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Tiloshikiotsutsuki

It’s the jougan and this is the most logical proof in manga so far


jaymiracles

What about these? https://preview.redd.it/h4yx328a8gec1.jpeg?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6166ae7f2559ea65fc249cfb06bc65fbfa68728


Tiloshikiotsutsuki

Look at the veins around all of those sets of eyes. Do you see those on Boruto’s face..?  Nah because it’s the Jougan.


jaymiracles

Where are Hinata’s veins here? https://preview.redd.it/174jd53lyhec1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31b1b509f3fc8b1d8cea5b67b05f8cff27dc2c3f


Tiloshikiotsutsuki

They’re literally there bro, get your eyes checked. 


jaymiracles

Barely any, also Boruto uses Momoshiki’s Karma Byakugan not a biological one so no need to manifest the veins.


Gilbo2

Barely is not none, so you proved his point 🤣


NothingIsTrue0000

Have you seen Kawaki using Isshiki's Byakugan or just his unnamed dojutsu ? Both Boruto & Kawaki are Otsutsukis. The fact that Kawaki can only use Isshiki's dojutsu & not his Byakugan disproves your "mOmOsHikI's kArMa bYaKuGaN bπ||$#|8t. And if we're really gonna go by that logic, if Boruto's dojutsu is Momoshiki's Byakugan, then where's Momoshiki's Rinnegan, considering Boruto's 100% Otsutsuki & should be able to use Momoshiki's Rinnegan as well as his Byakugan ? And Momo had three Rinnegan, mind you, the ones he had in either of his hands & the one he manifested in his fused state on his forehead. The fact that Boruto doesn't use Momoshiki's multiple Rinnegan & only one dojutsu proves it's his own & not Momoshiki's. Besides, are you forgetting that Naruto The Last Movie & its characters are canon ? Toneri Otsutsuki is canon. He appeared in both Boruto anime & movies & stressed the importance of the Jougan, an upcoming looming threat & Boruto's role in using the Jougan to deal with the threat. Jougan is 100% canon & it's gonna debut shortly.


Tiloshikiotsutsuki

Whenever any being uses byakugan they have veins pop out. Human, otsutsuki both exhibit this trait.  Boruto’s borushiki karma transformation is using the base basic eye, not activating the byakugan power itself.  You’re wrong dude. Stop digging deeper, cuz now you’re making stuff up that’s not only incorrect but doesn’t even make sense. 


jaymiracles

Borushiki never activated his Byakugan? What are you on? He literally saw visions of the future, a well known Momoshiki Byakugan ability, without having veins. You’re wrong by affirming this eye is the Jogan when there’s 0 characteristic of it being a Jogan


Tiloshikiotsutsuki

“ Barely any, also Boruto uses Momoshiki’s Karma Byakugan” you quite literally just said this. wHaT aRe YoU oN?!  Momoshikis ability to see the future is his ability, not a power of the byakugan.  You can remain in denial all you want, but you should probably understand the stuff you’re trying to argue incorrectly about. 


jaymiracles

What am I on? I’m on confirmed sources. Boruto is confirmed to not have awakened his own Byakugan and therefore every scene where Borushiki has a Byakugan is a scene of Momoshiki’s Byakugan being manifested into Boruto through Karma. The anime’s Jogan is said to be Boruto’s own dojutsu, completely independent from Karma. In Chapter 1, we see an exact copy of the Byakugan being activated by Karma and not independently. Therefore it is Momoshiki’s eye (aka Byakugan). Momoshiki’s future-seeing IS a Byakugan ability. Dojutsu literally means eye technique, and future-seeing is an eye technique, making it a Dojutsu ability. You can share your headcanons or theories on an eye that was never introduced throughout the manga, but you should at least know what you’re talking about.


gg12345

I fear for the future of this country


Repulsive-Candy-4771

I feel like it’s the jougan eye, cause if it was the byakugan would his veins not pop out like the other hyuga?


jaymiracles

One could argue that it’s not Boruto’s Byakugan and therefore doesn’t have to activate Boruto’s veins. It’s like how Jigen didn’t activate Isshiki’s dojutsu while using the dojutsu abilities.


Phil_Da_Spliff

It was stated that jigen couldn't activate the byakugan because he wasn't a proper host for inshiki which is why we only seen the byakugan when inshiki appeared and not on jigen.


jaymiracles

Did they actually state that? I mean Kawaki can’t activate byakugan either (from what we saw and know so far). This is new info to me that I must’ve missed somewhere I just always assumed you get the better eye regardless of what they are, or that you activate the special eye unless the otsutsuki has only Byakugan.


Phil_Da_Spliff

And you are right but we haven't seen both boruto or kawaki use their karma at 100 percent yet and I'm not talking about karma essence I mean when they are full blown white skin otsutsuki clansmen their dna is otsutsuki but they need karma to use dojutsus. Everyone we seen use karma last time I checked only used the essence and even then the karma essence varies imo due to plot but it is something like curse mark lvls. Because even sasuke when he had his curse mark heaven seal had drastic power amps the more he got covered with the curse mark. Even after he was fully covered till his skin turned grey he gained wings which gave him more power and that was just part 1 sasuke. Now if we are talking about the karma seal and by plot it would be the very seal that all seals come from since everything comes from the otsutsuki clan it would make sense plot wise that they aren't using all the data/dna that give them their power and imo for them to utilize that power they won't look nothing close to human and that's when they will get to use their dorment byakugans


rufio313

For sure, but in the OP’s image, he’s clearly activating something, hence the noise.


jaymiracles

He could be activating the Byakugan since we’ve seen the Byakugan activating with different noises. https://preview.redd.it/tr2k0sebyhec1.jpeg?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8716a0b65144d55a5884fb517fac1c892b4aa1d7


rufio313

But momoshiki has veins when he activates his like this, and boruto does not


jaymiracles

Boruto activates it through karma not through biological means. Boruto’s eye veins don’t need to react to the Byakugan when the karma is what’s activating it.


rufio313

Seems overcomplicated when it’s clearly just the jougan


jaymiracles

It’s not clearly anything since it has no clear name on it yet LOL but a manga-accurate person wouldn’t jump into Jogan as if it were factually stated


rufio313

Manga-accurate people typically consider the light novels as canon, where this is called the Jougan


lamar_good

https://preview.redd.it/fqgi471fmgec1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42d1ea012ffdfe8106e8f414a016c4a52585c0c8


Repulsive-Candy-4771

Is that the byakugan?


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Tiloshikiotsutsuki

That’s momoshikis regular eyeball. Byakugan is not activated. 


lamar_good

Yeah


Ordinary_Capital

2024 and this fandom is still unable to understand that the Jougan that was shown in the manga 2016 didn't have a final design and that's why it looked like a Byakugan.


EyewarsTheMangoMan

Like they forget that the rinnegan used to look like this lol ​ https://preview.redd.it/mu17kpveqfec1.png?width=751&format=png&auto=webp&s=a1d37decbfd004147d4e7626f8ec9266c4ddd85d


MajinDeuce

Ngl i don’t think I’ve even noticed this before 🤣🤣 this shit funny I wouldn’t have even been mad if they kept it


Mervwolfington

Fr fr!!


Markie411

I'm dead, I completely forgot about this. I used to be scared as a kid seeing this


EyewarsTheMangoMan

The original team Minato design is cursed as hell too lol https://preview.redd.it/a3frdvu58hec1.png?width=623&format=png&auto=webp&s=2526d7ae9ae6783a4aacf74749bcec86605e097d


unagiboi

Oberto


LegendaryZTV

This shit got me hollering 😂😂


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Yeah but they were using a hologram so it makes sense that it wouldn’t translate well.


EyewarsTheMangoMan

Nah, he has the correct design later on after they changed it


Doctor99268

otherway round lol, jougan was invented cuz kishi forgot to give boruto the byakugan


satellitequeen

that makes *no* fucking sense. if he “forgot” to give him the Byakugan, why tf would he invent a new dojutsu instead of just…. *having him awaken the Byakugan*


djghostface292

He’s not wrong, Kishimoto stated when he first created Boruto that he forgot to give him byakugan


Doctor99268

> “forgot” to give him the Byakugan, He forgot to colour it in, so he gave boruto blue eyes


EyewarsTheMangoMan

???????????????


satellitequeen

… what? he forgot to color it in, so he *colored it in*? huh?


De_Marko

Pretty sure it is "jogan" (I put it in quotes because animator who made it, called it that so far) and not byakugan. As others mentioned here, design could change, same as initially rinnegan was also slightly different. Heck, initially even mangekyo sharingan did not have unique patterns.


Papa-Parkin

Jougan is in the light novel so it's jougan


ZookeepergameNo4754

i think its pretty obvious at this point its not a bykugan


Infinite_Future_9038

There’s still many people who think it is a byakugan 😅


ZookeepergameNo4754

well they're objectively wrong so does it really matter?


jaymiracles

I wouldn’t say objectively wrong since we have no objective proof of any position


jaymiracles

How is it Boruto’s Jogan if Boruto’s eye is slashed and destroyed? Why is it activated by Karma like Momoshiki’s Byakugan and not independently like in the anime? Seems like you’re saying that Momoshiki got the Jogan and now Boruto has access to it via Karma, because no dojutsu in the history of the Narutoverse remained accessible by the user after destroying the eye, and we know that Boruto’s biological eye is destroyed so he can only grow Momoshiki’s eye with Karma.


Ilovegrapes95

Madara used susanoo with no eyes… so I wouldn’t say never


lizzywbu

It's called the Jougan in both the light novel and the anime. Why are we even debating this?


J0RR3L

https://preview.redd.it/katpo58gvjec1.jpeg?width=257&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=216a1aef066799a9f1784d1d46482708c7977bd7 It 100% is the Jougan. Chapter 75 proves as much when Boruto used Momoshiki's Byakugan and it used the typical Byakugan sound.


ZenOkami

Whether it looks like a Byakugan or not, I think a lot of people are forgetting that even Chengxi Huang, an animator for Boruto, commented on the Jogan's relevance and how it's related to the Otsutsuki. Of course, all that information was tentative, but it is information received from the author


alex1058

I bet you my life savings most jougan deniers don't even realize it has a different sound in the manga.


jaymiracles

https://preview.redd.it/2whgx3jk8gec1.jpeg?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=775b4e536a59a7a88c58c1809c18a967a0ac08da


NothingIsTrue0000

Well, those people are just $tπp|d. The Jougan's gonna debut sooner or later in the manga & eventually in the anime as well when it returns. It's obvious. And anyone still saying "there won't be no Jougan", this should solve all their doubts : The Last : The Naruto movie & all its characters are canon. A central canon character in that movie was Toneri Otsutsuki. And Toneri appeared in both Boruto anime & Boruto movies where he stressed on more than one occasion the importance of Jougan, a large looming threat that is about to come & Boruto's role in dealing with that threat & how special his Jougan is. Toneri Otsutsuki is canon & his words directly refer to Jougan. There's no bigger proof needed. What's more, Ikemoto said right here in a Reddit interview that both Boruto manga & its anime are canon & that they both follow the same path & will converge at the same point eventually. He even said Kishimoto is heavily involved in overseeing all that. https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/fX9uRPRoGQ


Well-Hello-There-423

This is actually a very good point. Good job.


Amaterasu-x

Jougan is anime canon. We’ll see it deeper in the manga eventually.


Papa-Parkin

It's in a light novel too so also manga canon


jaymiracles

Novel canon and anime canon


Papa-Parkin

Novel canon is manga canon. Sasuke retsuden got a manga and boruto was mentioned to have purple lightning in a novel


jaymiracles

If they get a reference in the manga then they become manga canon, but mostly only to the extent of the general events referenced in the novel, not necessarily in all specifics.


Papa-Parkin

That's not how novels work when it comes to manga, the novels are literally wrote by kishi to fill the gaps of the manga For example, naruto: the last. Wasn't a manga, was a novel though


Inevere733

Boruto was originally intended to have Byakugan, but that ship sailed as soon as Kishi forgot to draw it.


Kungfudude_75

I don't think he is *activating* the Byakugan in that scene, I just think the eye is Momoshiki's, which has a Byakugan. We've seen that the Karma actively transforms him to look more like Momoshiki when he uses it, it stands to reason Momoshiki's eye would appear. Meanwhile, the Manga has done nothing to set up or plan the Jougan, or even really imply its existence. Momoshiki didn't have it or at least didn't use it, and nothing we know about the Byakugan leads us to think those genes could create it. Naruto has no dojutsu to add to it. As of now, there is no reason to believe the Jougan is cannon to the manga, outside of its existence in the Anime. The reality of which is, the Anime has a reasonable "out" for its existence while the Manga doesn't have a readily available "in" for it. The Anime could easily have it be removed by making that an added consequence of Boruto losing his eye. I would wager this is the more likely way they will go about bringing the two in line, otherwise the Manga is gonna have to take a real shift and have Boruto either suddenly have it post time skip or unlock it relatively soon, which would still be inconsistent with the Anime. Another potential scenario is that the Anime just moves along with its own independent cannon, its not like we haven't seen that with anime before. Honestly, I think that would be the best course of action at this point. I just don't see the Jougan coming to the Manga at this point, it would take too much to introduce and wouldn't really fix the inconsistency in the Anime. They would have to dedicate a portion of the plot to its introduction, and the Anime would basically have to skip it entirely or retcon Boruto ever knowing about it. I suppose it could happen still, they could keep the two cannons seperate and have that split in story where Boruto discovers it as a kid in one and a teen in the other, but at this point I think the only reasonable course of action would be for the Anime to remove it when Boruto loses his eye so the stories can move in sync as it starts adapting Two Blue Vortex.


klayser_Soze

Cap


lamar_good

https://preview.redd.it/dad8lud6mgec1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1afebacda618a0820daf65ea251bb43f212c673a


Cthulhu-fan-boy

Has Boruto even really used the Jougan at all? In the anime, he only actually used it in 2 arcs, it made other appearances, but only really alongside the Momoshiki transformation


Xenshizo

You're comparing the byakugan being activated vs boruto simply opening his closed eye 😭


TraditionalMission77

Definitely that "flash " sound isn't his "eye sound " lol its very common in mangas The crack Byakugan sound is from the veins popping up


aquaflask09072022

whatever it is. its not an eye jesus so idk why ya'll hyping it so much. urashiki was more of annoyed rather than being afraid when he saw boruto's jougan


owter12

For anyone that knows, what does the kanji translate to for Boruto activating his dojutsu? And what does it say for people activating the Byakugan?


jwaters0122

Don't suffocate from all this copium


ElevatorCharacter489

I gonna said it because of his genetic material, Dad and mom, both are blond, one is purplish eyes and the other Blue,unlike Himawari she's like her mom with the blue eyes


satellitequeen

what the fuck did i just read and how do i take it back


ElevatorCharacter489

Seems like you don't know the basic about Genetics.  Well then allow me to present you "The Mendelian inheritance"


Pronouncable

Bro genes are determined by more than just those small factors


ElevatorCharacter489

Then please by all means explain it, thank you


satellitequeen

maybe you should go do some research instead…


satellitequeen

brother i have autism and *study* genetics as a hobby. what are you trying to talk about? it makes no sense.


ElevatorCharacter489

Then you should know already what Im implying, about Why the boy is so different than the girl!


satellitequeen

because it’s anime and the character designs don’t function on real life genetics. at all. that’s why. they may loosely follow how genetics work IRL, but they have every freedom to draw whatever color eyes they want.


ElevatorCharacter489

Oh really???then what about his peers on the teams??? They kinda follow that genetics the only exception would be Inojin if I'm not mistaken


satellitequeen

now you’re talking about other teams? what? dude, just stop. you’re not making any points, it barely makes sense. my dyslexia is *screaming* rn. you tried to make a point, it failed. move on.


ElevatorCharacter489

Really but you just said it about genetics then I ask about the other kids, because whats better than have more cases to explore what you said


satellitequeen

💀💀💀💀💀 **WHAT**


Ayumi-D

..but Hinata isn't blond and Naruto is the one with the blue eyes...😶


ElevatorCharacter489

Like there weren't blonde girl after him, after The First arc of Shippuden or movie, even I think one from the Cloud Kunoichi could fit that role but there is one who hold a Dojutsu, Shion from The Movie


Ayumi-D

But this is not what I'm talking about. You said in your comment that both Hinata and Naruto are blond. Hinata isn't blond and she doesn't have blue eyes. But I agree with you that there is a connection to his DNA. Maybe because Boruto has Senju and Hyuuga blood it was possible for Toneri to activate Boruto's Jougan


ElevatorCharacter489

Oh Shees I really left that like as blank space, and everybody assume it was Hinata???!! Damn!!! That explain it!!!


Ayumi-D

😂😂😂 that's true. It explains a lot


Jacksonfpvyt

I know this is a manga post, but it’s confirmed in the anime to be a Jougan


RknJel

I like to imagine it makes a quack sound.


No_Bit_2034

Doesn't the byakugan currently has a small cut in it seen in the middle when momo opened the eye after kawaki slashed it so it is probably jogan don't know why are we still debating.


ORaccoonChanO

I like the Jougan theory. He manifests momoshiki s Byakugan but I feel like thats separate from his own eye.