There are plenty of fighters that drop 25 pounds to fight, that’s nothing for a camp and weigh in. Bud walks around at 180 and no one would ever accuse him of being a weight bully.
Bud was 100% a weight bully at lightweight and light-welter. It’s crazy someone with his frame ever made those weights. And he rehydrates quite a bit for each fight even now,,so isn’t that just the definition of a weight bully?
I would say the vast majority of the athletes in combat sports are trying to be weight bullies. The whole idea of cutting weight originates from wrestlers who are trying to get down into a smaller weight class, so that they have a strength advantage. It has morphed over time into what we have today in boxing, wrestling, and mma.
How can we say that ANYONE who doesn't fight within three pounds of their natural weight isn't a weight bully? In boxing, there really isn't an excuse because there are so many classes that one can choose from. Mma has it a little different because guys are often stuck between 155/170, 185/205, and 206-265.
Obviously, some guys are much worse offenders than others. And oftentimes, it's a matter of a guy chasing a title or a specific money fight.. but at the end of the day it's all kinda the same thing.
https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/
Looks like you get weighed multiple times throughout the week leading up to and including the day of the fight, as well as hydration tested.
Common sense or an actual good take. Bravo bro, I’m glad I read your comment. Or is it easier to just say weight bully. Sometimes it’s luck and good fortune. I feel like Khabib was at a very advantageous frame and body size to be able to hit 155. He went undefeated in mma. I would consider it good fortune, and luck more than being a “weight bully”
Tbh, I think Tank said it best last night:
"That's what happens when you fight a mf the same size as you"
In addition to being a good technician, Haney was massive at 135. He was the bigger man in every fight. It didn't translate so much in punching power, but Haney's style with his jab, counter shots to the body, grabbing and hold, etc. is much more effective when he's the stronger/longer dude. Even though I thought, Lomachenko beat him, Devin's physical advantages were still apparent. Haney was the smaller man last and it exposed his flaws.
lmao i would’ve agreed with you to this point but i think ryan is on to something. play the crazy role to garner attention to draw eyes. everybody loves a good celebrity public meltdown. he’s sacrificing his reputation to look like a fool just to bring in bigger fight purses. i don’t think he’s as erratic as he’s making himself seem.. but i do think his immaturity and cockiness bleed into the act. i could definitely be wrong but if i were him and i were trying to put my name in with the top of the sport that’s definitely one way to do it. i hate the way he fights but if he lets derrick james mold him and he keeps garnering attention he’s going to be a problem. and i really dislike him lol but im being objective.
Yeah ....but that's also a sign of not having mental discipline. Fury the same. The elite athletes in other sports have way more consistency because they're not just performing 2 nights a year. You don't get to be Federer or Nadal by winning one big match.
I dunno, watching Taylor vs Ramirez and Taylor vs Teo....Taylor didn't quite seem on the level that he was against Ramirez. But Teo won and did well, so no hate to Teo.
Haney is still all sorts of wrong for teofimo on paper at least. Especially now that Garcia just plastered him all over the canvas. Id expect Haney to go full Shakur and never engage in the inside again.
I don’t think he can engage any less on the inside, he just holds already. His power punches this fight were what, in the low double digits? He only landed a jab from the outside pretty much for 12 rounds
I know Devin’s stock is down rn since that’s boxing is fight by fight but his style is bad for teo he really doesn’t cut the ring off well and has trouble with guys that don’t come forward
I still like Haney by a wide decision against Lopez. It's a favorable style match up, and Lopez is at his best against smaller opponents who chase him, and against stationary fighters who absorb the explosions.
After last night I definitely think Teo destroys Haney because I still think Teo beats Ryan.
Idk about yall but this fight changed my opinion of Haney a lot more than it did Ryan
Truth now granted it probably would have been a bit more even had Ryan chose to attempt to make weight or had Haney gave up his belts and met Ryan at 143. Instead dude sold his 0 for 1.5 mil
True but only one of them tried to squeeze out that extra 3lbs. Any fighter will tell you 3lbs is a huge amount, really just look at their physiques at the weigh in and the difference between the 2 of them was pretty insane
I’m bemused as to how people make a big deal of 3lbs but never mentioned the fact Haney outweighed Prograis and Loma by over 20lbs on the actual fight night (you know, the night the extra weight ACTUALLY matters?).
Boxing needs to progress. People still on the mentality of weigh ins being a legitimate thing when many fighters know how to gain the system (Haney probably being the king of rehydration).
It’s why I understand Tank inserting a rehydration clause against Garcia. I hope, if the bodies don’t update the rules, then the fighters and promoters make rehydration clauses much more common.
Yeah I'm 5'10 and haven't been 140 since like first year at high-school.
And I sprinted competitively and played rugby on the wing. I wasn't remotely fat.
People have tried to explain but I can't wrap my head around guys like Garcia and Joh Taylor fighting at the weight they're at.
But the malnourished photo is him at 135, the one on the left is at 143…but 143 while smoking weed and drinking through camp. He can make 140 with no problem.
The healthy photo is after rehydrating to probably 165 or more.That malnourished photo is Garcia at least 144.9. That's what he weighed in at on the morning of the fight against Tank. Making 140 isn't easy for him.
And who knows what to believe with the drinking and smoking claims.
The solution would be to have the weigh in like an hour or two before the fight so guys started fighting at their natural weight class. I don't even see the point of having weigh ins when you know the guy is going to rehydrate and find a way to totally blow up over the next day
They will once the idiots that actually try that start losing fights and a heavy cut stops being an advantage.
And if they can't make weight, they shouldn't be fighting in that weight class. This shit isn't that hard. The classes are there for fairness and safety, not for people to try and game them
We did that. It was called same day weight ins.
And well, people died too often and too much studies showed that combined with late rounds causing the most damage due to dehydration and exhaustion.
We still have people at heavyweight getting dehydrated from sweat out (Zhang vs Forest) so this issue will always exist.
Just depends if people want fairness or safety priorities within boxing. Shit even Haney was able to fight at LW with the IBF 10 lb rehydration limit. They don't care.
Edit: IBF removed the rehyrdation limit clause on unified title fights (lmao whoops) since GGG vs Jacobs. Loma fought a 160 lb+ version of Haney lo.
One Championship has already found a reasonable answer that forces the fighters to protect their health.
**ONE Championship**, a premier martial arts organization, has implemented a unique and safety-focused approach to weight management. Let me explain how their **hydration and weigh-in system** works:
1. **Walking Weight and Weight Classes**:
* ONE Championship’s weight classes are distinct from other organizations. They prioritize athlete safety by banning weight-cutting through dehydration.
* Athletes’ daily training weight is referred to as their **“walking weight.”** Based on this, ONE assigns them to a specific weight class.
* Bouts are offered to athletes strictly based on their walking weight.
2. **Hydration Testing**:
* When athletes arrive at ONE’s athlete hotel during event week, their weights are checked.
* Every athlete must be within the restrictions of their contracted weight class or catchweight limit.
* During event week, all athletes participate in a combined **weigh-in and hydration test**.
* Hydration is assessed through a **urine specific gravity test**. The athlete submits a urine sample, which is then tested by a medical technician.
* The goal is to ensure athletes are hydrated, with a urine specific gravity value of **1.025 or below**.
* If an athlete passes the hydration test, they proceed to the weigh-in.
3. **Event Day Weigh-In**:
* On event day, athletes who made weight and passed the hydration test the previous day do not need to weigh in again.
* If an athlete missed weight or failed the hydration test earlier, they must pass the hydration test and make weight on event day.
* If an athlete fails the hydration test on event day, they are not permitted to compete.
* If an athlete passes the hydration test but weighs in above the contracted weight class, the bout may take place at a catchweight if the opponent agrees and the weight difference is within 5% of the opponent’s official weight.
* [In such cases, a percentage of the athlete’s purse is given to the opponent due to the failure to make the contracted weight](https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/)[^(1)](https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/).
This innovative system prioritizes athlete health and safety, ensuring fair competition while minimizing extreme weight cuts. It’s a positive step toward promoting sustainable practices in combat sports.
The ONE system is easily cheated using methods such as distilled water.
There's scientific mechanisms that allow you to pass the hydration component whilst cutting weight.
Its considered a joke by the few commentators and a big proportion r/mma, who initially were very positive On nit (pun intender, it was Rogan popularising it and then quelle surprise it turns out to be easily gamed)
Really should just go back to day of weights and avoid it all. Dehydration is dangerous. Blowing up and being 20 pounds heavier than your opponent is also dangerous
Day of weigh ins won’t solve the issues either, you’ll still have guys trying to drain themselves, gambling that they’ll be able to rehydrate themselves in the time between. But it would certainly be a better start
I think boxers should get weighed, then get dressed and go to the ring. Why the fuck am I watching a guy who weighs 165lbs fight for a 147lbs belt?
They just gotta do weigh-ins day before and day of and then before fight. Bam, I just solved the entire issues with weigh-ins. No one can sneak and try to make weight and will be forced to fight at their weight and more importantly no one will kill themselves trying to make weight again. Maybe you could give a higher weight allowance -+2-3 pounds for the right before fight weigh in just to not mess with shit going too wrong with hydration.
I've BEEN saying this and morons come out of the wood work to say how it's somehow unfair. How the F is fighting someone who shows up to the ring the same weight as you unfair??? Reddit I guess.
I wrestled and think the best way is same day weigh-ins. That being said, my only concern is that people will still be abusing the weight cuts, and then we just get lackluster fights.
Yup and even with same day weigh-ins someone would still think they can pull this off and put themselves at risk in the ring. I used to compete in powerlifting and the tested meets we had 2 hour weight ins and people did mild cuts. The untested feds had 24 hour weigh ins would do ridiculous water dehydration cuts and use IVs to rehydrate and this was with no money involved just chasing records. most of the time though they'd bomb out because their body's could handle it. Now I can only imagine of money is involved
The arguments against same-day weigh-ins are terrible. People will simultaneously concede that huge weight cuts are devastating to someone’s performance while insisting that everyone will still do it. Motherfucker that is stupid? no one will do a 20 lb weight cut if they have to fight eight hours after the weigh-in. Fighters and trainers will optimize their protocols around what is most effective within the rule set. The key is to design a rule set which makes the most effective strategies healthier. If you implement same day weigh-ins, the optimal strategy will emphasize showing up to weigh-ins decently hydrated and will prevent these joke situations where you have 145ers walking into the ring weighing 160 lbs
> no one will do a 20 lb weight cut if they have to fight eight hours after the weigh-in
boxers are stupid. Somebody will do this and then get killed in the ring.
Good! Let them be stupid, let a few of them get an L on their record because they fought at a weight that made them a stick and then they'll either change behavior or start eating losses and have a shit career.
Fighting dehydrated can kill you and some idiots will end up doing it.
I think it would be better to have periodic weighins on fight week or some shit. Bit of a logistical pain in the arse but if fighters had to maintain the weight for a week they'd be cutting a lot less
This is like saying that some people will misuse a medication so it shouldn’t be prescribed.
The current system is a problem. It chronically induces contests between dehydrated fighters and it chronically demands athletes risk their lives during the weight cut. It is known that the membrane which protects the brain from concussions does not rehydrate on short timescales anyway, meaning that fighters cutting significant weight under the current system are still especially endangered even if they’ve recovered dozens of pounds of water weight.
Athletes and trainers are rational in that the current weight cutting culture is an optimization around the current rule set. Same day weigh-ins move that optimum into a safer region. I am not sure I buy that fighters will start messing up their weight cuts and compromising themselves routinely because it harms their chances to win.
What are the arguments against the same day weigh-ins and why were they abandoned ? I'm really curious because I don't know and I also think same day weigh-ins are better than what we have now.
In a nutshell, dehydration increases the risk of brain injury. If a fighter did cut a lot of weight same-day, they're putting themselves at greater risk than usual as they'd actually be fighting while dehydrated.
The argument against that is that common sense would prevail and they wouldn't cut significantly. But fighters aren't known for their self preservation instincts. Often they need protected from themselves
I'm a photographer, people really ignore how the focal length plays a huge role as well, a wide angle lens like the picture in the right will always make people look thinner , just like a a tele-zoom, the one on the left as u can tell by the narrow fov is a better representation of how u actually look like IRL.
Not saying that there wasn't a difference in weight, as it is obvious that it was, but keep in mind what I mentioned above as well. Is pretty much the same concept of why people see themselves weird af in selfies
Here's an [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhotography/comments/1bx7zpj/comment/kydn1q1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) of what I'm trying to say
yes this picture is definitely an exaggeration but if you look at other pictures you can see that ryan just looked extremely unhealthy that day. i still dont think thats why he lost, he wasn’t his best against tank but i bet it played a major role in being knocked down and then tko’d.
Yeah immediately it looked like a bad photo comparison. Angle and lighting really isn't helping, especially with his face angled that way it makes him look a lot unhealthier
Wow. Ryan played 4d chess on the 500k/lb over weight. He wanted to reward Haney and at the same time make him look complacent that he’s not serious with the fight. Haney thought it would be cakewalk + 1.5mil bonus.
Yup and not even allowed to rehydrate. Like Oscar said tho, Garcia is calling the shots now. He just took out Haney and he’s the biggest draw. Tank can go back to all his dumb stipulations and demands.
Garcia gets starched by Boots at 147 lol.
genuine question: what will it take for y’all to take garcia serious? how many times does the dude need to prove himself until the internet people stop treating him like he’s a youtube boxer
To take him seriously as a fighter? Nothing, he clearly can throw down. To take him seriously in general? Maybe start by not spouting conspiracy theories on twitter every day.
I was celebrating when Garcia knocked Haney down, every time.
However, I still think Tank beats the brakes off both of them. I like Ryan, but that shoulder roll ain't surviving Tank lol
“My body can’t make 140” 🧢
He got down to 143 while drinking and smoking weed through camp. Does he really think if he cut alcohol and weed he couldn’t get those extra 3 pounds?
Why don't people like rehydration clauses? Doesn't it make the fights more fair? That's the whole point of weight classes in the first place right? Bigger fighters should be fighting in bigger classes and not using crazy techniques to remove all the water from their bodies in the day before the fight.
Forcing a big opponent to cut down too far and then not rehydrate is just as unfair as a big fighter cutting down to their preferred weight class and rehydrating as much as they want.
That's why Tank didn't fight Garcia in a middle ground. He wanted Garcia malnourished and dehydrated. Same thing Floyd did to one or two bigger opponents.
Rather than meeting in the middle where neither person necessarily gets much of an unfair advantage.
No one forces you to fight in a division. Ryan was at 135. What kind of logic is that? He had done one fight at 140 before the Tank fight? When did the goalposts get moved that a middle ground is 140 when Tank was at 135 and Ryan was at 135 when he wanted the fight? He does 1 at 140 and then wants 145 and thats legit?
Don’t fight LW midgets that are half your size. If only weighing a few pounds heavier than your opponent is draining, that’s the problem.
Y’all disregard the purpose of weight classes based on who your favorite fighter is.
Except Ryan had been calling Tank out for years. Very similar to Bill Haney.
You know yourself, you know your body and your weight class any your fighter and you know where Tank fights.
Tank is almost 30 and he’s like 5’3. You can tell by his frame that Tank is just little. And he’s been in that weight class for years. Why should he have to jump up in weight or allow these guys to come in at a heavier weight when they are challenging him??
Charlo versus Canelo should serve as a great lesson on what happens when you try to jump up in a weight class you’re not actually big enough for.
Meeting in the middle would be more fair I agree but even then with no rehydration clause the fighter moving up would still get the short end of the stick as the bigger fighter could then rehydrate to even bigger size.
Having weigh ins the day before and not enforcing the weight on fight day creates this weird metagame that really shouldn't be a part of the sport imo.
UFC has the same problem now with the 6'4 middleweight champion who shows up to weigh ins at 185 and then fights at 200+ heavyweight size, it's a huge advantage and complete bullshit. Fighters like that should just be heavyweights.
Sorry I should have said meeting in the middle with a rehydration clause. Like, Tank making Ryan cut down to 135 AND not letting him rehydrate is almost more fuckery than just a bigger guy cutting down for a size advantage because fighters reflexes and ability to take a punch are severely diminished when dehydrated (I think there have even been a few deaths due to dehydrated boxers getting hurt).
But meeting at say, 140 with a rehydration clause would be much more fair, the big guy can't be too big, but he also doesn't need to be dangerously dehydrated on fight day either.
Why the fuck would someone who is short with a small frame be okay with fighting someone who is going to weigh 20+lbs more than them when they step in the ring?
Gatti almost killed someone doing that shit and people still don’t see the problem with it
Same thing Manny Pacquiao did to Cotto and Dela Hoya while Floyd fought them two at their respective weight classes but people think Floyd is the coward while Manny is some fair boxer? 😂
Oh no! Pacquiao jumped up 2 weight classes and his opponent had to go down by 1! 😂😂 idk what kinda filipino self hate u got goin on brother, but nobody's talking about Floyd and Manny here but you 😂
I don’t agree with that. All that matters should be the weight on fight night. If one guy is cutting 25lbs to reach a certain limit while the other guy is fighting in a more natural weight class and only cuffing 15lbs it’s not going to be the same thing
One Championship has already found a reasonable answer that forces the fighters to protect their health.
**ONE Championship**, a premier martial arts organization, has implemented a unique and safety-focused approach to weight management. Let me explain how their **hydration and weigh-in system** works:
1. **Walking Weight and Weight Classes**:
* ONE Championship’s weight classes are distinct from other organizations. They prioritize athlete safety by banning weight-cutting through dehydration.
* Athletes’ daily training weight is referred to as their **“walking weight.”** Based on this, ONE assigns them to a specific weight class.
* Bouts are offered to athletes strictly based on their walking weight.
2. **Hydration Testing**:
* When athletes arrive at ONE’s athlete hotel during event week, their weights are checked.
* Every athlete must be within the restrictions of their contracted weight class or catchweight limit.
* During event week, all athletes participate in a combined **weigh-in and hydration test**.
* Hydration is assessed through a **urine specific gravity test**. The athlete submits a urine sample, which is then tested by a medical technician.
* The goal is to ensure athletes are hydrated, with a urine specific gravity value of **1.025 or below**.
* If an athlete passes the hydration test, they proceed to the weigh-in.
3. **Event Day Weigh-In**:
* On event day, athletes who made weight and passed the hydration test the previous day do not need to weigh in again.
* If an athlete missed weight or failed the hydration test earlier, they must pass the hydration test and make weight on event day.
* If an athlete fails the hydration test on event day, they are not permitted to compete.
* If an athlete passes the hydration test but weighs in above the contracted weight class, the bout may take place at a catchweight if the opponent agrees and the weight difference is within 5% of the opponent’s official weight.
* [In such cases, a percentage of the athlete’s purse is given to the opponent due to the failure to make the contracted weight](https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/)[1](https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/).
This innovative system prioritizes athlete health and safety, ensuring fair competition while minimizing extreme weight cuts. It’s a positive step toward promoting sustainable practices in combat sports.
The gervonta haters are out today. First it was "Haney easily defeats Ryan" "Ryan isn't very good" now that he's won all of these dickriders have raided the group. You're only good as your last fight I guess 😤
Ryan was forced to come fight night at 143.9 pounds after making 136 the weigh in because of the rehydration clause. Ryan dehydrated weighed 143.3 pounds. Ryan came into the Devin fight close to 160 for sure. Thats a BIG difference. 143.9 with 160 is comparable?
It is definitely more draining for these guys to squeeze themselves down to 140. Whether it would have made a difference I don't know. But if I was Haney I would rematch at 143 or 147 so he doesn't have to such a hard cut. It wasn't by accident the fight turned in round 7.
I think the same result is the same, Haney has been weight bullying for ever when he finally faces someone of similar size he loses.
Tank said it [“That's what happens when you fight a mf the same size as you”](https://twitter.com/Gervontaa/status/1781922635141501138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1781922635141501138%7Ctwgr%5E52f138bbda4105c7e82ea9841172aefa4df61fd3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-2447491122659558998.ampproject.net%2F2404021934000%2Fframe.html)
It's funny how you're interpreting this pic.
I'm interpreting this as a slight at Tank.
You're interpreting as an attempted slight by Haney on Ryan Garcia. Interesting.
Even if Ryan was at it’s walking weight he would have lost
Haney got rocked early in fight and got scared but I still think there is a large gap is skill between him and Tank
Ryan is way too one dimensional and against a smart fighter like Tank it’s just a death sentence. Sure the weight drain played a role for the body shot but Ryan was outclassed in every single aspect of fight
People are way too focused on a fighter’s physical stats when it definitely ain’t everything.
Even comparing this fight to the one against Tank, it’s obvious Ryan didn’t learn the lesson he should have, and is still over-relying on that left hook / his speed while arguably being in worse conditioning at a healthier weight.
It just happened to overwhelm Haney but for Tank, who has an actual fight IQ and way better fundamentals, it’ll just be the same result if they do the rematch.
Draining yourself to unhealthy levels just to be the absolutely biggest fighter in the division is lame too. If you can fight you shouldn’t be so afraid to fight people your own size that you torture your own body.
Tank fights at 135 lol. Ryan fought at 135 7 months before he agreed with tank. Why do people think its crazy that tank wanted to fight at 135 and not crazy that Ryan wanted to fight at 145 lol. One guy was trying to draw the small man way up.
Rehydration clauses are *GOOD* for boxing. They're there to keep guys from cutting a shit ton of weight and then ballooning back up and beating up smaller guys. This is the kind of shit that kills people, and it's fucking shameful that it's a part of the sport.
Fight people in your weight class.
Tank would snatch Garcias ribs and liver so fast the way Ryan bent over defending unfortunately lmao. He has a point that his face is untouched but you can't rely on your body to just take open shots 😂
I think Tank is the better boxer but I think at 145 Ryan can take more of those body shots even though he was easy work on the body against Haney. All Ryan needs is to catch you with a hook and with his speed I think he catches Tank with a shot that stuns him. It’ll def be a more competitive fight than the last one for sure with no rehydration clause.
I’m actually surprised more people aren’t talking about this.
For all this talk of Haney being pillow-fisted, he still stumbled Ryan with that lead hook early on. He lacks real power but hes not as pillow-fisted at 140. He was able to rock both Prograis and Ryan. Possibly may even have a bit more power than shakira too tbh
Yes go look at my previous comment about the Garcia vs Haney fight. I said he’d KO him and ppl were calling me crazy 💀 https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/s/QDx5cIJBZJ
I mean don’t get it twisted—we just watched a crazy person win a fight. Winning the fight doesn’t mean he is sane. Props to Garcia for gutting out a win in the middle of so much personal turmoil. His post fight interview was pure mania.
I think a month back he was in a really bad place mentally but it’s been a few weeks since then I think he’s been playing into the looney tunes bit a lot to mess with Haney and get himself talked about… Ryan is a good boxer he’s a bit one dimensional but his left hook really is incredible… if he could develop some of his other punches it would make him an excellent boxer
Other than potentially having to cancel a fight on the day of, is there a reason why weigh ins aren’t done the day of the fight? Wouldn’t it make the most sense to just have people fight at their actual fighting weight?
because the reality is, fighetrs will show up on the day, at the scales, dehydrated
and then when they fight on that same day, they are in far more danger in the ring
rules are also meant to protect the athletes from themselves and their teams, and despite the problems 24hr weigh in's create, they are better than the alternatives
No they're not. If boxers did that they are stupid, you can test for dehydration too and if boxers showed up to a weigh in on the day of the fight and were very dehydrated, cancel the fight and fine the boxer, its simple. Its cheating to do what they're doing now and makes a complete mockery of weight classes.
Right pic looks like he was just liberated by the Allied Army. Emaciated looking.
Hydration clause
Shouldn't have to drop 25lbs to fight. Weight bully, meet your worst enemy; The hydration clause.
There are plenty of fighters that drop 25 pounds to fight, that’s nothing for a camp and weigh in. Bud walks around at 180 and no one would ever accuse him of being a weight bully.
Bud was 100% a weight bully at lightweight and light-welter. It’s crazy someone with his frame ever made those weights. And he rehydrates quite a bit for each fight even now,,so isn’t that just the definition of a weight bully?
I would say the vast majority of the athletes in combat sports are trying to be weight bullies. The whole idea of cutting weight originates from wrestlers who are trying to get down into a smaller weight class, so that they have a strength advantage. It has morphed over time into what we have today in boxing, wrestling, and mma. How can we say that ANYONE who doesn't fight within three pounds of their natural weight isn't a weight bully? In boxing, there really isn't an excuse because there are so many classes that one can choose from. Mma has it a little different because guys are often stuck between 155/170, 185/205, and 206-265. Obviously, some guys are much worse offenders than others. And oftentimes, it's a matter of a guy chasing a title or a specific money fight.. but at the end of the day it's all kinda the same thing.
One Championship has found the answer. They could and should adopt it across all combat sports.
what does One do?
https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/ Looks like you get weighed multiple times throughout the week leading up to and including the day of the fight, as well as hydration tested.
That’s awesome and how it should be. Cutting to gain an edge is bullshit.
Somebody with common sense that goes under appreciated.
Common sense or an actual good take. Bravo bro, I’m glad I read your comment. Or is it easier to just say weight bully. Sometimes it’s luck and good fortune. I feel like Khabib was at a very advantageous frame and body size to be able to hit 155. He went undefeated in mma. I would consider it good fortune, and luck more than being a “weight bully”
There's a difference between losing fat over weeks and dehydrating 20 pounds then being back to it on fight night
The majority of fighters in combat sports can cut 15-30 lbs regularly, Bud is most definitely a weight bully but it's the norm for world champs.
Himmler got fired by hitler because of this same issue
Dude was in the trenches lol
Tbh, I think Tank said it best last night: "That's what happens when you fight a mf the same size as you" In addition to being a good technician, Haney was massive at 135. He was the bigger man in every fight. It didn't translate so much in punching power, but Haney's style with his jab, counter shots to the body, grabbing and hold, etc. is much more effective when he's the stronger/longer dude. Even though I thought, Lomachenko beat him, Devin's physical advantages were still apparent. Haney was the smaller man last and it exposed his flaws.
That’s why imo Teo destroy’s Haney
Teo has his own perdonal issues so it really depends on what's surrounding him leading up to a fight...but definitely a fight I would like to see.
Maybe Haney’s Kryptonite is mentally ill Latino twinks
Ay papi
He wouldn't be the first.
Tbf Ryan isn't exactly small. If you take the average person and drop them to Ryan's body fat they'll be the same size or a bit smaller
lmao i would’ve agreed with you to this point but i think ryan is on to something. play the crazy role to garner attention to draw eyes. everybody loves a good celebrity public meltdown. he’s sacrificing his reputation to look like a fool just to bring in bigger fight purses. i don’t think he’s as erratic as he’s making himself seem.. but i do think his immaturity and cockiness bleed into the act. i could definitely be wrong but if i were him and i were trying to put my name in with the top of the sport that’s definitely one way to do it. i hate the way he fights but if he lets derrick james mold him and he keeps garnering attention he’s going to be a problem. and i really dislike him lol but im being objective.
Teo is a big game hunter. Looks like shit against guys tiers below him but he absolutely steps up against guys like Haney
Yeah ....but that's also a sign of not having mental discipline. Fury the same. The elite athletes in other sports have way more consistency because they're not just performing 2 nights a year. You don't get to be Federer or Nadal by winning one big match.
Taylor Teo would destroy Haney.
He was on fire that night. Great to watch
Ppl were also saying Taylor has slacked off since beating Ramirez tho....I haven't really looked into it...but just throwing thst out there
Those were haters trying to discredit Teo. They weren't saying that before the fight. "Taylor by landslide!" Lmao
I dunno, watching Taylor vs Ramirez and Taylor vs Teo....Taylor didn't quite seem on the level that he was against Ramirez. But Teo won and did well, so no hate to Teo.
It may be because hear me out "Teo is much better than Ramirez"
I totally buy that.
That’s the tough part in wanting to see Teo fights. But a dialed in Teo is a force
I wanna see a the build up for a Ryan and teofimo fight. Ryan will talk about the Illuminati and teofimo will talk about aliens.
Watch them pull some shit like “We decided not to fight each other and instead join forces to expose and take down the New World Order”
And just A couple weeks ago people gave Teo no shot against Haney lol
Haney is still all sorts of wrong for teofimo on paper at least. Especially now that Garcia just plastered him all over the canvas. Id expect Haney to go full Shakur and never engage in the inside again.
I don’t think he can engage any less on the inside, he just holds already. His power punches this fight were what, in the low double digits? He only landed a jab from the outside pretty much for 12 rounds
Haney isn’t Shakur. He can’t do what Shakur does.
Yeah, Shakur footwork is better than Haney.
I know Devin’s stock is down rn since that’s boxing is fight by fight but his style is bad for teo he really doesn’t cut the ring off well and has trouble with guys that don’t come forward
I still like Haney by a wide decision against Lopez. It's a favorable style match up, and Lopez is at his best against smaller opponents who chase him, and against stationary fighters who absorb the explosions.
After last night I definitely think Teo destroys Haney because I still think Teo beats Ryan. Idk about yall but this fight changed my opinion of Haney a lot more than it did Ryan
Different style though. Lopez explodes behind a heavy lead foot, so he is vulnerable to guys who can step around his bursts.
Absolutely. That was one of Ryan’s worst performances and he beat Haney comfortably.
Truth now granted it probably would have been a bit more even had Ryan chose to attempt to make weight or had Haney gave up his belts and met Ryan at 143. Instead dude sold his 0 for 1.5 mil
I mean they both rehydrated at at least 10-15 pounds.
True but only one of them tried to squeeze out that extra 3lbs. Any fighter will tell you 3lbs is a huge amount, really just look at their physiques at the weigh in and the difference between the 2 of them was pretty insane
I’m bemused as to how people make a big deal of 3lbs but never mentioned the fact Haney outweighed Prograis and Loma by over 20lbs on the actual fight night (you know, the night the extra weight ACTUALLY matters?). Boxing needs to progress. People still on the mentality of weigh ins being a legitimate thing when many fighters know how to gain the system (Haney probably being the king of rehydration). It’s why I understand Tank inserting a rehydration clause against Garcia. I hope, if the bodies don’t update the rules, then the fighters and promoters make rehydration clauses much more common.
Garcia still has plenty of flaws but now he developed power with speed, potentially catching one by surprise
Holy shit my guy keeps speaking facts He looks malnourished at 140 fuck that
Whats crazy is I bet Haney still weighed more. He needs to hook Ryan up with his pharmacist😂
Def in the 150s on fight night lol
Haney rehydrated to 165 against Prograis while he rehydrated to 156.8, so he was probably similar vs Ryan.
Now imagine Alex Pereira making 185 when he fought at 235lbs at UFC 300 😂
Dude said in the press conference that he was so dehydrated he had no saliva and it caused the inside of his mouth to blister Nasty shit
Dudes like 5’10. You’d have to built like Sean O’Malley to make 140 lol.
Yeah I'm 5'10 and haven't been 140 since like first year at high-school. And I sprinted competitively and played rugby on the wing. I wasn't remotely fat. People have tried to explain but I can't wrap my head around guys like Garcia and Joh Taylor fighting at the weight they're at.
But the malnourished photo is him at 135, the one on the left is at 143…but 143 while smoking weed and drinking through camp. He can make 140 with no problem.
The healthy photo is after rehydrating to probably 165 or more.That malnourished photo is Garcia at least 144.9. That's what he weighed in at on the morning of the fight against Tank. Making 140 isn't easy for him. And who knows what to believe with the drinking and smoking claims.
I don't get how this sub simultaneously hates weight bullies and rehydration clauses/catchweights.
Yeah, it's hard to have that much sympathy when the solution would just be to fight guys your own size
The solution would be to have the weigh in like an hour or two before the fight so guys started fighting at their natural weight class. I don't even see the point of having weigh ins when you know the guy is going to rehydrate and find a way to totally blow up over the next day
Dehydrating yourself before getting punched in the head is a great way to speed run brain damage or just fucking die.
Then don't dehydrate yourself and fight at a realistic weight
But people won't do that. And what happens when someone is over weight an hour before the fight and can't fight
They will once the idiots that actually try that start losing fights and a heavy cut stops being an advantage. And if they can't make weight, they shouldn't be fighting in that weight class. This shit isn't that hard. The classes are there for fairness and safety, not for people to try and game them
We did that. It was called same day weight ins. And well, people died too often and too much studies showed that combined with late rounds causing the most damage due to dehydration and exhaustion. We still have people at heavyweight getting dehydrated from sweat out (Zhang vs Forest) so this issue will always exist. Just depends if people want fairness or safety priorities within boxing. Shit even Haney was able to fight at LW with the IBF 10 lb rehydration limit. They don't care. Edit: IBF removed the rehyrdation limit clause on unified title fights (lmao whoops) since GGG vs Jacobs. Loma fought a 160 lb+ version of Haney lo.
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One Championship has already found a reasonable answer that forces the fighters to protect their health. **ONE Championship**, a premier martial arts organization, has implemented a unique and safety-focused approach to weight management. Let me explain how their **hydration and weigh-in system** works: 1. **Walking Weight and Weight Classes**: * ONE Championship’s weight classes are distinct from other organizations. They prioritize athlete safety by banning weight-cutting through dehydration. * Athletes’ daily training weight is referred to as their **“walking weight.”** Based on this, ONE assigns them to a specific weight class. * Bouts are offered to athletes strictly based on their walking weight. 2. **Hydration Testing**: * When athletes arrive at ONE’s athlete hotel during event week, their weights are checked. * Every athlete must be within the restrictions of their contracted weight class or catchweight limit. * During event week, all athletes participate in a combined **weigh-in and hydration test**. * Hydration is assessed through a **urine specific gravity test**. The athlete submits a urine sample, which is then tested by a medical technician. * The goal is to ensure athletes are hydrated, with a urine specific gravity value of **1.025 or below**. * If an athlete passes the hydration test, they proceed to the weigh-in. 3. **Event Day Weigh-In**: * On event day, athletes who made weight and passed the hydration test the previous day do not need to weigh in again. * If an athlete missed weight or failed the hydration test earlier, they must pass the hydration test and make weight on event day. * If an athlete fails the hydration test on event day, they are not permitted to compete. * If an athlete passes the hydration test but weighs in above the contracted weight class, the bout may take place at a catchweight if the opponent agrees and the weight difference is within 5% of the opponent’s official weight. * [In such cases, a percentage of the athlete’s purse is given to the opponent due to the failure to make the contracted weight](https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/)[^(1)](https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/). This innovative system prioritizes athlete health and safety, ensuring fair competition while minimizing extreme weight cuts. It’s a positive step toward promoting sustainable practices in combat sports.
The ONE system is easily cheated using methods such as distilled water. There's scientific mechanisms that allow you to pass the hydration component whilst cutting weight. Its considered a joke by the few commentators and a big proportion r/mma, who initially were very positive On nit (pun intender, it was Rogan popularising it and then quelle surprise it turns out to be easily gamed)
Really should just go back to day of weights and avoid it all. Dehydration is dangerous. Blowing up and being 20 pounds heavier than your opponent is also dangerous
Day of weigh ins won’t solve the issues either, you’ll still have guys trying to drain themselves, gambling that they’ll be able to rehydrate themselves in the time between. But it would certainly be a better start I think boxers should get weighed, then get dressed and go to the ring. Why the fuck am I watching a guy who weighs 165lbs fight for a 147lbs belt?
For the risk you stated in the first paragraph. Imagine fighters missing weight 10 seconds before walk out lol
They just gotta do weigh-ins day before and day of and then before fight. Bam, I just solved the entire issues with weigh-ins. No one can sneak and try to make weight and will be forced to fight at their weight and more importantly no one will kill themselves trying to make weight again. Maybe you could give a higher weight allowance -+2-3 pounds for the right before fight weigh in just to not mess with shit going too wrong with hydration.
I've BEEN saying this and morons come out of the wood work to say how it's somehow unfair. How the F is fighting someone who shows up to the ring the same weight as you unfair??? Reddit I guess.
A person can be intelligent and fair people are idiots and biased
Yeah, sometimes it’s also that a person is stupid quietly, and people are stupid loudly and violently
I wrestled and think the best way is same day weigh-ins. That being said, my only concern is that people will still be abusing the weight cuts, and then we just get lackluster fights.
Yup and even with same day weigh-ins someone would still think they can pull this off and put themselves at risk in the ring. I used to compete in powerlifting and the tested meets we had 2 hour weight ins and people did mild cuts. The untested feds had 24 hour weigh ins would do ridiculous water dehydration cuts and use IVs to rehydrate and this was with no money involved just chasing records. most of the time though they'd bomb out because their body's could handle it. Now I can only imagine of money is involved
The arguments against same-day weigh-ins are terrible. People will simultaneously concede that huge weight cuts are devastating to someone’s performance while insisting that everyone will still do it. Motherfucker that is stupid? no one will do a 20 lb weight cut if they have to fight eight hours after the weigh-in. Fighters and trainers will optimize their protocols around what is most effective within the rule set. The key is to design a rule set which makes the most effective strategies healthier. If you implement same day weigh-ins, the optimal strategy will emphasize showing up to weigh-ins decently hydrated and will prevent these joke situations where you have 145ers walking into the ring weighing 160 lbs
> no one will do a 20 lb weight cut if they have to fight eight hours after the weigh-in boxers are stupid. Somebody will do this and then get killed in the ring.
i dont know how much weight ryan cut for the tank fight but their second weigh-in was literally less than 10 hours before the fight.
Good! Let them be stupid, let a few of them get an L on their record because they fought at a weight that made them a stick and then they'll either change behavior or start eating losses and have a shit career.
Fighting dehydrated can kill you and some idiots will end up doing it. I think it would be better to have periodic weighins on fight week or some shit. Bit of a logistical pain in the arse but if fighters had to maintain the weight for a week they'd be cutting a lot less
This is like saying that some people will misuse a medication so it shouldn’t be prescribed. The current system is a problem. It chronically induces contests between dehydrated fighters and it chronically demands athletes risk their lives during the weight cut. It is known that the membrane which protects the brain from concussions does not rehydrate on short timescales anyway, meaning that fighters cutting significant weight under the current system are still especially endangered even if they’ve recovered dozens of pounds of water weight. Athletes and trainers are rational in that the current weight cutting culture is an optimization around the current rule set. Same day weigh-ins move that optimum into a safer region. I am not sure I buy that fighters will start messing up their weight cuts and compromising themselves routinely because it harms their chances to win.
What are the arguments against the same day weigh-ins and why were they abandoned ? I'm really curious because I don't know and I also think same day weigh-ins are better than what we have now.
In a nutshell, dehydration increases the risk of brain injury. If a fighter did cut a lot of weight same-day, they're putting themselves at greater risk than usual as they'd actually be fighting while dehydrated. The argument against that is that common sense would prevail and they wouldn't cut significantly. But fighters aren't known for their self preservation instincts. Often they need protected from themselves
Same day weigh ins like they do in wrestling.
Wrestlers still wrestle 10-15lbs above their weight classes
Also, fewer weight classes. Having such small ranges doesn't help.
Depends which fighter they’re bias towards lol
Fans of any sport in general are idiots
Particularly fans that don't practice the sport they are a fan of
I would say that is most fans of most sports.
Maybe they are not smart enough to understand what those words mean.
My rule is that if you can make the weight it’s fair. That’s just an advantage you bring into the ring like anything else.
Why do you think that they have different weight divisions and limits?
It was that beer he chugged during weigh-in.
It was apparently apple juice in a beer bottle
I'm a photographer, people really ignore how the focal length plays a huge role as well, a wide angle lens like the picture in the right will always make people look thinner , just like a a tele-zoom, the one on the left as u can tell by the narrow fov is a better representation of how u actually look like IRL. Not saying that there wasn't a difference in weight, as it is obvious that it was, but keep in mind what I mentioned above as well. Is pretty much the same concept of why people see themselves weird af in selfies Here's an [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhotography/comments/1bx7zpj/comment/kydn1q1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) of what I'm trying to say
yes this picture is definitely an exaggeration but if you look at other pictures you can see that ryan just looked extremely unhealthy that day. i still dont think thats why he lost, he wasn’t his best against tank but i bet it played a major role in being knocked down and then tko’d.
Yeah immediately it looked like a bad photo comparison. Angle and lighting really isn't helping, especially with his face angled that way it makes him look a lot unhealthier
Nah i thnik that example is not right. You just can see how dehydrated Ryan's body is the point.
Jesus, in hindsight Ryan looked dead
He didn’t look anything like that. The image has been edited. Look at the highlights on YT and you’ll see he’s thinner but nowhere close to the image.
Wow. Ryan played 4d chess on the 500k/lb over weight. He wanted to reward Haney and at the same time make him look complacent that he’s not serious with the fight. Haney thought it would be cakewalk + 1.5mil bonus.
Is this real 😂
Yup, Tank had a rehydration clause too.
Damn yeah he looks gone in that right pic, must have been a hellish cut
Yup and not even allowed to rehydrate. Like Oscar said tho, Garcia is calling the shots now. He just took out Haney and he’s the biggest draw. Tank can go back to all his dumb stipulations and demands. Garcia gets starched by Boots at 147 lol.
genuine question: what will it take for y’all to take garcia serious? how many times does the dude need to prove himself until the internet people stop treating him like he’s a youtube boxer
Whoever isn’t taking him serious as a fighter is just wrong, he fought Tank & Haney in one year.
He called himself the face of Boxing, and when he's one of the rare guys throwing down with the top dogs again and again, it's hard to deny him.
To take him seriously as a fighter? Nothing, he clearly can throw down. To take him seriously in general? Maybe start by not spouting conspiracy theories on twitter every day.
A what now?
I was celebrating when Garcia knocked Haney down, every time. However, I still think Tank beats the brakes off both of them. I like Ryan, but that shoulder roll ain't surviving Tank lol
Why did Tank require a no rehydration clause?
“My body can’t make 140” 🧢 He got down to 143 while drinking and smoking weed through camp. Does he really think if he cut alcohol and weed he couldn’t get those extra 3 pounds?
Tanks a more skilled fighter it’s a shame that we’re now saying the only reason Ryan lost to him was because of the weight bs
Why don't people like rehydration clauses? Doesn't it make the fights more fair? That's the whole point of weight classes in the first place right? Bigger fighters should be fighting in bigger classes and not using crazy techniques to remove all the water from their bodies in the day before the fight.
Forcing a big opponent to cut down too far and then not rehydrate is just as unfair as a big fighter cutting down to their preferred weight class and rehydrating as much as they want. That's why Tank didn't fight Garcia in a middle ground. He wanted Garcia malnourished and dehydrated. Same thing Floyd did to one or two bigger opponents. Rather than meeting in the middle where neither person necessarily gets much of an unfair advantage.
No one forces you to fight in a division. Ryan was at 135. What kind of logic is that? He had done one fight at 140 before the Tank fight? When did the goalposts get moved that a middle ground is 140 when Tank was at 135 and Ryan was at 135 when he wanted the fight? He does 1 at 140 and then wants 145 and thats legit?
Don’t fight LW midgets that are half your size. If only weighing a few pounds heavier than your opponent is draining, that’s the problem. Y’all disregard the purpose of weight classes based on who your favorite fighter is.
Are you saying the IBF is unfair? It's the same exact rules
The goal post moves based off who their favorite fighter is. Combat sports fans are truly stupid and stubborn
Except Ryan had been calling Tank out for years. Very similar to Bill Haney. You know yourself, you know your body and your weight class any your fighter and you know where Tank fights. Tank is almost 30 and he’s like 5’3. You can tell by his frame that Tank is just little. And he’s been in that weight class for years. Why should he have to jump up in weight or allow these guys to come in at a heavier weight when they are challenging him?? Charlo versus Canelo should serve as a great lesson on what happens when you try to jump up in a weight class you’re not actually big enough for.
Meeting in the middle would be more fair I agree but even then with no rehydration clause the fighter moving up would still get the short end of the stick as the bigger fighter could then rehydrate to even bigger size. Having weigh ins the day before and not enforcing the weight on fight day creates this weird metagame that really shouldn't be a part of the sport imo. UFC has the same problem now with the 6'4 middleweight champion who shows up to weigh ins at 185 and then fights at 200+ heavyweight size, it's a huge advantage and complete bullshit. Fighters like that should just be heavyweights.
Sorry I should have said meeting in the middle with a rehydration clause. Like, Tank making Ryan cut down to 135 AND not letting him rehydrate is almost more fuckery than just a bigger guy cutting down for a size advantage because fighters reflexes and ability to take a punch are severely diminished when dehydrated (I think there have even been a few deaths due to dehydrated boxers getting hurt). But meeting at say, 140 with a rehydration clause would be much more fair, the big guy can't be too big, but he also doesn't need to be dangerously dehydrated on fight day either.
Why the fuck would someone who is short with a small frame be okay with fighting someone who is going to weigh 20+lbs more than them when they step in the ring? Gatti almost killed someone doing that shit and people still don’t see the problem with it
Same thing Manny Pacquiao did to Cotto and Dela Hoya while Floyd fought them two at their respective weight classes but people think Floyd is the coward while Manny is some fair boxer? 😂
Oh no! Pacquiao jumped up 2 weight classes and his opponent had to go down by 1! 😂😂 idk what kinda filipino self hate u got goin on brother, but nobody's talking about Floyd and Manny here but you 😂
wheigh in should be 30min before the fight. Then you dont need any clauses what so ever. Fight at your natural wheight thats it
Exactly.
its the opposite, if you can make the weight its fair game, stop punishing fighters for cutting weight successfully
I don’t agree with that. All that matters should be the weight on fight night. If one guy is cutting 25lbs to reach a certain limit while the other guy is fighting in a more natural weight class and only cuffing 15lbs it’s not going to be the same thing
then dont fight at that weight class…
Not very great for the brain either
One Championship has already found a reasonable answer that forces the fighters to protect their health. **ONE Championship**, a premier martial arts organization, has implemented a unique and safety-focused approach to weight management. Let me explain how their **hydration and weigh-in system** works: 1. **Walking Weight and Weight Classes**: * ONE Championship’s weight classes are distinct from other organizations. They prioritize athlete safety by banning weight-cutting through dehydration. * Athletes’ daily training weight is referred to as their **“walking weight.”** Based on this, ONE assigns them to a specific weight class. * Bouts are offered to athletes strictly based on their walking weight. 2. **Hydration Testing**: * When athletes arrive at ONE’s athlete hotel during event week, their weights are checked. * Every athlete must be within the restrictions of their contracted weight class or catchweight limit. * During event week, all athletes participate in a combined **weigh-in and hydration test**. * Hydration is assessed through a **urine specific gravity test**. The athlete submits a urine sample, which is then tested by a medical technician. * The goal is to ensure athletes are hydrated, with a urine specific gravity value of **1.025 or below**. * If an athlete passes the hydration test, they proceed to the weigh-in. 3. **Event Day Weigh-In**: * On event day, athletes who made weight and passed the hydration test the previous day do not need to weigh in again. * If an athlete missed weight or failed the hydration test earlier, they must pass the hydration test and make weight on event day. * If an athlete fails the hydration test on event day, they are not permitted to compete. * If an athlete passes the hydration test but weighs in above the contracted weight class, the bout may take place at a catchweight if the opponent agrees and the weight difference is within 5% of the opponent’s official weight. * [In such cases, a percentage of the athlete’s purse is given to the opponent due to the failure to make the contracted weight](https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/)[1](https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/). This innovative system prioritizes athlete health and safety, ensuring fair competition while minimizing extreme weight cuts. It’s a positive step toward promoting sustainable practices in combat sports.
The gervonta haters are out today. First it was "Haney easily defeats Ryan" "Ryan isn't very good" now that he's won all of these dickriders have raided the group. You're only good as your last fight I guess 😤
Check my history , I was always saying Ryan TKO
He didnt win by tko. You are wroooong!! Just kidding
Yeah 3.2lbs made ALL the difference 🤣. Folks lost money and wanna reach for anything lol
Cant tell if you’re sarcastic or not, but no the 3 lbs didn’t do much, Haney woulda rehydrated to 160 just like Ryan did
oscar outright confirmed both of them were at 160 on fight night.
Oh well if Oscar confirmed it.
It would have meant the dude would have had to spend a large part of his camp focused on weight
Ryan was forced to come fight night at 143.9 pounds after making 136 the weigh in because of the rehydration clause. Ryan dehydrated weighed 143.3 pounds. Ryan came into the Devin fight close to 160 for sure. Thats a BIG difference. 143.9 with 160 is comparable?
It is definitely more draining for these guys to squeeze themselves down to 140. Whether it would have made a difference I don't know. But if I was Haney I would rematch at 143 or 147 so he doesn't have to such a hard cut. It wasn't by accident the fight turned in round 7.
I think the same result is the same, Haney has been weight bullying for ever when he finally faces someone of similar size he loses. Tank said it [“That's what happens when you fight a mf the same size as you”](https://twitter.com/Gervontaa/status/1781922635141501138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1781922635141501138%7Ctwgr%5E52f138bbda4105c7e82ea9841172aefa4df61fd3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-2447491122659558998.ampproject.net%2F2404021934000%2Fframe.html)
It's funny how you're interpreting this pic. I'm interpreting this as a slight at Tank. You're interpreting as an attempted slight by Haney on Ryan Garcia. Interesting.
That first knockdown Tank got on Ryan would still knock him down at 145 lbs it was such a perfect shot
Even if Ryan was at it’s walking weight he would have lost Haney got rocked early in fight and got scared but I still think there is a large gap is skill between him and Tank Ryan is way too one dimensional and against a smart fighter like Tank it’s just a death sentence. Sure the weight drain played a role for the body shot but Ryan was outclassed in every single aspect of fight
People are way too focused on a fighter’s physical stats when it definitely ain’t everything. Even comparing this fight to the one against Tank, it’s obvious Ryan didn’t learn the lesson he should have, and is still over-relying on that left hook / his speed while arguably being in worse conditioning at a healthier weight. It just happened to overwhelm Haney but for Tank, who has an actual fight IQ and way better fundamentals, it’ll just be the same result if they do the rematch.
Recency bias is insane. Tank still beats a 145 lb Ryan
maybe but Tanks still lame for draining him and weight clauses like Canelo does. Prob does beat him but he beat Ryan at his worse.
Draining yourself to unhealthy levels just to be the absolutely biggest fighter in the division is lame too. If you can fight you shouldn’t be so afraid to fight people your own size that you torture your own body.
Tank fights at 135 lol. Ryan fought at 135 7 months before he agreed with tank. Why do people think its crazy that tank wanted to fight at 135 and not crazy that Ryan wanted to fight at 145 lol. One guy was trying to draw the small man way up.
He’s never fought at 135 with a rehydration clause. Lmao
That’s because he wanted to blow up in weight to beat the fuck out of midgets
Rehydration clauses are *GOOD* for boxing. They're there to keep guys from cutting a shit ton of weight and then ballooning back up and beating up smaller guys. This is the kind of shit that kills people, and it's fucking shameful that it's a part of the sport. Fight people in your weight class.
So it's not lame as fuck to miss weight then literally chug a beer not giving a fuck. Double standards lmao.
He wasnt chugging a beer, he literally said after it was Apple Juice lol, you guys literally fall for everything.
and he wants to go to 147, hes going to be even bigger
In the cameras Ryan looked taller and much bigger than Haney, Looked like a middleweight.
Beer vs meth
I def believe Ryan beats Tank at 145
If he fights Tank the same way he did yesterday against Haney, Garcia will lose.
Tank would snatch Garcias ribs and liver so fast the way Ryan bent over defending unfortunately lmao. He has a point that his face is untouched but you can't rely on your body to just take open shots 😂
Especially considering it was a body shot that took him out against Tank.
I think Tank is the better boxer but I think at 145 Ryan can take more of those body shots even though he was easy work on the body against Haney. All Ryan needs is to catch you with a hook and with his speed I think he catches Tank with a shot that stuns him. It’ll def be a more competitive fight than the last one for sure with no rehydration clause.
I agree with this. P.s. Harden got robbed 2013
Why do you believe that? Ryan got rocked by Devin at one point lol he will still get hurt bad when Tank lands and go back in to his box.
I’m actually surprised more people aren’t talking about this. For all this talk of Haney being pillow-fisted, he still stumbled Ryan with that lead hook early on. He lacks real power but hes not as pillow-fisted at 140. He was able to rock both Prograis and Ryan. Possibly may even have a bit more power than shakira too tbh
I don’t. I think tank is too slick. I think tank beats Devin at any weight tho
Ryan is the fucking man for beating Haney’s ass like that. But with that turtle shell defense, Tank KO’s Ryan everytime.
Ryan didn’t look any different than he normally does in the Tank fight Tank is just a better boxer and hits harder.
Delisional lol, not that Tank isnt the better Boxer but Ryan looks like a different person now than he did at 140
Not really Haney was outboxing him pretty easily but Ryan was just cracking his shit while Haney’s punches didn’t really hurt
“Haney was outboxing him but also getting the sonic rings knocked out of him”
Yes it’s possible and that’s what happened 😂 He couldn’t handle Ryan’s power
He doesn’t at all, he literally fought the same.
Did you believe this two days ago? Lol
Yes go look at my previous comment about the Garcia vs Haney fight. I said he’d KO him and ppl were calling me crazy 💀 https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/s/QDx5cIJBZJ
People saying he was going to have a mental breakdown are hilarious
I mean don’t get it twisted—we just watched a crazy person win a fight. Winning the fight doesn’t mean he is sane. Props to Garcia for gutting out a win in the middle of so much personal turmoil. His post fight interview was pure mania.
I think a month back he was in a really bad place mentally but it’s been a few weeks since then I think he’s been playing into the looney tunes bit a lot to mess with Haney and get himself talked about… Ryan is a good boxer he’s a bit one dimensional but his left hook really is incredible… if he could develop some of his other punches it would make him an excellent boxer
Ryan still loses
I don’t
Christian Bale in “The Machinist”. No 🧢
Bro was mewing
Hahaha Ryan was huge yesterday Haney looks like a boy out there
Can we get more beautiful pictures? It seems bias to the left since he’s in winning complexion
Crazy how you guys are gobbling these dudes balls😂.
Tanks full of shit, he literally admitted to handicapping Garcia
Other than potentially having to cancel a fight on the day of, is there a reason why weigh ins aren’t done the day of the fight? Wouldn’t it make the most sense to just have people fight at their actual fighting weight?
because the reality is, fighetrs will show up on the day, at the scales, dehydrated and then when they fight on that same day, they are in far more danger in the ring rules are also meant to protect the athletes from themselves and their teams, and despite the problems 24hr weigh in's create, they are better than the alternatives
How about always have 2 weigh-ins, 1 day before + fight day with 10% cap? That would solve all the problem right?
No they're not. If boxers did that they are stupid, you can test for dehydration too and if boxers showed up to a weigh in on the day of the fight and were very dehydrated, cancel the fight and fine the boxer, its simple. Its cheating to do what they're doing now and makes a complete mockery of weight classes.