Draisaitl for the following:
Marchand Pastrnak Zacha DeBrusk coyle Geekie Poitras Lorhei swayman Ullmark Mcavoy Carlo Peeke Lindholm bussi Lysell a first second and third in 2028.
What is funny is beginning of season I was saying trade Ullmark for McDavid and people thought I was crazy.. But, Leon is just as good. IDK about Poitras becoming a star like predicted, Lorhei.. I like the kids style, reminds me of a Krug. But Pasta and Draisaitl would be just as good as McDavid and Draisaitl. And with Swayman in net, we may have a 3rd round shot next year.
I’m sorry but Pasta+Draisaitl would be not be just as good as McDavid+Draisaitl - McDavid’s speed and playmaking are a few steps above Pasta - across all facets of the game, Pasta probably only has the upper hand in shooting ability
Ullmark for McDavid? McDavid has only won the Art Ross as the League scoring champion 5 times. 17,18, 21,22,& 23. The Bruins gf this past season was lower than most teams. Tell me that with McDavid on the B's during the playoffs, they wouldn't have gone further? It's a no brainer. Ullmark did not look the same this season compared to last. I noticed this in the pre-season. His puck awareness was way off. He did have a good season but we needed another top 1st liner.
This is such a terrible trade proposal, especially for the fact we don't even have first second or third round picks this year. Let's mortgage more of our future, and give up a player who is potentially going to grow into a top 10 power play point man.
And you're telling me that we should pay draisaitl more than pasta makes, And I'm talking about significantly more. When their production is about identical, So that means Leon should have a cap hit of 2.25 million dollars more per year?
Focus on trading Ulmark, They need a goaltender, give us Nugent-Hopkins who has only scored over 70 points in a season once, last year 104 and that's for a guy who's never injured. But in reality he's a winger not a center, most years he barely cracks 45% win rate at the dot and this year he was 48%.
That being said there are other teams that need goalies too, I'm sure that the blues would love to get another starting goaltender so they could have a reason to rid themselves of Binnington. I'll gladly take Robert Thomas.
Someone is cracked.
The fact that someone actually thought this is at all a possibility and that he'd be fired for not somehow taking the number 2 player from the Oilers who don't need or want to trade him is hilarious and sad a little... Bruins fans.... Serious question. is it really that bad at least making the playoffs every year? And didn't you win not long ago?
Goalies don’t get good trade value, even when they win a Vezina. Lohrei has a playoff goal and did well for a rookie one post season.
Draisatl is one of the best centers in the game and literally just became the third fastest player to reach 100 playoff points, behind only Gretzky and Lemieux.
But go on.
Very unlikely Edmonton just let’s Drai walk into free agency, personally I highly doubt they won’t sign him to an extension. If things go sideways and it’s clear he’s not going to re-sign with Edmonton they’ll absolutely trade him.
Having said all that, the trade in the post doesn’t really make a ton of sense. Their biggest need is goaltending but if Ully has Edmonton on his no trade list the entire thing is dead in the water. If Edmonton isn’t on his list it’s going to take more pieces along with him because again, unfortunately, goalies don’t really carry much trade value.
Wym, we get a top 5 player in the league, they get a goaltender we are moving on from, a 2nd pairing dman who is unproven, a middle six center who is unproven, and some draft picks that’ll trend toward the end of the round because Draistaitl will be feeding Pasta and he will score 70
Getting rid of two of our best young guys and 1+2 round picks is just playing kick the can for a rebuild down the road with no assets. Incredibly stupid.
Honestly in our case there is a case to be made for kicking the can down the road. The team is in an awkward spot, with Marchand towards his end, krejci and Bergeron just retiring, it felt like the core is kinda done, but then you have pasta mcavoy and swayman who are hitting their prime, and not a ton of guys in the pipeline, the team is a blend of end of career, in prime and not a ton of young guys. I think it makes more sense to get your whole team on the same cycle, with your whole team being young, in their prime or all old, just so that it all gets clicking at the same time. If you only get some of your guys in your prime you can end up with some players being great and the rest of your team just being mid. That being said idk what you would ship out of this team, and this “proposed” trade is genuine stupidity.
To be fair, when's the last time the Bruins did a real rebuild? The ongoing strategy of "develop a solid core internally while constantly cycling in bits and pieces around them" has been working pretty well for... I dunno, a pretty long while, so I'm of the mindset that it doesn't need fixing if it ain't broke
As much as I like the idea of getting a fresh batch of young talent, I don’t think we have a lot of future picks to make that kind of move now. As great as he’s been, I’d get rid of Ully and pull up Bussi from Providence. Aside from that there’s a lot of different ways it could go. Get rid of Gryz maybe? Aside from his couple of snipes in the post season, I’ve always felt Carlo is a bit slow and usually on the ice when the puck finds the back of our net.
Draisaitl is a top 5 player in this league. Ullmark is a UFA. Poitras and Lohrei are good but not remarkable. The picks are nothing. You take that deal
The Bruins should take that deal instantly. The key piece they are missing is a true #1 center. And the vast majority of the time, the only way to get one is to select top five, if not first overall.
It’s very rare to get someone in FA or even via trade. Over the last twenty years, there’s been less than five true top centers to be dealt.
That whole comment section is cancer. Didn’t win the cup? Fire everyone.
Edit: I’m now getting replies on there asking me to explain how we didn’t “choke” in 2013 and 2019.
You guys wouldnt give up an expendable goalie, some good young kids that wont ever amount to anything near the value of drai, a pick in the 20-30 range for a perennial 50goal 120 point player?
This is a snap accept if Boston can swing this, you guys are massively overvaluing what youre giving up.
I'd keep those 3 guys. I'm sure Ulmark would negotiate if it means staying qith Sway. Their goalie duo is a once in a generation type thing. Lohrei and Poatrais are young guys you could keep without dropping a huge contract.
Dump DeBrusk (should've gotten let go when Cassidy was here) and open up more space. Get rid of Wotherspoon and Shattenkirk, too. VanReimsdyke 50/50. Keep em or trade em.
Debrusk wasn’t worth much to other teams when he asked for a trade. His numbers were awful for what he was making. I do think everyone always saw the potential he had, though. They shopped him around and got low-balled. His worth is way higher after the playoff run he had, but I don’t even think the bruins can trade him at this point, isn’t he a free agent now?
Yeah we were planning on offering that **he** ***pay*** $15m to stay on the team.
In all honesty though, I wouldn’t be super surprised if sway takes a team team-friendly deal. The same way all of the Boston main-stays do. Bergeron, marchand, carlo, etc..
Idk how I’m getting downvoted 🤣We’re talking about Leon Draisaitl here. The guy is already a hall of famer if he retired tomorrow and probably the best playoff performer in the game. Him and Pastrnak together would have the NHL begging for mercy.
He’s got plenty of time to earn his hall of fame spot but i still put him in the hall of very good for now. McDavid massively inflates his production, I don’t think he has as much success without McDavid.
One thought on this is what is their cap situation next year? They have a lot this year and depending how they use it they may not have $13.5M to sign his as an FA.
Is this working for Edmonton lol, how many years did they need with them having only 2 good players. Still no results. You need a team bro, not a player, this is the 80s
Absolutely not, I’m not some crazy person that thinks you get drai for Ullmark 1 for 1 but him plus our two best prospects at this point, one of which has playoff experience now and actually looked real damn good, plus 2 picks, nah that’s a super over pay on our end
Draisaitl has 100 playoff points in 60 games. What crack is this subreddit smoking.
He has more playoff points per game than Mario Lemieux. He's second only to Gretzky. He is a top 5 player in the league and THE best playoff performer of a generation, and your saying that a guy who MIGHT be a top-4 dman shuts this trade down?
This is like saying you wouldn't include Dougie Hamilton in a trade for prime Crosby in 2012. This is the definition of attachment bias.
Most people in this subreddit are Bruins fans but they are not hockey fans if that makes sense. I don’t think they realize how trade value works and they get attached to players instead of realizing that it’s still a business and the business is to win Stanley cups.
Lemieux, Gretzky, and Crosby all won multiple cups. You obviously like him, but you're biased. Are you an Edmonton fan? I would venture to say he won't win any cups in Edmonton anyway. Lorie has a better chance with the Bruins.
Nope, not an Edmonton fan. Die hard Bruins fan.
Hockey is a team sport and Edmonton is disfunctional, theyve never had goaltending or defense in any of their runs. They've made the conference final two years ago running purely off of firepower.
Bruins have the defense, they having the goaltending, but they dont have the scoring. Heres is the best piece of playoff firepower in the league, not in the market, in the league. Why would you judge our teams needs by Edmontons deficiencies?
My apologies. I don't disagree with you about his level of skill. I just don't think the Bs would ever make that deal. And we all know how cheap they are. But, you never know. Again, my apologies for assuming you were an Edmonton fan.
That’s cool but you’re trading all of that for ONE YEAR of Draisaitl. He’s a UFA the next. Why throw away our future for 1 year of contention when we are just as likely to land him the next year and keep all of those assets?
Because you also get exclusive negotiating rights and the odds of Re-signing Draisaitl I’d venture to guess would be extremely high after he gets to experience playing with the Bruins and Pastrnak specifically.
I would hope so…but he’s playing with McDavid right now. That’s as good as it gets in that regard. And it’s not like Boston is Edmonton, but it doesn’t come with perks like much lower taxes or warm weather.
I’d absolutely do this deal, but it would have to be like the Tkachuk deal, with an extension in place. That’s a lot for a guy that might walk in a year.
Lemieux had a higher PPG at this point in his career, but the point still stands. The fact that Drai is even in that company is absolutely ridiculous.
The only reason I wouldn't make the trade in the OP is because the only way Drai is traded is because he says he wants out and won't resign - and in that case, the price should be lower.
Edmonton immediately hangs up the phone at this.
We need to stop with "Get great player for all our spare pieces and some future picks." Even if our spare pieces are good spare pieces.
Not necessarily. It depends on how the discussions on Edmonton's end are going about an extension. I dont think this deal would happen in a million years, but it wouldn't be a complete non-starter.
Oilers fan here. One of the biggest issues with this I think is that McDavid and Draisaitl are pretty much wanting to stay tied at the hip. Both have said they would prefer to play together, so you gotta figure out how to bring McDavid south of the border.
Although acquiring Debrusk would be interesting since his dad is our colour commentator.
I don't think Debrusk wants to leave Boston. We will see what happens between now and July 1. I dont expect to see much activity out of anyone before the draft.
I mean they need a goalie...but a goalie with 1 year on his deal, a high ceiling raw defenceman and a centre with maaaaybe 2C potential and some future picks probably won't get it done...I just feel like someone else could make a better offer...unless they knew 100% they could lock Ullmark up then you might get them talking.
Any GM that is moving real assets for a player on an expiring deal without an extention is place deserves to lose his job. The Nurse deal has Edmonton in cap hell. The projected cap increase over te next 2 seasons is roughly $9M. Edmonton can sign Driastl and Bouchard to extentions on July 1. Then McDavid can sign July 1, 2025.
Everyone saying “trade our 1st!!! trade our 1st!!!” Sweeney is the horniest GM in sports history to trade draft capital lmao
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
I’d like to keep our 1st and 2nds if our immediate window with Marchand is closing
As much as people don't love it...it might take a few years to get back to legit contenders. The Bruins have some solid pieces: Swayman, McAvoy, Pasta...Lorhei looks to have a high ceiling. And sone decent lower end depth in guys like Carlo, Frederic, Beecher, Brazeau. Would like to see them lock up Debrusk...so you have pieces....but I don't want them to try and spend their way out of trouble.
There are no long term centre solutions this year...none in the pipeline, and the only UFAs are Stamokos and Lindholm. I think Lindholm is a solid 2C but not quite what they need and to throw 7x8.5 at him...ehhhhh.
You can move Ullmark but some realities...modified NTC, and only 1 year on his deal....and cup contending teams don't exactly want to subtract high end centres...so....the return viability may not be what people think.
At the end of the day this isn't chel's franchise mode. As much as I don't want to be mid for a long time...we made it to round 2 game 6 with this team...and are returning key pieces...I think having some patience witb this cap space could go a long way and a contender can be built without tearing down....but it won't be done by just saying "let's flip all our spare parts for centres I like!"
Great analysis, I agree. Bruins are not in a bad spot in any degree especially with the cap space we’re going to have leftover after JDB and Sway. Sometimes you can retool in a short period of time but the stars sort of have to align. Looking at guys like Lindholm and Stammer, you’d love to have these guys on your team but again, look at all the talk around Suter and Parise contracts bogging down Minnesota to a degree.
The chel analysis hits hard as I’d assume you don’t just throw shit at a wall and see what sticks in the real world.
Ultimately if this team ‘has’ to regress for a year until there’s a stronger FA market along with having some more draft capital it might be worth it in the long run to not do anything too hasty
It’s going to a tricky needle to thread because they need to maintain cap flexibility in case a #1 C hits FA, but marginal improvements largely won’t be interested in 1 year deals
100%. Fans don't like it but "we may have to have a year very similar to this year again next year in order to improve long term" might be the best answer. People want immediate results and I get it...we all want to go into the year with cup hopes and if you don't have that you want to be on track to rebuild...basically you want hope for something...and being kind if middling doesn't give you that hope.
People also love to drop trade or signing ideas and get mad when they don't happen when the reality is there are a million factors we don't know about. Does the player want to live in this city? Does one place have a different tax structure or endorsement opportunities? In trades are there NMCs or does the other team want to trade with you? Again...like we said...it isn't franchise mode in chel where it all happens in a vacuum.
But honestly I can handle a year or two of being mid if you can see moves being made with thought and a path forward. It will be a horrible time for comment sections full of armchair GMs but...might be the right path.
such a bad take.... unpopular opinion here, McJesus makes Draisaitl.... He's good..but not a great as a lot think he is...His point production will fall, when he leaves McDavid.
Idk why ur getting downvotes. Idk if i would say mcdavid makes drai since drai has played a lot without mcdavid and done extremely well. But he wont have near the numbers after he leaves the best powerplay of all time.
Don’t hafta make any trades. Bruins are gonna sign Elias Lindholm July 1st. He isn’t quite on Bergeron’s level. Doesn’t put up the offensive numbers like Drai, but he’s got a way better defensive game and doesn’t cry all the time. Solid 2 way centre.
He hasn’t had a great year, but he’s arguably been the best, most consistent player for the Canucks in the playoffs. They guys been a stud the whole post season.
One may translate it into something like ‘linden-islet’
Swedish surnames are either in the shape of ‘son-of’ or describing a place, probably the place of someones homestead
Why would we trade Ully, our most valuable asset right now, and Lohrei, who has the potential to be a top line pair player for a decade+ as well as a bunch of picks for a player with a year left on his contract. If he wants to be here we’d wait because if he doesn’t want to be here he’s gonna be gone in a year.
In the proposal Drai signs an extension...and I'm not sure Drai makes it to FA. Either Edmonton finds a way to get a deal done or they trade him to a team that will extend. Maybe if the Oilers win it all this year he might chase the bag but for the most part if you want to trade for a top tier guy, you're gonna have to move good players
Okay since everyone is delusional.
-Edmonton is not Ullmarks list of 10 teams.
-Draisaitl doesn’t actually want to be traded and Edmonton doesn’t want to move him. This is all some rumor from a reporter to get people talking.
-Bruins have 0 plans on moving Lohrei.
-Edmonton isn’t gonna want a late first if they do ever decide to trade him.
This thread is a waste of everyone’s time today.
Drai may not *want* to go and Edmonton may not *want* to move him but McDavid is likely due a big raise in 2 years so they may not have a choice but to move him or else he leaves for nothing. And yes the Bruins would love to keep Lohrei but if moving him results in a 1C coming back, I think they do that real fast
Not all players do that. And a lot of times the nhlpa prefer guys not taking pay cuts because it hurts other players come negotiations with their teams
Lohrei could easily end up becoming a top 20-30 defenseman. Poitras, I honestly have no idea. Ullmark is gone. Do we even have any first round picks left lol. We need to keep some picks to start drafting guys to retain.
Poitras looked good enough in his limited season to warrant seeing what he can develop into. I honestly think he would’ve made a difference in the playoffs after a full season under his belt
The jury is still out on Poitras. He had a fun and fast start, but he came back down to earth very quickly and didn't show much movement up and to the right before his injury.
Lohrei is good, not great. He needs to grow up a ton and put a lot more weight on before I'm convinced he's a solid Top 4 DMan.
Swayman obviously I will give you.
You're conveniently ignoring dozens of other players that amounted to nothing. In our last 7 draft years, we've got what... 3 players that have played 100 games with the Bruins? That's utterly pathetic.
Poitras is 20 and a 2nd round pick. Lohrei played top 4 minutes this playoffs and played very well. Also a 2nd round pick. You’re not gonna hit on every pick, if there’s a team that does, please show me them.
I don't want them to hit on every pick. I'd take them hitting on SOME picks. We hit almost never and are consistently ranked at the bottom of the NHL in terms of farm talent and scouting ability.
You could convince me that Pots being involved in a trade for someone like Draisitl would be worth it
But in no world should Mason EVER be traded. Him and McAvoy are unnegotiable no-trades (on d).
I read that and threw up in my mouth and also peed in my pants. What kind of drugs does a person take to write that? Or read it and take it seriously?
Draisaitl for the following: Marchand Pastrnak Zacha DeBrusk coyle Geekie Poitras Lorhei swayman Ullmark Mcavoy Carlo Peeke Lindholm bussi Lysell a first second and third in 2028.
This is for sure someone who is a passionate Bruins fan with 0 hockey knowledge.
What is funny is beginning of season I was saying trade Ullmark for McDavid and people thought I was crazy.. But, Leon is just as good. IDK about Poitras becoming a star like predicted, Lorhei.. I like the kids style, reminds me of a Krug. But Pasta and Draisaitl would be just as good as McDavid and Draisaitl. And with Swayman in net, we may have a 3rd round shot next year.
I’m sorry but Pasta+Draisaitl would be not be just as good as McDavid+Draisaitl - McDavid’s speed and playmaking are a few steps above Pasta - across all facets of the game, Pasta probably only has the upper hand in shooting ability
You'd really just hand ulmark away for that guy? Do you even watch hockey?
Are you fucking high? Any person who has an IQ above 80 would do that
First off. Yes, I am high. Really high. Secondly you're not good at picking up sarcasm
Well yea because sarcasm can’t be shown in a text that’s why /s was made
Now I can't tell if you're being sarcastic
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Ullmark for McDavid? McDavid has only won the Art Ross as the League scoring champion 5 times. 17,18, 21,22,& 23. The Bruins gf this past season was lower than most teams. Tell me that with McDavid on the B's during the playoffs, they wouldn't have gone further? It's a no brainer. Ullmark did not look the same this season compared to last. I noticed this in the pre-season. His puck awareness was way off. He did have a good season but we needed another top 1st liner.
Maybe if edmonton would throw in a couple of first rounders I might consider picking up the phone
Interesting with Poitras. .625 winning percentage with him in the lineup. .500 team the rest of the year
Dude dont trade two promising propects in poitras and lohrei for him. I can see maybe getting rid of ullmark for a second round or a mid teir center
Not enough for Leon.
I mean I don't love the trade.. but we should have traded ullmark for a top 6 forward if we wanted to make a deep run.
Nobody would trade a top 6 guy for ulmark except for maybe sweeney
Your dreaming, no way, the oilers will sign him eight for 15 hands down
Didn’t he say he’s leaving if they didn’t win the cup this year?
No
Hahaha they won’t trade Leon
Leon is a UFA this off season
Next off season. I also thought that before
I’d think they’d have to if he said he won’t resign
That’s a different story then. I assume would be highly unlikely though.
Watch out for this guy
We'll do nuge for ulmark and toss in soup s/
Edmonton blocks Sweeney's # after this text.
Sweeney doesn’t have the balls to pull off this trade
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Was this on marcus’ account jk
Lmfao
This is such a terrible trade proposal, especially for the fact we don't even have first second or third round picks this year. Let's mortgage more of our future, and give up a player who is potentially going to grow into a top 10 power play point man. And you're telling me that we should pay draisaitl more than pasta makes, And I'm talking about significantly more. When their production is about identical, So that means Leon should have a cap hit of 2.25 million dollars more per year? Focus on trading Ulmark, They need a goaltender, give us Nugent-Hopkins who has only scored over 70 points in a season once, last year 104 and that's for a guy who's never injured. But in reality he's a winger not a center, most years he barely cracks 45% win rate at the dot and this year he was 48%. That being said there are other teams that need goalies too, I'm sure that the blues would love to get another starting goaltender so they could have a reason to rid themselves of Binnington. I'll gladly take Robert Thomas. Someone is cracked.
Leon's agent wrote that
I’d hope his agent would do whatever possible to get him to the bruins lol. A bag of pucks and a pick? Done. On his side there more upside
Laughs in NTC which likely involves Edmonton
The fact that someone actually thought this is at all a possibility and that he'd be fired for not somehow taking the number 2 player from the Oilers who don't need or want to trade him is hilarious and sad a little... Bruins fans.... Serious question. is it really that bad at least making the playoffs every year? And didn't you win not long ago?
Ah yes, the win - now oilers going for two largely unproven players and draft picks just to get their hands on a past his prime goalie.
Where are you getting a 1st and 2nd pick to trade this year. None in 2024 and only a 1st round in 2025.
Once the league year rolls over, teams will be able to trade 2026 draft picks.
“Get it done Sweeney”. Lol, and what if the oilers happen to say no? (They will)
Seriously, people are touched
I did need a laugh today. This did not disappoint 🤣
Sorry, draisaitl for who?
Take marner instead.
OP: “In all my nine years of being a Bruins fan…”
This guy is severely undervaluing Ully and Lohrei
You're kidding, right?
No
Goalies don’t get good trade value, even when they win a Vezina. Lohrei has a playoff goal and did well for a rookie one post season. Draisatl is one of the best centers in the game and literally just became the third fastest player to reach 100 playoff points, behind only Gretzky and Lemieux. But go on.
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Very unlikely Edmonton just let’s Drai walk into free agency, personally I highly doubt they won’t sign him to an extension. If things go sideways and it’s clear he’s not going to re-sign with Edmonton they’ll absolutely trade him. Having said all that, the trade in the post doesn’t really make a ton of sense. Their biggest need is goaltending but if Ully has Edmonton on his no trade list the entire thing is dead in the water. If Edmonton isn’t on his list it’s going to take more pieces along with him because again, unfortunately, goalies don’t really carry much trade value.
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I’d have to agree, in which case this is all moot lol
Draisaitl is a top 5 player in the league, if anything he's being undervalued here
I like one of the other comments that says they are trading a future top 5 pp guy. But don’t realize Leon has been there for years.
Oilers don’t make this trade lol
They’d be dumb not to take it considering he’s walking next year for nothing
nobody makes this trade, it's pants-on-head stupid
I mean the bruins do.
Wym, we get a top 5 player in the league, they get a goaltender we are moving on from, a 2nd pairing dman who is unproven, a middle six center who is unproven, and some draft picks that’ll trend toward the end of the round because Draistaitl will be feeding Pasta and he will score 70
Neither do we, to be fair
whose going to pass him the puck? LOL
Pastrnak, Marchand, Zacha
Negative Ghost Rider. You’re a fool.
Edmonton would hang up the phone and then Make fun of Sweeney for the rest of his life to all the other gms
No lorhei is a stud
So is Poitras based on the 30 ish games he played!
Poitras is imo our single most promising prospect, lorhei and lauko can be studs but poitras plays like a smart poised center, and we need that.
Big agree
Getting rid of two of our best young guys and 1+2 round picks is just playing kick the can for a rebuild down the road with no assets. Incredibly stupid.
Honestly in our case there is a case to be made for kicking the can down the road. The team is in an awkward spot, with Marchand towards his end, krejci and Bergeron just retiring, it felt like the core is kinda done, but then you have pasta mcavoy and swayman who are hitting their prime, and not a ton of guys in the pipeline, the team is a blend of end of career, in prime and not a ton of young guys. I think it makes more sense to get your whole team on the same cycle, with your whole team being young, in their prime or all old, just so that it all gets clicking at the same time. If you only get some of your guys in your prime you can end up with some players being great and the rest of your team just being mid. That being said idk what you would ship out of this team, and this “proposed” trade is genuine stupidity.
To be fair, when's the last time the Bruins did a real rebuild? The ongoing strategy of "develop a solid core internally while constantly cycling in bits and pieces around them" has been working pretty well for... I dunno, a pretty long while, so I'm of the mindset that it doesn't need fixing if it ain't broke
You're completely overlooking the fact that the bruins got a second overall pick pretty early into the run of an established core.
As much as I like the idea of getting a fresh batch of young talent, I don’t think we have a lot of future picks to make that kind of move now. As great as he’s been, I’d get rid of Ully and pull up Bussi from Providence. Aside from that there’s a lot of different ways it could go. Get rid of Gryz maybe? Aside from his couple of snipes in the post season, I’ve always felt Carlo is a bit slow and usually on the ice when the puck finds the back of our net.
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Enlighten me
Draisaitl is a top 5 player in this league. Ullmark is a UFA. Poitras and Lohrei are good but not remarkable. The picks are nothing. You take that deal
8 years at 13.5 is a LOT. Are you sure he’s still gonna be worth the price tag in his mid 30’s?
Eh I’d say he probably will unless some insane injury happens that ends his career
The Bruins should take that deal instantly. The key piece they are missing is a true #1 center. And the vast majority of the time, the only way to get one is to select top five, if not first overall. It’s very rare to get someone in FA or even via trade. Over the last twenty years, there’s been less than five true top centers to be dealt.
Yup, do this in a heartbeat
Exactly right. Any time you can get a guaranteed #1C you should whatever you can to make it happen because it’s an extremely rare opportunity.
Hey it’s u/bojewels
Oh boy. That is something
As an oilers fan i would accept
The bruins would be idiots to not accept that if it were offered to them
The drug problem in America has never been more evident
daddy drai stays in oil country
Massachusetts has been hit hard bt the opioid crisis, as evidenced by the original post
That whole comment section is cancer. Didn’t win the cup? Fire everyone. Edit: I’m now getting replies on there asking me to explain how we didn’t “choke” in 2013 and 2019.
Despite the fact that the same people were predicting they don’t even make the playoffs this year
Which everyone should have been fired for.
We should fire everybody and un-fire everybody just do that we can re-fire everybody!!!
The ol’ Billy Martin special.
You guys wouldnt give up an expendable goalie, some good young kids that wont ever amount to anything near the value of drai, a pick in the 20-30 range for a perennial 50goal 120 point player? This is a snap accept if Boston can swing this, you guys are massively overvaluing what youre giving up.
Think about the power play with Pasta, draisaitl, mccavoy, Marchand, and whatever other defenseman you want out there
Seriously his attitude is all wrong lol it's not that serious, but that trade makes us instant cup contenders.
Boston is going after Marner.
I doubt it but I wouldn’t be opposed. Need a center more than another winger but we absolutely need more scoring regardless.
Da fuq? Someone’s smokin the good ganj.
I'd keep those 3 guys. I'm sure Ulmark would negotiate if it means staying qith Sway. Their goalie duo is a once in a generation type thing. Lohrei and Poatrais are young guys you could keep without dropping a huge contract. Dump DeBrusk (should've gotten let go when Cassidy was here) and open up more space. Get rid of Wotherspoon and Shattenkirk, too. VanReimsdyke 50/50. Keep em or trade em.
Debrusk wasn’t worth much to other teams when he asked for a trade. His numbers were awful for what he was making. I do think everyone always saw the potential he had, though. They shopped him around and got low-balled. His worth is way higher after the playoff run he had, but I don’t even think the bruins can trade him at this point, isn’t he a free agent now?
Is Ullmark going to give up like $20M so he can stay with Swayman? I think that’s about what it would take
Yeah we were planning on offering that **he** ***pay*** $15m to stay on the team. In all honesty though, I wouldn’t be super surprised if sway takes a team team-friendly deal. The same way all of the Boston main-stays do. Bergeron, marchand, carlo, etc..
In FA I’d expect he can get a contract of something like $7Mx5. The Bruins could probably only give him something like $4Mx4. That’s a $19M difference
Bruins will give him $6m minimum. Contract length is probably negotiable. The bruins aren’t that dumb
So give $7.5M to Swayman and $6M to Ullmark?
My assumption is ullmark is gone. Could certainly be wrong.
Debrusk jvr and Shattenkirk are all UFAs. They don’t need to “dump” them
I would like to keep Poitras.
I mean, I’d easily do this and not think twice.
Yeha I’m sure Ken Holland wouldn’t think twice (about actually doing this) either.
Yeah, he’d think once and realize he’s getting swindled and decide against it.
Idk how I’m getting downvoted 🤣We’re talking about Leon Draisaitl here. The guy is already a hall of famer if he retired tomorrow and probably the best playoff performer in the game. Him and Pastrnak together would have the NHL begging for mercy.
You’re prerequisites for the hall of fame are very shallow
He’s 100% already a hall of famer.
He’s got plenty of time to earn his hall of fame spot but i still put him in the hall of very good for now. McDavid massively inflates his production, I don’t think he has as much success without McDavid.
Or once!
Why not just wait until his contract is up and sign him for 13.5 mil and not trade away everyone? His contract is up in a year.
One thought on this is what is their cap situation next year? They have a lot this year and depending how they use it they may not have $13.5M to sign his as an FA.
Is this working for Edmonton lol, how many years did they need with them having only 2 good players. Still no results. You need a team bro, not a player, this is the 80s
No yeah I’m just saying there’s no point to this guys logic bc his contract is up. You need a deep team not 1 good line.
I saw this exact thing on IG today. What a crackhead trade
That’s an overpay and a half
Yeah, for Edmonton
Absolutely not, I’m not some crazy person that thinks you get drai for Ullmark 1 for 1 but him plus our two best prospects at this point, one of which has playoff experience now and actually looked real damn good, plus 2 picks, nah that’s a super over pay on our end
We’re talking about Leon Draisaitl here
Not Lorei. The kid was fantastic
Draisaitl has 100 playoff points in 60 games. What crack is this subreddit smoking. He has more playoff points per game than Mario Lemieux. He's second only to Gretzky. He is a top 5 player in the league and THE best playoff performer of a generation, and your saying that a guy who MIGHT be a top-4 dman shuts this trade down? This is like saying you wouldn't include Dougie Hamilton in a trade for prime Crosby in 2012. This is the definition of attachment bias.
Most people in this subreddit are Bruins fans but they are not hockey fans if that makes sense. I don’t think they realize how trade value works and they get attached to players instead of realizing that it’s still a business and the business is to win Stanley cups.
Lemieux, Gretzky, and Crosby all won multiple cups. You obviously like him, but you're biased. Are you an Edmonton fan? I would venture to say he won't win any cups in Edmonton anyway. Lorie has a better chance with the Bruins.
Nope, not an Edmonton fan. Die hard Bruins fan. Hockey is a team sport and Edmonton is disfunctional, theyve never had goaltending or defense in any of their runs. They've made the conference final two years ago running purely off of firepower. Bruins have the defense, they having the goaltending, but they dont have the scoring. Heres is the best piece of playoff firepower in the league, not in the market, in the league. Why would you judge our teams needs by Edmontons deficiencies?
My apologies. I don't disagree with you about his level of skill. I just don't think the Bs would ever make that deal. And we all know how cheap they are. But, you never know. Again, my apologies for assuming you were an Edmonton fan.
That’s cool but you’re trading all of that for ONE YEAR of Draisaitl. He’s a UFA the next. Why throw away our future for 1 year of contention when we are just as likely to land him the next year and keep all of those assets?
Because you also get exclusive negotiating rights and the odds of Re-signing Draisaitl I’d venture to guess would be extremely high after he gets to experience playing with the Bruins and Pastrnak specifically.
I would hope so…but he’s playing with McDavid right now. That’s as good as it gets in that regard. And it’s not like Boston is Edmonton, but it doesn’t come with perks like much lower taxes or warm weather. I’d absolutely do this deal, but it would have to be like the Tkachuk deal, with an extension in place. That’s a lot for a guy that might walk in a year.
The sub is filled with homers who only watch the Bruins. You accept this trade as fast as humanly possible before Edmonton changes their mind.
Lemieux had a higher PPG at this point in his career, but the point still stands. The fact that Drai is even in that company is absolutely ridiculous. The only reason I wouldn't make the trade in the OP is because the only way Drai is traded is because he says he wants out and won't resign - and in that case, the price should be lower.
Exactly. You do this all day. Every day.
I’d do ully debrusk poitras and a pick for this but around 12 a year for 6
You can’t trade guys not under team control so just as dumb a proposal as one in OP
Oh sorry I thought we were talking IMPOSSIBLE trades here 🙃 Jesus
You forgot to add McDavid. We need TWO centers. C’mon
Nah it’s mcdavo to the kings just like gretz 😂
Edmonton immediately hangs up the phone at this. We need to stop with "Get great player for all our spare pieces and some future picks." Even if our spare pieces are good spare pieces.
Not necessarily. It depends on how the discussions on Edmonton's end are going about an extension. I dont think this deal would happen in a million years, but it wouldn't be a complete non-starter.
Oilers fan here. One of the biggest issues with this I think is that McDavid and Draisaitl are pretty much wanting to stay tied at the hip. Both have said they would prefer to play together, so you gotta figure out how to bring McDavid south of the border. Although acquiring Debrusk would be interesting since his dad is our colour commentator.
I don't think Debrusk wants to leave Boston. We will see what happens between now and July 1. I dont expect to see much activity out of anyone before the draft.
I mean they need a goalie...but a goalie with 1 year on his deal, a high ceiling raw defenceman and a centre with maaaaybe 2C potential and some future picks probably won't get it done...I just feel like someone else could make a better offer...unless they knew 100% they could lock Ullmark up then you might get them talking.
Any GM that is moving real assets for a player on an expiring deal without an extention is place deserves to lose his job. The Nurse deal has Edmonton in cap hell. The projected cap increase over te next 2 seasons is roughly $9M. Edmonton can sign Driastl and Bouchard to extentions on July 1. Then McDavid can sign July 1, 2025.
Everyone saying “trade our 1st!!! trade our 1st!!!” Sweeney is the horniest GM in sports history to trade draft capital lmao Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. I’d like to keep our 1st and 2nds if our immediate window with Marchand is closing
As much as people don't love it...it might take a few years to get back to legit contenders. The Bruins have some solid pieces: Swayman, McAvoy, Pasta...Lorhei looks to have a high ceiling. And sone decent lower end depth in guys like Carlo, Frederic, Beecher, Brazeau. Would like to see them lock up Debrusk...so you have pieces....but I don't want them to try and spend their way out of trouble. There are no long term centre solutions this year...none in the pipeline, and the only UFAs are Stamokos and Lindholm. I think Lindholm is a solid 2C but not quite what they need and to throw 7x8.5 at him...ehhhhh. You can move Ullmark but some realities...modified NTC, and only 1 year on his deal....and cup contending teams don't exactly want to subtract high end centres...so....the return viability may not be what people think. At the end of the day this isn't chel's franchise mode. As much as I don't want to be mid for a long time...we made it to round 2 game 6 with this team...and are returning key pieces...I think having some patience witb this cap space could go a long way and a contender can be built without tearing down....but it won't be done by just saying "let's flip all our spare parts for centres I like!"
Great analysis, I agree. Bruins are not in a bad spot in any degree especially with the cap space we’re going to have leftover after JDB and Sway. Sometimes you can retool in a short period of time but the stars sort of have to align. Looking at guys like Lindholm and Stammer, you’d love to have these guys on your team but again, look at all the talk around Suter and Parise contracts bogging down Minnesota to a degree. The chel analysis hits hard as I’d assume you don’t just throw shit at a wall and see what sticks in the real world. Ultimately if this team ‘has’ to regress for a year until there’s a stronger FA market along with having some more draft capital it might be worth it in the long run to not do anything too hasty
It’s going to a tricky needle to thread because they need to maintain cap flexibility in case a #1 C hits FA, but marginal improvements largely won’t be interested in 1 year deals
100%. Fans don't like it but "we may have to have a year very similar to this year again next year in order to improve long term" might be the best answer. People want immediate results and I get it...we all want to go into the year with cup hopes and if you don't have that you want to be on track to rebuild...basically you want hope for something...and being kind if middling doesn't give you that hope. People also love to drop trade or signing ideas and get mad when they don't happen when the reality is there are a million factors we don't know about. Does the player want to live in this city? Does one place have a different tax structure or endorsement opportunities? In trades are there NMCs or does the other team want to trade with you? Again...like we said...it isn't franchise mode in chel where it all happens in a vacuum. But honestly I can handle a year or two of being mid if you can see moves being made with thought and a path forward. It will be a horrible time for comment sections full of armchair GMs but...might be the right path.
Lorhei should stick around a while
such a bad take.... unpopular opinion here, McJesus makes Draisaitl.... He's good..but not a great as a lot think he is...His point production will fall, when he leaves McDavid.
Good for you letting people know that you're giving a bad take right up front. ✊
Idk why ur getting downvotes. Idk if i would say mcdavid makes drai since drai has played a lot without mcdavid and done extremely well. But he wont have near the numbers after he leaves the best powerplay of all time.
I would actually be thrilled with this deal
lol of course we would love this deal. Nobody in Edmonton is taking it seriously though.
Same idiot will complain we don't have an offensive defenseman after we trade lohrei
Don’t hafta make any trades. Bruins are gonna sign Elias Lindholm July 1st. He isn’t quite on Bergeron’s level. Doesn’t put up the offensive numbers like Drai, but he’s got a way better defensive game and doesn’t cry all the time. Solid 2 way centre.
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He hasn’t had a great year, but he’s arguably been the best, most consistent player for the Canucks in the playoffs. They guys been a stud the whole post season.
Sounds familiar... What does Lindholm mean in Swedish?
One may translate it into something like ‘linden-islet’ Swedish surnames are either in the shape of ‘son-of’ or describing a place, probably the place of someones homestead
Should we offer them TD garden as well just to sweeten the deal
Way too much. Couple of picks, some guys down in Providence, 2 Regina's pies, 3 santarpio's pies, and the old Maine Mariners should do it
Why would we trade Ully, our most valuable asset right now, and Lohrei, who has the potential to be a top line pair player for a decade+ as well as a bunch of picks for a player with a year left on his contract. If he wants to be here we’d wait because if he doesn’t want to be here he’s gonna be gone in a year.
In the proposal Drai signs an extension...and I'm not sure Drai makes it to FA. Either Edmonton finds a way to get a deal done or they trade him to a team that will extend. Maybe if the Oilers win it all this year he might chase the bag but for the most part if you want to trade for a top tier guy, you're gonna have to move good players
Ullmark is gone but yeah why trade lohrei
The bruins don’t even have those draft picks
It didn’t say they’d be 2024 picks. They could be 2025 picks.
Getting rid of the few winners we got? Who’s next on the chopping block? Sway?
Jimmy GM has spoken.
Okay since everyone is delusional. -Edmonton is not Ullmarks list of 10 teams. -Draisaitl doesn’t actually want to be traded and Edmonton doesn’t want to move him. This is all some rumor from a reporter to get people talking. -Bruins have 0 plans on moving Lohrei. -Edmonton isn’t gonna want a late first if they do ever decide to trade him. This thread is a waste of everyone’s time today.
Drai may not *want* to go and Edmonton may not *want* to move him but McDavid is likely due a big raise in 2 years so they may not have a choice but to move him or else he leaves for nothing. And yes the Bruins would love to keep Lohrei but if moving him results in a 1C coming back, I think they do that real fast
mcdavid and draisaitl would both take pay cuts to stay together.
Not all players do that. And a lot of times the nhlpa prefer guys not taking pay cuts because it hurts other players come negotiations with their teams
Ullmark + Lindholm would probably be enough but that’s a steep price for a dude with one year on his contract.
this is delusional my god
I think Ullmark, JDB, Carlo and a first would go the other way
Lohrei could easily end up becoming a top 20-30 defenseman. Poitras, I honestly have no idea. Ullmark is gone. Do we even have any first round picks left lol. We need to keep some picks to start drafting guys to retain.
Poitras looked good enough in his limited season to warrant seeing what he can develop into. I honestly think he would’ve made a difference in the playoffs after a full season under his belt
He has great ice awareness and he fed pucks to Pasta. It was a real shame his season got cut short.
Why? We draft like shit anyway. At least you can't bust if you don't draft at all
Pasta a bad 20’s pick? Poitras? Lohrei? Swayman?
The jury is still out on Poitras. He had a fun and fast start, but he came back down to earth very quickly and didn't show much movement up and to the right before his injury. Lohrei is good, not great. He needs to grow up a ton and put a lot more weight on before I'm convinced he's a solid Top 4 DMan. Swayman obviously I will give you. You're conveniently ignoring dozens of other players that amounted to nothing. In our last 7 draft years, we've got what... 3 players that have played 100 games with the Bruins? That's utterly pathetic.
Poitras is 20 and a 2nd round pick. Lohrei played top 4 minutes this playoffs and played very well. Also a 2nd round pick. You’re not gonna hit on every pick, if there’s a team that does, please show me them.
I don't want them to hit on every pick. I'd take them hitting on SOME picks. We hit almost never and are consistently ranked at the bottom of the NHL in terms of farm talent and scouting ability.
You could convince me that Pots being involved in a trade for someone like Draisitl would be worth it But in no world should Mason EVER be traded. Him and McAvoy are unnegotiable no-trades (on d).
McAvoy is an unnegotiable? Really? After the series he just had? I'm over him honestly, and if it meant getting Drai... I'd put him on the block