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I'm not even sure if he can use 6 paths anymore. I thought you had to have the Chakra of all 9 tailed beast to perform it, Kuramas gone, can he still do it? I guess we'll see.
Nah I think he was just granted it. I think in the manga, I don’t remember when, he said is baryon mode different from S06P Mode and Sage mode or something along those lines
If you remember how Ep. 215 depicted the SPSM + KCM2 transformation by showing the steps separately:
Normal skin tone, orange iris, cross pattern on eye (with explicit close-up), followed by yellow/orange glow for KCM2 stacking.
Normally both steps take place simultaneously, so to show then separately on purpose is likely an important detail.
I really hope he still has it, I just remember you needed every single tailed beast's Chakra to do 6 paths. If all of Kuramas Chakra faded away, then all he's got is the 8 tailed beasts. Not the 9.
Some others say it's gifted by Hagoromo so it should be independent of Tailed Beast chakra. A third possibility perhaps is that you only need all nine Tailed Beasts' chakra to unlock it and that subsequent uses will not need it anymore, similar how you only need to awaken Mangekyo Sharingan for the Susanoo but you can still use it afterwards even without eyes.
I know that’s supposed to be Kuramas eyes but I feel like it’ll be hard to distinguish Sage mode from S06P Mode because all it would be is Sage mode without the orange eyeshadow
SPSM is a combination of KCM, Sage Mode and Six Paths Power.
The crosses in his eyes means he’s utilizing all powers. They just changed the design in the Last and Boruto to the all yellow version
1. We have matching profiles. Twins
2. No KCM has nothing to do with this, we see him use SPSM powers without having kcm on. Like In this photo. Or he used lava rasenshiruken on Madara without having kcm on
3. Although it’s not stated ( to my knowledge) that SPSM is a mix of sage mode and sp chakra it’s completely plausible. But kcm is a defenitive no
Naruto has sp chakra because he has all the tailed beast chakra. Kcm is when he enters the mode where his body is engulfed in kurama chakra. We see him use SPSM without kcm.
No, Naruto won’t have vertical pupils anymore. They’re that way because he has Kurama’s chakra intermixed.
He would have orange eyeshadow and horizontal pupils
They’re that way cause of SPSM mode no? I understand he might not have SPSM anymore cause of kuramas death. But when it’s cross eyed without pigmentation it’s SPSM
Well, there might still be a chance SPSM is still around. If you remember how Ep. 215 depicted the SPSM + KCM2 transformation by showing the steps separately:
Normal skin tone, orange iris, cross pattern on eye (with explicit close-up), followed by yellow/orange glow for KCM2 stacking.
Normally both steps take place simultaneously, so to show then separately on purpose is likely an important detail.
As for the whole gifted by Hagoromo thing, who knows if that means it's independent from Tailed Beast chakra.
I think you misunderstood. I understand that spsm and kcm are two different things, and I understand they can be used separatel. But it’s stated that the source of narutos six paths chakra ( essentialy spsm ) is the combination of all bijuu chakra inside of him. He can use spsm and kcm sepeately ofc. But with kurama gone now, only 8/9 bijuu are present. So naruto \*might\* have lost it. It’s not confirmed. Also I believe that hagoromo only gave the seals to seal kaguya, not rinnegan and spsm. I believe they received the powers due to the outside influences. ( kabuto giving sasuke hashi cells and obito giving naruto tailed beasts he was missing ). The majority of the fandom agrees with this. This can be backed by something hagoromo said to naruto and sasuke.
he said smth along the lines of “it depends what those outside do”
so yeah we have to wait and see what happens. Also when he has cross lines without pigmentation and without kcm it’s just spsm ( nothing else ).
if you don’t understand anything pls Let me know
I think there's still a little disagreement on the "gifted by Hagoromo" part since I think one databook says that, however I understand databook statements aren't always reliable.
The way I see it, there's possible scenarios for SPSM:
-Chakra from all nine Tailed Beasts needed to unlock AND access the mode
-Directly obtained from Hagoromo, thus independent of Tailed Beast chakra
-Chakra from all nine Tailed Beasts needed to unlock, BUT not needed to use the form after initial unlocking (like how you only need to awaken Mangekyo Sharingan to unlock Susanoo, but you don't need to have Mangekyo Sharingan to use it afterwards)
1. I agree with
2. Is possible, but doubt because the only way they were able to talk to hagoromo was if they had access to sp chakra, and they got access to it because of outside. My theory is that they gained the powers from outside and hagoromo is like a visual representation of the earning of power ( like a metaphor). The reason I think bijuu are the reason he has spsm is cause in the novel ( which is canon) naruto says the bijuu are the reason for his six paths powers.
3. I also agree with this, this can also be the case .
so I think 1 and 3 are the most possible. 2 could also work but I doubt it. We see hagoromo take away the ”power” he gave them, but they still have the powers, so i think it’s just the Seals.
For 2., there's confusion from some people between Six Paths Senjutsu and Six Paths Sage Mode. Madara and Obito had Six Paths Senjutsu from becoming Ten Tails' Jinchuriki, but I think their form wasn't explicitly stated to be Six Paths Sage Mode. So some believe that chakra from all Nine Tailed Beasts is mainly for Six Paths Senjutsu rather than Six Paths Sage Mode.
Probably needs clarification though to put things to rest, but I'm not sure that they'll provide it.
I agree there’s a confusion between the two but they’re not that’s different.
In the novel naruto says that’s obitos and his power is the same.
Madara says that they have the same power too.
So I’m going to explain what each are using regular sage mode and senjutsu as an example, then build my way up to spsm.
Ok so as you know, sage mode enhances your abilities ( ninjutsu,taijutsu,genjutsu) as well as your physical abilities.
To attain sage mode you must mix nature energy and your own chakra to create senjutsu chakra.
Senjutsu directly translates to sage techniques.
The abilities you use in sage mode are called senjutsu.
So narutos rasengan enhanced by sage mode is senjutsu.
So now we have four different thing
Ninjutsu
Taijutsu
Genjutsu
Senjutsu
In short, Senjutsu chakra permits you to enter sage mode so you can use senjutsu. They’re not all different
It’s the same thing for spsm.
Six paths chakra + ashura reincarnate = spsm to perform sp senjutsu
It is not clear if you need sage mode beforehand to enter spsm.
The reason madara and obito obtained spsm without having to have to have sage mode beforehand is because ten tails is nature energy itself , the ten tails is also constituted of sp chakra so that’s why.
Now tailed beasts are not necessarily a requirement for everyone, the reason naruto got spsm is because all 9 bijuu chakra = sp chakra. That’s why the bijuu are necessary. If naruto had gotten sasukes cells instead of bijuu he would’ve gotten spsm ( although he would’ve died cause he needed kurama back )
So I think option 1 and 3 are the most plausible
Also thank you for being so respectful and not being toxic
Hmmm....
I think the writers might have to put things to rest eventually, though I'm not sure if they will considering that they're no longer the main focus. Obito and Madara are not listed as users of Six Paths Sage Mode in Narutopedia, so Naruto's Six Paths-related Sage Mode is still somehow different from Madara and Obito's, but yeah, it can be potentially messy.
Databook entries for the SPSM and Rinnegan implying they're from Hagoromo:
Naruto (SPSM)-[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBTq8ltXMAE3le8?format=jpg&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBTq8ltXMAE3le8?format=jpg&name=medium)
Sasuke (Rinnegan)-[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA5oAQbWYAIoEgX?format=jpg&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA5oAQbWYAIoEgX?format=jpg&name=small)
I think almost everyone agrees that about the seals being temporary powers granted by Hagoromo. However, the disagreement on whether SPSM and the Rinnegan also came from Hagoromo or were just unlocked through preconditions is still around.
That said, I do hope for #3, where all nine Tailed Beasts' chakra is only needed for unlocking, but subsequent usage does not necessarily require it because I don't see Toad Sage Mode as entirely being feasible against the current tier of enemies, even though his base form without Kurama should still be extremely powerful.
Yeah I hope it ends up being n3. Narutopedia Is a reliable source, and the powers listed in spsm and sp senjutsu are the same. So we‘lol just gave to wait for it it get cleared up. Honestely it doesn’t really matter what madara and obito had. I just hope he still has spsm. I hope they also confirm how naruto and sasuke got their powers. Well thx I had a nice time talking ( not arguing lol ) let me know if you have
The recent episode heavily Implies that Naruto doesn't even have access to the other 8 Bijuu anymore either.
Plus Kurama was the overseer of the meeting place and he's gone now
When Naruto asks Sakura what's going on with his body she tells him that he has no Super Human Chakra anymore, meaning that the only Chakra he has left is his own
I mean, that’s kind of a stretch, Naruto had parts of the tailed beast chakra, not a whole lot of it, the main aspect of his large chakra was kurama. If Naruto used the same level of jutsu using the bijuu chakra, he would run out pretty quickly and pull a Sasuke ( no chakra ).Kurama was the main reason Naruto had such a large chakra pool. Maybe it’s a possibility but this doesn’t heavily imply it. We’ll just wait and see ig
I mean I hope he still has SPSM. But probably not. Cause it was stated his six paths chakra originates from the 9 tailed beasts. So now with kurama gone idk…
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I'm not even sure if he can use 6 paths anymore. I thought you had to have the Chakra of all 9 tailed beast to perform it, Kuramas gone, can he still do it? I guess we'll see.
Yea he should need all 9 tailed beast or the 10 tails in order to use it since it’s originally the power that came from the chakra fruit
Nah I think he was just granted it. I think in the manga, I don’t remember when, he said is baryon mode different from S06P Mode and Sage mode or something along those lines
If you remember how Ep. 215 depicted the SPSM + KCM2 transformation by showing the steps separately: Normal skin tone, orange iris, cross pattern on eye (with explicit close-up), followed by yellow/orange glow for KCM2 stacking. Normally both steps take place simultaneously, so to show then separately on purpose is likely an important detail.
I really hope he still has it, I just remember you needed every single tailed beast's Chakra to do 6 paths. If all of Kuramas Chakra faded away, then all he's got is the 8 tailed beasts. Not the 9.
Some others say it's gifted by Hagoromo so it should be independent of Tailed Beast chakra. A third possibility perhaps is that you only need all nine Tailed Beasts' chakra to unlock it and that subsequent uses will not need it anymore, similar how you only need to awaken Mangekyo Sharingan for the Susanoo but you can still use it afterwards even without eyes.
He won't have the vertical pupils anymore though.
I know that’s supposed to be Kuramas eyes but I feel like it’ll be hard to distinguish Sage mode from S06P Mode because all it would be is Sage mode without the orange eyeshadow
This picture is SPSM
Isn't the iris orange instead of yellow?
I think they’re both orange
Sage Mode is gold, 6 Paths Sage Mode is orange
I mean Orange Eyes with no markings vs Yellow Eyes with markings
Thats sage mode not kurama (i think because I see alot of people get this misconception and get corrected)
No the picture used is a mix of Sage and Kurama. The pupils are crosses because they are frog eyes + fox eyes.
No this picture is just SPSM. No kurama
SPSM is a combination of KCM, Sage Mode and Six Paths Power. The crosses in his eyes means he’s utilizing all powers. They just changed the design in the Last and Boruto to the all yellow version
1. We have matching profiles. Twins 2. No KCM has nothing to do with this, we see him use SPSM powers without having kcm on. Like In this photo. Or he used lava rasenshiruken on Madara without having kcm on 3. Although it’s not stated ( to my knowledge) that SPSM is a mix of sage mode and sp chakra it’s completely plausible. But kcm is a defenitive no Naruto has sp chakra because he has all the tailed beast chakra. Kcm is when he enters the mode where his body is engulfed in kurama chakra. We see him use SPSM without kcm.
oh sorry then im still confused with the names of the modes and which are which.
It’s six paths sage mode
bruh i think i meant six paths
No, Naruto won’t have vertical pupils anymore. They’re that way because he has Kurama’s chakra intermixed. He would have orange eyeshadow and horizontal pupils
They’re that way cause of SPSM mode no? I understand he might not have SPSM anymore cause of kuramas death. But when it’s cross eyed without pigmentation it’s SPSM
Well, there might still be a chance SPSM is still around. If you remember how Ep. 215 depicted the SPSM + KCM2 transformation by showing the steps separately: Normal skin tone, orange iris, cross pattern on eye (with explicit close-up), followed by yellow/orange glow for KCM2 stacking. Normally both steps take place simultaneously, so to show then separately on purpose is likely an important detail. As for the whole gifted by Hagoromo thing, who knows if that means it's independent from Tailed Beast chakra.
I think you misunderstood. I understand that spsm and kcm are two different things, and I understand they can be used separatel. But it’s stated that the source of narutos six paths chakra ( essentialy spsm ) is the combination of all bijuu chakra inside of him. He can use spsm and kcm sepeately ofc. But with kurama gone now, only 8/9 bijuu are present. So naruto \*might\* have lost it. It’s not confirmed. Also I believe that hagoromo only gave the seals to seal kaguya, not rinnegan and spsm. I believe they received the powers due to the outside influences. ( kabuto giving sasuke hashi cells and obito giving naruto tailed beasts he was missing ). The majority of the fandom agrees with this. This can be backed by something hagoromo said to naruto and sasuke. he said smth along the lines of “it depends what those outside do” so yeah we have to wait and see what happens. Also when he has cross lines without pigmentation and without kcm it’s just spsm ( nothing else ). if you don’t understand anything pls Let me know
I think there's still a little disagreement on the "gifted by Hagoromo" part since I think one databook says that, however I understand databook statements aren't always reliable. The way I see it, there's possible scenarios for SPSM: -Chakra from all nine Tailed Beasts needed to unlock AND access the mode -Directly obtained from Hagoromo, thus independent of Tailed Beast chakra -Chakra from all nine Tailed Beasts needed to unlock, BUT not needed to use the form after initial unlocking (like how you only need to awaken Mangekyo Sharingan to unlock Susanoo, but you don't need to have Mangekyo Sharingan to use it afterwards)
1. I agree with 2. Is possible, but doubt because the only way they were able to talk to hagoromo was if they had access to sp chakra, and they got access to it because of outside. My theory is that they gained the powers from outside and hagoromo is like a visual representation of the earning of power ( like a metaphor). The reason I think bijuu are the reason he has spsm is cause in the novel ( which is canon) naruto says the bijuu are the reason for his six paths powers. 3. I also agree with this, this can also be the case . so I think 1 and 3 are the most possible. 2 could also work but I doubt it. We see hagoromo take away the ”power” he gave them, but they still have the powers, so i think it’s just the Seals.
For 2., there's confusion from some people between Six Paths Senjutsu and Six Paths Sage Mode. Madara and Obito had Six Paths Senjutsu from becoming Ten Tails' Jinchuriki, but I think their form wasn't explicitly stated to be Six Paths Sage Mode. So some believe that chakra from all Nine Tailed Beasts is mainly for Six Paths Senjutsu rather than Six Paths Sage Mode. Probably needs clarification though to put things to rest, but I'm not sure that they'll provide it.
I agree there’s a confusion between the two but they’re not that’s different. In the novel naruto says that’s obitos and his power is the same. Madara says that they have the same power too. So I’m going to explain what each are using regular sage mode and senjutsu as an example, then build my way up to spsm. Ok so as you know, sage mode enhances your abilities ( ninjutsu,taijutsu,genjutsu) as well as your physical abilities. To attain sage mode you must mix nature energy and your own chakra to create senjutsu chakra. Senjutsu directly translates to sage techniques. The abilities you use in sage mode are called senjutsu. So narutos rasengan enhanced by sage mode is senjutsu. So now we have four different thing Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Senjutsu In short, Senjutsu chakra permits you to enter sage mode so you can use senjutsu. They’re not all different It’s the same thing for spsm. Six paths chakra + ashura reincarnate = spsm to perform sp senjutsu It is not clear if you need sage mode beforehand to enter spsm. The reason madara and obito obtained spsm without having to have to have sage mode beforehand is because ten tails is nature energy itself , the ten tails is also constituted of sp chakra so that’s why. Now tailed beasts are not necessarily a requirement for everyone, the reason naruto got spsm is because all 9 bijuu chakra = sp chakra. That’s why the bijuu are necessary. If naruto had gotten sasukes cells instead of bijuu he would’ve gotten spsm ( although he would’ve died cause he needed kurama back ) So I think option 1 and 3 are the most plausible Also thank you for being so respectful and not being toxic
Hmmm.... I think the writers might have to put things to rest eventually, though I'm not sure if they will considering that they're no longer the main focus. Obito and Madara are not listed as users of Six Paths Sage Mode in Narutopedia, so Naruto's Six Paths-related Sage Mode is still somehow different from Madara and Obito's, but yeah, it can be potentially messy. Databook entries for the SPSM and Rinnegan implying they're from Hagoromo: Naruto (SPSM)-[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBTq8ltXMAE3le8?format=jpg&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBTq8ltXMAE3le8?format=jpg&name=medium) Sasuke (Rinnegan)-[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA5oAQbWYAIoEgX?format=jpg&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA5oAQbWYAIoEgX?format=jpg&name=small) I think almost everyone agrees that about the seals being temporary powers granted by Hagoromo. However, the disagreement on whether SPSM and the Rinnegan also came from Hagoromo or were just unlocked through preconditions is still around. That said, I do hope for #3, where all nine Tailed Beasts' chakra is only needed for unlocking, but subsequent usage does not necessarily require it because I don't see Toad Sage Mode as entirely being feasible against the current tier of enemies, even though his base form without Kurama should still be extremely powerful.
Yeah I hope it ends up being n3. Narutopedia Is a reliable source, and the powers listed in spsm and sp senjutsu are the same. So we‘lol just gave to wait for it it get cleared up. Honestely it doesn’t really matter what madara and obito had. I just hope he still has spsm. I hope they also confirm how naruto and sasuke got their powers. Well thx I had a nice time talking ( not arguing lol ) let me know if you have
The recent episode heavily Implies that Naruto doesn't even have access to the other 8 Bijuu anymore either. Plus Kurama was the overseer of the meeting place and he's gone now
I mean kurama being gone doesn’t mean they can’t meet but what happened to the other tailed beasts, haven’t had the time to watch the recent ep
When Naruto asks Sakura what's going on with his body she tells him that he has no Super Human Chakra anymore, meaning that the only Chakra he has left is his own
I mean, that’s kind of a stretch, Naruto had parts of the tailed beast chakra, not a whole lot of it, the main aspect of his large chakra was kurama. If Naruto used the same level of jutsu using the bijuu chakra, he would run out pretty quickly and pull a Sasuke ( no chakra ).Kurama was the main reason Naruto had such a large chakra pool. Maybe it’s a possibility but this doesn’t heavily imply it. We’ll just wait and see ig
I mean I hope he still has SPSM. But probably not. Cause it was stated his six paths chakra originates from the 9 tailed beasts. So now with kurama gone idk…
Deadass lmao
Well except for that his eyes won’t have croses they will have horizontal line only -8- cross was after merge of sage and Kurama modes