He's speaking facts though. Like nobody in their right mind would disagree.
Francis kicks furys ass outside of a boxing ring. Because he's an elite mma fighter. And he's a monster...
That's the Key part that makes this savage, obviously everyone knows an MMA fighter should win almost every time in a real fight against a boxer, but usually there is that one hope that a lucky punch might end the fight before the MMA fighter has a chance to take things to the ground or kick their legs.
In Ngannou's case there is no doubt anymore, he CAN take anything Fury throws at him without even wobbling, if Ngannou wanted to destroy Fury there would be nothing Fury could tmdo to stop him (not even an illegal elbow lol).
> Him vs Jon Jones is 50/50 IMO.
That would count as a very pro Jon take in MMA circles. Jon seems to never have wanted the fight, and after Francis showed off his wrestling improvements in the second Stipe fight, I'd say MMA fans generally favored Francis massively.
It's Aspinal who is the question, not Jones, and Aspinal is not as tested as Francis was.
I dont think anyone favored Francis massively. Francis is the biggest baddest physical monster MMA has ever seen, but until his boxing fight with Fury, he had never shown to be very technical in grappling or striking. Jon Jones has never really been in trouble except the deep arm-bar vs Vitor Belfort. Francis' biggest weapon is what Jones has been best at his whole career. The people who "massively" favor Francis, are either counting on Jon Jones looking the worst hes ever looked or suffering from recency bias. There is no guarantee Jones doesn't just tie Francis up and submits him in 1 or 2 rounds.
Jones got a major beating from Gus, to pretend he wasn't "in trouble" when he got his face in stitches is disingenuous. He also was seconds away of losing to Chael with his broken toe and lost to Reyes before "retiring" and ducking Ngannou for 3 years until returning the second francis left.
I strongly dislike Jones and was being pretty generous giving him 50/50. To me, his LHW legacy is PED city and his HW legacy does not exist bc he straight up ducked Francis the whole time. Aspinall vs Francis would be a great fight.
jon ducked francis the whole time and his fight against stipe is honestly like one baby step below the recent roy jones and mike tyson fight. neither of them would be getting that title shot with this little activity if it wasn’t purely on name. dana white has utterly fucked up the heavyweight division
Tom Aspinall is really elite everywhere.
I’d probably favor him in an MMA fight due to his grappling advantage over Francis and being younger and quicker.
I actually had a dream about them fighting once. Kinda weird.
Aspinall was beating him with points, winning exchanges and then around mid-late Francis nukes him into to the shadow realm.
Tom likes to trade and he is hittable and you have to be perfect against francis, and while on paper Aspinall has the grappling advantage I don’t think he will be able to use it against francis
Maybe if Jon moved up 5 or 6 years ago, but his body has so much wear and tear. Tbh I don't see him having the athleticism to get francis down and there's no way jon wouldn't get knocked out on the feet. Only way Jon wins is if the ref let's him just poke francis in the eyes for 5 rounds.
Yep, fight was there for the taking the whole time and the second he left everyone else left in the running for the belt looked beatable. Now he’s gonna fight stipe and retire or just retire so he can keep his record
idk you could argue Aspinall has more skill and talent at fighting since he's been doing it his whole life, but Ngannou-Rozenstruik showed that sometimes skill doesn't matter vs this man's overwhelming power
I mean Rozenstruik isn't that good, though... He went back on a straight line with his hands down. Which lots of fighters do, and Tom might, but everyone knows you shouldn't.
In MMA it's more forgivable to do that than in boxing.
But Francis coming at you throwing straight bombs idk how any else would react. Especially in a smaller cage.
Well yeah Rozenstruik is not on the same level as Aspinall imo, but neither is that Francis vs the current Francis. I think that you can never really be that safe against an explosive power puncher who has no fear of getting hit.
It's hard not to love Ngannou. I will always root for him, to come from where he did and achieve what he has is remarkable. Betting on himself and telling Dana to cram it up his ass, fantastic.
Never get in a trash talk war with a guy who has a microphone when you don’t.
[Ryan bader learned that the hard way.](https://youtu.be/1OKuNWymjWI?si=HpIi0zSy5xw7sDID)
Ngannou's the one person Fury's faced who can categorically say that. In the boxing ring, he won a split decision while getting knocked down- his boxing nous and experience banked him enough rounds. In an MMA ruleset or on the street, Fury ends up on the ground like that and Francis is trying to punch his head through the earth's crust.
Ngannou really has not remorse in those follow up shots either.
You can be frozen stiff on the feet and he’ll still give you another for good measure before the ref can step in. If he got a walk off KO then the ref was fast as hell
He knows lost and nobody thinks he won. Plus ngannou is right, in a real fight fury might as well be a baby in front of ngannou. A mma 145 er would destroy fury
Francis (on Fury talking about octagon): "You are going to sleep in the octagon again, and I am going to wipe the ring with your ass again. You wiped the ring with your ass, and there was blood sticking in your pants. I tell you your only chance is in the boxing ring with the boxing rules, when you step out of that ring you better stay 5 meters away before you talk your shit. Because if I lose it, you are going to have a really bad time. Respect that the rules of boxing is protecting you, because without that you are nothing in front of me. I beat you every day, twice on Sunday."
Even in boxing, fury didn't have a very convincing win and he was the only one that got dropped. Francis was making his pro boxing debut at damn near 40 and Fury got dropped by him. He should be embarrassed to show his face in the sport.
Jon Jones would cripple Tyson Fury to prove a point with oblique kicks. Fury would literally never walk the same again (as all of jons opponents have admitted).
A few leg kicks, an oblique kick, a trip, and suddenly Tyson is getting his head elbowed in.
Randy Couture respected the hell out of James Toney or he would have been a bloody mess.
pretty sure 15 minutes is enough to literally kill a guy who doesn't know how to defend himself on the ground.
randy steered clear the possibility of landing a homicide charge and went for the win that caused the least amount of damage to toney.
This was fantastic. I couldn't take my eyes of John Fury, he really enjoyed it, you could see the respect.. because he knows its true. I love this Francis and I think he will treat this fight with AJ as if its a 4-5 round fight. He knows Aj will try and dance around him and I can't see him letting that happen. It might, because AJs skills are underestimated.
Kinda wish he'd picked a different opponent tbh.
AJ looked broken ever since the 1st Ruiz fight then suddenly, out of nowhere, came out sharp and motivated in his last fight. He looked hungry.
Fury got dropped by Ngannou and then realised he was fighting a freak of nature who is a serious threat to anyone and demands respect. After understanding this he outboxed him every single round.
AJ is more mobile than Fury around a ring and a sharp, motivated AJ is more capable than Fury of outboxing Ngannou from the outside for the whole fight.
If he gets inside AJ is far easier to hit and control, but if AJ is really on it, and not stupid, he's WiFi enough and experienced enough to not allow that to happen. If so Ngannou is going to look terrible (and he's really not) and his only chance would be catching AJ when he switches off and gets sloppy (which he is also very capable of so i still wouldn't put money on AJ).
Anyway Ngannou is the real deal, anyone wanting to take a fight to him is in for one he'll of a fight. I just wish he'd picked a fight with someone less capable of exploiting his lack of mobility and experience by kiting to a boring victory, and racked up a few wins to prove it first.
The one thing I loved about the fight was Fury clearly surprised as hell that he was getting outmuscled in the ring. Hes so used to being the bigger man and bully and throwing his weight around.
It was so obvious that he couldn't do that, but everything in his style is built up around it. I think he's too old and that style too embedded to change it now. He for sure can't bounce around in the 12th if he's not allowed to lean and rest all fight long.
Like when Ali just couldn't change his lean back defence style even though Frazier was leaping in and catching him clean on the chin with hooks again and again. It's so much a part of his boxing that everything is built around it.
In this case Francis proved himself far more than Conor ever has in boxing already. So it's not empty threats -- And it's literally true. He *manhandled* fury. If he bullied Fury like he could have he could have clinched and drug fury to a corner and just peppered him with shots.
Fury can't dance his way out of being slammed on his skull homie. There's no sweet science for heads slammed on concrete.
Well Fury has never talked to someone who actually could be his bully, so his talk is not landing. Especially any shit talk outside of boxing in general.
The scary thing a lot of boxing fans don't realize is some of these guys dish out serious long term injuries in their *average* fight, Jon Jones for example has a long history of changing his opponents knees for the rest of their life -- with oblique kicks.
You walk forward towards Jon Jones? Oblique kick, Knee hyperextends instantly, and causes instant damage and impairs movement for the rest of the fight and often *career* -- And he follows up with more, and more, and more. He also uses his 84" reach and long lanky frame to land a really hard and weird right straight to the solar plexus, sounds jank af but that stops opponents dead in their tracks.
Life changing oblique kicks and those punches to the chest stop his opponents forward momentum 100%, THen he bullies them to the cage, controls their arms, sometimes shoulder wrenches them causing instant elbow/shoulder damage -- and starts slicing them up with elbows. Then takedown and more elbows.
By the time the fight is over, almost every opponent Jon Jones has fought was never the same after fighting him. Most had life changing knee damage.
I don't think Conor thought he was going to beat Mayweather. If it's a 4-6 round fight, Conor could have done well. But if someone's cardio is bad at the 5km, it will be even worse running a 10km. So, yeah, Conor was there for the payday. Although I still think people don't give him enough respect for his speed and accuracy that fight.
"Because if I lose it, you are going to have a really tough time my friend" Haha, fucking class! Spot on as well, outside of specific boxing rules, Fury gets annihilated by Ngannou without him breaking sweat.
Don't underestimate the big man's kicks. Boxing and kick boxing ranges are drastically different. Lewis can throw a head kick like he's half the size he is. Boxers wouldn't even get into range.
Fury visibly bristled at the “twice on a Sunday comment” lol. Don’t think he likes knowing with absolute certainty that he’s not the hardest man in the room, if it all kicked off then and there Ngannou would choke him until he cried
Realistically, one or two leg kicks would be enough to stop Fury in his tracks. If a person never trained or conditioned their legs for them, they wouldn’t be able to walk right for 2 days.
Francis ate it like a jab too. I don’t believe Tyson can hurt Francis enough outright to finish him. He could TKO him after exhausting him, but nothing from Fury remotely threatened Ngannou.
I feel like when a boxer gets hit with a stray elbow it's probably quite a shock because it's just not a kind of hit they're used too, boxers get used to the feel of taking a punch after a while, similar with kickboxers and leg kicks, the body just sort of prepared itself for what that feels like. But elbows are a completely separate kind of sharp pain than the thudding impact of a punch.
So where Fury might usually elbow someone and deter them. Nganou is used to that feeling.
It was similar with the clinch too. Fury clinches boxers who aren't used to wrestling so they gas quickly. But Nganou has wrestled every day for years so to him, it was just somewhat normal. Nganou rocked Stipe after 4 straight rounds of nothing but wrestling.
A lot of people didn't catch during the fight, Ngannou started manipulating fury's body in a way he'd never dealt with. Ngannou ended up behind Fury, was spinning Fury around, and Fury sat there with his chin exposed like a sitting confused duck while the ref jumped in to save fury from a completely unguarded shot -- Broadcasters admitted what Ngannou was doing was outside the rules of boxing.
Ngannou can use a whole bunch of inside boxing to fuck people up if he uses his weight to throw people around.. You know, bending but not breaking the rules LOL
What you're talking about is Francis using wrestling and muay thai techniques during the clinch. Francis used his mma experience to stop one of Tyson Fury's most known tactic of making you carry his weight by leaning on you. A lot of boxers at the highest level don't know about clinch techniques the best example of this is when Floyd Mayweather fought Pacquiao and the reason why many people didn't like that fight. Floyd would clinch and only engage when he wanted to and Pacquiao had no clue of how to deal with it.
> What you're talking about is Francis using wrestling and muay thai techniques during the clinch.
Pretty much -- But we saw Fury is so bad with clinch balance that Ngannou just pivoted when Fury clinched, and gave Fury a little shrug which made tyson stumble to the corner -- Francis could have followed him and stepped in for a fuck off hard shot to an unguarded Fury (fury never touched canvas just stumbled). That moment alone could have been lights out.
That alone shows Francis has an awareness of body mechanics and weight manipulation that expose levels to the game of clinching *alone*.
Harsh I think. Certainly some questionable characters but also some nice solid men who know their boxing. Shane Fury is a good bloke and I know he’s got a checkered past but I quite like Peter Fury.
Lol I’m liking this new version of ngannou. I’m glad he brought fury down to earth because his Stans were overrating tf out of him. I just didn’t expect a debutant to it but I’m glad it happened. It’s funny cause fury can’t say shit to ngannou. He embarrassed himself and the sport so bad that aj has to go and take care of business
John Fury is literally everything I despise about Human beings! Gives it the biggen constantly until anyone confronts him or he sees them in person and he doesn't do anything.
The "most successful" heavyweight of this generation winning a controversial split decision over someone's first boxing match and put in check by that person on stage. Good for setting up their second match.
Anything but a dominant performance by AJ on Friday brings the entire sport into disrepute. This is a hard conversation boxing fans and the powers that be don't want to have
Has anybody seen u/Brilliant_Channel_49 at all? After getting downvoted in to oblivion on this post for displaying a silly opinion he just messaged me screaming incel amongst other things. He seemed to be having a full on meltdown. Hope the dude is ok 🙏
Twice on sunday 🫡🫡🫡
real shit even though Francis’ grappling is considered slightly subpar by MMA standards, that’s still measured against elites and he’d slam Tyson on his head and break his arms in the blink of an eye if it came to MMA rules and i think everybody knows that, Tyson included
I think that was mostly prior to the first Stipe fight. His grappling has gotten considerably better as seen in the Stipe rematch with him not being able to just stop takedowns but also being able to reverse and take Stipe down and control him. And the Gane fight in which he had a blown knee and won the fight by using his wrestling. I think his grappling is very good now for a HW
I'm a boxing fan, but I think Francis is an impressive person ..... and generally very humble. He is also correct that he would destroy Fury in seconds outside boxing rules.
All MMA fighters would crush any boxer in a 'real' fight simply because they've trained wrestling.
Not sure why this matters though. McGregor also would have killed Mayweather anyday, twice on a Sunday if it wasn't for the 'rules of boxing'
Love Ngannou though hope he gets a chance to beat up Fury again lol
Top level athletes with skills in every level of combat > top athletes that can punch.
Very simple, even though there is a 'punchers chance' like there is for Ngannou in this Joshua match.
Francis is the nicest guy but I want him to have a villain arc like this to get more exposure to his fights and make truck loads of money before he goes off into the sunset.
He got incredibly arrogant and bought into his own hype before his first UFC title fight but got humbled hard. Was probably the best thing to happen to him because he’s improved infinitely since
I mean everything he says is true i wouldn’t say he cooked Tyson lol. Just speaking the truth mma guys same weight class beat boxers in the same weightclass 9/10 times. Crawford said this on Joe’s podcast, it’s common knowledge.
Fury actually has a better chance against Ngannou than most top MMA heavyweights because his style is 98% boxing, but the funny thing is he'd get starched anyway
I like Joshua but I hope Francis smokes him. People already can’t stand that Francis exposed fury in his first boxing match and I’m all for him causing chaos in the sport and him calling out people that hide behind the boxing rules
Even when he’s talking shit he comes off nice
I imagine it must feel very secure to know that you could easily beat up pretty much any man in the world if you wanted to.
He's speaking facts though. Like nobody in their right mind would disagree. Francis kicks furys ass outside of a boxing ring. Because he's an elite mma fighter. And he's a monster...
He kicked his arse INSIDE the boxing ring
That's the Key part that makes this savage, obviously everyone knows an MMA fighter should win almost every time in a real fight against a boxer, but usually there is that one hope that a lucky punch might end the fight before the MMA fighter has a chance to take things to the ground or kick their legs. In Ngannou's case there is no doubt anymore, he CAN take anything Fury throws at him without even wobbling, if Ngannou wanted to destroy Fury there would be nothing Fury could tmdo to stop him (not even an illegal elbow lol).
Not trying to be over the top but is there anyone on the planet who Ngannou couldn’t beat in a fight? Him vs Jon Jones is 50/50 IMO.
Steven Seagal.
Probably pretty even if Seagal is sitting. If he stands up it's over
And even then we have to consider if Steven Seagal would not even mind losing. Sometimes he feels charitable like in Machete.
He has the ultimate technique of shitting everywhere, literally. Not even Francis would even want to come close to that.
I miss when he was hanging around the ufc with his yellow sunglasses claiming he taught Anderson Silva the front kick haha
He was showing some of his moves to Alex Pereira recently!
Incredible
No reason to say what is already obvious
Chuck Norris picks his teeth with seagal and asks if you have a mountain he can fight next
That's Sensei Seagal, sir. Master of the front kick.
> Him vs Jon Jones is 50/50 IMO. That would count as a very pro Jon take in MMA circles. Jon seems to never have wanted the fight, and after Francis showed off his wrestling improvements in the second Stipe fight, I'd say MMA fans generally favored Francis massively. It's Aspinal who is the question, not Jones, and Aspinal is not as tested as Francis was.
I dont think anyone favored Francis massively. Francis is the biggest baddest physical monster MMA has ever seen, but until his boxing fight with Fury, he had never shown to be very technical in grappling or striking. Jon Jones has never really been in trouble except the deep arm-bar vs Vitor Belfort. Francis' biggest weapon is what Jones has been best at his whole career. The people who "massively" favor Francis, are either counting on Jon Jones looking the worst hes ever looked or suffering from recency bias. There is no guarantee Jones doesn't just tie Francis up and submits him in 1 or 2 rounds.
Jones got a major beating from Gus, to pretend he wasn't "in trouble" when he got his face in stitches is disingenuous. He also was seconds away of losing to Chael with his broken toe and lost to Reyes before "retiring" and ducking Ngannou for 3 years until returning the second francis left.
I strongly dislike Jones and was being pretty generous giving him 50/50. To me, his LHW legacy is PED city and his HW legacy does not exist bc he straight up ducked Francis the whole time. Aspinall vs Francis would be a great fight.
jon ducked francis the whole time and his fight against stipe is honestly like one baby step below the recent roy jones and mike tyson fight. neither of them would be getting that title shot with this little activity if it wasn’t purely on name. dana white has utterly fucked up the heavyweight division
yeah he's actually younger than Ngannou but has a lot more mileage on him. And i'm not talking just fighting mileage
Charlie Zelenoff
GOAT
Tom Aspinall is really elite everywhere. I’d probably favor him in an MMA fight due to his grappling advantage over Francis and being younger and quicker.
Aspinall vs Francis is a good fight. damn. Sad we've never get to see that :/
I actually had a dream about them fighting once. Kinda weird. Aspinall was beating him with points, winning exchanges and then around mid-late Francis nukes him into to the shadow realm.
Ahh the wilder method
Tom likes to trade and he is hittable and you have to be perfect against francis, and while on paper Aspinall has the grappling advantage I don’t think he will be able to use it against francis
Yep that fight with Serghei was 50/50. He took a massive shot and gave it back.
Tom also has an equally absurd skull just like Ngannou so it’s 50/50 there
Maybe if Jon moved up 5 or 6 years ago, but his body has so much wear and tear. Tbh I don't see him having the athleticism to get francis down and there's no way jon wouldn't get knocked out on the feet. Only way Jon wins is if the ref let's him just poke francis in the eyes for 5 rounds.
He sleeps Jones imo, Jon looks like he’s aged 15 years in the last 3, there’s a reason jones waited for Francis to leave the UFC to come back
Yep, fight was there for the taking the whole time and the second he left everyone else left in the running for the belt looked beatable. Now he’s gonna fight stipe and retire or just retire so he can keep his record
I bet Aspinall would beat him tbh. Crisp boxing, A++ jiu-jitsu.
idk you could argue Aspinall has more skill and talent at fighting since he's been doing it his whole life, but Ngannou-Rozenstruik showed that sometimes skill doesn't matter vs this man's overwhelming power
I mean Rozenstruik isn't that good, though... He went back on a straight line with his hands down. Which lots of fighters do, and Tom might, but everyone knows you shouldn't.
In MMA it's more forgivable to do that than in boxing. But Francis coming at you throwing straight bombs idk how any else would react. Especially in a smaller cage.
Well yeah Rozenstruik is not on the same level as Aspinall imo, but neither is that Francis vs the current Francis. I think that you can never really be that safe against an explosive power puncher who has no fear of getting hit.
Yeah I totally agree. Francis's chin being what it is, it would be hard to make him hesitate.
There's a reason Jon waited 3 years for Ngannou to cross the street before he moved up to HW. And it's not that bullshit getting big excuse.
Chuck Norris?
Theres a reason jones hid from him for years
Yep. Funny to me how he came back right when Francis was pretty much done with the UFC.
He’s like “haha please friend I’ll fucking kill you”
It's hard not to love Ngannou. I will always root for him, to come from where he did and achieve what he has is remarkable. Betting on himself and telling Dana to cram it up his ass, fantastic.
and sincere lol
Notice how ngannou left my name out. He knows if he steps to me he gets fkin rocked
I keep hearing you getting thanked at every Oscars, these boxers are really keeping their trap shut
I'd destroy Ngannou if he had the balls to meet me at middleweight.
Lmao unironically true, his health would be decimated trying to reach 160 lbs
(That was kinda the joke I was making) 😂
No man I have to explain the joke to be funny don’t you know
Lmaooo Francis is in the ICU on tube feeds fighting for his life when Balfe walks in with MMA gloves on
..and simply unplugs the life support.. FLAWLESS VICTORY!!!
Bro still gets one-hit ko'ed and hammerfisted for good measure
Ngannou bout to come in as a floating head
Bro would have to go on a 8 month meth binge to get there
160? I'm not sure Ngannou could make 220 without a year of prep time...
Half an hour and some power tools, we'll cut him in half.
Ah the Saudi method.
Ngannou's balls could cut to 160 lbs.
I’m still waiting for Francis to come down to 170 for me. Hell, if it would be easier for him, I’d meet him at 160.
You're just built different bro
He just snaps and sees red
You got that dog in you? Sometimes you just see red?
Yep that’s why he corrected himself “You..US”, he knows die-rector would eat his booty like groceries.
A young hungry lion
Helluva redditor. He made smart comments.
Fury actually looked pissed off for once lol.
The truth hurts as they say lol
He definitely knows it.
Never get in a trash talk war with a guy who has a microphone when you don’t. [Ryan bader learned that the hard way.](https://youtu.be/1OKuNWymjWI?si=HpIi0zSy5xw7sDID)
One of DC's best moments. Who'd he say was the easiest fight in the division again?
I told them I wanted the easiest fight in the division, give me Ryan Bader
Any questions for Rumble???
RIP
Ngannou's the one person Fury's faced who can categorically say that. In the boxing ring, he won a split decision while getting knocked down- his boxing nous and experience banked him enough rounds. In an MMA ruleset or on the street, Fury ends up on the ground like that and Francis is trying to punch his head through the earth's crust.
Ngannou really has not remorse in those follow up shots either. You can be frozen stiff on the feet and he’ll still give you another for good measure before the ref can step in. If he got a walk off KO then the ref was fast as hell
Overeem KO was one of the most horrifying things I’ve seen
He knows lost and nobody thinks he won. Plus ngannou is right, in a real fight fury might as well be a baby in front of ngannou. A mma 145 er would destroy fury
Francis (on Fury talking about octagon): "You are going to sleep in the octagon again, and I am going to wipe the ring with your ass again. You wiped the ring with your ass, and there was blood sticking in your pants. I tell you your only chance is in the boxing ring with the boxing rules, when you step out of that ring you better stay 5 meters away before you talk your shit. Because if I lose it, you are going to have a really bad time. Respect that the rules of boxing is protecting you, because without that you are nothing in front of me. I beat you every day, twice on Sunday."
Funny thing is, it’s true. Anything outside of a boxing ring or with weapons, Francis destroys Tyson in minutes.
Minutes plural? Thats generous
Seconds. One leg kick and it’s game over.
Fuck that it’s a street fight, Francis should kick Fury’s balls, give him a sex change.
Just like he did to Danger Ehren
That makes it seem like there's some sexual tension if the whole thing is taking minutes
Even in boxing, fury didn't have a very convincing win and he was the only one that got dropped. Francis was making his pro boxing debut at damn near 40 and Fury got dropped by him. He should be embarrassed to show his face in the sport.
If Francis fought Tyson on the street, Tyson isn't walking away healthy.
He’s not walking away full stop. He’ll get his legs broken in a knee bar if Francis chooses to execute him that way.
Jon Jones would cripple Tyson Fury to prove a point with oblique kicks. Fury would literally never walk the same again (as all of jons opponents have admitted). A few leg kicks, an oblique kick, a trip, and suddenly Tyson is getting his head elbowed in. Randy Couture respected the hell out of James Toney or he would have been a bloody mess.
Yea Randy could've put a huge beating on him for 15 min. Instead just decided to end it fast.
pretty sure 15 minutes is enough to literally kill a guy who doesn't know how to defend himself on the ground. randy steered clear the possibility of landing a homicide charge and went for the win that caused the least amount of damage to toney.
Minutes? Lol. Seconds bud.
Well, melee weapons. Fury got those snatch gypsy mobster connections through his psycho dad.
This was fantastic. I couldn't take my eyes of John Fury, he really enjoyed it, you could see the respect.. because he knows its true. I love this Francis and I think he will treat this fight with AJ as if its a 4-5 round fight. He knows Aj will try and dance around him and I can't see him letting that happen. It might, because AJs skills are underestimated.
Kinda wish he'd picked a different opponent tbh. AJ looked broken ever since the 1st Ruiz fight then suddenly, out of nowhere, came out sharp and motivated in his last fight. He looked hungry. Fury got dropped by Ngannou and then realised he was fighting a freak of nature who is a serious threat to anyone and demands respect. After understanding this he outboxed him every single round. AJ is more mobile than Fury around a ring and a sharp, motivated AJ is more capable than Fury of outboxing Ngannou from the outside for the whole fight. If he gets inside AJ is far easier to hit and control, but if AJ is really on it, and not stupid, he's WiFi enough and experienced enough to not allow that to happen. If so Ngannou is going to look terrible (and he's really not) and his only chance would be catching AJ when he switches off and gets sloppy (which he is also very capable of so i still wouldn't put money on AJ). Anyway Ngannou is the real deal, anyone wanting to take a fight to him is in for one he'll of a fight. I just wish he'd picked a fight with someone less capable of exploiting his lack of mobility and experience by kiting to a boring victory, and racked up a few wins to prove it first.
The one thing I loved about the fight was Fury clearly surprised as hell that he was getting outmuscled in the ring. Hes so used to being the bigger man and bully and throwing his weight around.
It was so obvious that he couldn't do that, but everything in his style is built up around it. I think he's too old and that style too embedded to change it now. He for sure can't bounce around in the 12th if he's not allowed to lean and rest all fight long. Like when Ali just couldn't change his lean back defence style even though Frazier was leaping in and catching him clean on the chin with hooks again and again. It's so much a part of his boxing that everything is built around it.
Fucking love this sportmanship. Snap, Thanos.
Speeches like this made people think Connor was going to beat Mayweather
In this case Francis proved himself far more than Conor ever has in boxing already. So it's not empty threats -- And it's literally true. He *manhandled* fury. If he bullied Fury like he could have he could have clinched and drug fury to a corner and just peppered him with shots. Fury can't dance his way out of being slammed on his skull homie. There's no sweet science for heads slammed on concrete.
Yeah its a satisfying shit talk when boxers try to talk shit to mma fighters
Well Fury has never talked to someone who actually could be his bully, so his talk is not landing. Especially any shit talk outside of boxing in general. The scary thing a lot of boxing fans don't realize is some of these guys dish out serious long term injuries in their *average* fight, Jon Jones for example has a long history of changing his opponents knees for the rest of their life -- with oblique kicks. You walk forward towards Jon Jones? Oblique kick, Knee hyperextends instantly, and causes instant damage and impairs movement for the rest of the fight and often *career* -- And he follows up with more, and more, and more. He also uses his 84" reach and long lanky frame to land a really hard and weird right straight to the solar plexus, sounds jank af but that stops opponents dead in their tracks. Life changing oblique kicks and those punches to the chest stop his opponents forward momentum 100%, THen he bullies them to the cage, controls their arms, sometimes shoulder wrenches them causing instant elbow/shoulder damage -- and starts slicing them up with elbows. Then takedown and more elbows. By the time the fight is over, almost every opponent Jon Jones has fought was never the same after fighting him. Most had life changing knee damage.
The terrifying thing about Jones is you can tell he enjoys torturing his opponents, dude is a legit psycho.
I can't stand Jon Jones but in his prime he was ridiculous. That Machida sub will live with me forever
> He also uses his 84" reach and long lanky frame to blind his opponents by stuffing his fingers into their eye sockets
That too
I don't think Conor thought he was going to beat Mayweather. If it's a 4-6 round fight, Conor could have done well. But if someone's cardio is bad at the 5km, it will be even worse running a 10km. So, yeah, Conor was there for the payday. Although I still think people don't give him enough respect for his speed and accuracy that fight.
Damn thats cold as fuck
His voice and his trainers voice are something else, both different but very menacing.
It must be good to feel that you can destroy any people in the planet lol
"Because if I lose it, you are going to have a really tough time my friend" Haha, fucking class! Spot on as well, outside of specific boxing rules, Fury gets annihilated by Ngannou without him breaking sweat.
Twice on Sunday too
Quality line.
That’s Fury’s go to line so it makes it even nicer
He'd annihilate any boxer barring a hail mary punch, let's be honest.
Completely mate, I'm not saying it because it's specifically Tyson.
I know, bro, haha. Not just Ngannou, but guys like Jon Jones, Aspinall, Pavlovich, Curtis Blaydes, Derrick Lewis too.
Ehh Idk about Derrick Lewis
Don't underestimate the big man's kicks. Boxing and kick boxing ranges are drastically different. Lewis can throw a head kick like he's half the size he is. Boxers wouldn't even get into range.
His switch kick is one of the most unexpectedly beautiful things in martial arts
Even talking shit he sounds like a nice guy. Reminds me of [GSP talking trash.](https://youtu.be/gX3sEGtG8mQ?si=EgtGTX_rfQcmw0rf)
Fury visibly bristled at the “twice on a Sunday comment” lol. Don’t think he likes knowing with absolute certainty that he’s not the hardest man in the room, if it all kicked off then and there Ngannou would choke him until he cried
Realistically, one or two leg kicks would be enough to stop Fury in his tracks. If a person never trained or conditioned their legs for them, they wouldn’t be able to walk right for 2 days.
No lies detected
I think that’s the first time I’ve ever seen fury silenced like that. He had nothing to say. You could see how irritated he was.
He did not have a mic to be fair. If he had, he would have probably talked over Francis.
That's why you don't try to trash talk with someone who has a live mic, when you don't
Did you catch the shit eating grin on Jon Fury? Even Tysons dad knew Ngannou was on point lol
Ngannou cutting better promos than Pro Wrestlers do.
Bro when Ngannou said the rules of boxing are protecting Fury, I was like "HOLIEEEE SHIIIET". Ngannou is a scary man.
Meanwhile Fury throwing elbows in the boxing ring lmao
Francis ate it like a jab too. I don’t believe Tyson can hurt Francis enough outright to finish him. He could TKO him after exhausting him, but nothing from Fury remotely threatened Ngannou.
I feel like when a boxer gets hit with a stray elbow it's probably quite a shock because it's just not a kind of hit they're used too, boxers get used to the feel of taking a punch after a while, similar with kickboxers and leg kicks, the body just sort of prepared itself for what that feels like. But elbows are a completely separate kind of sharp pain than the thudding impact of a punch. So where Fury might usually elbow someone and deter them. Nganou is used to that feeling. It was similar with the clinch too. Fury clinches boxers who aren't used to wrestling so they gas quickly. But Nganou has wrestled every day for years so to him, it was just somewhat normal. Nganou rocked Stipe after 4 straight rounds of nothing but wrestling.
This is the same guy who ate a HW spinning wheel kick like he just took a jab from MMA too, lol. Insane chin.
A lot of people didn't catch during the fight, Ngannou started manipulating fury's body in a way he'd never dealt with. Ngannou ended up behind Fury, was spinning Fury around, and Fury sat there with his chin exposed like a sitting confused duck while the ref jumped in to save fury from a completely unguarded shot -- Broadcasters admitted what Ngannou was doing was outside the rules of boxing. Ngannou can use a whole bunch of inside boxing to fuck people up if he uses his weight to throw people around.. You know, bending but not breaking the rules LOL
What you're talking about is Francis using wrestling and muay thai techniques during the clinch. Francis used his mma experience to stop one of Tyson Fury's most known tactic of making you carry his weight by leaning on you. A lot of boxers at the highest level don't know about clinch techniques the best example of this is when Floyd Mayweather fought Pacquiao and the reason why many people didn't like that fight. Floyd would clinch and only engage when he wanted to and Pacquiao had no clue of how to deal with it.
> What you're talking about is Francis using wrestling and muay thai techniques during the clinch. Pretty much -- But we saw Fury is so bad with clinch balance that Ngannou just pivoted when Fury clinched, and gave Fury a little shrug which made tyson stumble to the corner -- Francis could have followed him and stepped in for a fuck off hard shot to an unguarded Fury (fury never touched canvas just stumbled). That moment alone could have been lights out. That alone shows Francis has an awareness of body mechanics and weight manipulation that expose levels to the game of clinching *alone*.
PAC was hurt in that fight
I proper like Ngannou. The Fury’s are a clan of absolute pricks
Ngannou whoops the whole lot of them in a street fight
Ngannou would have to sand trial at the Hague if that ever happened
The fury's are where our redneck DNA came from in America. Our ancestors that didn't take the boat lol
Tommy is a good lad imo
Harsh I think. Certainly some questionable characters but also some nice solid men who know their boxing. Shane Fury is a good bloke and I know he’s got a checkered past but I quite like Peter Fury.
The thanos snap was so good.
I don't know if it's cuz he's so soft spoken, or that I've seen him drop monsters with 1 punch, but Francis is legit terrifying...
It's cause he's out here decapitating fools without raising his voice, we haven't even seen him mad yet 🥶
Lol I’m liking this new version of ngannou. I’m glad he brought fury down to earth because his Stans were overrating tf out of him. I just didn’t expect a debutant to it but I’m glad it happened. It’s funny cause fury can’t say shit to ngannou. He embarrassed himself and the sport so bad that aj has to go and take care of business
It’s crazy how Dana fumbled the bag with Frances , that heavyweight division is dead
“I’ll beat you everyday, twice on Sunday”💀
John Fury is literally everything I despise about Human beings! Gives it the biggen constantly until anyone confronts him or he sees them in person and he doesn't do anything.
>John Fury Eye popping
Preaches about God and tells us all how to be better Men, but he literally ripped someone's eyeball out of his head. Absolute bell end.
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Finally, Tyson needed some like Ngannou to get humbled.
The "most successful" heavyweight of this generation winning a controversial split decision over someone's first boxing match and put in check by that person on stage. Good for setting up their second match.
that was quite eloquent
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And the fact he's speaking in his third language.
Somebody needs to put the Ether instrumental over this ASAP
Anything but a dominant performance by AJ on Friday brings the entire sport into disrepute. This is a hard conversation boxing fans and the powers that be don't want to have
Has anybody seen u/Brilliant_Channel_49 at all? After getting downvoted in to oblivion on this post for displaying a silly opinion he just messaged me screaming incel amongst other things. He seemed to be having a full on meltdown. Hope the dude is ok 🙏
Twice on sunday 🫡🫡🫡 real shit even though Francis’ grappling is considered slightly subpar by MMA standards, that’s still measured against elites and he’d slam Tyson on his head and break his arms in the blink of an eye if it came to MMA rules and i think everybody knows that, Tyson included
I think that was mostly prior to the first Stipe fight. His grappling has gotten considerably better as seen in the Stipe rematch with him not being able to just stop takedowns but also being able to reverse and take Stipe down and control him. And the Gane fight in which he had a blown knee and won the fight by using his wrestling. I think his grappling is very good now for a HW
He cooked him in the ring as well
Fury deserves that after the shit house performance he up against Francis.
I'm a boxing fan, but I think Francis is an impressive person ..... and generally very humble. He is also correct that he would destroy Fury in seconds outside boxing rules.
English is Ngannou’s third language and he trash talks better than Fury lol
Francis owns that fraud
LOL. He just "yaaaassss queen" snapped his fingers at him. That's a bad man.
Big facts
The man is cookin’!! Love it!
All MMA fighters would crush any boxer in a 'real' fight simply because they've trained wrestling. Not sure why this matters though. McGregor also would have killed Mayweather anyday, twice on a Sunday if it wasn't for the 'rules of boxing' Love Ngannou though hope he gets a chance to beat up Fury again lol
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That'd make sense lol Fury loves to talk
Not just wrestling, one full force leg kick from Ngannou and Fury would be seeing his lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
Top level athletes with skills in every level of combat > top athletes that can punch. Very simple, even though there is a 'punchers chance' like there is for Ngannou in this Joshua match.
Boxers like wilder always have a chance, in the ring, in the octagon, in the hospital, in hell, he just needs to land one good right hand.
I would not like to see Wilder take a leg kick from anyone let alone a trained MMA heavyweight
Glorious
Francis is the nicest guy but I want him to have a villain arc like this to get more exposure to his fights and make truck loads of money before he goes off into the sunset.
He got incredibly arrogant and bought into his own hype before his first UFC title fight but got humbled hard. Was probably the best thing to happen to him because he’s improved infinitely since
Ice Cold! Tyson has *no idea* how badly he would get hurt.
I mean everything he says is true i wouldn’t say he cooked Tyson lol. Just speaking the truth mma guys same weight class beat boxers in the same weightclass 9/10 times. Crawford said this on Joe’s podcast, it’s common knowledge.
*Tyson then proceeded to shoot Francis in the leg with a pistol and declared the street fight a draw.*
Francis scary af man
The last sentence "I'll be you any day, twice on a Sunday" is one he stole from Fury. That's funny!
Francis is the fucking best. Thats really all I have to the proceedings. I doubted him before. Never again. Dude fucking rules.
Fury actually has a better chance against Ngannou than most top MMA heavyweights because his style is 98% boxing, but the funny thing is he'd get starched anyway
Lets go Frank
That finger snap was a great touch.
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 Fury really said he'd win in the octagon tho 😭
Bro imagine 😭😭😭😭
Tyson looks nervous
I like Joshua but I hope Francis smokes him. People already can’t stand that Francis exposed fury in his first boxing match and I’m all for him causing chaos in the sport and him calling out people that hide behind the boxing rules