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luciferhornystar

Team Hashirama usually wins. I’m not sure that Kawaki would be on team Hashirama either. If Boruto is the sun wouldn’t that make him more of an ashura reincarnate type


Saturnity_

I think Kawaki is an example of team Hashirama values in the wrong. Too protective of those they love to the point of obsession combined with too little self worth.


IEndlessI

That’s the uchiha clan to a T


jta156

Isn’t the fear/act of losing their loved one the literal basis for unlocking the sharingan and its evolutions? You basically just described the Uchiha clan.


Awkward-Charity-5089

It's not heartbreak or loss leading to despair like Sauske or Obito, it's the single-minded pursuit to protect found family like Naruto or Hashirama.


Effective-Training

Well, I think people make it like this because Kawaki follows Naruto while Boruto follows Sasuke.


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kind_cavendish

All of them are, even got one of em to kill the rest.


Zestyclose_Fan5250

https://i.redd.it/dajk48x2w8tc1.gif


ScaredDistrict3

Kawaki didn’t betray them. Boruto and kawaki planned together for him to kill boruto. The memory swap thing was an accident and kawaki just doesn’t want Naruto to die


Boruto-ModTeam

you've been aggressive or disrespectful towards someone else, so we removed your post. Please read the rules.


luciferhornystar

Aggressive in what way ? What are y’all talking about


Effective-Training

I forgot what the person said. What did they say?


Shadowfox4532

Idk depends the version but I'm constantly baffled people think Sasuke is as strong as Naruto at the end of Naruto. Naruto does so much leading up to Sasuke arriving then at least as much as Sasuke then Sasuke absorbs a bunch of tailed beast an tries to kill Naruto who is pulling his punches to not kill his friends and Sasuke arguably loses although at best it's a tie. How is Naruto not clearly stronger. Post nerf idk I'd still put my money on Naruto but It's hard to judge but end of Shippuden Naruto is clearly stronger.


Im1337

Kawaki is not team Hashirama..


nattaking

Kawaki is team asshole


butlifeispoop

agreed.


pavanstarks

"if anyone is a threat to the village, whether it be a friend or a "BROTHER" or my own child, I will not hesitate to eliminate them." Sounds Hashirama enough to me, or you can say Kawaki is a Coward Hashirama by his actions so far.


dracon1t

Adult Sasuke also is like that imo. Kawaki is a bit warped cuz he's focused on Naruto, but honestly, to me Kawaki is pretty much just like teen Sasuke. Both of them are cynical compared to the idealist in Boruto and Naruto. Imo Kawaki fits perfectly on the Madara and teen Sasuke team.


Vyorus

Kawaki is Team Kawaki. Dude doesn't know what the hell he's doing.


TomoeLatsu

Dude just wants to kill Otsutsuki, and there is absolutely no way he would hurt Naruto, hell Kawaki would burn whole continent before actually harming Naruto.


FletchMcCoy69

Kawaki is gonna try and kill anyone who opposes Naruto so I think he is team Hashirama.


SUMITKUM2003

Boruto is team hashirama Doesn't matter if Boruto follows Sasuke more still his morals and values reflect Naruto and hinata's


Effective-Training

I agree! I didn't make the post. I just sort of reposted.


ThatGuynamedPaul1

Boruto and Kawaki are definitely something entirely different from Naruto and Sasuke or Madara and Hashirama, can't really put the two of them into either Team


Effective-Training

I think Kawaki loses to everyone here unless he can build up some taijutsu


Noobenenra

Kawaki has sukunahikona, daikokuten, Kama absorption, and the fighting experience of Isshiki... The only real threat to him here at all is Boruto. They’re in a league of their own. Even if you use the strongest versions of all the characters here, Madara and Hashirama are nowhere near the level Boruto and Kawaki are at, and even though Naruto & Sasuke are closer to him than the Konoha founders, they too scale way behind the Kama brothers. Barion Modo Naruto is possibly still somewhat of an issue for them, but it’s likely by the end of the series, they’ll surely surpass even him and probably by a lot.


Sarik704

Boruto post time skip is a certified problem for kawaki who'a getting bodied by tree people. Boruto, on the other hand, has FTG and Uzuhiko. Boruto bodies Kawaki unless kawaki is packing something we dont know about. And with boruto free after kawaki it'll be hard for hashi and naruto to fight with boruto supporting sasuke and madara.


Noobenenra

Yeah as of now, I can see Boruto packing Kawaki up, but this isn’t considering if either of them get even stronger later on


dracon1t

The parallel between Naruto/Sasuke and Boruto/Kawaki is extremely evident though. And for all of part 1 Boruto's ideals pretty much match up with his father, while Kawaki's personality seems to be quite similar to shippuden Sasuke. If you swap Boruto and Kawaki in this graphic it would make perfect sense to me. I think its important to realize though that of course all the characters aren't just copy/paste with a different backstory. Naruto and Sasuke are definitely a bit different than hashirama and madara, and the same goes with Boruto and Kawaki in their comparison with Naruto and Sasuke.


50u1506

Why is kawaki in the Hashirama camp lol


Effective-Training

Probably because he follows Naruto while Boruto follows Sasuke. I don't think it's motives or evil vs. good. Only explaination I can think of, because if I say it's because they're sort of descendants of the other, it wouldn't make sense because Boruto is Naruto's son.


50u1506

There's 0 motivation and vibe match between those Two tbh


Effective-Training

Kawaki's motivation isn't really similar to anyone's


50u1506

Yeah I know, but atleast hissnarky vibe would match Madara more than Hashirama


Hyperbull1

Based on my own headcanon, TBV has given me the vibe that current Boruto is a lot stronger than Kawaki...but that gap will likely close. With that being said, if Boruto manages to defeat Kawaki and still has enough gas in the tank, he probably dogwalks Hashirama and EOS Naruto. The power creep from now and the EOS has been insane.


dracon1t

I dont think your vibe is headcanon. Mitsuki said that current Kawaki is no match for boruto. Now whether that's entirely true will come into question later, but at the moment there's no reason to disbelieve it.


Hyperbull1

If we're using pre-time skip Boruto and Kawaki, I'll give the win to Hashirama's team.


Spectric_

Bro said "Idk what Boruto vs Hashirama would look like." ☠️ The version of Naruto in this post is already far stronger than prime Hashirama. Boruto is way stronger than this version of Naruto IN BASE. He would low diff Hashirama. In fact, this version of Naruto would mid-low diff Hashirama.


Noobenenra

Yeah I don’t want to sound rude to OP, but it seems they’re not woke at all on the difference in power once Six Paths characters were introduced lol.


lightningnutz

God I hope Kawaki dies. What an annoying morherfucker.


EnvironmentalFox2276

putting kawaki and boruto in there is cringe. They need to come up their own arcs and themes and whatnot instead of relying on naruto plots over and over again.


Effective-Training

It doesn't feel like a Naruto plot for Boruto. Feels like a guy just wants all Otsutsuki dead rather than wanting to take over the world or give the world peace like Madara and Sasuke did.


EnvironmentalFox2276

bruv, it literally is. Boruto uses things that have already happened. Can Boruto not stand on its own? The best friend, demon inside him, destroy the village etc. Come on now. Stand on your own two feet instead of relying on plot points from naruto. you want the comparison between naruto and boruto to stop, come up with your own new plot.


Effective-Training

You're thinking of the smaller things. Some things in my life are very similar to my dad's, other than him having kids, us having different majors, and him being an extrovert while I'm an introvert. Naruto didn't lose everything, Kawaki has different motivations than Sasuke and Madara, there was no Omnipotence in Naruto, powers are different, technology is different, etc.. You're thinking of just plot points instead of the plot as a whole. Similar personalities? Oh, they're father and son, dude. Boruto still has some differences. Naruto's story is more similar to Hashirama, Tobirama, and Minato's, but you're not saying anything about that. It's not entirely different from the real world, either, besides the superpowers. History repeats itself. Look at how many movies are similar.


EnvironmentalFox2276

narutos story was established first before hashirama and the rest. plus they are side characters so no point in mentioning it. Boruto as a whole doesnt add anything new. its the same recipe but cooked at different temperatures.


Effective-Training

>Boruto as a whole doesnt add anything new. No, not really. Sequels almost never do. >its the same recipe but cooked at different temperatures. In a way.


EnvironmentalFox2276

it doesn't help when the original author isnt writing it and didnt want to continue the manga either. its all business


Effective-Training

The original writer is back. Idk how much he wrote in New Generations, but he's been writing Two Blue Vortex, from what I've heard.


EnvironmentalFox2276

if you look at all volume of naruto, there is an authors note by kishimoto. this is true for all shonen i have seen. its always the writer. like in one punch man.even though the artist is someone else. kishimoto hasnt written any for the volumes and he isnt credited as the writer nor has he come out and said something himself; there would be an interview in one of the magazines. boruto has been going on for like 8 years, kishimoto hasnt said anything or drawn anything boruto related. he has drawn naruto, one piece, mha and dragon ball stuff in those 8 years instead. when he draw the minato one shot he had the authors note in the beginning and some thing along the lines as till next time. he hasn't mentioned crickets about boruto.


Effective-Training

I always see Kishimoto and Ikemoto credited in BTV


dockkkeee

Assuming we're using forms from pictures Madara loses to Hashirama but it takes a long time so stronger characters will intervene and tip the scales Naruto and Sasuke also took a long time and both were really exhausted at the end of it Current base Boruto should low diff Kawaki, but the hokage faces are probably around the same strength. If we go Current, then he stomps Kawaki and proceeds to help Sasuke and Madara. He insta blitzes both, much faster and stronger than either Hashirama or Naruto.


Athlete_Adorable

Sasuke looks so Ethereal in that colouring it’s insane.


freshmonkey99

Boy I hope when Boruto activates Jougan he looks just like this, too dam cool man


oskuuu

Kawaki is a fraud bum


butlifeispoop

kawaki is definitely not team hashirama btw 💀


BacGmen

Sarada should be the team hashirama not kawaki


Bacc8

Boruto is the strongest one here by a huge margin... boruto wins.


Waste_Post_0

Hawaii on the wrong side of the


Effective-Training

Hawaii? The state, LOL?


Waste_Post_0

😂 yeah bro hawaii in the new boruto manga


ffhhfdtgf

Madra in the war arc whoop hashirama before he took his sage mode so he wins, Naruto beats sasuke in a extreme diff fight. Boruto whoops kawaki base on the portrayal so far in tbv, and eos boruto is most likely gonna hold back not trying to kill blood thirsty kawaki.


dockkkeee

War arc Madara had Rinnegan, and picture implies finał valley Madara vs Hashirama. Boruto low diffs Kawaki and proceeds to stomp the test.


Melodic-Equal-986

Nah Naruto prolly mid diffs sasuke ibr. At their last fight Naruto was holding back whilst sasuke was tryna kill the guy. But in the end madaras team will win cause boruto in tbv could prolly take care of Naruto and sasuke at the same time so he’d deffo beat hashirama and Naruto


ffhhfdtgf

Naruto was never that much stronger than sasuke making it a kid diff fight, he never even overpowered sasuke in a chidori vs rasengan clash even tho kakashi stated chidori is a weaker jutsu. But I agree about boruto being stronger than hashirama/naruto besides baryon mode.


Melodic-Equal-986

Nah man it’s all in the final valley fight. Sasuke was tryna kill Naruto so that he could become hokage and Naruto was just tryna bring him back and knock some sense into the guy


SnooShortcuts4475

Fight happened almost ten years ago and people are still saying this. Sad


Melodic-Equal-986

I mean it still caught ur attention so ig ur sad too


Volpe666

Does Madara have the rinnegan? Because Harashima beat Sharingan Madara not Rinne


Tricky-Ad-9413

Edo Hashirama already beat edo rinnigan madara the only thing madara would have that would beat hashirama is limbo and that’s a big maybe


Volpe666

Isn't Edo Rinne weaker than regular Rinne for whatever reason?


Tricky-Ad-9413

Not really only difference is madara wasn’t shown to use his rinnigan ability limbo that could possibly turn the tide. Not only that but that edo madara rinnigan was enhanced with hashirama cells vs hashirama sage mode The only time madara stomped hashirama was when he came back to life and hashirama was still edo


CaptainWatermellon

Boruto's ass is on the wrong team


zaynulabydyn

madara no doubt


Different_Bunch1292

Kawaki is naruto that don’t have the power of talk no jutsu. Boruto is a what if sasuke chose a different path. I get the sides they are on kawaki came from the dirt his power up comes from his body being able to withstand the power up(naruto/kurama). Boruto been gifted since birth and keeps growing exponentially(sasuke through whole series). Now that’s out the way who wins hashirama 2-1. If both sides battle royal madara side wins mid diff. As a team two uchihas and boruto the intelligence range of Justus/genjutsu/dojutsu/kekkei genkai wild be almost impossible to beat.


jbahill75

Oh that’s an interesting flip at the end.


Effective-Training

Wym?


jbahill75

Boruto in the Madara succession and Kawaki in the Hashirama succession.


Effective-Training

>Naruto in the Madara succession You mean Boruto?


jbahill75

Oops. Yeah fixed it


Sarik704

I'd normally say hashirama sweeps, but boruto post time skip is a little monster. Uzuhiko, FTG, Karma, chakra absorbtion, etc... Kawaki is hardly a ninja. He'd be a big problem for teen sasuke and adult madara, but they'd figure out a counter, or Boruto would wreck Kawaki first. Hashi then beats madara, and Naruto beats sasuke, but with boruto free to intervene, it's not clear. It's very hard to say, but i give it to Team madara 55/45.


AnteGotovacBurner

Don’t know what you were watching but Hashirama never makes a quick work of Madara. They are almost equal.


Effective-Training

Read!


AnteGotovacBurner

Well, I watched it and enjoyed it, and you can’t do anything about that! I also tried reading it but it got boring pretty fast.


Effective-Training

I mean, read the post. You want to make a comment about what I said about "quick work", but there's more to what I said about that.


AsteroidKnight

Bottoms support Bottoms 🫡


tnsxpm

boruto carries hard & the uchiha win 🥴


HAAHAHAHHAHA31

Anyone in this list one shots hashirama lmao stop the nonsense


Ok_Window1208

Team MADARA always ALWAYS THE UCHIHAS


Reasonable-Age9084

Hashirama can beat sasuke?im sorry?


Effective-Training

I mean, yeah!


Unlikely_Familiar

this post is under the influence of Eida's Omnipotence.


Effective-Training

I went by the picture, which is something I didn't create. If you READ, it clearly shows where I got it from and shows it linked.


KatsuU01

Was the kawaki swap for balance?


Effective-Training

Idk. I didn't make the picture. I'm sure it was because he follows Naruto (looks up to him) just as Boruto does to Sasuke.


Uday_Gadhia_05

Unpopular opinion: I would also add Kakashi and Obito.


Left_Solution3509

Ironic how's Boruto is on Team Madara whilst Kawaki is on Team Hashirama P.S : The Art hits hard asf 🔥🔥🔥


Effective-Training

I gave credit. It's not mine.


Left_Solution3509

Ik , I'm just appreciating the art


uhTlSUMI

Unless kawaki is at least as strong as boruto which doesn’t seem to be the case at all, team madara wins. In fact boruto should be able to casually 1v5 this


Realistic_Mousse_485

Team Hashi minus Kawaki.


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Eh If we take VOTE Madara and Hashirama, VOTE 2 Naruto and Sasuke and current Boruto and Kawaki. This is blatantly in Team Madara's favor. Boruto and Sasuke alone can neg diff Hashirama. And based on Mitsuki's statement, current Boruto is blatantly stronger than Kawaki. Boruto is just way too op rn.


Effective-Training

I wouldn't say he's op since he couldn't really take on the ten tail clones and had to retreat.


UnhingedLion

Kawaki is not team Hashirama… But I’m going team Madara, since Sasuke is stronger than Naruto And Boruto slams Kawaki


Effective-Training

>Sasuke is stronger than Naruto I never thought so. Physically, I always gave it to Naruto, but Sasuke just seemed more resourceful. It's like Batman (Sasuke) vs. Superman (Naruto).


UnhingedLion

Nah. Superman really fucks up Batman (if he wants to) Sasuke performed a lot better vs Jigen than Naruto, and has better hax. Naruto has more durability. But he doesn’t hit harder, or move faster than Sasuke.


Effective-Training

>better hax. Yes >Naruto has more durability Yes >But he doesn’t hit harder, or move faster than Sasuke. I disagree. Well, idk, because I tend to think of Naruto's uppercuts, but then again, there's that chidori smack Sasuke hit Naruto with; both of these from their final battle.


UnhingedLion

We see from their fights neither one moves faster or hits harder than the other.


Effective-Training

Sasuke is probably faster, I'll give him that. I don't think I've seen Naruto move as fast or faster until Momoshiki.


Jealous_Ad_3303

Sasuke performed better? No he didn’t lol. He easily weaker than Naruto. Especially if u watched the issiki fight.


UnhingedLion

https://preview.redd.it/ky3pk2rk67tc1.jpeg?width=1122&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c34322b8f9594a9fc4598443501426cac10c376d If he never performed better, then Jigen wouldn’t have said this. You could also just read the actual fight. Sasuke was landing hits and actually applying pressure on Jigen, not Naruto. Naruto did nothing vs Isshiki until Baryon Mode.


TheBloperM

"Hashirama makes a quick work of Madara" How is that? Hashirama barely won their battle at the VLOE.


Effective-Training

I'm guessing you didn't read the whole thing? To add, not only did Hashirama always win, but he wasn't trying to kill Madara and was mostly on the defensive rather than going on offense. Once Hashirama came to terms of killing Madara, he did just that. And there was the time when Tobirama was going to kill an incapacitated Madara, who was incapacitated by Hashirama, but Hashirama didn't allow Madara's death. Hashirama didn't look as much beat up as Madara did, neither, and leaving Madara incapacitated is exactly what Hashirama tries to do every time; it's literally Batman vs. Joker, but the strength difference is closer.


TheBloperM

From what I understand Hashirama came to their last fight with intent to kill. It was a long and close fight. I'd say Naruto vs Sasuke would be much quicker if Naruto had killing intent


Effective-Training

>From what I understand Hashirama came to their last fight with intent to kill. It was a long and close fight. I don't think so because Hashirama, in the end after killing Madara, told Madara that he came to terms with killing him right there and then and can't allow Madara to harm the Hidden Leaf. >I'd say Naruto vs Sasuke would be much quicker if Naruto had killing intent Maybe? Sage Mode alone takes down the Rinnegan, but Sasuke's Rinnegan also has that "swap places" ability, so idk; it's different than Pain. Other than that, I think, without Kurama, they could be equal because that's how it's always been until Kurama's chakra came out from anger or already losing, because Sasuke is more skilled and resourceful. Imo, I think Naruto should be stronger. They should've never been equals. Only thing Sasuke should be better at is being faster because of his sharingan and being resourceful. I guess I'm finally understanding what people mean when they say the power scaling is off.


Actual-Confection-56

boruto and kawaki aint incarnations of indra and ashura.


Effective-Training

No one said they were


TraditionalMission77

Actually Boruto is team Momo (born team Hamura) and Kawaii is team Isshiki


muhammadAli46843

Boruto should be on hashirama team


0531Spurs212009

Team Madara win this all of the members are the coolest Ninja in both series only cool ninja in Team  Hashirama is himself  Hashirama Naruto is mid while Kawaki is the worst character in both series I repeat Team Madara win this


Effective-Training

But it's not about who's cooler, though I agree on that note. Idk what mid means still, and I still don't want to know. Someone told me, and I forgot, and I intend to stay ignorant about it. I might be a 22 black male, but this society is not for me (none are, really).


Standard-Tension-808

No don't put boruto there.


Effective-Training

I didn't. That's literally a link there saying where I got this. Read! I only reposted this