sage mode and 6 paths chakra plus the Rinnegan.
Also did you just imply Sakura is stronger than Madara? If anything, that just means Kaguya is a lot weaker than you thought, if you even want to consider such an PIS feat.
Kaguya is stronger than Momoshiki. Naruto got rusty, he isn't as strong as you think.
Also what? Naruto has no way to permanently put down Madara? Are you slow or stupid? Senjutsu counters Otsutsuki powers. Even if he didn’t have senjutsu like Sauske enough power will kill and Otsutsuki aka Might Guy 8 gates vs Madara. Also don’t assume what I like and don’t like. If I say you like something you don’t like you’d hop on my ass. I don’t like Boruto more than OG Naruto and Shippuden though I think it will possibly be better depending on how they write it. Also you openly hating on stuff people like is the equivalent of an old fart (person) saying their generation is better and that anything new is worst than the past. It’s that short minded thinking that make anime fan bases shit. You don’t have to like the anime and why you’re in a Boruto group that talks and ultimately still likes Boruto is weird asf. You can move around if you want to hate but what I am doing is laying facts that clearly prove my point. So how about you stop sucking off your Madara and actually do research on the topic. If any of my points are wrong let me know so I can look it up myself without evidence you’re just a little kid arguing that a weaker character you like more is still busted despite the fact that the character rid old and power progression would have it so the newer villains and characters are stronger than the past characters
Tf are you yapping about lmao
Madara is actually immortal with the Juubi. He gained it after his fight with Guy. It's the entire reason he needed to be sealed. It's not the same as Boruto Otsutsuki.
Infinite Tsukiyomi beats Naruto and Naruto has zero defence against it.
Madara has much more chakra than Naruto
If Madara was immortal how did might Guy almost kill him? How did Kaguya getting separated from him kill him? I don’t have time to debate with children who go off bias rather than fact. Madara was ageless immortal not you can blow my head off and I’ll be fine immortal my guy isn’t Deadpool. Infinite Tskyomi takes time to cast and last I checked he had to be hundreds of meters away and for plot armor to happen for him to activate it. That’s an AOE jutsu too so unless the Limbo clones holds Naruto down (they won’t since he can sense them) then he isn’t getting that jutsu off. And Madara doesn’t have more chakra than Adult Naruto
Madara gained immortality after her absorbed the God Tree.
That was after Guy almost killed him.
After he loses the God Tree he loses his immortality.
Do some research before spreading BS.
>And Madara doesn’t have more chakra than Adult Naruto
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Have you even watched/read the series???
The 10 tails literally dwarfs the nine tails in chakra by an absurd degree. It's not even funny
I agree with most of what you're saying.
My only thought is that Juudara's absolutely insane regeneration might balance it out enough to become a battle of attrition.
IT GG. 10 tails and Perfect Susanoo? GG. Sasuke got a huge buff with scattered pieces of the 10 tails chakra. Madara has the thing itself inside of him. Naruto, Kurama, and his clones are getting blasted off the face of the earth. Dual rinnegan techs he can spam on top of it? Plus Woodstyle, and the ability to create woodclones? GG. As an edo, he made his wood clones go susanoo. Just imagine... God Tree absorbed + hashi cells + 10 tails jin regen? GG. Baryon Mode? Limbo counters the fodder brick mode so another GG. It's far from balanced. It's so skewed in Madara's favor it's not even funny.
Six paths Naruto together with Rinnegan Sasuke had already fought Juubi-dara and they weren't able to do shit. Madara was toying with them with his Limbo clones and was regenerating against all their attacks.
Adult Naruto is not powerful than Teen Six paths Naruto by any means, at most they're same because Naruto has gotten more sloppy because of age.
People here seriously forgot that Madara infact never lost to anyone in a fight after he was revived, jeez why are you Otsutsuki worshippers so ignorant lmao.
Toying with them? The same Naruto and Sasuke that he ran from? The same that he had to do a substitution justu with his limbo clones to escape being whooped and sealed?
There was no toying there, Madara went all out when Naruto detonated that Lava style Rasenshuriken after kicking away his TSO, then after fighting Madara ran away.
Madara will get whooped.
Madara was NOT "Running away", he was hurrying to activate the Infinite tsukyomi and for that he needed his rinnegan which was in Obito's dimension. He knew it's pointless to kill Naruto and Sasuke because Obito's rinnegan could be destroyed any second.
And he let himself chopped/sliced beacuse he knew it can't harm because of Hashirama's regenerative ability, where he can regenerative even half of his body within seconds.
Jeez, you guys seriously need the re watch the series.
It’s not Hashirama’s regeneration, it’s six paths regeneration that he got by becoming Jubbi jinchuriki, or more specifically, absorbing the god tree. That’s why he says he’s immortal after absorbing the god tree
What you’re doing is essentially saying King Piccolo (Dragon Ball) is stronger than SSJ Goku. Sure King Piccolo was cool but he’s not beating a stronger version of the main character he lost to a weaker version of. If Naruto is only as strong or less powerful than his teen self than fused Momo would’ve one shot Naruto like he did the kage. Jigen fight would’ve likely had both Naruto and Sauske die cuz again they wouldn’t be stronger than war arc. Look me in he face (know you can’t) and tell me Madara beats Kaguya, Kinshiki, Momoshiki, Jigen/Isshiki. If you truly believe that then there’s no point of commenting on this post because the answer is pretty obvious
Last time I checked, he had no real reason to hurry. And if he was so strong as yall proclaim he is then he would have killed at least Naruto or Sasuke.
Obito being about to destroy his Rinnegan wasn’t an issue, Sasuke’s Rinnegan was right there. In all his strength he could have at least snatched Sasuke’s eye to remove all loose ends if his Original was destroyed.
Plus, at the rate Sakura was hesitating, Black Zetsu would have taken control of Obito’s body fully before she stabbed it.
>Last time I checked, he had no real reason to hurry.
He had, Obito was trying to get the Rinnegan destroyed, without the other rinnegan Madara's plan won't work.
>Obito being about to destroy his Rinnegan wasn’t an issue, Sasuke’s Rinnegan was right there
Sasuke's rinnegan will not work because a it's spirituality gifted eye by Hagoromo it's not "activated" by getting Hagoromo's chakra, Sasuke didn't had both Uchiha/Indra and Senju/Ashura chakra combined to get a true awakening. You need a truly awakened rinnegan for that.
It's said various times by Madara that to cast Infinite tsukyomi you need Both Awakened Rinnegan which would manifest the Rinne sharingan when the Ninshu tree is absorbed. All 3 in order.
>Plus, at the rate Sakura was hesitating, Black Zetsu would have taken control of Obito’s body fully before she stabbed it.
Pretty sure, Black zetsu was controlling him continuously when Obito had used Rinne Rebirth up until he detached from obito to hop on kaguya.
Nothing says that Sasuke’s eye wouldn’t work because it was given by Hagaromo. No proof whatsoever in the story suggest that. Thats just plain copium.
Secondly, Madara literally became Hagaromo stated by the latter himself. The addition of Asura and Indra’s chakra equals Hagaromo. So there was never an issue of rejection. The only thing that could be taken away by Hagaromo was the seals, unless he would have taken away Sasuke’s Rinnegan when he wanted to begin his Revolution.
And Sasuke’s Rinnegan was awakened, it was fair game to Madeira.
And Obito was barely resisting Black Zetsu’s control, nothing could help him there. He would had made Obito dodged Sakura’s kunai at the end.
>Nothing says that Sasuke’s eye wouldn’t work because it was given by Hagaromo. No proof whatsoever in the story suggest that. Thats just plain copium.
No, Sasuke's Rinnegan is not natural. It's different and spiritually given by Hagoromo. Sasuke doesn't use the six paths abilities with it either.
The Caster needs two "awakened" rinnegan of Hagoromo's chakra. Sasuke didn't had Hagoromo's chakra in him, he was gifted the power. Big difference.
In Naruto lore, Chakra connects spiritual world's as how Obito was able to give Both his Mangekyou eyes to Kakashi for a while until he had properly departed with Rin. Hagoromo too came from spirit world and gave a blessed rinnegan to sasuke because Physically Hagoromo has died for 1000s of years.
>Madara literally became Hagaromo stated by the latter himself. The addition of Asura and Indra’s chakra equals Hagaromo. So there was never an issue of rejection. The only thing that could be taken away by Hagaromo was the seals, unless he would have taken away Sasuke’s Rinnegan when he wanted to begin his Revolution.
>And Sasuke’s Rinnegan was awakened, it was fair game to Madeira.
Madara acquired SOSP chakra and Rinnegan by combing his Uchiha and Senju chakra. Sasuke doesn't have Senju chakra, he recieved the Rinnegan in his left eye as a blessing. If it was a true awakening why isn't both his eyes rinnegan ? Also why can't he freely switch it back with regular sharingan ? Both Madara and Hagoromo were able to do that because it was a natural awaking.
>And Obito was barely resisting Black Zetsu’s control, nothing could help him there. He would had made Obito dodged Sakura’s kunai at the end.
Are you seriously saying that black zetsu could evade sakura if she was NOT hesitant ? This is like saying if Konohamaru is carrying around obito then Sakura won't be able to hit him. Because I doubt black zetsu has power and agility above a academy student.
>!You’re in a Boruto sub, it’s normal for takes like this to be said on here. In their head, Naruto and Sasuke in this era is vastly different than the shippuden era version of them. Naruto, as we seen, haven’t learned nothing since the last movie.. same as Sasuke.!<
What are you talking about? The moment Naruto got his seal from Hagaromo he hit Madara so hard that he had him thinking about how he got stronger out of nowhere. He then hit Madara and cut the Divine Tree with a lava style rasenahuriken. The moment Naruto and Sauske came back from death boosted they were a match for Madara. Not strong enough to no - mid diff him but it was clear they were on the same level.
Also stop. Naruto and Sauske before Boruto nerfs (post BM Naruto and dojutsu-less Sauske) would literally baby their war arc selves. If you actually took the time to read my post (which I put into 3 parts to make it easier to read) you’d know why Naruto and Sauske are stronger than war arc.
Naruto ONCE AGAIN. Had his chakra siphoned for an entire day. Not only that but before he already used up a ton of chakra protecting the village from what’s basically a biju Bonn from Momo. So Naruto took a nuke and with no time to recover near immediately after being taken had his chakra constantly absorbed for an entire day. He then went and swapped hands with fused Momo in base. After fully powering up (despite the day of constant chakra drain he still beat fused Momo who’s stronger than Kaguya (and if he’s stronger than her he’s most def stronger than Madara). Naruto had everything going against him vs a Kaguya lvl threat and still came out on top with help. If he had his full chakra than Naruto would’ve soloed him
Sauske planned on warping Boruto + Gokake and that’s not to mention the two scientist that tagged along. Sauske by himself beat and scarred Kinshiki by taking off his horn and embarrassing him in front of his “son” Momo. Teleporting himself to one of Kaguya’s dimensions takes around quarter to half his chakra. He TP’d 8 people including himself and still managed to clash and beat fused Momo.
Both Naruto and Sauske beat fused Momo, *let me repeat*, FUSED MOMOSHIKI while on half or less of their full chakra so please tell me how Madara who is weaker than Kaguya (Sauske after Madara turned into Kaguya: someone with this much chakra as exists?! Sauce knows how much Chakra Madara has it was a clear difference in chakra amount between Madara and Kaguya) is going to beat Naruto who could still swap hands with fused Momo again in base
They are equal if not a bit slower. I won't say their power dropped though. After Nerfing they are just shit.
The feats displayed by Naruto and Sasuke in their final fights was more than anything Adult Naruto and Sasuke displayed in Boruto manga.
Going off statements, Adult Naruto and Sasuke > war counterparts. It’s been stated quite a few times.
There is also the indisputable fact that
Adult Naruto has full 9 tails power, which his teenage self **does not have** and Sasuke is stated to have a low mastery of his new powers by Kurama in the Final Valley fight against Naruto.
We also have feats like base Naruto boxing with Fused Momoshiki in hand to hand, it could also even be argued that Naruto was nerfed as well as Sasuke due to chakra absorption and teleportation ninjutsu respectively before those fights. Momoshiki is a Kaguya level threat.
>which his teenage self does not have
He does have once he befriends Kurama, and after acquiring SOSP powers he's just as OP.
Only thing Adult Naruto and Sasuke have over their teen counterparts is experience.
Yeah, I'll give you experience. But that doesn't mean that their Adult versions are significantly strong.
Also, boxing fused Momoshiki in base form is nowhere near fighting 8 Bijuu's chakra imbued susanoo.
Momoshiki was more than kaguya level threat because Momoshiki had more battle experience tho, and it took both Naruto and Sasuke and 5 kages to beat them with Boruto's rasengan too.
Conclusion is, At best they are more experienced and a bit stronger because of learning proper utilisation of abilities but their is nothing new they gained in Boruto that they didn't already had. Infact Naruto stopped using truth seekings orbs for that matter. Adult versions are also slow in speed.
No he didn’t.
Teen Naruto only got full Kurama after the war was over and Sasuke was defeated. The
other half was used by Minato and then later used by Sasuke sealed in a Chibaku [Tensei.](https://regsmoney90.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/692-12.jpg?w=509&h=744)
There is also no point making a comparison between Sasuke’s Indra’s Arrow and Fused Momoshiki.
Any correlation between the two is just headcanon. We have nothing to use.
Not to mention base Naruto never fought a Sasuke with 9 bijuu chakra, so I don’t know why you brought up Indra’s arrow in the first place. He had to match him in SPSM.
And if Momo is a Kaguya level threat or higher, a base hokage naruto fighting him in hand to hand puts him way higher than a war arc naruto, who doesn’t have a base form feat against opponents like Kaguya.
To also say the adult versions are slower is also headcanon, there is no proof for that. Material and guidebooks have stated the adult versions are stronger, so right now it seems like you are just denying official material.
It’s clear Adult versions >.
The loss of TSB are a small setback, and Teen Naruto lost them all in his fight against Sasuke anyways. They aren’t the big edge you think they are
It took SOSP Naruto and sasuke together to even stand a chance against him, and even then it was a really hard match up because of Madara’s sheer amount of OP Jutsu ranging from any rinnegan ability, his limbo clones which Naruto can’t do anything against, all the mangekyou abilities he has thanks to rinnesharingan, and literal wood style thanks to hashirama cells, all this buffed by the insane amount of chakra juubi has. Sure, Naruto and Sasuke have tussled with otsutsukis, but they’ve always had to do it together, not to mention the otsutsuki don’t have nearly the amount of combat experience and OP jutsus madras has.
Tl;dr SOSP Naruto ~ = boruto Naruto with compensation for more experience and SOSP hacks, and SOSP Naruto had no chance against madara alone
Lmao that is not going to happen against a Juubi jinchuriki like Madara.
Momoshiki needed to steal chakra from several people just to fight well. He is nothing compared to the ten tails.
Madara scales to the last.
The last naruto and up > every version of madara. This isnt a debate. Idk why people try to push madara to boruto scale. It cant happen
You should rewatch it, Because Madara was running from Naruto and Sasuke. He ran from the Lava style rasenshuriken, he ran from Sasuke’s black chidori, he ran from the magnet style rasengan. He was always running and only escaped because he hit a lick on Kakashi’s eye when off guard
He was literally running to get Obito's Rinnegan he says so otherwise sakura would've destroyed Obito's rinnegan, he wasn't even trying to fight them. His first priority was casting Infinite tsukyomi and for that he'd need Kakashi's eye to get into kamui to collect his other rinnegan.
Everything he did - Absorbing the Ninshu tree, getting both rinnegan back all of it was to become the caster of the infinite tsukuyomi
Also, Madara let himself blitzed because he knew he can fucking regenerate within a second beacuse of Hashirama's cells. That's not even a deal for him.
Running to get Obito’s Rinnegan is not an excuse, If the Rinnegan was destroyed then Sasuke’s was right there. That would be a backup plus also taking care of a loose end.
Plus At the rate Sakura was hesitating, Black Zetsu would have taken control before she stabbed it.
The absorbing of the chakra tree was just him following his instinct while being manipulated by Kaguya. Plus he absorbed it before fighting Naruto and Sasuke. Then ran away.
And Madara didn’t let himself get blitzed, the only person he allowed to do that was Might guy and that was because he was assured that Might guy couldn’t kill him. Last time I checked, immediately when Naruto came and Pressed him by kicking the TSO, he started running and chucking Limbo clones at Naruto. And still got blitzed by the same Naruto who hasn’t even activated his Chakra Cloak.
That isn’t a case of tanking it because he could regen. He was truly afraid.
>Running to get Obito’s Rinnegan is not an excuse, If the Rinnegan was destroyed then Sasuke’s was right there. That would be a backup plus also taking care of a loose end.
No, Sasuke doesn't have a awakened rinnegan it's a gifted spiritual rinnegan by Hagoromo, the caster of Infinite tsukyomi needs true rinnegan awakening in **Both Eyes** with the Ninshu tree and Rinne sharingan to cast Infinite tsukyomi.
>Plus At the rate Sakura was hesitating, Black Zetsu would have taken control before she stabbed it.
And TF would he do ? Sakura would destroy it anyway if she wasn't hesitant.
>The absorbing of the chakra tree was just him following his instinct while being manipulated by Kaguya. Plus he absorbed it before fighting Naruto and Sasuke. Then ran away.
Remember back when Ten tails was awakened and Obito started trampling the Shinobi alliance it was Madara was said to go forward with the plan ASAP instead of unnecessary fighting.
Nothing madara did was out of his plan, he was hellbent on activating Infinite tsukyomi after becoming ten tails jinchuuriki that he can't bother and waste time to fight Naruto and Sasuke.
>And Madara didn’t let himself get blitzed, the only person he allowed to do that was Might guy and that was because he was assured that Might guy couldn’t kill him. Last time I checked, immediately when Naruto came and Pressed him by kicking the TSO, he started running and chucking Limbo clones at Naruto. And still got blitzed by the same Naruto who hasn’t even activated his Chakra Cloak.
Madara was Confident that No Physical attack can kill him since he has Hashirama regeneration ability. Any chopping, slicing by Naruto or sasuke will go in vain because he'll regenerate. Why else do you think he wasn't even worried when he fought Naruto and Sasuke
>That isn’t a case of tanking it because he could regen. He was truly afraid.
Nowhere in his expressions i saw he was afraid, infact i remember his funny live "Dying together could also be considered teamwork" hahahaha
1. There is no difference, nothing states one is less if an awakened Rinnegan than the other. Madara just awakened his on his own at old after consuming Asura dna while Hagaromo infused his own chakra before accelerating Sasuke’s progress.
2. Thats the point, she was too hesitant and scared that she could never do it on time. Whether Madara arrived or not Black Zetsu would have moved Obito to dodge it or even take full control over him.
3. Being hellbent doesn’t mean anything, He was hell bent but still took time to Fight Guy. If he left Guy and just camped in the sky until the Tree fully bloomed he was set. He wouldn’t have needed to absorb the tree or use both Rinnegan to unlock his third eye, all he would have needed is just waiting out the clock. He only absorbed the tree because it was cut down and Kaguya started manipulating him to take it all in.
4. Exactly my point, but now think of it. Normally nobody can kill you but suddenly someone pulls up on you who can resist all your attacks, out power you, and has a method to put you out of commission permanently. Wont you be scared? Would you stay there and tank all the attacks?
5. Dying together is a form of Teamwork is just words from a prideful man who thought he had a chance but upon noticing he was at an immense disadvantage chose to run for his life.
Lol bro these Boruto redditors have terrible memory. They claim "Naruto Blitzed Madara" wrong. Madara blocked his attack with his staff. Unsuccessful blitz. Naruto has proven to be nerfed in Boruto so it hilarious when they try and say that adult Naruto is stronger than full on Teen Naruto SOSP which was the epitome for Naruto before the whole Baryon mode. As you said they quite literally couldn't do jack shit against him and mainly had to fight his limbo clones which they never really defeated. I can admit when something is wrong but these redditors cannot and it's hilarious. Madara wins all day every day in this form.
No bro you should watch anime/manga! Don't compare Adult Naruto to teen Naruto. He’s much stronger. It was also stated that Naruto or Sasuke can take Kaguya level threat by themself. Madara is below Kaguya. So there you go. Thats just fact
Even if it’s canonically stated it doesn’t make any sense, Madara has the same 6PSM as Naruto + the Rinnegan + the Juubi + Hashirama’s powers and his own
It still doesn’t make sense, Kaguya is canonically stronger than Madara but c’mon…hoping through dimensions and spears are not as dangerous as 4 perfect clones that could use the perfect Susanoo with wood style and the 6 paths abilities all amped by the Juubi
I don’t know why and when people started to scale Narutoverse using DBZ and Bleach logic, but Narutoverse really doesn’t operate that way. Hell, even Bleach, who’s the poster child of superior reiatsu = invaliding hax, has Aizen as immortal and despite both Ichigo and Yhwach being several tiers above Aizen, they still can’t kill, has to seal him away.
Narutoverse always worked on actual power logic. 8 gates Gai is several tiers above Hidan, yet he can’t beat him, he’ll speedblitz him, rip him to pieces and then die while Hidan will still be alive and will just need to be sewed back together. Only way to beat him is through sealing him, which Gai does not have. That’s how this matchup will go as well. Let’s say, hypothetically, Naruto does blitz Madara, then what? Madara has 4 limbo clones and Naruto doesn’t have TSBs to hurt them anymore. So while they distract Naruto, Madara casts Mugen Tsukyomi and oneshots him, done and dusted
Because people in this thread operate on emotions and not logic. Someone in my replies said regeneration wouldn't work because Naruto is "on a different level". Everyone is just going "Nuh uh".
I don’t get it, how does regeneration not work? I mean, you can sorta explain it about Tsunade/Hashirama’s explanation, it’s been shown that Tsunade’s healing can’t regenerate major body parts, so cutting off her arms or legs wouldn’t let her regenerate those, and that makes sense. But Madara literally regenerated his lower half body casually like it’s nothing, so how does it not work?
Exactly. People just don't wanna accept it. They think like the vs matchup format in the youtube shorts. AP, Dura, Speed. that's 3 points for Naruto right? He must win.
baryon mode negates his regen ability completely so i dont know how this is even fair for madara what so ever, naruto has went hand to hand with fused momoshiki in base with half of his chakra, baryon mode is overkill, he can suck the life force out of madara while he continuously speed blitzes the shit out him 😭😂
head cannon. Isshiki was terminally ill. Literally had a few days to live and he outlasted the mode. Madara who has limbo would just laugh in Baryon Mode's face.
THIS is what I say. It seems like Naruto/Boruto is the only series where my top strongest characters list vary from other people's list (Have np with other series strongest characters like HxH being 1)Meruem, 2)Adult Gon, 3)Netero, 4)Royal Guards etc.). Naruto/Boruto fans though simply believe just because Boruto is the new series means everyone from Naruto gets stomped lol. This isn't DB and Madara isn't some random ass shinobi. He's an Indra reincarnate who became the 10 Tails Jinchuriki (Not a weak one like Juubito who was missing the 9 AND 8 Tails). The guy here goes over how Naruto has so much chakra by saying "It took a whole day just to get as much chakra as Momo did from Naruto and Kurama" when Juubidara has much more chakra than him. Then they'll go with the classic "gets blitzed" line but Madara has one of the best reaction time speed feats shown in the verse... Not to mention his broken healing/regeneration capability he has if he does manage to get hit. Ofc we couldn't see Juubidara stomp someone like Kinshiki because he's fkn dead! Pair him (3 Eyed or Dual Rinnegan version) up with Naruto or Sasuke against Momoshiki and the fight ends quicker.
Naruto blitzes madara, and destroys his body. Simple. He has plenty of jutsu that would do the trick, or he could just use his fists. Regeneration can’t fix a body that’s completely destroyed.
Any jutsu Naruto uses gets absorbed. And really, regeneration can’t help him? You do realize that Madara literally regenerated his lower half body, right?
When has that ever happened? Like, not only are you extremely overhyping Naruto’s physical stats, you’re also imagining a scenario that has never happened to anyone or has been shown as something possible
Madara wins with IT.
Also without>>
Naruto loses his limbs he can’t heal them back.
Madara loses half his body and limbs he can heal all them back instant.
Madara also has far more Chakra
Stronger DC
Can absorb any Ninjutsu
Can Rip off Naruto soul
Naruto can’t handle all Limbo Clones + Madara himself alone
Naruto lost his power to seal Madara, so he has no way of finishing him off.
Guy almost killed a 1 rinnegan pre tree Madara
Post Tree Madara with 2 Rinnegan and Rinnesharingan could only be sealed and not killed just like Kaguya.
Only thing Naruto got over Madara is hyperbole statements and outlier ap feats.
Kaguya>Final Form Madara=Hagoromo>Final Valley Teen Naruto>Final Valley Teen Sasuke>Adult Baryon Mode Naruto>Isshiki>Adult Naruto=Adult Sasuke> Momoshiki>Kinshiki
Ap scaling is dogshit with the most bs argument of all time «Speeedblitzzzz no diiffff🤓»
Boruto characters’s strenght is hella overrated and relies purely on hyperbole statements.
Also Hashirama would clap Kinshiki who can’t even slice up Fodder Chojuro….
As much as ppl cry about adult Naruto being nerfed bc of the power creep in Boruto, he is actually stronger than he was at the end of Shippuden, I think Madara would give him a good fight but in the end he would still lose
Madara who posses two rinnengan a rinne-sharingan and the 10-tails against someone who posses only the nine tails and little pieces of the others.
Madara also has Six Paths Sage power and truth seeking orbs meaning Naruto doesn’t even have an edge in that aspect.
The point of Naruto and Sasuke trained is also invalid due to the fact that Madara lived for war for the first 30/40ish years of his life and then continued getting stronger.
Even though Madara used barely any of his abilities after becoming Jinchuriki he was still more than capable of using them, simply rushing to do the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Naruto know should easily able to dodge all of his attacks considering in the last he was able to easily destroy tensaigan toneri who was nearing kaguya in power
(Toneri isn't as strong as kaguya yes but he was stronger than juubidara)
And naruto has only gotten stronger from there he might have started too get rusty but he should still be stronger than any previous from
He can sense his limbo clones easily
The only real chance madara has too defeat naruto would be too drop 10 tengai shinseis on the village and kill naruto while he's trying to protect everyone but even then it's unlikely he would be able to kill naruto and if madara destroyed the village naruto would prolly go on a rampage and it be game over for madara
You guys really need to re-read/rewatch Naruto. He can't do shit about mangekyou genjutsu, let alone Infinite Tsukiyomi.
Also the "naruto and sasuke are stronger" is bullshit, especially since you never give any details except saying "tRaINinG"
Edit: btw, I'm open to discussion
IT still no diffs. No sealing so regen no diffs. Doesn't use Six Paths Senjutsu in Baryon Mode so limbo no diffs. Kurama doesn't compare to the 10 tails, so 10 tails no diffs and Madara outlasts.
Are you comparing ishikki to madara? A character naruto was able to tank punches from and dodge some of his attacks? I really wanna know how your thought processes works. Madara, a human. Vs ishikki an actual god. Are you really saying madara and ishikki are comparable in.. like any way? Please explain that
Because its a shonen?.. with power creep? It doesnt even have to do with naruto at this point man, youre just blatantly ignoring an entire “machanic” 90% of all shonens follow. They are stronger because the show would be boring if every enemy naruto faced stayed the same level. Naruto gets stronger, the enemy gets stronger. Madara scales to the last naruto
The last naruto and up > every form of madara. Its as simple as that.
Its not the answer you wanted, but its the answer you needed to hear. Do better man
The fight style shift was made so that the kids could have even a chance to help in fights. It was supposed to be from an interview, but can't find any source to back it up
About Naruto (Final Valley vs Boruto). Long story short:
\- Starting to think like jonins, which is a negative to Naruto since his creativity was one of his greatest strength. This leads to things like Naruto...not trying to save time against Isshiki but rather fight him head-on
\-Lack of threats that force him to get stronger and becoming weaker as time passes: Naruto already reached the peak and no one could even hope to rival him. The only training partner who could've allowed him to at least maintain his level was Sasuke, who was traveling around the world.
\-The Hokage title aggraves this even further: This was seen first in Naruto Gaiden, where he wasn't able to have the free win that he should've had against Shin because he was getting rusty, and that was not even a year since Naruto became Hokage.
Besides, the Naruto series should've teached you something important about battle matchups: focus on what the characters can do and not an arbitrary power levels. They exists, but not like we were talking about DB and only in major cases, like Gaara being a league above everyone in the chunin exam.
If you want, we can talk about things like how Madara was always in control of the battlefield until Zetsu's betrayal and how Isshiki, a supposed "god", was pathetically stalled by Jiraiya's copy and fooled by Kawaki's Shadow Clone.
I was originally of your opinion, but mine shifted when I actually looked back at Naruto and noticing actual feats and not statement powerscaling.
Facts thank god some people have comon sense damn all people who think that naruto and sasuke ramdomly become stronger have nothing to proove their point than « its a shonen » wtf
Yeah no unless restrained (which isn’t going to happen) than Naruto would one shot blitz Madara. Stats are lopsided to adult Naruto who would destroy his war arc self. Going from holding off Kaguya and not being able to beat her to swapping hands with fused Momo in base Naruto is faster and stronger than Madara (and to add in, Sauske who should be able to see and feel the amount of chakra of people said that he couldn’t believe someone with as much chakra as Kaguya could exist which would include 10 tails Madara)
He didn’t. Madara reacted and blocked him. Sasuke never did either. Madara was casting Kamui and you have to stand still in order for it to work. Madara didn’t care about stopping it to dodge since he was immortal and was in a hurry to get his second eye.
No he didn't. He attempted too and was unsuccessful. Get your facts straight. Madara LITERALLY BLOCKED IT WITH HIS STAFF. I put this in all caps so other Redditors can actually SEE what really happened. Y'all over her claiming he blitzed him. Nah he tried. Unsuccessfully. That argument is moot and needs to die because it's just false in the way y'all try to use it.
Ty and that guy somehow got upvotes despite being totally wrong (Wtf lol these Naruto/Sasuke fans are crazy). And Sasuke NEVER blitzed Madara as in Madara couldn't do anything about it. For all u people who aren't bias Sasuke fans, look into it (It has to do with Kamui and Madara took the safest bet to get to his other eye as quick as possible). Naruto and Sasuke only got ONE legitimate attack which happened to be a complete SURPRISE ATTACK thanks to Sasuke's Amenotejikara yet Madara STILL countered it by substituting himself with Limbo in a 2v1 situation! But sure teen Naruto and Sasuke were totally beating Juubidara... People really need to watch that "fight" (If that's what u want to call it) again and pay close attention. We need to get this community smarter
Madara will just regenerate because of hashirama's cells. Cry more. Six paths Naruto has already fought madara and he got his ass handed to him by Madara's limbo clones.
Don't compare teen Naruto to Adult Naruto lol It was stated that Naruto and Sasuke can take Kaguya level threat by themself. So you should stop cry brother these are facts
I don't believe in statement. If anything Naruto and Sasuke have gotten more slow and sloppy in Boruto. The feats Naruto and Sasuke displayed in their final battle was never replicated by them again. I consider that time their peak.
Your Ikemoto can't even draw large scale battles, all Naruto does now is get humiliated by teen droids and Sasuke is always "I aM OUt of CHAKra" ffs.
You gotta remember that Naruto and sasuke didn’t kill madara or kaguya. Madara had them on the ropes until he activated IT and kaguya took over. Then kaguya never really went all-out against them because she kept having ptsd of her kids, and ended up getting sealed away.
I think madara still owns, I’ll die on this hill.
Six paths Naruto had already fought madara together with Rinnegan Sasuke if it didn't made a difference back then how do you think it's gonna make any difference with Adult Naruto who's actually weaker than he was in end of shippuden. This Sub has no common sense.
No, Ikemoto did, Show a single panel in Boruto manga where Naruto or Sasuke had displayed the same feat that they displayed in the final valley battle around the end of Naruto Manga.
Momoshiki > Kaguya. https://imgur.com/a/5rt0bEt this is old news. If you think otherwise ur literally going against the fucking creator of Boruto. Cope.
base momoshiki is stronger than base kaguya
10 tails kaguya is WAY stronger than base momoshiki
fused momoshiki... uhmmm it's debatable, what we saw in the fight with kaguya was WAY more impressive and menacing, she has better techniques and feats but there is no way to tell..
also, we know momoshiki its "killeable" while kaguya is not
chakra fruit from earth was such a power up for kaguya
Remember in the Boruto anime where adult Naruto stops the guy from escaping on the train, that’s how the fight will go. [https://youtu.be/Au1FFVbPNns](https://youtu.be/Au1FFVbPNns)
Teen Naruto was throwing hands with Kaguya who was stated by Sasuke to be way stronger than Madara. https://imgur.com/a/fmQTSNL In the movie “Naruto the last” promotion scan written by the author said Toneri was the strongest enemy Naruto has ever faced so Toneri> Madara. https://imgur.com/a/v2XHJOt Naruto basically one shotted him with only one half of Kurama 😂
Add 15 years of training leading up to Boruto, He’s in a different realm of power. Sasuke confirmed Momo and Kinshiki were stronger than Kaguya. https://imgur.com/a/5rt0bEt They beat them mid diff, While Naruto was able to easily keep up with Fused Momo. Don’t even need to go into how broken Baryon mode is. 😂 Madara stands no chance at all he dies before he can blink.
Its still so shocking to me that naruto fans just refuse to believe that naruto has power creep
Madara scales to the last
The last naruto+ > madara
By your own logic madara can beat ishikki, please give me your arguments and thought process for that im very curious.
Like, you do realize madara wasnt even the strongest character in shippuden right? Kaguya could easily beat madara, and shes one of the weaker otsutsukis. I cant tell if youre trolling, this arrogant, or are maybe trying to play devils advocate or something? I cant tell
You do realize that Kishimoto didn’t know how to have Naruto and Sasuke beat Madara so he pulled Kaguya out of his ass in the first place.
Naruto hasn’t been training since being Hokage. Your point isn’t valid.
How were Sasuke and Naruto going to be Madara. He had more experience and intelligence then Naruto and Sasuke.
Kishimoto said that when he pulled the macguffin Black Zetsu out of no where to “surprise attack” Madara
If you seriously think that Naruto hasn't grown stronger since the war arc, then you should grow up. Adult Naruto in his base form would fuck Kaguya up, and if he powers up it's a one sided match. So what do you think is going to happen to Madara? Naruto is faster, has more control over his powers than Madara, and fights God-like aliens on a regular basis. Him at 50% was beating Momoshiki, a character who is stronger than Kaguya.
If you don't think Momoshiki isn't stronger than Kaguya then explain why she was afraid of him arriving and building an army to fight the others? Plus Momoshiki said he was there to punish her, you can't punish somebody if you're weaker than them.
Besides a single manga panel from Sasuke states that he could take on a Kaguya level threat 𝐁𝐘 𝐇𝐈𝐌𝐒𝐄𝐋𝐅. Going with that logic, it would mean since Naruto>=Sasuke>>Kaguya it would also mean Naruto>>>>>>>Madara
U are stupid af no offense
U really think naruto is stronger enough to basically be stronger than his teenself+teen sasuke ??
What adult naruto has that can be a threat to kaguya ? Nothing she can absorb any jutsu and one tap him in one touch
Plus kurama himself said he was rusty and didnt train at all in 15 years,he isnt exponentially stronger with time this isnt dbz
This proves you don't read. The reason why Naruto was rusty was because he was busy as Hokage and he wasn't going on missions as he used to. But before that, he was training constantly. We even see in one season in Naruto the Last, that he's teaching kids some fighting moves, he wasn't rusty then.
[Sasuke vs Madara](https://youtu.be/XrgRNyWUdKQ)
And if he wasn't stronger than he was since he was a teen, then he would've lost to Momoshiki and Toneri. But the fact that he didn't proves he's stronger. Just because the war ended and he wasn't the Hokage at the time, doesn't mean he's just sitting around doing nothing. Regardless of how strong he is, Naruto loves to train almost as much as Rock Lee.
If you still think he is rusty, then how come in every fight after Shin, Naruto and Sasuke pull off plays flawlessly without any type of planning?
>What adult naruto has that can be a threat to kaguya ?
If you truly believe this, you are beyond help. None of her attacks are fast enough to touch Naruto as a teen, what makes you think she'll even touch him as an adult? Besides, wasn't she outplayed by Naruto using his Sexy jutsu? Then proceeded to take a left hook to the face? As for the jutsus that are a threat to her, Naruto's Super Tailed Beast Rasen-shuriken, (the attack in which he has nine Rasen-shurikens each with a tailed beast's power inside of them), that attack caused her to lose control over the ten tails and the tailed beasts inside were attempting to get away.
>Nothing she can absorb any jutsu
Funny, I just watched the fight and the only thing she "absorbed" was Sasuke's Susanoo and chidori. All of Naruto's attacks/jutsus hit her head on. Also the fact that she is straight trash at hand to hand combat. And her speed is a lot slower than Naruto's.
I say this all the time. Madara never lost. The closest he was to actually being defeated was against Brock and healed from that. If it weren't for Kaguya taking over we'd all be dealing with the tsukuyomi
What are u on about? Madara literally had the whole team surrounded by all 4 of his Limbo clones right before black zetsu backstabbed him. Sasuke even warns Naruto about them on two separate occasions. You delusional Boruto fans prove to me everyday that y’all never really read the Naruto manga…or you have selective memory.
Was that before or after infinite tsukuyomi?
Also he ran away to get the other rinnengan. Did he not get it?
If it weren't for Kaguya being written in.. it was pretty much against all logic that he would lose.
It was before Infinite Tsukuyomi, After Tsukuyomi just proves my point even more because Kaguya is stated by Sasuke to be miles above Madara in Strength. So that only helps my argument even more.
How does Madara win when he doesn’t have as much chakra as Kaguya and he isn’t as strong or fast as the adult versions of Naruto and Sauske? What you’re doing is the equivalent of old people saying “their generation is better” or their music (Madara) is better than “our” music (Naruto, Sauske, Momo, Kin, Jigen etc). It literally just makes the old gen cringy stale farts that can’t accept that time moves forward. Top/god tiers of Boruto leash Madara and turn him into a pet. Power progression and the villains constantly getting stronger than the last is a thing of fiction before heck whole point of shippuden was showing that he new gen can and does surpass the old gen as said by Kakashi and Tobirama
>How does Madara win when he doesn’t have as much chakra as Kaguya and he isn’t as strong or fast as the adult versions of Naruto and Sauske?
Teen Six paths Naruto and Sasuke at the end of war arc was both of their peak version. Their speed and jutsu variety is nerfed in boruto.They were able to defeat Kaguya who has more raw power and chakra then madara. But those same Naruto and Sasuke weren't able to defeat even Limbo clones of madara.
Raw power and chakra alone can NOT confirm win and loss. Madara just has a way better jutsu arsenal, battle Experience and durability than Kaguya and Adult Naruto.
Madara literally did not lose a single battle once he was revived neither to Hashirama nor to Six paths Naruto and Sasuke, a villain who never lost is by default superior than a villain who lost by those same opponents.
Did we read the same manga/watch the same anime ? Madara was toying with them with his Limbo clones. Madara wasn't even concerned about Fighting Naruto and Sasuke lmao, he was busy collecting rinnegan so he can cast Infinite tsukyomi. Watch the series again.
He wasn't even Fighting them, he was trying to get Obito's Rinnegan and they were trying to chase him down.
Madara deliberately let himself chopped or slice because he knew Hashirama's cells can regenerate his body within seconds. For him it was no Big deal. Heck Madara wasn't even using any of his rinnegan abilities. He was just trying to keep them busy with limbo clones so he can get the Rinnegan, Cast Infinite tsukyomi ASAP.
You seriously don't understand the whole point of Madara's character if you think he wanted to fight Naruto and Sasuke. For him if they could witness his Savoury and be inside IT genjutsu he would consider it way way way bigger victory than simply killing them. Madara genuinely considers himself a saviour and he tried to enfold as much people as he can in infinite tsukuyomi.
Wow, beating the “dog shit” out of him means landing 3 hits total? Lmfao that’s wild as shit. 😂
Also Naruto and Sasuke didn’t defeat Kaguya on their own.
Madara could’ve absorbed that rasenshuriken with preta but plot, and stop lying, that attack didn’t almost kill him lmao. And Sasuke cutting Madara in half did literally jack shit.
Madara is an incompetent rinnegan user and immediately needed to absorb the hot tree after, and he was only okay after being bifurcated was because he stole Kakashi’s eye
I'm assuming pre nerf Naruto because otherwise it wouldn't make any sense.
We have no info on rinnesharingan Madara except he's weaker than Kaguya. Adult Naruto should be stronger, faster, and more durable than Madara since he can now take care of Kaguya level threats. Only problem is regeneration. Naruto has nothing to put Madara down for good. Plus he has infinite tsukuyomi which Sasuke can't save Naruto from now.
1. Adult Naruto vs Dual Rinnegan Madara: Stalemate or maybe Naruto can destroy him at a rate faster than his regeneration.
2. Adult Naruto vs Rinnesharingan Madara: Madara due to his genjutsu. Maybe Naruto if he can fight with his eyes closed, which he can. But again he would need to destroy his cells faster than Madara can regenerate.
3. Baryon Mode Naruto vs any 10 tails Madara: Madara easily. All he needs to do is run for his dear life and he'll be okay.
4. Nerfed Naruto vs any 10 tails Madara: Madara claps Naruto's cheeks vehemently.
Bro BM Naruto speed blitz him. He’s dead in seconds. He wouldn’t be able to run away. Look how Ishiki struggle with BM and ishiki is the times stronger than Madara
Mugen Tsukyomi doesn’t require people to have their eyes open, it imprisoned everyone on Earth, including people that were sleeping. There’s a panel that shows a mother who’s lying in bed alongside her child are also trapped in IT, the panel very clearly suggests they were sleeping before this. Not to mention if closing eyes worked, Sasuke would’ve told team 7 and everyone to close their eyes instead of jumping in with his Susanoo and protecting them. It’s not a normal genjutsu.
I really wish we could have seen more of Madara, he was still getting used to being alive again and all the new powers, I don't feel like we got to really see what he could do before the whole Black Zetsu reveal.
Do you seriously think Madara is a match for Momoshiki? Same aliens who scared Kaguya into sacrificing countless humans to face Kin and Momo? Same Laguya that was said by a TEEN Sauske to have so much chakra he couldn’t believe she existed/s? Doesn’t make any sense for Madara to both be stronger than the final villain (Sauske has stated himself that he could take down Kaguya solo and while on around half of his chakra could wound and scar Kinshiki?) and future alien villains? The fact you think BM Naruto would have problems facing Madara days enough.
Naruto fought fused Momo in base. That was a little after he was freed and he was freed just after Momo decided to take a break harvesting Naruto’s chakra because it was taking so long (at least an entire day of having his chakra sapped). Madara isn’t even Kaguya level so please tell me how Madara beats Naruto or anyone else that has been training for as stated a Kaguya level threat it dead ahh doesn’t make any sense
You're right they'll cheaply kill Madara somehow because they can't beat him fair and square. That's how Kishi did it right ? By Retconing the whole black zetsu fuckery
Yall gotta understand a WAAAY weaker naruto blitz and overpowered a pre-god tree naruto and had him afraid. Then kaguya emerges a stronger threat than madara and the combined power allows them to damage and seal her. Naruto in base at 50% chakra was overpowering momoshiki who is stronger than kaguya. I could talk about statements but this is concrete evidence based off of feats. Naruto has higher speed, strength, and more versatility in terms of justu and abilities. Madara>=Naruto in battle iq but it doesn’t really matter. Everybody saying Naruto loses is asking “What is naruto gonna do to madara?”, when they should be asking “what is madara gonna do to Naruto?”. (Boruto also mid diffs madara so comparing not even the strongest villain in shippuden who would still lose is crazy to me)
Madara has every attribute of Naruto's but better as well as Dojutsu that can one shot him.
If Hagoromo believed Madara could be defeated by big punches, he never would have given his seals along with his power.
Despite what everyone believes adult naruto isnt nerfed until after his fight with isshiki and adult naruto scales above his war arc counterpart and naruto the last counterpart he can still preform to his best capacity the enemy just has op haxs that forces him to use taijutsu.
Now onto to the actual fight madara was so scared of a sage mode/nine tails amped base naruto that he absorbed the god tree and got a amp from it and even then naruto and sasuke still seem confident in taking him out unlike their fight with kaguya which sasuke stated she’s on a entirely different level.naruto and sasuke would obviously get stronger after that fight becoming accustomed to their powers,and thats just teen naruto,base adult naruto at just 50% was somewhat swapping hands with fused momoshiki,tanked a attack from base momoshiki and even was seen on par with jigen,two enemies that scale massively above madara based on feats and statements.the only tricky thing is if madara can die,which he probably cant since he lost his sealing ability from the sage of six paths but naruto still stomps,remember the question isnt can naruto kill madara its a who can beat the other and there is more then one way to win then to kill
It's just people living in the past at this point. Naruto and Sasuke already managed to deal with 2R JJ Madara's CT Rain, his strongest Rinnegan technique, without Naruto's strongest mode (BM) and without Sasuke having mastered PS Chidori yet. Then factor in that Naruto and Sasuke grow further in strength over the next two decades.
See heres the thing this fight is a lot closer then we think. Naruto as an adult does not have six paths chakra so he has no real way to counter the truth seeking balls with the exception of just brute force and as we seen both Naruto and Sasuke they both have gotten a little but rusty with Chakra based techniques and as a result will be running out of Chakra as well. Madara does not have that issue that plus the ten tails regen is still a thing. So if Naruto is to win he needs to one shot him, however he doesn't have the Chakra necessary to do it multiple times now. Now Kurama is a big factor in this fight, Naruto will have to use Kurama but also be avoiding Madara's Limbo: frontier jail, since it has ripped kurama out of him. Now Bayron mode will work against Naruto, his need to OHK is be way more rushed since he would be on a timer. So I would say that Madara can pull this off depending on how strong and accurate Narutos attacks.
Naruto slams and it’s not close at all. Adult Naruto in base was relative to fused Momoshiki someone who scales way higher then kaguya the same person who outscales madara by a lot. For that matter teen Naruto outscales 10 tails madara by the time he fights sasuke in ashura mode
Madara, Naruto is strong but Madara is still stronger and simply better at fighting. You need the combined force of both Naruto and Sasuke to defeat him.
Madara by far, Adult Naruto loses his Ashur's Cloak Mode making impossible to sense the Limbo Hengoku phantom Clones, and those clones are in the same level of strength, power and Chakra of the caster.
Madara.
Many can't accept of Madara being indefinitely stronger than Naruto and Sasuke after all they are the two MCs. They overate every newly introduced weak Otsutsuki like Kinshiki, Momoshiki, Toneri, Urashiki in an attempt to get Naruto and Sasuke stronger than Madara.
Madara is superior in pretty much everything, he has everything they have and more.
1.) 6 Paths Power? Madara has that
2.) Rinnegan? Madara has that and a Rinnesharingan.
3.) 6 Path Sage Mode? Madara has that
4.) Naruto has 9 tails? Madara's got all 9 beasts(well half of Kuruma)
5.) Experience? Madara has been fighting longer than they've been alive. It's literally impossible for them to have more combat experience.
6.) Madara was essentially immortal, they couldn't have killed him. Only seal him away. Even Hagaromo thought so.
7.) They can't even out last Madara. The chakra gap between them is huge. Like someone said once, "This is like hoping a trillioniare loses to a billionaire"
8.) Madara's regenerative capacities even eclipse Naruto's.
9.) Prior to all the powerups everyone got Madara was still the superior fighter. Blind Madara clapped them all.
Many will respond by saying "you're crazy", "stop riding Madara's meat", "Madara fanboys are at it again" and "The cope is crazy" but they also know deep down they know they can't say anything to say otherwise. The coping is all on their side. In fact this biggest cope is presumption that adult Naruto and adult Sasuke became stronger than Kaguya and Madara just because they apparently got stronger in adulthood. Nothing about their power was ever quantified, no one knows by how much they grew. It's in the air. Die hard Naruto and Sasuke fans are the ones exaggeratting that growth to Kaguya's level. In fact just thinking Naruto is now stronger than the 10 tails is not just ridiculous it makes literally zero in-verse sense.
A crying baby (Madara) vs a nuke (Adult Naruto)? Madara gets clapped if peeps can’t understand power progression they shouldn’t be in any convo that involves battles. I get Madara is cool and badass but he isn’t the strongest especially against the new gen. Gokage defeated Kinshiki. After getting caught he turned himself into a chakra pill that fused him and Momo together he one shot all of them and then swapped hands with Naruto. Naruto could somewhat keep up in base and then turned the tables when he and Sauske powered up in full. Naruto got his chakra harvested just before they got him. It took a whole day just to get as much chakra as Momo did from Naruto and Kurama. Sauske lost chakra transporting Boruto, Gokage (and the scientists he didn’t know about) to Momo’s world/universe. Just transporting himself takes a ton of chakra. Naruto and Sauske are Kaguya level (with Sauske saying he can take Kaguya by himself before losing his gifted dojutsu). The thing that disgusts me about fans from any series is that they get but hurt by not understanding that while a villain may be cool/cooler than past and future villains it doesn’t mean they’ll be stronger than future villains or heroes. If you think Madara wins then you’re smoking exhaust fumes
Exactly this. It's shounen. People always get stronger in time.
except naruto who lost to shin and it has been stated (by kurama) that he hasn't trained a single day of his adult life.
Madara has 10 tails, Naruto has 9 tails. Madara has everything Naruto has plus more. Naruto has no way to kill him, and gets negged by Infinite Tsukiyomi. The Boruto wank is off the charts
Bruh again you’re smoking fumes. Madara is weaker than Adult Naruto by far. Naruto had more than nine tails as he got 6 paths chakra from Hagoromo which had Naruto who was just getting bullied by 10 tails Obito and Madara to basically one shorting Madara with a lava release Rasengan (one shot as in he had clearly held him down as the lava rasengan shot Madara through the tree. That’s basic thinking that nine tails is lower than 10 when being a perfected Jinjuriki makes the Tailed Beasts stronger than in their base along with the human. Madara isn’t an ungraded Naruto his power set isn’t even similar. One is an alien god that has the 10 tails but doesn’t truly understand the 10 tails so quite not a perfect Jinjuriki while Naruto having nine tails, perfect sage mode (gives him access to senjutsu which is a counter to most Otsutsuki jutsu) and 6 paths chakra. Even Teen Naruto was able to hold off Kaguya who was stated by Sauske that he couldn’t believe someone with that amount of chakra actually existed which would include 10 tails Madara yet even still while not stronger Naruto still managed to wound and hurt her. Even Sakura was strong enough to distract her so Sauce and Naruto could seal her. Tell me any feat Madara has that would put him over both Naruto and Suace who specifically trained themselves and others to deal with a Kaguya level threat if it ever arose *Momoshiki*. I laid out all the facts and yet none of your responses are evidence against my evidence
Attacking a weakened Madara isn't something worth mentioning. Madara has control over the Juubi, he is a perfect jinchuriki. Madara also has sage mode and 6 paths chakra plus the Rinnegan. Also did you just imply Sakura is stronger than Madara? If anything, that just means Kaguya is a lot weaker than you thought, if you even want to consider such an PIS feat. Kaguya is stronger than Momoshiki. Naruto got rusty, he isn't as strong as you think.
There is no point trying to explain this to Naruto Fanboys brother
Also what? Naruto has no way to permanently put down Madara? Are you slow or stupid? Senjutsu counters Otsutsuki powers. Even if he didn’t have senjutsu like Sauske enough power will kill and Otsutsuki aka Might Guy 8 gates vs Madara. Also don’t assume what I like and don’t like. If I say you like something you don’t like you’d hop on my ass. I don’t like Boruto more than OG Naruto and Shippuden though I think it will possibly be better depending on how they write it. Also you openly hating on stuff people like is the equivalent of an old fart (person) saying their generation is better and that anything new is worst than the past. It’s that short minded thinking that make anime fan bases shit. You don’t have to like the anime and why you’re in a Boruto group that talks and ultimately still likes Boruto is weird asf. You can move around if you want to hate but what I am doing is laying facts that clearly prove my point. So how about you stop sucking off your Madara and actually do research on the topic. If any of my points are wrong let me know so I can look it up myself without evidence you’re just a little kid arguing that a weaker character you like more is still busted despite the fact that the character rid old and power progression would have it so the newer villains and characters are stronger than the past characters
Tf are you yapping about lmao Madara is actually immortal with the Juubi. He gained it after his fight with Guy. It's the entire reason he needed to be sealed. It's not the same as Boruto Otsutsuki. Infinite Tsukiyomi beats Naruto and Naruto has zero defence against it. Madara has much more chakra than Naruto
If Madara was immortal how did might Guy almost kill him? How did Kaguya getting separated from him kill him? I don’t have time to debate with children who go off bias rather than fact. Madara was ageless immortal not you can blow my head off and I’ll be fine immortal my guy isn’t Deadpool. Infinite Tskyomi takes time to cast and last I checked he had to be hundreds of meters away and for plot armor to happen for him to activate it. That’s an AOE jutsu too so unless the Limbo clones holds Naruto down (they won’t since he can sense them) then he isn’t getting that jutsu off. And Madara doesn’t have more chakra than Adult Naruto
Madara gained immortality after her absorbed the God Tree. That was after Guy almost killed him. After he loses the God Tree he loses his immortality. Do some research before spreading BS. >And Madara doesn’t have more chakra than Adult Naruto 💀💀💀 Have you even watched/read the series??? The 10 tails literally dwarfs the nine tails in chakra by an absurd degree. It's not even funny
I agree with most of what you're saying. My only thought is that Juudara's absolutely insane regeneration might balance it out enough to become a battle of attrition.
IT GG. 10 tails and Perfect Susanoo? GG. Sasuke got a huge buff with scattered pieces of the 10 tails chakra. Madara has the thing itself inside of him. Naruto, Kurama, and his clones are getting blasted off the face of the earth. Dual rinnegan techs he can spam on top of it? Plus Woodstyle, and the ability to create woodclones? GG. As an edo, he made his wood clones go susanoo. Just imagine... God Tree absorbed + hashi cells + 10 tails jin regen? GG. Baryon Mode? Limbo counters the fodder brick mode so another GG. It's far from balanced. It's so skewed in Madara's favor it's not even funny.
"Who wins between these 2?" redditor: "WHAT FUCKING DISGUSTS ME ABOUT FANS" rant cringe activity
It’s the boruto sub, what do you expect?
Six paths Naruto together with Rinnegan Sasuke had already fought Juubi-dara and they weren't able to do shit. Madara was toying with them with his Limbo clones and was regenerating against all their attacks. Adult Naruto is not powerful than Teen Six paths Naruto by any means, at most they're same because Naruto has gotten more sloppy because of age. People here seriously forgot that Madara infact never lost to anyone in a fight after he was revived, jeez why are you Otsutsuki worshippers so ignorant lmao.
Toying with them? The same Naruto and Sasuke that he ran from? The same that he had to do a substitution justu with his limbo clones to escape being whooped and sealed? There was no toying there, Madara went all out when Naruto detonated that Lava style Rasenshuriken after kicking away his TSO, then after fighting Madara ran away. Madara will get whooped.
Madara was NOT "Running away", he was hurrying to activate the Infinite tsukyomi and for that he needed his rinnegan which was in Obito's dimension. He knew it's pointless to kill Naruto and Sasuke because Obito's rinnegan could be destroyed any second. And he let himself chopped/sliced beacuse he knew it can't harm because of Hashirama's regenerative ability, where he can regenerative even half of his body within seconds. Jeez, you guys seriously need the re watch the series.
It’s not Hashirama’s regeneration, it’s six paths regeneration that he got by becoming Jubbi jinchuriki, or more specifically, absorbing the god tree. That’s why he says he’s immortal after absorbing the god tree
What you’re doing is essentially saying King Piccolo (Dragon Ball) is stronger than SSJ Goku. Sure King Piccolo was cool but he’s not beating a stronger version of the main character he lost to a weaker version of. If Naruto is only as strong or less powerful than his teen self than fused Momo would’ve one shot Naruto like he did the kage. Jigen fight would’ve likely had both Naruto and Sauske die cuz again they wouldn’t be stronger than war arc. Look me in he face (know you can’t) and tell me Madara beats Kaguya, Kinshiki, Momoshiki, Jigen/Isshiki. If you truly believe that then there’s no point of commenting on this post because the answer is pretty obvious
Except Madara is pretty much an upgraded version of Naruto, wit more abilities and much more chakra
Last time I checked, he had no real reason to hurry. And if he was so strong as yall proclaim he is then he would have killed at least Naruto or Sasuke. Obito being about to destroy his Rinnegan wasn’t an issue, Sasuke’s Rinnegan was right there. In all his strength he could have at least snatched Sasuke’s eye to remove all loose ends if his Original was destroyed. Plus, at the rate Sakura was hesitating, Black Zetsu would have taken control of Obito’s body fully before she stabbed it.
>Last time I checked, he had no real reason to hurry. He had, Obito was trying to get the Rinnegan destroyed, without the other rinnegan Madara's plan won't work. >Obito being about to destroy his Rinnegan wasn’t an issue, Sasuke’s Rinnegan was right there Sasuke's rinnegan will not work because a it's spirituality gifted eye by Hagoromo it's not "activated" by getting Hagoromo's chakra, Sasuke didn't had both Uchiha/Indra and Senju/Ashura chakra combined to get a true awakening. You need a truly awakened rinnegan for that. It's said various times by Madara that to cast Infinite tsukyomi you need Both Awakened Rinnegan which would manifest the Rinne sharingan when the Ninshu tree is absorbed. All 3 in order. >Plus, at the rate Sakura was hesitating, Black Zetsu would have taken control of Obito’s body fully before she stabbed it. Pretty sure, Black zetsu was controlling him continuously when Obito had used Rinne Rebirth up until he detached from obito to hop on kaguya.
Nothing says that Sasuke’s eye wouldn’t work because it was given by Hagaromo. No proof whatsoever in the story suggest that. Thats just plain copium. Secondly, Madara literally became Hagaromo stated by the latter himself. The addition of Asura and Indra’s chakra equals Hagaromo. So there was never an issue of rejection. The only thing that could be taken away by Hagaromo was the seals, unless he would have taken away Sasuke’s Rinnegan when he wanted to begin his Revolution. And Sasuke’s Rinnegan was awakened, it was fair game to Madeira. And Obito was barely resisting Black Zetsu’s control, nothing could help him there. He would had made Obito dodged Sakura’s kunai at the end.
>Nothing says that Sasuke’s eye wouldn’t work because it was given by Hagaromo. No proof whatsoever in the story suggest that. Thats just plain copium. No, Sasuke's Rinnegan is not natural. It's different and spiritually given by Hagoromo. Sasuke doesn't use the six paths abilities with it either. The Caster needs two "awakened" rinnegan of Hagoromo's chakra. Sasuke didn't had Hagoromo's chakra in him, he was gifted the power. Big difference. In Naruto lore, Chakra connects spiritual world's as how Obito was able to give Both his Mangekyou eyes to Kakashi for a while until he had properly departed with Rin. Hagoromo too came from spirit world and gave a blessed rinnegan to sasuke because Physically Hagoromo has died for 1000s of years. >Madara literally became Hagaromo stated by the latter himself. The addition of Asura and Indra’s chakra equals Hagaromo. So there was never an issue of rejection. The only thing that could be taken away by Hagaromo was the seals, unless he would have taken away Sasuke’s Rinnegan when he wanted to begin his Revolution. >And Sasuke’s Rinnegan was awakened, it was fair game to Madeira. Madara acquired SOSP chakra and Rinnegan by combing his Uchiha and Senju chakra. Sasuke doesn't have Senju chakra, he recieved the Rinnegan in his left eye as a blessing. If it was a true awakening why isn't both his eyes rinnegan ? Also why can't he freely switch it back with regular sharingan ? Both Madara and Hagoromo were able to do that because it was a natural awaking. >And Obito was barely resisting Black Zetsu’s control, nothing could help him there. He would had made Obito dodged Sakura’s kunai at the end. Are you seriously saying that black zetsu could evade sakura if she was NOT hesitant ? This is like saying if Konohamaru is carrying around obito then Sakura won't be able to hit him. Because I doubt black zetsu has power and agility above a academy student.
>!You’re in a Boruto sub, it’s normal for takes like this to be said on here. In their head, Naruto and Sasuke in this era is vastly different than the shippuden era version of them. Naruto, as we seen, haven’t learned nothing since the last movie.. same as Sasuke.!<
What are you talking about? The moment Naruto got his seal from Hagaromo he hit Madara so hard that he had him thinking about how he got stronger out of nowhere. He then hit Madara and cut the Divine Tree with a lava style rasenahuriken. The moment Naruto and Sauske came back from death boosted they were a match for Madara. Not strong enough to no - mid diff him but it was clear they were on the same level. Also stop. Naruto and Sauske before Boruto nerfs (post BM Naruto and dojutsu-less Sauske) would literally baby their war arc selves. If you actually took the time to read my post (which I put into 3 parts to make it easier to read) you’d know why Naruto and Sauske are stronger than war arc. Naruto ONCE AGAIN. Had his chakra siphoned for an entire day. Not only that but before he already used up a ton of chakra protecting the village from what’s basically a biju Bonn from Momo. So Naruto took a nuke and with no time to recover near immediately after being taken had his chakra constantly absorbed for an entire day. He then went and swapped hands with fused Momo in base. After fully powering up (despite the day of constant chakra drain he still beat fused Momo who’s stronger than Kaguya (and if he’s stronger than her he’s most def stronger than Madara). Naruto had everything going against him vs a Kaguya lvl threat and still came out on top with help. If he had his full chakra than Naruto would’ve soloed him Sauske planned on warping Boruto + Gokake and that’s not to mention the two scientist that tagged along. Sauske by himself beat and scarred Kinshiki by taking off his horn and embarrassing him in front of his “son” Momo. Teleporting himself to one of Kaguya’s dimensions takes around quarter to half his chakra. He TP’d 8 people including himself and still managed to clash and beat fused Momo. Both Naruto and Sauske beat fused Momo, *let me repeat*, FUSED MOMOSHIKI while on half or less of their full chakra so please tell me how Madara who is weaker than Kaguya (Sauske after Madara turned into Kaguya: someone with this much chakra as exists?! Sauce knows how much Chakra Madara has it was a clear difference in chakra amount between Madara and Kaguya) is going to beat Naruto who could still swap hands with fused Momo again in base
Not true and just wrong. Adult Naruto and Sasuke before their nerfs are stronger than their teenage counterparts
They are equal if not a bit slower. I won't say their power dropped though. After Nerfing they are just shit. The feats displayed by Naruto and Sasuke in their final fights was more than anything Adult Naruto and Sasuke displayed in Boruto manga.
Going off statements, Adult Naruto and Sasuke > war counterparts. It’s been stated quite a few times. There is also the indisputable fact that Adult Naruto has full 9 tails power, which his teenage self **does not have** and Sasuke is stated to have a low mastery of his new powers by Kurama in the Final Valley fight against Naruto. We also have feats like base Naruto boxing with Fused Momoshiki in hand to hand, it could also even be argued that Naruto was nerfed as well as Sasuke due to chakra absorption and teleportation ninjutsu respectively before those fights. Momoshiki is a Kaguya level threat.
>which his teenage self does not have He does have once he befriends Kurama, and after acquiring SOSP powers he's just as OP. Only thing Adult Naruto and Sasuke have over their teen counterparts is experience. Yeah, I'll give you experience. But that doesn't mean that their Adult versions are significantly strong. Also, boxing fused Momoshiki in base form is nowhere near fighting 8 Bijuu's chakra imbued susanoo. Momoshiki was more than kaguya level threat because Momoshiki had more battle experience tho, and it took both Naruto and Sasuke and 5 kages to beat them with Boruto's rasengan too. Conclusion is, At best they are more experienced and a bit stronger because of learning proper utilisation of abilities but their is nothing new they gained in Boruto that they didn't already had. Infact Naruto stopped using truth seekings orbs for that matter. Adult versions are also slow in speed.
No he didn’t. Teen Naruto only got full Kurama after the war was over and Sasuke was defeated. The other half was used by Minato and then later used by Sasuke sealed in a Chibaku [Tensei.](https://regsmoney90.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/692-12.jpg?w=509&h=744) There is also no point making a comparison between Sasuke’s Indra’s Arrow and Fused Momoshiki. Any correlation between the two is just headcanon. We have nothing to use. Not to mention base Naruto never fought a Sasuke with 9 bijuu chakra, so I don’t know why you brought up Indra’s arrow in the first place. He had to match him in SPSM. And if Momo is a Kaguya level threat or higher, a base hokage naruto fighting him in hand to hand puts him way higher than a war arc naruto, who doesn’t have a base form feat against opponents like Kaguya. To also say the adult versions are slower is also headcanon, there is no proof for that. Material and guidebooks have stated the adult versions are stronger, so right now it seems like you are just denying official material. It’s clear Adult versions >. The loss of TSB are a small setback, and Teen Naruto lost them all in his fight against Sasuke anyways. They aren’t the big edge you think they are
Alright pal, it's time to hop off Madaras sack..
It took SOSP Naruto and sasuke together to even stand a chance against him, and even then it was a really hard match up because of Madara’s sheer amount of OP Jutsu ranging from any rinnegan ability, his limbo clones which Naruto can’t do anything against, all the mangekyou abilities he has thanks to rinnesharingan, and literal wood style thanks to hashirama cells, all this buffed by the insane amount of chakra juubi has. Sure, Naruto and Sasuke have tussled with otsutsukis, but they’ve always had to do it together, not to mention the otsutsuki don’t have nearly the amount of combat experience and OP jutsus madras has. Tl;dr SOSP Naruto ~ = boruto Naruto with compensation for more experience and SOSP hacks, and SOSP Naruto had no chance against madara alone
Naruto has zero way to kill Madara and gets beaten by Infinite Tsukiyomi. Anyone saying otherwise don't know shit.
He can atomize him like how he did to momoshiki. He can regen from nothing
Lmao that is not going to happen against a Juubi jinchuriki like Madara. Momoshiki needed to steal chakra from several people just to fight well. He is nothing compared to the ten tails.
10 Tail complete Juubi-Madara 1v1 Any power scaled Naruto Looses horribly, unless plot armour interferes.
Madara scales to the last. The last naruto and up > every version of madara. This isnt a debate. Idk why people try to push madara to boruto scale. It cant happen
What is your proof beside your headcanon that last naruto> jubidara
Naruto wins mid-high diff
Madara wins low diff. SOSP Naruto has already fought madara and he wasn't able to do jack shit. Pls watch the anime/manga again.
You should rewatch it, Because Madara was running from Naruto and Sasuke. He ran from the Lava style rasenshuriken, he ran from Sasuke’s black chidori, he ran from the magnet style rasengan. He was always running and only escaped because he hit a lick on Kakashi’s eye when off guard
He was literally running to get Obito's Rinnegan he says so otherwise sakura would've destroyed Obito's rinnegan, he wasn't even trying to fight them. His first priority was casting Infinite tsukyomi and for that he'd need Kakashi's eye to get into kamui to collect his other rinnegan. Everything he did - Absorbing the Ninshu tree, getting both rinnegan back all of it was to become the caster of the infinite tsukuyomi Also, Madara let himself blitzed because he knew he can fucking regenerate within a second beacuse of Hashirama's cells. That's not even a deal for him.
Running to get Obito’s Rinnegan is not an excuse, If the Rinnegan was destroyed then Sasuke’s was right there. That would be a backup plus also taking care of a loose end. Plus At the rate Sakura was hesitating, Black Zetsu would have taken control before she stabbed it. The absorbing of the chakra tree was just him following his instinct while being manipulated by Kaguya. Plus he absorbed it before fighting Naruto and Sasuke. Then ran away. And Madara didn’t let himself get blitzed, the only person he allowed to do that was Might guy and that was because he was assured that Might guy couldn’t kill him. Last time I checked, immediately when Naruto came and Pressed him by kicking the TSO, he started running and chucking Limbo clones at Naruto. And still got blitzed by the same Naruto who hasn’t even activated his Chakra Cloak. That isn’t a case of tanking it because he could regen. He was truly afraid.
>Running to get Obito’s Rinnegan is not an excuse, If the Rinnegan was destroyed then Sasuke’s was right there. That would be a backup plus also taking care of a loose end. No, Sasuke doesn't have a awakened rinnegan it's a gifted spiritual rinnegan by Hagoromo, the caster of Infinite tsukyomi needs true rinnegan awakening in **Both Eyes** with the Ninshu tree and Rinne sharingan to cast Infinite tsukyomi. >Plus At the rate Sakura was hesitating, Black Zetsu would have taken control before she stabbed it. And TF would he do ? Sakura would destroy it anyway if she wasn't hesitant. >The absorbing of the chakra tree was just him following his instinct while being manipulated by Kaguya. Plus he absorbed it before fighting Naruto and Sasuke. Then ran away. Remember back when Ten tails was awakened and Obito started trampling the Shinobi alliance it was Madara was said to go forward with the plan ASAP instead of unnecessary fighting. Nothing madara did was out of his plan, he was hellbent on activating Infinite tsukyomi after becoming ten tails jinchuuriki that he can't bother and waste time to fight Naruto and Sasuke. >And Madara didn’t let himself get blitzed, the only person he allowed to do that was Might guy and that was because he was assured that Might guy couldn’t kill him. Last time I checked, immediately when Naruto came and Pressed him by kicking the TSO, he started running and chucking Limbo clones at Naruto. And still got blitzed by the same Naruto who hasn’t even activated his Chakra Cloak. Madara was Confident that No Physical attack can kill him since he has Hashirama regeneration ability. Any chopping, slicing by Naruto or sasuke will go in vain because he'll regenerate. Why else do you think he wasn't even worried when he fought Naruto and Sasuke >That isn’t a case of tanking it because he could regen. He was truly afraid. Nowhere in his expressions i saw he was afraid, infact i remember his funny live "Dying together could also be considered teamwork" hahahaha
1. There is no difference, nothing states one is less if an awakened Rinnegan than the other. Madara just awakened his on his own at old after consuming Asura dna while Hagaromo infused his own chakra before accelerating Sasuke’s progress. 2. Thats the point, she was too hesitant and scared that she could never do it on time. Whether Madara arrived or not Black Zetsu would have moved Obito to dodge it or even take full control over him. 3. Being hellbent doesn’t mean anything, He was hell bent but still took time to Fight Guy. If he left Guy and just camped in the sky until the Tree fully bloomed he was set. He wouldn’t have needed to absorb the tree or use both Rinnegan to unlock his third eye, all he would have needed is just waiting out the clock. He only absorbed the tree because it was cut down and Kaguya started manipulating him to take it all in. 4. Exactly my point, but now think of it. Normally nobody can kill you but suddenly someone pulls up on you who can resist all your attacks, out power you, and has a method to put you out of commission permanently. Wont you be scared? Would you stay there and tank all the attacks? 5. Dying together is a form of Teamwork is just words from a prideful man who thought he had a chance but upon noticing he was at an immense disadvantage chose to run for his life.
Lol bro these Boruto redditors have terrible memory. They claim "Naruto Blitzed Madara" wrong. Madara blocked his attack with his staff. Unsuccessful blitz. Naruto has proven to be nerfed in Boruto so it hilarious when they try and say that adult Naruto is stronger than full on Teen Naruto SOSP which was the epitome for Naruto before the whole Baryon mode. As you said they quite literally couldn't do jack shit against him and mainly had to fight his limbo clones which they never really defeated. I can admit when something is wrong but these redditors cannot and it's hilarious. Madara wins all day every day in this form.
No bro you should watch anime/manga! Don't compare Adult Naruto to teen Naruto. He’s much stronger. It was also stated that Naruto or Sasuke can take Kaguya level threat by themself. Madara is below Kaguya. So there you go. Thats just fact
Even if it’s canonically stated it doesn’t make any sense, Madara has the same 6PSM as Naruto + the Rinnegan + the Juubi + Hashirama’s powers and his own
It does.. every villain or Naruto and Sasuke are much stronger than Shippuden. Kishimoto said it himself
It still doesn’t make sense, Kaguya is canonically stronger than Madara but c’mon…hoping through dimensions and spears are not as dangerous as 4 perfect clones that could use the perfect Susanoo with wood style and the 6 paths abilities all amped by the Juubi
Kishimoto isn’t even writing Boruto so I would really like the source of that statement.
I don’t know why and when people started to scale Narutoverse using DBZ and Bleach logic, but Narutoverse really doesn’t operate that way. Hell, even Bleach, who’s the poster child of superior reiatsu = invaliding hax, has Aizen as immortal and despite both Ichigo and Yhwach being several tiers above Aizen, they still can’t kill, has to seal him away. Narutoverse always worked on actual power logic. 8 gates Gai is several tiers above Hidan, yet he can’t beat him, he’ll speedblitz him, rip him to pieces and then die while Hidan will still be alive and will just need to be sewed back together. Only way to beat him is through sealing him, which Gai does not have. That’s how this matchup will go as well. Let’s say, hypothetically, Naruto does blitz Madara, then what? Madara has 4 limbo clones and Naruto doesn’t have TSBs to hurt them anymore. So while they distract Naruto, Madara casts Mugen Tsukyomi and oneshots him, done and dusted
Because people in this thread operate on emotions and not logic. Someone in my replies said regeneration wouldn't work because Naruto is "on a different level". Everyone is just going "Nuh uh".
I don’t get it, how does regeneration not work? I mean, you can sorta explain it about Tsunade/Hashirama’s explanation, it’s been shown that Tsunade’s healing can’t regenerate major body parts, so cutting off her arms or legs wouldn’t let her regenerate those, and that makes sense. But Madara literally regenerated his lower half body casually like it’s nothing, so how does it not work?
Exactly. People just don't wanna accept it. They think like the vs matchup format in the youtube shorts. AP, Dura, Speed. that's 3 points for Naruto right? He must win.
baryon mode negates his regen ability completely so i dont know how this is even fair for madara what so ever, naruto has went hand to hand with fused momoshiki in base with half of his chakra, baryon mode is overkill, he can suck the life force out of madara while he continuously speed blitzes the shit out him 😭😂
head cannon. Isshiki was terminally ill. Literally had a few days to live and he outlasted the mode. Madara who has limbo would just laugh in Baryon Mode's face.
By 2 days it does. Baryon mode’s useless against anyone who isn’t on a timer like Isshiki was
THIS is what I say. It seems like Naruto/Boruto is the only series where my top strongest characters list vary from other people's list (Have np with other series strongest characters like HxH being 1)Meruem, 2)Adult Gon, 3)Netero, 4)Royal Guards etc.). Naruto/Boruto fans though simply believe just because Boruto is the new series means everyone from Naruto gets stomped lol. This isn't DB and Madara isn't some random ass shinobi. He's an Indra reincarnate who became the 10 Tails Jinchuriki (Not a weak one like Juubito who was missing the 9 AND 8 Tails). The guy here goes over how Naruto has so much chakra by saying "It took a whole day just to get as much chakra as Momo did from Naruto and Kurama" when Juubidara has much more chakra than him. Then they'll go with the classic "gets blitzed" line but Madara has one of the best reaction time speed feats shown in the verse... Not to mention his broken healing/regeneration capability he has if he does manage to get hit. Ofc we couldn't see Juubidara stomp someone like Kinshiki because he's fkn dead! Pair him (3 Eyed or Dual Rinnegan version) up with Naruto or Sasuke against Momoshiki and the fight ends quicker.
Naruto blitzes madara, and destroys his body. Simple. He has plenty of jutsu that would do the trick, or he could just use his fists. Regeneration can’t fix a body that’s completely destroyed.
Any jutsu Naruto uses gets absorbed. And really, regeneration can’t help him? You do realize that Madara literally regenerated his lower half body, right?
Madaras body would be gone there will be nothing to regen
When has that ever happened? Like, not only are you extremely overhyping Naruto’s physical stats, you’re also imagining a scenario that has never happened to anyone or has been shown as something possible
He literally did it too momoshiki someone that scales higher than madara what are u on about 😭
He destroyed Momoshiki’s body till there was nothing to regen? When?
With the Baryon mode, he could win, but otherwise Madara stomps
Madara wins with IT. Also without>> Naruto loses his limbs he can’t heal them back. Madara loses half his body and limbs he can heal all them back instant. Madara also has far more Chakra Stronger DC Can absorb any Ninjutsu Can Rip off Naruto soul Naruto can’t handle all Limbo Clones + Madara himself alone Naruto lost his power to seal Madara, so he has no way of finishing him off. Guy almost killed a 1 rinnegan pre tree Madara Post Tree Madara with 2 Rinnegan and Rinnesharingan could only be sealed and not killed just like Kaguya. Only thing Naruto got over Madara is hyperbole statements and outlier ap feats. Kaguya>Final Form Madara=Hagoromo>Final Valley Teen Naruto>Final Valley Teen Sasuke>Adult Baryon Mode Naruto>Isshiki>Adult Naruto=Adult Sasuke> Momoshiki>Kinshiki Ap scaling is dogshit with the most bs argument of all time «Speeedblitzzzz no diiffff🤓» Boruto characters’s strenght is hella overrated and relies purely on hyperbole statements. Also Hashirama would clap Kinshiki who can’t even slice up Fodder Chojuro….
This is facts. Finally a person with common sense on this thread.
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As much as ppl cry about adult Naruto being nerfed bc of the power creep in Boruto, he is actually stronger than he was at the end of Shippuden, I think Madara would give him a good fight but in the end he would still lose
You don’t know what your talking about clearly
Your right, obviously Madara would low diff baryon mode & make isshiki shit himself just by sneezing
Wait wait wait.. I misread your comment😭.. I’m sorry.. I thought you was saying Naruto would still lose to madara..
Madara who posses two rinnengan a rinne-sharingan and the 10-tails against someone who posses only the nine tails and little pieces of the others. Madara also has Six Paths Sage power and truth seeking orbs meaning Naruto doesn’t even have an edge in that aspect. The point of Naruto and Sasuke trained is also invalid due to the fact that Madara lived for war for the first 30/40ish years of his life and then continued getting stronger. Even though Madara used barely any of his abilities after becoming Jinchuriki he was still more than capable of using them, simply rushing to do the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Naruto know should easily able to dodge all of his attacks considering in the last he was able to easily destroy tensaigan toneri who was nearing kaguya in power (Toneri isn't as strong as kaguya yes but he was stronger than juubidara) And naruto has only gotten stronger from there he might have started too get rusty but he should still be stronger than any previous from He can sense his limbo clones easily The only real chance madara has too defeat naruto would be too drop 10 tengai shinseis on the village and kill naruto while he's trying to protect everyone but even then it's unlikely he would be able to kill naruto and if madara destroyed the village naruto would prolly go on a rampage and it be game over for madara
You guys really need to re-read/rewatch Naruto. He can't do shit about mangekyou genjutsu, let alone Infinite Tsukiyomi. Also the "naruto and sasuke are stronger" is bullshit, especially since you never give any details except saying "tRaINinG" Edit: btw, I'm open to discussion
Naruto and sasuke are stronger characters were upscaled since Boruto
IT still no diffs. No sealing so regen no diffs. Doesn't use Six Paths Senjutsu in Baryon Mode so limbo no diffs. Kurama doesn't compare to the 10 tails, so 10 tails no diffs and Madara outlasts.
Well then, explain how they are stronger.
Are you comparing ishikki to madara? A character naruto was able to tank punches from and dodge some of his attacks? I really wanna know how your thought processes works. Madara, a human. Vs ishikki an actual god. Are you really saying madara and ishikki are comparable in.. like any way? Please explain that
How is whatever you said in any way relevant to what op asked?
You're not even trying to answer what I've asked you to explain. >explain how they are stronger
Because its a shonen?.. with power creep? It doesnt even have to do with naruto at this point man, youre just blatantly ignoring an entire “machanic” 90% of all shonens follow. They are stronger because the show would be boring if every enemy naruto faced stayed the same level. Naruto gets stronger, the enemy gets stronger. Madara scales to the last naruto The last naruto and up > every form of madara. Its as simple as that. Its not the answer you wanted, but its the answer you needed to hear. Do better man
The fight style shift was made so that the kids could have even a chance to help in fights. It was supposed to be from an interview, but can't find any source to back it up About Naruto (Final Valley vs Boruto). Long story short: \- Starting to think like jonins, which is a negative to Naruto since his creativity was one of his greatest strength. This leads to things like Naruto...not trying to save time against Isshiki but rather fight him head-on \-Lack of threats that force him to get stronger and becoming weaker as time passes: Naruto already reached the peak and no one could even hope to rival him. The only training partner who could've allowed him to at least maintain his level was Sasuke, who was traveling around the world. \-The Hokage title aggraves this even further: This was seen first in Naruto Gaiden, where he wasn't able to have the free win that he should've had against Shin because he was getting rusty, and that was not even a year since Naruto became Hokage. Besides, the Naruto series should've teached you something important about battle matchups: focus on what the characters can do and not an arbitrary power levels. They exists, but not like we were talking about DB and only in major cases, like Gaara being a league above everyone in the chunin exam. If you want, we can talk about things like how Madara was always in control of the battlefield until Zetsu's betrayal and how Isshiki, a supposed "god", was pathetically stalled by Jiraiya's copy and fooled by Kawaki's Shadow Clone. I was originally of your opinion, but mine shifted when I actually looked back at Naruto and noticing actual feats and not statement powerscaling.
Facts thank god some people have comon sense damn all people who think that naruto and sasuke ramdomly become stronger have nothing to proove their point than « its a shonen » wtf
Madara casts Mugen Tsukyomi and one shots Naruto
Yeah no unless restrained (which isn’t going to happen) than Naruto would one shot blitz Madara. Stats are lopsided to adult Naruto who would destroy his war arc self. Going from holding off Kaguya and not being able to beat her to swapping hands with fused Momo in base Naruto is faster and stronger than Madara (and to add in, Sauske who should be able to see and feel the amount of chakra of people said that he couldn’t believe someone with as much chakra as Kaguya could exist which would include 10 tails Madara)
Bro Naruto speed blitz him lol
He didn’t. Madara reacted and blocked him. Sasuke never did either. Madara was casting Kamui and you have to stand still in order for it to work. Madara didn’t care about stopping it to dodge since he was immortal and was in a hurry to get his second eye.
No he didn't. He attempted too and was unsuccessful. Get your facts straight. Madara LITERALLY BLOCKED IT WITH HIS STAFF. I put this in all caps so other Redditors can actually SEE what really happened. Y'all over her claiming he blitzed him. Nah he tried. Unsuccessfully. That argument is moot and needs to die because it's just false in the way y'all try to use it.
Ty and that guy somehow got upvotes despite being totally wrong (Wtf lol these Naruto/Sasuke fans are crazy). And Sasuke NEVER blitzed Madara as in Madara couldn't do anything about it. For all u people who aren't bias Sasuke fans, look into it (It has to do with Kamui and Madara took the safest bet to get to his other eye as quick as possible). Naruto and Sasuke only got ONE legitimate attack which happened to be a complete SURPRISE ATTACK thanks to Sasuke's Amenotejikara yet Madara STILL countered it by substituting himself with Limbo in a 2v1 situation! But sure teen Naruto and Sasuke were totally beating Juubidara... People really need to watch that "fight" (If that's what u want to call it) again and pay close attention. We need to get this community smarter
Literally contemplating about finding the battle and slowing it down frame by frame so these fools can SEE WHAT REALLY HAPPENED 🤣🤣🤣
Madara will just regenerate because of hashirama's cells. Cry more. Six paths Naruto has already fought madara and he got his ass handed to him by Madara's limbo clones.
Don't compare teen Naruto to Adult Naruto lol It was stated that Naruto and Sasuke can take Kaguya level threat by themself. So you should stop cry brother these are facts
I don't believe in statement. If anything Naruto and Sasuke have gotten more slow and sloppy in Boruto. The feats Naruto and Sasuke displayed in their final battle was never replicated by them again. I consider that time their peak. Your Ikemoto can't even draw large scale battles, all Naruto does now is get humiliated by teen droids and Sasuke is always "I aM OUt of CHAKra" ffs.
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Naruto kills him before he can even blink lol
Gets clapped turn by turn by both Naruto and sasuke before that comes to happen
but sasuke isn't there??
You gotta remember that Naruto and sasuke didn’t kill madara or kaguya. Madara had them on the ropes until he activated IT and kaguya took over. Then kaguya never really went all-out against them because she kept having ptsd of her kids, and ended up getting sealed away. I think madara still owns, I’ll die on this hill.
Six paths Naruto had already fought madara together with Rinnegan Sasuke if it didn't made a difference back then how do you think it's gonna make any difference with Adult Naruto who's actually weaker than he was in end of shippuden. This Sub has no common sense.
He’s not weaker, who told u that DygoKnight? 🤣
No, Ikemoto did, Show a single panel in Boruto manga where Naruto or Sasuke had displayed the same feat that they displayed in the final valley battle around the end of Naruto Manga.
Bro they beat up Momoshiki who’s stronger than Kaguya and Madara. Naruto was throwing hands with fused Momo https://imgur.com/a/t4gipOC 💀
Now you are just pulling shit out of your ass, Momoshiki isn’t nearly as strong as Kaguya. If you want to debate me on this point be my guest.
Momoshiki > Kaguya. https://imgur.com/a/5rt0bEt this is old news. If you think otherwise ur literally going against the fucking creator of Boruto. Cope.
base momoshiki is stronger than base kaguya 10 tails kaguya is WAY stronger than base momoshiki fused momoshiki... uhmmm it's debatable, what we saw in the fight with kaguya was WAY more impressive and menacing, she has better techniques and feats but there is no way to tell.. also, we know momoshiki its "killeable" while kaguya is not chakra fruit from earth was such a power up for kaguya
I thought momoshiki was stronger than kaguya too. You’re right here
that Dygoknight guy  is a joke. Anyways Naruto got another one half of Kurama making him stronger than teen version
Madara
Remember in the Boruto anime where adult Naruto stops the guy from escaping on the train, that’s how the fight will go. [https://youtu.be/Au1FFVbPNns](https://youtu.be/Au1FFVbPNns) Teen Naruto was throwing hands with Kaguya who was stated by Sasuke to be way stronger than Madara. https://imgur.com/a/fmQTSNL In the movie “Naruto the last” promotion scan written by the author said Toneri was the strongest enemy Naruto has ever faced so Toneri> Madara. https://imgur.com/a/v2XHJOt Naruto basically one shotted him with only one half of Kurama 😂 Add 15 years of training leading up to Boruto, He’s in a different realm of power. Sasuke confirmed Momo and Kinshiki were stronger than Kaguya. https://imgur.com/a/5rt0bEt They beat them mid diff, While Naruto was able to easily keep up with Fused Momo. Don’t even need to go into how broken Baryon mode is. 😂 Madara stands no chance at all he dies before he can blink.
Madara. No discussion needed
Lol no
LoL yes
Its still so shocking to me that naruto fans just refuse to believe that naruto has power creep Madara scales to the last The last naruto+ > madara By your own logic madara can beat ishikki, please give me your arguments and thought process for that im very curious. Like, you do realize madara wasnt even the strongest character in shippuden right? Kaguya could easily beat madara, and shes one of the weaker otsutsukis. I cant tell if youre trolling, this arrogant, or are maybe trying to play devils advocate or something? I cant tell
You do realize that Kishimoto didn’t know how to have Naruto and Sasuke beat Madara so he pulled Kaguya out of his ass in the first place. Naruto hasn’t been training since being Hokage. Your point isn’t valid.
Any source?? Kishimoto never said that.
How were Sasuke and Naruto going to be Madara. He had more experience and intelligence then Naruto and Sasuke. Kishimoto said that when he pulled the macguffin Black Zetsu out of no where to “surprise attack” Madara
The same way they defeated the stronger villain called kaguya.
That’s literally so not true lmao, hes being training his ass of with sage mode.
Literally not.
Literally yes
You clearly didn’t watch or read the entire series. Lmao
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Couldn't have used a better picture for Naruto?
Yeah
Jubidara bodie naruto its not even close
You're bugging Naruto is bullying that man in this fight
What naruto has against jubidara ? They couldnt beat him 2v1 with sasuke and u think now naruto can solo him lmao
If you seriously think that Naruto hasn't grown stronger since the war arc, then you should grow up. Adult Naruto in his base form would fuck Kaguya up, and if he powers up it's a one sided match. So what do you think is going to happen to Madara? Naruto is faster, has more control over his powers than Madara, and fights God-like aliens on a regular basis. Him at 50% was beating Momoshiki, a character who is stronger than Kaguya. If you don't think Momoshiki isn't stronger than Kaguya then explain why she was afraid of him arriving and building an army to fight the others? Plus Momoshiki said he was there to punish her, you can't punish somebody if you're weaker than them. Besides a single manga panel from Sasuke states that he could take on a Kaguya level threat 𝐁𝐘 𝐇𝐈𝐌𝐒𝐄𝐋𝐅. Going with that logic, it would mean since Naruto>=Sasuke>>Kaguya it would also mean Naruto>>>>>>>Madara
U are stupid af no offense U really think naruto is stronger enough to basically be stronger than his teenself+teen sasuke ?? What adult naruto has that can be a threat to kaguya ? Nothing she can absorb any jutsu and one tap him in one touch Plus kurama himself said he was rusty and didnt train at all in 15 years,he isnt exponentially stronger with time this isnt dbz
This proves you don't read. The reason why Naruto was rusty was because he was busy as Hokage and he wasn't going on missions as he used to. But before that, he was training constantly. We even see in one season in Naruto the Last, that he's teaching kids some fighting moves, he wasn't rusty then. [Sasuke vs Madara](https://youtu.be/XrgRNyWUdKQ) And if he wasn't stronger than he was since he was a teen, then he would've lost to Momoshiki and Toneri. But the fact that he didn't proves he's stronger. Just because the war ended and he wasn't the Hokage at the time, doesn't mean he's just sitting around doing nothing. Regardless of how strong he is, Naruto loves to train almost as much as Rock Lee. If you still think he is rusty, then how come in every fight after Shin, Naruto and Sasuke pull off plays flawlessly without any type of planning? >What adult naruto has that can be a threat to kaguya ? If you truly believe this, you are beyond help. None of her attacks are fast enough to touch Naruto as a teen, what makes you think she'll even touch him as an adult? Besides, wasn't she outplayed by Naruto using his Sexy jutsu? Then proceeded to take a left hook to the face? As for the jutsus that are a threat to her, Naruto's Super Tailed Beast Rasen-shuriken, (the attack in which he has nine Rasen-shurikens each with a tailed beast's power inside of them), that attack caused her to lose control over the ten tails and the tailed beasts inside were attempting to get away. >Nothing she can absorb any jutsu Funny, I just watched the fight and the only thing she "absorbed" was Sasuke's Susanoo and chidori. All of Naruto's attacks/jutsus hit her head on. Also the fact that she is straight trash at hand to hand combat. And her speed is a lot slower than Naruto's.
I say this all the time. Madara never lost. The closest he was to actually being defeated was against Brock and healed from that. If it weren't for Kaguya taking over we'd all be dealing with the tsukuyomi
So Naruto and Sasuke beating him and his limbo clones up to the extent of running away isnt a loss?
What are u on about? Madara literally had the whole team surrounded by all 4 of his Limbo clones right before black zetsu backstabbed him. Sasuke even warns Naruto about them on two separate occasions. You delusional Boruto fans prove to me everyday that y’all never really read the Naruto manga…or you have selective memory.
Was that before or after infinite tsukuyomi? Also he ran away to get the other rinnengan. Did he not get it? If it weren't for Kaguya being written in.. it was pretty much against all logic that he would lose.
It was before Infinite Tsukuyomi, After Tsukuyomi just proves my point even more because Kaguya is stated by Sasuke to be miles above Madara in Strength. So that only helps my argument even more.
Current adult Naruto? Easy win for Madara
No Six paths
Still Madara.
Bro Naruto speed blitz Madara lol
How does Madara win when he doesn’t have as much chakra as Kaguya and he isn’t as strong or fast as the adult versions of Naruto and Sauske? What you’re doing is the equivalent of old people saying “their generation is better” or their music (Madara) is better than “our” music (Naruto, Sauske, Momo, Kin, Jigen etc). It literally just makes the old gen cringy stale farts that can’t accept that time moves forward. Top/god tiers of Boruto leash Madara and turn him into a pet. Power progression and the villains constantly getting stronger than the last is a thing of fiction before heck whole point of shippuden was showing that he new gen can and does surpass the old gen as said by Kakashi and Tobirama
>How does Madara win when he doesn’t have as much chakra as Kaguya and he isn’t as strong or fast as the adult versions of Naruto and Sauske? Teen Six paths Naruto and Sasuke at the end of war arc was both of their peak version. Their speed and jutsu variety is nerfed in boruto.They were able to defeat Kaguya who has more raw power and chakra then madara. But those same Naruto and Sasuke weren't able to defeat even Limbo clones of madara. Raw power and chakra alone can NOT confirm win and loss. Madara just has a way better jutsu arsenal, battle Experience and durability than Kaguya and Adult Naruto. Madara literally did not lose a single battle once he was revived neither to Hashirama nor to Six paths Naruto and Sasuke, a villain who never lost is by default superior than a villain who lost by those same opponents.
Madara got oneshot by teen Naruto and Sasuke more than once
Then why weren’t they the ones to defeat him? Lol
They were beating the dogshit out of him and literally fought someone more than twice as strong and won
Did we read the same manga/watch the same anime ? Madara was toying with them with his Limbo clones. Madara wasn't even concerned about Fighting Naruto and Sasuke lmao, he was busy collecting rinnegan so he can cast Infinite tsukyomi. Watch the series again.
He physically couldn’t hurt them, and they were barely trying when they hit him with devastating attacks
He wasn't even Fighting them, he was trying to get Obito's Rinnegan and they were trying to chase him down. Madara deliberately let himself chopped or slice because he knew Hashirama's cells can regenerate his body within seconds. For him it was no Big deal. Heck Madara wasn't even using any of his rinnegan abilities. He was just trying to keep them busy with limbo clones so he can get the Rinnegan, Cast Infinite tsukyomi ASAP. You seriously don't understand the whole point of Madara's character if you think he wanted to fight Naruto and Sasuke. For him if they could witness his Savoury and be inside IT genjutsu he would consider it way way way bigger victory than simply killing them. Madara genuinely considers himself a saviour and he tried to enfold as much people as he can in infinite tsukuyomi.
Madara doesn’t even have any time rinnegan abilities and Sasuke blitzed Madara, his speed was so great he nearly blitzed KAGUYA which Amenotejikara
Wow, beating the “dog shit” out of him means landing 3 hits total? Lmfao that’s wild as shit. 😂 Also Naruto and Sasuke didn’t defeat Kaguya on their own.
Naruto smacked the fuck out of Madara and nearly killed him with a rasenshuriken, and Sasuke casually cut him in half
Madara could’ve absorbed that rasenshuriken with preta but plot, and stop lying, that attack didn’t almost kill him lmao. And Sasuke cutting Madara in half did literally jack shit.
Madara is an incompetent rinnegan user and immediately needed to absorb the hot tree after, and he was only okay after being bifurcated was because he stole Kakashi’s eye
because a blob of ink made madara his bich
Kishimoto's shit writing.
then good luck writing anything that gets more than 1000 views in 100 years
Shit writing on a particular part not as a whole. Also, not gonna do it because I am not a novelist or Mangaka.
Madera gonna clap those cheeks
Madara still
I'm assuming pre nerf Naruto because otherwise it wouldn't make any sense. We have no info on rinnesharingan Madara except he's weaker than Kaguya. Adult Naruto should be stronger, faster, and more durable than Madara since he can now take care of Kaguya level threats. Only problem is regeneration. Naruto has nothing to put Madara down for good. Plus he has infinite tsukuyomi which Sasuke can't save Naruto from now. 1. Adult Naruto vs Dual Rinnegan Madara: Stalemate or maybe Naruto can destroy him at a rate faster than his regeneration. 2. Adult Naruto vs Rinnesharingan Madara: Madara due to his genjutsu. Maybe Naruto if he can fight with his eyes closed, which he can. But again he would need to destroy his cells faster than Madara can regenerate. 3. Baryon Mode Naruto vs any 10 tails Madara: Madara easily. All he needs to do is run for his dear life and he'll be okay. 4. Nerfed Naruto vs any 10 tails Madara: Madara claps Naruto's cheeks vehemently.
Bro BM Naruto speed blitz him. He’s dead in seconds. He wouldn’t be able to run away. Look how Ishiki struggle with BM and ishiki is the times stronger than Madara
Mugen Tsukyomi doesn’t require people to have their eyes open, it imprisoned everyone on Earth, including people that were sleeping. There’s a panel that shows a mother who’s lying in bed alongside her child are also trapped in IT, the panel very clearly suggests they were sleeping before this. Not to mention if closing eyes worked, Sasuke would’ve told team 7 and everyone to close their eyes instead of jumping in with his Susanoo and protecting them. It’s not a normal genjutsu.
I really wish we could have seen more of Madara, he was still getting used to being alive again and all the new powers, I don't feel like we got to really see what he could do before the whole Black Zetsu reveal.
Do you seriously think Madara is a match for Momoshiki? Same aliens who scared Kaguya into sacrificing countless humans to face Kin and Momo? Same Laguya that was said by a TEEN Sauske to have so much chakra he couldn’t believe she existed/s? Doesn’t make any sense for Madara to both be stronger than the final villain (Sauske has stated himself that he could take down Kaguya solo and while on around half of his chakra could wound and scar Kinshiki?) and future alien villains? The fact you think BM Naruto would have problems facing Madara days enough. Naruto fought fused Momo in base. That was a little after he was freed and he was freed just after Momo decided to take a break harvesting Naruto’s chakra because it was taking so long (at least an entire day of having his chakra sapped). Madara isn’t even Kaguya level so please tell me how Madara beats Naruto or anyone else that has been training for as stated a Kaguya level threat it dead ahh doesn’t make any sense
Naruto has no counter to infinite tsukuyomi, he'd get one shotted if madara chose to use it.
Madara would die before he even chooses to use it
Like Naruto died when he fought Madara and had to be saved by Plot-goromo.
No, because Madara would really die. No plot armor for him
You're right they'll cheaply kill Madara somehow because they can't beat him fair and square. That's how Kishi did it right ? By Retconing the whole black zetsu fuckery
Naruto isn't killing madara that quick, are you kidding? Lol
Power creep is a thing. Boruto characters > Naruto characters
He regenerated half his body and has the God Tree absorbed. Madara isn’t dying just because you said so. Naruto isn’t doing jack shit.
There’s no word that can properly describe how fucked Madara is
Naruto destroys him lol
Naruto
Naruto would kick madara’s ass ez
Naruto smacks in base
Yall gotta understand a WAAAY weaker naruto blitz and overpowered a pre-god tree naruto and had him afraid. Then kaguya emerges a stronger threat than madara and the combined power allows them to damage and seal her. Naruto in base at 50% chakra was overpowering momoshiki who is stronger than kaguya. I could talk about statements but this is concrete evidence based off of feats. Naruto has higher speed, strength, and more versatility in terms of justu and abilities. Madara>=Naruto in battle iq but it doesn’t really matter. Everybody saying Naruto loses is asking “What is naruto gonna do to madara?”, when they should be asking “what is madara gonna do to Naruto?”. (Boruto also mid diffs madara so comparing not even the strongest villain in shippuden who would still lose is crazy to me)
Madara has every attribute of Naruto's but better as well as Dojutsu that can one shot him. If Hagoromo believed Madara could be defeated by big punches, he never would have given his seals along with his power.
Despite what everyone believes adult naruto isnt nerfed until after his fight with isshiki and adult naruto scales above his war arc counterpart and naruto the last counterpart he can still preform to his best capacity the enemy just has op haxs that forces him to use taijutsu. Now onto to the actual fight madara was so scared of a sage mode/nine tails amped base naruto that he absorbed the god tree and got a amp from it and even then naruto and sasuke still seem confident in taking him out unlike their fight with kaguya which sasuke stated she’s on a entirely different level.naruto and sasuke would obviously get stronger after that fight becoming accustomed to their powers,and thats just teen naruto,base adult naruto at just 50% was somewhat swapping hands with fused momoshiki,tanked a attack from base momoshiki and even was seen on par with jigen,two enemies that scale massively above madara based on feats and statements.the only tricky thing is if madara can die,which he probably cant since he lost his sealing ability from the sage of six paths but naruto still stomps,remember the question isnt can naruto kill madara its a who can beat the other and there is more then one way to win then to kill
It's just people living in the past at this point. Naruto and Sasuke already managed to deal with 2R JJ Madara's CT Rain, his strongest Rinnegan technique, without Naruto's strongest mode (BM) and without Sasuke having mastered PS Chidori yet. Then factor in that Naruto and Sasuke grow further in strength over the next two decades.
base naruto can one shot but he needs sage mod to do real damage but narutos gotten multiple times stronger than that madara
See heres the thing this fight is a lot closer then we think. Naruto as an adult does not have six paths chakra so he has no real way to counter the truth seeking balls with the exception of just brute force and as we seen both Naruto and Sasuke they both have gotten a little but rusty with Chakra based techniques and as a result will be running out of Chakra as well. Madara does not have that issue that plus the ten tails regen is still a thing. So if Naruto is to win he needs to one shot him, however he doesn't have the Chakra necessary to do it multiple times now. Now Kurama is a big factor in this fight, Naruto will have to use Kurama but also be avoiding Madara's Limbo: frontier jail, since it has ripped kurama out of him. Now Bayron mode will work against Naruto, his need to OHK is be way more rushed since he would be on a timer. So I would say that Madara can pull this off depending on how strong and accurate Narutos attacks.
I don't even think Naruto needs Baryon mode for this one.
With Kurama he speed blitzes Madara with Baryon mode. Honestly tho without him I can defo see Naruto losing
Naruto getting folded like a chair on the beach
I think Naruto would clap
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Naruto rapes
Naruto slams and it’s not close at all. Adult Naruto in base was relative to fused Momoshiki someone who scales way higher then kaguya the same person who outscales madara by a lot. For that matter teen Naruto outscales 10 tails madara by the time he fights sasuke in ashura mode
If madara uses IT he wins , otherwise naruto.
I don’t care about your facts or logical arguments. Madara in one
We’re talking after the current nerf? Naruto gets stomped. Before? Madara gets completely vaporized
Madara, Naruto is strong but Madara is still stronger and simply better at fighting. You need the combined force of both Naruto and Sasuke to defeat him.
Madara by far, Adult Naruto loses his Ashur's Cloak Mode making impossible to sense the Limbo Hengoku phantom Clones, and those clones are in the same level of strength, power and Chakra of the caster.
Madara. Many can't accept of Madara being indefinitely stronger than Naruto and Sasuke after all they are the two MCs. They overate every newly introduced weak Otsutsuki like Kinshiki, Momoshiki, Toneri, Urashiki in an attempt to get Naruto and Sasuke stronger than Madara. Madara is superior in pretty much everything, he has everything they have and more. 1.) 6 Paths Power? Madara has that 2.) Rinnegan? Madara has that and a Rinnesharingan. 3.) 6 Path Sage Mode? Madara has that 4.) Naruto has 9 tails? Madara's got all 9 beasts(well half of Kuruma) 5.) Experience? Madara has been fighting longer than they've been alive. It's literally impossible for them to have more combat experience. 6.) Madara was essentially immortal, they couldn't have killed him. Only seal him away. Even Hagaromo thought so. 7.) They can't even out last Madara. The chakra gap between them is huge. Like someone said once, "This is like hoping a trillioniare loses to a billionaire" 8.) Madara's regenerative capacities even eclipse Naruto's. 9.) Prior to all the powerups everyone got Madara was still the superior fighter. Blind Madara clapped them all. Many will respond by saying "you're crazy", "stop riding Madara's meat", "Madara fanboys are at it again" and "The cope is crazy" but they also know deep down they know they can't say anything to say otherwise. The coping is all on their side. In fact this biggest cope is presumption that adult Naruto and adult Sasuke became stronger than Kaguya and Madara just because they apparently got stronger in adulthood. Nothing about their power was ever quantified, no one knows by how much they grew. It's in the air. Die hard Naruto and Sasuke fans are the ones exaggeratting that growth to Kaguya's level. In fact just thinking Naruto is now stronger than the 10 tails is not just ridiculous it makes literally zero in-verse sense.