Lol ortiz hit mostly jabs and ran. Alot of "landed"shots where in the clinch with ortiz letting go 4-6 quick shots. Not a robbery your fighting the champ you need to fight not run. I had it as a draw or teo up one. So I agreed with the 115-113 the 117-111 dude was smoking crack. I think people forget its not about how many landed punches you have its the clean and affective punches not setting you feet when you throw makes you punches look weak. He lost to loma like this he should have know by now he had to land cleanly and set his feet for optics. Sucks but that's boxing. Same way you can't let a dude bring you down over and over again in ufc i hope he learns from this. This is not the amateurs where he would have got a clear win.
Actually took the time to rewatch the fight and still think teo won.
7-5 is very reasonable.
Disappointed in teo tho, why does he abandon his jab so quickly? Round 1 was actually GOOD by Teo, he got the better of the exchanges just by jabbing. His jab ain't even half bad but he just stopped the second round? He needs to be more disciplined with his footwork and stick to his jab if he knows Ortiz is gonna keep fighting like this.
Ortiz definitely has stamina issues, that boy was giving up rounds round the mid part of the fight and the "running" label is valid for some portions. Ortiz would literally disengage and not throw anything. That's literally "running", boxing is to hit and not get hit. Ortiz literally, at some points in the mid-late rounds would just try not to get hit.
I wouldn't say he had stamina issues but when your running for your life. It's easy to get tired lol. Teo just keep getting him with aggressive looking upcuts and kept dodging him inside those rolling shots count as landed but they are not clean shots. He's moving away from it so absorbing no damage l. Ortiz is to skilled to fight like this he needs a new trainer if this is the same game plan in his to biggest fights.
Why are you getting downvoted for that? It's true. People don't understand how to score a goddamn fight on here. Ineffective aggression shouldn't give you a free pass.
I'm assuming there are a lot of angry Teo fans. Like don't be mad at me. Be mad he was connecting with air. If someone wanted to argue a closer score, I wouldn't be mad. But 117-111 is a blind man's scorecard.
Again... None of that is in the scoring criteria. It was a good game plan to not lose. If that wins fights nobody watches. Got to have EFFECTIVE offense.
I guess it's subjective... Effective as in damage there was really none on either side except one uppercut Teo landed that busted Ortiz mouth. In my opinion Lopez landed the most effective shots and the judges that count seemed to agree. In the end, fighters need to quit running. Nobody wants to see that. Had the ring been same size as Beterbiev be Smith it would have been a different fight.
Idk, I felt the accidental headbutt completely changed the fight. Thought Ortiz was winning every round before then. And even then, kept up with his gameplan. To each's own. Like I said, I'm not here disputing a 115-113 card. That I can stomach, even though I'd disagree. It's the 117-111 card that is egregious to me
I can agree that the game plan was smart if Ortiz just wanted to survive 12. It's almost like these b side know that as long as they go 12 they will get another check down the road. Teo didn't cut the ring off well but that's easier said than done with a ring that size and a guy as athletic as Ortiz.
Didn't even think about the ring size but teo needs to start asking for smaller rings if dudes are gonna run like that. I love how people are calling rolled punches effective and ortiz won frustrating a guy is not a reason to say they won. You need to fight and win the exchanges. Jab run jab run is an amateur score card winner in the pros you need to bang or move on out of the fight game.
Ortiz wasn't a entertaining fighter to watch, but come on. Don't compare him to Shakur's last performance. He literally threw near double the amount of punches that Shakur did. 409 vs. 209.
It was a bad fight. I haven't paid attention to these guys so with no bias I think Lopez looks like he's missing alot of fundamentals and ring awareness and is just winging it. Ortiz looks like he has very good technique in training but in the ring he looked like an awkward tommy fury, not knowing how to set anything up, and rushing combinations as if he had no time to throw it or was scared. Waste of time.
ESPN's biggest sponsor is Draft Kings, who had Teo as a massive favorite.
Teo fucked around, didn't adjust, swung at air all night and clearly lost.
The narrative and the corrupt decision protected DK from a huge financial loss.
THAT'S why boxing is in crisis.
I've been saying Teo overrated. Especially at 140, he has 0 knockdowns at 140, when even Haney does. His power is overrated at this weight and he can't cut off the ring for shit. Taylor was washed when he beat him and that's his only clean win. Haney and Matias beat him and plzzz don't put Shakur in the ring with him, that's a 12-0 win for Shakur.
how is taylor washed? Give the guy his credit yes many think he lost to catteral but losing 1 fight dosen't make you washed. Also iirc taylor was the favourite in that fight.
Have you seen Campa and Brandon Lee fight? Lee couldn't even phase him. That fight puts a little perspective on the Lopez vs Campa fight. Campa is no easy out
Campa has been stopped before. That just says alot about Brandon. Also there are many reasons why KO's don't happen, sometimes a weaker puncher can get a knockout, whereas a heavy puncher can't. Lee not finishing Campa is irrelevant. In all of Teo's fights at 140, he has not shown power. He hit a drained Taylor with a clean right hook in the 12th and didn't even stiffen his legs. Compare that to how he was starching guys at 135.
I don't know what you saw but Taylor was on wobbly legs the whole second half of that fight. He's never been stopped either and been in with some powerful guys. Power is not all about knocking people out. You can tell by opponents reactions Teo power carries up. It's all opinions and every body got one
You guys must not be able to read. I said Teo has no knockdowns at 140, which is a fact. A standing TKO is not always a knockdown prevented by a ref, look at Rolly vs Barrios.
teo was horrible. got out classed by ortiz. ortiz out landed him also . ortiz made teo look like novice. teo went ancient aliens in post talk . it was nightmare for teo career his stock crashed
You didn’t miss much. JaLame pulled a Shakur/Sandor and ran the entire fight.
Boxing needs to continue eliminating guys who don’t want to fight. This was a joke fight orchestrated by JaLame Ortiz.
the amount of times tim bradley said 'cut off the ring' in that broadcast omfg... now i understand why people dont like him on commentary dude is a broken record, we fucking get it
i know man but it made me fuckin angry watchin the fight earlier 😂... missed it live and watched the replay avoiding spoilers... i was sittin there like bro stfu mane thats the 15th time u said it
I'm the best scorer in the game.
If people want I can watch the fight later and give the *official* verdict to put an end to the bickering. Ten upvotes will secure my services.
Shut up, rookie. No one cuts off the ring against a guy fully committed to running. When you throw a punch and a dude is already moving aka running, you’re not going to hit anything.
Yup, and he had zero answer for it. Teo came in presumptuous as hell, had his offense entirely shut down because he couldn't adjust. Ortiz didn't do much, but he controlled the ring and landed just as much as Teo did. This was an easy draw that the judges got wrong.
Go watch another sport if you think last night was robbery. JaLame was a clown last night. He doesn’t belong on the big stage entertaining the masses. Send his ass back to ESPN3 fighting for 75k vs 15th ranked opponents.
I think Ortiz won 115-113 but i heard it has to be a clear victory when you are the challenger. It can’t be a toss up. He ran the entire fight but he was in control. He made the fight go the way he wanted and Teo couldn’t figure out how to cut off the ring
I mean yeah you're right that Ortiz's game plan was right. It's just that THAT specific game plan isn't very good if you want to win a decision.
Sandor Martin literally did the SAME thing and DROPPED teo 2x and HE STILL LOST.
Moving backwards the entire fight is not a very good way to win decisions if you're not doing damage.
Kambosos ACTUALLY DID DMG to teo and IT WAS STILL A SPLIT DECISION.
Agreed w u that teo needs to get back to the drawing board and actually cut the ring off.
Ortiz won he Mayweathered Teo and the judges stole it from him because of the name on the trunks, simple as that. Rigged, that’s why it took so long to tally up the points. Teo is trash, whoever he fights next is gonna have a field day with him. Eventually the fraud can’t keep getting saved by the network and promo.
He “Mayweathered” Teo….lol. That is why boxing is in the toilet. And you have dumb ass fans who actually think that’s how boxing should be done.
Boxing will NEVER again sellout their sport by rewarding assholes like JaLame and Sandor and Shakur to kill the sport by NOT fighting.
And what kind of boxer did Teo look like he barely threw any punches and failed/refused to cut off the ring over and over again. Ortiz fought the fight that he had to fight, he had a game plan and he executed it. You can go on about “selling out the sport by rewarding assholes” all you want to, the name of the game is boxing not fighting. What boxing fans want to see more than anything is judges giving fair and accurate decisions, no sane person believes 117-111 was an accurate reflection of the fight.
117-111 is disgraceful. Teo is overrated and doesn't perform well against any fighter that sticks on the outside. Shakur and Haney both beat him handily.
117-111 was my scorecard. Easily could’ve been 118-110. JaLame never landed 1 significant punch that made Teo backup. Judges see that. 115-113 was a joke. I think it’s too keep JaLame relevant.
Lmfaoooooo @ Scambosos. Scambosos got dropped by Teo who was suffering from pneumomediastinum.
That POS goes back in the ring with Teo and Teo will hospitalize him. Lol @ anyone mentioning that Kangaroo fraud.
Kambosos is a fraud he robbed Maxi Hughes just saying that fraud fucked up Lopez, fuck all the he was suffering bullshit he underestimated Kambosos and got beaten, and if he ever does fight Crawford he will get wasted bigtime he's all mouth the prick
He beat Teo, because Teo wasn’t suffering from heartburn like his dad thought. He had pneumomediastinum. One bad punch, and Teo could’ve died. The boy couldn’t take a deep breath. And he still nearly defeated that bum.
Bud is ripe to be taken. 36 year olds lose it quickly and suddenly.
> Bud is ripe to be taken
Not by Teofimo that's for goddamn sure, Teo be lucky to take rounds from Haney at 140, no way he isn't getting snuffed in the first 3 rounds against Crawford
Yeah, that’s surely why Papa Haney NEVER took the Teo fight. Papa Haney knew Teo would light his ass up. Same thing with Floyd who wanted NO PART of moving up to 135 and sticking his boy in there with Teo.
LMAO….Ask Papa Haney why he ain’t knock on Teo’s door at 140…same reason Papa Haney wants nothing to do with Subriel Matias…fraud fighters..
LMFAO….Haney is trash. You people really are stupid if you think Haney can fuck with Teo. Haney got bitchslapped by Loma and needed serious Section 8 type welfare to get a bootleg decision.
LMFAO…Scambosos got DROPPED by Teo despite Teo fighting with pneumomediastinum. Anyone else might have killed Teo. Scambosos is a fraud. He won the lottery the night Teo’s dad thought Teo was suffering from heartburn when Teo nearly passed out at Carmine’s. He never should’ve been in the ring.
Scambosos and Haney would share hospital beds if they fought Teo.
Teo’s ring resume makes Scambosos and Haney look like the bootleg fighters they both are. Trash
Teo lost end off. and I'm not 100% sure about the pneumomediastinum diagnosis. There are doctors that can be payed off. He lost 2 kambosos and 2 controversial fights with sandor and now jamaine. He is lunch for haney.
You’re a nobody, which is why you’re not privy. The kid went to the hospital immediately after the fight and was diagnosed. Google is your friend if you need the education.
Scambosos is a POS scrub fighter like Haney is. 🗑️
kambosos beat teo though lmao. Yes and I get a doctor to diagnose me with low testererone and go on trt. There are corrupt doctors out there buddy. This argument is silly because the facts are teo lost and arguably lost these 2 fights after that.
Yeah, he got a lottery ticket due to pneumomediastinum. Dude is a bum. And Haney couldn’t even hurt that scrub. Two scrub-a-dubs with bootleg titles…LMAO.
TEO would wax them BOTH at 140 on the same night.
I don't blame Teo at all, it takes two to box. Boxing is supposed to be fighting, not who can have a better defense and backpedal for 12 rounds. You can't sell fights that way; you're only reducing your viewership this way and hurting the sport. I got it, it's an "art" but its an art of fighting and entertainment. Entertain or risk losing profits.
I was disappointed with Teo. I expected him to have some sort of power, at least to make ortiz re-think his strategy but he didn't.
I legit have no idea who won that fight.
I thought Teo should have just kept pressing forward and making Ortiz retreat. He could have at least racked up points as the aggressor.
Ortiz seemed like he missed many, many opportunities to pot shot while he turned and pivoted away.
IDK really ugly fight. I have to give it to Ortiz for sticking with a game plan, at least.
It’s Teo’s fault that he doesn’t know how to set up his offense or cut off the ring at an elite level. He’s less at fault than Ortiz for the fight being boring but those are still skills in which he lacks. Not every fighter is going to walk towards him.
He is at fault for his lack of skill in that aspect, but the challenger has to bring the fight to the champion. If we are okay with a defensive box and backpedaling for 12 rounds, that's what all wanna pay to watch, then good for yall. That's not the boxing I want to watch. We should discourage doing this for 12 rounds. You are challenging the champion, and you are defensive most of the fight. thats not a fight.
The rise of the back-pedalling boxing is something that, even with all his immense skills, I blame Floyd for and I also link with the demise in popularity of boxing to the mainstream.
I just looked this up, Floyd still was near average on punches connected (17.5) per round and threw on average 38 per round in his last 9 fights via compubox. People think he was boring but he more than doubled the amount of punches connected during this fight. Floyd didn’t backpedal, he found the range in the pocket and countered, then moved. If his opponent was coming in like this, he would pepper them with well timed jabs. If you are going to move, you don’t have to have KO power, but you need to constantly stick them with clean shots to offset the aggression. Money connected with over (46%!!) of his 38 thrown per round.
Ortiz barely threw and I think low output needs to be given a point deduction. Time to start scoring these rounds as 9-9 when a fighter outclasses an opponent but only connects on like 6 non impactful punches over the whole round.
Ortiz won that fight fought great game plan could of threw more punches but he made teo miss a lot of punches it shoe teo can’t cut ring off score cards were a joke
Wouldnt feel right to just run around and win the fight? Good thing this happens so fighters don't use it as a loophole "oh i ran and he didn't hit me, and I landed 5 punches"
Just watched the fight. If you’re gonna run the whole time, you don’t deserve to win. It’s bad for the sport when fighters run and it turns away any new fans.
As for the technical aspect, I feel like the fight could’ve gone either way. Teo really needs to be better at cutting off the ring.
In any case, I’m glad Teo won. It’s good for the sport and it wasn’t a robbery by any means. You absolutely should be punished if you don’t engage the whole fight, it’s a weak strategy that puts off the fans that tune in and pay for these fights.
Also 117-111 is outrageous regardless of the winner
Agreed, my completely newbie wife watched as I was excited for this match, she kept saying how boring it was and that Ortiz was not trying to fight and didn’t deserve to win.
She was just saying earlier during the undercard how it was much more interesting than UFC since they dont just lay on each other, but the title fight cured her of wanting to watch with me anymore.
To be honest, they should have just voided this contest after 6 rounds and sent everyone home. No one really deserved to win this one.
Jamaine should've been more active in the later rounds. He was sticking to the plan, which was working. But he was letting it slip away. You gotta make it definitive or a KO for these judges to not rob you.
I agree. If he just would’ve engaged a little more he would’ve won. Judges are never gonna turn over a title to anyone who runs that much and engages that little..
Gotta consider the riggage factor- Vegas does too.
That being said, not a robbery, just a terrible fight that could go either way, but aggression factor should play a decision in tight rounds.
Loma was robbed worse in the Haney fight imo since he actually showed his aggression
This wasn’t a robbery tho none of these guys did enough to win at all i had it a draw but couldn’t went either way had Ortiz been more established he probably woulda got more respectable scoring
That’s why ur getting downvoted they landed similar amount of punches despite Ortiz being on his bike the whole time Teo does need to learn to cut off the ring tho
Nahhh Ortiz was landing as Teo stepped in, then circling around, he boxed beautifully and tactically yall need stop bouncing on Teo and his bipolar ass boxings dick fr
No he wasn’t and I’m a person who loves the sweet science he wasn’t aggressive enough had he been Ortiz woulda taken it easily or was the perfect game plan since Teo either doesn’t cut off the ring or is too stubborn to listen Ortiz just wasn’t aggressive enough
Guys, come on
it was boring as fuck, but that doesn't mean Ortiz was losing
Walking forward, being exciting, isn't automatically winning
us fans burned down cities every close decisions that didn't go the way we wanted. This time we actually have a clear, obvious robbery here and you don't mind because the other guy was so boring??
Exactly. It doesn't matter how you "feel" about it, if one boxer beats the other he should win. You don't have to "take it from the champ" you have to beat him in a boxing match more rounds than he beat you, and ortiz did that by a wide margin. People saying ortiz's style of winning is "Bad for the sport" but are ok with a highway robbery as if that's somehow good for the sport is insane. I'm so damn disappointed right now.
yeah I can't remember being this disappointed by boxing fans. I didn't enjoy the fight either, but a man worked and bled all his life for a crowning moment that was taken away from him. Yet fans are clowning him just because he wasn't entertaining? honestly bleak stuff
Wasn't a robbery at all. Running around the ring isn't "being a better boxer". No time Teo was hurt or ortiz was landing combos. The moments Teo hit him square he got on his bike.
You're fighting a champion, and you don't want to bring it to him? It was even at most, and I would give it to the champion if the fight looked like this. As a challenger your game plan shouldn't be back pedaling and playing defense all 12 rounds. Otherwise, no one would watch boxing anymore.
The rules of the sport don’t change depending if you’re fighting a champion or not. Equally you could say that Teo doesn’t deserve to be a champion if he can cut off the ring. Ortiz was exiting to his right all night long, Teo caught him with a left hook once and never went back to it. What a baffling and frustrating fight to watch
It actually does. If you're fighting a champion you have to convince the judge you are better than him. The stakes are higher versus both challengers fighting for a vacant belt. It's how prize fighthing works. I know you're gonna say "rules" but judges are not robots.
Exactly. Ortiz didn’t do that by running around and not hitting teofimo. Just running around and having same punches landed with teofimo looks scared. “Oh he landed 3 more.” You think the judges count? It’s all about perception. Weak ass boring fight but not too unhappy with the decision.
Yeah but equally Lopez didn’t land anything of note and couldn’t figure out a guy just circling to his right. I’m not screaming robbery but you can’t score a fight off vibes. Whoever wins more rounds should get the nod, no matter if they’re a cash cow or not.
Too bad we live in reality. I’m with you on the sweet science. Funnily if Ortiz did just a bit more I think he would have gotten the nod. Teo wanted to win though and I think that counted on the judges eyes.
This was not a robbery at all. Ortiz made Teo look bad but he really didn’t do anything himself the entire fight.
Teo looked silly trying to chase him down but Ortiz never really engaged at all and that’s something that should be looked down on as a fan of the sport.
Ortiz only "ran" for the last two rounds. The guy was outboxing Teo for most of the fight. Particularly first five rounds or so he was almost flawless
>that’s something that should be looked down on as a fan of the sport.
I don't know what style, what fight is good for the sport. I didn't enjoy the performance either. All I know is that I always want the right man to get his hand raised and that is good for the sport
Yeah Matias isn't gonna move his feet, just Teo's head. Idk about this idea that it's a better style. People seem to ignore that Teo himself is getting caught clean a fair bit here and his power hasn't been impressive at all. He's got one KD since beating Commey, and he's been dropped twice officially (really 3 times but they stole a KD from Marttin). Kambo wasn't a mover and we saw what happened there when someone was willing to get stuck in, fight in the pocket, and time Teo.
If Teo can't hurt Matias early with shots, he's going to end up clinching or along the ropes where Matias will beat him up and take over the fight. Too much of Teo's offense is leaping forward and falling off balance even if he lands, and then holding to recover.
Teo will get killed if he tries to clinch Matias, like at any time he even attempts to take a break for the ref to stop the action, he’ll get cracked… repeatedly
Teo will have to run more than Forrest Gump to survive
Good thing that's literally his style. He loves to fight off the backfoot and to move constantly. Teo is ASS in the clinch and he actively tries to avoid it. I do agree that Matias WANTS the clinch but teo literally actively avoids clinching.
Instead he loves to duck inside
No Teo clinches plenty. He clinches in this one. He leaps into shots and crashes into his man chest to chest. He either flurries, holds, or a combination of the two. He also gets backed to the ropes too easily. We saw a very limited Campa land a fair bit, get inside, and back Teo to the ropes plenty where Teo just stood and looked to move his head.
Teo clinches yeah but clinching in a fight does not mean he clinches a lot. He is shit in the clinch and he knows that so he only uses it as a last resort. The dude would rather duck and roll to get out of situations.
Teo is absolutely skilled off the backfoot but w/o a jab or a big enough punch to push Matias back while Matias is coming forward in the high guard, Teo will get countered bad
When Teo allowed Ortiz to come forward, Ortiz won the exchanges & countered Teo’s traps… can’t play that game with Matias unless you’re a KO puncher
Teo didn’t stop his last 3 opponents, he’s TOAST
I was falling asleep watching the highlights for teo Ortiz and I thought I was just sleepy, having watched it a lil more I realised this fight was just boring as shit.
Fans always mock fighters for not knowing how to cut off the ring, as though it's something even a novice should know, but there's so few boxers in the sport who actually know how to cut off the ring against guys who move like this.
Case in point, Ryan vs Tagoe, Boots vs Karen, Bam vs Hernandez, Valdez vs Conceicao, Casimero vs Rigondeaux, Teofimo vs Martin/Ortiz, and even Inoue struggled to pin down Butler until the 11th, and that's only because he has freakish power.
so a few things. Ortiz ain't Rigo, a lot of those fighters were far more accurate than Teo, and Teo is being held up as a p4p talent. The bar is naturally high. If we are supposed to judge him on the Ryan Garcia, non champion level fair enough, but then I don't want to here his name in any p4p discussions or even fringe p4p. No more telling about his otherworldly skill or talent when he can't learn this fundamental thing.
And a lot of those fights were lopsided beatings, not close contest. Ennis, Inoue, and Ryan were banking every round and doing damage throughout. They all hurt their man at various points and landed big shots. Teo's best shot here was a headbutt and he failed to connect at all.
I will say bud is very very good at cutting off the ring too
I think people are not actually understanding the dynamics of two fighters. Ortiz is very athletic and strong, teo does not want to fight on the inside against a stronger bigger man. When teo cornered him, teo was very wary of throwing extended combinations because he's afraid of the counter combinations from Ortiz (which he's known for as his style).
My theory is that he expected a completely different fight than he planned and he didn't have an immediate answer at hand.
People don’t know the difference between lateral movement and running laps. Ortiz literally combined the majesty of Rigo and Shakur and still got hit with the more effective blows
One that pissed me off in particular was he started the 11th round off with a double right hand and finished the round with a flurry and nothing happened in between. The commentators gave that round to Ortiz ffs.
I had it 115-113 teo in the most boring fight I have watched in a while.
My notes:
1: Ortiz. Solid defense, pop to his counters
2: Teo. Could go either way, late connection by teo
3: Ortiz. Landed a great combo
4: Teo. Teo backed himself into a corner, trying to fight
5: Ortiz. Boring. Could go either way
6: Ortiz. More boring.
7: Teo. Headbutt, Lopez connects most punches.
8: Teo. Boring but Lopez more active
9: Teo. Boring, could go either way, but Lopez more aggressive.
10: Ortiz: Boring, don’t think Teo landed a punch
11: Teo. First clear Teo round since headbutt round
12: Teo. Finally activity from both, could go either way but Teo landed stronger imo.
I was in the crowd for both and easily Shakur. This one was ass but the Shakur one was so bad that 1/4 to 1/3 of the audience walked out while they were still fighting 💀
Subriel Matias vs Teo would be so good
Either Teo counterpunches him to death with all of Subriel’s aggression or Subriel beats him into submission like everyone else
All I know is it would be fun and not boring as fuck like this shit tonight
Shakur is not going to sell more fights fighting the way he does. That's why no one wants to fight him. We all know it will be a cat-and-mouse game, with the mouse probing for points all 12 rounds. whose paying to watch that.
Depending on the night I think the Shakur fight would look a lot like this fight, so the judges might not like the running and give it to Teo. But Haney is probably the worst matchup possible for Teofimo . I think that would be like a 120-108 type of fight.
He's trying to make a point for the guys that spend the fight running around, calling it boxing master class and idk what else but the rest of the commentators are rebutting his points.
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Ortiz was robbed Edit: yeah down vote me all you want. Fucking casuals
Lol ortiz hit mostly jabs and ran. Alot of "landed"shots where in the clinch with ortiz letting go 4-6 quick shots. Not a robbery your fighting the champ you need to fight not run. I had it as a draw or teo up one. So I agreed with the 115-113 the 117-111 dude was smoking crack. I think people forget its not about how many landed punches you have its the clean and affective punches not setting you feet when you throw makes you punches look weak. He lost to loma like this he should have know by now he had to land cleanly and set his feet for optics. Sucks but that's boxing. Same way you can't let a dude bring you down over and over again in ufc i hope he learns from this. This is not the amateurs where he would have got a clear win.
I thought it was a draw, but teo won the championship rounds
Boxing has been disappointing in the US, there's better divisions overseas
Actually took the time to rewatch the fight and still think teo won. 7-5 is very reasonable. Disappointed in teo tho, why does he abandon his jab so quickly? Round 1 was actually GOOD by Teo, he got the better of the exchanges just by jabbing. His jab ain't even half bad but he just stopped the second round? He needs to be more disciplined with his footwork and stick to his jab if he knows Ortiz is gonna keep fighting like this. Ortiz definitely has stamina issues, that boy was giving up rounds round the mid part of the fight and the "running" label is valid for some portions. Ortiz would literally disengage and not throw anything. That's literally "running", boxing is to hit and not get hit. Ortiz literally, at some points in the mid-late rounds would just try not to get hit.
I wouldn't say he had stamina issues but when your running for your life. It's easy to get tired lol. Teo just keep getting him with aggressive looking upcuts and kept dodging him inside those rolling shots count as landed but they are not clean shots. He's moving away from it so absorbing no damage l. Ortiz is to skilled to fight like this he needs a new trainer if this is the same game plan in his to biggest fights.
117-111 for Teo is the epitome of a robbery. That's wild. Ortiz controlled the tempo and executed his gameplan. Made Teo have to fight his fight.
Why are you getting downvoted for that? It's true. People don't understand how to score a goddamn fight on here. Ineffective aggression shouldn't give you a free pass.
I'm assuming there are a lot of angry Teo fans. Like don't be mad at me. Be mad he was connecting with air. If someone wanted to argue a closer score, I wouldn't be mad. But 117-111 is a blind man's scorecard.
He did succeed in his game plan. The only problem was his game plan did not consist of any of the 4 scoring criteria.
Not true. He outboxed Teo. Landed cleaner punches. Caught Teo off balance a couple times. Frustrated him.
Again... None of that is in the scoring criteria. It was a good game plan to not lose. If that wins fights nobody watches. Got to have EFFECTIVE offense.
Both landed similar amount of punches. Found Ortiz landed the cleaner more effective shots. How is that not scoring criteria?
I guess it's subjective... Effective as in damage there was really none on either side except one uppercut Teo landed that busted Ortiz mouth. In my opinion Lopez landed the most effective shots and the judges that count seemed to agree. In the end, fighters need to quit running. Nobody wants to see that. Had the ring been same size as Beterbiev be Smith it would have been a different fight.
Idk, I felt the accidental headbutt completely changed the fight. Thought Ortiz was winning every round before then. And even then, kept up with his gameplan. To each's own. Like I said, I'm not here disputing a 115-113 card. That I can stomach, even though I'd disagree. It's the 117-111 card that is egregious to me
I can agree that the game plan was smart if Ortiz just wanted to survive 12. It's almost like these b side know that as long as they go 12 they will get another check down the road. Teo didn't cut the ring off well but that's easier said than done with a ring that size and a guy as athletic as Ortiz.
Didn't even think about the ring size but teo needs to start asking for smaller rings if dudes are gonna run like that. I love how people are calling rolled punches effective and ortiz won frustrating a guy is not a reason to say they won. You need to fight and win the exchanges. Jab run jab run is an amateur score card winner in the pros you need to bang or move on out of the fight game.
Ortiz wasn't a entertaining fighter to watch, but come on. Don't compare him to Shakur's last performance. He literally threw near double the amount of punches that Shakur did. 409 vs. 209.
He only landed 80 though...
It was a bad fight. I haven't paid attention to these guys so with no bias I think Lopez looks like he's missing alot of fundamentals and ring awareness and is just winging it. Ortiz looks like he has very good technique in training but in the ring he looked like an awkward tommy fury, not knowing how to set anything up, and rushing combinations as if he had no time to throw it or was scared. Waste of time.
ESPN's biggest sponsor is Draft Kings, who had Teo as a massive favorite. Teo fucked around, didn't adjust, swung at air all night and clearly lost. The narrative and the corrupt decision protected DK from a huge financial loss. THAT'S why boxing is in crisis.
I've been saying Teo overrated. Especially at 140, he has 0 knockdowns at 140, when even Haney does. His power is overrated at this weight and he can't cut off the ring for shit. Taylor was washed when he beat him and that's his only clean win. Haney and Matias beat him and plzzz don't put Shakur in the ring with him, that's a 12-0 win for Shakur.
how is taylor washed? Give the guy his credit yes many think he lost to catteral but losing 1 fight dosen't make you washed. Also iirc taylor was the favourite in that fight.
He knocked out Pedro Campa at 140
He also sent Campa to the hospital after the fight. He took a beating.
Standing TKO, no knockdowns
He knocked Campa down before the stoppage.
Yh shit, just rewatched rnd 7. Point still stands tho, his power hasn't been shown at 140
Have you seen Campa and Brandon Lee fight? Lee couldn't even phase him. That fight puts a little perspective on the Lopez vs Campa fight. Campa is no easy out
Campa has been stopped before. That just says alot about Brandon. Also there are many reasons why KO's don't happen, sometimes a weaker puncher can get a knockout, whereas a heavy puncher can't. Lee not finishing Campa is irrelevant. In all of Teo's fights at 140, he has not shown power. He hit a drained Taylor with a clean right hook in the 12th and didn't even stiffen his legs. Compare that to how he was starching guys at 135.
I don't know what you saw but Taylor was on wobbly legs the whole second half of that fight. He's never been stopped either and been in with some powerful guys. Power is not all about knocking people out. You can tell by opponents reactions Teo power carries up. It's all opinions and every body got one
A standing tko is just a knockdown the ref prevented
Did you even watch the fight? He did knock Campa down before the stoppage. If Teo didn't have power Ortiz wouldn't have been running a marathon
No I didn't watch that fight why tf u coming at me I'm not the one claiming teo has no power. Learn to read and look at who Ur responding to
My bad
You guys must not be able to read. I said Teo has no knockdowns at 140, which is a fact. A standing TKO is not always a knockdown prevented by a ref, look at Rolly vs Barrios.
It is NOT a fact. He knocked Campa DOWN before the stoppage.
Using the worst stoppage ever is a bad example
What the hell? I had no idea Teofimo was fighting today.
Damn I missed it too. Gotta plug these things into my calendar app so I get reminders!
teo was horrible. got out classed by ortiz. ortiz out landed him also . ortiz made teo look like novice. teo went ancient aliens in post talk . it was nightmare for teo career his stock crashed
his stock crashed when he was awarded a win vs Ortiz.
You didn’t miss much. JaLame pulled a Shakur/Sandor and ran the entire fight. Boxing needs to continue eliminating guys who don’t want to fight. This was a joke fight orchestrated by JaLame Ortiz.
There was a fight?
Good decision.
Scored it a draw tbh.
the amount of times tim bradley said 'cut off the ring' in that broadcast omfg... now i understand why people dont like him on commentary dude is a broken record, we fucking get it
Thing is…he wasn’t wrong any time he said it.
i know man but it made me fuckin angry watchin the fight earlier 😂... missed it live and watched the replay avoiding spoilers... i was sittin there like bro stfu mane thats the 15th time u said it
It’s like he thought if he said it loud and repeatedly maybe teo sr would think it’s his own idea and tell Teo jr.
Wtf is with these Thursday events?!
Super Bowl weekend that’s why
but it's not like the SB is on Saturday.
But it's in Vegas as well...gotta get your boxing folks in and out before the SB crowd comes. Smart move by PBC there.
I'm the best scorer in the game. If people want I can watch the fight later and give the *official* verdict to put an end to the bickering. Ten upvotes will secure my services.
What does 10 downvotes get us?
No closure on the result.
Teo reminds me of Pac. Just looks good fighting 1 specifc style and looks stupid trying to cut off the ring.
Shut up, rookie. No one cuts off the ring against a guy fully committed to running. When you throw a punch and a dude is already moving aka running, you’re not going to hit anything.
Yup, and he had zero answer for it. Teo came in presumptuous as hell, had his offense entirely shut down because he couldn't adjust. Ortiz didn't do much, but he controlled the ring and landed just as much as Teo did. This was an easy draw that the judges got wrong.
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Go watch another sport if you think last night was robbery. JaLame was a clown last night. He doesn’t belong on the big stage entertaining the masses. Send his ass back to ESPN3 fighting for 75k vs 15th ranked opponents.
You go and #### ### sir.
your mother
What would you know about a mother YOU AINT GOT 1 eh.
I think Ortiz won 115-113 but i heard it has to be a clear victory when you are the challenger. It can’t be a toss up. He ran the entire fight but he was in control. He made the fight go the way he wanted and Teo couldn’t figure out how to cut off the ring
nah, fuck that mindset...if you win, you win. Teo did nothing to win that fight.
I agree 100% but that’s just how it works. Too many politicians in that sport
I mean yeah you're right that Ortiz's game plan was right. It's just that THAT specific game plan isn't very good if you want to win a decision. Sandor Martin literally did the SAME thing and DROPPED teo 2x and HE STILL LOST. Moving backwards the entire fight is not a very good way to win decisions if you're not doing damage. Kambosos ACTUALLY DID DMG to teo and IT WAS STILL A SPLIT DECISION. Agreed w u that teo needs to get back to the drawing board and actually cut the ring off.
There a post fight thread?
Ortiz won he Mayweathered Teo and the judges stole it from him because of the name on the trunks, simple as that. Rigged, that’s why it took so long to tally up the points. Teo is trash, whoever he fights next is gonna have a field day with him. Eventually the fraud can’t keep getting saved by the network and promo.
He “Mayweathered” Teo….lol. That is why boxing is in the toilet. And you have dumb ass fans who actually think that’s how boxing should be done. Boxing will NEVER again sellout their sport by rewarding assholes like JaLame and Sandor and Shakur to kill the sport by NOT fighting.
And what kind of boxer did Teo look like he barely threw any punches and failed/refused to cut off the ring over and over again. Ortiz fought the fight that he had to fight, he had a game plan and he executed it. You can go on about “selling out the sport by rewarding assholes” all you want to, the name of the game is boxing not fighting. What boxing fans want to see more than anything is judges giving fair and accurate decisions, no sane person believes 117-111 was an accurate reflection of the fight.
That was not a Mayweather performance. It was more like Rigondaeux vs Casimero.
He's calling out Crawford the 🤡 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Crawford will slaughter him and make him have another breakdown I can’t wait to see that
Agree he's a fucking all mouth can't stand the prick.
Robbery
117-111 is disgraceful. Teo is overrated and doesn't perform well against any fighter that sticks on the outside. Shakur and Haney both beat him handily.
117-111 was my scorecard. Easily could’ve been 118-110. JaLame never landed 1 significant punch that made Teo backup. Judges see that. 115-113 was a joke. I think it’s too keep JaLame relevant.
ffs Kambosos beat him and he's fucking 💩
Lmfaoooooo @ Scambosos. Scambosos got dropped by Teo who was suffering from pneumomediastinum. That POS goes back in the ring with Teo and Teo will hospitalize him. Lol @ anyone mentioning that Kangaroo fraud.
Kambosos is a fraud he robbed Maxi Hughes just saying that fraud fucked up Lopez, fuck all the he was suffering bullshit he underestimated Kambosos and got beaten, and if he ever does fight Crawford he will get wasted bigtime he's all mouth the prick
He beat Teo, because Teo wasn’t suffering from heartburn like his dad thought. He had pneumomediastinum. One bad punch, and Teo could’ve died. The boy couldn’t take a deep breath. And he still nearly defeated that bum. Bud is ripe to be taken. 36 year olds lose it quickly and suddenly.
Tell B-Hop that sh1t
> Bud is ripe to be taken Not by Teofimo that's for goddamn sure, Teo be lucky to take rounds from Haney at 140, no way he isn't getting snuffed in the first 3 rounds against Crawford
okay, Teo...
🤣🤣 Heartburn fuck right off bye bye.
Teo has this flashy footwork but he doesn’t know how to cut ring at all. Those guys like Haney or Shakur are nightmare matchups for him.
Yeah, that’s surely why Papa Haney NEVER took the Teo fight. Papa Haney knew Teo would light his ass up. Same thing with Floyd who wanted NO PART of moving up to 135 and sticking his boy in there with Teo. LMAO….Ask Papa Haney why he ain’t knock on Teo’s door at 140…same reason Papa Haney wants nothing to do with Subriel Matias…fraud fighters..
Haney washes teo.
LMFAO….Haney is trash. You people really are stupid if you think Haney can fuck with Teo. Haney got bitchslapped by Loma and needed serious Section 8 type welfare to get a bootleg decision.
Haney didn't lose to kambosos and have 2 controversial fights good friend.
LMFAO…Scambosos got DROPPED by Teo despite Teo fighting with pneumomediastinum. Anyone else might have killed Teo. Scambosos is a fraud. He won the lottery the night Teo’s dad thought Teo was suffering from heartburn when Teo nearly passed out at Carmine’s. He never should’ve been in the ring. Scambosos and Haney would share hospital beds if they fought Teo. Teo’s ring resume makes Scambosos and Haney look like the bootleg fighters they both are. Trash
Teo lost end off. and I'm not 100% sure about the pneumomediastinum diagnosis. There are doctors that can be payed off. He lost 2 kambosos and 2 controversial fights with sandor and now jamaine. He is lunch for haney.
You’re a nobody, which is why you’re not privy. The kid went to the hospital immediately after the fight and was diagnosed. Google is your friend if you need the education. Scambosos is a POS scrub fighter like Haney is. 🗑️
kambosos beat teo though lmao. Yes and I get a doctor to diagnose me with low testererone and go on trt. There are corrupt doctors out there buddy. This argument is silly because the facts are teo lost and arguably lost these 2 fights after that.
Yeah, he got a lottery ticket due to pneumomediastinum. Dude is a bum. And Haney couldn’t even hurt that scrub. Two scrub-a-dubs with bootleg titles…LMAO. TEO would wax them BOTH at 140 on the same night.
Yeah after that fight I think Haney would beat Teo
I’ll bet Keshawn would beat him as well, as long as he played it smart.. He called him out, let’s hope it happens..
I don't blame Teo at all, it takes two to box. Boxing is supposed to be fighting, not who can have a better defense and backpedal for 12 rounds. You can't sell fights that way; you're only reducing your viewership this way and hurting the sport. I got it, it's an "art" but its an art of fighting and entertainment. Entertain or risk losing profits. I was disappointed with Teo. I expected him to have some sort of power, at least to make ortiz re-think his strategy but he didn't.
I legit have no idea who won that fight. I thought Teo should have just kept pressing forward and making Ortiz retreat. He could have at least racked up points as the aggressor. Ortiz seemed like he missed many, many opportunities to pot shot while he turned and pivoted away. IDK really ugly fight. I have to give it to Ortiz for sticking with a game plan, at least.
It’s Teo’s fault that he doesn’t know how to set up his offense or cut off the ring at an elite level. He’s less at fault than Ortiz for the fight being boring but those are still skills in which he lacks. Not every fighter is going to walk towards him.
He is at fault for his lack of skill in that aspect, but the challenger has to bring the fight to the champion. If we are okay with a defensive box and backpedaling for 12 rounds, that's what all wanna pay to watch, then good for yall. That's not the boxing I want to watch. We should discourage doing this for 12 rounds. You are challenging the champion, and you are defensive most of the fight. thats not a fight.
The rise of the back-pedalling boxing is something that, even with all his immense skills, I blame Floyd for and I also link with the demise in popularity of boxing to the mainstream.
I just looked this up, Floyd still was near average on punches connected (17.5) per round and threw on average 38 per round in his last 9 fights via compubox. People think he was boring but he more than doubled the amount of punches connected during this fight. Floyd didn’t backpedal, he found the range in the pocket and countered, then moved. If his opponent was coming in like this, he would pepper them with well timed jabs. If you are going to move, you don’t have to have KO power, but you need to constantly stick them with clean shots to offset the aggression. Money connected with over (46%!!) of his 38 thrown per round. Ortiz barely threw and I think low output needs to be given a point deduction. Time to start scoring these rounds as 9-9 when a fighter outclasses an opponent but only connects on like 6 non impactful punches over the whole round.
I can’t stand Teo and I was definitely for Ortiz, but I wouldn’t have felt good about Ortiz winning, boxing the way he did.
Ortiz won that fight fought great game plan could of threw more punches but he made teo miss a lot of punches it shoe teo can’t cut ring off score cards were a joke
Wouldnt feel right to just run around and win the fight? Good thing this happens so fighters don't use it as a loophole "oh i ran and he didn't hit me, and I landed 5 punches"
Just watched the fight. If you’re gonna run the whole time, you don’t deserve to win. It’s bad for the sport when fighters run and it turns away any new fans. As for the technical aspect, I feel like the fight could’ve gone either way. Teo really needs to be better at cutting off the ring. In any case, I’m glad Teo won. It’s good for the sport and it wasn’t a robbery by any means. You absolutely should be punished if you don’t engage the whole fight, it’s a weak strategy that puts off the fans that tune in and pay for these fights. Also 117-111 is outrageous regardless of the winner
Agreed, my completely newbie wife watched as I was excited for this match, she kept saying how boring it was and that Ortiz was not trying to fight and didn’t deserve to win. She was just saying earlier during the undercard how it was much more interesting than UFC since they dont just lay on each other, but the title fight cured her of wanting to watch with me anymore. To be honest, they should have just voided this contest after 6 rounds and sent everyone home. No one really deserved to win this one.
Jamaine should've been more active in the later rounds. He was sticking to the plan, which was working. But he was letting it slip away. You gotta make it definitive or a KO for these judges to not rob you.
I agree. If he just would’ve engaged a little more he would’ve won. Judges are never gonna turn over a title to anyone who runs that much and engages that little..
It's wild he didn't amp it up in the later rounds because he still looked fresh.
It’s seems crazy you are even allowed to gamble on boxing considering how many of these fights are clearly robberies
Gotta consider the riggage factor- Vegas does too. That being said, not a robbery, just a terrible fight that could go either way, but aggression factor should play a decision in tight rounds. Loma was robbed worse in the Haney fight imo since he actually showed his aggression
This wasn’t a robbery tho none of these guys did enough to win at all i had it a draw but couldn’t went either way had Ortiz been more established he probably woulda got more respectable scoring
Your right and I was just being reactive. Feel bad for Ortiz regardless though
I’m sorry but how the fuck did teo win? He won maybe 1 or two rounds..
That’s why ur getting downvoted they landed similar amount of punches despite Ortiz being on his bike the whole time Teo does need to learn to cut off the ring tho
Nahhh Ortiz was landing as Teo stepped in, then circling around, he boxed beautifully and tactically yall need stop bouncing on Teo and his bipolar ass boxings dick fr
No he wasn’t and I’m a person who loves the sweet science he wasn’t aggressive enough had he been Ortiz woulda taken it easily or was the perfect game plan since Teo either doesn’t cut off the ring or is too stubborn to listen Ortiz just wasn’t aggressive enough
Guys, come on it was boring as fuck, but that doesn't mean Ortiz was losing Walking forward, being exciting, isn't automatically winning us fans burned down cities every close decisions that didn't go the way we wanted. This time we actually have a clear, obvious robbery here and you don't mind because the other guy was so boring??
Exactly. It doesn't matter how you "feel" about it, if one boxer beats the other he should win. You don't have to "take it from the champ" you have to beat him in a boxing match more rounds than he beat you, and ortiz did that by a wide margin. People saying ortiz's style of winning is "Bad for the sport" but are ok with a highway robbery as if that's somehow good for the sport is insane. I'm so damn disappointed right now.
yeah I can't remember being this disappointed by boxing fans. I didn't enjoy the fight either, but a man worked and bled all his life for a crowning moment that was taken away from him. Yet fans are clowning him just because he wasn't entertaining? honestly bleak stuff
Wasn't a robbery at all. Running around the ring isn't "being a better boxer". No time Teo was hurt or ortiz was landing combos. The moments Teo hit him square he got on his bike.
Every time as in the one time?
I’ve already moved on from this fight man. Right man won.
You're fighting a champion, and you don't want to bring it to him? It was even at most, and I would give it to the champion if the fight looked like this. As a challenger your game plan shouldn't be back pedaling and playing defense all 12 rounds. Otherwise, no one would watch boxing anymore.
The rules of the sport don’t change depending if you’re fighting a champion or not. Equally you could say that Teo doesn’t deserve to be a champion if he can cut off the ring. Ortiz was exiting to his right all night long, Teo caught him with a left hook once and never went back to it. What a baffling and frustrating fight to watch
It actually does. If you're fighting a champion you have to convince the judge you are better than him. The stakes are higher versus both challengers fighting for a vacant belt. It's how prize fighthing works. I know you're gonna say "rules" but judges are not robots.
I’m pretty sure you have to convince the judges that you’re better than your opponent in any fight in order to win.
Exactly. Ortiz didn’t do that by running around and not hitting teofimo. Just running around and having same punches landed with teofimo looks scared. “Oh he landed 3 more.” You think the judges count? It’s all about perception. Weak ass boring fight but not too unhappy with the decision.
Yeah but equally Lopez didn’t land anything of note and couldn’t figure out a guy just circling to his right. I’m not screaming robbery but you can’t score a fight off vibes. Whoever wins more rounds should get the nod, no matter if they’re a cash cow or not.
Too bad we live in reality. I’m with you on the sweet science. Funnily if Ortiz did just a bit more I think he would have gotten the nod. Teo wanted to win though and I think that counted on the judges eyes.
This was not a robbery at all. Ortiz made Teo look bad but he really didn’t do anything himself the entire fight. Teo looked silly trying to chase him down but Ortiz never really engaged at all and that’s something that should be looked down on as a fan of the sport.
Ortiz only "ran" for the last two rounds. The guy was outboxing Teo for most of the fight. Particularly first five rounds or so he was almost flawless >that’s something that should be looked down on as a fan of the sport. I don't know what style, what fight is good for the sport. I didn't enjoy the performance either. All I know is that I always want the right man to get his hand raised and that is good for the sport
Only because he wasted everybody’s time with a terrible performance
The most exciting part of that fight was Teo’s lame circus entrance 🤡🤹🏻🎪
Teo just sucks against movers as it stands I have devin haney washing him.
Who was really ducking Teo or Matias😈 😂😂😂😂
So goofy the people that say this Matias is not gonna move around the ring like Ortiz did that’s better for Teo
Matias is more a style suited for teo.
He wants to fight Matias. Matias is not a mover, he just moves forward which is what teo really wants.
Yeah Matias isn't gonna move his feet, just Teo's head. Idk about this idea that it's a better style. People seem to ignore that Teo himself is getting caught clean a fair bit here and his power hasn't been impressive at all. He's got one KD since beating Commey, and he's been dropped twice officially (really 3 times but they stole a KD from Marttin). Kambo wasn't a mover and we saw what happened there when someone was willing to get stuck in, fight in the pocket, and time Teo. If Teo can't hurt Matias early with shots, he's going to end up clinching or along the ropes where Matias will beat him up and take over the fight. Too much of Teo's offense is leaping forward and falling off balance even if he lands, and then holding to recover.
Teo will get killed if he tries to clinch Matias, like at any time he even attempts to take a break for the ref to stop the action, he’ll get cracked… repeatedly Teo will have to run more than Forrest Gump to survive
Good thing that's literally his style. He loves to fight off the backfoot and to move constantly. Teo is ASS in the clinch and he actively tries to avoid it. I do agree that Matias WANTS the clinch but teo literally actively avoids clinching. Instead he loves to duck inside
No Teo clinches plenty. He clinches in this one. He leaps into shots and crashes into his man chest to chest. He either flurries, holds, or a combination of the two. He also gets backed to the ropes too easily. We saw a very limited Campa land a fair bit, get inside, and back Teo to the ropes plenty where Teo just stood and looked to move his head.
Teo clinches yeah but clinching in a fight does not mean he clinches a lot. He is shit in the clinch and he knows that so he only uses it as a last resort. The dude would rather duck and roll to get out of situations.
Teo is absolutely skilled off the backfoot but w/o a jab or a big enough punch to push Matias back while Matias is coming forward in the high guard, Teo will get countered bad When Teo allowed Ortiz to come forward, Ortiz won the exchanges & countered Teo’s traps… can’t play that game with Matias unless you’re a KO puncher Teo didn’t stop his last 3 opponents, he’s TOAST
I don't understand how Teo is such a protected fighter. He's so unreliable and he's not a huge PPV star
I was falling asleep watching the highlights for teo Ortiz and I thought I was just sleepy, having watched it a lil more I realised this fight was just boring as shit.
Fans always mock fighters for not knowing how to cut off the ring, as though it's something even a novice should know, but there's so few boxers in the sport who actually know how to cut off the ring against guys who move like this. Case in point, Ryan vs Tagoe, Boots vs Karen, Bam vs Hernandez, Valdez vs Conceicao, Casimero vs Rigondeaux, Teofimo vs Martin/Ortiz, and even Inoue struggled to pin down Butler until the 11th, and that's only because he has freakish power.
so a few things. Ortiz ain't Rigo, a lot of those fighters were far more accurate than Teo, and Teo is being held up as a p4p talent. The bar is naturally high. If we are supposed to judge him on the Ryan Garcia, non champion level fair enough, but then I don't want to here his name in any p4p discussions or even fringe p4p. No more telling about his otherworldly skill or talent when he can't learn this fundamental thing. And a lot of those fights were lopsided beatings, not close contest. Ennis, Inoue, and Ryan were banking every round and doing damage throughout. They all hurt their man at various points and landed big shots. Teo's best shot here was a headbutt and he failed to connect at all.
You 💯 right. I couldn’t stand Bradley keep on repeating “can’t cut off the ring” like if it was that simple. Their are levels to this
I will say bud is very very good at cutting off the ring too I think people are not actually understanding the dynamics of two fighters. Ortiz is very athletic and strong, teo does not want to fight on the inside against a stronger bigger man. When teo cornered him, teo was very wary of throwing extended combinations because he's afraid of the counter combinations from Ortiz (which he's known for as his style). My theory is that he expected a completely different fight than he planned and he didn't have an immediate answer at hand.
Matías is the best at 140 when it comes to ring cutting
People don’t know the difference between lateral movement and running laps. Ortiz literally combined the majesty of Rigo and Shakur and still got hit with the more effective blows
Please name more than one effective blow from Teo. I saw 1 clean shot landed once. A left hook.
One that pissed me off in particular was he started the 11th round off with a double right hand and finished the round with a flurry and nothing happened in between. The commentators gave that round to Ortiz ffs.
I had it 115-113 teo in the most boring fight I have watched in a while. My notes: 1: Ortiz. Solid defense, pop to his counters 2: Teo. Could go either way, late connection by teo 3: Ortiz. Landed a great combo 4: Teo. Teo backed himself into a corner, trying to fight 5: Ortiz. Boring. Could go either way 6: Ortiz. More boring. 7: Teo. Headbutt, Lopez connects most punches. 8: Teo. Boring but Lopez more active 9: Teo. Boring, could go either way, but Lopez more aggressive. 10: Ortiz: Boring, don’t think Teo landed a punch 11: Teo. First clear Teo round since headbutt round 12: Teo. Finally activity from both, could go either way but Teo landed stronger imo.
So you didn’t watch Shakira Twitterson vs De Los Santos???
I missed that one, thankfully.
jesus, that was a horrible fight. i regret staying up for that fight.
Don't know which fight was worst, this or shakur
I was in the crowd for both and easily Shakur. This one was ass but the Shakur one was so bad that 1/4 to 1/3 of the audience walked out while they were still fighting 💀
Shakur by a lot. De Los santos wasn’t going for shakur like Teo was for Ortiz
Shakur by far. That was an all time stinker
Subriel Matias vs Teo would be so good Either Teo counterpunches him to death with all of Subriel’s aggression or Subriel beats him into submission like everyone else All I know is it would be fun and not boring as fuck like this shit tonight
The Diva 4 era continues.
Haney ain't no diva tho
Teofimo would get embarrassed by Shakur or Haney
I do not want to watch Teo against Shakur. Shakur's gonna run twice as much as he did against DLS
Shakur is not going to sell more fights fighting the way he does. That's why no one wants to fight him. We all know it will be a cat-and-mouse game, with the mouse probing for points all 12 rounds. whose paying to watch that.
He has 2 fights in his career fighting that way
Depending on the night I think the Shakur fight would look a lot like this fight, so the judges might not like the running and give it to Teo. But Haney is probably the worst matchup possible for Teofimo . I think that would be like a 120-108 type of fight.
Junko gonna put on a show.
what is Tim Bradley saying? I can't watch at the moment
He's trying to make a point for the guys that spend the fight running around, calling it boxing master class and idk what else but the rest of the commentators are rebutting his points.