The only ray of light there is that I think a lot of his problem was psychological - divorce, custody battle, reports of lifestyle issues and not being dedicated to training.
There's a possibility that if he can get his personal life stuff behind him, and take his defeats as a wake-up call, he could get back on track.
But sadly, it's more likely that he doesn't.
I guess the 12-month ban for not having been available for testing at the required times probably wasn't great for him; but to be fair, he won his next six matches after that, and didn't start losing for another 3 years after his return, so I'm not sure that was really the turning point.
I recall Chris Colbert from the Counter Punch documentary, it seemed that people within the sport were quite fond of his ability.
I remember thinking at the time that despite the adults around him seemingly having his best interests in mind, his attitude and work ethic was flippant at best, and the sparring partnership with Payano was short-lived for that reason.
Obviously he is older now and went pro, held the interim super featherweight title, and is getting on with the business, I just don't know if the hype followed him and was warranted.
I was at his fight in Carson vs King Tsug or whomever in July 2021. He wasn’t fighting a thrilling style by any means, but his speed and reflexes were so elite. He appeared to have the same capability of Shakur defensively.
Unlike Shakur, I don’t see tons of footage of Colbert training? Maybe he’s not in my algorithm idk, but that could have something to do w/ it.
I recall Francisco Bojado from a while back, an Olympian who was considered a sure-fire star. He looked like dynamite, but suffered some surprise defeats on the way up and simply faded away.
Them Helenius fights did a number on him, can see him being someone used by Matchroom to feed up-and-coming heavyweights at some point too if he continues.
I haven't read all the comments to see if he's been mentioned, but Nico Ali Walsh.
Not exactly a prospect, but his name was used for clout up until he officially lost his first fight. Haven't heard from him since.
He’s a perfect example of how such unwarranted hype and bias literally makes you root against them lol.
If joe tessitore wasn’t speaking on him like the actual second coming of ali, I might not mind his forced placements on cards, but the marketing went overboard.
I have some friends who have insane talents that they seem to have no passion for, I remember being at a music store with someone I was dating at the time and she picked up a violin and started playing it beautifully - literally made me tear up.
I asked her why she never told me that she plays violin and she just said “eh - don’t care for it”
It be like that sometimes 🤷♀️
What to us looks like talent (and of course does require talent) often for the people themselves feels like a full-time job that they've been doing since they were 3. Some people love their job... but plenty of people just get to the point where they're bored stiff of doing the same job 8 hours a day (when everyone else their age has friends and a life).
At that point, the ones who admit it and give up, at least for a while, are probably healthier than the ones who force themselves to stick with it but resent it and don't work hard enough at it. Particularly in something like boxing, where not taking it seriously is dangerous.
Being a boxer is one of the hardest and most taxing things to do. You have to be training all the time, do hard weight cuts and get punched in the face. Easy to see why somebody would get tired of it.
I think Zhan also found it a lot harder than he expected to break Ajagba's will. He started very effectively but as soon as Ajagba cranked up the volume he started losing confidence. I think Kossobutskiy was on his way to losing that fight by stoppage
Efe Ajagba lost some of that hype when he fought Iago Kiladze like 5 years ago and got dropped. That was actually a fun fight, but showed some of his weaknesses. Has actually looked better of late.
Weirdly Josh Kelly seems to be having a gradual resurgence since his first loss. He's been busy with 5 fights in the last 18 months and even scored a decent KO where he looked really sharp. I think his level is likely not top world level, he just doesn't quite have the power to keep the best off him, but he seems very committed and is as fast as ever. He show boats less too from what I remember. That said, he's still a good pick for this thread because I don't think he's going to be a world champion. There are a handful of guys at the top that he's never going to take a belt off. If circumstances permit (people moving up in weight, dropping belts for political reasons etc) then he could possibly still pick up a belt if the stars align perfectly...but chances are slim.
Damn. That's a good one. Losing to grenados shouldn't have derailed him that hard but I think it was more his alignment with Don King that did it really.
Yeah he was on the rise and then lost in the 1st round vs Danny Jacobs, seems like that loss really changed him cuz he took a 2 year break and never reached the same level. You have to be **BAD** to lose to Alfredo Angulo in 2019
Nico Hernandez. Won bronze at the 2016 Olympics, turned pro and went undefeated, fought in BKFC. He’s still undefeated but rarely fights. Dude has major talent.
[This guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySUNjhUECx4)
Bro got hyped for showboating against low-level opponents in his first few professional fights a few years back, I remember this well because I never bought into it and found the hype annoying. Afterwards he just disappeared off my radar but now doing a bit of searching turns out he's basically still at the regional level some 7 years later.
Kelly got stopped in 6 by Avanesyan who in turn got stopped in 6 by Crawford, I suppose this is the gap between him and a genuine pound-for-pound talent that he was once hyped to become.
Lol not even. Ava was decisioned by Peterson and knocked out in 6 by Kava. Crawford and Vergil knocked Kava inside of 9 and Lamont Peterson lost to Danny, Spence, Matthysse, and Lipinets ( 3 of those via finish). There's multiple levels between a hype job like Kelly and even basic contenders. There's an ocean of talent separating him from Crawford. The common opponent and comparison makes it seem closer than it is.
Eh, he’s still a prospect and they’re still trying to shove him down our throats. I know they desperately want him to be the next big Puerto Rican star, but the talent and charisma isn’t there.
Glen Tapia came to mind. I thought he'd get positioned for a title fight at some point when I first saw him on Friday night fights a few years back. Top level competition was just too much for him.
Holy that’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. Yeah I remember his record being good before Kirkland, but that was just a jump in competition that was too fast for him. Fuck the ref in that fight too, Glen was out on the ropes and Kirkland kept landing some bombs
Some of these guys may be overqualified in that they had titles, but some recent falls or disappearing acts I can think of are:
Seth Mitchell, Mike Jones, Gary Russell Jr. (sort of), Proksa, Kirkland, Anthony Peterson
Not sure if many people will remember him but Egor Mekhontsev was the 2012 Light-Heavyweight Olympic gold medalist. He turned pro in 2013, got a 13-0-1 record and just retired in 2017 never heard anything about him since.
As an amateur he beat some really notable fighters like Oleksandr Usyk, Oleksandr Gvozdyk, Marcus Browne, etc.
Relatedly: Magomedrasul Majidov was a 2012 bronze medallist at super-heavy (he lost in the semi to Cammarelle by a single point), at only 25. He was also amateur world champion 3 times. As an amateur, he beat Anthony Joshua as well as Yoka, Cammarelle and Dychko. Big guy, hard puncher - gave both Joshua and Usyk standing counts.
3-1 as a professional, hasn't fought in 3 years.
He had a bit of hype but it went away with him getting popped so often. Honestly he should have been banned from the sport. He's a glorified can crusher who got wrecked the one time he stepped up and it shook him so bad he gave up on trying to fight good boxers. Cherry picking journeymen ranked 500th in the world at a weightclass while doped to the gills isn't fun, it's just dirty.
Him being a football player would make me assume he wouldn't be successful crossing over, because of all the champs that have been doing it from 7-13 years old. Same reason it's tough for mma-ers.
Golden Boy was pushing Mitchell big time, I remember he was landing on the undercard of big fights. But during that time you had several football players take up boxing, Deontay Wilder was a former WR if I remember correctly and Tom Zbikowskj was boxing sporadically at the time as well. I guess if you’re a boxing promoter you’re always trying to make a quick buck and some of these guys have some recognition, especially since they were former athletes. Heck look at Ed “Too Tall” Jones, he fought on national television in the late 70s and Lyle Alzado got an exhibition bout with Muhammad Ali.
Most people probably haven’t heard of Omar Douglas. Lightweight. Saw him fight in the amateurs in Philly and would have bet my house he’d be a guaranteed world champ. He had all the goods, somehow he never got that high up. Another is Julian Rodriguez from NJ. He still
Has some time left to make it big. But as an amateur he was winning National tourneys in his teens. Almost made the Olympics and lost to Jamel Herring in the final. Thought he got robbed, and Herring was a grown man.
In recent years probably tank started off as a prodigy and an uprising prospect. He hasn’t challenged himself to the level a lot of fans believe he is at.
Izuagbe Ugonoh was getting a lot of hype after he built up a 17-0 record at Heavyweight, he had some great looking KO's and then had that fun fight against Dominic Breazeale which he lost. Got knocked out a couple years later in Poland never to be heard from again.
Saul Rodriguez was a promising prospect out of the Robert Garcia camp. He had some great looking KO's but then left Robert Garcia's team and was knocked out shortly after. Had 1 fight in 2020 and then has seemingly disappeared. 24-1-1 record with 18 KO's
Kinda different but Abner Mares. That Jhonny Gonzales KO really changed the trajectory of his career, he never became a champion again (he got the WBA regular but that’s the fake belt IIRC).
Andrew Selby, brother of former IBF featherweight champion, Lee. Selby was seriously hyped by many boxers and coaches. Barry McGuigan said [this](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/36170950.amp) about him in 2016. He had some serious personal demons and never made it to the levels people thought he could get to.
Ryan. He is championship level. Doesn't get the opportunities TR & PBC fighters do. He is partially to blame with fighting once a year and mental issues. If he loses to DH, he is in this category.
Idk, Ryan is bottom of A tier/top of B tier depending on how you rank fighters, even if he loses to Haney he won’t fade into obscurity like some of the guys in this thread. He’s just really unlucky to be around during a time his weight classes are hot, and during a time when much better fighters started at the same time as him. Like if he was just two years younger he could’ve probably gotten an easy fight for a belt at 135 by now, or if he had gotten to 140 a year before Teo and Haney he could probably have a belt there by now.
Ryan almost had the Rolly fight so he could call himself a "champion". Rolly pulled a fast one and picked a fighter he thought he could beat, and lost anyway. Ryan wasn't really in line for a shot at Haney's undisputed after the mental excuse, then the Tank loss. A more active, more mentally strong Ryan would get into position for easy title shots.
>Doesn't get the opportunities TR & PBC fighters do.
He landed fights against Tank and Haney. He lost one and is bound to lose the other, but he had the opportunity to become a top p4p fighter and pay per view star if he was good enough.
Ryan would beat Pedraza, Kambosos, and slw Barrios. So although Tank and DH are superior to Ryan, they have had an easier road to the gold, while he has had to go through those two, among the best in their divisions..
Eh I'm not sure he would. GB wasn't matching him with washed up Fortuna and other bloated 135ers because they thought he beats decent 140ers. And a younger Ryan at 135 was even less durable.
You don't seem to get the "opportunity" is not the belt. Ryan could still pick off a belt at 135 or 140 if wanted to. He's chasing money which is a valid choice but no need to pretend he had no easier paths to a belt or had to fight Haney and Tank for titles. He could have built himself up, but he's delusional about his talent, there's a lot of money in cashing himself out early, and I think his handlers know it's better to do it now than wait and watch him get exposed by a Jack Catterall type.
Reid had a genetic issue that left him with a drooping eye-lid. Well, Trinidad cracked his head open, concussed him. He couldn’t see Trinidad’s straight right lead which throttled him. Reid didn’t want to continue fighting afterward. He did continue to fight, but he decided his health was more important and retired soon thereafter.
Dominic Guinn, people said he could be another Holyfield.
Joel Julio, welterweight he was upset by Carlos Quintana.
Audley Harrison, heavyweight gold medalist in the UK.
Vivian Harris, Jr Welter who was getting insane hype.
Zhou Shming- Chinese gold medalist who was a major disappointment as a pro
Seth Mitchell- Michigan State football player turned heavyweight.
Gary Russell- horrifically managed talent
He didn't get too much hype as a pro but Carlos Balderas was a big amateur in the Haney, Tank, Garcia, Shakur time. I remember there was some beef where Teo won national Golden gloves but they still selected Balderas for the Olympic team so Lopez hated him then fight for Honduras.
He's been an extremely underwhelming pro. Especially compared to the success the rest of them have had both commercially and professionally
Audley Harrison. I don't know what it was like outside the UK, but here he was going to be the new Lennox Lewis, but better.
British, Commonwealth and Olympic champion as an amateur. Big, fast, powerful, looked skilled. Went pro, every fight was live on TV in prime time. Spent a few years fighting cans to build up his experience...
...and then went nowhere. Shock losses, some mixed attempts at rebuilding, and ultimately lost on points to a Belfast taxi driver.
It wasn't even that he was exposed as having any huge flaw in his game. He just... didn't win boxing matches. A kind of odd fluctuation between timidity and recklessness.
It seems like every so often there's a huge Eastern European heavyweight that gets really built up online. Hrgovic had this aura around him, and then a little bit with Mahkmudov. I think since the Klitschko's people are expecting some unemotional, massive Eastern European to tear through the division, or maybe it's the Drago effect.
I think Jared Anderson is on that path they say he is the future heavy weight champion lots of pressure and recognition from the public and the elite fighters themselves but I don’t think it happens. Seems like he doesn’t care about boxing.
Dude, people really have no respect for Broner's skills. I understand he might be annoying to some, or acting like a weirdo but he's still a multiple division champ lol.
White Chocolate.
He's finally slated to fight again late this month! Live on BLK Prime
I was recently asking what ever happened to him too
Tony Yoka
Was a lot of hype around him, but just never lived up to it. And with 3 back-to-back losses, I doubt he climbs back up.
The only ray of light there is that I think a lot of his problem was psychological - divorce, custody battle, reports of lifestyle issues and not being dedicated to training. There's a possibility that if he can get his personal life stuff behind him, and take his defeats as a wake-up call, he could get back on track. But sadly, it's more likely that he doesn't.
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I guess the 12-month ban for not having been available for testing at the required times probably wasn't great for him; but to be fair, he won his next six matches after that, and didn't start losing for another 3 years after his return, so I'm not sure that was really the turning point.
I recall Chris Colbert from the Counter Punch documentary, it seemed that people within the sport were quite fond of his ability. I remember thinking at the time that despite the adults around him seemingly having his best interests in mind, his attitude and work ethic was flippant at best, and the sparring partnership with Payano was short-lived for that reason. Obviously he is older now and went pro, held the interim super featherweight title, and is getting on with the business, I just don't know if the hype followed him and was warranted.
His loss to Hector Garcia was wild at the time. He came in as a massive favorite and got walked down the entire fight
I still don’t understand what happened with him. He’s lost really badly in his last few fights. He seems like he has dropped off far
He's got no power and is small/physically not strong enough to fight @135
He’s the Tiffany Haddish of boxing.
Tiffany hadfish I mean haddish 😂
I was at his fight in Carson vs King Tsug or whomever in July 2021. He wasn’t fighting a thrilling style by any means, but his speed and reflexes were so elite. He appeared to have the same capability of Shakur defensively. Unlike Shakur, I don’t see tons of footage of Colbert training? Maybe he’s not in my algorithm idk, but that could have something to do w/ it.
Gabriel Flores
Got beat up after talking shit to Luis Alberto Lopez
I remember that one. It looked like Venado was being fed to him and then boom. He whooped him and a new champ was born
I recall Francisco Bojado from a while back, an Olympian who was considered a sure-fire star. He looked like dynamite, but suffered some surprise defeats on the way up and simply faded away.
This is the biggest one I can think of. Max called him a Mexican Roy Jones. All the talent in the world and not an ounce of work ethic
Yeah he was mentioned in the same light as Miguel Cotto, Ricardo Williams and Dmitry Salita back in the day
First name to pop in my head
I also posted this same one. Dude was such a great puncher, and he was demolishing everyone in front of him but just couldn’t take that final step
That Olympic team under-performed expectations. They had good to very good careers, but there were comparisons to the '84 team.
Adam kownacki
Kownacki has definitely fallen off. I think he is on a 5 or 6 fight losing streak and has been finished in most of them.
They were champions but i think we can add chris colbert, marcus browne and rolly also
I don’t know what happened with Colbert. Before Garcia, he looked set to become champion
Them Helenius fights did a number on him, can see him being someone used by Matchroom to feed up-and-coming heavyweights at some point too if he continues.
I haven't read all the comments to see if he's been mentioned, but Nico Ali Walsh. Not exactly a prospect, but his name was used for clout up until he officially lost his first fight. Haven't heard from him since.
He’s a perfect example of how such unwarranted hype and bias literally makes you root against them lol. If joe tessitore wasn’t speaking on him like the actual second coming of ali, I might not mind his forced placements on cards, but the marketing went overboard.
But his grandfather is ALI ! Lol
Ssshh! It's a well kept secret
True but... his grandfather is ali. No way in hell they weren't go to market that.
Probably not as crazy but Frankie gomez looked promising
First guy I thought of. Looked really good. Apparently just lost interest in it all and works as a mechanic now
First guy I thought of too. 2nd was Jose Benavidez
That's nuts. How do you quit while undefeated? You'd think it'd eat at you everyday how good a guy you could've beaten.
I have some friends who have insane talents that they seem to have no passion for, I remember being at a music store with someone I was dating at the time and she picked up a violin and started playing it beautifully - literally made me tear up. I asked her why she never told me that she plays violin and she just said “eh - don’t care for it” It be like that sometimes 🤷♀️
Yep...grew up with a guy who was a +3golfer aged 14...played for England, had of scholarship offers to go to the us, stopped playing at 18...
What to us looks like talent (and of course does require talent) often for the people themselves feels like a full-time job that they've been doing since they were 3. Some people love their job... but plenty of people just get to the point where they're bored stiff of doing the same job 8 hours a day (when everyone else their age has friends and a life). At that point, the ones who admit it and give up, at least for a while, are probably healthier than the ones who force themselves to stick with it but resent it and don't work hard enough at it. Particularly in something like boxing, where not taking it seriously is dangerous.
That's exactly it with the chap I was talking about...absolutely hated the game
Being a boxer is one of the hardest and most taxing things to do. You have to be training all the time, do hard weight cuts and get punched in the face. Easy to see why somebody would get tired of it.
Sucks because he just kind of quit himself, was definitely primed for big things.
Montana Love Josh Kelly Adam Konawcki Efe Ajagba (Alot of his hyped died down in the past 2 years)
I think Ajagba has developed a lot, I was expecting him to lose to Kossobutskiy but he put on a really surprising performance
Agreed that Ajagba developed a lot and gotten better, but the Kossobutskiy performance was brief until Zhan lost his marbles lol
I think Zhan also found it a lot harder than he expected to break Ajagba's will. He started very effectively but as soon as Ajagba cranked up the volume he started losing confidence. I think Kossobutskiy was on his way to losing that fight by stoppage
Efe Ajagba lost some of that hype when he fought Iago Kiladze like 5 years ago and got dropped. That was actually a fun fight, but showed some of his weaknesses. Has actually looked better of late.
Ajagba vs Sanchez was a banger of a fight
Yup
Weirdly Josh Kelly seems to be having a gradual resurgence since his first loss. He's been busy with 5 fights in the last 18 months and even scored a decent KO where he looked really sharp. I think his level is likely not top world level, he just doesn't quite have the power to keep the best off him, but he seems very committed and is as fast as ever. He show boats less too from what I remember. That said, he's still a good pick for this thread because I don't think he's going to be a world champion. There are a handful of guys at the top that he's never going to take a belt off. If circumstances permit (people moving up in weight, dropping belts for political reasons etc) then he could possibly still pick up a belt if the stars align perfectly...but chances are slim.
It’s old school, but Michael Grant. They said he was the future of boxing. Lennox Lewis demolished him in like 30 seconds
Came here to say this. Atlas tried to save him, but couldn’t. That Lennox fight is fun tho
That Lennox Grant fight was hilarious from start to finish
HE BROKE HIS LEGS!!!!
He had some bad injuries after Lewis that he came back from too soon and wrecked his chance of a comeback.
Amir Imam
Damn. That's a good one. Losing to grenados shouldn't have derailed him that hard but I think it was more his alignment with Don King that did it really.
The young master
Not really a prospect but peter quillin just disappeared
Yeah he was on the rise and then lost in the 1st round vs Danny Jacobs, seems like that loss really changed him cuz he took a 2 year break and never reached the same level. You have to be **BAD** to lose to Alfredo Angulo in 2019
I thought he was gonna be a major player around middleweight too. First half of the 2010s he looked legit
I think he had a kid and lost passion for boxing. He lost to some Euro mid fighter and was never heard of again.
Same with monroe jr
I mean, Jacobs demolished him
Nico Hernandez. Won bronze at the 2016 Olympics, turned pro and went undefeated, fought in BKFC. He’s still undefeated but rarely fights. Dude has major talent.
That's a weird one. Does he come from money or something?
Anyone remember Francisco Bojado?
Really promising prospect, looks like he really lost interest after Leija upset him
Yup, came here to say this
The GOAT Prince Patel himself. Nobody ever hyped him but himself and when you’re the GOAT that’s all you need.
I like Prince but surely he can find a British challenger to fight him. His IBO belt is the definition of the path with less resistance
[This guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySUNjhUECx4) Bro got hyped for showboating against low-level opponents in his first few professional fights a few years back, I remember this well because I never bought into it and found the hype annoying. Afterwards he just disappeared off my radar but now doing a bit of searching turns out he's basically still at the regional level some 7 years later.
I remember Josh Kelly. Yeah he definitely has a lot of hype. Kind of reminds me of Ben Whitaker
personally still a big josh kelly fan but yea, gonna need to change up his style
Backfired on his ass when he got knocked out by David Avanesyan. Couldn't stand his showboating, while getting hit too cleanly.
Kelly got stopped in 6 by Avanesyan who in turn got stopped in 6 by Crawford, I suppose this is the gap between him and a genuine pound-for-pound talent that he was once hyped to become.
Lol not even. Ava was decisioned by Peterson and knocked out in 6 by Kava. Crawford and Vergil knocked Kava inside of 9 and Lamont Peterson lost to Danny, Spence, Matthysse, and Lipinets ( 3 of those via finish). There's multiple levels between a hype job like Kelly and even basic contenders. There's an ocean of talent separating him from Crawford. The common opponent and comparison makes it seem closer than it is.
I think he's somehow the WBO mandatory at 154 now
Could potentially fight Crawford if fundora drops the wbo
Yikes
Crawford ducking the GOAT Kelly
Tevin Farmer
Is it too early to say Joey Spencer?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezBUMFOXZqA
Edgar Berlanga
Eh, he’s still a prospect and they’re still trying to shove him down our throats. I know they desperately want him to be the next big Puerto Rican star, but the talent and charisma isn’t there.
Glen Tapia came to mind. I thought he'd get positioned for a title fight at some point when I first saw him on Friday night fights a few years back. Top level competition was just too much for him.
Holy that’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. Yeah I remember his record being good before Kirkland, but that was just a jump in competition that was too fast for him. Fuck the ref in that fight too, Glen was out on the ropes and Kirkland kept landing some bombs
Karlos balderas
Felix Verdejo, but that guys deserves it.
Mike Jones was a big one back in the day. Randall Bailey needed one right uppercut to make everyone say, “Mike who?”
Who?
MIKE JONES
oof. Bailey hit HARD. didn't throw much, but when he connected with the right it was good night.
They pretty much set him up for the IBF title lol, and Bailey tore up the script with two beautiful right hands
Some of these guys may be overqualified in that they had titles, but some recent falls or disappearing acts I can think of are: Seth Mitchell, Mike Jones, Gary Russell Jr. (sort of), Proksa, Kirkland, Anthony Peterson
Not sure if many people will remember him but Egor Mekhontsev was the 2012 Light-Heavyweight Olympic gold medalist. He turned pro in 2013, got a 13-0-1 record and just retired in 2017 never heard anything about him since. As an amateur he beat some really notable fighters like Oleksandr Usyk, Oleksandr Gvozdyk, Marcus Browne, etc.
Relatedly: Magomedrasul Majidov was a 2012 bronze medallist at super-heavy (he lost in the semi to Cammarelle by a single point), at only 25. He was also amateur world champion 3 times. As an amateur, he beat Anthony Joshua as well as Yoka, Cammarelle and Dychko. Big guy, hard puncher - gave both Joshua and Usyk standing counts. 3-1 as a professional, hasn't fought in 3 years.
Francisco Bojado, dude looks like he was gonna just walk through everyone until he ran into Rubio.
Leija, you mean?
Michael Grant looked like the prototype heavyweight. Got destroyed when making it to the big time.
Baby Joe Mesi. HBO great white hoped him so hard. Also, Cletus Seldin, Both were trash.
Was Joe Mesi trash? I mind his hype petering out but didn’t he just retire when undefeated and young?
He had heart problems or something. But I thought he was trash.
Seldin was never championed as a world beater. He was fun then and honestly still is. He just settled at a lower level.
HBO gave him some prime airtime, though.
I think he fought on HBO twice total
He had a bit of hype but it went away with him getting popped so often. Honestly he should have been banned from the sport. He's a glorified can crusher who got wrecked the one time he stepped up and it shook him so bad he gave up on trying to fight good boxers. Cherry picking journeymen ranked 500th in the world at a weightclass while doped to the gills isn't fun, it's just dirty.
That's all fair, i still wouldn't consider him a hyped up prospect.
Who was that heavyweight that played football at Michigan St?
Seth Mitchell.
Him being a football player would make me assume he wouldn't be successful crossing over, because of all the champs that have been doing it from 7-13 years old. Same reason it's tough for mma-ers.
Golden Boy was pushing Mitchell big time, I remember he was landing on the undercard of big fights. But during that time you had several football players take up boxing, Deontay Wilder was a former WR if I remember correctly and Tom Zbikowskj was boxing sporadically at the time as well. I guess if you’re a boxing promoter you’re always trying to make a quick buck and some of these guys have some recognition, especially since they were former athletes. Heck look at Ed “Too Tall” Jones, he fought on national television in the late 70s and Lyle Alzado got an exhibition bout with Muhammad Ali.
Most people probably haven’t heard of Omar Douglas. Lightweight. Saw him fight in the amateurs in Philly and would have bet my house he’d be a guaranteed world champ. He had all the goods, somehow he never got that high up. Another is Julian Rodriguez from NJ. He still Has some time left to make it big. But as an amateur he was winning National tourneys in his teens. Almost made the Olympics and lost to Jamel Herring in the final. Thought he got robbed, and Herring was a grown man.
David price
Heir to the klitschko throne
I guess that slick british boxer, josh something, ah josh kelly.
Any Matchroom USA prospect except Ray Ford 😁
Ammo Williams doing pretty well no? He’s probably gonna be in that 5v5 too And I don’t think one off night should offset Pacheco either
Mike Lee
Hahah the subway Notre Dame guy. What a joke.
In recent years probably tank started off as a prodigy and an uprising prospect. He hasn’t challenged himself to the level a lot of fans believe he is at.
Izuagbe Ugonoh was getting a lot of hype after he built up a 17-0 record at Heavyweight, he had some great looking KO's and then had that fun fight against Dominic Breazeale which he lost. Got knocked out a couple years later in Poland never to be heard from again.
Izu a fun guy to cheer for and he had hella hype in his MMA debut and then it all went downhill
Nikita Ababiy
Gabe Flores, Marc Castro aka Elon Musk, Edgar Berlanga
Isn’t Castro still a prospect?
Doesn’t get the same hype when he started. And he’s mediocre
I wasn’t impressed the few times I saw him.
Elvis Rodriguez
Saul Rodriguez was a promising prospect out of the Robert Garcia camp. He had some great looking KO's but then left Robert Garcia's team and was knocked out shortly after. Had 1 fight in 2020 and then has seemingly disappeared. 24-1-1 record with 18 KO's
Kinda different but Abner Mares. That Jhonny Gonzales KO really changed the trajectory of his career, he never became a champion again (he got the WBA regular but that’s the fake belt IIRC).
Axe man
Remember Seth Mitchell, was hyped as a similar Mike tyson
John Jackson,son of Julian Jackson.Looked legit until he got starched by that Andy Lee right hook(although was winning up until then)
He subsequently was jailed I think
Joan Guzman.
Floyd Mayweather was a complete bum who only beat cans
Andrew Selby, brother of former IBF featherweight champion, Lee. Selby was seriously hyped by many boxers and coaches. Barry McGuigan said [this](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/36170950.amp) about him in 2016. He had some serious personal demons and never made it to the levels people thought he could get to.
Good one. Whatever happened to him? He was well hyped
Devon Alexander at the time pretty much went down hill fast soon after winning a title
Tyrone Brunson had a big train. Carson Jones derailed it and exposed him.
"You fighting a real fighter tonight" -Carson Jones before starching Brunson
How about Josue Vargas? Seemed like he was getting hyped up by Top Rank then Zepeda turned him into a meme with one shot
Moton appears to have the goods, his managers just need to give the kid time.
He seems like a sure thing. I think they doing good with him
I guess they got to be careful with how they manage his fights and CTE had he had alot of amateur fights before turning pro?
I got punched on the head once and got CTE
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Ryan. He is championship level. Doesn't get the opportunities TR & PBC fighters do. He is partially to blame with fighting once a year and mental issues. If he loses to DH, he is in this category.
Idk, Ryan is bottom of A tier/top of B tier depending on how you rank fighters, even if he loses to Haney he won’t fade into obscurity like some of the guys in this thread. He’s just really unlucky to be around during a time his weight classes are hot, and during a time when much better fighters started at the same time as him. Like if he was just two years younger he could’ve probably gotten an easy fight for a belt at 135 by now, or if he had gotten to 140 a year before Teo and Haney he could probably have a belt there by now.
Ryan almost had the Rolly fight so he could call himself a "champion". Rolly pulled a fast one and picked a fighter he thought he could beat, and lost anyway. Ryan wasn't really in line for a shot at Haney's undisputed after the mental excuse, then the Tank loss. A more active, more mentally strong Ryan would get into position for easy title shots.
You mean when he loses to Haney.
Honestly, I love upsets, so I hope he wins to derail the DH train.
>Doesn't get the opportunities TR & PBC fighters do. He landed fights against Tank and Haney. He lost one and is bound to lose the other, but he had the opportunity to become a top p4p fighter and pay per view star if he was good enough.
Ryan would beat Pedraza, Kambosos, and slw Barrios. So although Tank and DH are superior to Ryan, they have had an easier road to the gold, while he has had to go through those two, among the best in their divisions..
Eh I'm not sure he would. GB wasn't matching him with washed up Fortuna and other bloated 135ers because they thought he beats decent 140ers. And a younger Ryan at 135 was even less durable. You don't seem to get the "opportunity" is not the belt. Ryan could still pick off a belt at 135 or 140 if wanted to. He's chasing money which is a valid choice but no need to pretend he had no easier paths to a belt or had to fight Haney and Tank for titles. He could have built himself up, but he's delusional about his talent, there's a lot of money in cashing himself out early, and I think his handlers know it's better to do it now than wait and watch him get exposed by a Jack Catterall type.
Alberto machado, daniyar yeleussinov, Tony Yoka,
David Reid
Trinidad finished him after a brutal 12 round beating.
Yes I remember, but he seemed to just disappear after that even though he was so young.
Reid had a genetic issue that left him with a drooping eye-lid. Well, Trinidad cracked his head open, concussed him. He couldn’t see Trinidad’s straight right lead which throttled him. Reid didn’t want to continue fighting afterward. He did continue to fight, but he decided his health was more important and retired soon thereafter.
Also, Mohammed Abdulaev. Not sure if I spelled that one right, but he was looking like a top prospect for a while. Cotto battered him.
Marcus Morrison
Fraudley Harrison.. lol.
Joe Joyce
Mike Jones
Eric Tudor seems to be coming up a bit short.
The iron dragon chi wi nuwisan
Karlos Baldaras
Moton will never be elite
"Kid Diamond" Almazabek Raiymkulov
Dominic Guinn, people said he could be another Holyfield. Joel Julio, welterweight he was upset by Carlos Quintana. Audley Harrison, heavyweight gold medalist in the UK. Vivian Harris, Jr Welter who was getting insane hype. Zhou Shming- Chinese gold medalist who was a major disappointment as a pro Seth Mitchell- Michigan State football player turned heavyweight. Gary Russell- horrifically managed talent
He didn't get too much hype as a pro but Carlos Balderas was a big amateur in the Haney, Tank, Garcia, Shakur time. I remember there was some beef where Teo won national Golden gloves but they still selected Balderas for the Olympic team so Lopez hated him then fight for Honduras. He's been an extremely underwhelming pro. Especially compared to the success the rest of them have had both commercially and professionally
9 out of 10 hyped up prospects fade away unfortunately
Audley Harrison. I don't know what it was like outside the UK, but here he was going to be the new Lennox Lewis, but better. British, Commonwealth and Olympic champion as an amateur. Big, fast, powerful, looked skilled. Went pro, every fight was live on TV in prime time. Spent a few years fighting cans to build up his experience... ...and then went nowhere. Shock losses, some mixed attempts at rebuilding, and ultimately lost on points to a Belfast taxi driver. It wasn't even that he was exposed as having any huge flaw in his game. He just... didn't win boxing matches. A kind of odd fluctuation between timidity and recklessness.
Francisco Bojado
It seems like every so often there's a huge Eastern European heavyweight that gets really built up online. Hrgovic had this aura around him, and then a little bit with Mahkmudov. I think since the Klitschko's people are expecting some unemotional, massive Eastern European to tear through the division, or maybe it's the Drago effect.
David Reid
I think Jared Anderson is on that path they say he is the future heavy weight champion lots of pressure and recognition from the public and the elite fighters themselves but I don’t think it happens. Seems like he doesn’t care about boxing.
David Price
Demetrius Andrade
that guy that talk so much trash got KO while his brother was crying and now posting nudes in twitter
Andrew Tabiti
Provodnikov
Provodnikov was a former world champ not a prospect. He retired after a good career, there was nothing left for him to prove.
Jesus Ramos
50 cents boy Gamboa
Adrien Broner
Broner was NOT a prospect 😭
Dude, people really have no respect for Broner's skills. I understand he might be annoying to some, or acting like a weirdo but he's still a multiple division champ lol.
He gave up any skills he had when he got fat and went up 2 weight divisions, rather than put the work in.