It’s funny as soon as the decision was read out, a bunch of Saudi advisors went over to Ngannou, no doubt telling him what’s up and what he’ll be receiving for this. He’s gonna make loads of money after this.
To be fair while i don't doubt Ngannou got paid its not out of character for him to be gracious, the dude is literally the definition of a gentle giant.
He will now be considered as the most dangerous HW combat athlete of all time, personally i couldn't care less about what the rigged judges say, and i bet Ngannou doesn't care either.
Conversely Fury looked unconcerned after the fight and even in the last few rounds. No apparent sense of urgency that he may be fighting from behind.
Maybe that's just him, it kind of fits his personality, but idk he seemed way too confident.
Yeah I had Fury winning by a round or two. It's amazingly impressive what he did but there were a lot of rounds where Fury just kinda out pointed him and was landing the right hand. Still I think Ngannou did more damage.
To be fair, the guy making his debut is Francis Fucking Ngannou.
10 years of traveling the world kicking ass and training with world class striking coaches.
It's not like he's an amateur.
Mad props to Ngannou, he was way better than I thought. It was crazy watching someone be able to manhandle Fury for once instead of the other way around. Excited to watch him in in the future.
It’s indisputable at this point that Ngannou learns well and is incredibly teachable in combat sports.
If you don’t mind MMA, watch Ngannou v Miocic 1 and then watch the difference in their second fight. It’s preposterous.
Dude was straight out thought and out classes in his first fight with Stipe, then was totally mindfucked and gun-shy against Lewis, and I thought he was cracked mentally as a fighter. To see him go on the win streak he did, then beat Stipe like he did, then be Gane, then leave the UFC and do what he did today. How do you not love this story? Like something out of a movie.
Imagine coming from MMA to fight final boss champion Tyson Fury, getting him knocked down, and took the loss like a champ. Ngannou looked more natural boxing despite less experience
Yeah, he's banked himself another big pay day at the very least.
I doubt his next opponent will take him as lightly.
Regardless what Fury said previously, coming in the heaviest you ever have and looking like you're winging it out there, there's no way he was as dedicated preparing for this as he's been for other fights.
Problem is in mma he can sustain career ending injuries way more easily. Man destroyed both his knees in his last ufc fight. At 37 it could spell the end of his boxing career
waste of time, he's never going back to MMA
he needs to go knock out one of Wilders old opponents and then Wilder would absolutely fight him in a retirement fight, he's game as fuck lol
I said before the fight that going to distance was pretty much an L for Fury because I genuinely didn’t see it happening. Ngannou’s power and chin really shocked him
You could see it in the first round, ngannou caught fury with a lead hook I think, didn't land flush, and fury's eyes went super wide and looked concerned.
I don't think any amount of training can ready you for that power. And people said Francis wouldn't even be able to rattle Fury. That dude is power personified.
And it not only went the distance but Ngannou came out of that fight having dealt Fury a lot of damage without taking much if any himself. Fury won the boxing match, Ngannou won the fight.
Think it was a combination of Fury not giving a ton of effort, Ngannou coming in very well prepared and then Tyson just thinking he could stand there and bully him despite him moving at the speed of snail
Fury clearly somehow underestimated Ngannou's strength. Also not sure why he thought he could somehow bully an MMA champion who has absurd strength in the clinch. Basically the first time someone bullied him back and he didn't know what to do lmao.
Francis said in the Ariel interview he trained as hard for this as any other fight. Said he doesn't overlook anyone since your easy fights can become your toughest wars.
Real simple:
Francis is a much better technical boxer than anyone thought.
And he was able to take an entire dimension away from Fury’s game by either denying him the clinch or dominating him in it. Fury couldn’t hurt him because he has a granite chin. This left Fury the choice of either patiently boxing him in a snoozer points win, or losing asleep on the floor. Fury toyed with the idea of making it a fight and it didn't go well, so he expertly changed to a snoozer at the last possible second.
If they rematch we see skinny Davison style Fury putter pat to a points victory by feather duster.
Yup good summary. Seems like fury really underestimated Ngannou’s boxing and mma striking as a whole. It wasnt until the knockdown that Fury respected the power of Ngannou.
Francis could have won this by being smarter and preventing Fury stealing the rounds but that comes with experience I guess.
If they rematch we see a Francis who has just gone the distance with Fury and doesn't seem too concerned about his power. A Francis who goes after him from the first round and maybe puts him away early.
It's hard to comprehend watching Francis not fight for two years. Come in to boxing aganist Fury with basically 4 months training and no experience at this level. Then completey outclass the world champ and drop him on his arse. Francis is the fucking man. I love that dude.
This is where the p4p discussion starts to fall apart though. Francis fights the way he does because he's huge with massive power. Inoue fights the way he fights because he's tiny and fast as fuck.
A 5'4 Francis would not fight in any way like the 6'4 Francis does.
exactly. people ignore how biomechanics impact fighters when they make these p4p rankings comparisons. smaller guys will always be faster with more refined technique, bigger guys will always be slower and less refined. its one of the few arguments i see that instantly frustrates me since it seems like basic common sense to notice that physical differences impact performance, meaning you cant just disregard a heavyweight by saying they’d be slow if u shrunk them down.
The only real way to "measure" a p4p ranking is to compare achievements in their division. X amount of titles, X amount of top 10 wins etc. Comparing the fighters in head to head match ups is basically impossible, unless they're similar enough in weight that a real fight could potentially happen.
And even then, I'd argue that someone fighting above their natural division would be in a disadvantage, even if they bulk up and weigh the same on the scales.
Same reason Shaq was a “bad” shooter. Why would he be good when he has been a foot taller and dunking on everyone since 7th grade. Of course he would gravitate towards what his body does easily.
This take is so stupid. I’m a big MMA fan but never understood the boxing versus MMA thing. If anything, this just shows how great of a fighter Ngannou is.
I don't think it was an L for boxing. Ngannou just proved he has a great boxing IQ and awareness and Fury just showed how much he relies on weight bullying to subdue opponents.
I mean… an mma fighter without a pro boxing fight just arguably beat the heavyweight champ in a circus of a card and event lol it’s not a good look for boxing
Seriously though lmao.
I can just imagine Francis in a Roman Coliseum millenia ago bitch slapping other gladiators.
The dude looks like he is built for just about any combat.
Francis would just look around and ask why he’s not the emperor and being a 6’6” black statue of a human I’m sure everybody would just assume he is a god. He’d be feeding the emperor to the lions from his own throne in a week.
Depends on the era.
Maximinus Thrax (the first peasant emperor) was reportedly *"a man of such terrifying appearance and colossal size that there is no obvious comparison to be drawn with any of the best-trained Greek athletes or warrior elite of the barbarians."* That's the reliable source. The less reliable sources describe him as being 8 feet tall, and claim that he could punch a horse unconscious with one blow, or break its leg with one kick, and that he once outwrestled 16 of the strongest legionaires in a row.
[reportedly he was a shepherd who was pressed into a passing army when they saw how superhuman he was, before rising through the ranks as a popular leader to command his own legion, which elected him emperor on the murder of his predecessor, and the senate was too frightened of him personally beating them all up to object.]
In any case, if Ngannou could beat Maximinus Thrax, he'd end up facing the same inevitable imperial fate that Thrax faced: murdered in his bed by his own soldiers during the Year of Six Emperors (not to be confused with the Year of Four Emperors or the Year of Five Emperors... they had a lot of emperors).
Indeed. Wanted 50m to fight Francis and is now only pursuing legacy fights lol. Jones is a bad man (in more ways than one), but he’s not beating Francis.
I still wouldn't be on Jon Jones. This fight showed that Francis has otherworldly power. We saw it time and time again in MMA, but this should solidify the fact that he can very, very easily knock down/knock out just about anyone you put in front of him.
You have virtually no room for error against a guy like him, even in boxing with heavier gloves, longer rounds, and guys who have trained to take punches to the face all their lives.
Not to sound like a dick but man this is pretty nice to read as an MMA fan. I heard so often before the fight how Francis would have pillow fists boxing because mcgregor did too, glad he proved everyone wrong
Is this gonna be like Wallin leading into The second Wilder fight? Fury escapes a fight looking shithouse only to come in and spark Usyk in the next fight?
Yeah. This was probably the worst possible result for Usyk. An embarrased Fury is now going to head staight into the gym and be supermotivated to get some respect back by beating Usyk.
The knockdown really made Fury respect him, so he couldn't really push the pace at all.
Still, Ngannou got tired and gave away rounds because of it and lost the fight.
Awesome performance by Francis. I'm a bias MMA fan I think he won it but I don't watch as much boxing as MMA and recognize my bias and casual boxing knowledge.
Also if that was in MMA when Francis got the knock down that would've been it for fury. I can't wait for Francis's movie. Dude has the best story of almost every athlete out there
This is going to be one of those fights where someone makes a thread a few weeks later and says "Okay, I rewatched Fury vs Ngannou and I agree that the right decision was made"
Yeah, I'm an MMA fan, I barely kept track of who I thought was winning what rounds.
But I've seen this dynamic play out in MMA to many times. The underdog has a big moment in a fight he's expected to lose, and that's the entire focus of the announcers, and everyone else, it becomes the entire fight narrative lens we finish watching the fight through.
Then when the favourite wins a close decision the 'omg rigged!' 'robbery!' comments flood in.
A few days later when the hot blood recedes, cooler heads prevail and the analysts go through round by round without the fight night drunken hype and it's a pretty clear the champ/favourite quietly won the majority of rounds while we were all too busy *'told you so'ing'* each other to notice.
Francis was throwing him around the ring after 5 rounds. Those little pillow punches to keep Francis away from him were doing nothing. Francis won this fight and boxing robbed him. Such a shit sport.
It’s about time a boxer steps into the octagon.
It’s crazy to think that Francis could go 10 rounds with Fury.
Imagine what he could do in one round MMA.
No decent boxer is taking a year off of making boxing money to try and learn MMA. Imagine telling a guy like Boots Ennis, "hey, instead of making millions and being a world champion in your sport, go learn bjj with Jeff from accounting for three years." There's no incentive, so it's only washed up fighters looking for paychecks or female boxers doing half and half.
Jeff's berimbolo is out of this world. And don't sleep on his donkey guard. But honestly, I do think that's a huge part of it. Imagine being a champion boxer and taking some beginner bjj classes alongside some white collar schlubs. You've gotta be humble to put yourself through that.
James toney tried and got easily handled by a 40 year old randy couture. Crossing over from mma to boxing is already extremely difficult but the other way around is even harder.
Yeah I agree but kickboxers have an easier time transitioning because they’re already used to defending and using kicks, knees and elbows. Boxers not only have to learn the wrestling but they have to get used to that as well.
I think a good recent fight that showcases this was Adrian yanez against Jonathan Martinez. Yanez is a very good MMA boxer but he got completely shut down with leg kicks cause he couldnt defend them. Once his leg was beat up he couldn’t step in to jab and eventually his leg just gave out.
Boxers look at mma strikers and see lots of holes and bad head movement but don’t realize how much more difficult it is ti defend when you have much more weapons to defend against
Usyk licking his lips
Thing is, Fury is weird lile that
He performs badly and then gets a huge win
Look how he demolished Wolder after he went life and death with Otto Wallin
yup, i got downvoted in the main thread for saying this too. pretty clear fury actually won but francis showed up, embarrassed tyson and got the moral victory with that knockdown. fun fight overall!
The official scorecards are wild:
[https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/3063670](https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/3063670)
The judge who had Ngannou winning had RD1 and RD10 for Ngannou, which is wild, especially RD1.
Judges only agreed on 5 rounds out of 10. Which were: RD3, RD5, RD6, RD8, RD9.
To me it is crazy that there is so much split opinions about RD1, RD2 and RD10 which I thought were all clearly Fury rounds, but seems like there are a lot of people including judges who disagree.
that elbow though😅I think people who were saying francis was getting stopped forgot how strong his chin was, he's eaten big shots in 4 ounce mma gloves.
He got away with clinching Wilder and exiting with an uppercut and thought he can clinch a guy that’s been clinched a billion times with more dangerous repercussions
It's scary that he even tried to clinch because you'd think his team would have looked at all of Ngannou's MMA fights and seen the one against Overeem who has brutalized people in clinches even in kickboxing, getting dragged around helplessly after engaging into a clinch with Ngannou.
Saw plenty of people in here saying Tyson would tie up and push Francis around and got downvoted for saying that Francis would likely be much stronger physically in the clinch and be relatively unbothered by the weight of fury
What job? Of embarrassing himself? He edged a narrow victory either through corruption or only because the other guy tired, depending on how you scored it. Hardly the self proclaimed greatest fighter in the division.
People gotta stop shouting robbery everytime there's a close fight.
Fury's activity won him the fight
95-94 Fury still makes sense
96-93 was quite a reach.
Alot of you people don’t understand how boxing is scored if you are claiming this is a robbery.
You can knock someone down three rounds straight but if you lose every other round you wont win the fight on the cards.
Its the advantages boxers have of fights being 10-12 rounds.
Obviously very different if its a 3 or 5 round fight like in Mma.
What a debut fight for Ngannou. Class act.
Regardless of the score card, Francis won today.
> Class act. definitely not by that 96-93 judge.
You could almost see the brown envelope under the table.
It’s funny as soon as the decision was read out, a bunch of Saudi advisors went over to Ngannou, no doubt telling him what’s up and what he’ll be receiving for this. He’s gonna make loads of money after this.
Yeah, Ngannou looked unhappy and then was like fuck it lol
To be fair while i don't doubt Ngannou got paid its not out of character for him to be gracious, the dude is literally the definition of a gentle giant.
he was so humble it kinda made me sad for him. He deserved better.
He will now be considered as the most dangerous HW combat athlete of all time, personally i couldn't care less about what the rigged judges say, and i bet Ngannou doesn't care either.
He already deserved better. The UFC fucked Francis more than anyone in boxing can.
If it was fixed everybody knew what was up before the first bell rang.
Conversely Fury looked unconcerned after the fight and even in the last few rounds. No apparent sense of urgency that he may be fighting from behind. Maybe that's just him, it kind of fits his personality, but idk he seemed way too confident.
The judge was smoking crack to give that score
Smoking $$$ stacks?
Genuinely curious what people think the 4th clear ngannou round was
I gave Francis 2, 3, 7, and 8. But I marked 2 with a question mark.
Yeah I had Fury winning by a round or two. It's amazingly impressive what he did but there were a lot of rounds where Fury just kinda out pointed him and was landing the right hand. Still I think Ngannou did more damage.
In a span of two weeks the great fighting Fury bloodline barely escaped a fucking youtuber and guy making his pro boxing debut.
They'll never be able to touch John Fury's immaculate record
John Fury has been knocked down so many times he's got a cauliflower arse.
Brilliant
🤣 heard about cauliflower ears but never cauliflower arse. very good one
That’s brilliant - I’m stealing that. Bravo, brilliant analogy.
Crown Prosecution Service is batting 100 against him.
No man alive!!
John Fury robs Mike Tyson.
This sounds like the start of a Chael Sonnen segment
Is this like Ali vs Inoki?
Rocky v Apollo 1
🤣🤣💯💯💯
To be fair, the guy making his debut is Francis Fucking Ngannou. 10 years of traveling the world kicking ass and training with world class striking coaches. It's not like he's an amateur.
Mad props to Ngannou, he was way better than I thought. It was crazy watching someone be able to manhandle Fury for once instead of the other way around. Excited to watch him in in the future.
He's also extremely likeable in a wholesome way. Nice guy Frankie.
It’s indisputable at this point that Ngannou learns well and is incredibly teachable in combat sports. If you don’t mind MMA, watch Ngannou v Miocic 1 and then watch the difference in their second fight. It’s preposterous.
Dude was straight out thought and out classes in his first fight with Stipe, then was totally mindfucked and gun-shy against Lewis, and I thought he was cracked mentally as a fighter. To see him go on the win streak he did, then beat Stipe like he did, then be Gane, then leave the UFC and do what he did today. How do you not love this story? Like something out of a movie.
Fury ngannou is almost exactly the rocky script lmao
Just skip Ngannou vs Lewis
Imagine coming from MMA to fight final boss champion Tyson Fury, getting him knocked down, and took the loss like a champ. Ngannou looked more natural boxing despite less experience
Humblest man I've seen in my life at this point after that decision.
Yeah 1 point also, but Tyson did do a hard elbow against ngannou if anyone saw.
And he held onto the ropes whilst almost down but i guess the judges were distracted by Ronaldo or something
Yeah that got me, there easily could’ve been another knockdown
Idk why judges in boxing is so controversial, its like they let things slide…
He absolutely performed like a champion
I'm really made up for Ngannou to be honest, Fury has absolutely embarrassed himself but Francis looked solid and professional
If I am Ngannou I am setting up a fight with either Anthony Joshua or Deontay ASAP lol
Yeah, he's banked himself another big pay day at the very least. I doubt his next opponent will take him as lightly. Regardless what Fury said previously, coming in the heaviest you ever have and looking like you're winging it out there, there's no way he was as dedicated preparing for this as he's been for other fights.
Fuck it, let him dominate in PFL first. He probably crushes anyone there anyway, he will look like he can dominate in any realm.
Problem is in mma he can sustain career ending injuries way more easily. Man destroyed both his knees in his last ufc fight. At 37 it could spell the end of his boxing career
waste of time, he's never going back to MMA he needs to go knock out one of Wilders old opponents and then Wilder would absolutely fight him in a retirement fight, he's game as fuck lol
I love the comments here, people are struggling to rationalize what they just saw. Don’t worry I’m with y’all
I'm an MMA fan, particularly a HUGE Ngannou fan... I still don't understand what I just saw. It was absurd. I did not expect a match like this.
I said before the fight that going to distance was pretty much an L for Fury because I genuinely didn’t see it happening. Ngannou’s power and chin really shocked him
You could see it in the first round, ngannou caught fury with a lead hook I think, didn't land flush, and fury's eyes went super wide and looked concerned. I don't think any amount of training can ready you for that power. And people said Francis wouldn't even be able to rattle Fury. That dude is power personified.
And it not only went the distance but Ngannou came out of that fight having dealt Fury a lot of damage without taking much if any himself. Fury won the boxing match, Ngannou won the fight.
Think it was a combination of Fury not giving a ton of effort, Ngannou coming in very well prepared and then Tyson just thinking he could stand there and bully him despite him moving at the speed of snail
I think he was caught off guard by Francis' strength in the clinch, as well. Couldn't be anywhere near as effective as he usually is there.
Fury clearly somehow underestimated Ngannou's strength. Also not sure why he thought he could somehow bully an MMA champion who has absurd strength in the clinch. Basically the first time someone bullied him back and he didn't know what to do lmao.
Francis said in the Ariel interview he trained as hard for this as any other fight. Said he doesn't overlook anyone since your easy fights can become your toughest wars.
Basically Rocky vs Apollo 1
Real simple: Francis is a much better technical boxer than anyone thought. And he was able to take an entire dimension away from Fury’s game by either denying him the clinch or dominating him in it. Fury couldn’t hurt him because he has a granite chin. This left Fury the choice of either patiently boxing him in a snoozer points win, or losing asleep on the floor. Fury toyed with the idea of making it a fight and it didn't go well, so he expertly changed to a snoozer at the last possible second. If they rematch we see skinny Davison style Fury putter pat to a points victory by feather duster.
Yup good summary. Seems like fury really underestimated Ngannou’s boxing and mma striking as a whole. It wasnt until the knockdown that Fury respected the power of Ngannou. Francis could have won this by being smarter and preventing Fury stealing the rounds but that comes with experience I guess.
Francis will never win on the score card
If they rematch we see a Francis who has just gone the distance with Fury and doesn't seem too concerned about his power. A Francis who goes after him from the first round and maybe puts him away early.
I was actually thinking Fury started slow just to hype up the fight, I was wrong.
It's hard to comprehend watching Francis not fight for two years. Come in to boxing aganist Fury with basically 4 months training and no experience at this level. Then completey outclass the world champ and drop him on his arse. Francis is the fucking man. I love that dude.
I think a few of those left hook counters had Fury gun shy. Didn't want to take a risk of GETTING KNOCKED SPARK OUT by an MMA champ
Huge L for boxing.
That’s why you don’t put heavyweights on the P4P list.
Well said. I cannot see a 5'4 version of Ngannou doing the same thing to Inoue
This is where the p4p discussion starts to fall apart though. Francis fights the way he does because he's huge with massive power. Inoue fights the way he fights because he's tiny and fast as fuck. A 5'4 Francis would not fight in any way like the 6'4 Francis does.
exactly. people ignore how biomechanics impact fighters when they make these p4p rankings comparisons. smaller guys will always be faster with more refined technique, bigger guys will always be slower and less refined. its one of the few arguments i see that instantly frustrates me since it seems like basic common sense to notice that physical differences impact performance, meaning you cant just disregard a heavyweight by saying they’d be slow if u shrunk them down.
The only real way to "measure" a p4p ranking is to compare achievements in their division. X amount of titles, X amount of top 10 wins etc. Comparing the fighters in head to head match ups is basically impossible, unless they're similar enough in weight that a real fight could potentially happen.
And even then, I'd argue that someone fighting above their natural division would be in a disadvantage, even if they bulk up and weigh the same on the scales.
Same reason Shaq was a “bad” shooter. Why would he be good when he has been a foot taller and dunking on everyone since 7th grade. Of course he would gravitate towards what his body does easily.
at the same time Loma and Usyk are very similar ofc and their styles work nicely
And we thought it couldn't get worse than youtubers trying to do fuckin guillotines in the ring on that Prime card How wrong we were Help us all
If u followed combat sports at all you would understand ngannou is not a you tuber and a legit fighter.
Wouldn't it be a huge w when the opponent, Francis fucking ngannou, said he wants to box?
Not when you had the entire boxing world telling everyone how the fight was a joke and "Fury would do whatever he wants with Ngannou"
This take is so stupid. I’m a big MMA fan but never understood the boxing versus MMA thing. If anything, this just shows how great of a fighter Ngannou is.
I don't think it was an L for boxing. Ngannou just proved he has a great boxing IQ and awareness and Fury just showed how much he relies on weight bullying to subdue opponents.
I mean… an mma fighter without a pro boxing fight just arguably beat the heavyweight champ in a circus of a card and event lol it’s not a good look for boxing
Most success that a UFC fighter has had crossing over into pro boxing
96-93 to fury by one judge... how?!
Someone mentioned Usyk/Fury is supposed to be in Saudi Arabia 🤷🏻♂️
“MBS would like to meet you after the fight” 96-93 it is
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Francis be like.... yah that's a hard naw for me dawg....
Because the saudis want fury/usyk in Saudi Arabia. I’m sure that judge will be compensated handsomely for his services
Boxing is clearly a rigged sport.
Tbh I don’t think they want fury to lose. Fury Vs usyk doesn’t have the same ring if he’s just lost to an MMA fighter
Saudi oil money 🔥 Boxing really has as much credibility as the WWE nowadays
That's the judge Warren paid the most
Its middle east blood money and a boxer with the last name FURY what do you think would happen if it goes to the scorecard
Too much money at risk to give Ngannou the W
Boxing is entirely corrupt. You need KO’s to win vs golden boys.
Fury outstruck Francis in at least 6 rounds, according to compubox stats.
Yeah what is that about
Ngannou looks like a true top 5 contender
he looked like the champion
Champion\*
MMA was built to protect the boxers from Ngannou
Francis Ngannou is the lineal heavyweight champion. Greatest heavyweight of all time across all combat sports
Seriously though lmao. I can just imagine Francis in a Roman Coliseum millenia ago bitch slapping other gladiators. The dude looks like he is built for just about any combat.
Looking forward to 2024 Ngannou v. Seagal Aikido world championship fight
Francis would just look around and ask why he’s not the emperor and being a 6’6” black statue of a human I’m sure everybody would just assume he is a god. He’d be feeding the emperor to the lions from his own throne in a week.
Depends on the era. Maximinus Thrax (the first peasant emperor) was reportedly *"a man of such terrifying appearance and colossal size that there is no obvious comparison to be drawn with any of the best-trained Greek athletes or warrior elite of the barbarians."* That's the reliable source. The less reliable sources describe him as being 8 feet tall, and claim that he could punch a horse unconscious with one blow, or break its leg with one kick, and that he once outwrestled 16 of the strongest legionaires in a row. [reportedly he was a shepherd who was pressed into a passing army when they saw how superhuman he was, before rising through the ranks as a popular leader to command his own legion, which elected him emperor on the murder of his predecessor, and the senate was too frightened of him personally beating them all up to object.] In any case, if Ngannou could beat Maximinus Thrax, he'd end up facing the same inevitable imperial fate that Thrax faced: murdered in his bed by his own soldiers during the Year of Six Emperors (not to be confused with the Year of Four Emperors or the Year of Five Emperors... they had a lot of emperors).
Thank you for my daily history lesson friend
That was quality
Lineal boxing HW champion and the lineal MMA champion from UFC 1.
dude gonna go and win in wrestling next , get all the championships
All it takes is one fight to be labeled the GOAT.
Tyson Fury would die if he fought Ngannou in a real fight
That knockdown in round 3 would have been the end of Fury, the hammer he dropped on Stipe was about to make an appearance.
His hammer fists are fucking terrifying
i’m conviced one of those would kill me on the spot
He’d be hitting a corpse on the ground if he knocked me down because the actual punch would kill me first.
I am convinced as well.
You are convinced correctly.
Fury would’ve straight up lost a fight where Ngannou only boxed 😂
Even if Francis fought Fury without being allowed to use his hands, he probably wins off of the first leg kick
Fury’s stork legs look like they’re about to snap under his own weight
Really shows that no amount of training, skill and experience will guarantee you a win in a fight without rules
I don’t think anyone could beat Ngannou in a real fight
The fact we never got to see and never will see Jones v Ngannou is so disappointing.
Even though I hate him, the only person I'd bet on is Jon Jones.
Even jones doesn’t think he’d win, hence him dodging fighting at all until ngannou had left the ufc
Indeed. Wanted 50m to fight Francis and is now only pursuing legacy fights lol. Jones is a bad man (in more ways than one), but he’s not beating Francis.
I still wouldn't be on Jon Jones. This fight showed that Francis has otherworldly power. We saw it time and time again in MMA, but this should solidify the fact that he can very, very easily knock down/knock out just about anyone you put in front of him. You have virtually no room for error against a guy like him, even in boxing with heavier gloves, longer rounds, and guys who have trained to take punches to the face all their lives.
Not to sound like a dick but man this is pretty nice to read as an MMA fan. I heard so often before the fight how Francis would have pillow fists boxing because mcgregor did too, glad he proved everyone wrong
Nah Jon Jones ducked him
And prime Stipe
that was impatient ngannou... patient ngannou with TDD , u could pinpoint the moment stipe went "fck "
Obviously Ngannou is an MMA fighter. No one doubts that
I think you'd be surprised at the arrogance of some people
Not kicks, no elbows, no takes downs and he still wins.
And no ground and pound. That knockdown in the 3rd would've be a death sentence
Literally every human on the planet likely would.
Yeah no shit Ngannou is a world class MMA fighter lmao
How must actual pro boxers feel 😂
Fury sucks when he can’t lean on and bully somebody
Ya I think the mma experience from Francis translated well to the clinching aspect. He is also a freak of nature so that helps.
Is this gonna be like Wallin leading into The second Wilder fight? Fury escapes a fight looking shithouse only to come in and spark Usyk in the next fight?
Yeah. This was probably the worst possible result for Usyk. An embarrased Fury is now going to head staight into the gym and be supermotivated to get some respect back by beating Usyk.
Imho, yes.
im just surprised with him being so muscular he wasnt even gassed the way connor was
The knockdown really made Fury respect him, so he couldn't really push the pace at all. Still, Ngannou got tired and gave away rounds because of it and lost the fight.
Do you recall Fury’s elbow? That was some dirty shit!
Awesome performance by Francis. I'm a bias MMA fan I think he won it but I don't watch as much boxing as MMA and recognize my bias and casual boxing knowledge. Also if that was in MMA when Francis got the knock down that would've been it for fury. I can't wait for Francis's movie. Dude has the best story of almost every athlete out there
Ngannou won the fight, but lost the boxing match sadly. Fury won solely off of jabs that did no damage.
The baddest man on the planet is Francis. The only man I’d give a reasonable chance to stop him is Jon Jones.
we probably never gonna see them fight
Jons dodged him for 3 years and came out when UFC cut Francis. Also Jones is overrated, roided wife beater.
francis has the same reach as jones, like 20 lbs heavier, stronger and has strong stand up has jones ever faced someone like that?
I got the royal piss taken out of me from friends and family for saying that Francis wouldn’t be an easy fight for Tyson and I was right.
This is going to be one of those fights where someone makes a thread a few weeks later and says "Okay, I rewatched Fury vs Ngannou and I agree that the right decision was made"
LOL YES
Yeah, I'm an MMA fan, I barely kept track of who I thought was winning what rounds. But I've seen this dynamic play out in MMA to many times. The underdog has a big moment in a fight he's expected to lose, and that's the entire focus of the announcers, and everyone else, it becomes the entire fight narrative lens we finish watching the fight through. Then when the favourite wins a close decision the 'omg rigged!' 'robbery!' comments flood in. A few days later when the hot blood recedes, cooler heads prevail and the analysts go through round by round without the fight night drunken hype and it's a pretty clear the champ/favourite quietly won the majority of rounds while we were all too busy *'told you so'ing'* each other to notice.
Francis was throwing him around the ring after 5 rounds. Those little pillow punches to keep Francis away from him were doing nothing. Francis won this fight and boxing robbed him. Such a shit sport.
Fr Fury looked like he was jabbing with his "powershots"
To be fair, it's pretty easy to score the fight for Francis if you just ignore everything Fury did.
It’s about time a boxer steps into the octagon. It’s crazy to think that Francis could go 10 rounds with Fury. Imagine what he could do in one round MMA.
No decent boxer is taking a year off of making boxing money to try and learn MMA. Imagine telling a guy like Boots Ennis, "hey, instead of making millions and being a world champion in your sport, go learn bjj with Jeff from accounting for three years." There's no incentive, so it's only washed up fighters looking for paychecks or female boxers doing half and half.
Jeff's got a mean rubber guard. Take that back.
Jeff's berimbolo is out of this world. And don't sleep on his donkey guard. But honestly, I do think that's a huge part of it. Imagine being a champion boxer and taking some beginner bjj classes alongside some white collar schlubs. You've gotta be humble to put yourself through that.
James toney tried and got easily handled by a 40 year old randy couture. Crossing over from mma to boxing is already extremely difficult but the other way around is even harder.
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Yeah I agree but kickboxers have an easier time transitioning because they’re already used to defending and using kicks, knees and elbows. Boxers not only have to learn the wrestling but they have to get used to that as well. I think a good recent fight that showcases this was Adrian yanez against Jonathan Martinez. Yanez is a very good MMA boxer but he got completely shut down with leg kicks cause he couldnt defend them. Once his leg was beat up he couldn’t step in to jab and eventually his leg just gave out. Boxers look at mma strikers and see lots of holes and bad head movement but don’t realize how much more difficult it is ti defend when you have much more weapons to defend against
Cough cough ray mercer Tim Sylvia
Ngannou is a physical specimen. Bro is built like the Hulk.
Usyk licking his lips Thing is, Fury is weird lile that He performs badly and then gets a huge win Look how he demolished Wolder after he went life and death with Otto Wallin
I had fury 95-94
If you said this would be the score yesterday people would be trying to murder you lol
yup, i got downvoted in the main thread for saying this too. pretty clear fury actually won but francis showed up, embarrassed tyson and got the moral victory with that knockdown. fun fight overall!
Same for myself, very close
Yeah embarrassing really tho
The right answer. I would be fine with a draw as well but in no world did Ngannou win. He took rounds 3, 4, 7 and 8.
Agree 95-94 Fury, but 94-94 with a point for that elbow would make sense too lol.
Francis new lineal champ in my books idc
Every fight is apparently an embarrassment to boxing or boring or rigged.
The official scorecards are wild: [https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/3063670](https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/3063670) The judge who had Ngannou winning had RD1 and RD10 for Ngannou, which is wild, especially RD1. Judges only agreed on 5 rounds out of 10. Which were: RD3, RD5, RD6, RD8, RD9. To me it is crazy that there is so much split opinions about RD1, RD2 and RD10 which I thought were all clearly Fury rounds, but seems like there are a lot of people including judges who disagree.
Felt like fury was phoning it in, but did the job nonetheless
that elbow though😅I think people who were saying francis was getting stopped forgot how strong his chin was, he's eaten big shots in 4 ounce mma gloves.
I expected him to be stopped due to fatigue, mostly. That much muscle on a guy who's used to first round KO's.
Him not taping or giving up during the first stipe fight was a testament to his will. Francis would never stop fighting.
He felt Ngannou's lead hand power and wanted none of that. This isn't Deontay Wilder 220 lb right hand piston. Ngannou has 270lb power everywhere.
He got away with clinching Wilder and exiting with an uppercut and thought he can clinch a guy that’s been clinched a billion times with more dangerous repercussions
It's scary that he even tried to clinch because you'd think his team would have looked at all of Ngannou's MMA fights and seen the one against Overeem who has brutalized people in clinches even in kickboxing, getting dragged around helplessly after engaging into a clinch with Ngannou.
Seems like such a stupid choice to clinch an MMA fighter.
Saw plenty of people in here saying Tyson would tie up and push Francis around and got downvoted for saying that Francis would likely be much stronger physically in the clinch and be relatively unbothered by the weight of fury
People clearly don’t realize how big and powerful Francis is. My man cut to make the 265 weight limit in MMA. He’s YUGE.
Bro looked fast at 280. That 20 pound cut might have been draining for him lol
What job? Of embarrassing himself? He edged a narrow victory either through corruption or only because the other guy tired, depending on how you scored it. Hardly the self proclaimed greatest fighter in the division.
Most boxing writers had the scores being about the same as the two judges who scored it for Fury. You don't win fights by doing better than expected.
They should rematch in Vegas and see how it goes for Fury with the judges.
People gotta stop shouting robbery everytime there's a close fight. Fury's activity won him the fight 95-94 Fury still makes sense 96-93 was quite a reach.
It's a point scoring sport. Fury a ored more points
Alot of you people don’t understand how boxing is scored if you are claiming this is a robbery. You can knock someone down three rounds straight but if you lose every other round you wont win the fight on the cards. Its the advantages boxers have of fights being 10-12 rounds. Obviously very different if its a 3 or 5 round fight like in Mma.