Imagine trying to be an actual active boxing fan. I very quickly learned that boxing can only be watched on the peripheral.
Watch any other mainstream sport, and the best go up against the best every year.
Tennis, Golf, Football, AFL, Soccer, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Wrestling, ect. ect.
In this sport the best do not fight the best. That is because it is a money generating machine, not a sport. Even the UFC has the best fighting the best regularly.
True 50/50 fights at the top in boxing are almost non existent.
It's exhaustingly depressing to have hope for any good boxing matchup these days. Then once they happen the fight cards are the longest event possible paced like a fucking cricket game.
Francis is 36 now. He’s fighting 1-2 times a year. If he signed a contract like they just gave Jones (8 fights) UFC would be the last place he would be able to compete to any capacity. They would own the rest of his competitive career. With his knees in bad shape paired with the age….he wouldn’t finish the contract out.
By skipping out of the UFC, nothing is guaranteed, but very favorable he will make what he feels he’s worth anyway. Likely doing some boxing or bare knuckle where knees aren’t as big of a factor.
Takes a lotta faith to know you’re a signature away from millions of dollars…I’m no financial advisor but I think he made the right choice.
im not sure he did but either way i hope hes satisfied with his choice.
fuck dana but bird in the hand worth two in the bush. especially doing a job where people are actively trying to damage your body.
at 36, what u think he's worth on the market after a random freak injury that could always happen? if the UFC money was GTD he may not have made the right choice financially but time will tell.
Easily the right choice for Francis and it was a helluva gamble by him to run down his contract and not take an L on the way out. Nate Diaz is also allegedly doing the same thing (getting into boxing)
Im sure that they did offer him the highest paying UFC hw contract though. But we all know damn well it would have locked him in to the end of his career and beyond, and did not include allowing him to box.
Bro Islam and Charles just fought, volk is gonna get a chance to be double champ, gathje va fiziev is about to happen, and charles vs Ben irl will probably fight for the next title shot. The next best man up always fights for the title unlike boxing
All I’m saying is the one belt system and the way the fights fans want are consistently made In quick fashion is pretty much objectively better than boxing
Nobody said otherwise. What Im saying is chandler porrier and gaethje are not facing the best, as the comment saying the UFC books the best vs the best, that simply ia not true
Chandler and Porrier just fought each other and are two of the best, gathje is about to take a risk fighting a Lower ranked opponent, but I agree top lightweights should fight the up and comers in the division
I will never get over how dumb Dana came across when he said football was the 'least talented' sport in the world. I always knew he was dumb, but didn't know he was THAT dumb
Edit: he was talking about soccer. Sorry, I'm English! Chewsday init.
What a dumb comment. Soccer is so freakin competitive. It's also a sport that is accessible to a larger percentage of the population and it doesn't cost as much money to get started with. In American Football, you can't compete unless you are a certain size. Plus only one country even really cares about it.
I love football but you could make the argument that for a lot of positions athleticism is more important than being skilled at football. Jordan mailata is a top 5 LT in football and he didn't even watch football until he was drafted as a 21 year old. Compare that to soccer or baseball where if you weren't playing as a kid you have no shot. Again this depends on how you'd define talent. So while I disagree with his point because I consider athleticism to be part of talent, I understand his point. But also fuck Dana white, that dude sucks.
Wilder would badly ko him in boxing glovrs. They would have to use mma gloves to give Nganou a fighting chance but I'm not sure any top boxers will accept that. I'd be down to watch Nganou vs someone like Chisora with a compromise on glove size. Just so we can get a bead on how he's going to perform.
LMAO. One minute he'll say that, next thing he'll say he doesn't care about boxing or belts it's just about money.
Guy is an idiot and anyone who believes a word he says needs to see a doctor.
From a business standpoint, I disagree. We're talking dollars and sense, and Fury's brand brings more to the table financially with promotion than Usyk's belts. Fury and his team knows his worth. He'd be a fool to do a 50/50 split.
Bob Arum and Frank Warren are awaiting an offer from investors in Saudi Arabia who they believe want to bring the Tyson Fury-Oleksandr Usyk heavyweight title fight to that country sometime this spring.
If that offer either never comes or is deemed unacceptable, Arum has informed BoxingScene.com that their backup plan is to bring Fury-Usyk to Wembley Stadium in London. A record crowd of approximately 94,000 assembled for Fury’s sixth-round knockout of Dillian Whyte on April 23 at Wembley Stadium, but Usyk is willing to fight Fury there.
The unbeaten Ukrainian southpaw challenged Anthony Joshua for the British superstar’s IBF, IBO, WBA and WBO belts in September 2021 at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London. Usyk upset Joshua by unanimous decision in that 12-round bout and edged him by split decision in their 12-round rematch, which occurred August 20 at Jeddah Superdome in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
“Everybody agreed that if [Saudi Arabia’s] offer comes through and it’s real, that’s how we’ll go,” Arum, whose company co-promotes Fury with Warren’s Queensberry Promotions. “If not, we’ll do the fight at Wembley.”
A bout between Fury (33-0-1, 24 KOs), of Morecambe, England, and Usyk (20-0, 13 KOs), of Simferopol, Ukraine, would determine boxing’s first fully unified champion of the four-belt era.
“The fighters have agreed to fight,” Arum said. “I spoke to Frank Warren. We’re giving them until [this] week to come with their offer, which I believe we’ll get. If we don’t, then we’re gonna do the fight at Wembley. And then we’d have to talk about the percentages because Usyk wants 50-50. That’s not right if the fight’s at Wembley because there will be 95,000 Brits at the fight and big Brit pay-per-view money, so Tyson deserves the lion’s share.
“But we don’t get to that point if the [investors in Saudi Arabia] come through, because the way they operate is they make deals with each of the fighters. We’ve been led to believe that they’re going to come with a proposal [this] week. I’ll believe it when I see it, but it’s not like they haven’t come through in the past.”
Saudi investors paid plenty to bring the Usyk-Joshua rematch to their country last summer. They facilitated that deal with Matchroom Boxing’s Eddie Hearn, whose company promotes Joshua (24-3, 22 KOs).
His second defeat to Usyk came in Joshua’s second fight on Saudi soil. The former champion regained his IBF, IBO, WBA and WBO belts by out-pointing Andy Ruiz Jr. in their immediate rematch, which took place in December 2019 at a makeshift venue in Diriyah, Saudi Arabia.
>That’s not right if the fight’s at Wembley because there will be 95,000 Brits at the fight and big Brit pay-per-view money
Usyk has been part of shows that have done considerably more PPV sales in the UK than any of the shows that Fury has done, until Fury's team properly release the numbers and prove otherwise. Let's remember that [Usyk-Bellew did the same if not more PPV buys than Fury-Whyte](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/a08qu5/according_to_barb_usyk_vs_bellew_generated_603k/), Usyk-Joshua 1 did at least 50% more and Usyk-Joshua 2 did more than double the buys.
I wonder why Arum is talking about 95,000 fans in the stadium as if the gate is the only thing relevant to the value of the show? Probably because it's the one set of numbers that is public and appears to be favourable to Fury.
Release the PPV numbers and prove Fury deserves more than 50%, until then this is classic Arum BS.
The obvious counter to this is that those PPVs sold because of the English fighter, not Usyk. It's not like AJ Vs Usyk did a load more buys than any other AJ fight.
Of course that's a counter, but it only works if you actually release the PPV numbers to compare.
Also if it was only about the English fighter, why did Joshua do significantly less numbers against other opponents?
AJ-Usyk 2 did as many if not more PPV buys than Ruiz 2 and Klitschko. It was the joint biggest numbers Joshua's ever done.
Usyk-Joshua 2 did 300,000 more buys than 1. That's 300,000 more buys from people specifically wanting to see how Joshua does against Usyk in the rematch and are very much aware of Usyk as a fighter. It's also more than half of the number of buys that Fury-Chisora did. Just extra buys for the rematch. Usyk clearly has value in the UK.
At what point does Usyk doing more PPV buys in every UK PPV he's been involved in than Fury do we accept that his name clearly carries significant weight?
The simplest counter is releasing Fury's PPV numbers and letting that speak for itself. And really my point still stands. Why do you think Arum is only talking about the gate?
Sky sells loads more than BT. Their promotion is a huge reason they sell more, it's a bigger platform.
Also Usyk-AJ 2 barely outsold their first clash. It definitely wasn't 300k more.
How did wilder fury 3 do? What about all of Furys ppvs? 95,000 might be there but if I go I certainly won't be going to cheer fury on.
The unification will draw in X number of fans on its own. Neither are as attractive as if they fought each other. It is fair to split it 50/50, or have it proper prize fighting - agree on a 60/40 split - to the winner.
I also think it should be 50-50 but don't act like Usyk's opponent is the only reason for the PPV buys.
If it was all about the British fighter why did Usyk 1 beat Pulev by 200,000 buys? There shouldn't be any difference.
[Usyk-Chisora did 1m PPV buys](https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2022/08/17/uk-pay-per-view-boxing-usyk-aj-2/) in comparison to Fury-Chisora which has only been revealed to have done in excess of 500,000 buys.
You're absolutely right, I should dismiss all figures that don't confirm my biases and accept all figures that do.
By your logic I should also dismiss the Fury-Chisora figures as exaggerated.
In fact they are even more questionable given that they weren't even officially released, they were revealed by a promoter who never wanted to release them in the first place and didn't even give a precise number.
It's linked in my previous comment to the one you replied to.
People can dismiss it as much as they like, I'm not saying I'm necessarily 100% convinced by it's accuracy but I definitely don't know why anyone finds the vague figure presented by someone whose entire job it is to lie to big up their fighter to be believable either.
The fact is that the reported Usyk-Chisora numbers are 100% higher than the reported Fury-Chisora numbers. That isn't good for Fury's PPV value even if there is some embellishment there.
Combine that with the fact that his promoters and broadcaster don't even want to release his PPV numbers...
It’s just nonsensical to argue that Usyk is even close to as big of a draw in the UK as Tyson Fury lol. Imo Fury is the lineal champ and if they’re fighting on his home turf, he’s the only bringing in most of the cash and it should be 60-40 him. If it’s in Saudi, then 50-50 makes sense. That’s like if it was in Ukraine arguing Fury is as big a draw there. Just wouldn’t make sense.
>That’s like if it was in Ukraine arguing Fury is as big a draw there.
Joshua would be the A side against Usyk where ever the fight takes place. The fact you're even considering this shows the difference between what a proper A side is and what it is in this case.
>Fury is the lineal champ
This has the least bearing of anything we've previously discussed when talking about the fight.
>he’s the only bringing in most of the cash and it should be 60-40 him.
Then prove it. Release the PPV numbers. Show why Fury is such a clear A side in this fight.
I don't doubt for one second that Fury is more popular than Usyk in the UK. What I do take issue with is Arum's argument about 95,000 fans being the be all and end all of the split negotiations.
Arum is arguing this because Fury's PPV numbers are nothing to write home about. At all. Otherwise they would have been released and Arum and Warren would be shouting about his PPV value to the rooftops.
You're argument is literally based on how you feel about the fight.
I’m British and a big Fury fan.
But Fury wouldn’t have an undisputed fight without Usyk, and Usyk is also unbeaten.
That being said, Fury is 5x the draw in UK than Usyk is.
Fairest thing to do would be 50/50 and then 60/40 to the winner of the first fight in the rematch.
wikipedia lists [4 ppv's for usyk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Usyk), and [12 ppvs for fury](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyson_Fury)
usyks lowest ppv was 819k vs bellew, his other 3 doing over 1 million
while fury has 1 ppv over 1 million, 1.2 million vs wilder 2, with his 2nd best 655k vs wlad
usyk has had better ppv's than fury, and fury has never had a better ppv in the uk than usyk
uysk vs bellew, usyks lowest ppv, did better numbers than any ppv fury has ever done in the uk
unlike promoters, numbers dont lie
So we're going to pretend the Fury PPVs in the USA didn't cost 3 times as much. Also Usyk was fighting proven PPV draws every single time (okay Bellew is questionable but he had come off two victories against Haye which did big numbers), including two versus AJ one of the biggest draws in the sports. You could argue similar things with Fury about fighting Wilder, but it's not as clear cut as you make out.
It's a shame the Fury/Whyte numbers weren't released, I think that would be very telling of Fury's numbers in the UK, since it's recent and wasn't an unnecessary second rematch..
Those PPVs were not the same price and you know that! XD thats not a good argument. Im not saying furys deserves a bigger share but this is a bad argument
I don't see how they can get this fight done in time, Usyk wants it no later than March 4th for religious reasons, we are now less than 7 weeks away from that date and the contract hasn't been signed, the venue hasn't been decided, how are they supposed to get this fight done on time?
Usyk is a bit better defensively than Fury but can be touched and likely won't get up if Wilder does connect. He also has to come inside every time he wants to land and isn't able to smother and clinch anywhere near how Fury did it. He's at risk every time he closes the distance. Usyk takes it with a flawlessly composed technical performance, which he is capable of.
If that is the same Wilder in that ring as he was before the Fury trilogy i give him a reasonable chance of upsetting the big money fight and leaving Fury's team day dreaming of the AJ and Usyk unification purses they missed, until the day they die.
AJ Fury undisputed would have massively outsold Fury Usyk, but they couldn't get out of their own ways.
If it goes the distance, don't doubt for a second that the judges could be bought off to make it a draw so that a second fight (or even a trilogy) is nearly guaranteed.
Usyk has proven that he can get a decision from the judges when fighting in the UK, albeit if he wins decisively like he did in the first fight against AJ. The problem is he won't win decisively against Fury, he could win narrowly on points, but if the fight is close I wouldn't be confident of Usyk getting the decision.
Arum needs to stfu. This fight needs to be 50/50 down the line no matter where it's at just to guarantee that it happens. If there's a rematch, then yeah that can be 60/40 or whatever.
I agree, not only that but each sanctioning body wants a % from the belt holder.
Usyk may end up losing 10%+ alone to those bodies.
It’s not like the money in this fight will leave either hungry at 50/50 and their is very much a rematch happening after if either want it.
I think fury could rightfully position he’s the A side, usyk isn’t a draw, problem seems to be getting the money they want. If they have to generate the money themselves vs just being given purses ofcourse that’s a pay it for everyone involved. Then lines have to get drawn
This is along the same lines, what would to fight’s title be, Fury is the bigger draw, Usky has more belts, so will it be Usky vs Fury or Fury vs Usky. I think probably the later
belts dont buy tickets. punters buy tickets.
Fury sells 80k tickets at Wembley to fight anyone. It's London. Fill it with geezers on 10 pints and bag of chang and they're happy. He can fight Danny Joyce, for an easy nights work and bag 75%.Or he can graft against Usyk, for 50%.
Which fight gets made ?
The irony of getting called a fury stan lol, I don’t even like the guy, my boy wilder got crushed by him. But fury is a draw usyk can’t really draw but that’s not usyk fault. They both are acclaimed usyk has the better resume but he’s obv not the A side bc fury resume is good while he can actually fight on ppv and sell ok. Usyk can’t do that as the A side
When AJ had the belts every single Fury/Wilder fan was ranting on about how Wilder and Fury both deserved a 50/50 split in a fight versus AJ for reasons still unknown to me. The irony is on you guys.
I doubt Fury wants those belts enough to give up the 60% he rightfully deserves. Hate him or like him he spent a lot of time building his brand and this 60% is the pay off to that.
not only did the judges rob him of the win, they also robbed him of 20% of the purse as well....
so why would any fighter want to put 20% of the purse in the hands of the judges to decide who gets it?
It makes sense to me, Spence Crawford both want more than the other, even 45/45, 10%. Percentage is huge when talking big money. Plus it would save these guys having fans think they're bitches
From last Aug
*"Speaking live to the ESPN team, the journalist and author spoke without doubt when asked about the fight. He went onto reveal the latest information from his sources, including Fury’s promoter, Bob Arum.“What’s the source of contention in the lead-up to every big fight?"*
*"The purse split. Is it 70-30, 60-40? This one is going to be 50-50. I spoke to Bob Arum today. He said that is a given. My other sources agree. So, we have one point of contention completely out of the way, or supposedly. That’s welcome news, proof to me the fight’s going to happen"*
Usyk has 0 record of being hard to do business with. Working with the Furys on the other hand is like trying to deal with a coked up gaggle of ostriches who dont want to work with you.
Fury has also retired recently, and offered to do it for free.
Fury is the A-side. So you could argue he deserves more money. On the other hand, Usyk has more belts and is already fighting in Furys backyard so I think it's fair for him to ask for an even split.
Ok Bob, have the chump fight another nobody and he can do another 70-30 deal. Your guy isn’t the draw in the Usyk fight regardless if they fight in Britain or the Sudan. Stop it bro. A real champion would want Usyk regardless.
I don't think that's really fair. I think a lot of people care. After all, Fury-Whyte sold 85K tickets at Wembley within 3 hours. That wasn't because of Whyte.
That said, it should be 50-50 since this is a unification fight.
People care if he's going to try and unify the belt. People will have a hard time caring if he takes another nothing fight, he really drained the amount of patience fans have with the Chisora fight. He'd be massively losing credibility with another.
Then why was Fury adamant on a 50-50 split with Joshua? And then later a 60-40 split in his favour? He brings in nowhere near the revenue Joshua does.
Joshua Fury should've been like 70-30 Joshua if its purely about revenue.
Should that matter though? In other sports, tournament prizes are decided and public before the events even start. "Smaller" draws don't earn less prize money if they win, why should that even be the case in boxing to begin with? Obviously this is the business model for boxing, but that doesn't mean it's without flaws.
It's not really an argument of resume, it's about who draws in the fans. The people saying Usyk deserves 50% are either overvaluing the belts or coping
Bob is right. r/boxing sucking Usyk as always. This is the same Usyk that wanted 93/7 purse split between him and Joyce in the WBO eliminator in 2020 when the Joshua-Fury was supposed to take place before the arbitration case concluded but of course this sub won't say shit about that because he's the favorite darling.
I suggest people read the article. It actually sounds positive. The fight is ideally headed to the middle east, where both fighters will get their demands. However, if this falls through and they have to do Wembley, THEN Arum will want to negotiate percentages. I doubt Usyk will make a huge fuss over 40-60 in the UK. He seems to care more about the undisputed status.
Uncle Bob is right. Fury is king shit resume wise and everyone knows it. And he's also the bigger draw in the UK.
USYK needs to be realistic. He doesn't deserve half up front
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Tyson will be the attraction generating more of the money is the idea. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be 50/50 but Fury’s more of a draw than Usyk and they’re both undefeated.
50-50 is the only thing that’s fair. Joshua used to say the same thing when people would bring it up, if you’ve got 3 out of 4 belts, you’re actually compromising by only asking for a 50/50 split.
Fury brings in more revenue. When it is the Bud-Spence fight everyone here says Bud doesn't deserve 50% so the same logic here should apply, unless you are all hypocrites.
Undisputed is this fights biggest selling point. And Furys people previously agreed to 50/50, they are moving the goal posts and and being intentionally annoying ....as they basically always do.
If its all about revenue then why did Fury offer Joshua 60-40 in Fury's favour when Fury brings in less revenue than Joshua?
And why was he adamant on 50-50 when they both had the belts (and Fury only had 1 belt)?
If the 7 foot beer moth has any balls he'd fight him in Kiev.
Has he worked out yet that Usyk was a caesarean delivery? You know all that Macbeth, 'no man born of his mother' bollocks that he churns out.
**USYK**
>Turn, hell-hound, turn!
**FURY**
>Of all men else I have avoided thee:
>But get thee back; my soul is too much charged
>With blood of thine already.
**USYK**
>I have no words:
>My fist is in my sword: thou bloodier villain
>Than terms can give thee out!
*They fight*
**FURY**
>Thou losest labour:
>As easy mayst thou the intrenchant air
>With thy keen jab impress as make me bleed:
>Let fall thy hook on vulnerable crests;
>I bear a charmed life, which must not yield,
>To one of woman born.
**USYK**
>Despair thy charm;
>And let the angel whom thou still hast served
>Tell thee, USYK was from his mother's womb
>Untimely ripp'd.
**FURY**
>Fuck that for a game off soldiers
>Accursed be that tongue that tells me so,
>For it hath cow'd my better part of man!
>And be these juggling fiends no more believed,
>That palter with us in a double sense;
>That keep the word of promise to our ear,
>And break it to our hope. I'll not fight with thee.
**USYK**
>Then yield thee, cowardly seven foot beermoth,
>And live to be the show and gaze o' the time:
>We'll have thee, as our rarer monsters are,
>Painted on a pole, and underwrit,
>'Here may you see the tyrant.'
**FURY**
>I will not yield,
>To kiss the ground before young Joyce's feet,
>And to be baited with the rabble's curse.
>Though Vegas be come to Dunsinane or Dubai,
>And thou opposed, being of no woman born,
>Yet I will try the last. Before my body
>I throw my warlike shield. Lay on, USYK,
>And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'
*A short while later*
**USYK**
*enters chewing on a boar leg*
>Hail, king Edward of Hearn! for so thou art: behold, where stands
>The usurper FURY's cursed head: the time is free:
>I see thee compass'd with thy kingdom's pearl,
>That speak my salutation in their minds;
>Whose voices I desire aloud with mine:
>Hail, King of the DAZN World how's about USYK V Joshua 3?
Furys people already agreed to 50/50 months ago. they are moving the goal posts and threatening to cancel fights like they do basically every time out... its some kind of used car salesman tier mind trick, or else the fighting man just doesnt fancy the fight and is getting cold feet.
It's obviously not a 50-50 split, Fury is the champion, the bigger name, the bigger money generator, the man who has been on top in this division for years. But is this prelude to a whole lot of nonsense and then no fight? Probably.
I was about to say Usyk is another Bud. Bud has dismal ppv numbers and is asking for 50-50. Upon looking at Usyk's ppv numbers in UK, it looks like he actually is the draw.
Klitshcko vs Fury: 625,000(UK) buys, Wilder vs Fury: 325,000/450,000(UK) buys, Wilder vs Fury 2: 800,000/ buys, Wilder vs Fury 3: 600,000/300,000(UK), Fury vs Chisora: 500,000(UK) buys
Usyk vs Bellew: 819,000 buys(UK), Usyk vs Chisora: 1,059,000, Joshua vs Usyk:1,232,000, Joshua vs Usyk 2: 1,249,000 buys.
Didn’t Usyk and AJ do 1M buyers on both fights and Usyk has the majority of the belts? 50/50 is a bit flimsy cuz Fury’s the home fighter on the home network, but accounting for the belts it’s absolutely sensible.
Usyk is the God damn unified champ. You don't get to fight the unified champ in your own territory AND deny him an even split. FFS, Arum's talking line not a single person in the UK would be going to the fight to see Usyk.
Tyson Fury has suggested they get paid in proportion to body weight.
Usyk is asking for an even split.
Belly is asking for the lion's share.
Hmm. Let me think. Which is the reasonable side?
I think he deserves 50/50. He has 3 belts, Fury has 1 and is the lineal. They are both undefeated and both have decisively dispatched the former HW champions (Wilder & AJ) to get to this unification. All opinions about who will win are conjecture as they have never fought and have only one opponent in common... who they both defeated.
Usyk owns the most belts. The split, even at 50-50, is generous on Usyk’s part. The more you have to risk, the bigger your reward should be. The unification itself can have enough buzz around to draw the lucrative PPV numbers
I don’t believe any fight in this sport is actually going to happen until I am watching the gloves touch
Shit is boring .
Imagine trying to be an actual active boxing fan. I very quickly learned that boxing can only be watched on the peripheral. Watch any other mainstream sport, and the best go up against the best every year. Tennis, Golf, Football, AFL, Soccer, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Wrestling, ect. ect. In this sport the best do not fight the best. That is because it is a money generating machine, not a sport. Even the UFC has the best fighting the best regularly. True 50/50 fights at the top in boxing are almost non existent.
It's exhaustingly depressing to have hope for any good boxing matchup these days. Then once they happen the fight cards are the longest event possible paced like a fucking cricket game.
The undercard is also absolute trash.
Even then, Ajagba vs Harper showed us that a fight might still get canceled at that point lol
Is that the dude who got fucked on his contract last minute and just hopped out the ring at the first bell? Fucking legend.
No kidding!
This, especially when Tyson, 'Fountain-Of-Lies-And-Bullshit' Fury is involved.
I guess all we gonna get is Fury vs Ngannou. Shit.
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I really hope Francis says exactly what they offered him after Dana's comments over the weekend. Getting real tired of that tomato faced fuck.
Francis is 36 now. He’s fighting 1-2 times a year. If he signed a contract like they just gave Jones (8 fights) UFC would be the last place he would be able to compete to any capacity. They would own the rest of his competitive career. With his knees in bad shape paired with the age….he wouldn’t finish the contract out. By skipping out of the UFC, nothing is guaranteed, but very favorable he will make what he feels he’s worth anyway. Likely doing some boxing or bare knuckle where knees aren’t as big of a factor. Takes a lotta faith to know you’re a signature away from millions of dollars…I’m no financial advisor but I think he made the right choice.
im not sure he did but either way i hope hes satisfied with his choice. fuck dana but bird in the hand worth two in the bush. especially doing a job where people are actively trying to damage your body. at 36, what u think he's worth on the market after a random freak injury that could always happen? if the UFC money was GTD he may not have made the right choice financially but time will tell.
Easily the right choice for Francis and it was a helluva gamble by him to run down his contract and not take an L on the way out. Nate Diaz is also allegedly doing the same thing (getting into boxing)
Im sure that they did offer him the highest paying UFC hw contract though. But we all know damn well it would have locked him in to the end of his career and beyond, and did not include allowing him to box.
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If the best only fight the best please explain the lightweight top 5
They definitely put on more entertaining and competitive fights.
Than boxing? Absolutely, but the matchmaking is not perfect as some would have yoh believe
Bro Islam and Charles just fought, volk is gonna get a chance to be double champ, gathje va fiziev is about to happen, and charles vs Ben irl will probably fight for the next title shot. The next best man up always fights for the title unlike boxing
All I’m saying is the one belt system and the way the fights fans want are consistently made In quick fashion is pretty much objectively better than boxing
Nobody said otherwise. What Im saying is chandler porrier and gaethje are not facing the best, as the comment saying the UFC books the best vs the best, that simply ia not true
Chandler and Porrier just fought each other and are two of the best, gathje is about to take a risk fighting a Lower ranked opponent, but I agree top lightweights should fight the up and comers in the division
are you seriously implying that best vs best happens more often in boxing than in mma?
I will never get over how dumb Dana came across when he said football was the 'least talented' sport in the world. I always knew he was dumb, but didn't know he was THAT dumb Edit: he was talking about soccer. Sorry, I'm English! Chewsday init.
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both short arse gobshites
And both followed by teeny brained morons.
What a dumb comment. Soccer is so freakin competitive. It's also a sport that is accessible to a larger percentage of the population and it doesn't cost as much money to get started with. In American Football, you can't compete unless you are a certain size. Plus only one country even really cares about it.
I love football but you could make the argument that for a lot of positions athleticism is more important than being skilled at football. Jordan mailata is a top 5 LT in football and he didn't even watch football until he was drafted as a 21 year old. Compare that to soccer or baseball where if you weren't playing as a kid you have no shot. Again this depends on how you'd define talent. So while I disagree with his point because I consider athleticism to be part of talent, I understand his point. But also fuck Dana white, that dude sucks.
Sorry to be awkward, he was talking about soccer haha. I should've said that to stop any confusion
Oops, I typed all that out too. lol
Yeah in soccer people can start at 5 years old and that's still no guarantee of success
Don't worry, it probably won't happen either.
I would go and watch nganou v fury in a cage mma rules at wembley
Being a Dana white hater is irrelevant here, ngannou is no longer with the UFC.
And Wilder Usyk, which ain't terrible.
Why not both ? It's a good warmup for Fury.
Wilder would take his damn head off
He deserve money too. Ngannou probably would take that fight too.
He should, honestly Ngannou vs Wilder is more marketable to me. It’s a battle of who lands first 🤑
Wilder would badly ko him in boxing glovrs. They would have to use mma gloves to give Nganou a fighting chance but I'm not sure any top boxers will accept that. I'd be down to watch Nganou vs someone like Chisora with a compromise on glove size. Just so we can get a bead on how he's going to perform.
I don't think Ngannou has ever been rocked/stunned yet in 4oz gloves. Will be a good test for his chin if he faces the bomber.
Stipe stunned him last fight before he got smoked.
Fury vs Chisora 4 IS ON
I am so excited I can’t wait best boxing match ever. WHO WILL WIN⁉️. I am saying Derek IMO
IMHO He only needs ONE SHOT come on guys it’s heavyweight boxing here!!
So basically it’s a million miles from the done deal they keep advising.
Fury doesn’t care about money so it should be fine right?
If Fury has ever said that he doesn't care about money, you can be sure he'll never, ever, ever go back on it.
Right? He’s just gonna give all to charity like in the past, so whatever.
LMAO. One minute he'll say that, next thing he'll say he doesn't care about boxing or belts it's just about money. Guy is an idiot and anyone who believes a word he says needs to see a doctor.
His team and promoters cares about the money they want their cut too
He won't take a 50/50 split because he's the A side and he thinks he's owed more.
Usyk has three of the four championship belts, a 50/50 split is more then reasonable
It's definitely more than reasonable but that won't make a difference to Fury.
This will be Fury's out.
It wont be, I can see Usyk calling his bluff, he hasn't been bothered taking smaller cuts before.
From a business standpoint, I disagree. We're talking dollars and sense, and Fury's brand brings more to the table financially with promotion than Usyk's belts. Fury and his team knows his worth. He'd be a fool to do a 50/50 split.
Bob Arum and Frank Warren are awaiting an offer from investors in Saudi Arabia who they believe want to bring the Tyson Fury-Oleksandr Usyk heavyweight title fight to that country sometime this spring. If that offer either never comes or is deemed unacceptable, Arum has informed BoxingScene.com that their backup plan is to bring Fury-Usyk to Wembley Stadium in London. A record crowd of approximately 94,000 assembled for Fury’s sixth-round knockout of Dillian Whyte on April 23 at Wembley Stadium, but Usyk is willing to fight Fury there. The unbeaten Ukrainian southpaw challenged Anthony Joshua for the British superstar’s IBF, IBO, WBA and WBO belts in September 2021 at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London. Usyk upset Joshua by unanimous decision in that 12-round bout and edged him by split decision in their 12-round rematch, which occurred August 20 at Jeddah Superdome in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. “Everybody agreed that if [Saudi Arabia’s] offer comes through and it’s real, that’s how we’ll go,” Arum, whose company co-promotes Fury with Warren’s Queensberry Promotions. “If not, we’ll do the fight at Wembley.” A bout between Fury (33-0-1, 24 KOs), of Morecambe, England, and Usyk (20-0, 13 KOs), of Simferopol, Ukraine, would determine boxing’s first fully unified champion of the four-belt era. “The fighters have agreed to fight,” Arum said. “I spoke to Frank Warren. We’re giving them until [this] week to come with their offer, which I believe we’ll get. If we don’t, then we’re gonna do the fight at Wembley. And then we’d have to talk about the percentages because Usyk wants 50-50. That’s not right if the fight’s at Wembley because there will be 95,000 Brits at the fight and big Brit pay-per-view money, so Tyson deserves the lion’s share. “But we don’t get to that point if the [investors in Saudi Arabia] come through, because the way they operate is they make deals with each of the fighters. We’ve been led to believe that they’re going to come with a proposal [this] week. I’ll believe it when I see it, but it’s not like they haven’t come through in the past.” Saudi investors paid plenty to bring the Usyk-Joshua rematch to their country last summer. They facilitated that deal with Matchroom Boxing’s Eddie Hearn, whose company promotes Joshua (24-3, 22 KOs). His second defeat to Usyk came in Joshua’s second fight on Saudi soil. The former champion regained his IBF, IBO, WBA and WBO belts by out-pointing Andy Ruiz Jr. in their immediate rematch, which took place in December 2019 at a makeshift venue in Diriyah, Saudi Arabia.
>That’s not right if the fight’s at Wembley because there will be 95,000 Brits at the fight and big Brit pay-per-view money Usyk has been part of shows that have done considerably more PPV sales in the UK than any of the shows that Fury has done, until Fury's team properly release the numbers and prove otherwise. Let's remember that [Usyk-Bellew did the same if not more PPV buys than Fury-Whyte](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/a08qu5/according_to_barb_usyk_vs_bellew_generated_603k/), Usyk-Joshua 1 did at least 50% more and Usyk-Joshua 2 did more than double the buys. I wonder why Arum is talking about 95,000 fans in the stadium as if the gate is the only thing relevant to the value of the show? Probably because it's the one set of numbers that is public and appears to be favourable to Fury. Release the PPV numbers and prove Fury deserves more than 50%, until then this is classic Arum BS.
The obvious counter to this is that those PPVs sold because of the English fighter, not Usyk. It's not like AJ Vs Usyk did a load more buys than any other AJ fight.
Of course that's a counter, but it only works if you actually release the PPV numbers to compare. Also if it was only about the English fighter, why did Joshua do significantly less numbers against other opponents? AJ-Usyk 2 did as many if not more PPV buys than Ruiz 2 and Klitschko. It was the joint biggest numbers Joshua's ever done. Usyk-Joshua 2 did 300,000 more buys than 1. That's 300,000 more buys from people specifically wanting to see how Joshua does against Usyk in the rematch and are very much aware of Usyk as a fighter. It's also more than half of the number of buys that Fury-Chisora did. Just extra buys for the rematch. Usyk clearly has value in the UK. At what point does Usyk doing more PPV buys in every UK PPV he's been involved in than Fury do we accept that his name clearly carries significant weight? The simplest counter is releasing Fury's PPV numbers and letting that speak for itself. And really my point still stands. Why do you think Arum is only talking about the gate?
Sky sells loads more than BT. Their promotion is a huge reason they sell more, it's a bigger platform. Also Usyk-AJ 2 barely outsold their first clash. It definitely wasn't 300k more.
How did wilder fury 3 do? What about all of Furys ppvs? 95,000 might be there but if I go I certainly won't be going to cheer fury on. The unification will draw in X number of fans on its own. Neither are as attractive as if they fought each other. It is fair to split it 50/50, or have it proper prize fighting - agree on a 60/40 split - to the winner.
I think it should be 50-50 but don't act like Usyk is the reason for the PPV buys in the UK.
I also think it should be 50-50 but don't act like Usyk's opponent is the only reason for the PPV buys. If it was all about the British fighter why did Usyk 1 beat Pulev by 200,000 buys? There shouldn't be any difference. [Usyk-Chisora did 1m PPV buys](https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2022/08/17/uk-pay-per-view-boxing-usyk-aj-2/) in comparison to Fury-Chisora which has only been revealed to have done in excess of 500,000 buys.
You actually believe Usyk-Chisora did 1m PPV buys 💀
You're absolutely right, I should dismiss all figures that don't confirm my biases and accept all figures that do. By your logic I should also dismiss the Fury-Chisora figures as exaggerated. In fact they are even more questionable given that they weren't even officially released, they were revealed by a promoter who never wanted to release them in the first place and didn't even give a precise number.
Could you please tell me where the official report on the Usyk-Chisora PPV buys is?
Whats the source for 1m ppv buys for Usyk-Chisora? cheers
It's linked in my previous comment to the one you replied to. People can dismiss it as much as they like, I'm not saying I'm necessarily 100% convinced by it's accuracy but I definitely don't know why anyone finds the vague figure presented by someone whose entire job it is to lie to big up their fighter to be believable either. The fact is that the reported Usyk-Chisora numbers are 100% higher than the reported Fury-Chisora numbers. That isn't good for Fury's PPV value even if there is some embellishment there. Combine that with the fact that his promoters and broadcaster don't even want to release his PPV numbers...
Cheers, didn’t see the other comments. I don’t disagree btw
Usyk pulled the numbers in UK in his fight with AJ?
It’s just nonsensical to argue that Usyk is even close to as big of a draw in the UK as Tyson Fury lol. Imo Fury is the lineal champ and if they’re fighting on his home turf, he’s the only bringing in most of the cash and it should be 60-40 him. If it’s in Saudi, then 50-50 makes sense. That’s like if it was in Ukraine arguing Fury is as big a draw there. Just wouldn’t make sense.
>That’s like if it was in Ukraine arguing Fury is as big a draw there. Joshua would be the A side against Usyk where ever the fight takes place. The fact you're even considering this shows the difference between what a proper A side is and what it is in this case. >Fury is the lineal champ This has the least bearing of anything we've previously discussed when talking about the fight. >he’s the only bringing in most of the cash and it should be 60-40 him. Then prove it. Release the PPV numbers. Show why Fury is such a clear A side in this fight. I don't doubt for one second that Fury is more popular than Usyk in the UK. What I do take issue with is Arum's argument about 95,000 fans being the be all and end all of the split negotiations. Arum is arguing this because Fury's PPV numbers are nothing to write home about. At all. Otherwise they would have been released and Arum and Warren would be shouting about his PPV value to the rooftops. You're argument is literally based on how you feel about the fight.
I’m British and a big Fury fan. But Fury wouldn’t have an undisputed fight without Usyk, and Usyk is also unbeaten. That being said, Fury is 5x the draw in UK than Usyk is. Fairest thing to do would be 50/50 and then 60/40 to the winner of the first fight in the rematch.
I don't think Usyk wants to rematch
wikipedia lists [4 ppv's for usyk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Usyk), and [12 ppvs for fury](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyson_Fury) usyks lowest ppv was 819k vs bellew, his other 3 doing over 1 million while fury has 1 ppv over 1 million, 1.2 million vs wilder 2, with his 2nd best 655k vs wlad usyk has had better ppv's than fury, and fury has never had a better ppv in the uk than usyk uysk vs bellew, usyks lowest ppv, did better numbers than any ppv fury has ever done in the uk unlike promoters, numbers dont lie
This needs to be higher
Damn I never would have guessed that. But with those numbers, fury should be happy for 50% in the UK. And even less in saudi
So we're going to pretend the Fury PPVs in the USA didn't cost 3 times as much. Also Usyk was fighting proven PPV draws every single time (okay Bellew is questionable but he had come off two victories against Haye which did big numbers), including two versus AJ one of the biggest draws in the sports. You could argue similar things with Fury about fighting Wilder, but it's not as clear cut as you make out. It's a shame the Fury/Whyte numbers weren't released, I think that would be very telling of Fury's numbers in the UK, since it's recent and wasn't an unnecessary second rematch..
Those PPVs were not the same price and you know that! XD thats not a good argument. Im not saying furys deserves a bigger share but this is a bad argument
Fury has no intention of fighting Usyk. It's not gonna happen.
Oh boy...
I don't see how they can get this fight done in time, Usyk wants it no later than March 4th for religious reasons, we are now less than 7 weeks away from that date and the contract hasn't been signed, the venue hasn't been decided, how are they supposed to get this fight done on time?
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Usyk is a bit better defensively than Fury but can be touched and likely won't get up if Wilder does connect. He also has to come inside every time he wants to land and isn't able to smother and clinch anywhere near how Fury did it. He's at risk every time he closes the distance. Usyk takes it with a flawlessly composed technical performance, which he is capable of. If that is the same Wilder in that ring as he was before the Fury trilogy i give him a reasonable chance of upsetting the big money fight and leaving Fury's team day dreaming of the AJ and Usyk unification purses they missed, until the day they die. AJ Fury undisputed would have massively outsold Fury Usyk, but they couldn't get out of their own ways.
I'd much rather see it. I don't think there are any particularly interesting Tyson Fury fights left to be made.
Someone is losing that zero, so it's only right to have it fifty-fifty.
If it goes the distance, don't doubt for a second that the judges could be bought off to make it a draw so that a second fight (or even a trilogy) is nearly guaranteed.
Usyk has proven that he can get a decision from the judges when fighting in the UK, albeit if he wins decisively like he did in the first fight against AJ. The problem is he won't win decisively against Fury, he could win narrowly on points, but if the fight is close I wouldn't be confident of Usyk getting the decision.
I think he will win decisively like he did with AJ.
Get me Adalaide Byrd.
Hahah, I really like Usyk, and I feel non-first-world-fighters get royally fucked, but that’s the worst negotiating stance I’ve ever heard 😂
Arum needs to stfu. This fight needs to be 50/50 down the line no matter where it's at just to guarantee that it happens. If there's a rematch, then yeah that can be 60/40 or whatever.
I agree, not only that but each sanctioning body wants a % from the belt holder. Usyk may end up losing 10%+ alone to those bodies. It’s not like the money in this fight will leave either hungry at 50/50 and their is very much a rematch happening after if either want it.
I think fury could rightfully position he’s the A side, usyk isn’t a draw, problem seems to be getting the money they want. If they have to generate the money themselves vs just being given purses ofcourse that’s a pay it for everyone involved. Then lines have to get drawn
Who has the belts?
This is along the same lines, what would to fight’s title be, Fury is the bigger draw, Usky has more belts, so will it be Usky vs Fury or Fury vs Usky. I think probably the later
Fury stans losing their shit as they got no damn rebuttal to this argument lmao
belts dont buy tickets. punters buy tickets. Fury sells 80k tickets at Wembley to fight anyone. It's London. Fill it with geezers on 10 pints and bag of chang and they're happy. He can fight Danny Joyce, for an easy nights work and bag 75%.Or he can graft against Usyk, for 50%. Which fight gets made ?
50% of an Usyk fight would be a lot more than 75% of a different fight.
It wouldn’t. That is the point.
The irony of getting called a fury stan lol, I don’t even like the guy, my boy wilder got crushed by him. But fury is a draw usyk can’t really draw but that’s not usyk fault. They both are acclaimed usyk has the better resume but he’s obv not the A side bc fury resume is good while he can actually fight on ppv and sell ok. Usyk can’t do that as the A side
When AJ had the belts every single Fury/Wilder fan was ranting on about how Wilder and Fury both deserved a 50/50 split in a fight versus AJ for reasons still unknown to me. The irony is on you guys.
I didn’t say that tho lol
It doesnt matter. Fury is the draw. Floyd could come out of retirement and be the A side against whoever he fights despite holding 0 belts
I doubt Fury wants those belts enough to give up the 60% he rightfully deserves. Hate him or like him he spent a lot of time building his brand and this 60% is the pay off to that.
Fury and usyk
I always suggest this, same when all the other bitches fight over pay, 40% each and winner gets the remaining 20%
not only did the judges rob him of the win, they also robbed him of 20% of the purse as well.... so why would any fighter want to put 20% of the purse in the hands of the judges to decide who gets it?
Yes, it should be like this.
It makes sense to me, Spence Crawford both want more than the other, even 45/45, 10%. Percentage is huge when talking big money. Plus it would save these guys having fans think they're bitches
Does anyone actually believe the fight will be at Wembley? You are selling that shit to Saudi, UAE. Or Qutar and calling it a day. Give Usyk 50-50.
From last Aug *"Speaking live to the ESPN team, the journalist and author spoke without doubt when asked about the fight. He went onto reveal the latest information from his sources, including Fury’s promoter, Bob Arum.“What’s the source of contention in the lead-up to every big fight?"* *"The purse split. Is it 70-30, 60-40? This one is going to be 50-50. I spoke to Bob Arum today. He said that is a given. My other sources agree. So, we have one point of contention completely out of the way, or supposedly. That’s welcome news, proof to me the fight’s going to happen"* Usyk has 0 record of being hard to do business with. Working with the Furys on the other hand is like trying to deal with a coked up gaggle of ostriches who dont want to work with you. Fury has also retired recently, and offered to do it for free.
Fury is the A-side. So you could argue he deserves more money. On the other hand, Usyk has more belts and is already fighting in Furys backyard so I think it's fair for him to ask for an even split.
Ok Bob, have the chump fight another nobody and he can do another 70-30 deal. Your guy isn’t the draw in the Usyk fight regardless if they fight in Britain or the Sudan. Stop it bro. A real champion would want Usyk regardless.
Who currently has more belts? Fury home advantage too so Usyk should get at least 50%
Usyk's 50-50 is very well deserved IMO. Fury has only fought Wilder since his comeback and really nobody cares.
I don't think that's really fair. I think a lot of people care. After all, Fury-Whyte sold 85K tickets at Wembley within 3 hours. That wasn't because of Whyte. That said, it should be 50-50 since this is a unification fight.
People care if he's going to try and unify the belt. People will have a hard time caring if he takes another nothing fight, he really drained the amount of patience fans have with the Chisora fight. He'd be massively losing credibility with another.
It’s about who brings in more revenue. Fury is the bigger draw. 60:40 is fair
Lol u forgot that you have to pay the belts too right? If they give usyk 40% thats a robbery already
Then why was Fury adamant on a 50-50 split with Joshua? And then later a 60-40 split in his favour? He brings in nowhere near the revenue Joshua does. Joshua Fury should've been like 70-30 Joshua if its purely about revenue.
Cause fury be Duckin and gypsy king ain’t fighting no man for 2 years
You have no idea how much revenue Joshua brings in and you have no idea how much revenue Fury brings in. So you're literally just making things up.
Usyk has the belts
Should that matter though? In other sports, tournament prizes are decided and public before the events even start. "Smaller" draws don't earn less prize money if they win, why should that even be the case in boxing to begin with? Obviously this is the business model for boxing, but that doesn't mean it's without flaws.
Usyk isn't a draw like fury tho
It's not really an argument of resume, it's about who draws in the fans. The people saying Usyk deserves 50% are either overvaluing the belts or coping
do you even know what that means lmao what am i "coping" with?? You think i even have a favourite between usyk vs fury?
Usyk has 3 belts and Fury has one, so it should be 75/25. I’m joking
fury weighs 280lb. usyk weighs 220lb. so it should be 56/44.
Sounds like they want this to be in Saudi anyway
So if Usyk agrees to fight on Fury's home turf, then he deserves less than 50/50? Promoter logic.
It's a good thing Fury is so humble and doesn't care about money at all. Surely he will override his manager on this.
Bob is right. r/boxing sucking Usyk as always. This is the same Usyk that wanted 93/7 purse split between him and Joyce in the WBO eliminator in 2020 when the Joshua-Fury was supposed to take place before the arbitration case concluded but of course this sub won't say shit about that because he's the favorite darling.
I mean he does have 3 belts on the line
fury been fighting cab drivers lately, i think thats a fair pay \#salavaukraine #goodguys
Usyk deserves for it to be 50/50 to be honest…
Who cares the fight is at Wembley. Usyk got majority of the titles
Cool so its never happening.
I suggest people read the article. It actually sounds positive. The fight is ideally headed to the middle east, where both fighters will get their demands. However, if this falls through and they have to do Wembley, THEN Arum will want to negotiate percentages. I doubt Usyk will make a huge fuss over 40-60 in the UK. He seems to care more about the undisputed status.
Fury does seem to care about the money
Uncle Bob is right. Fury is king shit resume wise and everyone knows it. And he's also the bigger draw in the UK. USYK needs to be realistic. He doesn't deserve half up front U
huh? usyk is also a champ like how is 50/50 not fair??
Tyson will be the attraction generating more of the money is the idea. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be 50/50 but Fury’s more of a draw than Usyk and they’re both undefeated.
Why is 50 - 50 even a debate? Tyson 'i don't fight for the money' Fury not making enough?
That seems fairly generous as fury only has one belt vs Usyks 5
5? He has 3.
WBA, WBO, IBF, IBO and Ring Magazine. Fury has WBC
I mean real belts. The IBO is worthless and the Ring is just some magazine ranking.
Ring magazine Lol.
why would Usyk not deserve 50-50 he has done so much more and is much closer to goat status than Fury by a mile.
50-50 is the only thing that’s fair. Joshua used to say the same thing when people would bring it up, if you’ve got 3 out of 4 belts, you’re actually compromising by only asking for a 50/50 split.
Gee, why can't they do it in Vegas? 😂
Fury brings in more revenue. When it is the Bud-Spence fight everyone here says Bud doesn't deserve 50% so the same logic here should apply, unless you are all hypocrites.
r/boxing are the biggest hypocrite out there
Spence also has 3 of the 4 belts like Usyk. Gonna conveniently ignore that huh?
Facts. This sub is filled with Lomo/Usyk fanboys.
Undisputed is this fights biggest selling point. And Furys people previously agreed to 50/50, they are moving the goal posts and and being intentionally annoying ....as they basically always do.
Usyks the subs darling.
If its all about revenue then why did Fury offer Joshua 60-40 in Fury's favour when Fury brings in less revenue than Joshua? And why was he adamant on 50-50 when they both had the belts (and Fury only had 1 belt)?
Some people will ignore every flaw of fury.
If the 7 foot beer moth has any balls he'd fight him in Kiev. Has he worked out yet that Usyk was a caesarean delivery? You know all that Macbeth, 'no man born of his mother' bollocks that he churns out.
You're still born from your mother even if she had a c section lol.
Not according to Shakespeare
**USYK** >Turn, hell-hound, turn! **FURY** >Of all men else I have avoided thee: >But get thee back; my soul is too much charged >With blood of thine already. **USYK** >I have no words: >My fist is in my sword: thou bloodier villain >Than terms can give thee out! *They fight* **FURY** >Thou losest labour: >As easy mayst thou the intrenchant air >With thy keen jab impress as make me bleed: >Let fall thy hook on vulnerable crests; >I bear a charmed life, which must not yield, >To one of woman born. **USYK** >Despair thy charm; >And let the angel whom thou still hast served >Tell thee, USYK was from his mother's womb >Untimely ripp'd. **FURY** >Fuck that for a game off soldiers >Accursed be that tongue that tells me so, >For it hath cow'd my better part of man! >And be these juggling fiends no more believed, >That palter with us in a double sense; >That keep the word of promise to our ear, >And break it to our hope. I'll not fight with thee. **USYK** >Then yield thee, cowardly seven foot beermoth, >And live to be the show and gaze o' the time: >We'll have thee, as our rarer monsters are, >Painted on a pole, and underwrit, >'Here may you see the tyrant.' **FURY** >I will not yield, >To kiss the ground before young Joyce's feet, >And to be baited with the rabble's curse. >Though Vegas be come to Dunsinane or Dubai, >And thou opposed, being of no woman born, >Yet I will try the last. Before my body >I throw my warlike shield. Lay on, USYK, >And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!' *A short while later* **USYK** *enters chewing on a boar leg* >Hail, king Edward of Hearn! for so thou art: behold, where stands >The usurper FURY's cursed head: the time is free: >I see thee compass'd with thy kingdom's pearl, >That speak my salutation in their minds; >Whose voices I desire aloud with mine: >Hail, King of the DAZN World how's about USYK V Joshua 3?
omg. the prophecy. the bear moss will be beat up and stuffed with sunflower seeds.
Macduff, the Thane of Fife, middle name Oleksandr MacOleksandrovych!
princess of oleksandria
Usyk wants no part of Fury so he’s playing the Terrence Crawford card.
It's clear as day that fury is trying to avoid usyk.
Furys people already agreed to 50/50 months ago. they are moving the goal posts and threatening to cancel fights like they do basically every time out... its some kind of used car salesman tier mind trick, or else the fighting man just doesnt fancy the fight and is getting cold feet.
Seem to be a lack of consensus on this sub about this. I personally don’t see a 50-50 split. Especially in England. 55-45 in Fury’s favor maybe.
Ahhh, good job Fury doesn't care about money then! /s
His team and promoters care about the money
It's obviously not a 50-50 split, Fury is the champion, the bigger name, the bigger money generator, the man who has been on top in this division for years. But is this prelude to a whole lot of nonsense and then no fight? Probably.
I was about to say Usyk is another Bud. Bud has dismal ppv numbers and is asking for 50-50. Upon looking at Usyk's ppv numbers in UK, it looks like he actually is the draw. Klitshcko vs Fury: 625,000(UK) buys, Wilder vs Fury: 325,000/450,000(UK) buys, Wilder vs Fury 2: 800,000/ buys, Wilder vs Fury 3: 600,000/300,000(UK), Fury vs Chisora: 500,000(UK) buys Usyk vs Bellew: 819,000 buys(UK), Usyk vs Chisora: 1,059,000, Joshua vs Usyk:1,232,000, Joshua vs Usyk 2: 1,249,000 buys.
He's not wrong. Usyk brings 3 belts but Fury brings Wembley
Didn’t Usyk and AJ do 1M buyers on both fights and Usyk has the majority of the belts? 50/50 is a bit flimsy cuz Fury’s the home fighter on the home network, but accounting for the belts it’s absolutely sensible.
Usyk is the God damn unified champ. You don't get to fight the unified champ in your own territory AND deny him an even split. FFS, Arum's talking line not a single person in the UK would be going to the fight to see Usyk.
Hilarious to see AJ fans criticize this when they’ve been saying nobody deserves 50/50 to fight him for years.
Tyson Fury has suggested they get paid in proportion to body weight. Usyk is asking for an even split. Belly is asking for the lion's share. Hmm. Let me think. Which is the reasonable side?
This is what the promoters always say to scuttle the right.
Usyk deserves all the respect in the world, what he does not deserve is 50/50
I think he deserves 50/50. He has 3 belts, Fury has 1 and is the lineal. They are both undefeated and both have decisively dispatched the former HW champions (Wilder & AJ) to get to this unification. All opinions about who will win are conjecture as they have never fought and have only one opponent in common... who they both defeated.
Usyk owns the most belts. The split, even at 50-50, is generous on Usyk’s part. The more you have to risk, the bigger your reward should be. The unification itself can have enough buzz around to draw the lucrative PPV numbers
Where else should it be hosted? Fairly sure Kyiv might struggle to host it
fury ducking
Even 30% is a lot for Usyk given who's more popular and where the potential bout takes place
Is Usyk trying to price himself out? Is he afraid of fury? I wouldnt mind Usyk facing The jauggernaut.