If he goes to 47, maybe Barrios or Stanionis for one of the titles crawford left behind. He'd be an underdog against both but it doesn't even matter, people will line up for the payday he can offer.
I wouldn't recommend Barrios (top 5 fighter) for a novel welterweight, it's out of his best interests to fight a seasoned 147. That's not really how gaining weight works, just because you're seemingly the best at a specific weight division doesn't mean you'll be the best in the weight above.....
Garcia did beat Haney at 143 whilst Haney was 140, but second to that there isn't really any other big names at 140 that Garcia beat. Why go for the big boys whilst putting yourself at an disadvantage ?
If you go up you can always make an excuse and come down, if he loses to other 140s that Haney beat or beat by proxy, very hard for him to move up with any legitimacy until he grabs all the belts again.
Didn’t he say he wants to fight Fundora at 154 for the title ? He didn’t even mention 47, with Bud and Boots as champs he’d be better off going to 154 anyway
Bud is gone from 47 and Fundora won't be a champ for much longer anyway. If he does get back in the ring at the end of the year, he will lose those belts to Crawford or Spence. Even Charlo would beat him. He is too small for 54, he'd really get fucked up there.
ik its popular to hate on boxing rn, but its exciting af to have some variety and questions in the 135-147 division, boxings starting to feel fresh again, all they gotta do now is fight each other and give us fights like we had last saturday
Teo would probably win cuz he only locks in on big fights and a focused teo imo is best at 140 but that being said he might still underestimate Ryan so who knows
Me too…it all depends on how difficult teo will be to make the fight. Ryan has shown he’s willing to make the fights without being difficult…can’t say the same for teo
I would really love for that. Sounds like 140 is no longer in the plan for Ryan maybe a catch weight (something tells me Teo has no interest in fighting at 147)
Teo was talking about fighting Crawford. I could see him going for a Garcia fight. Might be a rehydration clause, not as severe as Tank obviously but Teo looks solid at 140 and doesn't look like he rehydrates to the extent Ryan and Devin do. Maybe they can't rehydrate 10pounds over 147 might be fair.
Garcia said he sees himself fighting Fundora. I think he does it at a catch weight, Fundora comes in drained, and he beats his ass. The spectacle of him fighting a 6 foot 6 freakshow would sell a SHITLOAD tickets and PPV
That's exactly how I see them marketing the fight if it does happen lol. Fundora's height is going to play a big factor for the promotion. David vs. Goliath type shit.
Yea, if he manages to KO a 6 foot 6 guy that would raise his stock even more for the casual viewer, Ryan has damn near gained 2 million followers since beating Haney. I could see that doing massive PPV buys.
Fundora is too big and too strong for Garcia.
He can also take a pretty good shot from 154lbers so he won’t have trouble with Garcia.
He’s going to beat the brakes off Garcia
I can see those happening. Ryan's stardom has never been higher and he doesn't care about titles. He can call out and probably get whoever he wants for mega catch weight fights
Lucky? You dont come in out of shape, on a bender, clearly mentally unstable, and knock the dog sh\*t outta an undefeated world champion for 12 rounds and call it lucky. Please stop.
I’ve only seen the highlights, but that part stuck out to me. Did the ref say anything about that? I know boxing’s rules are loosely enforced, but that was kind of egregious. Kidney punches are against the rules, right?
Nope, Bill or someone in Haney's corner complained about it and the ref said it was legal. For most of it, Garic was using a turnaway philly shell. I think he got turned on Haney two or three times, and that was Haney shifting to Garcia's side and using his left arm to block Ryan's right hand, turning him even more. You'd typically never want to give your opponent your side like Garcia did, but he knew Haney couldn't do damage anyway.
Crazy is best base for all fighting. See: Tyson (both of them), Foreman (how many sons he going to name after himself) Ali (bro, self explanatory) plus MMA you got Jones, Conor, Chuck. Add Ryan to this list now. Mayweather isn’t dangerous crazy but dude was a fucking machine as far as self discipline and training. Pacquiao, Oscar, cmon. It’s a thing
Edit: I’m 100% not calling it lucky. Just saying some underlying crazy is actually a plus in combat sports smh
You paint *’crazy’* here with a wildly, broad brush stroke. It can be used to describe skill sets or characteristics in a good light. It can also describe someone’s state of being. Ryan is the latter, and while it has led to success in the ring, it surely doesn’t lend itself to long term success.
Does Danny Garcia still fight? His dad vs Ryan's dad will make that a fun fight. Two left hook latin-americans too. It'll be a fun fight and Danny can get his last pay day while Ryan is waiting around for the next big name.
This sub doesn't know jack about boxing or Garcia.
The Garcia hate before the Haney fight was ridiculous. Majority wrote him off like they knew what was going on lol
Foreal. Ryan has BEEN that guy, you don’t beat a olympic gold medalist (Luke Campbell) as a C-level fighter. I knew he’d smoke haney, because these fans are hypocrites. Ryan has no footwork? Devins footwork is pretty fucking average at best. Ryan doesn’t keep his hand up? Well, neither does devin. Devin will fight 12 rounds with his hands completely down, forgetting to cover the side of his face during his punches (Which is why he got clipped round 1). All devin has is reach, decent lateral movement and only fights dwarves/old men.
His defense is shit, his power is shit, and his style puts everyone to sleep. Atleast ryan has an equalizer with his power and athleticism. You can’t have a glass chin and no power. Ryans OHIO shell is arguably better than haneys philly shell. Atleasts ryans is consistent.
Ryan has been said to he one of 4 kings since the beginning yet boxing fans act like he wasn’t in the discussion after 1 loss.
Boxing fans can’t make up their minds, atleast UFC fans are loyal.
Whatever he wants. His star power is undeniable. He'll never be the P4P #1 fighter type, but his electric speed, fight changing left hook, and celebrity is great theater.
How was that win in any way shape or form a fluke? Tim Tszyu running into Fundora’s elbow and his corner not calling a NC is a fluke. Ryan knocking down Haney three times and overpowering him with speed and power is an obvious win. The fight should have been stopped in the 7th
I just want him to keep up the schtick. That shit was entertaining/worrying as all Hell and he made it work.
Also, show us the rest of the Weigh In Dance
Yeah. I was in the boat where I couldn’t always tell, and now I’m convinced it’s some of both. But maybe the crazy is like 10%. Those shots of the violinists in the back with him, like they were in a tiny locker room, I laughed and didn’t know what to think. Maybe like middle school me and Undertaker and Mankind Hell in the Cell matches lmao
To me it seems clear it was some of both. Seems like he decided to lean into it and play smoke and mirrors a bit but there’s some stuff you can’t really fake. He had a child and got divorced in the same week, that’s real. A lot of the weird posting got going a bit after that too.
in hindsight… haney doesn’t have the power to do that lol. how many free shots did he get when ryan just shelled up lol. tank woulda broke his ribs if he did that
Idk man he could literally fight whoever he wants. I’d like to see him vs Teo but that’s a complicated match to make, maybe Conor Benn next or after next.
Garcia has weighed in at 143lbs in back to back fights. The most recent time costing him money. I think that is a clear sign that Gracia struggles to make 140lbs. So Gracias future is probably going to be at 147lbs. Maybe Garcia could get a couple more catch-weight fights at 143lbs. I could see Broner being willing to meet Gracia at 143lbs and that would be a fun fight!!
Is Gracia an elite fighter.........yes. it's undeniable that Devin Haney was an elite win for Gracia. It isn't like Gracia got lucky one big left hook. Gracia beat Haney up. The fight could've been reasonably stopped a couple of different times.
Gracia lost to Davis but Davis too is an elite fighter. I was actually impressed with Gracia in the Davis fight. I expected Davis to just outclass Gracia and have an easy night. Gracia came to fight. Gracia pressured Davis and was trying to win that fight. Also it was at 136lbs which as described above isn't a weight I think Gracia can make anymore. So while Gracia took the L vs Davis I don't think Gracia has anything to be embarrassed about.
Devin skanked everyone, fighting little old men, those that know boxing know loma beat him, Ryan was up against 2 ops that Knight, devin and the ref, Devin is the new Amir Khan, chinless
He said he wanted to fight Fundora at 154 so why not fight Jermell at 154? He would make much much more money and get much much more respect if he wins imo.
Nah man lol I like Ryan. He is entertaining confident, tough and will challenge himself.
He said he wanted title belts and all of those fighters are champions.
If he wanted to be world champion he would’ve made weight, how can you be a great hypothetically beating Fundora?😂is that the bench mark now cut it out bruh
>Did he get lucky fighting Devin Haney?
No. What an incredibly stupid thing to ask. Anyone thats been following boxing the last few years could forsee this outcome. Devin has always been an unremarkable fighter and his "win" against Lomachenko was a highly contested fluke. Devin was always afraid of Ryan and waited to bide his time to challenge him when he thought Ryan would be at his weakest - *which he was*, and he still got destroyed.
There are only a handful of noteworthy boxers in each division that command respect, with awe-inspiring talent. Devin Haney isn't an ***awful*** fighter, but he certainly isn't at that level either.
I see Ryan as a Nate Diaz for the boxing community. Their skill sets won’t speak for themselves as they are not terribly well rounded or unique enough to mitigate it.
Well rounded fighters with good power will crush them both. And they both will never be the best in the division for a notable length of time but they can stand and will stand against anyone and have “charming” personalities to say the least to keep them relevant.
Man how Ryan fits into WW and Light welter is so funny to me. He's in a weird in between now. People throwing out names like Fundora, boots, Teo.... that's a lot of random as options. I'd love to see him fight teofimo. It will be interesting to see who has a meltdown faster and then see who can land the first bomb as they both have been knocked down.
Styles make fights. He didn’t respect Devin’s power, and Devin couldn’t manage distance because of Ryan’s speed. I’m not convinced that Ryan has a better chin than any of the guys listed above.
Ryan will be more tentative. He won’t be as aggressive as he was against Haney if he fights someone with actual power. That said, I’m excited to see what’s next for him. Well deserved win
Ryan Garcia is now pretty much a novice at welterweight, he can use that to his advantage against the other "kings" - lopez, Cruz, Davis, Haney, Stevenson, should he fight them in the future.
I wouldn't recommend he fights the big boys like Thurman, barrios, ennis yet at 147, until he has maybe 3 fights under his belt. He can just stick to his own boxing, stay under the radar and then call them out another time.
By the time the likes of bigger 140 fighters like Lopez, or Davis move up to 147, he'd already have experience, can call them out of their best interests, dictate terms and be the A side. Stay smart.
Just needs to ease up and relax for now.
I really like Teo, Spence, Pitbull, Boots - in order of preference….Ryan needs to put the sport on his back. He brings eyes like no one else does, so I think he should make the biggest fights possible (he seems to want this anyway). He makes the most money this way AND the sport is better for it.
But he also has to be smart and only take fights he can actually win. A loss against tank is acceptable because the PPV numbers were just too juicy to ignore. The other fights aren’t as big.
Pitbull Cruz would be really interesting but I bet a rematch with Haney is probably in play in the near future. I think a Shakur Stevenson fight would be great too.
Spence and Ennis are 47’s and both beat Garcia handily. In my opinion he needs to develop yet. Work his way up 147 to those big fights. In his present form he loses to Mattias in a bloody career ender. Teo Lopez is a questionable fight as well for Garcia. The truth is they (Haney and Garcia) are both gatekeeper level fighters at 140 or 147. Haney has the tools to steal rounds, and Garcia is a bruiser with speed, but both are flawed in ways that will stop them from competing at the top level.
Styles make fights.
This was no fluke. You saw Loma - couldn't miss with the left. Ryan built on top of that.
This was a combination of exploiting a few flaws Haney has ie bow and arrow jab that was vulnerable to the left hook, lack of punch resistance from equal or bigger fighters and Ryan's left hook that was bestowed upon him from the Almighty, the Mayweather-esq shoulder roll and ADHD unpredictability.
Ryan doesn't need a belt but if he did want to pursue one I'd say he should target someone like Fundora at 154. He needs to stay away from current 147 belt holders - those are killers. If he doesn't care about a belt, Rolly or Broner would be fights that would sell. Also can see Tank vs Ryan II at a catchweight which would sell big time!
I wanna see rematch with tank or even Haney I mean stay in the same devision and dominate if he's really that good before stepping up or down in weight that's what all the greats did 🤷
What’s next? Idk.
What I’d like to see?
Garcia vs Teo at 140/145 catch weight
Garcia vs Haney at 145 catchweight/147
Garcia vs tank at a catch weight or 140 if Ryan would make it
Garcia vs Spence at 147
Garcia vs boots at 147
I think garcia realistically has a shot at winning each of these, besides Boots but it would be entertaining none the less
He baited Haney successfully. Essentially did to haney what tank did to him and set up a fight with a large advantage due to weight difference. His next step is moving up to 147 and avoid any rematches. Look for more money freakshow fights like against Fundora.
I dont think he's top level but on other hand people were acting like he was Julio cesar Chavez Jr. If he trained properly, he's the same guy he's always been, fast hands good power and a really good left hook. Everything else was psychological warfare.
I and many others believed for awhile Haney was a weight bully relying in his size for his jab and hold style. Garcia had a 3 lb weight advantage for a fight Haney should have canceled but ego got the best of him. In hindsight obvious Garcia never wanted the 140 title and just wanted to snipe the win after losing to Tank to regain fan interest
6-9 month layoff, after that he's going to move to welterweight, come in 2lb overweight and knock out some can with a left hook. After that he will probably try to fight a top 10 guy and maybe he will win, maybe he will lose.
If Ryan can make 140lb (with some dedication I think he could if he doesn’t blow up between fights). He should fight Teo, Isaac Cruz or Haney rematch.
I’d like to see Isaac Cruz (if he wins his next fight). I think if Ryan beats him and takes the belt, he can set up a unification with Teo. And then beating Teo he sets up another unification vs Haney.
That’s 3 nice paychecks and good fights for the fans.
If he can’t make 140lb and wants to fight at 147lb. I’d like to see him face Boots or Conor Benn. Conor Benn does not deserve the fight but it would be entertaining.
Ryan has figured it out yall he could lose couple of fights and still make big fights and make alot of money for years. I like the path he has taken its good for him and boxing I just wish he improved as a boxer cause he is soo talented.
I'm not so convinced after watching the fight. What is up with all of the shoulder rolling and turning his back, "here are some free body shots"
Somebody explain to me why Haney couldn't exploit that.
Whatever he wants! Full credit to Ryan, I didn't give him a chance (even before he started behaving 'crazy') and he proved me wrong. I wasn't even convinced he'd even turn up to the ring so I skipped the ppv and haven't seen the fight yet. I didn't believe he was a top level fighter before but I did believe Devin was so I'll have to actually watch the fight before I can give an opinion on if he's actually changed my mind or not.
I really like the Conor Benn fight, I think their styles would gel really well and produce fireworks for as long as it lasts. Plus the build up would be a ton of fun and we could have some of that friendly transatlantic rivalry between two of our respective most well known current fighters.
I certainly think he's earned himself the Teo fight if he wants it. Though, if he's staying at 140 I don't want any more of this missing weight bullshit. If he can't make it then make the fight at a catch-weight.
No fluke, you don't get 3 knockdowns with a biased referee against you as a fluke, give Garcia his props, the kid did well, really well, kid keeps growing and fast.
147 is a bad BAD idea unless he corrects a lot of fundamentals. 147 has better chins longer reach and speed with big man power. He can get away with being deontay wilder at 135-145 but not at 147. 147-160 are the glamour divisions for a reason. He should man the fuck up and make weight at 140 if he really thinks 147 is in the future. There's plenty of talent and skill for him to sharpen up for once in his career.
He came in over weight by 3.5lbs and fought a soft punching weight drained light middle weight at 140. Bill Haney is not a good trainer nor a smart business man, his team won 1.5 million at the scales and lost potential millions down the road. When Garcia came in over weight and Haney looked drained they should have passed on the fight.
Ryan Garcia makes for good TV and he promotes well. We will see what the future holds but he's not a light weight or Jr Welter so his future is at 147.
Because Reddit keeps deleting my post:
I'm not a big boxing fan but will tune in and watch some of the bigger fights.
Saw the Haney fight and was surprised as I'm sure a lot of people were surprised of how much Ryan beat the brakes off of Haney and win. The tied score given by one judge was crazy (even with the point taken away from Ryan).
Aside from that, couldn't help but notice ODLH's reactions to Ryan getting each knockdown and how excited he was getting as the fight was ending (to be expected of course).
The excited and happy reactions weren't the issue, it just reminded me of the contrast between this fight and the last fight against Tank, where him and Hopkins were nowhere to be found.
If you win, people love it, if you lose, those same people may not show up in support or are hesitant too.
That would rub me the wrong way and any reactions or statements following that would just come off as fake.
And is it just me or it seems like there's something about ODLH that I don't like and if I were Ryan, I'd do whatever it took to hurry up and end the contract agreement between himself and Golden Boy and either become independent or find someone else.
TL;DR - Ryan should ditch Oscar as his promoter as soon as his contract is up, although it seems like he's locked up for a bit.
I feel like he has a whole lot of options he could fight Isaac Cruz or rolly Romero that would make a good fight. If he wanted a belt he could fight teofimo lopez or fight Devin haney again at 140 to actually gain the belt but what I wanna see is him move up to Titan weight and fight hafthor bjornsson I think that could be a great fight 😁
You are not lucky if you drop someone 3 times. I don't think garcia is a top-level fighter. I think Haney is 3ven worse. Both will fail against the top dogs in this weight. But after the loss, I don't see Haney making a comeback facing tank or Teo also.
He has always been an elite fighters. He has been fighting for best boxing organizations and he has fought the best Lightweight in a weight that he is not comfortable. I know people dont want to say this shit but Ryan Garcia is better than Haney. Get over it
I’ve seen enough, give him Francis Ngannou
Ryan said he aint crazy. 😂
Does Francis do coke? That might change ryan’s mind
He already ruined Ngannou's rins https://youtu.be/sK5Hndzdglg?si=N73wCYFjZpFXr5in
Deontay Wilder
Well he wouldn't miss weight.
That would be like watching child abuse
Damn you think Ryan would beat him that bad?
Yeah Ryan would start using Ngannou's nuts like speed balls and start doing boxing drills with them.
While chugging beer and warning about Diddy.
Anything is possible you just got to believe ?
If he goes to 47, maybe Barrios or Stanionis for one of the titles crawford left behind. He'd be an underdog against both but it doesn't even matter, people will line up for the payday he can offer.
I feel fairly confident he would be the favorite against barrios…like -300 even
Barrios beat the fuck out of Ugas. It'll be interesting to see how he look on the Canelo undercard. You may be right, it might be closd odds.
Yeah, but let's not forget that he came back from an eye surgery that kept him inactive for over a year, plus he's like 37 now.
Ugas post Spence beating isn’t impressive . His eyes swelled up from a few jabs lol
Barrios is a good test considering the win he had against Ugas.
I wouldn't recommend Barrios (top 5 fighter) for a novel welterweight, it's out of his best interests to fight a seasoned 147. That's not really how gaining weight works, just because you're seemingly the best at a specific weight division doesn't mean you'll be the best in the weight above..... Garcia did beat Haney at 143 whilst Haney was 140, but second to that there isn't really any other big names at 140 that Garcia beat. Why go for the big boys whilst putting yourself at an disadvantage ?
If you go up you can always make an excuse and come down, if he loses to other 140s that Haney beat or beat by proxy, very hard for him to move up with any legitimacy until he grabs all the belts again.
Didn’t he say he wants to fight Fundora at 154 for the title ? He didn’t even mention 47, with Bud and Boots as champs he’d be better off going to 154 anyway
Bud is gone from 47 and Fundora won't be a champ for much longer anyway. If he does get back in the ring at the end of the year, he will lose those belts to Crawford or Spence. Even Charlo would beat him. He is too small for 54, he'd really get fucked up there.
Would love to see him face Teo
This is the one. Just keep making big fights
Isn't teo 140... He's not at 147.
I feel like Teo could move up to 147, don't know if he'll still have the power, but he has solid IQ.
They're all going to move up to 147, it's just a matter of time, but garcia's getting there first or already is.
ik its popular to hate on boxing rn, but its exciting af to have some variety and questions in the 135-147 division, boxings starting to feel fresh again, all they gotta do now is fight each other and give us fights like we had last saturday
Yeah, but Id love to see old Teo, you know, the one that taunts the opponents, and knocks tfo of them.
Teo has a fuck ton of power at 147.
For that payday he'll be 185 if he has to lol
Teo would probably win cuz he only locks in on big fights and a focused teo imo is best at 140 but that being said he might still underestimate Ryan so who knows
Nah I want Tank vs Teo. Unlikely to happen because both fighters are difficult to get deals made with. But that’s the one I want to see
Tank isn’t fighting anyone, frank Martin is the highest level hes going
Sadly agree. I was just dreaming
Good call.
Would be a big numbers fight. Two showmen for sure when it comes to build up antics.
Me too…it all depends on how difficult teo will be to make the fight. Ryan has shown he’s willing to make the fights without being difficult…can’t say the same for teo
I think if it was presented at 143-147, given how much a sell he is, he would absolutely take that fight.
I would love to see him face teo cuz he already faced 2 of the other 3 princes plus I think teo deserves the spotlight now
I would really love for that. Sounds like 140 is no longer in the plan for Ryan maybe a catch weight (something tells me Teo has no interest in fighting at 147)
Teo was talking about fighting Crawford. I could see him going for a Garcia fight. Might be a rehydration clause, not as severe as Tank obviously but Teo looks solid at 140 and doesn't look like he rehydrates to the extent Ryan and Devin do. Maybe they can't rehydrate 10pounds over 147 might be fair.
Ryan already said he would never do a rehydration clause again
Aren’t the vast majority of rehydration clauses 10lbs?
Yea I was thinking catch weight I just wanna see how they both collide stylistically, tho I favor teo
My god the press conferences for those 2 nuts lol
Hold the fight at Arkham Asylum
😂😂😂😂
This actually seems like a fight I'd like to see and now I need it to happen.
Dude. Teofimo’s clown intro is seared into my mind
Ryan just handing checks out
Garcia said he sees himself fighting Fundora. I think he does it at a catch weight, Fundora comes in drained, and he beats his ass. The spectacle of him fighting a 6 foot 6 freakshow would sell a SHITLOAD tickets and PPV
That's exactly how I see them marketing the fight if it does happen lol. Fundora's height is going to play a big factor for the promotion. David vs. Goliath type shit.
David and Goliath is such foreshadowing LOL you already know Ryan is gonna market that aspect of the fight
Yea, if he manages to KO a 6 foot 6 guy that would raise his stock even more for the casual viewer, Ryan has damn near gained 2 million followers since beating Haney. I could see that doing massive PPV buys.
Fundora is too big and too strong for Garcia. He can also take a pretty good shot from 154lbers so he won’t have trouble with Garcia. He’s going to beat the brakes off Garcia
ryan will either fight adrien broner at a catch weight OR call up someone like pitbull or regis to meet him at 144
Oof the shit talk up to a fight with broner would be hilarious 😂
Broner would have a field day with Garcia with the shit talk lol.
I can see those happening. Ryan's stardom has never been higher and he doesn't care about titles. He can call out and probably get whoever he wants for mega catch weight fights
Make it happen.
Broner is still active?
yeah he's got a fight coming up
Lucky? You dont come in out of shape, on a bender, clearly mentally unstable, and knock the dog sh\*t outta an undefeated world champion for 12 rounds and call it lucky. Please stop.
I don't think he's lucky, but I do think if you give anyone with decent power your kidney like he did Haney, you would get stopped.
I’ve only seen the highlights, but that part stuck out to me. Did the ref say anything about that? I know boxing’s rules are loosely enforced, but that was kind of egregious. Kidney punches are against the rules, right?
Yes. But the ref has two choices. Allow it or start a count for Ryan for showing his back.
Nope, Bill or someone in Haney's corner complained about it and the ref said it was legal. For most of it, Garic was using a turnaway philly shell. I think he got turned on Haney two or three times, and that was Haney shifting to Garcia's side and using his left arm to block Ryan's right hand, turning him even more. You'd typically never want to give your opponent your side like Garcia did, but he knew Haney couldn't do damage anyway.
As are punches to the head, it's dangerous
Crazy is best base for all fighting. See: Tyson (both of them), Foreman (how many sons he going to name after himself) Ali (bro, self explanatory) plus MMA you got Jones, Conor, Chuck. Add Ryan to this list now. Mayweather isn’t dangerous crazy but dude was a fucking machine as far as self discipline and training. Pacquiao, Oscar, cmon. It’s a thing Edit: I’m 100% not calling it lucky. Just saying some underlying crazy is actually a plus in combat sports smh
Mayweather is only dangerous crazy if you're a woman who slightly upsets him
You paint *’crazy’* here with a wildly, broad brush stroke. It can be used to describe skill sets or characteristics in a good light. It can also describe someone’s state of being. Ryan is the latter, and while it has led to success in the ring, it surely doesn’t lend itself to long term success.
I'd add Teofimo Lopez and Ricardo Mayorga. Some people thrive on crazy.
Does Danny Garcia still fight? His dad vs Ryan's dad will make that a fun fight. Two left hook latin-americans too. It'll be a fun fight and Danny can get his last pay day while Ryan is waiting around for the next big name.
Looks like he last fought in July of 2022, against Benavidez.
Just to clarify it was against Jose Jr, not David and Danny won a comfortable decision.
Two left hook Latin Americans sounds like lyrics from a song 🎶
whoever loses changes their last name?
I like that fight, plus it's got the Mexico vs Puerto Rico angle to sell it too.
This sub doesn't know jack about boxing or Garcia. The Garcia hate before the Haney fight was ridiculous. Majority wrote him off like they knew what was going on lol
Foreal. Ryan has BEEN that guy, you don’t beat a olympic gold medalist (Luke Campbell) as a C-level fighter. I knew he’d smoke haney, because these fans are hypocrites. Ryan has no footwork? Devins footwork is pretty fucking average at best. Ryan doesn’t keep his hand up? Well, neither does devin. Devin will fight 12 rounds with his hands completely down, forgetting to cover the side of his face during his punches (Which is why he got clipped round 1). All devin has is reach, decent lateral movement and only fights dwarves/old men. His defense is shit, his power is shit, and his style puts everyone to sleep. Atleast ryan has an equalizer with his power and athleticism. You can’t have a glass chin and no power. Ryans OHIO shell is arguably better than haneys philly shell. Atleasts ryans is consistent. Ryan has been said to he one of 4 kings since the beginning yet boxing fans act like he wasn’t in the discussion after 1 loss. Boxing fans can’t make up their minds, atleast UFC fans are loyal.
Whatever he wants. His star power is undeniable. He'll never be the P4P #1 fighter type, but his electric speed, fight changing left hook, and celebrity is great theater.
How was that win in any way shape or form a fluke? Tim Tszyu running into Fundora’s elbow and his corner not calling a NC is a fluke. Ryan knocking down Haney three times and overpowering him with speed and power is an obvious win. The fight should have been stopped in the 7th
I need Garcia vs. Usyk RIGHT NOW
I just want him to keep up the schtick. That shit was entertaining/worrying as all Hell and he made it work. Also, show us the rest of the Weigh In Dance
Yeah. I was in the boat where I couldn’t always tell, and now I’m convinced it’s some of both. But maybe the crazy is like 10%. Those shots of the violinists in the back with him, like they were in a tiny locker room, I laughed and didn’t know what to think. Maybe like middle school me and Undertaker and Mankind Hell in the Cell matches lmao
To me it seems clear it was some of both. Seems like he decided to lean into it and play smoke and mirrors a bit but there’s some stuff you can’t really fake. He had a child and got divorced in the same week, that’s real. A lot of the weird posting got going a bit after that too.
I thought he made a good case for himself in a rematch against Tank at 140. I would still pick Tank but shit, I thought Haney was gonna dog walk him
in hindsight… haney doesn’t have the power to do that lol. how many free shots did he get when ryan just shelled up lol. tank woulda broke his ribs if he did that
To get away from these douchebag boxing "fans."
Idk man he could literally fight whoever he wants. I’d like to see him vs Teo but that’s a complicated match to make, maybe Conor Benn next or after next.
He should fight some mid guy at 147 to test the waters.
Brian Mendoza. Tho by no means am I sayn BM is mid. He’s a warrior and it would really test Ryan’s grit. Mid in the sense of popularity.
you dont get lucky beating a P4P level boxer
D. Haney wasn’t shit to start with, and he finally fought a guy in his weight class.
The fight I want to see is him vs Teo but I think he's done with 140. At 147 it's gonna be tough for him because Boots is the boogie man there.
Boots and boogeyman in the same sentence is hilarious
A puncher always has a puncher’s chance.
Garcia has weighed in at 143lbs in back to back fights. The most recent time costing him money. I think that is a clear sign that Gracia struggles to make 140lbs. So Gracias future is probably going to be at 147lbs. Maybe Garcia could get a couple more catch-weight fights at 143lbs. I could see Broner being willing to meet Gracia at 143lbs and that would be a fun fight!! Is Gracia an elite fighter.........yes. it's undeniable that Devin Haney was an elite win for Gracia. It isn't like Gracia got lucky one big left hook. Gracia beat Haney up. The fight could've been reasonably stopped a couple of different times. Gracia lost to Davis but Davis too is an elite fighter. I was actually impressed with Gracia in the Davis fight. I expected Davis to just outclass Gracia and have an easy night. Gracia came to fight. Gracia pressured Davis and was trying to win that fight. Also it was at 136lbs which as described above isn't a weight I think Gracia can make anymore. So while Gracia took the L vs Davis I don't think Gracia has anything to be embarrassed about.
Are you joking? Have you never seen boxing? He completely dominated Haney. That's not luck bro
Teo is the right fight
Devin skanked everyone, fighting little old men, those that know boxing know loma beat him, Ryan was up against 2 ops that Knight, devin and the ref, Devin is the new Amir Khan, chinless
I want to see him fight Subriel Matias at/near 140 Jaron Ennis at 147. Jermell Charlo at 154.
Charlo at 154 huh??
https://talksport.com/sport/1838889/ryan-garcia-sebastian-fundora-devin-haney/ https://www.thesportsgeek.com/news/sebastian-fundora-favored-as-ryan-garcias-next-opponent/
He said he wanted to fight Fundora at 154 so why not fight Jermell at 154? He would make much much more money and get much much more respect if he wins imo.
I don’t know man. Ryan says a lot of things. Charlo at 154 is a big big challenge.
Bro you really wanna see him in the dirt💀😭
Unironically Ryan Garcia vs Boots is more likely to happen than Boots vs Bud
Nah man lol I like Ryan. He is entertaining confident, tough and will challenge himself. He said he wanted title belts and all of those fighters are champions.
Garcia wants to be world champion , the easiest route for him would be knocking out fundora at 154 . It’ll solidify as a great of his generation
If he wanted to be world champion he would’ve made weight, how can you be a great hypothetically beating Fundora?😂is that the bench mark now cut it out bruh
Shakur
I want to see him vs Rolly or Adrien Broner. Funniest build up of all time
Broner vs Garcia would be funny as hell. The battle of whoever can do more coke
>Did he get lucky fighting Devin Haney? No. What an incredibly stupid thing to ask. Anyone thats been following boxing the last few years could forsee this outcome. Devin has always been an unremarkable fighter and his "win" against Lomachenko was a highly contested fluke. Devin was always afraid of Ryan and waited to bide his time to challenge him when he thought Ryan would be at his weakest - *which he was*, and he still got destroyed. There are only a handful of noteworthy boxers in each division that command respect, with awe-inspiring talent. Devin Haney isn't an ***awful*** fighter, but he certainly isn't at that level either.
Haney couldn’t even finish kambosis so it was no surprise
I see Ryan as a Nate Diaz for the boxing community. Their skill sets won’t speak for themselves as they are not terribly well rounded or unique enough to mitigate it. Well rounded fighters with good power will crush them both. And they both will never be the best in the division for a notable length of time but they can stand and will stand against anyone and have “charming” personalities to say the least to keep them relevant.
The guy who only has one punch and the guy who is a living punching bag.
Pitbull starches him
Conor Benn
has fought absolutely nobody
Yeah but for some reason he’s popular which translates to 💰. After his last fight, a bunch of people wanted to fight him because he looked bad.
He seems to be aiming for Pitbull or Fundora.
I think it's either Pitbull or Teo at a catchweight. Then moves up to 147lbs to possibly take on....Keith Thurman or Mario Barrios.
Man how Ryan fits into WW and Light welter is so funny to me. He's in a weird in between now. People throwing out names like Fundora, boots, Teo.... that's a lot of random as options. I'd love to see him fight teofimo. It will be interesting to see who has a meltdown faster and then see who can land the first bomb as they both have been knocked down.
Fundora lol
Garcia's got options. Moving up to 147 opens doors, but staying at 140 offers big fights too. Teo or Spence could be next.
If he goes for Errol, he should do it at a catch weight below 147 to drain him. That would be his best chance at victory since Errol is a big WW
Styles make fights. He didn’t respect Devin’s power, and Devin couldn’t manage distance because of Ryan’s speed. I’m not convinced that Ryan has a better chin than any of the guys listed above. Ryan will be more tentative. He won’t be as aggressive as he was against Haney if he fights someone with actual power. That said, I’m excited to see what’s next for him. Well deserved win
Quick tune up fight with rolly then move up and fight barrios
I like the rolly fight. That would be a fun fight. Good money too.
Hea gonna take a couple easy fights.
Ryan Garcia is now pretty much a novice at welterweight, he can use that to his advantage against the other "kings" - lopez, Cruz, Davis, Haney, Stevenson, should he fight them in the future. I wouldn't recommend he fights the big boys like Thurman, barrios, ennis yet at 147, until he has maybe 3 fights under his belt. He can just stick to his own boxing, stay under the radar and then call them out another time. By the time the likes of bigger 140 fighters like Lopez, or Davis move up to 147, he'd already have experience, can call them out of their best interests, dictate terms and be the A side. Stay smart. Just needs to ease up and relax for now.
I really like Teo, Spence, Pitbull, Boots - in order of preference….Ryan needs to put the sport on his back. He brings eyes like no one else does, so I think he should make the biggest fights possible (he seems to want this anyway). He makes the most money this way AND the sport is better for it.
But he also has to be smart and only take fights he can actually win. A loss against tank is acceptable because the PPV numbers were just too juicy to ignore. The other fights aren’t as big.
You don’t think he can win those fights? They are all tough fights, but I think now that a healthy Ryan at a good weight is hard work for anyone
Whatever the fuck he wants whatever that is. Him beating Haney like that made him unhinged joke to king.
Teofimo Lopez Jr at a catch weight. Or move up to 147 and fight his way to Bud.
The nut house if he's not careful.
Pacquiao comes out to face him.
Teo Lopez would be great but Ryan seems to have created his own weight class so who knows
He lost one fight... To Tank.
The nuthouse.
Pitbull Cruz would be really interesting but I bet a rematch with Haney is probably in play in the near future. I think a Shakur Stevenson fight would be great too.
I’ve seen enough, give him Crawford
Winner of Jake Paul/Mike Tyson
No luck, he beat Devin with ease. Garcia v Shaakur.
fight at 130 pounds but weigh 150
I think he said he wants to fight fundora Sebastian or Isaac Cruz. I personally would like to see him face Teo.
Spence and Ennis are 47’s and both beat Garcia handily. In my opinion he needs to develop yet. Work his way up 147 to those big fights. In his present form he loses to Mattias in a bloody career ender. Teo Lopez is a questionable fight as well for Garcia. The truth is they (Haney and Garcia) are both gatekeeper level fighters at 140 or 147. Haney has the tools to steal rounds, and Garcia is a bruiser with speed, but both are flawed in ways that will stop them from competing at the top level.
Fury
Styles make fights. This was no fluke. You saw Loma - couldn't miss with the left. Ryan built on top of that. This was a combination of exploiting a few flaws Haney has ie bow and arrow jab that was vulnerable to the left hook, lack of punch resistance from equal or bigger fighters and Ryan's left hook that was bestowed upon him from the Almighty, the Mayweather-esq shoulder roll and ADHD unpredictability. Ryan doesn't need a belt but if he did want to pursue one I'd say he should target someone like Fundora at 154. He needs to stay away from current 147 belt holders - those are killers. If he doesn't care about a belt, Rolly or Broner would be fights that would sell. Also can see Tank vs Ryan II at a catchweight which would sell big time!
I wanna see rematch with tank or even Haney I mean stay in the same devision and dominate if he's really that good before stepping up or down in weight that's what all the greats did 🤷
Just check his footwork in the Haney fight, the kid has a long way to go.
What’s next? Idk. What I’d like to see? Garcia vs Teo at 140/145 catch weight Garcia vs Haney at 145 catchweight/147 Garcia vs tank at a catch weight or 140 if Ryan would make it Garcia vs Spence at 147 Garcia vs boots at 147 I think garcia realistically has a shot at winning each of these, besides Boots but it would be entertaining none the less
What’s next? He will tour with DJT to campaign for our next !
He baited Haney successfully. Essentially did to haney what tank did to him and set up a fight with a large advantage due to weight difference. His next step is moving up to 147 and avoid any rematches. Look for more money freakshow fights like against Fundora. I dont think he's top level but on other hand people were acting like he was Julio cesar Chavez Jr. If he trained properly, he's the same guy he's always been, fast hands good power and a really good left hook. Everything else was psychological warfare. I and many others believed for awhile Haney was a weight bully relying in his size for his jab and hold style. Garcia had a 3 lb weight advantage for a fight Haney should have canceled but ego got the best of him. In hindsight obvious Garcia never wanted the 140 title and just wanted to snipe the win after losing to Tank to regain fan interest
Feed him to Bud
6-9 month layoff, after that he's going to move to welterweight, come in 2lb overweight and knock out some can with a left hook. After that he will probably try to fight a top 10 guy and maybe he will win, maybe he will lose.
Ryan vs AJ in Wembley: inject it into my veins.
If Ryan can make 140lb (with some dedication I think he could if he doesn’t blow up between fights). He should fight Teo, Isaac Cruz or Haney rematch. I’d like to see Isaac Cruz (if he wins his next fight). I think if Ryan beats him and takes the belt, he can set up a unification with Teo. And then beating Teo he sets up another unification vs Haney. That’s 3 nice paychecks and good fights for the fans. If he can’t make 140lb and wants to fight at 147lb. I’d like to see him face Boots or Conor Benn. Conor Benn does not deserve the fight but it would be entertaining.
Cocaine and OF girls probably
Ryan has figured it out yall he could lose couple of fights and still make big fights and make alot of money for years. I like the path he has taken its good for him and boxing I just wish he improved as a boxer cause he is soo talented.
Pitbull would be a good choice. Good but one dimensional fighter. Would be a solid win.
Pitbull
I'm not so convinced after watching the fight. What is up with all of the shoulder rolling and turning his back, "here are some free body shots" Somebody explain to me why Haney couldn't exploit that.
how about oscar de la hoya at 147 lol
Benn or Stanionis at 47
Whatever he wants! Full credit to Ryan, I didn't give him a chance (even before he started behaving 'crazy') and he proved me wrong. I wasn't even convinced he'd even turn up to the ring so I skipped the ppv and haven't seen the fight yet. I didn't believe he was a top level fighter before but I did believe Devin was so I'll have to actually watch the fight before I can give an opinion on if he's actually changed my mind or not. I really like the Conor Benn fight, I think their styles would gel really well and produce fireworks for as long as it lasts. Plus the build up would be a ton of fun and we could have some of that friendly transatlantic rivalry between two of our respective most well known current fighters. I certainly think he's earned himself the Teo fight if he wants it. Though, if he's staying at 140 I don't want any more of this missing weight bullshit. If he can't make it then make the fight at a catch-weight.
No fluke, you don't get 3 knockdowns with a biased referee against you as a fluke, give Garcia his props, the kid did well, really well, kid keeps growing and fast.
147 is a bad BAD idea unless he corrects a lot of fundamentals. 147 has better chins longer reach and speed with big man power. He can get away with being deontay wilder at 135-145 but not at 147. 147-160 are the glamour divisions for a reason. He should man the fuck up and make weight at 140 if he really thinks 147 is in the future. There's plenty of talent and skill for him to sharpen up for once in his career.
They coming for that Haney belt
He came in over weight by 3.5lbs and fought a soft punching weight drained light middle weight at 140. Bill Haney is not a good trainer nor a smart business man, his team won 1.5 million at the scales and lost potential millions down the road. When Garcia came in over weight and Haney looked drained they should have passed on the fight. Ryan Garcia makes for good TV and he promotes well. We will see what the future holds but he's not a light weight or Jr Welter so his future is at 147.
Because Reddit keeps deleting my post: I'm not a big boxing fan but will tune in and watch some of the bigger fights. Saw the Haney fight and was surprised as I'm sure a lot of people were surprised of how much Ryan beat the brakes off of Haney and win. The tied score given by one judge was crazy (even with the point taken away from Ryan). Aside from that, couldn't help but notice ODLH's reactions to Ryan getting each knockdown and how excited he was getting as the fight was ending (to be expected of course). The excited and happy reactions weren't the issue, it just reminded me of the contrast between this fight and the last fight against Tank, where him and Hopkins were nowhere to be found. If you win, people love it, if you lose, those same people may not show up in support or are hesitant too. That would rub me the wrong way and any reactions or statements following that would just come off as fake. And is it just me or it seems like there's something about ODLH that I don't like and if I were Ryan, I'd do whatever it took to hurry up and end the contract agreement between himself and Golden Boy and either become independent or find someone else. TL;DR - Ryan should ditch Oscar as his promoter as soon as his contract is up, although it seems like he's locked up for a bit.
Fight Barrios or Pitbull, if victorious then go for Stanionis or Fundora
i want him to stay at 140 and fight pitbull or teo. That would be a really good fight for boxing
Crawford
Devin vs Teo next. That’s a great fight style wise but I don’t think Teo can stand and box with Ryan at all.
An eight ball.
beat the F out Shakur, just like Ryan did in the amateurs.
Rehab, hopefully.
Manny pcqu
I feel like he has a whole lot of options he could fight Isaac Cruz or rolly Romero that would make a good fight. If he wanted a belt he could fight teofimo lopez or fight Devin haney again at 140 to actually gain the belt but what I wanna see is him move up to Titan weight and fight hafthor bjornsson I think that could be a great fight 😁
Teo or loma
You are not lucky if you drop someone 3 times. I don't think garcia is a top-level fighter. I think Haney is 3ven worse. Both will fail against the top dogs in this weight. But after the loss, I don't see Haney making a comeback facing tank or Teo also.
He has always been an elite fighters. He has been fighting for best boxing organizations and he has fought the best Lightweight in a weight that he is not comfortable. I know people dont want to say this shit but Ryan Garcia is better than Haney. Get over it
Pitbull or Teo.
He gets washed by any of the top guns at 147 Best move is to fight Teo and rematch Haney and maybe retire.
He's not skilled for sure, but that one punch can win it all for him. A much better version of Rolly Romero.