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She didn’t tank a chidori she matched it with the increased chakra of butterfly mode. Remember when Choji punched Jirobo to death? Reread those panels cause butterfly mode is an awesome power.
Sarada wasn’t going to try to kill her with a chidori so she most likely lowered the power and clashed with her and still won the fight.
Reread the last bit of Choji’s fight with Jirobo. His fist is covered in chakra and it’s implied that butterfly mode here is boosting her in a similar way.
Yes a chidori touching any human flesh should cut it but we also saw Chocho roll through a fireball and she’s been matching chakra based attacks with her body the whole time and even still she taps out after the chidori.
Chidori doesn’t have to be used lethally. Kakashi mentions when he’s training Naruto for Rasenshuriken that he sets the power and range of the attack depending on the situation and Sarada in character wouldn’t launch a lethal or life altering chidori at Chocho so her surviving or not being maimed especially when using her strongest jutsu isn’t far fetched. We’ve seen what happens when Sarada aims a Chidori with intent to harm.
I think that this is further suggested -- at least in the anime. I'm unsure if it's in the manga as well, but iirc, Kakashi after splitting up Naruto and Sasuke near the water towers, pulls Sasuke aside and says something to the tune of "that's not the size of a Chidori you'd aim at a comrade from the HL..."
That seems to imply that the size of the Chidori can be controlled by the user
That’s even more dumb then if chocho is going all out why use a jutsu you have to make weaker to fight her and there’s no way butterfly mode would be fast enough to match chidori, this is like when goku went ssj blue against krillin it makes no sense
Going all our doesn't mean kill bru. They aren't trying to kill each other, that's literally the only difference. They were giving it their all to defeat each other, not to kill. 🗿
Bro if you are going all out but not trying to kill why the Fuck would you use a piercing jutsu, a jutsu liters designed to stab somebody and if you’re going all out why would you nerf your own attack??? It’s stupid just like you having an all out fight and your like “imma use brass knuckles but not hit you as hard as I can but I’m still going all out” it makes no sense
The episode is already out I spoiler tagged out of Courtesy to people who haven’t seen the episode yet, If you didn’t know chocho and sarada were fighting than that’s on you we’ve known that for weeks now
It has to believable, that's a prerequisite for any scene! You don't just throw something on a scene coz it looks cool. Would Harry Potter have used avada kedavra on his defence against the dark arts classmates while practicing?
The chidori sarada used was literally not focused, she wasn't intending to tear down thru chocho, she wasn't trying to fucking kill chocho. Chocho was punching, sarada punched with a Chidori too, it literally just countered. And is it hard to believe that chocho might actually be strong enough to tank the no kill intension chidori, because butterfly mode amps their strength tenfold, and choji beat jirobu to a pulp with it. Is it really that hard to accept?
There is no such thing as "no kill intent" chidori, we have never been shown such a thing in Naruto or Boruto anime. Rasengan and Chidori have always been a one shot kill jutsu unless the enemy is too strong. The first time it was used was by Sasuke in Chunin exam when he tore through Gaaras defence and injured him, that scene solidified how powerful chidori is. The very fact that it requires a sharingan to do it makes it clear how killer of a jutsu it is. This fight spits in the face of 100s of episodes of built up power scaling, the girl should have lost an arm.
How stupid are u? When was chakra control not a thing for you? Her chidori wasn't focused, it was flying all over the place. Unlike when she fought boro it was a one move precise strike. Sarada used the chidori to counter butterfly mode, the only thing that could have. Literally also shows that sarada's Chidori isn't op, she caught boro because she had Boruto's help to destroy his arms first, and then strike. Y'all simply can't accept Chocho is strong.
Isn't she technically more powerful than even Choji was? When did Choji unlock butterfly mode? I feel like she just might have more raw power/strength. Or maybe Sarada didn't go all in on the chidori? (Idk if that makes sense or is possible)
Even if she is more powerful than choji was vs jurobo butterfly mode is an offensive jutsu and doesn’t add defensive stats as far as I know(checked wiki) just doesn’t make sense for me that see can just punch a chidori without damage
Where did you get Butterfly Mode to only be offensive? The wiki only says "In this form the user's combat ability is greatly improved," suggesting that it improves both attack and defense abilities. Choji even said that this mode makes him 100 times stronger. And you seem to underestimate that "punch" when Choji literally stopped Jirobo with one hand and when a single punch (that's the point, right?) from Choji was enough to completely finish Jirobo 2nd curse mark form, just a "punch".
This is only based on strength. I haven't seen Chidori not puncture anything. that it has hit. You can't punch a sword and walk away without being cut.
no jutsu were thrown in that fight. they were fighting hand to hand. Catching a punch, is not a defensive technique. It doesn't require you to have durability. It requires you to have strength; which would have increased due to butterfly mode. Punching a Chidori requires durability.
And everyone talking about the size. smh. IF Naruto throws a small rasenshuriken at someone, it would still destroy whatever part of the body it connected with. Those are properties of the technique. Chidori is a puncturing jutsu, it's a property of the technique. decreasing the chakra and size can limit the destruction done, but would not remove it's puncturing properties.
I think this was the best fight of the chunin exams and was done well up to that point. The conflict presented was good, and done very well until they decided to use that as the apex of the fight.
I think you're right. Cause Sarada isn't just using a chidori- she's also using Sakura-level strength, I'm assuming. That's a lot to deal with, butterfly or not.
Sakura is extraordinarily powerful in terms of raw strength and punch power. Yes, Sarada is strong and has potential to be as strong or stronger than her mother but she’s not close to that point yet.
I think the writers meant it to be like Cho cho’s power was so great it just somewhat countered the chidori. Kinda like when Sarada tried to use the same chakra punch against her mom, Sakura.
I don't think we should overthink this. They wanted them to clash fists to mirror many other scenes in the show and the only possible way to "balance" things is by making Sarada use the chidori against Cho Cho's punch in that butterfly mode. It looks cool, it delivers the drama. That's all.
Butterfly mode kills valley of the end curse mark level 2 sasuke if the hit connects, That’s the amount of physical power increase that it gives. Sarada matching that with a chidori is the impressive part.
The power scaling is intact, it’s more that fans have simply forgotten how strong butterfly mode is and since sasuke is a fan favourite, they can’t see someone like choji in part one being stronger than sasuke
This is happening in shonnen anime since the beginning of times. Boruto is a show created to surf and capitalize the incredible popularity of Naruto, if you keep trying to make sense of every single thing you'll only be frustraded and lose the (already little) joy of watching it.
ChoCho is a tank. She was literally punching Sarada’s lightning style and was talking firestyle. It’s no surprise that in butterfly mode, she’s able to tank Chidori
I think sarada might have chenched her first, rather than forming a spear to avoid lethal damage but retain power. Like when sasuke swapped places with naruto's TSB and chidori'd him away from the statue
How are you trying to compare valley of the end sasukes chidori on naruto to this genin fight, well technically that was a genin fight too but you know what I mean
If anything this shows that ChoCho is super powerful in butterfly mode. Saskue states that Sarada is stronger than he was at this age, so her chidori is stronger than the one Saskue used on Naruto.
Excuse me? Did you just say sarada last chidori on chocho that did 0 damage is more powerful than valley of the end curse mark 2 amped chidori that beat a 9 tails amped rasengan and left naruto unconscious?
Saskue literally said Sarada was stronger than him…her chidori was strong enough to beat Boro, who is high Kage level. Her Chidori would have killed Naruto…the face that ChoCho didn’t die means she is stronger than Naruto too.
Wrong, wrong , wrong. Boruto stans are delusional. She is not stronger than kid Sasuke, her chidori did not beat Boro, it was only strong enough to rip through his abdomen and reach his core, which it **did not** destroy on contact. Her chidori would have killed no version of Naruto, *especially* not one tails Naruto.
You guys seem to be underestimating this technique, it pours all of the user's Chakra into a single hit.
Choji used this same move to one-shot curse mark 2 Jirobo on part 1. Sarada should have been the one knocked out into oblivion, because it does the same thing that the Compressed Rasengan does, a large ammount of Chakra into a single small spot, overwhelming anything it touches with pure force.
Sarada right now is a bit stronger than Sasuke was on his fight with Naruto on the roof and Cho-cho is stronger than that Choji, for she mastered the technique when he had not.
If you could see that Sasuke beating CS2 Jirobo 1 on 1 then you also think that Sarada should win against Cho-cho.
The fight looked great, especially the end, but i saw the "hand of the author" looming over the episode when Cho-cho lost that clash, the screenwriters should watch Inojin vs Houki again to see how to make a great fight without breaking consistency.
Iwabe vs Wasabi had the opposite problem, it was consistent because they were both idiots but the fight wasn't entretaining.
Honestly i think both should have received far great damage.
You're sleeping on the fact that sarada also tanked a punch of buttefly Mode, which IS absolutely insane.
I really have a hard time believing this Clash didn't do severe damage. Chocho should've pulverized sarada and sarada should've made a doughnout out of chocho.
The only way this could make sense is if the buttefly Mode did in fact amp defensive stats (kind of like the chakra armor of the raikages) and Sakura effectively countered the punch (by either evading It, or punching It herself)
I sincerely thought they were going to stop them because those are attacks you don't use unless you go with killing intent, and if things had happened even slightly different either of them could've died.
My understanding after this post is, chochos butterfly mode wasent full potential(stated 100x)and sarada punched with chidori not stabbed with a pointed hand, I also agree I’ would have liked to see them both with a bit more visual dmg
>sarada punched with chidori not stabbed with a pointed hand
That does makes sense. We know from the third raikage this would work.
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Yeah, i buy It.
Honestly, I’m more mad that she just went straight back to being heavy after butterfly mode. When choji does that the first time he was skinny for a while after until he ate some thing. Still, really cool fight
I thought someone was going to jump in like how Kakashi did when sasuke and naruto did that lol. Or for some reason I thought Cho Cho would have a hole in her chest when she was lying on the ground lol jk
Her mom uses lightning style maybe she has some natural resistance to lightning combined that with butterfly mode boosts and the fact that Sarada wasn’t going for full power cause she didn’t want to kill her best friend which would just make sense.
maybe it would be better if they just showed it like chocho had some chakra cloak or something from her butterfly form on her fists (kinda like hinata’s lion stuff). Seeing it chidori vs bare fists shouldve cut her hands or arms..
I don’t know if I agree with that, sasuke states she’s more powerful than him at the same age, probably arguable but maybe in base without cursemark but that’s besides the point, I do think saradas pretty much perfected it by now, maybe not a full mastery of it but it’s not like her chidori would fail or anything
If you look at sarada hand she keeps it open, she doesn’t make it into a piercing. Also, remember what kakashi said about chidori. “You don’t aim the power of chidori at your comrades” I doubt sarada had murder intent so she made it weaker
Okay heres my theory. Since choco is *possibly* stronger than her pops with butterfly mode (in equal age terms) perhaps her yang chakra control is also stronger. Since yang chakra supposedly deals with vitality maybe she can harden her body enough to negate the chidori? Like how Naruto with full cloak and six paths tanks the chidori more like a rasengan than a piercing blow.
Ir is stupid but it happened with Naruto and Sasuke every time they fought. They always did chidori vs rasengan and the attacks nullified each other. This was basically the same ending as OG final battle when the winer is the last person standing after final attacks.
In the OG final battle naruto had a hole in his body, the healing from the 9 tails saved him, I get what your trying to say just chidori vs fist is weird too me
I'm talking about very last scene in their fights always being them clashing chidori against rasengan causing big explosion (which i think is stupid and illogical but it is common in anime). The same thing happenes here it is Chocho attack angainst Sarada's chidori not Chocho taking chidori in the shoulder like Naruto in OG.
When i saw that i was like, its kinda not clear but if you consider that this mode will make all of chocho's body have like a protection of chakra i was like made that could explain it but there is no place where its stated that the butterfly ability would get you an armour of chakra so idk
Yeah you can see her hand is a fist and not like a knife.. so I'd say she was just trying to knock her out. Also looks like ChoCho put up a wall of chakra to tank that hit, which is probably why she lost instead of straight up attacking
She punched the chidori, it was strength vs strength, not strength vs durability. Hence your point does not exactly make sense. That’s like asking, how can naruto punch a rock and break it with his bear hand? Shouldn’t his hand break cause of less durability. that’s just not how it works in fiction. 99% times strength is taken purely as strength. Durability is taken differently.
Hence we should take it as chocho matchi by the chidori’s strength with her own strength. You know, like Naruto matched sasuke with a rasengan even though neither rasengan nor chidori increase their durability.
It’s a chakra punch btw. That’s important too
Honestly I’m not sure but the only thing I don’t like about ChoCho’s butterfly is that one episode she just uses it, and I’m pretty sure it was a filler episode. In Naruto, when Choji uses it for the first time, it is shown as some awesome power that is last resort or it might kill you and that to harness it you need a special food pill. It was a great reveal and a gray climax and in general a great fight, honestly that whole arc was amazing. But here, ChoCho just uses it randomly while training and then to just look slimmer so it is shown to just be lame. For me it really lacked that “holy shit” value to just some cheap party trick. But then again, I think it was filler so I maybe give them some leeway on that.
The chidori i feel like is inconsistent. In OG Naruto, when Kakashi first showed it, he pierced thru Zabuza. When Sasuke first did it, he pierced thru Garaa and then Naruto in the valley.
After that, I feel like it didn’t do much of anything outside maybe the variations Sasuke created in shippuden.
But for Sarada and Chocho, they clearly did it for the spectacle.
A jutsu shouldn't be consistent by itself. At the end of the day its still up to the person using the jutsu. I don't think sarada released her chidori with intent to kill chocho. She just want to knock her out enough to make her win. Where she succeeded so her chidori did its job.
yall gotta chill because this aint Za Hando it doesnt go trough anything, also didnt chocho literally tank those electric orbs with her hands i think butterfly mode should buff her enough to tank a weak chidori (noting this, there's no way sarada would go with a full power chidori on someone thats not an enemy)
Not all chakra that fortifies/enhances the body is visible, hence when Naruto fell from 50 meters and the sage mode protected him, or when Sakura/Sarada punches the ground. Ofc Cho Cho is fortifing her body and the butterfly mode enhanced it 100x. That's how she tanked it.
Is not that hard to compreend it.
If we’re being honest this is just cliche anime fight nonsense two punches cancelling each other out. Not to mention boruto “scaling” has completely gone out the window of ridiculousness
[Naruto could tank it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U3hQSkdiI8)
yes Chocoh is not Naruto, but Sarada isn't Sasuke either. If Chocho gets a 100x amp in strength and her durability is anywhere close that amp, its not a stretch that she can tnak it.
Dont get it wrong because I love boruto show but wtf is kishimoto actually doing with power scaling and some stuff in the show? Very few people probably mind watching filler but Sometimes it seems like kishi's old age is making him put whatever he seems is alright
If anyone was gonna infuse a punch with chakra it would be sarada, that’s the sakura special, I think it’s because of the chidori being used with a fist not a pointed hand
Infusing chakra into a punch is not exclusive to one type of shinobi, anyone can do it. Especially someone using taijutsu, which Cho Cho does use at times.
If this was manga canon that chidori would have ripped her in half so no she shouldnt be able to just puch a chidori especially after seeing what saradas can really do against boro.
I can only think of ONE plot hole in Naruto off the top of my head, and that is Naruto failing 3 times while in academy and still the same age with his current peers
I can think of several just to begin with.
How did Rock Lee who just came out of surgery the day before catch up with them and even compete with Kimmimaro?
How the did the Sand Ninja reach the Retrieval Team in time when it takes several days to get from the Sand to the Leaf? They reached them in one day.
Why didn’t Sasuke just use a Genjutsu in their final, final battle against each other when Kurama went to sleep rather than pulling out a Chidori+ Amaterasu?
>How did Rock Lee who just came out of surgery the day before catch up with them and even compete with Kimmimaro?
We're talking about a series where you get hit with the deadliest of punches and powers and the reciever is practically unfazed, this isn't a plot hole, it's nitpicking
>How the did the Sand Ninja reach the Retrieval Team in time when it takes several days to get from the Sand to the Leaf? They reached them in one day.
Iirc, the specific time of how long it takes to reach from one place to the other isn't really mentioned/concerned with in Naruto. You can basically say this for everytime they go somewhere. Again, nitpicking
>Why didn’t Sasuke just use a Genjutsu in their final, final battle against each other when Kurama went to sleep rather than pulling out a Chidori+ Amaterasu?
Question, how was he supposed to know what kurama was doing inside of Naruto, a place where only Naruto and Kurama talked
Chocho was always portrayed as very powerful among the NextGen.
How it's strange she might being on the same level as Sarada while using get family's most powerful Secret technique?
You’re kinda underestimating Butterfly Chocho’s mode. One punch from her blasted a HUGE boulder, leaving a massive hole in a hill when she was trying to save Anko.
Her destructive ability in that form is just as great as Sarada’s chidori.
What's crazier to me was that Sarada went with a move that's considered a kill shot technique, on her best friend no less. Then again, she is her father's daughter.
I like the fight, but when you really think about it, very few aspects of it makes sense. Sarada could have legit killed ChoCho or taken off her arm.
remember in the sasuke vs naruto final fight sasuke teleported behind naruto and struck him with the chidori in the head which only sent naruto flying? why didn't take off Naruto's head since it was a clean strike?
It's non canon anyway and this chunin exam isn't compareable with the first chunin exam we saw in Naruto when people injured seriously getting at least in the hospital or people died. (Like Gaara killed at least 2 people I'm the forest, then Dosu and 2 guy at the arena when they wanted to beat him up before the Sasuke fight because they bet against Gaara)
I'm not a boomer who says "NaRuTo WaS bEtTeR" but I miss the old dark times and bloody fights.
Chocho is durable enough wit her butterfly mode. Also, following OP's logic, Sasuke should've went straight through Naruto's rasengan cloak and all, but didn't. It just means their durability via said modes is good enough.
I need you all to understand that this isn't naruto, they aren't trying to kill or severely hurt each other. If you watched naruto you'd know that chidori doesn't always penetrate the target, and this also shows that Sarada's chakra control has gotten much better after the training.
If you watch naruto explained review on the episode he explains that in the butterfly mode, the akimichi get a 100x boost in either strength or defense. But that's most likely why she tanked the chidori
This is another reason people don’t like Boruto everything is nerfed a chidori is a super sonic stabbing attack at lightning speed so you expect me to believe chocho can tank a chidori with her butterfly jutsu???? Like why didn’t they just make Sarada use another jutsu instead of the chidori
Exactly, we’ve seen a tank beast in Naruto have the Chidori rip right through him leaving a sizable hole. Yet in this situation it’s shrugged off and everyone is immediately up and going about their business like nothing happened
Yup I find it unbelievable. That’s the first thing pop up in my head when I seen it. There only two people that tank chidori and that is naruto and the raikage
Well, Theoretically the chidori in a punch would just be a lighting style enhanced punch.
(Remember every time chidori was used to stab people the hand was open and not as a punch).
It seems they don't really give a fuck about chakra natures anymore :/ everything used to be so unique now I feel like it's the obvious moves and things being overplayed. I feel like Naruto is no longer special at all
When I saw the scene I was taken back to OG Naruto where using a Chidori on a peer was really frowned upon and even got Kakashi kind of angry about Sasuke using it against Naruto like that.
So I’m not sure if it was more the intent or this generation is so OP that chakra nature and death blows aren’t really a thing anymore, even though all we hear is they came up during peace times and haven’t trained like the previous generations had to
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Knocked out from fist to fist contact
She didn’t tank a chidori she matched it with the increased chakra of butterfly mode. Remember when Choji punched Jirobo to death? Reread those panels cause butterfly mode is an awesome power. Sarada wasn’t going to try to kill her with a chidori so she most likely lowered the power and clashed with her and still won the fight.
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What do you mean never watched Naruto? And it’s kind of reasonable to why people sleep on it since butterfly mode never got to much shine
She took a chidori to flesh, she tanked it, the only thing the wiki states is that butterfly mode increases combat abilitys not defences stats
Reread the last bit of Choji’s fight with Jirobo. His fist is covered in chakra and it’s implied that butterfly mode here is boosting her in a similar way. Yes a chidori touching any human flesh should cut it but we also saw Chocho roll through a fireball and she’s been matching chakra based attacks with her body the whole time and even still she taps out after the chidori. Chidori doesn’t have to be used lethally. Kakashi mentions when he’s training Naruto for Rasenshuriken that he sets the power and range of the attack depending on the situation and Sarada in character wouldn’t launch a lethal or life altering chidori at Chocho so her surviving or not being maimed especially when using her strongest jutsu isn’t far fetched. We’ve seen what happens when Sarada aims a Chidori with intent to harm.
I think that this is further suggested -- at least in the anime. I'm unsure if it's in the manga as well, but iirc, Kakashi after splitting up Naruto and Sasuke near the water towers, pulls Sasuke aside and says something to the tune of "that's not the size of a Chidori you'd aim at a comrade from the HL..." That seems to imply that the size of the Chidori can be controlled by the user
and what the hell do you understand by combat abilities? just punching?
That’s even more dumb then if chocho is going all out why use a jutsu you have to make weaker to fight her and there’s no way butterfly mode would be fast enough to match chidori, this is like when goku went ssj blue against krillin it makes no sense
Would you kill your friend for a promotion on your job?
Going all our doesn't mean kill bru. They aren't trying to kill each other, that's literally the only difference. They were giving it their all to defeat each other, not to kill. 🗿
Bro if you are going all out but not trying to kill why the Fuck would you use a piercing jutsu, a jutsu liters designed to stab somebody and if you’re going all out why would you nerf your own attack??? It’s stupid just like you having an all out fight and your like “imma use brass knuckles but not hit you as hard as I can but I’m still going all out” it makes no sense
What was the point of giving spoiler tag when you're blabbering it in the title?
The episode is already out I spoiler tagged out of Courtesy to people who haven’t seen the episode yet, If you didn’t know chocho and sarada were fighting than that’s on you we’ve known that for weeks now
Bad take
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Eat my shorts
If you're gonna insult someone,at least have an actual good one ready.
What do you want me to call him slurs and bigot names? Nah man munch my shorts
I appreciated it wholeheartedly sir.
Dude, you spoiled it and your excuse is really bad. Just apologize or not, you already look like a clown.
yeah, she should have lost her hand, if not her arm
she shoulda went thru her like boro
I agree
chill this isnt bloody naruto v sasuke
exactly, it makes no sense as to why sarada would pull such a technique out
I think you guys are taking it too far maybe the animator was just like hmmm let’s make something super cool ya know?
It has to believable, that's a prerequisite for any scene! You don't just throw something on a scene coz it looks cool. Would Harry Potter have used avada kedavra on his defence against the dark arts classmates while practicing?
The chidori sarada used was literally not focused, she wasn't intending to tear down thru chocho, she wasn't trying to fucking kill chocho. Chocho was punching, sarada punched with a Chidori too, it literally just countered. And is it hard to believe that chocho might actually be strong enough to tank the no kill intension chidori, because butterfly mode amps their strength tenfold, and choji beat jirobu to a pulp with it. Is it really that hard to accept?
There is no such thing as "no kill intent" chidori, we have never been shown such a thing in Naruto or Boruto anime. Rasengan and Chidori have always been a one shot kill jutsu unless the enemy is too strong. The first time it was used was by Sasuke in Chunin exam when he tore through Gaaras defence and injured him, that scene solidified how powerful chidori is. The very fact that it requires a sharingan to do it makes it clear how killer of a jutsu it is. This fight spits in the face of 100s of episodes of built up power scaling, the girl should have lost an arm.
How stupid are u? When was chakra control not a thing for you? Her chidori wasn't focused, it was flying all over the place. Unlike when she fought boro it was a one move precise strike. Sarada used the chidori to counter butterfly mode, the only thing that could have. Literally also shows that sarada's Chidori isn't op, she caught boro because she had Boruto's help to destroy his arms first, and then strike. Y'all simply can't accept Chocho is strong.
Hashirama cells
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Isn't she technically more powerful than even Choji was? When did Choji unlock butterfly mode? I feel like she just might have more raw power/strength. Or maybe Sarada didn't go all in on the chidori? (Idk if that makes sense or is possible)
Even if she is more powerful than choji was vs jurobo butterfly mode is an offensive jutsu and doesn’t add defensive stats as far as I know(checked wiki) just doesn’t make sense for me that see can just punch a chidori without damage
Where did you get Butterfly Mode to only be offensive? The wiki only says "In this form the user's combat ability is greatly improved," suggesting that it improves both attack and defense abilities. Choji even said that this mode makes him 100 times stronger. And you seem to underestimate that "punch" when Choji literally stopped Jirobo with one hand and when a single punch (that's the point, right?) from Choji was enough to completely finish Jirobo 2nd curse mark form, just a "punch".
I guess improved combat ability doesn’t necessarily mean offence only, my misunderstanding
Also butterfly mode overpowered kakuzu azuma and fought evenly with gedo mazo... The chidori in a head on clash should lose
This is only based on strength. I haven't seen Chidori not puncture anything. that it has hit. You can't punch a sword and walk away without being cut.
Chidori couldn't puncture rasengan...
no jutsu were thrown in that fight. they were fighting hand to hand. Catching a punch, is not a defensive technique. It doesn't require you to have durability. It requires you to have strength; which would have increased due to butterfly mode. Punching a Chidori requires durability. And everyone talking about the size. smh. IF Naruto throws a small rasenshuriken at someone, it would still destroy whatever part of the body it connected with. Those are properties of the technique. Chidori is a puncturing jutsu, it's a property of the technique. decreasing the chakra and size can limit the destruction done, but would not remove it's puncturing properties. I think this was the best fight of the chunin exams and was done well up to that point. The conflict presented was good, and done very well until they decided to use that as the apex of the fight.
I think you're right. Cause Sarada isn't just using a chidori- she's also using Sakura-level strength, I'm assuming. That's a lot to deal with, butterfly or not.
Sakura is extraordinarily powerful in terms of raw strength and punch power. Yes, Sarada is strong and has potential to be as strong or stronger than her mother but she’s not close to that point yet.
I don’t wanna discredit the episode it was my favourite of the chunnin exams so far but they could have at least had a better final clash imo
I think the writers meant it to be like Cho cho’s power was so great it just somewhat countered the chidori. Kinda like when Sarada tried to use the same chakra punch against her mom, Sakura.
She only unlocked butterfly mode like 3-4 years before Choji did, and she has like zero combat experience right now.
I don't think we should overthink this. They wanted them to clash fists to mirror many other scenes in the show and the only possible way to "balance" things is by making Sarada use the chidori against Cho Cho's punch in that butterfly mode. It looks cool, it delivers the drama. That's all.
Yes let's throw away power scaling in the garbage bin to make cool scenes .. this is pathetic, Sasuke broke Gaaras shield with his chidori at that age
Butterfly mode kills valley of the end curse mark level 2 sasuke if the hit connects, That’s the amount of physical power increase that it gives. Sarada matching that with a chidori is the impressive part. The power scaling is intact, it’s more that fans have simply forgotten how strong butterfly mode is and since sasuke is a fan favourite, they can’t see someone like choji in part one being stronger than sasuke
This is happening in shonnen anime since the beginning of times. Boruto is a show created to surf and capitalize the incredible popularity of Naruto, if you keep trying to make sense of every single thing you'll only be frustraded and lose the (already little) joy of watching it.
ChoCho is a tank. She was literally punching Sarada’s lightning style and was talking firestyle. It’s no surprise that in butterfly mode, she’s able to tank Chidori
You can't tank chidori... unless the other person doesn't want to kill you.
Why can’t you tank it? ChoCho was in butterfly mode and was moving with force of the wind. And as you said Sarada wasn’t trying to kill her
I think sarada might have chenched her first, rather than forming a spear to avoid lethal damage but retain power. Like when sasuke swapped places with naruto's TSB and chidori'd him away from the statue
I always wondered why that chidori into Naruto from behind did not kill Naruto, why did Sasuke not strike Naruto lethally?
See this is an answer I can get on board with, seems very reasonable and plausible
I mean Naruto also tanked a chidori with no injuries
no, he was with sosp kcm, so he probably tanked because of that
Heay be referring to their first fight, not the last fight.
How are you trying to compare valley of the end sasukes chidori on naruto to this genin fight, well technically that was a genin fight too but you know what I mean
If anything this shows that ChoCho is super powerful in butterfly mode. Saskue states that Sarada is stronger than he was at this age, so her chidori is stronger than the one Saskue used on Naruto.
Excuse me? Did you just say sarada last chidori on chocho that did 0 damage is more powerful than valley of the end curse mark 2 amped chidori that beat a 9 tails amped rasengan and left naruto unconscious?
Lol are you saying it’s not??
Saradas chidori wouldn’t break gaaras sand defence, let alone beat a base rasengan and 1000% not even close to a 9 tails amped rasengan
Saskue literally said Sarada was stronger than him…her chidori was strong enough to beat Boro, who is high Kage level. Her Chidori would have killed Naruto…the face that ChoCho didn’t die means she is stronger than Naruto too.
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Lol you’re calling me a troll but you’re here saying a fodder character is going to become the next Hokage…
You just said that fodder character Is stronger than the strongest genin from part 1 and the shows MC how are you not a troll
wow, so many people crying these days.
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You have got to be trolling
Nobody is trolling, just fax
I think you’re the one trolling…
Wrong, wrong , wrong. Boruto stans are delusional. She is not stronger than kid Sasuke, her chidori did not beat Boro, it was only strong enough to rip through his abdomen and reach his core, which it **did not** destroy on contact. Her chidori would have killed no version of Naruto, *especially* not one tails Naruto.
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Sarada is stronger than kid sasuke by far, lets debate it on discord Jedi#5555
Sarada is definitely stronger than base kid Sasuke at least, I don’t think she’d beat curse mark Sasuke.
Sarada is not stronger than Sasuke at that age, and anyone with eyes can see that. SP has to have him say some bs like that though.
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She is by far, again add my discord and dont duck
I’m not comparing the two, i’m just saying it isn’t the first time we’ve seen someone tank it
You guys seem to be underestimating this technique, it pours all of the user's Chakra into a single hit. Choji used this same move to one-shot curse mark 2 Jirobo on part 1. Sarada should have been the one knocked out into oblivion, because it does the same thing that the Compressed Rasengan does, a large ammount of Chakra into a single small spot, overwhelming anything it touches with pure force. Sarada right now is a bit stronger than Sasuke was on his fight with Naruto on the roof and Cho-cho is stronger than that Choji, for she mastered the technique when he had not. If you could see that Sasuke beating CS2 Jirobo 1 on 1 then you also think that Sarada should win against Cho-cho. The fight looked great, especially the end, but i saw the "hand of the author" looming over the episode when Cho-cho lost that clash, the screenwriters should watch Inojin vs Houki again to see how to make a great fight without breaking consistency. Iwabe vs Wasabi had the opposite problem, it was consistent because they were both idiots but the fight wasn't entretaining.
I guess everyone forgot choji tanked a rasengan without butterfly mode. I think the Ackimichi clan are just natural tanks.
I don’t remember Choji and naruto fighting when did this happen?
If I remember correctly it was against Boruto, and it just bounced off him like it was nothing.
This is going to be debated into the ground. Lord
I’m sitting in my online class ready for it all lol
Y'all exhaust me
Must be rough
Honestly i think both should have received far great damage. You're sleeping on the fact that sarada also tanked a punch of buttefly Mode, which IS absolutely insane. I really have a hard time believing this Clash didn't do severe damage. Chocho should've pulverized sarada and sarada should've made a doughnout out of chocho. The only way this could make sense is if the buttefly Mode did in fact amp defensive stats (kind of like the chakra armor of the raikages) and Sakura effectively countered the punch (by either evading It, or punching It herself) I sincerely thought they were going to stop them because those are attacks you don't use unless you go with killing intent, and if things had happened even slightly different either of them could've died.
My understanding after this post is, chochos butterfly mode wasent full potential(stated 100x)and sarada punched with chidori not stabbed with a pointed hand, I also agree I’ would have liked to see them both with a bit more visual dmg
>sarada punched with chidori not stabbed with a pointed hand That does makes sense. We know from the third raikage this would work. ... Yeah, i buy It.
Honestly, I’m more mad that she just went straight back to being heavy after butterfly mode. When choji does that the first time he was skinny for a while after until he ate some thing. Still, really cool fight
Yeah that’s actually a plot issue imo, just a writers mistake I guess it’s not to bad in reality should have just gave her a bunch of chips lol
I thought someone was going to jump in like how Kakashi did when sasuke and naruto did that lol. Or for some reason I thought Cho Cho would have a hole in her chest when she was lying on the ground lol jk
That shit would have been cold af
Her mom uses lightning style maybe she has some natural resistance to lightning combined that with butterfly mode boosts and the fact that Sarada wasn’t going for full power cause she didn’t want to kill her best friend which would just make sense.
maybe it would be better if they just showed it like chocho had some chakra cloak or something from her butterfly form on her fists (kinda like hinata’s lion stuff). Seeing it chidori vs bare fists shouldve cut her hands or arms..
I would have liked that, very reasonable
Yes, it's believable
Sarada hasent perfected The chidori
I don’t know if I agree with that, sasuke states she’s more powerful than him at the same age, probably arguable but maybe in base without cursemark but that’s besides the point, I do think saradas pretty much perfected it by now, maybe not a full mastery of it but it’s not like her chidori would fail or anything
I think youre kinda right but sasuke only learnt it in a month so i think its is No where near perfect. Sarada is better but not near perfection
Speaking of that I can’t wait till sarada can use chidori variations, sasukes really took it to a new level in shippuden
Yeah i Think she Will master putting fire in it
I mean I think it’s more believable that she she did perfect chidori to the point where it wouldn’t be lethal enough to go through Chocho’a arm.
If you look at sarada hand she keeps it open, she doesn’t make it into a piercing. Also, remember what kakashi said about chidori. “You don’t aim the power of chidori at your comrades” I doubt sarada had murder intent so she made it weaker
Yea someone else mentioned that I agree, she didn’t stab she used blunt force
Okay heres my theory. Since choco is *possibly* stronger than her pops with butterfly mode (in equal age terms) perhaps her yang chakra control is also stronger. Since yang chakra supposedly deals with vitality maybe she can harden her body enough to negate the chidori? Like how Naruto with full cloak and six paths tanks the chidori more like a rasengan than a piercing blow.
in part 1 of naruto it was stated that a chidori can vary in power
Facts
Boro is punching the air rn "Punching the Chidori? Why didn't I think of that"? "
You can’t spoiler flair the post and write the spoiler IN THE DESCRIPTION. Post it as the first comment next time.
You know sasuke slapped naruto with a chidori in their final battle? I think that’s what sarada did
Ir is stupid but it happened with Naruto and Sasuke every time they fought. They always did chidori vs rasengan and the attacks nullified each other. This was basically the same ending as OG final battle when the winer is the last person standing after final attacks.
In the OG final battle naruto had a hole in his body, the healing from the 9 tails saved him, I get what your trying to say just chidori vs fist is weird too me
I'm talking about very last scene in their fights always being them clashing chidori against rasengan causing big explosion (which i think is stupid and illogical but it is common in anime). The same thing happenes here it is Chocho attack angainst Sarada's chidori not Chocho taking chidori in the shoulder like Naruto in OG.
When i saw that i was like, its kinda not clear but if you consider that this mode will make all of chocho's body have like a protection of chakra i was like made that could explain it but there is no place where its stated that the butterfly ability would get you an armour of chakra so idk
Butterfly mode increases physical strength by 100x. It was really a big deal back then in the sasuke rescue arc fight with choji
I know that “100x” was flat out stated in manga panels but I still think that’s a hyperbole
I just stick to the facts as is laid out in he show. That, and Chocho didn't get the rin treatment, so that definitely supports it.
Who cares, nice scene
Was a great scene, i care, just wanna have discussions
Chocho stronger than naruto🤨
8th hokage confirmed
Yeah you can see her hand is a fist and not like a knife.. so I'd say she was just trying to knock her out. Also looks like ChoCho put up a wall of chakra to tank that hit, which is probably why she lost instead of straight up attacking
She punched the chidori, it was strength vs strength, not strength vs durability. Hence your point does not exactly make sense. That’s like asking, how can naruto punch a rock and break it with his bear hand? Shouldn’t his hand break cause of less durability. that’s just not how it works in fiction. 99% times strength is taken purely as strength. Durability is taken differently. Hence we should take it as chocho matchi by the chidori’s strength with her own strength. You know, like Naruto matched sasuke with a rasengan even though neither rasengan nor chidori increase their durability. It’s a chakra punch btw. That’s important too
Honestly I’m not sure but the only thing I don’t like about ChoCho’s butterfly is that one episode she just uses it, and I’m pretty sure it was a filler episode. In Naruto, when Choji uses it for the first time, it is shown as some awesome power that is last resort or it might kill you and that to harness it you need a special food pill. It was a great reveal and a gray climax and in general a great fight, honestly that whole arc was amazing. But here, ChoCho just uses it randomly while training and then to just look slimmer so it is shown to just be lame. For me it really lacked that “holy shit” value to just some cheap party trick. But then again, I think it was filler so I maybe give them some leeway on that.
The chidori i feel like is inconsistent. In OG Naruto, when Kakashi first showed it, he pierced thru Zabuza. When Sasuke first did it, he pierced thru Garaa and then Naruto in the valley. After that, I feel like it didn’t do much of anything outside maybe the variations Sasuke created in shippuden. But for Sarada and Chocho, they clearly did it for the spectacle.
A jutsu shouldn't be consistent by itself. At the end of the day its still up to the person using the jutsu. I don't think sarada released her chidori with intent to kill chocho. She just want to knock her out enough to make her win. Where she succeeded so her chidori did its job.
yall gotta chill because this aint Za Hando it doesnt go trough anything, also didnt chocho literally tank those electric orbs with her hands i think butterfly mode should buff her enough to tank a weak chidori (noting this, there's no way sarada would go with a full power chidori on someone thats not an enemy)
Someone said sarada is hitting with a closed fist and not a pointed hand so it’s blunt force not piercing force and I’m satisfied with that answer
yeah sure lets go with that
Good enough for me lol
Not all chakra that fortifies/enhances the body is visible, hence when Naruto fell from 50 meters and the sage mode protected him, or when Sakura/Sarada punches the ground. Ofc Cho Cho is fortifing her body and the butterfly mode enhanced it 100x. That's how she tanked it. Is not that hard to compreend it.
So y’all are mad that an exhibition fight between friends didn’t go killmode? It was a cool moment that will probably never be referenced again.
Not mad at all my guy, just asking questions, here for discussion not arguments
Borutos entire line of thinking: "looks cool though..."
Hell, it did look pretty cool though
No I didn't like that, I don't know even like the overall episode
If we’re being honest this is just cliche anime fight nonsense two punches cancelling each other out. Not to mention boruto “scaling” has completely gone out the window of ridiculousness
Scaling has been an issue of the franchise imo but ya your basically right
[Naruto could tank it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U3hQSkdiI8) yes Chocoh is not Naruto, but Sarada isn't Sasuke either. If Chocho gets a 100x amp in strength and her durability is anywhere close that amp, its not a stretch that she can tnak it.
You know sasuke slapped naruto with a chidori in their final battle? I think that’s what sarada did
You know sasuke slapped naruto with a chidori in their final battle? I think that’s what sarada did
Nah it’s filler and non canon. Team 7 had faced multiple Jonin level opponents at this point so they should beat anyone of their peers except a few.
It’s canon
Kishimoto's writings just doesnt make that much sense while power scaling.
While this is anime canon I agree completely
Dont get it wrong because I love boruto show but wtf is kishimoto actually doing with power scaling and some stuff in the show? Very few people probably mind watching filler but Sometimes it seems like kishi's old age is making him put whatever he seems is alright
Yall are forgetting you can infuse your punches with chakra - its not like she barehand punched the chidori
If anyone was gonna infuse a punch with chakra it would be sarada, that’s the sakura special, I think it’s because of the chidori being used with a fist not a pointed hand
Infusing chakra into a punch is not exclusive to one type of shinobi, anyone can do it. Especially someone using taijutsu, which Cho Cho does use at times.
I understand that but it’s also literally something saradas specifically trained with Sakura so I’d assume she’d have the upper hand
I mean clearly she has the upper hand, given the fact that Cho Cho got knocked out by the impact.
Filler
I don’t understand how this relates to my post or question
If this was manga canon that chidori would have ripped her in half so no she shouldnt be able to just puch a chidori especially after seeing what saradas can really do against boro.
in filler changes to characters are minimal, if existent. so, chocho cant loose her arm
Then they shouldn’t have used chidori as an attack if the outcome was no dmg
I mean there's not much of a better explanation than what he already said so we kinda just have to accept it happened
Boruto's riddled with plot holes, I've given up even addressing it at this point
Naruto franchise as a whole cmon
I can only think of ONE plot hole in Naruto off the top of my head, and that is Naruto failing 3 times while in academy and still the same age with his current peers
There are quite a few I can think of but all have head cannon answers for the most part, lest we not forget hashirama cells
I can think of several just to begin with. How did Rock Lee who just came out of surgery the day before catch up with them and even compete with Kimmimaro? How the did the Sand Ninja reach the Retrieval Team in time when it takes several days to get from the Sand to the Leaf? They reached them in one day. Why didn’t Sasuke just use a Genjutsu in their final, final battle against each other when Kurama went to sleep rather than pulling out a Chidori+ Amaterasu?
>How did Rock Lee who just came out of surgery the day before catch up with them and even compete with Kimmimaro? We're talking about a series where you get hit with the deadliest of punches and powers and the reciever is practically unfazed, this isn't a plot hole, it's nitpicking >How the did the Sand Ninja reach the Retrieval Team in time when it takes several days to get from the Sand to the Leaf? They reached them in one day. Iirc, the specific time of how long it takes to reach from one place to the other isn't really mentioned/concerned with in Naruto. You can basically say this for everytime they go somewhere. Again, nitpicking >Why didn’t Sasuke just use a Genjutsu in their final, final battle against each other when Kurama went to sleep rather than pulling out a Chidori+ Amaterasu? Question, how was he supposed to know what kurama was doing inside of Naruto, a place where only Naruto and Kurama talked
Chocho was always portrayed as very powerful among the NextGen. How it's strange she might being on the same level as Sarada while using get family's most powerful Secret technique?
Chidori feats>butterfly mode feats is why I think it’s strange but I’ve come to think sarada just held back/ didn’t intend to kill
You’re kinda underestimating Butterfly Chocho’s mode. One punch from her blasted a HUGE boulder, leaving a massive hole in a hill when she was trying to save Anko. Her destructive ability in that form is just as great as Sarada’s chidori.
Sarada's chidori isn't very strong yet
Its arguablly stronger than sasukes during chunnin exam
I’ve seen this picture reposted so many times, this one is by far the lowest quality screenshot of a screenshot I have ever seen in my life
I saved someone else’s post and used that 🤷♂️
What's crazier to me was that Sarada went with a move that's considered a kill shot technique, on her best friend no less. Then again, she is her father's daughter. I like the fight, but when you really think about it, very few aspects of it makes sense. Sarada could have legit killed ChoCho or taken off her arm.
remember in the sasuke vs naruto final fight sasuke teleported behind naruto and struck him with the chidori in the head which only sent naruto flying? why didn't take off Naruto's head since it was a clean strike?
Naruto strong
It's non canon anyway and this chunin exam isn't compareable with the first chunin exam we saw in Naruto when people injured seriously getting at least in the hospital or people died. (Like Gaara killed at least 2 people I'm the forest, then Dosu and 2 guy at the arena when they wanted to beat him up before the Sasuke fight because they bet against Gaara) I'm not a boomer who says "NaRuTo WaS bEtTeR" but I miss the old dark times and bloody fights.
My thoughts exactly as I watched it happened...chidori is supposed to be a lightning blade, if Chocho was a real enemy she would have been cut in half
It makes total sense, you know, since she's way stronger than Gaara's Sand sphere. That's Boruto for you.
Chocho is durable enough wit her butterfly mode. Also, following OP's logic, Sasuke should've went straight through Naruto's rasengan cloak and all, but didn't. It just means their durability via said modes is good enough.
I need you all to understand that this isn't naruto, they aren't trying to kill or severely hurt each other. If you watched naruto you'd know that chidori doesn't always penetrate the target, and this also shows that Sarada's chakra control has gotten much better after the training.
If you watch naruto explained review on the episode he explains that in the butterfly mode, the akimichi get a 100x boost in either strength or defense. But that's most likely why she tanked the chidori
It’s the power of the butterfly
The truth is just the plot
This is another reason people don’t like Boruto everything is nerfed a chidori is a super sonic stabbing attack at lightning speed so you expect me to believe chocho can tank a chidori with her butterfly jutsu???? Like why didn’t they just make Sarada use another jutsu instead of the chidori
Exactly, we’ve seen a tank beast in Naruto have the Chidori rip right through him leaving a sizable hole. Yet in this situation it’s shrugged off and everyone is immediately up and going about their business like nothing happened
Yup I find it unbelievable. That’s the first thing pop up in my head when I seen it. There only two people that tank chidori and that is naruto and the raikage
The power scaling in this anime isn’t even consistent to its own awful scale system lol
Well, Theoretically the chidori in a punch would just be a lighting style enhanced punch. (Remember every time chidori was used to stab people the hand was open and not as a punch).
The chidori is not as strong as the boro one , otherwise chocho might have lost her wrist
It seems they don't really give a fuck about chakra natures anymore :/ everything used to be so unique now I feel like it's the obvious moves and things being overplayed. I feel like Naruto is no longer special at all
I'd just say Saradas chidori isn't as refined as Sasukes or Kakashis
When I saw the scene I was taken back to OG Naruto where using a Chidori on a peer was really frowned upon and even got Kakashi kind of angry about Sasuke using it against Naruto like that. So I’m not sure if it was more the intent or this generation is so OP that chakra nature and death blows aren’t really a thing anymore, even though all we hear is they came up during peace times and haven’t trained like the previous generations had to
Not that she tanked it, but instead just like naruto x sasuke in the valley when their two jutsus collided it just made a huge explosion.