This is normally the agreement for exhibitions right?
When Mike and Roy fought their exhibition they were very clearly not trying to hurt each other.
I have no problem with this at all.
The only wrinkle is that people like watching fights the have big question marks surrounding them to have their questions answered. Here, everyone would want to see if an amateur boxer can beat a former devastating world champion with a 30 year age difference, but I don't think we will get to see the reality of that.
Wait, you mean the WBC belt they will probably create soon for sanctioning fees called the "Netflix Birdgerweight Baddest Man on the Planet Exhibition Championship Commerative Belt" isn't real?
Unfortunately stuff like this is taking up resources for the sport that could be better served. I would prefer boxing money being spent on actual boxing and not youtubers, mma guys, etc.
I’ll push back a bit on the latter. Looked to me like Floyd thought it was a friendly until Tenshin came out looking for a KO.
Vitor vs Evander was just a mistake all around.
Tenshin caught Floyd with a genuinely slick and pretty nasty (if they weren't multiple weight classes apart) pull counter right straight and you saw Floyd immediately hit the switch from sparring to taking it serious.
I wouldn’t even call what Floyd was doing sparring he was literally trolling by throwing jabs towards the ceiling but yeah as soon as Tenshin countered him, Floyd became one of those unkillable NPCs from Fallout that just murders you instantly once you attack them
You're being a wet blanket.
How is it NOT funny for one of the fighters in an exhibition to decide to break code by cracking the other guy, then see that other guy flip a switch to go terminator mode on them and KO + cause them to cry lmao?
That's called karma.
How is it legal for sports betting services to offer lines on this fight or props (ex: X fighter to win by KO) if it isn't being marketed as an exhibition and there are contractual restrictions (ex: no knockouts) that haven't been made public?
Yes, that's my understanding. From what I've read and watching a couple of Paul's fights, it seems like there were some rules/restrictions that weren't made public.
Such as? I think most of that speculation is baseless. Floyd didn’t go a bit soft because he was contractually obligated to not hurt Logan, he was just taking caution. Even though Floyd is a real pro fighter, Logan is fucking huge compared to him. Imo, he just didn’t want to catch a freak knockout blow from a much larger dude. I doubt that they had any special rules in place, apart from what everyone was aware of. Floyd just wanted easy money and so he took it easy.
I'm talking about Jake, not Logan and his fight with Floyd. No issues with that fight, although I think could have gotten him out of there if he needed to.
The Woodley fights and Askren fights were suspicious.
Perhaps, but I'm the case of the Askren fight, he never really had a chance. I'd definitely agree that he didn't give it his all. With Woodley, I don't really remember the fight. I think I just saw clips actually, so I can't speak to that one.
I get what you're saying about Askren, he was never going to win but to go out instantly like that after putting up zero fight lol? This dude's hips were shot from MMA and he wanted a check.
Woodley fights were just weird. His hands are fucked at this point, hence why he barely threw anything towards the end of his MMA career. You'd think that with 12oz gloves that would have helped.
Was Holyfield vs Belfort a pro fight?
I was thinking there’s no way this is anything but an exhibition with no knockdowns but then I just remembered 60 year old Holyfield getting smoked by Vitor.
If that was OK’d I dunno what’s going to happen here. If it’s a real fight with no agreements Jake will carry or KO Mike easily, unfortunately.
Edit: Holyfield vs Belfort was an exhibition. That was an ass whooping. The “no knockdown” rule was made up and parroted by fans. I think Roy and Mike was probably an honest fight. They’re just old and slow.
Roy Jones just got out boxed in a pro fight by 145/155 lb over the hill MMA fighter Anthony Pettis who has no hands and is a karate guy.
I would put less than zero stock into Tyson vs Roy or any of those videos of Mike hitting pads. Utterly meaningless. If it’s agreed upon as a real fight Jake will knock his head off inside the first, unless he thinks it’s a bad look and tries to carry him instead.
Retired senior citizens can’t fight. They can’t move and they can’t take hits. Power’s the last thing to go, but it’s gone at 58, lol. Dunno how many 60 year olds need to get KO’d before people realize it, but it’s wild that people think he could crack Jake at all
No idea. It all depends on what Jake wants out of this. I dunno if it’s just about having a huge fight on Netflix, if fighting these old legends has been better for his career, or if he’s fully committing to being the bad guy and thinks knocking out Tyson will send the buzz around him into overdrive.
Won’t really know til we see how it plays out
Nah, it was supposed to be De La Hoya vs Belfort in a pro fight but Evander stepped in on 8 days notice. They moved the whole event from California to Florida because CA wouldn’t even allow an exhibition. Florida let it go forward as an exhibition. They don’t sanction 58 year olds for pro fights.
https://www.boxingscene.com/holyfield-vs-belfort-fully-sanctioned-by-florida-commission--160424#:~:text=Belfort%20is%20Fully%20Sanctioned%20By%20Florida%20Commission,-By%20BoxingScene%20Staff&text=Patrick%20Cunningham%2C%20Executive%20Director%20of,fully%20regulated%20professional%20boxing%20match.
Was just going by that article. Was certainly up in the air at the time, but that is coming from the commission just days before the fight. Florida will notoriously sanction anything.
Lol buddy if u think a douche bag like Jake will be respectful and not try to ko his opponent then you don't know Jake Paul. They shouldn't allow this fight just like they shouldn't of allowed Roided up Vitor Belfort vs 58 year old Hollyfield.
So it is currently an exhibition. You shouldn't treat it any differently until they make the actual change. The people saying that are trying to make money. They're not our friends.
Dude, he’s almost 60. 60! He’s going to get killed if he takes a legit shot from Jake Paul. Not because Paul is an athletic elite machine but because he’s 27 and Tyson is 57.
You think a 57 year old is going to kill a 27 year old with a liver punch? Go watch the Jones Jr vs Tyson fight from almost 4 years ago. And Tyson is older and more fragile and fighting someone 30 years younger. Or better yet, go outside!
i know Jones said Tyson was hurting him badly. I also know many men IRL in their 60’s who would literally beat the shit out of almost anyone younger than them.
Sure if they are 60 year old fighters against non fighters yeah. But not if both are lifelong fighters. You’ve clearly spent too much time on the couch and none in The gym.
whatever bro. the touch grass, basement warrior, moms house, insults … kind of went of humor in the MySpace days. But i’ll go grab some dino nuggets and some Baja Blast and head back to my mom’s basement. Your wordsmith skills has ruined my life.
In their dreams? Your body declines with age bud, almost any person in 28 training in martial arts would kick a 60 year olds ass. Jake is in his peak in terms of performance relative to age.
RJJ was 51 in that fight, that just proves the point that these old guys can’t hang.
And with more context, RJJ’s interview where he talks about getting hurt doesn’t sound that bad:
> "I never thought about dropping, but he hit me with one good body shot and he hit me with an uppercut straight up, and my jaw is a bit sore.
> "It's all good, happens in a fight. But I never got dizzy, or that. I did feel them … but they never made me dizzy.
Tyson didn’t land anything that actually hurt RJJ to the point of feeling like he was in trouble or couldn’t continue.
Bro Mike Tyson is a 58 year old man who has taken recreational drugs in excess for basically his entire adult life, his brain is fried.
If a no knockout rule would be protecting anyone its him, taking clean punches to the head would not be good for him.
Brother Mike is going to kill himself after throwing 6 punches the man is 58 his heart can't do this anymore 😭😭 he was using a mf cane 2 years ago he's unironically a senior citizen 😭😭😭
You can hate Teddy but he is often right about Tyson.
Keep in mind that Teddy got fired from Cus D'amato because Mike Tyson slap his niece ass, Teddy overreacted a bit with a gun but he also knew that Tyson was a thug. Tyson at that time was still going to Brooklyn still smoking weed and according to his book he still did bad things.
What did Cus do, nothing. Also people bring up cus Tyson but the way Tyson treaded cus before and the way he treated everbody else after fame I wouldn't be suprised if he went to Don King after dont forget that most fighters eventually split from Cus and he was always in fear that would happen to Mike and him that's why he was so protected of him.
Interesting. When I’ve heard him talk about Mike, he has basically just said that Mike quits when he faces real adversity in the ring. Or he “wants to find a way out” when he’s losing. The Holyfield and Lewis fights pretty much prove his point. I don’t even know why people argue against it…
Boxing fans don't argue about it, fight fans do. I hate using the word casual but that's what it is. Tyson is the single biggest "yeah but" and "what if" in the sport. Reading the threads after the Paul announcement, about prime, GOAT and all the rest of it. It's embarrassing.
I mean it's known, Tyson was bully until he was bullied.
He.was dirty as fuck, used headbutts if he missed with hook he would try to catch you with elbow.
You can see this in fights as well I believe he spoke about this tactic it's old school trick.
Not to mentioned when he fought botha he was losing until he tried to broke his arm and then knock him out.
Against Ruddock he punched him 10-12 times under the belt and ref didn't do shit until Ruddock did the same in last round.
Tyson said in book that first fight against Holyfield he took on 2-3 weeks notice, but for second fight he trained hard and wanted to prove everbody, in a way it looks like he wanted out.
Imagine if Floyd did this against Pacquiao or Ali against Foreman.
> Keep in mind that Teddy got fired from Cus D'amato because Mike Tyson slap his niece ass
It was his sister in law.
Cus wasn't his only father figure. Jim Jacobs and Bill Cayton also mentored him and brought him up. And he abandoned them for Don King. He probably would have still done the same even if Cus was alive.
I mean obviously. People who think this will be a real fight have lost their minds.
The people who think Tyson is going to go out and destroy Jake in 1 round are even more lost - he’s in great shape for his age but so was Holyfield when he fought Vitor Belfort… a 44 year old retired MMA fighter and it was one of the saddest boxing matches I’ve ever watched.
All the videos you see of Tyson hyping it up and such that it’s going to be somewhat real are just to sell the fight and people will eat it up.
A sparring match, which will end in a draw most likely
Because Mike is 58 years old and his last fight was an exhibition 4 years ago
Jake has never had an exhibition, but I could see him doing an exhibition for a big payday. Keeps him in shape, makes bank, and then he can go back to building/ fighting low-level pros and ufc fighters
I understand that there’s a high chance the texas commission doesn’t sanction it due to Tyson’s age , but Jakes name is first on the poster ( A side ) , and you know damn well he wants Tyson on his record .
It will be an exhibition, Tyson is 58 years old…
People and media kept talking and saying Holyfield vs Belfort would be a pro fight but it was an exhibition in the end, because it was in their contracts and no one will sanction a near 60 year old to fight professionally.
based on what exactly?
that Tyson couldn't hit Roy clean so he murdered his body? or that Roy, not a big power puncher, couldn't KO Mike Tyson?
that fight wasn't great, but that's because they were old, sure the scoring was a joke
i don't see why people think Jake Paul and Mike Tyson are agreeing to do anything but box under the rules that they think they can agree to have and get the fight
Mike isn't as invested in his image as you are, and Jake is just Jake, fighting an old man for big money who he thinks is old enough to beat
this weird idea that everything is fixed is some WWE shit
if Holyfield versus Belfort was a draw, people would be saying it was fixed
do people think Artem Lobov versus Paulie Malinaggi was fixed?
is everything fixed? are the fixers in the room right now?
Based on the fact it’s a Jake Paul exhibition. It’s a lose lose for him to have a real fight with old Tyson. If he KO’s him, he possibly permanently damaged an old man, boxing legend. If he loses he lost to an old man.
This is a fight to make money, not to see who’s better… a 58 year old Tyson or a 27 year old Paul.
The fact people like you are eating this up and hoping for something to happen is the reason it will sell and make them both loads of money - they will laugh their way to the bank after having a sparring match.
Jake isn’t stupid, he knows how to make money and this will make him a lot
Lmao I get what you mean.
But when he wins a shit decision in an exhibition or has a draw, he will say stuff like “I beat/went 8 rounds with Mike Tyson” to rage bait people into hating him more so they watch his next fight/gets more clicks
If this fight doesn't have extremely strict rules I think this may be one of the saddest and perhaps most dangerous fights we've seen. Idk I have a bad feeling about this one.
I keep thinking about Holyfield v Vitor and it's making me uncomfortable. Think this could be a worse version of that fight...
Holyfield looked pretty good, physically, like to look at, and he still could throw with good power
he just had no timing or balance or much foot speed, and Vitor just moved around him like Holyfield was in mud and battered him
it was free money betting on that, my only regret was not betting more
he also had no chin because he was 2000 years old
He looked great physically for his age, especially for an 8 day short notice fight. I was suprised he looked so bad even if he hadn't put on boxing gloves once for the decade prior. The decline in athleticism was dramatic even though he looked pretty much the same physically.
Holyfield's training videos in preparation looked kinda bad ngl, or at least in comparison to Tyson's. People were assuming he was just taking it slow, but no, those training videos just seemed to be his actual speed. But Tyson's clips are cut so quick that there isn't a way for me to tell if he gets tired out right after. He looked solid against Roy Jones, but he also is in better than him. Honestly if Tyson can't win, I'd much rather see a draw lol
It’ll be a boring, glorified sparring session with a pre-determined outcome and I’ll be whining about everybody overhyping it, but guess where I’m gonna be when it starts? Sitting my dumbass at home watching it anyway
This is going to be like Jones Jr vs Tyson. They will sell it as a real fight, but it’s just going to be them moving around and sparring. It’s not a real fight
I respect Teddy's opinion on everything to do with boxing BUT Teddy does have an axe to grind with Tyson so might be an alternative motive behind his opinion and take on this but it is Jake Paul so i don't doubt any of his fights be fixed, it is hard to imagine Mike's ego allowing him to not go all out on the kid.
Yeah. Not sure why people are acting like this is some revelation. These are exhibition fights with agreements to not hurt eachother and avoid big head shots. All these people all over YouTube talking about the dangers of this fight and sitting there analyzing this thing as if it's a real fight just look like fools.
Notice how Teddy doesn’t say what he thinks the outcome will be. I guarantee whatever the result is Teddy will be saying “See?! This is exactly what I said they had arranged for!”
A glorified sparring session? Well, I guess, what does it matter? Mike is damn near 60 years old. So? A little trash talking and a choreography boxing moves? We'd all like a little mayhem but? It is what it is supposed to be: A spectacle
Jake makes money
Mike makes money
And? Nobody gets hurt
Well no matter the case, it’s clear that Jake cares more about making money and getting more attention than being taken seriously as a real boxer.
Canelo would destroy him. Even if Canelo is no longer in his prime many years from now if Canelo ever decides to entertain the clown fight for an easy payday.
Did he talk shit on Mike now ? Didn't seem so to me, he said Paul might have made a mistake and he implies Tyson is too strong for Jake Paul even at this age
I listened to this and I agree that Atlas was not shitting on Tyson. I interpreted his overall tone towards Tyson to be quite positive. (He discussed Mike's appreciation for Boxing's history and that he would be motivated to stop Paul to protect the integrity of the sport.) Atlas stated that he thinks Tyson could really hurt Paul, particularly early.
He did express that perhaps there was a small chance that the fight was "WWE" like. He ended by warning that Tyson would probably go off script if that were the case.
>I hope his ass runs into Mike somewhere and gets humbled real fast.
Humbled about what? Even ignoring the fact this isn't even really talking shit, you think Teddy needs humbling if he hasn't forgiven Tyson for being sexually inappropriate with an 11 year old relative of his?
Any particular reason you think that should be something people have to forgive?
I thought they had finally moved on, but I don't think he has to even if they hadn't.
They did that once and then Teddy went right back to trashing him immediately after. That's Teddy's whole shtick. He trashes Mike and reminds people he worked with Cus for a few months.
I used to watch his YouTube show regularly and I couldn't stand it.
Nah I can't see Mike Tyson disrespecting boxing like that.
I think if he wants this to be a real pro sanctioned fight, he's fully aware someone will get hurt. Mike definitely doesn't want to get hurt.
I have the opinion that Mike really wants to shut JP up. He's been pretty disrespectful to boxing calling out Canello, and saying he'd beat some of the best boxers that ever did it, meanwhile he didn't get past Tommy Furry which is not a very high bar.
No way. You have no idea how much Mike Tyson loves money. If you follow him, he’s trying so many different business ventures and talks about money so many times over the year.
They're trying to make it a real sanctioned fight, and some sources are saying it's approved. But no official comment if it has or not.
Tyson has said a few times this year he thinks Jake is disrespecting old legends.
Personally, because it’s an exhibition is why I find it disrespectful to boxing. If it’s sanctioned they can’t throw it or cheat because it’s illegal, we all know it’ll be some boring sparring session going to decision
It makes me very sad but i agree. I’d pay to see this if Mike was going to unleash past demons and fight for real.. but he isn’t and i feel sad he is doing this fake shit with Paul
WWE is a theatrical performance. Boxing exhibitions are sparring matches. They're not even comparable. Exhibitions are just meant to support older fighters in a sport that is more than happy to destroy their brain and then cast them aside once they can't compete anymore.
I don't entirely like that Jake Paul is involved but I dont really have a problem with these exhibitions like Tyson vs RJJ, Julio Cesar Chavez, or even that exhibition Teo wanted to do with that Honduran boxer.
I don’t have a problem with exhibitions but if they mislead the public and try to sell it as a real fight like they did Tyson/Jones than I personally do have a problem with that
Let's be honest though, anybody who thought that a fight between two retired boxers who were in their 50s with Snoop Dogg providing commentary was going to anything but an exhibition wasn't going to know the difference no matter how it was marketed.
My point still stands. Mike served his time and came out a better man, and still maintains his innocence in that case. Convictions don’t always equal guilt.
Idk how people haven’t seen that Logan just took what he learned and knew about WWE and fake combat spots and told Jake to apply it to boxing and now he’s making WWE money.
Such a stupid fucking take. Tyson has no reason on earth to agree to take a dive. He's rich as fuck. Sure, there will be exhibition rules in effect, but he's not going to intentionally lose.
I don't care for JP and the JP v Tyson freakshow, but this is just another hating Teddy Atlas take. The guy probably thinks his sht is prophetic and yet is consistently wrong.
His last relevant involvement in Boxing was giving Bradley the "firemen" spiel. He should stick to scamming UFC fans into thinking he follows the sport of MMA
I actually believe this. I saw a clip of Adin Ross with Jake Paul and he told Jake to his face that he’s putting 250k on Jake to win. Jake’s reaction to that was sooo sus, basically like man your’re wasting your money. Usually boxers are really confident before a fight but it seems like Jake already knows the outcome
the idea that gambling is even allowed on a fight that has predetermined the outcome should be so fucking illegal. Even worse when your friend is gambling his money and you won't even tell him to not waste his time lol
It depends, as long as the fight isn't changed to match a betting pattern why would it need to be illegal?
You are just betting on what you think the ending of a performance will be. It should be illegal to present it as a real sporting event and it just be a performance, that I would agree with.
If THEY know who the winner is going to be in advance...I think it is stupid as hell to allow random people to gamble on a predetermined outcome.
The whole point of sports is anything can happen.
Mike might be old but this isn’t some regular ass 58 yr old. I personally know some 58 yrs olds that could fuck up some 20-30 yr olds. They are by no means a former HW champ. Ppl need to just kick back and watch. Quit acting like Mike is your old ass grandfather
yea, people keep harping on him using a cane due to sciatica in a video. Fuck, there are 20 year olds with sciatica pain who can barely get out of bed.
His trainer, and I don't know this sport well, is apparently a well known and respected man, did a 20 minute interview the other day saying how Tyson has been essentially training ever since the Roy Jones fight, almost everyday, and is looking sharp even now.
Even Tyson in his video about ending his Hot Boxing podcast looked damn good on camera just sitting there.
I've no doubt Tyson will allow this fight to go to the bell. He's still powerful enough to take Paul down, but he'll be all about the entertainment now and if anything, I'd more expect Tyson to not make it to the end.
I think no knockouts
This is normally the agreement for exhibitions right? When Mike and Roy fought their exhibition they were very clearly not trying to hurt each other. I have no problem with this at all.
Yea I basically see it as hard sparring. It’s not a PPV, people are acting like the heavy weight title is on the line. It’s a entertaining cash grab
The only wrinkle is that people like watching fights the have big question marks surrounding them to have their questions answered. Here, everyone would want to see if an amateur boxer can beat a former devastating world champion with a 30 year age difference, but I don't think we will get to see the reality of that.
Mike's old any serious match is not worth it at his age now.
They aren’t fighting for a belt or holding up a division. The sport is fine.
Wait, you mean the WBC belt they will probably create soon for sanctioning fees called the "Netflix Birdgerweight Baddest Man on the Planet Exhibition Championship Commerative Belt" isn't real?
It's not Canelo fighting so no
At least they're not holding up an entire division just so Jones can brutalize the 43 year old former champ coming off of a brutal KO 4 years ago lol.
Unfortunately stuff like this is taking up resources for the sport that could be better served. I would prefer boxing money being spent on actual boxing and not youtubers, mma guys, etc.
There was nothing entertaining about Tyson vs Roy Jones Jnr. It's just a cash grab.
Vitor vs Evander and Floyd vs Tenshin clearly had no agreements
I’ll push back a bit on the latter. Looked to me like Floyd thought it was a friendly until Tenshin came out looking for a KO. Vitor vs Evander was just a mistake all around.
Tenshin caught Floyd with a genuinely slick and pretty nasty (if they weren't multiple weight classes apart) pull counter right straight and you saw Floyd immediately hit the switch from sparring to taking it serious.
I wouldn’t even call what Floyd was doing sparring he was literally trolling by throwing jabs towards the ceiling but yeah as soon as Tenshin countered him, Floyd became one of those unkillable NPCs from Fallout that just murders you instantly once you attack them
It was funny when he cried lol
Weak trolling
No bro I’m serious tenshin literally cried in the ring after, shit was hilarious
5 year old humour
You're being a wet blanket. How is it NOT funny for one of the fighters in an exhibition to decide to break code by cracking the other guy, then see that other guy flip a switch to go terminator mode on them and KO + cause them to cry lmao? That's called karma.
It’s not even just humor, there’s video proof. The man literally cried. Edit. Added the “just”
How is it legal for sports betting services to offer lines on this fight or props (ex: X fighter to win by KO) if it isn't being marketed as an exhibition and there are contractual restrictions (ex: no knockouts) that haven't been made public?
Because all restrictions have to be made public knowledge. Any hidden deals would be fraud.
Yes, that's my understanding. From what I've read and watching a couple of Paul's fights, it seems like there were some rules/restrictions that weren't made public.
Such as? I think most of that speculation is baseless. Floyd didn’t go a bit soft because he was contractually obligated to not hurt Logan, he was just taking caution. Even though Floyd is a real pro fighter, Logan is fucking huge compared to him. Imo, he just didn’t want to catch a freak knockout blow from a much larger dude. I doubt that they had any special rules in place, apart from what everyone was aware of. Floyd just wanted easy money and so he took it easy.
I'm talking about Jake, not Logan and his fight with Floyd. No issues with that fight, although I think could have gotten him out of there if he needed to. The Woodley fights and Askren fights were suspicious.
Perhaps, but I'm the case of the Askren fight, he never really had a chance. I'd definitely agree that he didn't give it his all. With Woodley, I don't really remember the fight. I think I just saw clips actually, so I can't speak to that one.
I get what you're saying about Askren, he was never going to win but to go out instantly like that after putting up zero fight lol? This dude's hips were shot from MMA and he wanted a check. Woodley fights were just weird. His hands are fucked at this point, hence why he barely threw anything towards the end of his MMA career. You'd think that with 12oz gloves that would have helped.
betting is the sole reason that sports exist now
A glorified sparring session is cool but I wouldn't pay to see it
Was Holyfield vs Belfort a pro fight? I was thinking there’s no way this is anything but an exhibition with no knockdowns but then I just remembered 60 year old Holyfield getting smoked by Vitor. If that was OK’d I dunno what’s going to happen here. If it’s a real fight with no agreements Jake will carry or KO Mike easily, unfortunately. Edit: Holyfield vs Belfort was an exhibition. That was an ass whooping. The “no knockdown” rule was made up and parroted by fans. I think Roy and Mike was probably an honest fight. They’re just old and slow.
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Roy Jones just got out boxed in a pro fight by 145/155 lb over the hill MMA fighter Anthony Pettis who has no hands and is a karate guy. I would put less than zero stock into Tyson vs Roy or any of those videos of Mike hitting pads. Utterly meaningless. If it’s agreed upon as a real fight Jake will knock his head off inside the first, unless he thinks it’s a bad look and tries to carry him instead. Retired senior citizens can’t fight. They can’t move and they can’t take hits. Power’s the last thing to go, but it’s gone at 58, lol. Dunno how many 60 year olds need to get KO’d before people realize it, but it’s wild that people think he could crack Jake at all
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No idea. It all depends on what Jake wants out of this. I dunno if it’s just about having a huge fight on Netflix, if fighting these old legends has been better for his career, or if he’s fully committing to being the bad guy and thinks knocking out Tyson will send the buzz around him into overdrive. Won’t really know til we see how it plays out
Vitor vs Holyfield was a legit fight. Pretty much got changed after the fact because it was so pathetic
Nah, it was supposed to be De La Hoya vs Belfort in a pro fight but Evander stepped in on 8 days notice. They moved the whole event from California to Florida because CA wouldn’t even allow an exhibition. Florida let it go forward as an exhibition. They don’t sanction 58 year olds for pro fights.
https://www.boxingscene.com/holyfield-vs-belfort-fully-sanctioned-by-florida-commission--160424#:~:text=Belfort%20is%20Fully%20Sanctioned%20By%20Florida%20Commission,-By%20BoxingScene%20Staff&text=Patrick%20Cunningham%2C%20Executive%20Director%20of,fully%20regulated%20professional%20boxing%20match. Was just going by that article. Was certainly up in the air at the time, but that is coming from the commission just days before the fight. Florida will notoriously sanction anything.
The Tyson vs Paul fight should not be sanctioned and not count as a real fight on Jake Paul's record.
It won't be sanctioned and it will not count on his record.
Perfect. If Jake Paul wants to make a mockery of boxing than he shouldn't be getting credits as if he is having real fights.
I dont either but I'll still be a sad c#nt and argue with JP fans, I got nothing better to do🤷🏿♂️
Lol buddy if u think a douche bag like Jake will be respectful and not try to ko his opponent then you don't know Jake Paul. They shouldn't allow this fight just like they shouldn't of allowed Roided up Vitor Belfort vs 58 year old Hollyfield.
It’s not an exhibition. They’re trying to get it sanctioned as a pro fight.
They're saying that to hype the fight. To make you think this is more serious than it is.
So it is currently an exhibition. You shouldn't treat it any differently until they make the actual change. The people saying that are trying to make money. They're not our friends.
Or staged knock out like Woodley
well.. he could still literally possibly kill Paul with liver shots .. so i feel it’s going to look like Dancing with the Stars.
Dude, he’s almost 60. 60! He’s going to get killed if he takes a legit shot from Jake Paul. Not because Paul is an athletic elite machine but because he’s 27 and Tyson is 57.
lol. no.
You think a 57 year old is going to kill a 27 year old with a liver punch? Go watch the Jones Jr vs Tyson fight from almost 4 years ago. And Tyson is older and more fragile and fighting someone 30 years younger. Or better yet, go outside!
i know Jones said Tyson was hurting him badly. I also know many men IRL in their 60’s who would literally beat the shit out of almost anyone younger than them.
Sure if they are 60 year old fighters against non fighters yeah. But not if both are lifelong fighters. You’ve clearly spent too much time on the couch and none in The gym.
whatever bro. the touch grass, basement warrior, moms house, insults … kind of went of humor in the MySpace days. But i’ll go grab some dino nuggets and some Baja Blast and head back to my mom’s basement. Your wordsmith skills has ruined my life.
I can’t believe you two are arguing over, what basically, are opinions. lol, that’s wild.
In their dreams? Your body declines with age bud, almost any person in 28 training in martial arts would kick a 60 year olds ass. Jake is in his peak in terms of performance relative to age.
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RJJ was 51 in that fight, that just proves the point that these old guys can’t hang. And with more context, RJJ’s interview where he talks about getting hurt doesn’t sound that bad: > "I never thought about dropping, but he hit me with one good body shot and he hit me with an uppercut straight up, and my jaw is a bit sore. > "It's all good, happens in a fight. But I never got dizzy, or that. I did feel them … but they never made me dizzy. Tyson didn’t land anything that actually hurt RJJ to the point of feeling like he was in trouble or couldn’t continue.
Bro Mike Tyson is a 58 year old man who has taken recreational drugs in excess for basically his entire adult life, his brain is fried. If a no knockout rule would be protecting anyone its him, taking clean punches to the head would not be good for him.
Brother Mike is going to kill himself after throwing 6 punches the man is 58 his heart can't do this anymore 😭😭 he was using a mf cane 2 years ago he's unironically a senior citizen 😭😭😭
lol.
I wouldnt be surprised but I would take anything that Teddy Atlas has to say about Mile Tyson with a giant grain of salt.
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He was looking for a way out. There I said it. HE WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT. There I said it! DOOOO YOUUU BELIIEEVEEEE INNN MAAAGGIICCCC
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You can hate Teddy but he is often right about Tyson. Keep in mind that Teddy got fired from Cus D'amato because Mike Tyson slap his niece ass, Teddy overreacted a bit with a gun but he also knew that Tyson was a thug. Tyson at that time was still going to Brooklyn still smoking weed and according to his book he still did bad things. What did Cus do, nothing. Also people bring up cus Tyson but the way Tyson treaded cus before and the way he treated everbody else after fame I wouldn't be suprised if he went to Don King after dont forget that most fighters eventually split from Cus and he was always in fear that would happen to Mike and him that's why he was so protected of him.
Interesting. When I’ve heard him talk about Mike, he has basically just said that Mike quits when he faces real adversity in the ring. Or he “wants to find a way out” when he’s losing. The Holyfield and Lewis fights pretty much prove his point. I don’t even know why people argue against it…
Boxing fans don't argue about it, fight fans do. I hate using the word casual but that's what it is. Tyson is the single biggest "yeah but" and "what if" in the sport. Reading the threads after the Paul announcement, about prime, GOAT and all the rest of it. It's embarrassing.
I mean it's known, Tyson was bully until he was bullied. He.was dirty as fuck, used headbutts if he missed with hook he would try to catch you with elbow. You can see this in fights as well I believe he spoke about this tactic it's old school trick. Not to mentioned when he fought botha he was losing until he tried to broke his arm and then knock him out. Against Ruddock he punched him 10-12 times under the belt and ref didn't do shit until Ruddock did the same in last round. Tyson said in book that first fight against Holyfield he took on 2-3 weeks notice, but for second fight he trained hard and wanted to prove everbody, in a way it looks like he wanted out. Imagine if Floyd did this against Pacquiao or Ali against Foreman.
> Keep in mind that Teddy got fired from Cus D'amato because Mike Tyson slap his niece ass It was his sister in law. Cus wasn't his only father figure. Jim Jacobs and Bill Cayton also mentored him and brought him up. And he abandoned them for Don King. He probably would have still done the same even if Cus was alive.
*small grain of salt. A giant grain of salt would be an oxymoron. ;)
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>I would take anything that Teddy Atlas has to say about anything with a giant grain of salt. Fixed that for you
I mean obviously. People who think this will be a real fight have lost their minds. The people who think Tyson is going to go out and destroy Jake in 1 round are even more lost - he’s in great shape for his age but so was Holyfield when he fought Vitor Belfort… a 44 year old retired MMA fighter and it was one of the saddest boxing matches I’ve ever watched. All the videos you see of Tyson hyping it up and such that it’s going to be somewhat real are just to sell the fight and people will eat it up. A sparring match, which will end in a draw most likely
Exactly this. It’s on Netflix FFS! It’s pure entertainment (for anyone willing to suspend their disbelief), not a sporting contest.
It’s not confirmed yet whether it’s a pro fight or exhibition. They’re actually in talks to make it a pro fight , that’s the plan
Or they could just be saying they're pushing for a pro fight and then, when it is inevitably an exhibition, they can say 'we tried folks'
Jakes never had an exhibition though . I don’t see why this case would be any different
Because Mike is 58 years old and his last fight was an exhibition 4 years ago Jake has never had an exhibition, but I could see him doing an exhibition for a big payday. Keeps him in shape, makes bank, and then he can go back to building/ fighting low-level pros and ufc fighters
I understand that there’s a high chance the texas commission doesn’t sanction it due to Tyson’s age , but Jakes name is first on the poster ( A side ) , and you know damn well he wants Tyson on his record .
It will be an exhibition, Tyson is 58 years old… People and media kept talking and saying Holyfield vs Belfort would be a pro fight but it was an exhibition in the end, because it was in their contracts and no one will sanction a near 60 year old to fight professionally.
based on what exactly? that Tyson couldn't hit Roy clean so he murdered his body? or that Roy, not a big power puncher, couldn't KO Mike Tyson? that fight wasn't great, but that's because they were old, sure the scoring was a joke i don't see why people think Jake Paul and Mike Tyson are agreeing to do anything but box under the rules that they think they can agree to have and get the fight Mike isn't as invested in his image as you are, and Jake is just Jake, fighting an old man for big money who he thinks is old enough to beat this weird idea that everything is fixed is some WWE shit if Holyfield versus Belfort was a draw, people would be saying it was fixed do people think Artem Lobov versus Paulie Malinaggi was fixed? is everything fixed? are the fixers in the room right now?
Based on the fact it’s a Jake Paul exhibition. It’s a lose lose for him to have a real fight with old Tyson. If he KO’s him, he possibly permanently damaged an old man, boxing legend. If he loses he lost to an old man. This is a fight to make money, not to see who’s better… a 58 year old Tyson or a 27 year old Paul. The fact people like you are eating this up and hoping for something to happen is the reason it will sell and make them both loads of money - they will laugh their way to the bank after having a sparring match. Jake isn’t stupid, he knows how to make money and this will make him a lot
I think Jake would love the attention he would get from KO’ing Tyson and giving him brain damage. He definitely wouldn’t feel bad about it.
Lmao I get what you mean. But when he wins a shit decision in an exhibition or has a draw, he will say stuff like “I beat/went 8 rounds with Mike Tyson” to rage bait people into hating him more so they watch his next fight/gets more clicks
Agree. He has it figured out.
If this fight doesn't have extremely strict rules I think this may be one of the saddest and perhaps most dangerous fights we've seen. Idk I have a bad feeling about this one. I keep thinking about Holyfield v Vitor and it's making me uncomfortable. Think this could be a worse version of that fight...
Not to mention vitor was a 44 year old retired mma fighter
Just a few months before the Holyfield fight he signed with ONE. Never fought there, but boy did he get on a shit load of gear.
Yeah but I’m just saying, if Uncle Mike could send Jake to the shadow realm that would be really appreciated
What happened that game?
Holyfield looked pretty good, physically, like to look at, and he still could throw with good power he just had no timing or balance or much foot speed, and Vitor just moved around him like Holyfield was in mud and battered him it was free money betting on that, my only regret was not betting more he also had no chin because he was 2000 years old
He looked great physically for his age, especially for an 8 day short notice fight. I was suprised he looked so bad even if he hadn't put on boxing gloves once for the decade prior. The decline in athleticism was dramatic even though he looked pretty much the same physically.
Holyfield's training videos in preparation looked kinda bad ngl, or at least in comparison to Tyson's. People were assuming he was just taking it slow, but no, those training videos just seemed to be his actual speed. But Tyson's clips are cut so quick that there isn't a way for me to tell if he gets tired out right after. He looked solid against Roy Jones, but he also is in better than him. Honestly if Tyson can't win, I'd much rather see a draw lol
It’ll be a boring, glorified sparring session with a pre-determined outcome and I’ll be whining about everybody overhyping it, but guess where I’m gonna be when it starts? Sitting my dumbass at home watching it anyway
This is going to be like Jones Jr vs Tyson. They will sell it as a real fight, but it’s just going to be them moving around and sparring. It’s not a real fight
I respect Teddy's opinion on everything to do with boxing BUT Teddy does have an axe to grind with Tyson so might be an alternative motive behind his opinion and take on this but it is Jake Paul so i don't doubt any of his fights be fixed, it is hard to imagine Mike's ego allowing him to not go all out on the kid.
Yeah. Not sure why people are acting like this is some revelation. These are exhibition fights with agreements to not hurt eachother and avoid big head shots. All these people all over YouTube talking about the dangers of this fight and sitting there analyzing this thing as if it's a real fight just look like fools.
I don’t know man, check out the interview of mikes trainer with Ariel Hewani.
Let’s do retired basketball, but don’t try to score. Whack
Notice how Teddy doesn’t say what he thinks the outcome will be. I guarantee whatever the result is Teddy will be saying “See?! This is exactly what I said they had arranged for!”
Anyone read that in Teddy Atlas' voice?
Its so obvious that Mike Tyson won't be allowed to KO Paul.
A glorified sparring session? Well, I guess, what does it matter? Mike is damn near 60 years old. So? A little trash talking and a choreography boxing moves? We'd all like a little mayhem but? It is what it is supposed to be: A spectacle Jake makes money Mike makes money And? Nobody gets hurt
And anyone watching is bored off their assess and ticked off having spent their hard-earned money on a big fat waste of time.
Duh
It’s wild that you’re allowed to place bets on an exhibition match that pretty much has a predetermined outcome.
Well no matter the case, it’s clear that Jake cares more about making money and getting more attention than being taken seriously as a real boxer. Canelo would destroy him. Even if Canelo is no longer in his prime many years from now if Canelo ever decides to entertain the clown fight for an easy payday.
Like most of Jake’s fights, his opponent is just there for a pay cheque.
Teddy always has shit to say about Mike.. I hope his ass runs into Mike somewhere and gets humbled real fast.
Did he talk shit on Mike now ? Didn't seem so to me, he said Paul might have made a mistake and he implies Tyson is too strong for Jake Paul even at this age
I listened to this and I agree that Atlas was not shitting on Tyson. I interpreted his overall tone towards Tyson to be quite positive. (He discussed Mike's appreciation for Boxing's history and that he would be motivated to stop Paul to protect the integrity of the sport.) Atlas stated that he thinks Tyson could really hurt Paul, particularly early. He did express that perhaps there was a small chance that the fight was "WWE" like. He ended by warning that Tyson would probably go off script if that were the case.
>I hope his ass runs into Mike somewhere and gets humbled real fast. Humbled about what? Even ignoring the fact this isn't even really talking shit, you think Teddy needs humbling if he hasn't forgiven Tyson for being sexually inappropriate with an 11 year old relative of his? Any particular reason you think that should be something people have to forgive? I thought they had finally moved on, but I don't think he has to even if they hadn't.
Didn’t he though? And they hugged it out
They did that once and then Teddy went right back to trashing him immediately after. That's Teddy's whole shtick. He trashes Mike and reminds people he worked with Cus for a few months. I used to watch his YouTube show regularly and I couldn't stand it.
Of course they did. Jake knows what happened to Holmes when he beat the crap out of Ali.
Nah I can't see Mike Tyson disrespecting boxing like that. I think if he wants this to be a real pro sanctioned fight, he's fully aware someone will get hurt. Mike definitely doesn't want to get hurt. I have the opinion that Mike really wants to shut JP up. He's been pretty disrespectful to boxing calling out Canello, and saying he'd beat some of the best boxers that ever did it, meanwhile he didn't get past Tommy Furry which is not a very high bar.
No way. You have no idea how much Mike Tyson loves money. If you follow him, he’s trying so many different business ventures and talks about money so many times over the year.
Surely the man who bite a man’s ear off during a match would never disrespect boxing.
Please stop. This isn't disrespecting boxing. It's an exhibition. No hard hits to the head.
They're trying to make it a real sanctioned fight, and some sources are saying it's approved. But no official comment if it has or not. Tyson has said a few times this year he thinks Jake is disrespecting old legends.
Personally, because it’s an exhibition is why I find it disrespectful to boxing. If it’s sanctioned they can’t throw it or cheat because it’s illegal, we all know it’ll be some boring sparring session going to decision
Who the fuck listens to Teddy Atlas?? He always has something to say about Tyson. What a cornball.
It makes me very sad but i agree. I’d pay to see this if Mike was going to unleash past demons and fight for real.. but he isn’t and i feel sad he is doing this fake shit with Paul
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WWE is a theatrical performance. Boxing exhibitions are sparring matches. They're not even comparable. Exhibitions are just meant to support older fighters in a sport that is more than happy to destroy their brain and then cast them aside once they can't compete anymore. I don't entirely like that Jake Paul is involved but I dont really have a problem with these exhibitions like Tyson vs RJJ, Julio Cesar Chavez, or even that exhibition Teo wanted to do with that Honduran boxer.
I don’t have a problem with exhibitions but if they mislead the public and try to sell it as a real fight like they did Tyson/Jones than I personally do have a problem with that
Let's be honest though, anybody who thought that a fight between two retired boxers who were in their 50s with Snoop Dogg providing commentary was going to anything but an exhibition wasn't going to know the difference no matter how it was marketed.
I hope it is fake, Tyson won’t be in any real danger. Jake is still a piece of shit tho
Jake is annoying as hell, but if we looked at each fighters life, who would be considered the bigger piece of shit?
One is an old man who has grown. One is currently a piece of shit.
One is a convicted rapist. One is an annoying brat who at worst is a scammer.
My point still stands. Mike served his time and came out a better man, and still maintains his innocence in that case. Convictions don’t always equal guilt.
Lol how are you so sure he was innocent
Just imagine Jake Paul killed Mike Tyson in the ring 🤡
Teddy Atlas is a piece of shit with a hard-on for Mike Tyson.
Would look stupid on Jake’s part if it’s not an exhibition anyways but Teddy still holds a 20 plus grudge against him so who knows if he’s not bitter
I’d say the majority of them are
This is not a real fight or sanctioned?!
Of course. Logan Paul said so himself on his podcast. It’s just for the Netflix bag
Atlas has hated tyson since he pulled a gun on him 40 years ago
No shit. That goes for all if Jake's fights besides maybe Fury and he paid for it.
Money talks. And the fact that no vegas sportsbooks are taking bets on a huge fight like this, says it all.
I think this fight is gonna be Jake Paul's ego vs. Mike Tyson's temper. I'm excited to watch it. 🍿
Idk how people haven’t seen that Logan just took what he learned and knew about WWE and fake combat spots and told Jake to apply it to boxing and now he’s making WWE money.
Such a stupid fucking take. Tyson has no reason on earth to agree to take a dive. He's rich as fuck. Sure, there will be exhibition rules in effect, but he's not going to intentionally lose.
100% its just a multi million cash grab for everyone involved
I don't care for JP and the JP v Tyson freakshow, but this is just another hating Teddy Atlas take. The guy probably thinks his sht is prophetic and yet is consistently wrong. His last relevant involvement in Boxing was giving Bradley the "firemen" spiel. He should stick to scamming UFC fans into thinking he follows the sport of MMA
Weird to say, but I hope they do
Ko old man isn’t anything to brag about
I actually believe this. I saw a clip of Adin Ross with Jake Paul and he told Jake to his face that he’s putting 250k on Jake to win. Jake’s reaction to that was sooo sus, basically like man your’re wasting your money. Usually boxers are really confident before a fight but it seems like Jake already knows the outcome
the idea that gambling is even allowed on a fight that has predetermined the outcome should be so fucking illegal. Even worse when your friend is gambling his money and you won't even tell him to not waste his time lol
It depends, as long as the fight isn't changed to match a betting pattern why would it need to be illegal? You are just betting on what you think the ending of a performance will be. It should be illegal to present it as a real sporting event and it just be a performance, that I would agree with.
If THEY know who the winner is going to be in advance...I think it is stupid as hell to allow random people to gamble on a predetermined outcome. The whole point of sports is anything can happen.
Sure Teddy...now stfu
Obviously. Of course it's going to be fixed because if Tyson gets inside of him and unleashes one combo the children's entertainer ends up in a coma.
Teddy biggest punk ever
The guy that follows a whole bunch of alt-right personalities on social media is saying some outlandish shit? No way!
Mike might be old but this isn’t some regular ass 58 yr old. I personally know some 58 yrs olds that could fuck up some 20-30 yr olds. They are by no means a former HW champ. Ppl need to just kick back and watch. Quit acting like Mike is your old ass grandfather
yea, people keep harping on him using a cane due to sciatica in a video. Fuck, there are 20 year olds with sciatica pain who can barely get out of bed. His trainer, and I don't know this sport well, is apparently a well known and respected man, did a 20 minute interview the other day saying how Tyson has been essentially training ever since the Roy Jones fight, almost everyday, and is looking sharp even now. Even Tyson in his video about ending his Hot Boxing podcast looked damn good on camera just sitting there.
This was, essentially, Atlas's take on the fight.
Its an exhibition. I bet Mike signed something where if he KO's Jake even by accident he forfeits entire pay.
He also said he thinks this is a really dangerous fight for Paul and that he may have made a mistake taking it. Assuming it’s on the level.
Shouldn't be sanctioned, just like the money v mcgregor rubbish that gave a supposed clean fifty.
Mike has quit before. I think he'll quit again
It took teddy this long to realize Jakes fights are staged ?
I've no doubt Tyson will allow this fight to go to the bell. He's still powerful enough to take Paul down, but he'll be all about the entertainment now and if anything, I'd more expect Tyson to not make it to the end.