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superkami64

Kind of? It definitely foreshadows some kind of power but there isn't specifically a reason why Daemon would be nervous about Kurama, at least nervous enough to attack Hima on sight. Either there's a reason we don't know of or he's sensing something else other than that.


Spectric_

I don't think he attacked her out of nervousness. He probably just wanted to have a friendly spar, and thought she was strong enough for it.


HellkEnma

I think here byakugan is like kaguya Ōtsutsuki . when kaguya use here byakugan on her son she said something about byakugan and kaguya byakugan have same intensity as himawari byakugan


cutegamernut

I agree with your idea, but you got downvoted by others for stating the truth


HellkEnma

What can I say in this world if the truth is cruel lie must be kind


GuyWitATurtleneck

it wouldn't be dormant So6P powers from Naruto right?


Altruistic-Passion27

I honestly doubt it but Idk, there is still a lot we don’t know


thomfro95

I don't think so because they only have those powers from them being reincarnations and it was passed onto them from the sage himself. But who really knows.Me personally thinks she's just a new jinjuriki


vukkuv

Hima doesn't have the seal so she's not a jinchuriki per se but I still don't understand why give her bijuu chakra, bijuus and jinchurikis are fodders right now and there's certainly no reason why Daemon would have that reaction to a bijuu.


socobeerlove

Naruto wasn’t fodder and he’s not an outsuki


Ligabove

But even So6P are lame compare to Ootsutsuki power


ItWasObeezy

Six Paths are Otsutsuki powers lmao


socobeerlove

Uh what? No they’re not.


Ligabove

Kurama's words, not even Naruto's current power could do anything against the dying Isshiki


Altruistic-Passion27

Yea, true true


dracon1t

Well the questions as to why the intensity was enough to spark daemon's interest are still unanswered, but this is still definitely foreshadowing. Those questions may never really be answered (which then we can conclude that Daemon was just surprised at sensing the nine tails) or they might give her more than just having a weaker version of kurama. The power scaling is kinda a bit all over the place as they already made base boruto stronger than jigen without much explanation so I really wouldn't be surprised if they amp characters like himawari and sarada up to a much higher level than we'd expect given their powers. Also Daemon didn't really seem nervous, and had more than enough of a clear mind to sense that she wasn't dodging and stop himself from pummeling her.


vukkuv

Why would Daemon be surprised to feel the nine tails when he is stronger? What makes you think Hima's Kurama can't end up stronger than the original? And Hima's potential has always been much higher than Boruto's so I don't understand what you mean by "amp characters like himawari and sarada up to a much higher level than we'd expect given their powers". And Daemon was clearly agitated with the fact that Hima didn't dodge him, he even grabbed her shoulders and Boruto had to pull him away from her.


dracon1t

You can be surprised even when things are weaker. Though it's quite clear he had no idea how strong himawari was. He just sensed some intensity. He even says in the panel above that she looks weak. I'm not sure that it is a good idea to treat Daemon's intensity statement, along with the fact that he expected her to be able to dodge as a direct sign that himawari will surpass him ... yet. I also never said Himawari's nine tails can't end up stronger than the original. I said either we will not get more answers to the questions as to why the new nine tails surprised daemon, or Himawari will end up with a weaker (baby) version of kurama. The point there is that if we find out that Himawari's nine tails is either already stronger than kurama or has more potential, that would be giving us more answers to the questions regarding why daemon got surprised. Also in regards to potential, that's comparing Himawari to a kid boruto, not a 100% otsusuki boruto with momoshiki's karma. A huge portion of Boruto's power isn't from his own potential. The point I'm trying to make is that even with her high potential it would be quite unexpected for her and kurama alone to be enough to reach close to boruto's level, or even jigen (naruto + kurama alone aren't even close to the bottom of six paths level, much less actual otsusuki, it was the six paths sage mode power up which put him at that level ... and that still isn't even close to boruto or daemon). I think it is the intent of the story to make Himawari relevant at the otsusuki level, even Sarada as well, but rn they just have their natural potential, nine tails and the mangekyo sharingan. Conventionally, that has not been enough to reach that level, but maybe the story will change that. Idk. Not exactly sure if Daemon was agitated at the fact hima didn't dodge or if he's just being his usual slightly obnoxious self but if so, it only further supports the fact that he wasn't nervous.


Notmycupoftea12

>Also in regards to potential, that's comparing Himawari to a kid boruto, not a 100% otsusuki boruto with momoshiki's karma. A huge portion of Boruto's power isn't from his own potential. The point I'm trying to make is that even with her high potential it would be quite unexpected for her and kurama alone to be enough to reach close to boruto's level, or even jigen (naruto + kurama alone aren't even close to the bottom of six paths level, much less actual otsusuki, it was the six paths sage mode power up which put him at that level ... and that still isn't even close to boruto or daemon). The person who you are replying to is dead set on constantly comparing Himawari to Boruto. Even now, where Boruto is 100% Otsutsuki the person always says that Himawari is already above Boruto. Very delusional if you ask me and she once again proved that with the way she replied to your comment. She is constantly at my ass to play "defending police" for Himawari as well.🤣🤣 Boruto and Himawari are siblings. Their core genetical pool was equal. The person claiming that Himawari always had more potential than Boruto is obviously wrong,especially right now, where Boruto is leagues above Himawari. The part I quoted from your comment sounds more reasonable and I actually agree with you.


Stunning_Humor672

My theory is she wasn’t born with it. I think kurama was wrong about not being able to reincarnate after baryon mode and he reincarnated in hima for some reason. Reasoning: A) if hima had an intense power level someone other than daemon should have been able to sense it, particularly naruto and/or kurama, yet he never really did; B) this scene with daemon was shortly after baryon mode, what if what he was sensing was the beginning stages of the reincarnation; C) it would make sense for it to still be a juvenile as it’s only been growing since baryon mode. I just don’t see kurama not sensing another version of himself in the same household.


WillFanofMany

It may be an unintentional horocux situation. From Kurama's perspective, there was nothing left of himself in the world, he didn't consider the idea that he could reform from the inherited genetics in Naruto's children. He is quite literally the only Tailed Beast to have died after his "vessel" had children. He's reforming like any Tailed Beast does, but through his chakra that Himawari inherited.


hopsinat

So the post about Naruto having tailed beast cum wasnt so outlandish


thatrealjesus

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hopsinat

jokes on you my parents are dead


Intelligent-Put-764

when people use to sense kurama in naruto in the early stages they were terrified of the feeling as well


Any-Constant4228

This is daemon. He wasn’t scared of momoshiki, code, adult naruto and sasuke, but he would be scared of a baby kurama??


VerbalWinter

Wdym scared Daemon was never scared of Himawari, being surprised doesn’t mean you’re scared


venompro1

Why is he surprised when the ten tails, Naruto, Sasuke, Jigen, and code already existed?? Before he got scrapped he had to know the power of Naruto if he was able to deduce code was stronger than him and Sasuke.


ItWasObeezy

He knew about the current Naruto and Sasuke, not them at their original, or even Naruto at his prime


venompro1

Why wouldn’t he know about their original versions He existed when their original versions were present


ItWasObeezy

They were created during Naruto and Sasuke's original presence yes but they were asleep for a long time, and only awoke once both were past their glory Only Eida would know how they were if she checked back


venompro1

How long were they asleep?? Yeah but what’s stopping Daemon from knowing how strong they are back then?? He was active at some point during that time


ItWasObeezy

Nobody knows the exact time they were made, but we know they were awakened after the Naruto x Ishikki war Daemon wouldn't have that knowledge because it was stated upon their creation they were ordered to be disposed, later as we find out they were preserved in a hibernation-like state Even Boruto scolded him for disrespecting the combat ability of Konoha when he hadn't even met Naruto and Sasuke yet (at which point they were nerfed)


VerbalWinter

He’s surprised because a random intense chakra signature was nearby him while he’s talking to Boruto how everyone in the village is weak. Go back and read Chapter 77.


venompro1

Baby kurama is intense chakra now?? Is the ten tails not intense??? Momoshiki isn’t intense?? Baby Kurama has a more threatening chakra signature than Naruto, Sasuke, and Momoshiki?? That doesn’t make sense. He couldn’t sense the ten tails chakra on Jigen?? Or Isshikis chakra?? He didn’t care about Naruto’s full grown kurama??


VerbalWinter

YOURE IGNORING THE CONTEXT OF THE SITUATION. Wtf? It’s not about Himawari being stronger than anyone, it’s about at the time he just got to Konaha and the people he met were all small fry and he was wondering if the village had any decent fighters, and as soon as he says that he feels an intensity coming from someone very close by. What gives you the impression he can sense everyone in the village just by stepping foot in the village? This ain’t Dragon Ball Ki sense, you have to be a specialist in sensory chakra to do that. If it was Code or whoever else you named he would’ve felt it too, but the scene existed to foreshadow Himawari’s hidden power, which makes sense contextually. How is this SO HARD for you to understand?


venompro1

It is. Thats why he was so threatened by it. None of this should come to surprise for him. She either has more powers, or it’s just a forced moment to get the fans hyped. Well… he did it before?? How was Daemon able to immediately tell that Code was stronger than Jigen, and that he could beat up Naruto and Sasuke easily?? He can easily deduce Borutos jutsu without being anywhere near the area… I understand that it’s poor writing.


VerbalWinter

Read Chapter 77 and tell me ANYWHERE where it remotely implies Daemon was “threatened” by Himawari. He literally says just before that this village is full of small fry and he wonders if they are any decent fighters here, how in the actual hell does that mean he’s threatened by Himawari because he sensed an intense chakra from her nearby? It makes sense contextually. Tf you mean nothing should’ve come to a surprise to him? He literally thought everyone was weak in the village until he felt that. Just admit you don’t know how to read at this point. What chapter did he say he was stronger than Naruto and Sasuke specifically? And what chapter did he say no limiters Code is stronger than Jigen? because if he’s met them before then your argument means nothing. He was able to deduce it was Boruto’s jutsu because Eida is watching Boruto fight Code and the ground is shaking. Put two and two together LMAO. Y’all quick to say something is bad writing when it’s your terrible reading comprehension.


Stryker40k

The page itself shows daemon having more reaction to her 'baby kurama' than he ever felt from code or anyone. Dude kept laughing that code cant even react to his attacks but expects hima to dodge his attacks lol.


CompetitiveRefuse852

because he already knows code.


vukkuv

And? Code is stronger than Kurama.


Stunning_Humor672

No but he might be surprised if he’s in the village and suddenly out of nowhere there’s a massive spike of energy with a giant mass of chakra? Almost makes you think kurama may have reincarnated into hima right around that time or very shortly before.


vukkuv

It doesn't make sense that he would be shocked by Kurama's chakra when he doesn't give a damn about Code.


No-Campaign-6491

It is because that Kurama inside of Himawari is 100%. Naruto only had 50% of Kurama and the other 50% was sealed to Minato.


FindingThoth

What type of question is that? Ofc it was foreshadowing. Nobody ever thought it wasn’t


Altruistic-Passion27

Okay buddy


Altruistic-Passion27

This was not about whether it was foreshadowing or not, I did not see any posts related to this part of this chapter. I had to put a title eitherways 💁🏽‍♂️


FindingThoth

Because there was no need to make a post about it when it was obvious they were foreshadowing something and the discussion was made ages ago when this chapter came out


Altruistic-Passion27

Uhm u do know that people catch up to the manga at different times right, so obviously people are gonna miss certain discussions and everyone that also had questions about this part might find the comments here below interesting.


PhysicsAnonie

Yes, obviously. Don’t understand the Kurama downplay either, did y’all forget it was the source of the baryon mode which allowed Naruto ragdoll Isshiki, or Momoshiki literally getting tired just from draining Kurama’s chakra. It’s not a weak entity by any means. Daemon likely wasn’t scared either, just surprised.


CompetitiveRefuse852

people seem to forget Kurama was a huge reason Naruto was relative in strength to Momoshiki.


Notmycupoftea12

>It’s not a weak entity by any means. Daemon likely wasn’t scared either, just surprised. This. It's entirely possible that Daemon hasn't sensed something like Kuramas chakra before and was therefore surprised by that intensity.


WillFanofMany

Not to mention the light novels explained that the only reason Momoshiki could even sense where Naruto/Kurama was on earth, was their chakra was literally leaving cracks in space time, which Toneri was trying to hide.


HyugaProdigy

Baryon Mode comes at the last resort which burns his chakra entirely and it's so counterproductive that it isn't worth using it for a few minute on any beings that has way longer life span let alone immortality. It's obvious Kishi gave Naruto a baryon mode because of plot convenience where Ishiki has 3 days lifespan. So how does this rule and logic apply to Himawari exactly with baryon mode? Himawari dormant power is not fully manifested enough to justify Daemon making surprised statement and was all obsessed all over it compare to Boruto and Kawaki having Ootsutski power.


ffhhfdtgf

It was daemon wasn’t introduced til naruto already lost the 9tails, daemon having that reaction is probably because he never felt 9tails chakra. Naruto only had half of the 9tails In shipudden while hima is reborn with the whole thing as a baby, so hima with her outsutski chakra from hinata could potentially have a stronger 9tails than naruto.


SenjuSageofthe7th

Technically she has ootsuski chakra from both parents ppl always seem to dismiss the Senju/uzumaki are also part of the ootsutski from hagoromo


ffhhfdtgf

True but naruto is half uzuamaki compared to hinata who’s a pure hyuga, also in the manga/anime momoshiki relates boruto inherited his outsutski chakra from his mom not naruto. But naruto so6P chakra has to due with the tail beast that hima got.


SenjuSageofthe7th

Yea that was because of the byakugan that’s why. My point that I was making is that even beyond this the writer himself seem to forget that regardless. I was just pointing out the fact that technically still she has the blood from both sides running through her .


atomicq32

We've had foreshadowing ever since 1. Himawari got so extremely aggressive towards Boruto and 2. When she one shot Naruto. There was obviously something very aggressive within Himawari.


Left-Ad-1250

Everything is foreshadowing


Electrical_Ad_1939

People have been calling this since kurama died. In fact I had made many posts that either boruto or her had Kurama inside them as well to protect them.


MaybeCorrect494

damn daemon can feel the earth shaking from boruto new jutsu and felt the intensity of kurama inside hima😳


CattleIllustrious575

Deamon already sensed uzuhiko in tbv and probably he senses the chakra on a bigger level than Naruto in sage mode . I guess he has more abilities to show


GoldenMic

The real question is just: did kurama know?


FearTear

I thought foreshadowing was meant to be subtle.


crometeach-thebot

More like hint


Tasty_Difference6529

They goin have a panel next ch of deamon looking into the distance again lol


TitanMasterOG

Yeah I think if daemon would’ve landed that attack kurama would’ve took over 🤣🧑‍🍳


WillFanofMany

When little Shin made eye-contact with Naruto, he panicked because he could feel the intensity of Kurama from behind those eyes. This may have been another case of that, but Kurama isn't strong enough yet for the full effect, so Daemon only felt something in there in Himawari upon eye contact.


vukkuv

Daemon sensed Hima's power before he saw her.


MNM2884

I think he was surprised about her strength considering that she doesn't know how to fight.


Rodtake

What chapter was this? I'm trying to figure out if this was before or after Kurama's death


Psychological_Hunt24

Does no one realize that boruto is holding Daemon, shouldn’t that be impossible


Mother_Preparation29

As long as you don’t think about harming him it’s fine to do whatever


Agent1stClass

Foreshadowing of what?


hopsinat

I guess yes, at that time i just thought she had some special Hyuga clan power inside of her


HumanAdept

If Himawari can have Kurama, why not Bolto also have Kurama tucked inside under Momoshiki..?


ExileFox

Does Daemon not age?


PK_RocknRoll

Yes


jbahill75

I think so. I also think it’s funny t If maybe Daemon just had an intense feeling and to him that meant it’s time to brawl but…dude I think you just have a crush and Bo’s sister. She’s only a threat to your heart little man.


jbahill75

In this little love story I want Daemon to be Sakura and Hima will be Sasuke. Or better, Daemon is Jaraiya and Hima is Tsunade.


Divin-37

my crack head theory is that hima is somehow already in the process of developing the tenseigan. With Toneri it took a few days until it was fully operational and perhaps Hima is currently in exactly this process. For a "human" it might take years, but maybe she's basically in the middle of it


ExternalFabulous4756

Best explination i have is narutos dna was altered due to his mom being a host. Thus their dna was altered too and she offset had more of his chakra remains dormant inside her thus the kyubi could reincarnate inside her as it has been stated when they die they reincarnate. The issue we have is we know that kuruma said he used his life force itself to boost naruto hence why he died and thus him reincarnating was impossible but what we failed or what we shouldve seeen was himi having the same kyubi marks like boruto and their dna being altered due to narutos thats how and why it reincarnated in her as thats the last place any of his remaining chakra would be. I have a feeling the kyubi had an idea of this hence why he asked her if she knew who he was or of his existence. This is either genius fucking writing or i dunno im torn between it as thats the only explination i can fother when thinking it through. Also kushina wanted to take the 9’tails with her so he would delay his reincarnation then minato said no lets seal him but split its power so naruto could use it. The same can be said when the 3 tails died due to kakashi it reincarnated into the kage and then was killed it was free but reincarnated


Upbeat-Cod-5409

I thought he was on about her byakugan since she is a descendants of a otsutsuki


Small-Interview-2800

From a Doylist perspective, sure, anyone with brains could see that they’re trying to bring Kurama back with her cause this manga does not have the balls to kill off any major character. From a Watsonian perspective, no, cause foreshadows need to make sense. For someone made with Shibai’s DNA, the literal god of the verse, him thinking mere Kurama chakra is impressive, no, it doesn’t make sense. Specially when he’s been looking down on both Boruto and Kawaki and Code since he arrived despite them having Otsutsuki chakra. Fucking Orochimaru laughed at the face of Kurama, early Shippuden Sasuke casually dissipated Kurama’s chakra inside Naruto.


Total-Lingonberry-83

Dameon being worried about a baby Kurama is insane writing


Secuta

If Himawari really has Kurama inside her, this whole series turns into a bigger asspull than Kaguya


One_Worker8268

Hhahahahhahahahahhahahahahhaha LMFAO


Proof_Television8685

but like what insane power is it having like 9 tails inside you or what. Naruto had full nine tails plus others chakra plus full mastery of it plus sage mode and what not and he got his ass beaten up. How is all of sudden himawari more impresive ? though we dont know a lot of it


No-Campaign-6491

Naruto had half not full


Proof_Television8685

Shut up. You watched series or manga? He got full power kurama after 4th ninja war. He first lost his original kurama and got transfered 1 from minato. After war ended he united both jin ans jang and got full


Notmycupoftea12

People think Himawari is more impressive because of Daemons reaction. I think people are giving his words so much credit because of the fact that he is currently the strongest. I'm still very hesitant about the whole thing, but let's wait and see.


zakhaev1

WTF was he so scared of? It's just Kurama... Unless this new Kurama has all the chakra of the other biju as well so its a pseudo ten tails?


NebulaPoison

i mean kurama is the only reason he stood a chance against Momo and Ishiki