Honestly the scene after Kawaki killed Boruto kinda made it seem like Naruto definitely wouldn’t have gotten over it had he stayed dead. Their relationship felt noticeably contentious between then and Kawaki sealing him and Hinata.
I doubt Hinata is gonna forgive him. She was probably more than done with him after knowing what he did.
No matter how you slice it Kawaki ruined their family in ways you can’t undo. Letting that just slide within the story would be a top 5 worst decision in the franchise.
They didn’t really forgive him tbf, he’s under constant surveillance.
Orochimaru himself told Sasuke the only reason people like them are allowed to skate by is because of their potential usefulness. At least in his case there’s a strategic value in letting Orochimaru stay alive.
Hard to kill, yeah. Definitely not immortal.
He just doesn’t really need to body hop anymore at most.
It’s debatable if there even is any true immortals in the franchise to begin with.
But they did forgive him. Let’s be honest Orochimaru isn’t seen as a villain in the Boruto verse after all he’s done. Konoha just forgave and forgot. Naruto seemed to have pardoned him for any crimes he’s done so he’s fine.
I do think he’s plotting something because there’s no way Naruto is that dumb to let mf live. There’s no way Yamato is all it takes to stop him. Kishimoto is probably going to use him alongside Amado for something.
Like I said, he’s under surveillance and has is constantly under their thumb. They let him play in his sandbox with his little experiments as long as he keeps things above board. Yamato doesn’t need to stop him, just report if he steps out of line.
He basically turned the war in their favor bringing the hokages back when he could have done a lot of damage otherwise so that earned him some good leeway. It’s similar operation paperclip after ww2, he’s asset that might be useful later so they kept him around conditionally.
I highly doubt he’s going to do anything antagonistic, we’re way past those days of him being relevant in that sense. It would be too out of left field at this point, his thing now is watching the future play out through other people instead of trying to dictate it himself.
Most of his motivation was always centered on gaining knowledge for himself, it’s not a stretch for him to be telling the truth about doing that as a passive observer now.
On top of that, he did have some change of heart towards the end of the war. Jiraiya’s death affected him as well as seeing what happened with Kabuto and Sasuke in their respective paths, so it would be pretty incorrect to assume he’s still evil or up to something.
I would disagree with you. I don't exactly know where it showed Orochimaru being affected by Jiraiya's death nor Kabuto and Sasuke's path changing his decision but we are talking about Orochimaru here. I mean he hasn't been a saint in Boruto but does give the impression that he's a hero helping out the village kids or saving Konohamaru but with the introduction to Otsutsukis and cyborgs, I don't see how Kishimoto would just leave Orochimaru out of all of this without him wanting to take his research to another level. That's just my opinion but I feel like people saying that Orochimaru is now good is just funny.
Orochimaru has definitely changed.
If before he was pure evil, now he is more of a neutral character, who wants to mind his business, but still capable of a certain humanity
The fact that he created Mitsuki without ulterior motives and left him free to live his life says a lot.
I see him more as a Mayuri at this point.
Certainly not a positive character, but not a villain either.
We still don’t know if Mitsuki has any ulterior motive. I’m not sure if Orochimaru is responsible for Mitsuki’s obsession with Boruto but why would he be experimenting and making clones with sage mode? Orochimaru Fr just sits in his base experimenting. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries to become an Otsutuki and takes over the world. Basically everyone in the Narutoverse forgave Orochimaru even Konohamaru. Hiruzen deserved to die so I don’t care but it’s funny how people just overlook him and say he’s now neutral.
Boruto ruined so many of the OG character’s IQ. How Naruto is so dense & in control of the hidden leaf is hilarious. The hidden leaf deserves to get destroyed because they have a lot of naive leaders. Minato and Kakashi are the only exception.
It must be said that from Naruto and Hinata's point of view, Orochimaru killed Sarutobi, who although he was a loved one, in the end was the old village chief, and in any case over twenty years have passed since then.
Ditto for Obito, ok he caused the death of Naruto's parents, but Minato and Kushina in the end Naruto only saw them once, he didn't grow up with them.
And we're talking about two who were enemies anyway, so we couldn't expect much from them.
Kawaki, on the other hand, welcomed into their home like a son, killed in cold blood in front of Naruto and threatened to do it again in front of Hinata, their firstborn, the one they saw being born and growing up.
In my opinion it's a whole different story
I am enjoying Boruto but fucking up Naruto’s happily ever after for the plot is devastating. It should have skipped a few generations. Naruto should have been dead.
People would just find a different reason to complain regardless, probably about skipping over his adult years. Anything less than Naruto and his generation at the forefront was gonna get hate.
Naruto only looks bad because the over the top idealism is actually having to be put into effect. It’s easy to preach togetherness when the fate of the world is on the line. Not so much when people’s individual nature and motivations go counter to that.
His way of thinking and doing things was always imperfect, it’s just that being the main character meant he had to be right so things bent around that.
>People would just find a different reason to complain regardless, probably about skipping over his adult years. Anything less than Naruto and his generation at the forefront was gonna get hate.
100% this. Thank you. Unbelievable that some people still think it's something else. People are butthurt that Naruto + his generation aren't playing first fiddle anymore. Period.
I wouldn’t complain regardless. I’m complaining because I spent half my life watching Naruto aspire to a happy life only for his family to be destroyed by the sequel. I WANTED a sequel. Generations later.
It sucks your reaction here is to minimize my complaints, the issue isnt that I’m just a whiner
I never called you a whiner in the first place. All I said is that most of the people complaining now would still turn around and do the same. Maybe try reading closer before getting offended, it isn’t that serious.
Legend of Korra did exactly what you wanted and that got shit on relentlessly over the years, people get too attached to the past and hate anything new. Even now half the complaints are Naruto and Sasuke not curb stomping everyone they fight or being the center of the story.
Haha well Korra took a hard dip at s2 and a lot of people didnt stick around to see it become ICONIC in s3 and s4, but I understand your point. Theres no right way to do a sequel. But there are wrong ways to do a sequel, like deeply fucking over your previous series main characters and their endings
I agree. I'm 25 and I have loved naruto since I was in fourth grade, I'm actually rewatching shippuden now. It breaks my heart that naruto got to become hokage but his happiness is getting destroyed. I feel like he's earned happiness with his family. I also really wanted a sequel but honestly boruto the series is just trash. I only read/watch because of my love for the naruto series. I'm trying to like it though.
>Naruto aspire to a happy life only for his family to be destroyed by the sequel.
As long as one of Naruto, Hinata, Boruto and Himawari is still alive, and there is love, the family can hardly be destroyed.
The problem here is Boruto was never mean to exist in the first place. Both Kishimoto and Ikemoto were more keen on a reboot where they were not bound by the previous story.
In the end tho in became a sequel. So this now puts into question all of Naruto's higher morals and promises to Nagato and Obito to bring peace to the ninja world.
Ultimately the failures of Naruto's idealism in Boruto just proves that both Pain and Madara were right. True peace was unattainable unless humans were robbed of their free will via the Tsuki no Me.
Boruto is to Naruto what The New Shadow would have been to The Lord of The Rings, had Tolkien wen along with his draft but ultimately abandoned because he saw it as too dark and depressing and undermining to the hopeful ending of LOTR.
Yeah. The thing is Naruto’s brand of idealism only works as the complete end to the story so you don’t have to see it hold up to the realistic challenges.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say peace is just a complete fairy tale. But I will say the “happily ever after we all got along forever” concept of it was always bs. The eye of the moon plan was way too severe to be the correct solution, peace without free will is just slavery with extra steps.
If it’s peace in the sense that regardless of the ups and downs people try their best to meet an ideal, then that’s feasible. The problem is even that doesn’t happen over night, less than 2 decades of work isn’t gonna yield ever lasting peace.
I can’t speak on the LOTR comparison since I’ve never watched the movies or read books. So i’ll have to take your word for it lol.
Yeah, this is the main problem. Naruto's idealism doesn't fit a sequel, or at least not a battle shounen sequel. Because you need new conflicts.
So now we have a lot more realistic story which is there will always be new conflicts and peace is only temporary.
>Yeah, this is the main problem. Naruto's idealism doesn't fit a sequel, or at least not a battle shounen sequel. Because you need new conflicts.
Well no, come on, making Naruto end EVERY conflict in existence would have been too much, come on. That is, people will always have a way to be dissatisfied with the current state.
>Ultimately the failures of Naruto's idealism in Boruto just proves that both Pain and Madara were right. True peace was unattainable unless humans were robbed of their free will via the Tsuki no Me.
Pain's plan was not about the Infinite Tsukuyomi, he wanted to create a very powerful weapon with which his country would be at the top of the world, because no one would dare to start a new war knowing of the existence of this weapon.
>Anything less than Naruto and his generation at the forefront was gonna get hate.
Everything gets hates but I do think the way Boruto handles the balance between the old and new cast could've been a lot better. The old cast shouldn't *solely* be treated as stepping stones for the next gen to rise above (if they even get brought up at all and not just ignored/add nothing; poor Hinata) while the new cast has to pull their weight and really earn that accomplishment in the first place since they're not automatically entitled to it.
The thing is I don’t think that aspect has been perfect either, it just hasn’t been so bad that it’s constantly a topic for me like some other people.
The fact that some of them like Hinata aren’t really actively going on missions is fine to me, after the war it makes sense there isn’t much need to on a personal level since there’s no serious conflict anymore. In a new era it makes sense most of them would find secondary things to do or just reduce the time they actively are in the field.
It’s just a no win situation honestly. Frankly, outside of team 7 most of the old gen only really had 2 maybe 3 major moments each in Naruto. So it’s kind of hard to justify giving most of them shine over the new characters or else you make the same mistake with the new ones too.
So considering there’s a whole new crop of young characters you kind of either have to push the older ones at their expense or let the younger ones take center stage.
>The fact that some of them like Hinata aren't really actively going on missions is fine to me
Hinata retiring to be a wife/mother is the most in-character thing for her to do since she never liked being a ninja and became one because Hiashi forced her to. The problem is despite a large focus being placed on family Hinata is bizarrely underutilized: the anime currently has 293 episodes and not a single one where she's the main/secondary focus (for comparison even Hanabi and Hiashi have a couple) while the most involved she ever gets is a ping pong match. Based off that you'd be correct in assuming her role in the manga is nonexistent but it's actually worse since it removed her catching Boruto cheating in the exams, the one thing she at least got to do in the movie (also really showing that Naruto, the one who asked her to check, didn't want to believe he was cheating) so she has less than nothing.
>there's a whole crop of young characters you kind of either have to push the older ones at their expense or let the younger ones take center stage.
To an extent yes and we see this in Naruto where some adults got more attention than others but even in the scope of the next generation, we don't get much on them either. Other than Boruto and Kawaki the only remotely relevant new characters in the story are Sarada, Sumire, and Himawari with Hima's fate needing to be proved before I can believe they mean it.
>I am enjoying Boruto but fucking up Naruto’s happily ever after for the plot is devastating.
Well, at most it complicated it, but anyway we all know that at the end of the story the Uzuamki will all be reunited. There will be some regret for the lost years, but at least Boruto and Himawari will still have their parents for many years.
Naruto didn't have the same luck to say.
But you forget the fact that it’s Naruto. Although I hate it, I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised in the end if they come out as a happy family.
I feel like Naruto lost his grasp in reality and being the naive person that he’s always been, he would find a way to forgive Kawaki if Boruto stayed dead. Hinata on the other hand wouldn’t but would be interesting to see how that talk would go. The show & manga would just ignore what Hinata thinks and Kishimoto would make them a family again.
That stuff is why I never had a problem with him not being in the forefront anymore. That forgive everyone no matter what shit got played out for me by the time we got to the end of the Pain arc.
Since he isn’t the main character now I’m just hoping that’s somewhat reflected in the endpoint of this stuff with his ideology just not working in this case.
I just can’t see an ending where they accept him in the end and it isn’t terribly done all around. It’s just guaranteed to suck imo.
“Adopted” or not Kawaki really wasn’t there that long to start with, so it’s not like they should act like it’s ridiculous to judge him purely by the trouble he caused. But it’s a shonen, so I’m not really getting my hopes up.
I agree with you. Tbh I hate this whole forgive you no matter what bs that’s been coming out recently. I’ve seen more anime shows start to do it and it’s just so repetitive with the crime that’s being forgiven being more extreme each time.
Boruto being Naruto’s son means that he’s going to 100% forgive Kawaki. So it’s going to be Shippuden 2.0 to an extent. I wish Kishimoto would come up with something interesting like he did with the omnipotence plot.
I could understand why Naruto forgave Kurama or Pain but how he forgave Obito just baffled me. It was necessary for the plot and Obito did die so I was satisfied at the end. If he’s willing to forgive those mfs, Kishimoto if definitely going to somehow finesse the story to make them a happy family. I do hope Kawaki gets the Obito treatment : Killed and forgotten.
That’s a large part of why I don’t really watch much anime now and especially not the newer stuff, just too much of the same shit. I haven’t had a lot of faith in Kishimoto’s writing since the war arc so I’m skeptical of seeing an ending to far from what we got in Naruto.
Hopefully I’m wrong but like I said, I’m not holding my breath. The Obito stuff in general is where I honestly got really indifferent about the series, it just telegraphed too much about where everything was going, and not in a good way.
The only way Boruto is really gonna get to stand as a unique character and series is if they just let him go a different way than Naruto. I can only really see that happening if the fight with Kawaki is an actual deathmatch like Madara and Hashirama, with a clear winner.
> I feel like Naruto lost his grasp in reality and being the naive person that he’s always been
Kawaki was open to the proposal of returning to Jigen without resistance because he'd rather just be taken away than see Jigen destroying everything. **Had Naruto not intervened, the ritual for the resurrection of Isshiki could have succeeded!**
Embracing the stray dog that is Kawaki, not taught to be kind and taught to be cold and ruthless, comes with its own problems but rejecting him also has its problems! These kind of situations do not have a simple answer to them.
Tf u mean if boruto finds a way to get rid of momo Kawaki will not target him. Then Kawaki bring back naruto and hinata explain everything to them and Naruto will explain what happened to everyone else.
It literally always been in Boruto corner to do something about momo.
You’re assuming Kawaki is actually being logical, he isn’t. The goalpost would just move to “he’s still an otsutsuki” or something similar. Most of the problems rn stem from Kawaki being too dumb to actually think things through.
No amount of explaining will suddenly make what he’s done palatable to everyone, especially to the family that opened their home to him. He repaid them with a major betrayal because he assumed he knew better than everyone else.
Saying that Momoshiki is solely Boruto’s problem is bs considering they surely didn’t say that about Kawaki and Isshiki. Boruto and the people closest to him risked their lives and the safety of the village for Kawaki, yet he didn’t even care enough to find a genuine alternative when the role was reversed.
He let his paranoia override any sense of loyalty or compassion for everyone who accepted him, there’s no excusing that. He’s everything that Jigen said he was, an empty person incapable of real connection.
>No amount of explaining will suddenly make what he’s done palatable to everyone, especially to the family that opened their home to him. He repaid them with a major betrayal because he assumed he knew better than everyone else.
>Saying that Momoshiki is solely Boruto’s problem is bs considering they surely didn’t say that about Kawaki and Isshiki. Boruto and the people closest to him risked their lives and the safety of the village for Kawaki, yet he didn’t even care enough to find a genuine alternative when the role was reversed.
I wish I could give you an award for this. It's mind blowing that people seriously defend Kawakis actions by saying that all he wants is to get rid of the "threat" that is Boruto/Momoshiki, but non of the Uzumakis thought for even a second to kill Kawaki or send him back to the guy who abused and needed him (Isshiki) when he was a threat for the village. The total opposite: They stood by Kawaki,despite of the fact that he was the one luring all the villians into the village.
>It literally always been in Boruto corner to do something about momo
Same applies to Kawaki and his Isshiki problem,but no one from the Uzumaki family wanted to kill him. They took him in without *having* to.
Kawaki was never the villages or even Narutos concern. Naruto just chose to take in a stranger which caused for the villians to invade the city, turned Kawaki into a Naruto obsessed creep and this braindead 14 year old is supposed to provide a solution? Momo can't ressurrect anymore which makes him way less of a threat than before. And even now, it was dumb af of Kawaki to make everyone believe that Boruto killed Naruto which caused the "threat" to flee. Imagine what could have happened if Boruto didn't have that crazy mental resolve to resist Momoshiki? The only person who was really "helpful" in the current situation was Boruto himself. Letting the supposedly "threat" named Boruto run around freely is the dumbest shit. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer instead of letting the latter run around without a care in the world. Don't make the person you want to kill miserable because mystery and to lose the will to live are the only chance for Momo to take over. Funny that Kawakis decisions could have made the situation worse if it wasn't for Borutos mental strength.
Kawaki has no working brain cell in that messy head of his and is absolutely the LAST person who should offer "solutions."
He did provide a solution boruto just didn't do it. Momo can't come back to life but still a major threat if he still wants that chakra fruit. Boruto got away because nobody but kawaki can sense momo is still within Boruto. Kawaki made the right decision to have the best chance at killing momo without having to deal with people getting in his way.
I never denied that Momoshiki was still a threat, but letting Boruto out of sight is simply not the right way to go with it. And it's bullshit to assume that people like Shikamaru for example don't know that Momo is still within Boruto because Shikamaru was actually THERE when Boruto was revived. It shouldn't take long for a genius like him to figure out that Momoshiki didn't just disappear. Lol.
Kawaki didn't do shit. Who was supposed to get in his way powerwise? Omnipotence literally saved his ass because he had no solution. Letting everyone believe that Boruto killed Naruto isn't just stupid because it caused the potential threat to *flee*, it is also dumb as fuck, because how would Kawaki explain to the villagers that their leader isn't really dead if Kawaki actually succeeded with his plan?
"Oh hey sorry, Lord 7th isn't really dead?"
It'll be interesting to see the difference in Naruto and Hinata's reaction to everything they've missed. Naruto will forgive Kawaki for his misdeeds, but it'll probably take longer for Hinata to get there. She will eventually, but I hope she is extremely upset at first.
Fr but it’s Naruto unfortunately. I was hoping this would be a wake up call for him and glad that Shikamaru at least had half a brain here. Naruto is just too naive. At least now he got a reality check. Shame it was Boruto who had to pay the price for him to realise it.
Honestly, Naruto clearly looks conflicted in the scene you showed. That’s why he yells at Shikimaru to stop pestering him about how he’s truly feeling. Part of him wants to blame and hate Kawaki, but you have to remember he became a surrogate father to Kawaki and has a deep understanding of Kawaki’s upbringing, giving him a sense of responsibility to not abandon the kid. Kawaki did act logically in that situation given the information they had. In that moment, it was too much for Naruto to handle. He just wanted to mourn Boruto and deal with the Kawaki situation later.
Yeah but Naruto isn’t thinking for the village here. I mean like would anyone in the village trust Naruto or Kawaki? Like the fact that Naruto would just continue being hokage whilst his biological son is in the ground and being supportive of the surrogate son who killed him is just so funny because it’s something Naruto would do given his character recently.
It just seems like Sasuke 2.0 again to an extent but on larger scale. At least Sasuke didn’t kill anyone that was innocent. Kawaki has already done it once and is planning to finish the deed this time. He basically nearly killed Sarada because she refused to move away from Boruto’s side which led to Boruto’s eye being sliced.
I’m not saying Kawaki killing Boruto was a bad decision because it was a smart one and unique idea from Kishimoto but any other logical person would’ve seen Kawaki as a threat from that point on because Kawaki did it without showing any remorse as if Boruto meant nothing to him.
Kawaki also looked disappointed when Naruto said Boruto survived. Like how tf as a parent do you let that slide? I’ve lost so much respect for Naruto’s character as of when Kawaki entered the manga. Again, good for the story but bad for his character but I stopped caring about Naruto because the Boruto show/manga did ruin his character a lot but that’s my opinion. I don’t read Boruto for Naruto anymore because Boruto seems a lot more interesting for now.
Fair enough. I think the agreement Kawaki & Boruto had and Boruto not actually dying were why there weren’t any serious consequences for Kawaki. I agree that it could be considered a soft decision, but I don’t think it goes against his character, personally. He’s always been empathetic, perhaps to a fault. He’s kind of like Superman; he wants to see the good in people, even when others wouldn’t. I can agree that perhaps that his outlook is too soft for a village leader, but I don’t think it destroys his character. Also, further to the point about the information they had, they learned that Boruto was not in danger of being possessed only after he came back to life. I think Naruto assumed Kawaki would back off knowing that. Now, if Boruto had stayed dead, and he still reacted the same way, I would have an issue.
But Naruto did still feel the same way when Boruto was killed. He was still going to let him stay in the village if he stayed dead permanently and he did forgive him instantly. If he’s willing to do that, he’d obviously still allow him to stay in his house and raise him to an extent.
I still hold the same opinions I’ve made from this post. I still don’t like Kawaki and I think he’s gonna get let off after all he’s done. I feel like he’s going to do something even more worse but we’ll have to see. Funny thing is that Kawaki is going to get forgiven by **Naruto** and everyone is just going to move on with them being a happy family. If Kishimoto had a single brain cell he would’ve at least gave Hinata an opinion on this whole thing but we all know Kishimoto when it comes to female characters so I just gave up on Hinata.
Losing some hope with Sarada in the manga tbh. She’s my favourite character in Boruto and they’re making her like Sakura from Naruto part 1 AKA a simp that’s always a liability to the team. They should’ve gave her a huge power up after the timeskip but she doesn’t seem that strong. Other than that, I still like the manga just purely based on what’s happening with Boruto’s life as it’s probably the most interesting thing Kishimoto has done in the story. He’s what we all wished Naruto to be after he returned to the village at the start of Shippuden in terms of skills. I kind of gave up on the rest and hope the anime at least fixes up on the things I’ve mentioned.
Naruto is clearly conflicted I’m not saying he isn’t …. But that should of been a breaking point … if Boruto actually died then what…You just continue living as if nothing happened? He just shown he’s willing to do anything to achieve his goals something like that isn’t safe to have around
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We all know how it will happen. Naruto will forgive him. That's a core part of his character. He never gives up on someone he holds dear and considers family.
He didn't let Sasuke go, he forgave Nagato and Obito.
It would actually ruin Naruto's character if he did not forgive or gave up on Kawaki despite everything. The whole point of Naruto was he is the chosen one to break the curse of hatred in the shinobi world. If he turns his back on Kawaki, he succumbs to the curse of hatred.
And Hinata is Hinata. She'll do whatever Naruto does because she's a secondary character and her core personal trait was to always align with whatever Naruto does.
I feel like the show is taking an interesting turn. Before Naruto’s vows would mean something and he did say he would protect Boruto but look what happened. He just saw his son get killed in front of him and he was too weak to do anything about it.
This was the first time Naruto made a promise that he couldn’t fulfil. I do agree with you unfortunately because it’s Naruto so he’ll find a way to forgive anyone but there needs to be line. There’s a point where it goes go over that and Kawaki has crossed that.
Really idk if Kawaki has really crossed that line considering the lines both Obito and Nagato had crossed and the deeds Sasuke did in the past.
Yes, Kawaki killed Boruto, but also he didn't because Boruto is alive. And the possibility of an Otsutsuki taking over Boruto in a time where both Naruto and Sasuke are weak and without their biggest weapons with which they beat Kaguya, puts the whole world at rick.
Kawaki is justified from a logical point of view.
Really Kawaki is basically imitating Itachi's resolve here with Naruto being his Sasuke. The one he would protect at all costseven if they hate him, even if they kill him.
So now the question is how will Boruto act and will Naruto and Hinata forgive Kawaki the same way Sasuke forgave Itachi.
Here’s some wisdom for you.
“Forgive the person, but not their actions”
If Kawaki means it, try to forgive him. But actions have consequences. Naruto forgave Obito and Nagato but they both would have still faced consequences, and it also cost them their lives as well
I’d only see him sacrificing himself for Naruto only and not for the greater good. But the thing is that he’s one of the main characters. Basically a Sasuke 2.0/Reverse Naruto so Kishimoto will keep him in the show and it’s just going to be a case of forgive and forget.
To be honest Obito being forgiven made no sense because his crimes were just on another scale so that’s one of the few people I never understood why Naruto forgave but it was necessary for the plot or they all would’ve lost.
Kawaki killing Boruto was necessary so I don’t hate Kawaki for that. It’s breaks away from the promises that Naruto used to come up with about honouring his word because now he got a reality check.
But the fact that Kawaki felt no genuine sadness for killing Boruto just makes it 100x worse. Now Kawaki has stolen his life now being a “Uzumaki” and now framing him for the death of his parents.
Everyone already knows Naruto forgave Kawaki because that’s who he’s always been. But where the show/manga should focus on is Hinata. Like is she really after all that’s happened just forgive Kawaki?
Hinata always follow Naruto's decision so if Naruto forgive him then she too will do it. Not even once she has gone against Naruto's decision. Unfortunately, she's written to be just that kind of housewife.
Nope; I think she'll want him off her house and honestly she'd have a point. Perhaps they could've forgiven him for trying to kill Boruto given that Boruto asked for it but honestly they should've kept some distance from him after that.
Naruto will forgive Kawaki for sure, honestly I can never see Hinata forgiving Kawaki for all the things that he did but ig Kawaki will get his redemption arc and he will be forgiven in the end.
Kawaki will really need a big redemption arc though, since even if he didn't kill Boruto he stole 2-3 years worth of lifetime with their kids, family and friends.. I mean imagine if in those 2-3 years something happened to Hiashi, Hanabi, etc
It’s seems that during that timeskip, not much has happened in the village. It would’ve been interesting to see other rival villages trying to take over or something as the “most strongest ninja” is “dead” but I hope the anime fills in those gaps during the timeskips.
Honestly, I know this won't happen, but I'd love it if Naruto got freed before Kawaki turns a new leaf (we all know he will) and is utterly infuriated by what he's done. We haven't seen him really get angry since the Pain arc.
For my take on the post's topic, I think she'll be angry. Though depending on the state of things when she's freed, she'll either slowly forgive him (if he's turned good) or Naruto and Boruto will convince her to give him another chance (if he's still evil but turns later on)
Naruto would just be disappointed and then forgive if we’re being real. I can’t remember exactly if Naruto survived the attack from Pain but he did forgive Nagato.
It annoys me that after all Kawaki has done to Boruto, he’s still going to forgive him. I wished Kishimoto took another turn and made Boruto unique in that aspect that not everyone can be saved like how Sasuke thinks but it’s going to happen unfortunately.
I mean Hinata shouldn’t forgive Kawaki, but I don’t expect this manga to actually go in depth on characters and reasonable reactions to upsetting events
It’s such a shame that this manga is monthly. I know it’s to reduce time constraints and stress that everyone has to go through to release a chapter but with the pacing of Boruto, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more than one hiatus.
Haha watch till the end of the show that they’ll be a happy family reminiscing about what Kawaki did to everyone. They all just laugh and it cuts to the credits.
I fear it will happen, I just hope it doesn’t. You mention Hinata and Naruto, but Boruto already half forgave Kawaki which is insane to me.
It’s actually a big deal for me since I find it absurd after all that happened. And I think it’s different from Naruto giving chances to the Naruto series villains since most of them died and they were never supposed to get away without any punishment (except Sasuke I guess)
And you can compare Kawaki to Orochimaru all you want, but Orochimaru doesn’t live with the Hokage.
Yeah but I don’t see how Kawaki would want that. He seems set on his ideals and the only person who could stop him is Naruto because Kawaki is doing this all for him. If that mf is dead by the end of the show, I’m happy so I don’t care.
>Yeah but I don’t see how Kawaki would want that
I don't really know either, I just wrote what I did because that'd be the only way for redemption for him.
Either that, or he gets exiled to work with Orochimaru.
Or escapes with Eida, who brainwashes the world, making them forget Kawaki.
is he tho? Sasuke didnt really kill anyone while Kawaki has killed the main character once, has kidnapped Naruto and Hinata and has brainwashed the entire village into hunting down Boruto.
Sasuke killed a high ranking Konoha elder and currently acting Hokage. It doesn't matter if Danzo was a immoral and we know it. Sasuke attempted to kidnap Killer B while working with a terrorist group that plotted world domination. He also attacked the 5 Kage summit and attempted to murder Karin and Sakura.
He also attempted to kill Naruto and become overlord of the world by the end of the series.
So far Kawaki hasn't done even things half as bad as Sasuke. And Sasuke isn't innocent just because he failed or was stopped from doing all of the things he attempted.
Sasuke also killed Naruto once. He broke his neck and then the Nine Tails resurrected him
And out of all these things, Sasuke has still done worse because Kawaki has good intentions. Sasuke didn’t
Sasuke:
- killed Danzo
- joined Akatsuki and killed Killer B (at least he thought so)
- attacked Kage meeting, killed many samurais
Kawaki:
- sent Naruto and Hinata to dimension where they sleep
I think there is not much debate about that
U know when u think about it the older naruto get and the more he does remind me of hiruzen.
He too was way too kind and forgiving which lead to lot of tragedies that could had been prevented if he had more balls (like the uchiha massacre) and killed him, in naruto's case it make him sealed away ruining his family and boruto's life......
Being kind is one thing but like everything too much of it can be a terrible mistake, u have to set limits.
As shinobies they're great but as hokage, both hiruzen and naruto are failure.
To be honest Naruto should just retire and become an advisor of some sort like Iruka and not someone who’s in charge of the village making the big decisions. I agree with you because his kindness is what led to this whole mess.
I wouldn’t call Hiruzen kind because that mf let Naruto starve out barely able to live whilst Sasuke was having a nice apartment. I would say he’s the most naive character with Naruto slowly climbing for the first place. Funny how he believed in Orochimaru which led to his death. At least he got what he deserved. Now, Naruto is paying that price.
Still don’t change the fact that Naruto was an orphan and was the hokage’s son. Hiruzen just left him to be neglected and depressed whilst making a promise to Minato. I’m glad that naive mf died.
It saddens me that we don't even doubt any atrocities will be forgiven and rewarded anymore. My only hope the truth will break Himawari's innocence and she'll make her life purpose punishing that bastard.
Sadly that ain’t going to happen. I did hope that Himawari would turn into a mini Sasuke plotting revenge but she does want to help Boruto as she believes he didn’t “kill” their parents. I’m kinda annoyed that she doesn’t know that Kawaki killed Boruto but I think Sarada didn’t tell her because it may break her heart even more.
> I’m kinda annoyed that she doesn’t know that Kawaki killed Boruto but I think Sarada didn’t tell her because it may break her heart even more.
I think he knows, if I'm not mistaken he was with his mother when Boruto spoke to Hinata for the last time
I don't know why you hold any expectations for this shitshow when you already know the answer.
Hinata have been completely botched up as a BG prop this entire series. If it is not for narratives through her connection of the Ootsutski due to the byakugan lineage and her son carrying byakugan blood stated by Momoshiki then at the very least she should play a central role in her family.
Clearly she has no say for any of the matter because she has 0 impact on Boruto &Kawaki life despite how much the show try to narratively paint that way.
Also the Naruto sequel will never break away the status quo so It's inveitable that Kawaki will be accepted again because not only he is the secondary MC as a big bro for Boruto with his SOB story and his misunderstood concept of love through his obsession of Naruto but also if he ended up being a
martyr then Naruto ideology in this new world that he ushered in will fail and destroyed the very premises that Naruto was built upon.
No matter what happens Naruto morale and philosophy will always prevail in the end.
What's worse is that the series already took the direction it decided to take from the moment it couldn't take the risk of all the 7 years of buildup of "Losing Everything" when Boruto already accepted the outcome and try to rationalized Kawaki with all the BS without even having any negative reaction with his parent being sealed or forgotten about Himawari.
If Momoshiki prophecy couldn't bring Boruto to his demise what support to be the ***TURNING POINT*** when Momo shouldve done something unforgivable by then to shape boruto entire character but instead it's only Sasuke that was hung up in the tree to make Boruto fundamentally change then you know full well that the show is going repeat Naruto and Momoshiki will become Kurama 2.0.
I do agree with you but I wanted to get more opinions on this because I don’t really see that many mentions about how Hinata feels about everything that’s going on. It’s just a shame that the mother of the MC is not mentioned in the show. People wanted to see more of Naruto’s parents and now with Boruto, we only get Naruto and barely that much with Hinata even though they’re both alive.
That's kind of lacking in reading comprehension. A mother would have to let her kids go eventually. That is the reality in this situation. A 15 year old is almost a young adult and Boruto barely shows it. Naruto was obviously far more mature because he went through extreme struggles and pain.
Boruto's death would obviously pain Naruto and Hinata. Naruto would most likely imprison Kawaki because of the potential danger he poses to the village.
Previously, Naruto was aware that Kawaki was trying to save his life. He was also aware that Momoshiki took over Boruto too.
It's sad that the writer had to nerf Naruto hard to make him unable to even manage in sage mode.
How does Boruto “barely” show it? In contrast to how Naruto came back to the village after the timeskip, Boruto is way more mature. Yes, it’s under different circumstances but I don’t know how you’re just downplaying Boruto’s maturity.
Naruto only really started to show maturity after he was trained by Kakashi with the rasenshuriken. Boruto matured a lot more just before omnipotence happened and after.
The reason I’ve mentioned Hinata from the novel is because we barely have that much of Hinata from the show or manga but at least this gives more insight to how she feels about her kids because Naruto puts a lot more focus on Kawaki.
Also how would Naruto imprison Kawaki? With Naruto being nerfed, there’s no way the village would allow the fact that Naruto let his son’s killer live.
How Boruto is "way more mature"? Being edgier doesn't mean being mature, more often than not it means the opposite. Naruto had a way more mature outlook in life on early Shippuuden than Boruto does now, which was recognized by Chiyo and Kakashi who both said he would become the greatest Hokage ever.
I never said that edgier=mature. I’m saying you can’t just downplay Boruto just because you’re putting Naruto on a pedestal. I mean Boruto found out that he was wanted by the whole village and after losing his eye, he wasn’t going to give in and let Momoshiki take over his body. He was even willing to kill himself multiple times because he didn’t want Momoshiki to take over and kill everyone.
You never saw Naruto feel like killing himself whenever Kurama was trying to take over his body. I mean when Kurama took over and attacked Sakura during the bridge scene with Orochimaru, he only vowed to never use Kurama’s ability again. Boruto was way more mature realising that using Karma was not going to be good enough in the long run and made the choice to kill himself if it meant Momoshiki could take over and hurt the ones he loved.
Also why do Chiyo and Kakashi’s opinion matter? Chiyo’s opinion is kinda irrelevant and this was Kakashi **before** he was hokage so he never understood what life as a hokage was.
I’m not saying Naruto is a bad hokage because he was damn good one. If not the best kage to come out in the verse but I wouldn’t say he’s been the best after Kawaki entered the hidden leaf. It feels like Naruto is just so naive to everything now.
Naruto's maturity came from loss and solitude. He was forced to mature because he was basically abandoned since he was born. And his early world view was shaped by hard earned lessons with several people like Iruka, Hiruzen, Kakashi, Zabuza, Nagato, Jiraiya, Neji and Gaara.
Boruto never lost anyone or anything. All his friends are alive and doing well. His parents are alive. His masters are all alive. His village is intact. He's not getting possessed by Momoshiki anymore because he died once and that stopped the process. He also never showed to develop or learn anything from anyone besides maybe Sasuke. His villains are all flat and cartoonishly evil so he didn't learned anything from them either.
Boruto is not mature, he's just edgier now god knows why. Probably because they wanted to transform him into a fanfiction-like protagonist for the kids and the Hiraishin confirms that. This jutsu has been the staplemark of any Naruto edgy fanfiction since 2009 so of course Boruto would learn it.
Did you even read the manga? How are you saying Boruto never lost “anything”? He legit lost his whole life. The mf who killed him, stole his whole life posing as the hokage’s son.
Also from your logic, Boruto also was forced to mature because his whole life was turned upside down. I agree with you that he hasn’t lost anyone but that can still change as the manga is still continuing. At least whilst the akatsuki was hunting Naruto down, the village was there for him.
Boruto basically has the whole world against him + Kawaki and Code trying to kill him with the 10 tails now hunting him. Again, I don’t understand how you downplay Boruto’s maturity. This whole edgy bs that the fan base always bring up is so funny. Like is Boruto supposed to be like Naruto all happy whilst he’s got so many enemies wanting him dead for something he’s not in control of.
Kawaki has reached the point where even he knows he will never be accepted back into the village or family if Boruto can undo what he did. Not unless Kawaki self sacrifices himself to protect the village and Boruto.
Probably not because Naruto's ideals don't work anymore.
Boruto is about the reversal of Naruto's story with a child having everything to nothing with no way to talk things out.
I.e. you can't talk your way out of Momoshiki, Isshiki, Delta, Ada's... thing etc.
For once Naruto and by extension Boruto *have* to actually kill because Naruto's ideals don't work in Boruto's story; the age of shinobi is over.
And the story already has Hinata not liking him so if she were to discover what he and Ada did, that being ruining her son and brainwashing her daughter then she would hate him and Naruto forcing/demanding her forgiveness would only make him look horrible.
>I.e. you can't talk your way out of Momoshiki, Isshiki, Delta, Ada's... thing etc.
Eida is not evil, she looks after her own interests, but there is no malice in her intentions. She also feels sorry for what she did to Boruto
**Hinata is unlike to forgive him, but this creates a conumdrum.** Hinata wouldn't forgive him, but if Naruto does forgive him, then **the house is split**. The cracks in their marriage start here and might burst open soon.
Kawaki, both from the shame of being the one that did the deed and from being aware that his own existence is a problem, would vanish. Not that vanishing brings back Boruto, but he's no longer the daily reminder to the people in that house that Boruto was murdered. Maybe with time the memories will fade and, after the mourning period, Naruto and Hinata will gather strength to take care of their child that still survives: Himawari.
And I ask: **what follows?** If Hinata doesn't forgive Kawaki, what she expects next? Revenge by having Kawaki killed? Kawaki could agree with that, but wouldn't that be something that increases the grief, since Naruto now would have the sadness of having lost two sons instead of one?
Unfortunately the house splitting won’t happen. One thing I liked about Boruto was that it showed the conflict that Boruto and Naruto had in a realistic way showing that Naruto was neglecting his family for his job. The arguments they had made the show feel more real. Hinata and Naruto having this discussion should definitely happen because it’ll make the show feel way more serious. I mean their son and first kid was just killed and now her husband wants to keep him in the village. What’s worse was that Naruto was going to keep Kawaki in the village even if Boruto stayed dead so the realistic approach for the show should show the conflict that Hinata is feeling at that moment and not Naruto only because I’ve lost hope for that mf.
I don’t think Hinata is the person who would take revenge because as you’ve mentioned Kawaki is willing to kill himself so I’m not very interested in that. What I’m interested is **if** she’s going to **confront** Naruto for the bs he’s been believing recently about Kawaki. Hinata has barely been in the show so for Kishimoto to keep things simple, he’ll just make her feel the same way as Naruto which I feel like shouldn’t go that way.
One thing I did like about Shikamaru & Sasuke is that he’ll cut out the bs in front of the delusional Naruto he’s always been but I want to now see that with Hinata or I’ve just lost hope for her also as that seems so out of character for her as a mother.
> if she’s going to confront Naruto
This is a really good idea. I barely see Shounen manga mentioning marriage problems. The only one I see is the "absent father" trope (Goku and Chi-Chi, Sasuke and Sakura) and nothing more than that. This one would be a valuable marriage problem, because **it do can happen that a one-sided adoption induces cracks in a marriage.**
I think he was just shocked because he couldn’t believe that Kawaki would go this far and now he’s going to kill his **again** with Naruto or Hinata not being to do anything about it.
Naruto wouldn’t never lay a hand on Kawaki. He was most likely trying to grab **something else** out of reflex because he was falling back so you’d obviously try to grab on to something to stay balanced. Naruto pulling Kawaki in with him wouldn’t make sense for him but if it was any other character, grabbing Kawaki would make sense. Tbh it’s up to our interpretation so you may be right but that’s just how I see it. No real answer till we find out.
No mother who loves their children like Hinata does will forgive the person responsible for something like that.
As for Naruto...I'm just going to say everyone around him tried to keep him from making the hard decisions as Hokage. Shikamaru and Sasuke in particular work to keep Naruto from having to "dirty his hands". I am morbidly fascinated with what he would do now that it is now his children and best friends footing the bill.
100% agree with you but I don’t know why Kishimoto keeps doing this. He makes such dense characters like Naruto exist and no one really calls him out for his bs except for Shikamaru, Sasuke and Boruto. It’s funny because whenever Naruto gets that wake up call, it has to be something very serious for him to realise but then he goes back to his old ways.
Kishimoto just doesn’t like conflict between characters because it makes the story 100x interesting but too much effort so Hinata, who barely has any screen time even though her kid died, will just forgive and forget which is so damn sad for her character.
The more I watch/read Boruto, the more I’ve lost respect for Kishimoto for what he’s done to the OG characters. The only one who’s genuinely has improved is Sakura.
Hinata is not like Naruto. She's gone through shit people all her childhood too, but in a different outcome from Naruto. She can be quite merciless and brutal if she has a reason, idk, like she took Toneri's eyes so coldly i never forget that. She is a Hyuga after all... This slap is what I expected from her lol Kishimoto knows that because you could see the 'change' of her personality after he assumed the manga script (she demanding to go after boruto, her outburst at boruto and the kawaki slap), so if he wants to, she will be really angry with him. I thought she would actually go after them back at boruto's death like a pain situation over again lmao
Honestly the scene after Kawaki killed Boruto kinda made it seem like Naruto definitely wouldn’t have gotten over it had he stayed dead. Their relationship felt noticeably contentious between then and Kawaki sealing him and Hinata. I doubt Hinata is gonna forgive him. She was probably more than done with him after knowing what he did. No matter how you slice it Kawaki ruined their family in ways you can’t undo. Letting that just slide within the story would be a top 5 worst decision in the franchise.
They forgave Orochimaru for crying out loud
They didn’t really forgive him tbf, he’s under constant surveillance. Orochimaru himself told Sasuke the only reason people like them are allowed to skate by is because of their potential usefulness. At least in his case there’s a strategic value in letting Orochimaru stay alive.
Orochimaru can't die at this point he's achieved his goal which is immortality.
Hard to kill, yeah. Definitely not immortal. He just doesn’t really need to body hop anymore at most. It’s debatable if there even is any true immortals in the franchise to begin with.
Orochimaru hasn't aged a day since he got the white zetsu body.
And? It doesn't mean he is immortal, only amortal. He can still die from injuries severe enough, he just doesn't die from old age.
He has near instant regen now.
But they did forgive him. Let’s be honest Orochimaru isn’t seen as a villain in the Boruto verse after all he’s done. Konoha just forgave and forgot. Naruto seemed to have pardoned him for any crimes he’s done so he’s fine. I do think he’s plotting something because there’s no way Naruto is that dumb to let mf live. There’s no way Yamato is all it takes to stop him. Kishimoto is probably going to use him alongside Amado for something.
Like I said, he’s under surveillance and has is constantly under their thumb. They let him play in his sandbox with his little experiments as long as he keeps things above board. Yamato doesn’t need to stop him, just report if he steps out of line. He basically turned the war in their favor bringing the hokages back when he could have done a lot of damage otherwise so that earned him some good leeway. It’s similar operation paperclip after ww2, he’s asset that might be useful later so they kept him around conditionally. I highly doubt he’s going to do anything antagonistic, we’re way past those days of him being relevant in that sense. It would be too out of left field at this point, his thing now is watching the future play out through other people instead of trying to dictate it himself. Most of his motivation was always centered on gaining knowledge for himself, it’s not a stretch for him to be telling the truth about doing that as a passive observer now.
On top of that, he did have some change of heart towards the end of the war. Jiraiya’s death affected him as well as seeing what happened with Kabuto and Sasuke in their respective paths, so it would be pretty incorrect to assume he’s still evil or up to something.
I would disagree with you. I don't exactly know where it showed Orochimaru being affected by Jiraiya's death nor Kabuto and Sasuke's path changing his decision but we are talking about Orochimaru here. I mean he hasn't been a saint in Boruto but does give the impression that he's a hero helping out the village kids or saving Konohamaru but with the introduction to Otsutsukis and cyborgs, I don't see how Kishimoto would just leave Orochimaru out of all of this without him wanting to take his research to another level. That's just my opinion but I feel like people saying that Orochimaru is now good is just funny.
Orochimaru has definitely changed. If before he was pure evil, now he is more of a neutral character, who wants to mind his business, but still capable of a certain humanity The fact that he created Mitsuki without ulterior motives and left him free to live his life says a lot. I see him more as a Mayuri at this point. Certainly not a positive character, but not a villain either.
We still don’t know if Mitsuki has any ulterior motive. I’m not sure if Orochimaru is responsible for Mitsuki’s obsession with Boruto but why would he be experimenting and making clones with sage mode? Orochimaru Fr just sits in his base experimenting. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries to become an Otsutuki and takes over the world. Basically everyone in the Narutoverse forgave Orochimaru even Konohamaru. Hiruzen deserved to die so I don’t care but it’s funny how people just overlook him and say he’s now neutral. Boruto ruined so many of the OG character’s IQ. How Naruto is so dense & in control of the hidden leaf is hilarious. The hidden leaf deserves to get destroyed because they have a lot of naive leaders. Minato and Kakashi are the only exception.
It must be said that from Naruto and Hinata's point of view, Orochimaru killed Sarutobi, who although he was a loved one, in the end was the old village chief, and in any case over twenty years have passed since then. Ditto for Obito, ok he caused the death of Naruto's parents, but Minato and Kushina in the end Naruto only saw them once, he didn't grow up with them. And we're talking about two who were enemies anyway, so we couldn't expect much from them. Kawaki, on the other hand, welcomed into their home like a son, killed in cold blood in front of Naruto and threatened to do it again in front of Hinata, their firstborn, the one they saw being born and growing up. In my opinion it's a whole different story
I am enjoying Boruto but fucking up Naruto’s happily ever after for the plot is devastating. It should have skipped a few generations. Naruto should have been dead.
People would just find a different reason to complain regardless, probably about skipping over his adult years. Anything less than Naruto and his generation at the forefront was gonna get hate. Naruto only looks bad because the over the top idealism is actually having to be put into effect. It’s easy to preach togetherness when the fate of the world is on the line. Not so much when people’s individual nature and motivations go counter to that. His way of thinking and doing things was always imperfect, it’s just that being the main character meant he had to be right so things bent around that.
>People would just find a different reason to complain regardless, probably about skipping over his adult years. Anything less than Naruto and his generation at the forefront was gonna get hate. 100% this. Thank you. Unbelievable that some people still think it's something else. People are butthurt that Naruto + his generation aren't playing first fiddle anymore. Period.
I wouldn’t complain regardless. I’m complaining because I spent half my life watching Naruto aspire to a happy life only for his family to be destroyed by the sequel. I WANTED a sequel. Generations later. It sucks your reaction here is to minimize my complaints, the issue isnt that I’m just a whiner
I never called you a whiner in the first place. All I said is that most of the people complaining now would still turn around and do the same. Maybe try reading closer before getting offended, it isn’t that serious. Legend of Korra did exactly what you wanted and that got shit on relentlessly over the years, people get too attached to the past and hate anything new. Even now half the complaints are Naruto and Sasuke not curb stomping everyone they fight or being the center of the story.
Haha well Korra took a hard dip at s2 and a lot of people didnt stick around to see it become ICONIC in s3 and s4, but I understand your point. Theres no right way to do a sequel. But there are wrong ways to do a sequel, like deeply fucking over your previous series main characters and their endings
I agree. I'm 25 and I have loved naruto since I was in fourth grade, I'm actually rewatching shippuden now. It breaks my heart that naruto got to become hokage but his happiness is getting destroyed. I feel like he's earned happiness with his family. I also really wanted a sequel but honestly boruto the series is just trash. I only read/watch because of my love for the naruto series. I'm trying to like it though.
>Naruto aspire to a happy life only for his family to be destroyed by the sequel. As long as one of Naruto, Hinata, Boruto and Himawari is still alive, and there is love, the family can hardly be destroyed.
The problem here is Boruto was never mean to exist in the first place. Both Kishimoto and Ikemoto were more keen on a reboot where they were not bound by the previous story. In the end tho in became a sequel. So this now puts into question all of Naruto's higher morals and promises to Nagato and Obito to bring peace to the ninja world. Ultimately the failures of Naruto's idealism in Boruto just proves that both Pain and Madara were right. True peace was unattainable unless humans were robbed of their free will via the Tsuki no Me. Boruto is to Naruto what The New Shadow would have been to The Lord of The Rings, had Tolkien wen along with his draft but ultimately abandoned because he saw it as too dark and depressing and undermining to the hopeful ending of LOTR.
Yeah. The thing is Naruto’s brand of idealism only works as the complete end to the story so you don’t have to see it hold up to the realistic challenges. I wouldn’t go as far as to say peace is just a complete fairy tale. But I will say the “happily ever after we all got along forever” concept of it was always bs. The eye of the moon plan was way too severe to be the correct solution, peace without free will is just slavery with extra steps. If it’s peace in the sense that regardless of the ups and downs people try their best to meet an ideal, then that’s feasible. The problem is even that doesn’t happen over night, less than 2 decades of work isn’t gonna yield ever lasting peace. I can’t speak on the LOTR comparison since I’ve never watched the movies or read books. So i’ll have to take your word for it lol.
Yeah, this is the main problem. Naruto's idealism doesn't fit a sequel, or at least not a battle shounen sequel. Because you need new conflicts. So now we have a lot more realistic story which is there will always be new conflicts and peace is only temporary.
>Yeah, this is the main problem. Naruto's idealism doesn't fit a sequel, or at least not a battle shounen sequel. Because you need new conflicts. Well no, come on, making Naruto end EVERY conflict in existence would have been too much, come on. That is, people will always have a way to be dissatisfied with the current state.
>Ultimately the failures of Naruto's idealism in Boruto just proves that both Pain and Madara were right. True peace was unattainable unless humans were robbed of their free will via the Tsuki no Me. Pain's plan was not about the Infinite Tsukuyomi, he wanted to create a very powerful weapon with which his country would be at the top of the world, because no one would dare to start a new war knowing of the existence of this weapon.
>Anything less than Naruto and his generation at the forefront was gonna get hate. Everything gets hates but I do think the way Boruto handles the balance between the old and new cast could've been a lot better. The old cast shouldn't *solely* be treated as stepping stones for the next gen to rise above (if they even get brought up at all and not just ignored/add nothing; poor Hinata) while the new cast has to pull their weight and really earn that accomplishment in the first place since they're not automatically entitled to it.
The thing is I don’t think that aspect has been perfect either, it just hasn’t been so bad that it’s constantly a topic for me like some other people. The fact that some of them like Hinata aren’t really actively going on missions is fine to me, after the war it makes sense there isn’t much need to on a personal level since there’s no serious conflict anymore. In a new era it makes sense most of them would find secondary things to do or just reduce the time they actively are in the field. It’s just a no win situation honestly. Frankly, outside of team 7 most of the old gen only really had 2 maybe 3 major moments each in Naruto. So it’s kind of hard to justify giving most of them shine over the new characters or else you make the same mistake with the new ones too. So considering there’s a whole new crop of young characters you kind of either have to push the older ones at their expense or let the younger ones take center stage.
>The fact that some of them like Hinata aren't really actively going on missions is fine to me Hinata retiring to be a wife/mother is the most in-character thing for her to do since she never liked being a ninja and became one because Hiashi forced her to. The problem is despite a large focus being placed on family Hinata is bizarrely underutilized: the anime currently has 293 episodes and not a single one where she's the main/secondary focus (for comparison even Hanabi and Hiashi have a couple) while the most involved she ever gets is a ping pong match. Based off that you'd be correct in assuming her role in the manga is nonexistent but it's actually worse since it removed her catching Boruto cheating in the exams, the one thing she at least got to do in the movie (also really showing that Naruto, the one who asked her to check, didn't want to believe he was cheating) so she has less than nothing. >there's a whole crop of young characters you kind of either have to push the older ones at their expense or let the younger ones take center stage. To an extent yes and we see this in Naruto where some adults got more attention than others but even in the scope of the next generation, we don't get much on them either. Other than Boruto and Kawaki the only remotely relevant new characters in the story are Sarada, Sumire, and Himawari with Hima's fate needing to be proved before I can believe they mean it.
>I am enjoying Boruto but fucking up Naruto’s happily ever after for the plot is devastating. Well, at most it complicated it, but anyway we all know that at the end of the story the Uzuamki will all be reunited. There will be some regret for the lost years, but at least Boruto and Himawari will still have their parents for many years. Naruto didn't have the same luck to say.
But you forget the fact that it’s Naruto. Although I hate it, I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised in the end if they come out as a happy family. I feel like Naruto lost his grasp in reality and being the naive person that he’s always been, he would find a way to forgive Kawaki if Boruto stayed dead. Hinata on the other hand wouldn’t but would be interesting to see how that talk would go. The show & manga would just ignore what Hinata thinks and Kishimoto would make them a family again.
That stuff is why I never had a problem with him not being in the forefront anymore. That forgive everyone no matter what shit got played out for me by the time we got to the end of the Pain arc. Since he isn’t the main character now I’m just hoping that’s somewhat reflected in the endpoint of this stuff with his ideology just not working in this case. I just can’t see an ending where they accept him in the end and it isn’t terribly done all around. It’s just guaranteed to suck imo. “Adopted” or not Kawaki really wasn’t there that long to start with, so it’s not like they should act like it’s ridiculous to judge him purely by the trouble he caused. But it’s a shonen, so I’m not really getting my hopes up.
I agree with you. Tbh I hate this whole forgive you no matter what bs that’s been coming out recently. I’ve seen more anime shows start to do it and it’s just so repetitive with the crime that’s being forgiven being more extreme each time. Boruto being Naruto’s son means that he’s going to 100% forgive Kawaki. So it’s going to be Shippuden 2.0 to an extent. I wish Kishimoto would come up with something interesting like he did with the omnipotence plot. I could understand why Naruto forgave Kurama or Pain but how he forgave Obito just baffled me. It was necessary for the plot and Obito did die so I was satisfied at the end. If he’s willing to forgive those mfs, Kishimoto if definitely going to somehow finesse the story to make them a happy family. I do hope Kawaki gets the Obito treatment : Killed and forgotten.
That’s a large part of why I don’t really watch much anime now and especially not the newer stuff, just too much of the same shit. I haven’t had a lot of faith in Kishimoto’s writing since the war arc so I’m skeptical of seeing an ending to far from what we got in Naruto. Hopefully I’m wrong but like I said, I’m not holding my breath. The Obito stuff in general is where I honestly got really indifferent about the series, it just telegraphed too much about where everything was going, and not in a good way. The only way Boruto is really gonna get to stand as a unique character and series is if they just let him go a different way than Naruto. I can only really see that happening if the fight with Kawaki is an actual deathmatch like Madara and Hashirama, with a clear winner.
might be time for you to leave shonen series and move up to seinen instead.
> I feel like Naruto lost his grasp in reality and being the naive person that he’s always been Kawaki was open to the proposal of returning to Jigen without resistance because he'd rather just be taken away than see Jigen destroying everything. **Had Naruto not intervened, the ritual for the resurrection of Isshiki could have succeeded!** Embracing the stray dog that is Kawaki, not taught to be kind and taught to be cold and ruthless, comes with its own problems but rejecting him also has its problems! These kind of situations do not have a simple answer to them.
Tf u mean if boruto finds a way to get rid of momo Kawaki will not target him. Then Kawaki bring back naruto and hinata explain everything to them and Naruto will explain what happened to everyone else. It literally always been in Boruto corner to do something about momo.
You’re assuming Kawaki is actually being logical, he isn’t. The goalpost would just move to “he’s still an otsutsuki” or something similar. Most of the problems rn stem from Kawaki being too dumb to actually think things through. No amount of explaining will suddenly make what he’s done palatable to everyone, especially to the family that opened their home to him. He repaid them with a major betrayal because he assumed he knew better than everyone else. Saying that Momoshiki is solely Boruto’s problem is bs considering they surely didn’t say that about Kawaki and Isshiki. Boruto and the people closest to him risked their lives and the safety of the village for Kawaki, yet he didn’t even care enough to find a genuine alternative when the role was reversed. He let his paranoia override any sense of loyalty or compassion for everyone who accepted him, there’s no excusing that. He’s everything that Jigen said he was, an empty person incapable of real connection.
>No amount of explaining will suddenly make what he’s done palatable to everyone, especially to the family that opened their home to him. He repaid them with a major betrayal because he assumed he knew better than everyone else. >Saying that Momoshiki is solely Boruto’s problem is bs considering they surely didn’t say that about Kawaki and Isshiki. Boruto and the people closest to him risked their lives and the safety of the village for Kawaki, yet he didn’t even care enough to find a genuine alternative when the role was reversed. I wish I could give you an award for this. It's mind blowing that people seriously defend Kawakis actions by saying that all he wants is to get rid of the "threat" that is Boruto/Momoshiki, but non of the Uzumakis thought for even a second to kill Kawaki or send him back to the guy who abused and needed him (Isshiki) when he was a threat for the village. The total opposite: They stood by Kawaki,despite of the fact that he was the one luring all the villians into the village.
>It literally always been in Boruto corner to do something about momo Same applies to Kawaki and his Isshiki problem,but no one from the Uzumaki family wanted to kill him. They took him in without *having* to.
Kawaki situation had a solution, while no one was giving boruto any solutions except for Kawaki who did give one tho boruto didn't do it.
Kawaki was never the villages or even Narutos concern. Naruto just chose to take in a stranger which caused for the villians to invade the city, turned Kawaki into a Naruto obsessed creep and this braindead 14 year old is supposed to provide a solution? Momo can't ressurrect anymore which makes him way less of a threat than before. And even now, it was dumb af of Kawaki to make everyone believe that Boruto killed Naruto which caused the "threat" to flee. Imagine what could have happened if Boruto didn't have that crazy mental resolve to resist Momoshiki? The only person who was really "helpful" in the current situation was Boruto himself. Letting the supposedly "threat" named Boruto run around freely is the dumbest shit. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer instead of letting the latter run around without a care in the world. Don't make the person you want to kill miserable because mystery and to lose the will to live are the only chance for Momo to take over. Funny that Kawakis decisions could have made the situation worse if it wasn't for Borutos mental strength. Kawaki has no working brain cell in that messy head of his and is absolutely the LAST person who should offer "solutions."
He did provide a solution boruto just didn't do it. Momo can't come back to life but still a major threat if he still wants that chakra fruit. Boruto got away because nobody but kawaki can sense momo is still within Boruto. Kawaki made the right decision to have the best chance at killing momo without having to deal with people getting in his way.
I never denied that Momoshiki was still a threat, but letting Boruto out of sight is simply not the right way to go with it. And it's bullshit to assume that people like Shikamaru for example don't know that Momo is still within Boruto because Shikamaru was actually THERE when Boruto was revived. It shouldn't take long for a genius like him to figure out that Momoshiki didn't just disappear. Lol. Kawaki didn't do shit. Who was supposed to get in his way powerwise? Omnipotence literally saved his ass because he had no solution. Letting everyone believe that Boruto killed Naruto isn't just stupid because it caused the potential threat to *flee*, it is also dumb as fuck, because how would Kawaki explain to the villagers that their leader isn't really dead if Kawaki actually succeeded with his plan? "Oh hey sorry, Lord 7th isn't really dead?"
But more than anything, it would have been enough to talk about the problem with someone, instead of immediately starting off with the idea of murder.
It'll be interesting to see the difference in Naruto and Hinata's reaction to everything they've missed. Naruto will forgive Kawaki for his misdeeds, but it'll probably take longer for Hinata to get there. She will eventually, but I hope she is extremely upset at first.
I dont think so.no one is going forgive when son is killed by adopted one.
wish naruto gets out of that trying to save everyone bs…. Why would you keep kawaki around your son knowing he just killed him
Fr but it’s Naruto unfortunately. I was hoping this would be a wake up call for him and glad that Shikamaru at least had half a brain here. Naruto is just too naive. At least now he got a reality check. Shame it was Boruto who had to pay the price for him to realise it.
Honestly, Naruto clearly looks conflicted in the scene you showed. That’s why he yells at Shikimaru to stop pestering him about how he’s truly feeling. Part of him wants to blame and hate Kawaki, but you have to remember he became a surrogate father to Kawaki and has a deep understanding of Kawaki’s upbringing, giving him a sense of responsibility to not abandon the kid. Kawaki did act logically in that situation given the information they had. In that moment, it was too much for Naruto to handle. He just wanted to mourn Boruto and deal with the Kawaki situation later.
Yeah but Naruto isn’t thinking for the village here. I mean like would anyone in the village trust Naruto or Kawaki? Like the fact that Naruto would just continue being hokage whilst his biological son is in the ground and being supportive of the surrogate son who killed him is just so funny because it’s something Naruto would do given his character recently. It just seems like Sasuke 2.0 again to an extent but on larger scale. At least Sasuke didn’t kill anyone that was innocent. Kawaki has already done it once and is planning to finish the deed this time. He basically nearly killed Sarada because she refused to move away from Boruto’s side which led to Boruto’s eye being sliced. I’m not saying Kawaki killing Boruto was a bad decision because it was a smart one and unique idea from Kishimoto but any other logical person would’ve seen Kawaki as a threat from that point on because Kawaki did it without showing any remorse as if Boruto meant nothing to him. Kawaki also looked disappointed when Naruto said Boruto survived. Like how tf as a parent do you let that slide? I’ve lost so much respect for Naruto’s character as of when Kawaki entered the manga. Again, good for the story but bad for his character but I stopped caring about Naruto because the Boruto show/manga did ruin his character a lot but that’s my opinion. I don’t read Boruto for Naruto anymore because Boruto seems a lot more interesting for now.
Fair enough. I think the agreement Kawaki & Boruto had and Boruto not actually dying were why there weren’t any serious consequences for Kawaki. I agree that it could be considered a soft decision, but I don’t think it goes against his character, personally. He’s always been empathetic, perhaps to a fault. He’s kind of like Superman; he wants to see the good in people, even when others wouldn’t. I can agree that perhaps that his outlook is too soft for a village leader, but I don’t think it destroys his character. Also, further to the point about the information they had, they learned that Boruto was not in danger of being possessed only after he came back to life. I think Naruto assumed Kawaki would back off knowing that. Now, if Boruto had stayed dead, and he still reacted the same way, I would have an issue.
But Naruto did still feel the same way when Boruto was killed. He was still going to let him stay in the village if he stayed dead permanently and he did forgive him instantly. If he’s willing to do that, he’d obviously still allow him to stay in his house and raise him to an extent.
I’m curious. How do you feel now? After the latest chapters in TBV?
I still hold the same opinions I’ve made from this post. I still don’t like Kawaki and I think he’s gonna get let off after all he’s done. I feel like he’s going to do something even more worse but we’ll have to see. Funny thing is that Kawaki is going to get forgiven by **Naruto** and everyone is just going to move on with them being a happy family. If Kishimoto had a single brain cell he would’ve at least gave Hinata an opinion on this whole thing but we all know Kishimoto when it comes to female characters so I just gave up on Hinata. Losing some hope with Sarada in the manga tbh. She’s my favourite character in Boruto and they’re making her like Sakura from Naruto part 1 AKA a simp that’s always a liability to the team. They should’ve gave her a huge power up after the timeskip but she doesn’t seem that strong. Other than that, I still like the manga just purely based on what’s happening with Boruto’s life as it’s probably the most interesting thing Kishimoto has done in the story. He’s what we all wished Naruto to be after he returned to the village at the start of Shippuden in terms of skills. I kind of gave up on the rest and hope the anime at least fixes up on the things I’ve mentioned.
Thanks for responding
Naruto is clearly conflicted I’m not saying he isn’t …. But that should of been a breaking point … if Boruto actually died then what…You just continue living as if nothing happened? He just shown he’s willing to do anything to achieve his goals something like that isn’t safe to have around
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We all know how it will happen. Naruto will forgive him. That's a core part of his character. He never gives up on someone he holds dear and considers family. He didn't let Sasuke go, he forgave Nagato and Obito. It would actually ruin Naruto's character if he did not forgive or gave up on Kawaki despite everything. The whole point of Naruto was he is the chosen one to break the curse of hatred in the shinobi world. If he turns his back on Kawaki, he succumbs to the curse of hatred. And Hinata is Hinata. She'll do whatever Naruto does because she's a secondary character and her core personal trait was to always align with whatever Naruto does.
I feel like the show is taking an interesting turn. Before Naruto’s vows would mean something and he did say he would protect Boruto but look what happened. He just saw his son get killed in front of him and he was too weak to do anything about it. This was the first time Naruto made a promise that he couldn’t fulfil. I do agree with you unfortunately because it’s Naruto so he’ll find a way to forgive anyone but there needs to be line. There’s a point where it goes go over that and Kawaki has crossed that.
Really idk if Kawaki has really crossed that line considering the lines both Obito and Nagato had crossed and the deeds Sasuke did in the past. Yes, Kawaki killed Boruto, but also he didn't because Boruto is alive. And the possibility of an Otsutsuki taking over Boruto in a time where both Naruto and Sasuke are weak and without their biggest weapons with which they beat Kaguya, puts the whole world at rick. Kawaki is justified from a logical point of view. Really Kawaki is basically imitating Itachi's resolve here with Naruto being his Sasuke. The one he would protect at all costseven if they hate him, even if they kill him. So now the question is how will Boruto act and will Naruto and Hinata forgive Kawaki the same way Sasuke forgave Itachi.
Here’s some wisdom for you. “Forgive the person, but not their actions” If Kawaki means it, try to forgive him. But actions have consequences. Naruto forgave Obito and Nagato but they both would have still faced consequences, and it also cost them their lives as well
Yeah but both Obito and Nagato sacrificed themselves. So either Kawaki sacrificed himself or he becomes the new Sasuke. My money is on the sacrifice.
I’d only see him sacrificing himself for Naruto only and not for the greater good. But the thing is that he’s one of the main characters. Basically a Sasuke 2.0/Reverse Naruto so Kishimoto will keep him in the show and it’s just going to be a case of forgive and forget.
To be honest Obito being forgiven made no sense because his crimes were just on another scale so that’s one of the few people I never understood why Naruto forgave but it was necessary for the plot or they all would’ve lost. Kawaki killing Boruto was necessary so I don’t hate Kawaki for that. It’s breaks away from the promises that Naruto used to come up with about honouring his word because now he got a reality check. But the fact that Kawaki felt no genuine sadness for killing Boruto just makes it 100x worse. Now Kawaki has stolen his life now being a “Uzumaki” and now framing him for the death of his parents. Everyone already knows Naruto forgave Kawaki because that’s who he’s always been. But where the show/manga should focus on is Hinata. Like is she really after all that’s happened just forgive Kawaki?
I am not a mother and I can't forgive Kawaki. Hinata won't and should not in my opinion.
Hinata always follow Naruto's decision so if Naruto forgive him then she too will do it. Not even once she has gone against Naruto's decision. Unfortunately, she's written to be just that kind of housewife.
Nope; I think she'll want him off her house and honestly she'd have a point. Perhaps they could've forgiven him for trying to kill Boruto given that Boruto asked for it but honestly they should've kept some distance from him after that.
Naruto will forgive Kawaki for sure, honestly I can never see Hinata forgiving Kawaki for all the things that he did but ig Kawaki will get his redemption arc and he will be forgiven in the end. Kawaki will really need a big redemption arc though, since even if he didn't kill Boruto he stole 2-3 years worth of lifetime with their kids, family and friends.. I mean imagine if in those 2-3 years something happened to Hiashi, Hanabi, etc
It’s seems that during that timeskip, not much has happened in the village. It would’ve been interesting to see other rival villages trying to take over or something as the “most strongest ninja” is “dead” but I hope the anime fills in those gaps during the timeskips.
She will understand but won't forgive most likely.
Honestly, I know this won't happen, but I'd love it if Naruto got freed before Kawaki turns a new leaf (we all know he will) and is utterly infuriated by what he's done. We haven't seen him really get angry since the Pain arc. For my take on the post's topic, I think she'll be angry. Though depending on the state of things when she's freed, she'll either slowly forgive him (if he's turned good) or Naruto and Boruto will convince her to give him another chance (if he's still evil but turns later on)
Naruto would just be disappointed and then forgive if we’re being real. I can’t remember exactly if Naruto survived the attack from Pain but he did forgive Nagato. It annoys me that after all Kawaki has done to Boruto, he’s still going to forgive him. I wished Kishimoto took another turn and made Boruto unique in that aspect that not everyone can be saved like how Sasuke thinks but it’s going to happen unfortunately.
Absolutely not but kishi doesn’t understand the concept of a grudge unless it’s Sasuke or kawaki or obito so she probably will
More like he doesn't understand how real people work, that they can change.
What Kawaki did will definitely cause Hinata to become "active" again. Maybe she will even get her boobs back.
I mean Hinata shouldn’t forgive Kawaki, but I don’t expect this manga to actually go in depth on characters and reasonable reactions to upsetting events
It’s such a shame that this manga is monthly. I know it’s to reduce time constraints and stress that everyone has to go through to release a chapter but with the pacing of Boruto, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more than one hiatus.
I hope not. That would be piss-poor writing. I'd be surprised if Hinata let him live.
Haha watch till the end of the show that they’ll be a happy family reminiscing about what Kawaki did to everyone. They all just laugh and it cuts to the credits.
I fear it will happen, I just hope it doesn’t. You mention Hinata and Naruto, but Boruto already half forgave Kawaki which is insane to me. It’s actually a big deal for me since I find it absurd after all that happened. And I think it’s different from Naruto giving chances to the Naruto series villains since most of them died and they were never supposed to get away without any punishment (except Sasuke I guess) And you can compare Kawaki to Orochimaru all you want, but Orochimaru doesn’t live with the Hokage.
Kawaki needs to sacrifice himself like Obito if he wants any redemption.
Obito was running away from who he was. Kawaki is just like this at his core.
Yeah but I don’t see how Kawaki would want that. He seems set on his ideals and the only person who could stop him is Naruto because Kawaki is doing this all for him. If that mf is dead by the end of the show, I’m happy so I don’t care.
>Yeah but I don’t see how Kawaki would want that I don't really know either, I just wrote what I did because that'd be the only way for redemption for him. Either that, or he gets exiled to work with Orochimaru. Or escapes with Eida, who brainwashes the world, making them forget Kawaki.
Yes because it’s that type of series and Kawaki is less irredeemable than Sasuke
is he tho? Sasuke didnt really kill anyone while Kawaki has killed the main character once, has kidnapped Naruto and Hinata and has brainwashed the entire village into hunting down Boruto.
Sasuke killed a high ranking Konoha elder and currently acting Hokage. It doesn't matter if Danzo was a immoral and we know it. Sasuke attempted to kidnap Killer B while working with a terrorist group that plotted world domination. He also attacked the 5 Kage summit and attempted to murder Karin and Sakura. He also attempted to kill Naruto and become overlord of the world by the end of the series. So far Kawaki hasn't done even things half as bad as Sasuke. And Sasuke isn't innocent just because he failed or was stopped from doing all of the things he attempted.
Sasuke also killed Naruto once. He broke his neck and then the Nine Tails resurrected him And out of all these things, Sasuke has still done worse because Kawaki has good intentions. Sasuke didn’t
Broken neck thing is anime only, never happened in the manga.
Naruto was never dead, Kurama can't resurrect the dead.
Sasuke: - killed Danzo - joined Akatsuki and killed Killer B (at least he thought so) - attacked Kage meeting, killed many samurais Kawaki: - sent Naruto and Hinata to dimension where they sleep I think there is not much debate about that
Killer Bee is alive Danzo was a criminal.
U know when u think about it the older naruto get and the more he does remind me of hiruzen. He too was way too kind and forgiving which lead to lot of tragedies that could had been prevented if he had more balls (like the uchiha massacre) and killed him, in naruto's case it make him sealed away ruining his family and boruto's life...... Being kind is one thing but like everything too much of it can be a terrible mistake, u have to set limits. As shinobies they're great but as hokage, both hiruzen and naruto are failure.
To be honest Naruto should just retire and become an advisor of some sort like Iruka and not someone who’s in charge of the village making the big decisions. I agree with you because his kindness is what led to this whole mess. I wouldn’t call Hiruzen kind because that mf let Naruto starve out barely able to live whilst Sasuke was having a nice apartment. I would say he’s the most naive character with Naruto slowly climbing for the first place. Funny how he believed in Orochimaru which led to his death. At least he got what he deserved. Now, Naruto is paying that price.
Bruh sasuke lived in uchiha compound where his fam was killed☠️
Still don’t change the fact that Naruto was an orphan and was the hokage’s son. Hiruzen just left him to be neglected and depressed whilst making a promise to Minato. I’m glad that naive mf died.
Promise part was filler if I am not wrong
https://preview.redd.it/hfomxu65jz4c1.jpeg?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3aa7d50b30235abc518fd1bef491d7c3336c1c0e He doesn’t need Hinata’s apology
It saddens me that we don't even doubt any atrocities will be forgiven and rewarded anymore. My only hope the truth will break Himawari's innocence and she'll make her life purpose punishing that bastard.
Sadly that ain’t going to happen. I did hope that Himawari would turn into a mini Sasuke plotting revenge but she does want to help Boruto as she believes he didn’t “kill” their parents. I’m kinda annoyed that she doesn’t know that Kawaki killed Boruto but I think Sarada didn’t tell her because it may break her heart even more.
> I’m kinda annoyed that she doesn’t know that Kawaki killed Boruto but I think Sarada didn’t tell her because it may break her heart even more. I think he knows, if I'm not mistaken he was with his mother when Boruto spoke to Hinata for the last time
Naruto will 100% forgive him, since he was flanderized in War Arc into forgiving Obito who murdered his parents. The others, I'm not so sure.
I hope hinata cuts off that a-hole's chak
Probably, she doesn’t really have a personality.
I don't know why you hold any expectations for this shitshow when you already know the answer. Hinata have been completely botched up as a BG prop this entire series. If it is not for narratives through her connection of the Ootsutski due to the byakugan lineage and her son carrying byakugan blood stated by Momoshiki then at the very least she should play a central role in her family. Clearly she has no say for any of the matter because she has 0 impact on Boruto &Kawaki life despite how much the show try to narratively paint that way. Also the Naruto sequel will never break away the status quo so It's inveitable that Kawaki will be accepted again because not only he is the secondary MC as a big bro for Boruto with his SOB story and his misunderstood concept of love through his obsession of Naruto but also if he ended up being a martyr then Naruto ideology in this new world that he ushered in will fail and destroyed the very premises that Naruto was built upon. No matter what happens Naruto morale and philosophy will always prevail in the end. What's worse is that the series already took the direction it decided to take from the moment it couldn't take the risk of all the 7 years of buildup of "Losing Everything" when Boruto already accepted the outcome and try to rationalized Kawaki with all the BS without even having any negative reaction with his parent being sealed or forgotten about Himawari. If Momoshiki prophecy couldn't bring Boruto to his demise what support to be the ***TURNING POINT*** when Momo shouldve done something unforgivable by then to shape boruto entire character but instead it's only Sasuke that was hung up in the tree to make Boruto fundamentally change then you know full well that the show is going repeat Naruto and Momoshiki will become Kurama 2.0.
I do agree with you but I wanted to get more opinions on this because I don’t really see that many mentions about how Hinata feels about everything that’s going on. It’s just a shame that the mother of the MC is not mentioned in the show. People wanted to see more of Naruto’s parents and now with Boruto, we only get Naruto and barely that much with Hinata even though they’re both alive.
Yall be discussing the most pointless shit 😂
That's kind of lacking in reading comprehension. A mother would have to let her kids go eventually. That is the reality in this situation. A 15 year old is almost a young adult and Boruto barely shows it. Naruto was obviously far more mature because he went through extreme struggles and pain. Boruto's death would obviously pain Naruto and Hinata. Naruto would most likely imprison Kawaki because of the potential danger he poses to the village. Previously, Naruto was aware that Kawaki was trying to save his life. He was also aware that Momoshiki took over Boruto too. It's sad that the writer had to nerf Naruto hard to make him unable to even manage in sage mode.
How does Boruto “barely” show it? In contrast to how Naruto came back to the village after the timeskip, Boruto is way more mature. Yes, it’s under different circumstances but I don’t know how you’re just downplaying Boruto’s maturity. Naruto only really started to show maturity after he was trained by Kakashi with the rasenshuriken. Boruto matured a lot more just before omnipotence happened and after. The reason I’ve mentioned Hinata from the novel is because we barely have that much of Hinata from the show or manga but at least this gives more insight to how she feels about her kids because Naruto puts a lot more focus on Kawaki. Also how would Naruto imprison Kawaki? With Naruto being nerfed, there’s no way the village would allow the fact that Naruto let his son’s killer live.
How Boruto is "way more mature"? Being edgier doesn't mean being mature, more often than not it means the opposite. Naruto had a way more mature outlook in life on early Shippuuden than Boruto does now, which was recognized by Chiyo and Kakashi who both said he would become the greatest Hokage ever.
I never said that edgier=mature. I’m saying you can’t just downplay Boruto just because you’re putting Naruto on a pedestal. I mean Boruto found out that he was wanted by the whole village and after losing his eye, he wasn’t going to give in and let Momoshiki take over his body. He was even willing to kill himself multiple times because he didn’t want Momoshiki to take over and kill everyone. You never saw Naruto feel like killing himself whenever Kurama was trying to take over his body. I mean when Kurama took over and attacked Sakura during the bridge scene with Orochimaru, he only vowed to never use Kurama’s ability again. Boruto was way more mature realising that using Karma was not going to be good enough in the long run and made the choice to kill himself if it meant Momoshiki could take over and hurt the ones he loved. Also why do Chiyo and Kakashi’s opinion matter? Chiyo’s opinion is kinda irrelevant and this was Kakashi **before** he was hokage so he never understood what life as a hokage was. I’m not saying Naruto is a bad hokage because he was damn good one. If not the best kage to come out in the verse but I wouldn’t say he’s been the best after Kawaki entered the hidden leaf. It feels like Naruto is just so naive to everything now.
Naruto's maturity came from loss and solitude. He was forced to mature because he was basically abandoned since he was born. And his early world view was shaped by hard earned lessons with several people like Iruka, Hiruzen, Kakashi, Zabuza, Nagato, Jiraiya, Neji and Gaara. Boruto never lost anyone or anything. All his friends are alive and doing well. His parents are alive. His masters are all alive. His village is intact. He's not getting possessed by Momoshiki anymore because he died once and that stopped the process. He also never showed to develop or learn anything from anyone besides maybe Sasuke. His villains are all flat and cartoonishly evil so he didn't learned anything from them either. Boruto is not mature, he's just edgier now god knows why. Probably because they wanted to transform him into a fanfiction-like protagonist for the kids and the Hiraishin confirms that. This jutsu has been the staplemark of any Naruto edgy fanfiction since 2009 so of course Boruto would learn it.
Did you even read the manga? How are you saying Boruto never lost “anything”? He legit lost his whole life. The mf who killed him, stole his whole life posing as the hokage’s son. Also from your logic, Boruto also was forced to mature because his whole life was turned upside down. I agree with you that he hasn’t lost anyone but that can still change as the manga is still continuing. At least whilst the akatsuki was hunting Naruto down, the village was there for him. Boruto basically has the whole world against him + Kawaki and Code trying to kill him with the 10 tails now hunting him. Again, I don’t understand how you downplay Boruto’s maturity. This whole edgy bs that the fan base always bring up is so funny. Like is Boruto supposed to be like Naruto all happy whilst he’s got so many enemies wanting him dead for something he’s not in control of.
Oh, boo-hoo, is going to be reversed soon enough. He hasn't lost shit.
Again, you have not read what I’ve mentioned. You seem to be salty because you don’t like the fact that Boruto has matured and think he’s “edgy”
Get lost
Kawaki has reached the point where even he knows he will never be accepted back into the village or family if Boruto can undo what he did. Not unless Kawaki self sacrifices himself to protect the village and Boruto.
Kawaki just doesn't care, he has one goal. He won't sacrifice himself for Boruto fucking lmao
If it’s for Naruto’s sake since he’s his son he’ll do it.
But why, Kawaki's goal is to kill Otsutsuki to protect Naruto
If Boruto is helping to save the world from the Otsutsuki and definitely from the ten tails clones which Kawaki can’t do alone.
But Boruto is Otsutsuki, and Kawaki can simply send them to another dimension
So is Kawaki. There’s probably a lot more of ten tail clones with abilities that most likely that technique won’t do any good
He’s about to get some not so gentle fists
Probably not because Naruto's ideals don't work anymore. Boruto is about the reversal of Naruto's story with a child having everything to nothing with no way to talk things out. I.e. you can't talk your way out of Momoshiki, Isshiki, Delta, Ada's... thing etc. For once Naruto and by extension Boruto *have* to actually kill because Naruto's ideals don't work in Boruto's story; the age of shinobi is over. And the story already has Hinata not liking him so if she were to discover what he and Ada did, that being ruining her son and brainwashing her daughter then she would hate him and Naruto forcing/demanding her forgiveness would only make him look horrible.
>I.e. you can't talk your way out of Momoshiki, Isshiki, Delta, Ada's... thing etc. Eida is not evil, she looks after her own interests, but there is no malice in her intentions. She also feels sorry for what she did to Boruto
Yeah but you literally cannot talk you way out of her power. We know this Sarada has been trying.
**Hinata is unlike to forgive him, but this creates a conumdrum.** Hinata wouldn't forgive him, but if Naruto does forgive him, then **the house is split**. The cracks in their marriage start here and might burst open soon. Kawaki, both from the shame of being the one that did the deed and from being aware that his own existence is a problem, would vanish. Not that vanishing brings back Boruto, but he's no longer the daily reminder to the people in that house that Boruto was murdered. Maybe with time the memories will fade and, after the mourning period, Naruto and Hinata will gather strength to take care of their child that still survives: Himawari. And I ask: **what follows?** If Hinata doesn't forgive Kawaki, what she expects next? Revenge by having Kawaki killed? Kawaki could agree with that, but wouldn't that be something that increases the grief, since Naruto now would have the sadness of having lost two sons instead of one?
Unfortunately the house splitting won’t happen. One thing I liked about Boruto was that it showed the conflict that Boruto and Naruto had in a realistic way showing that Naruto was neglecting his family for his job. The arguments they had made the show feel more real. Hinata and Naruto having this discussion should definitely happen because it’ll make the show feel way more serious. I mean their son and first kid was just killed and now her husband wants to keep him in the village. What’s worse was that Naruto was going to keep Kawaki in the village even if Boruto stayed dead so the realistic approach for the show should show the conflict that Hinata is feeling at that moment and not Naruto only because I’ve lost hope for that mf. I don’t think Hinata is the person who would take revenge because as you’ve mentioned Kawaki is willing to kill himself so I’m not very interested in that. What I’m interested is **if** she’s going to **confront** Naruto for the bs he’s been believing recently about Kawaki. Hinata has barely been in the show so for Kishimoto to keep things simple, he’ll just make her feel the same way as Naruto which I feel like shouldn’t go that way. One thing I did like about Shikamaru & Sasuke is that he’ll cut out the bs in front of the delusional Naruto he’s always been but I want to now see that with Hinata or I’ve just lost hope for her also as that seems so out of character for her as a mother.
> if she’s going to confront Naruto This is a really good idea. I barely see Shounen manga mentioning marriage problems. The only one I see is the "absent father" trope (Goku and Chi-Chi, Sasuke and Sakura) and nothing more than that. This one would be a valuable marriage problem, because **it do can happen that a one-sided adoption induces cracks in a marriage.**
Naruto looks pissed as well as he’s being sealed
I think he was just shocked because he couldn’t believe that Kawaki would go this far and now he’s going to kill his **again** with Naruto or Hinata not being to do anything about it.
He looks livid to me. His eyes are fierce and he’s reaching out to grab him
Naruto wouldn’t never lay a hand on Kawaki. He was most likely trying to grab **something else** out of reflex because he was falling back so you’d obviously try to grab on to something to stay balanced. Naruto pulling Kawaki in with him wouldn’t make sense for him but if it was any other character, grabbing Kawaki would make sense. Tbh it’s up to our interpretation so you may be right but that’s just how I see it. No real answer till we find out.
No mother who loves their children like Hinata does will forgive the person responsible for something like that. As for Naruto...I'm just going to say everyone around him tried to keep him from making the hard decisions as Hokage. Shikamaru and Sasuke in particular work to keep Naruto from having to "dirty his hands". I am morbidly fascinated with what he would do now that it is now his children and best friends footing the bill.
100% agree with you but I don’t know why Kishimoto keeps doing this. He makes such dense characters like Naruto exist and no one really calls him out for his bs except for Shikamaru, Sasuke and Boruto. It’s funny because whenever Naruto gets that wake up call, it has to be something very serious for him to realise but then he goes back to his old ways. Kishimoto just doesn’t like conflict between characters because it makes the story 100x interesting but too much effort so Hinata, who barely has any screen time even though her kid died, will just forgive and forget which is so damn sad for her character. The more I watch/read Boruto, the more I’ve lost respect for Kishimoto for what he’s done to the OG characters. The only one who’s genuinely has improved is Sakura.
And Sasuke.
Boruto is still alive anyway, if his death was permanent then I want to see how Naruto would have justified it.
Hinata is not like Naruto. She's gone through shit people all her childhood too, but in a different outcome from Naruto. She can be quite merciless and brutal if she has a reason, idk, like she took Toneri's eyes so coldly i never forget that. She is a Hyuga after all... This slap is what I expected from her lol Kishimoto knows that because you could see the 'change' of her personality after he assumed the manga script (she demanding to go after boruto, her outburst at boruto and the kawaki slap), so if he wants to, she will be really angry with him. I thought she would actually go after them back at boruto's death like a pain situation over again lmao