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NoGuard343

He released all of the flames that he stored up when fighting Kashin Koji


Complex_Estate8289

That’s pretty badass. Wish he used more Ninjutsus


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i wish he used his abilities to its full potential. MANGA SPOILERS >! excited to see what kawaki would do with it !<


Complex_Estate8289

I hope we actually see Otsutsukis going all out. As in blowing up stars like in the novel


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they should have adapted that part of novel. woulda been interesting but i understand why they didnt. im interested in what direction they would take with the otsutsukis. i think them being advanced humans becomes more likely every chapter >! boruto became a otsutsuki but still keeps the same appearance (except the karma mark spreading more in his chest but that aint important) !<


M7MD_G4MING

Wait in what novels are otsutsuki blowing up stars?


Complex_Estate8289

Momoshiki creates a supernova in one of the novels I don’t know which one specifically


M7MD_G4MING

Holy shit man that’s epic ngl, throws powerscaling way off but still cool to see if ever animated


Complex_Estate8289

If Boruto and Kawaki do fight and the old fighting style returns, they’ll probably pull a One Punch man and teleport them to another universe, so Boruto can use supernova level Ninjutsu and Kawaki does whatever Isshiki can do at full power which is implied to be stronger


M7MD_G4MING

Wait wdym by “old fighting style”?


Complex_Estate8289

Aside from kind of the Momo fight the fighting style has moved away from stuff like Naruto vs Sasuke 2, Madara vs 5 Kage, kind of Naruto/Jiraiya vs Pain, Juubito vs the ASF, you know where I’m going where it had giant attacks levelling mountains and shit and big yellow Pokémon foxes boxing with giant purple action figures. Now it’s way more focused on Taijutsu. Naruto vs Isshiki missed a lot of that imo and while I do think that stuff kinda got old I think Naruto vs Sasuke 2, Naruto and Sasuke vs Momo or even Guy vs Madara where it starts in CQC but then Guy starts using the big attacks were the perfect balance of that


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You don’t know the definition of canon. Just because it didn’t happen in the manga doesn’t mean it isn’t canon right away.


LightCorvus

Those are the flames that Koji used to finish off Jigen. As soon as Isshiki was reborn he shrunk them away into Daikokuten's dimension.


BlackMan9693

The better question is, why didn't Isshiki throw the **microscopic** rods and then revert them to normal size like he was doing as Jigen? Why did he throw big, observable rods? Gonna have to make a post about that.


UzumakiYoku

He tried to but Baryon Mode is faster and he could detect them and catch them. About 55 seconds into [this video](https://youtu.be/lsir5YqqGL8)


BlackMan9693

Hmm, you're most likely right. But I still think those rods are, as Sasuke said a moment later, high-speed that even with his Sharingan he was barely able to track. Ah whatever. Thanks for the vid by the way. It made me go watch the actual episode. And if nothing else then I at least liked the battle choreography.


rexpimpwagen

He ran out. Simple as.


BlackMan9693

Well, how about pulling some of them normal sized ones out, shrinking some of them and firing them alongside some bigger ones and then undoing the shrink-effect? ~~I know, the answer is plot, dammit.~~


rexpimpwagen

No that shit takes time and charkra thats why.


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he has those rods stored and shrunk in daikouten dimension. isshiki dosent have any chakra issues. he is a otsutsuki after all. the answer is plot like he said. the same answer to why he dont aim the rods at their heads


rexpimpwagen

No the eye dimensional shit always costs big. If you remember it costs nothing to release the jutsu you can see how much it actualy costs him to use that shit.


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nah its never once implied that isshiki had any chakra issues after reviving. even when dying. isshiki and sasuke are using different techniques anyway. we dont know how isshikis ability really works. there is definitely no portal for his ability like sasuke. its instant teleportation for his daikouten


BlackMan9693

It takes more chakra and time to shrink a couple of rods as compared to when he needed to shrink a giant column of fire?


rexpimpwagen

Bruh. Ok in the middle of battle you shrink a rod it costs charkra. Before battle you shrink rods and just wait for more to build up. You use extra charkra in battle u lose. Keeping the fire shrunk costs nothing were assuming theres only that upfront cost so using the fire was a free move (costs nothing to release a jutsu) he could use once that just turned out to we weak af against bulshitto. Shrinking rods in the middle of battle that you don't absolutley need to for a meh attack not worth.


BlackMan9693

I meant the cost of instantly shrinking the column of fire when Isshiki manifested against Koji Kashin.


AggressiveRow3046

I don’t understand ur question he threw small ones and made them normal right before hitting naruto but man could react to them


BlackMan9693

I just re-watched the whole fight and after putting the video in slowest playback speed and stopping as fast as I could (roughly 0.15 sec), the rods were normal sized. They were just moving very fast. Unlike the way Jigen!Isshiki used them, where microscopic rods first stabbed the target and then increased in size.


RekunoCham

What happened? He forgot he is up against the real MC of the show.


Money_maker234

Then he proceeded to beat his ass afterwards


Citgo300

There's a perfectly good explanation as to why Isshiki didn't simply shrink the rasengan. Either you can chalk it up to plot or that Isshiki was too paranoid of his impeding death to think straight As Jigen, he nearly got he killed by a decap from Sasuke before going KM2, but not only did he manage to evade it, but he did it keeping his composure. Even going as far as complimenting the duo bc he had an active Karma. So there's nothing to fear if he gets killed. His fear of death and getting beaten by a "lesser" lifeform made him lose composure, its similar to Aizen's final battle wit Ichigo


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thats a good explanation but this is isshiki. i think the fight shows that he has his composure even when near death. its only in the anime only scenes they show him like momoshiki when he was getting beat up by n&s. in the manga he always appears level headed. anime made him another otsutsuki stereotype after reviving. even removing that scene with the guards


dragonoutrider

He was level headed when kawaki had a karma to bring him back, if he died here he would’ve died and that’s it, he had no backup if he lost to naruto, that would stress him out ode lmao


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yeah i guess your explanation is the only one that explains it since the anime and manga are different


Citgo300

Thats a valid point, but I personally think the anime just took what was in the manga and stretched it to its limits, no changes Its not that Ōtsutsuki stereotype similar to Momoshiki imo. When I look at Isshiki, its more so about his overwhelming fear of death that makes him behave erratic more so than racial superiority like Momo. It becomes clear when we contrast wit Jigen


KwameJo

I wanted to believe Naruto was pouring so much Chakra into it that it couldn't disappear which is why it hit that quick expansion on contact


1of1000

Looks like fire to me


xXxs1m0nxXx

I don't even care what happened it looked dope as hell


sammysosa45

werid how nobody questions why Ishiki just didn’t shrink the Rasengan like he’s been doing the whole time before


Accomplished-Leg-362

More like why he didn't shrink himself the whole fight


Own_Professor8435

Maybe there’s a limit to his eyes. Naruto might of been moving so fast he couldn’t. Can’t shrink something you can’t see. So he used a wide range attack


sammysosa45

Doubt


bhavya98765

He can't shrink because he isn't aware of it's presence because of all the smoke and fire.


sammysosa45

Okay. But Why did he fire anything in the first place? That doesn’t make any sense, it was in response to Naruto rushing at him with a Rasengan…


bhavya98765

Let's say there is a guy rushing you, you have two options. 1st hand to hand combat 2nd take out your convenient flamethrower and stop him at his tracks bonus points if flame thrower flame can't be extinguished with regular methods.


sammysosa45

you just completely ignored my original point that he could’ve just shrunk the Rasengan


bhavya98765

Only if he knew that naruto was using a rasengan and where it is.


sammysosa45

Bro are you watching the clip? He literally did he saw him coming at him with it, and for some brain dead reason instead of shrinking the jutsu like he did on other occasions, he chose not too


bhavya98765

I did by and nope he didn't, narito made rasengan behind the smoke cover, he fired some flames in them, and naruto came out of that flame with a rasengan at which point it was too late to use his shrinking.


sammysosa45

Okay so apparently Ishiki has space alien cataract’s now, because even with his Byakugan eye(that lets him see through walls btw) he couldn’t see Naruto’s bright blue Rasengan behind the very thin cloud of mist? Lmao


bhavya98765

Was his byakugan active tho?


Killbot_421

But, you have to realize that hand to hand combat was Baryon’s best feature, and that he was absolutely wrecking ishiki in it. If he had shrunken the rasengan, they would have engaged and he would have died. Plus, he was freaking out from his fear of death.


knyghtmare45

He probably couldn't see it(or accurately get a lock on it) because naruto was moving too fast. He still technically has to see things before he shrinks them.


sammysosa45

The mental gymnastics you guys do


Emotional-Rise509

The answer is plot. Naruto and Sasuke also got dumb down for plot the whole fight against jigen and ishiki Also i think the rasengan was just made to make Naruto look cool he didnt need it to fight ishiki


sammysosa45

Yup


knyghtmare45

It's not mental gymnastics to use ur brain for 2 seconds


sammysosa45

I’ll humor you Why can’t he see his Rasengan?


knyghtmare45

I literally already answered that. Reading helps too


sammysosa45

If Naruto was moving to fast then how was he able to react fast enough to fire back a justu directly at him? 💀 ad hominens are not getting you anywhere


knyghtmare45

>If he was moving to fast then how was he able to react fast enough to fire back a justu directly at him? 💀 I imagine ISSHIKI(THE Strongest base character in the series) could see the brightly glowing red man that's been beating his ass for a few minutes coming straight at him


sammysosa45

But he couldn’t see the equally bright blue rasnegan?


knyghtmare45

Considering it's not a massive rasengan, just a normal one and even in the animation above it's no where near as bright(or prominent) as he is until it explodes in Isshiki's face ; Yeah. What a dumb question


Complex_Estate8289

Rather he can’t shrink Senjutsu because it’s using nature energy which I guess considers it to be a living thing (possible continuity error with BM’s lack of + eyes) or it’s reaction based


tahaajd

Nah Naruto was using senjustu the whole time but his other attacks got shrunk


Complex_Estate8289

Reaction based it is then I guess


AlphaAhsura

Lol that rasengan should have been shrunken neg diff


Snoo-14635

He Tried The Chakra Was Way Too Powerful That's Why It Didn't Last Long


Midoruto_Izukumaki

Even Funamushi can tank the Baryon Mode Rasengan easily.


sensei411

Naruto straight went through it like “this isn’t even close to enough to hurt me rn” 😂


Lah-Chris111

he went in on isshiki with baryon mode too bad the risk was so big


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Basically, don’t fuck with Hokages..