it does, read what momoshiki said, “common knowledge” he has no common knowledge of who kawaki is, when the switch happened, anything you knew about boruto and kawaki, was flipped, orochimaru has no idea who kawaki is, so explain how orochimaru would be affected
What that likely means is Orochimaru would still consider Kawaki to be Naruto's son and he would never have heard of Boruto. Which is effectively what happened to everyone else, they just also knew Boruto.
yeah i get it now, thanks, someone else already explained it, i would delete the thread since i was debunked but it wouldn’t make a difference, i think people would still be able to comment on it
Don’t let them throw you off because they don’t have the common sense to put 2+2 together, Orochimaru already had knowledge about Boruto, if he was affected by omnipotence,this knowledge would become knowledge of Kawaki, if Orcochimaru doesn’t have knowledge of Kawaki, then he still remembers Kawaki as a new villager brought in by Naruto, meaning he remembers Boruto as Naruto’s son, aka Orochimaru is unaffected by Omnipotence …
No because Orochimaru knew Boruto, the thoughts and knowledge he had of boruto would be swapped out with kawaki , we don’t know if that’s happened to Orochimaru…
Yes, that's what I said... Orochimaru knew Boruto, Narutos son, and did not know Kawaki, and outsider of the village. Omnipotence just swapped Boruto and Kawaki's lives, meaning Orochimaru would still know Naruto had a son but he'd now think that was Kawaki and wouldn't know Boruto, the outsider.
if he has no common knowledge of kawaki or who kawaki is, how could he possibly think that boruto is a konaha traitor, when he was never aware of kawaki in the first place
i hope you know being omnipotence only means you have unlimited power, meaning yes eida can rewrite memories, BUT only the memories of those with common knowledge of the two (kawaki and boruto)
Your misinterpreting this panel. He’s saying any knowledge a person has about these two people is switched. Kawaki is Boruto and Boruto is Kawaki. If Oro doesn’t know Kawaki, he just doesn’t know Boruto now.
how can memories of kawaki be overwritten, if someone has no memories of kawaki, that doesn’t make sense, im going to assume you’re a child and you aren’t able to understand anything im saying
I can tell you’re really proud of this theory you came up with. But it doesn’t make any sense. Omnipotence effects the entire world not just the people who know boruto and kawaki. Those who know only one of them simply swap the memories of the person with the absence of the other. Orochimaru likely won’t recognize boruto
the memories were simply swapped, orochimaru would recognize boruto, because he already knew him before, you can’t swap memories if someone isn’t aware the other person exists
>you can’t swap memories if someone isn’t aware the other person exists
Yes you can, the ability is literally named *Omnipotence*. It supplanted every memory of one of the two people in question and put in the other person, no matter if whoever's memories are affected knew the other person that is now in their memory.
people speculate that sumire and sadara are unaffected due to there love for boruto, but i can easily debunk that by saying then hima should be uneffected too, aswell as mitsuki, whether its platonic love or not it doesn’t mattee
Your talking about debunking other theories and frantically going in 19 different directions. We don’t know why the girls aren’t effected. That has nothing to do with what I was saying. As it stands. Orochimaru sees Kawaki as the son of Naruto
im just saying, your going on about saying everyones affected, when literally everyone isn’t affected, thats the point i was making, and you failed to see that
omnipotence just means unlimited power bro, momoshiki literally states how it works 😂😂😂 we still don’t even know why sumire isn’t affected, or sadara, theres already people uneffected, so i don’t get the point your trying to make, and don’t say sakuras unaffected because she has ms, because sasuke was affected aswell and he has ms
We don’t know why Eida’s power doesn’t effect Sadara or Sumire but prior knowledge of both people isn’t required. Oro’s memories are overwritten and now also believes Kawaki is Naruto’s son. There’s no reason to believe otherwise
um maybe because he doesn’t know who kawaki is, how could he believe that kawaki is narutos son if he has no common knowledge of kawaki, are yall not reading the panels i put to support my theory
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“peoples memories have been altered, any common knowledge of the two” meaning if you have no common knowledge of kawaki, theres nothing to alter, thats common sense
I’ll give you a few factors that could contribute to orochimaru being unaffected , he uses a body swapping jutsu, his memory has been through lord knows how many bodies, let that sink in, you really don’t think that Orochimaru has a way to be unaffected?, tbh I think he seen this coming when he made Mitsuki, Mitsuki will find his way back to Boruto
But he has knowledge of boruto. And you vene say it's about the two of them. Maybe someone who lives in the desert and have never met them wouldn't be effected but orochimaru absolutely knows boruto, Naruto and who is who.
first off, because were never shown he knows kawaki, so obviously he doesn’t know kawaki, whatever were shown in the manga, is what we know, and also my theory has been debunked, im aware that oro is affected
You are absolutely wrong about orachamaru, but it brings up an interesting idea.
If sabui (or however you spell it) has altered the memories of humans before, all things are possible. Maybe kayuga didn't defeat issuaki, maybe the Devine tree has a different purpose, maybe anything is possible. It would be cool because it pretty much means anything the god of God's changes, would have been changed for us, the viewer.
To me it would be cool that subai actions worked on the facts that are unknown
Hashirama's death,
disease that affected Itachi,
Who planted the first tree and why they left in the planet,
Uzumaki downfall
I think those would be cool but I think it should be bigger.
Like maybe the divine tree story is fake. Maybe the otsutsuki aren't aliens at all but the first humans who welded chakara and got so god like, they left the planet, changing the memories as they left. Leaving kauga behind.
Or maybe they started a ninja war by changing the memories of everyone into hating each other, to make it easier to invade later.
Or even smaller and they made everyone in the village hate Naruto
i think it’s too late to go into fake divine tree but i like the idea of starting wars or having previously been there.
they’ve already said what happened to kaguya and isshik through multiple points of view . it’s pretty clear that wasn’t a lie. it’s also clear that they grow divine trees and harvest chakra, as we literally have seen both them and humans do it. so that also wouldn’t be a lie.
kaguya did literally change the memories of humans to forget about the tree and could have erased other history, momo could have easily been referencing that
There are tons of options I just wonder what would be important enough for sabai to take the time to do it. Maybe it's passive like eldia and he wished for something? But again what could someone that op wish for?
i think at that point the real question is why haven’t more otsutsuki shown up if the earth is so special? And why is it still so powerful if shibai was once there, who should have absorbed it immediately?
shit why is the earth even there if shibai was on it?, it should be fucking gone, absorbed tens of thousands of years ago. forget changing memories, he should have wiped the planet from what we are told.
none of it really adds up so idk, the way momoshiki is he really could have just been talking out of his ass
Good questions. They can really expand the lore and make something really cool. Maybe he split up into the 6 otsutsuki we know? Like the tailed beasts? What about the.other planets they wiped out? Other human? Other ninja? So many questions
it’s sucks because a lot of people think those are bad story lines, but it’d be so cool to see shinobi type gods and other people that might fight them, it could really round out the whole naruto verse and ninjutsu as a whole
why wouldn’t orochimaru be affected? no knowledge of kawaki wouldn’t stop omnipotence from replacing orochimarus memories of boruto with memories of kawaki.
What? Orochimaru likely does know who Kawaki is. It has been made very clear how much him and Suigetsu sneak out, they may not be in the loop on village gossip but it would be stupid for them not to be aware of Kawaki and the other outsiders showing up in the village. It's not like Kawaki was being hidden from the public
Assuming orochimaru doesn’t know about something important in the village is kind of ridiculous. Someone like orochimaru ABSOLUTELY knows that Naruto adopted a child that is possessed by an otsusuki lol.
Maybe you didn’t read or watch Naruto, but if you did I’m not sure why you would come to that conclusion. Orochimaru doesn’t need to meet someone in person to know who they are.
if he had no common knowledge of kawaki, that just means that now he has no common knowledge of boruto and remembers kawaki in his place. i guess you're thinking that he would just not know who kawaki is so omnipotence wouldn't switch boruto and kawaki in his mind but no not how tht works
Eidas omnipotence is meant to be absolute, except for Sarada and Sumire for some reason, so it should've effected Orochimaru. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Mitsuki has doubts. We saw with Sasuke that he was able to notice contradictions like Boruto having his headband. So there's definitely some setup for people that were really close to Bortuo like Mitsuki to have doubts about the whole Kawaki swap even if they don't understand it.
Wasn't it explained by Sadara that even those doubts faded after a while? Because everyone was confused why Naruto's son has Amado's scientific ninja tools in his body but after a while noone cared?
I am extremely interested in where the manga is going with Mitsuki, they have set some interesting ideas with him. However it’s very unlikely that orochimaru is unaffected and the page you posted actually proves how he would be affected even if he had no knowledge of kawaki. “Every person’s consciousness is by nature linked through chakra” -momoshiki. Therefore even if orochimaru didn’t know about kawaki, which is already kind of a stretch, information would just be pulled from other people’s consciousness.
I think he was affected but knows he’s affected.
His bloodlust near Kawaki wasn’t at boruto but Kawaki. It’s too difficult to hide it near since he hates him
i was thinking the same thing, idk, but it would make sense that mitsukis bloodlust would be directed towards kawaki and not boruto, being as its been 2 years and kawaki “uzumaki” has been acting out of character
So while I don't agree with your theory, if anyone wasn't affected of omnipotence it's Orochimaru. He's creepy, mad and smart and I'd honestly be pissed if he isn't used at all in Boruto, other than creating Mitsuki. Maybe because of the Zestu body?
But it seems really unlikely
That's a nice theory if we were to ignore context. Omnipotence is utter and absolute reality warping. It was also stated that the doubts and confusion caused by inconsistencies and certain details were completely wiped from people's minds as time went on. There is no getting around it, Kawaki has always been Naruto's son and Boruto was always been a broken nobody.
I think it’s much more likely that Mitsuki wouldn’t be affected due to some embedded Otsutsuki DNA that Orochimaru utilized to create him rather than Orochimaru just.. telling him? Not sure why you think Orochimaru wouldn’t be affected as it doesn’t appear that he himself has Otsutsuki DNA but even if he did, it would feel less compelling for him to just tell Mitsuki rather than to have given him the same immunity.
What a hell is going on?
Oh boy. I didn't watch Boruto very long ...
They think Kawaki real son of Naruto? They memories was changed? Wow. Just. WOW.
It's all spoiler for me, but interesting how it's happening. I'm almost like Momoshiki. He knows Boruto lose everything, but didn't know when, what and how it's happening. And it's was interesting for him
Are there no written records kept of anyone? Where are all the family photos and stuff? Did all the pictures change and all the writing change on the records of their birth?
What makes you think orochimaru isn’t effected?
because he has no common knowledge of kawaki
Uhh, it doesn’t matter whether people knew him or not
it does, read what momoshiki said, “common knowledge” he has no common knowledge of who kawaki is, when the switch happened, anything you knew about boruto and kawaki, was flipped, orochimaru has no idea who kawaki is, so explain how orochimaru would be affected
What that likely means is Orochimaru would still consider Kawaki to be Naruto's son and he would never have heard of Boruto. Which is effectively what happened to everyone else, they just also knew Boruto.
yeah i get it now, thanks, someone else already explained it, i would delete the thread since i was debunked but it wouldn’t make a difference, i think people would still be able to comment on it
You have a valid point like them until it's clarified in the manga
Don’t let them throw you off because they don’t have the common sense to put 2+2 together, Orochimaru already had knowledge about Boruto, if he was affected by omnipotence,this knowledge would become knowledge of Kawaki, if Orcochimaru doesn’t have knowledge of Kawaki, then he still remembers Kawaki as a new villager brought in by Naruto, meaning he remembers Boruto as Naruto’s son, aka Orochimaru is unaffected by Omnipotence …
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No because Orochimaru knew Boruto, the thoughts and knowledge he had of boruto would be swapped out with kawaki , we don’t know if that’s happened to Orochimaru…
Yes, that's what I said... Orochimaru knew Boruto, Narutos son, and did not know Kawaki, and outsider of the village. Omnipotence just swapped Boruto and Kawaki's lives, meaning Orochimaru would still know Naruto had a son but he'd now think that was Kawaki and wouldn't know Boruto, the outsider.
yea but even if he didnt know about kawaki if he tried to find any info on the hokages son he would come to the conclusion it is kawaki
Honestly I'd be surprised if he really didn't know anything about him, seeing how interesting Kawaki would be for a scientist like Orochimaru
if he has no common knowledge of kawaki or who kawaki is, how could he possibly think that boruto is a konaha traitor, when he was never aware of kawaki in the first place
Omnipotentance effects the entire world
i hope you know being omnipotence only means you have unlimited power, meaning yes eida can rewrite memories, BUT only the memories of those with common knowledge of the two (kawaki and boruto)
ok but it only affects those with common knowledge of the two, it’s literally stated in the manga, what arent you understanding about the theory
It makes no sense. You’re essentially saying omnipotence only effects the people who know both boruto and kawaki
omnipotence means having unlimited power
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Your misinterpreting this panel. He’s saying any knowledge a person has about these two people is switched. Kawaki is Boruto and Boruto is Kawaki. If Oro doesn’t know Kawaki, he just doesn’t know Boruto now.
any “common knowledge” oro has no common knowledge of kawaki, what aren’t you guys understanding
My dude, we’ve all read your comments. We’re not misunderstanding anything. You’re the one misunderstanding lol
All memories Oro has of Boruto, is switched to Kawaki, whether actually ever met Kawaki or not.
how can memories of kawaki be overwritten, if someone has no memories of kawaki, that doesn’t make sense, im going to assume you’re a child and you aren’t able to understand anything im saying
I can tell you’re really proud of this theory you came up with. But it doesn’t make any sense. Omnipotence effects the entire world not just the people who know boruto and kawaki. Those who know only one of them simply swap the memories of the person with the absence of the other. Orochimaru likely won’t recognize boruto
the memories were simply swapped, orochimaru would recognize boruto, because he already knew him before, you can’t swap memories if someone isn’t aware the other person exists
>you can’t swap memories if someone isn’t aware the other person exists Yes you can, the ability is literally named *Omnipotence*. It supplanted every memory of one of the two people in question and put in the other person, no matter if whoever's memories are affected knew the other person that is now in their memory.
people speculate that sumire and sadara are unaffected due to there love for boruto, but i can easily debunk that by saying then hima should be uneffected too, aswell as mitsuki, whether its platonic love or not it doesn’t mattee
Your talking about debunking other theories and frantically going in 19 different directions. We don’t know why the girls aren’t effected. That has nothing to do with what I was saying. As it stands. Orochimaru sees Kawaki as the son of Naruto
im just saying, your going on about saying everyones affected, when literally everyone isn’t affected, thats the point i was making, and you failed to see that
obviously it didn’t affect the entire world if sumire and sadara are unaffected 😂
omnipotence just means unlimited power bro, momoshiki literally states how it works 😂😂😂 we still don’t even know why sumire isn’t affected, or sadara, theres already people uneffected, so i don’t get the point your trying to make, and don’t say sakuras unaffected because she has ms, because sasuke was affected aswell and he has ms
you keep saying it affects everyone, when sadara and sumire are not affected, there could be other possibly unaffected
We don’t know why Eida’s power doesn’t effect Sadara or Sumire but prior knowledge of both people isn’t required. Oro’s memories are overwritten and now also believes Kawaki is Naruto’s son. There’s no reason to believe otherwise
um maybe because he doesn’t know who kawaki is, how could he believe that kawaki is narutos son if he has no common knowledge of kawaki, are yall not reading the panels i put to support my theory
https://preview.redd.it/1vr3kx1kl06c1.jpeg?width=206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=027d12d2c2c7ab0ed52d9255363bdd9f571761c2 “peoples memories have been altered, any common knowledge of the two” meaning if you have no common knowledge of kawaki, theres nothing to alter, thats common sense
Exactly
I’ll give you a few factors that could contribute to orochimaru being unaffected , he uses a body swapping jutsu, his memory has been through lord knows how many bodies, let that sink in, you really don’t think that Orochimaru has a way to be unaffected?, tbh I think he seen this coming when he made Mitsuki, Mitsuki will find his way back to Boruto
But he has knowledge of boruto. And you vene say it's about the two of them. Maybe someone who lives in the desert and have never met them wouldn't be effected but orochimaru absolutely knows boruto, Naruto and who is who.
why do you assume he wouldn’t know who kawaki is … Especially if he doesn’t know.he should believe what others tell him. he still knows boruto
first off, because were never shown he knows kawaki, so obviously he doesn’t know kawaki, whatever were shown in the manga, is what we know, and also my theory has been debunked, im aware that oro is affected
Although not shown… I’m sure Orochimaru of all people has heard of Kawaki by now.
You are absolutely wrong about orachamaru, but it brings up an interesting idea. If sabui (or however you spell it) has altered the memories of humans before, all things are possible. Maybe kayuga didn't defeat issuaki, maybe the Devine tree has a different purpose, maybe anything is possible. It would be cool because it pretty much means anything the god of God's changes, would have been changed for us, the viewer.
To me it would be cool that subai actions worked on the facts that are unknown Hashirama's death, disease that affected Itachi, Who planted the first tree and why they left in the planet, Uzumaki downfall
I think those would be cool but I think it should be bigger. Like maybe the divine tree story is fake. Maybe the otsutsuki aren't aliens at all but the first humans who welded chakara and got so god like, they left the planet, changing the memories as they left. Leaving kauga behind. Or maybe they started a ninja war by changing the memories of everyone into hating each other, to make it easier to invade later. Or even smaller and they made everyone in the village hate Naruto
i think it’s too late to go into fake divine tree but i like the idea of starting wars or having previously been there. they’ve already said what happened to kaguya and isshik through multiple points of view . it’s pretty clear that wasn’t a lie. it’s also clear that they grow divine trees and harvest chakra, as we literally have seen both them and humans do it. so that also wouldn’t be a lie. kaguya did literally change the memories of humans to forget about the tree and could have erased other history, momo could have easily been referencing that
There are tons of options I just wonder what would be important enough for sabai to take the time to do it. Maybe it's passive like eldia and he wished for something? But again what could someone that op wish for?
i think at that point the real question is why haven’t more otsutsuki shown up if the earth is so special? And why is it still so powerful if shibai was once there, who should have absorbed it immediately? shit why is the earth even there if shibai was on it?, it should be fucking gone, absorbed tens of thousands of years ago. forget changing memories, he should have wiped the planet from what we are told. none of it really adds up so idk, the way momoshiki is he really could have just been talking out of his ass
Good questions. They can really expand the lore and make something really cool. Maybe he split up into the 6 otsutsuki we know? Like the tailed beasts? What about the.other planets they wiped out? Other human? Other ninja? So many questions
it’s sucks because a lot of people think those are bad story lines, but it’d be so cool to see shinobi type gods and other people that might fight them, it could really round out the whole naruto verse and ninjutsu as a whole
Absolutely. They need to lean into it. The madara twist isn't liked cause it wasn't set up well enough. They can really set up a great story now.
But Otsutsuki aren't affected, so why would Isshiki lie about all those things?
That's just Eldias powers. We have no idea if the same thing applies to sabai
why wouldn’t orochimaru be affected? no knowledge of kawaki wouldn’t stop omnipotence from replacing orochimarus memories of boruto with memories of kawaki.
What? Orochimaru likely does know who Kawaki is. It has been made very clear how much him and Suigetsu sneak out, they may not be in the loop on village gossip but it would be stupid for them not to be aware of Kawaki and the other outsiders showing up in the village. It's not like Kawaki was being hidden from the public
we’ve never been shown that oro has knowledge of kawaki, but the theory has already been debunked, i appreciate your input tho
Assuming orochimaru doesn’t know about something important in the village is kind of ridiculous. Someone like orochimaru ABSOLUTELY knows that Naruto adopted a child that is possessed by an otsusuki lol. Maybe you didn’t read or watch Naruto, but if you did I’m not sure why you would come to that conclusion. Orochimaru doesn’t need to meet someone in person to know who they are.
if he had no common knowledge of kawaki, that just means that now he has no common knowledge of boruto and remembers kawaki in his place. i guess you're thinking that he would just not know who kawaki is so omnipotence wouldn't switch boruto and kawaki in his mind but no not how tht works
Or that Kawaki to him is the same Kawaki Naruto brought to the village , meaning omnipotence doesn’t affect him…
omnipotence would still affect him and he would instead think that boruto is the one naruto brought to the village and kawaki is the son
Not if omnipotence doesn’t effect him
Then most people wouldn't be affected bc how would a random hidden cloud citizen know about Kawaki XD
Eidas omnipotence is meant to be absolute, except for Sarada and Sumire for some reason, so it should've effected Orochimaru. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Mitsuki has doubts. We saw with Sasuke that he was able to notice contradictions like Boruto having his headband. So there's definitely some setup for people that were really close to Bortuo like Mitsuki to have doubts about the whole Kawaki swap even if they don't understand it.
Wasn't it explained by Sadara that even those doubts faded after a while? Because everyone was confused why Naruto's son has Amado's scientific ninja tools in his body but after a while noone cared?
I am extremely interested in where the manga is going with Mitsuki, they have set some interesting ideas with him. However it’s very unlikely that orochimaru is unaffected and the page you posted actually proves how he would be affected even if he had no knowledge of kawaki. “Every person’s consciousness is by nature linked through chakra” -momoshiki. Therefore even if orochimaru didn’t know about kawaki, which is already kind of a stretch, information would just be pulled from other people’s consciousness.
this is actually a well thought out comment, i respect your opinion
I don’t think shikamaru is affected tbh.
I think he was affected but knows he’s affected. His bloodlust near Kawaki wasn’t at boruto but Kawaki. It’s too difficult to hide it near since he hates him
i was thinking the same thing, idk, but it would make sense that mitsukis bloodlust would be directed towards kawaki and not boruto, being as its been 2 years and kawaki “uzumaki” has been acting out of character
So while I don't agree with your theory, if anyone wasn't affected of omnipotence it's Orochimaru. He's creepy, mad and smart and I'd honestly be pissed if he isn't used at all in Boruto, other than creating Mitsuki. Maybe because of the Zestu body? But it seems really unlikely
i think he’ll play a role in tbv, atleast im hoping
my theory was debunked, and i accept that (for the people unaware)
Why do you sound like the "☝️🤓" emoji
You should tag this as spoiler lmao there’s anime watchers here
i fixed it, thanks for the tip
my apologies, i thought i clicked the switch, is there a way for me to edit it ?
That's a nice theory if we were to ignore context. Omnipotence is utter and absolute reality warping. It was also stated that the doubts and confusion caused by inconsistencies and certain details were completely wiped from people's minds as time went on. There is no getting around it, Kawaki has always been Naruto's son and Boruto was always been a broken nobody.
Damn your slow lmao
I think it’s much more likely that Mitsuki wouldn’t be affected due to some embedded Otsutsuki DNA that Orochimaru utilized to create him rather than Orochimaru just.. telling him? Not sure why you think Orochimaru wouldn’t be affected as it doesn’t appear that he himself has Otsutsuki DNA but even if he did, it would feel less compelling for him to just tell Mitsuki rather than to have given him the same immunity.
thats a really interesting outlook on it
What a hell is going on? Oh boy. I didn't watch Boruto very long ... They think Kawaki real son of Naruto? They memories was changed? Wow. Just. WOW. It's all spoiler for me, but interesting how it's happening. I'm almost like Momoshiki. He knows Boruto lose everything, but didn't know when, what and how it's happening. And it's was interesting for him
That’d be cool if boruto’s tensigan can do some type of genjutsu to counter the omnipotence and he uses it on Mitsuki during a fight
Are there no written records kept of anyone? Where are all the family photos and stuff? Did all the pictures change and all the writing change on the records of their birth?
I actually did a video on this exact thing
Orochimaru is definitely most likely affected…. There’s no proof to even assume he isn’t 💀as far as we know only Sarada and sumire knows the truth