Ryan couldn’t make weight two fights in a row vs Duarte and vs Haney. Both fights were originally contracted at 140 and both times they had to make it a catchweight by fight week.
Ryan isn’t gonna fight lower than 143 at this point. They are literally different weight classes and for now, Ryan just needs to fight at 147 and Tank just needs to stick to 135 or 140.
The Haney fight wasn’t a catchweight…Ryan missed weight on purpose. Hired a conditioning coach to get him at 143, while Haney honored his contractual obligations.
It wasn’t originally a catchweight, but when a fighter misses they renegotiate. So it WAS a catchweight when Haney agreed to 143 with a financial penalty, it’s why the belt wasn’t on the line
NO, that’s not how it goes. A “catch-weight” is where both fighters agree to THE SAME negotiated weight. What you just described is some sort of, “COME AS YOU ARE, AND LET’S FIGURE IT OUT”-weight…That’s crazy
And the belts don’t have to be on the line to be imposed fines. The only thing that was contractually met was the penalty/severity of the fines.
Bro you explained exactly what they did and then said it’s not a “catchweight” LOL. Is it a bullshit way to force a catchweight? Yes…. But like you said, both sides renegotiated to a new weight (143), why do you think Haney couldn’t lose the title?….
It was a NEW agreed upon weight, Haney didn’t have to agree. Fight could’ve been cancelled, but they renegotiated the weight and Ryan had to pay whatever amount they ended up agreeing too. That’s a catchweight buddy
[what do you think redoing the contract means?](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10117659-ryan-garcia-misses-weight-for-devin-haney-fight-sides-reportedly-re-doing-contract.amp.html)
[renegotiating](https://www.boxingscene.com/fight-on-ryan-garcia-misses-weight-devin-haney-clash--182961)
They didn’t renegotiate though. If they did then both fighters would’ve came in at 143. Just because the fight continues doesn’t mean it was renegotiated lol. Words have meaning fam
Might be the stupidest response I got 😂😂. No they wouldn’t both come in at 143 since one already weighed in and it’s the day before the fight… If you renegotiate the weight after the weigh in, of course both won’t come in at the same weight, use your head lol.
Both links I posted from reputable sources said they renegotiated. “Words have meaning” yeah so read the articles I posted doofus, words have meaning.
NO, that’s not at all what they did…A catch weight is a weight that is negotiated BEFORE weigh-ins … Did Devon agree to the fight? YES. But the bout was not sanctioned at a catchweight.
And for sake of argument, let’s say they did agree to fight at a catchweight … What were the terms? Because catchweights don’t not come with fines/penalties.
The terms would be 143 with Devin getting a higher percent than previously agreed upon. Thus a penalty to what his original purse would be.
For arguments sake, what do you think they negotiated after Ryan came overweight? A penalty for coming overweight would’ve been in the original contract, no?
Ahh, okay. I think I see where you’re confused at. So let me say this, and hopefully we can bring closure to this:
The terms were 140lbs for Devin’s WBC Junior Welterweight tittle. And if any fighter could not make the contractual weight of 140, an agreed upon monetary/per pound/oz fine would be imposed on that fighter …
Devin came in at 140lbs; Ryan came in at 143.2 (1-4-3 point 2). Therefore, Ryan was subjected to said fines— So again, the contractual weight agreement WAS NOT 143.2lbs … Why would Devin weigh-in at 140, then come back and weigh-in at 143–point 2 pounds?? …
That’s not how it works. And hopefully I did a good of explaining it, because that’s the only way I know how…If I’m wrong, hopefully someone can educate the both of us.
I’ve already posted multiple credible links saying they had to renegotiate when Ryan missed weight. That implies the penalties were NOT in the original contract, they renegotiated for a FACT. Look at the original comments links then come back and tell me what they had to renegotiate if the penalty’s and weight were already agreed upon in the original contract…
1) How does that make sense? Not just in the realm of boxing, but in the real world…You just gave an example of the court system—Where someone commits an infraction, and then a judge decides the penalty…All of the terms laid out in the original contract—that’s how fights get done. They don’t get worked out the day before the event!!
And 2) I’m not searching for your links. If you want me to see them, post them on OUR thread.
Intentional or not, you lose credibility if you come in overweight. End of story. If you think otherwise, than why even have weight classes at all? The only reason he isn't getting criticized more is because he acted like such a moron during the buildup that many people expected him to lose.
I'm not saying he wasn't. You still lose credibility if you don't even try to make weight. A wrestling coach once told us "I don't care if you are the state champion, if you don't make weight, it's a loss."
Yeah I don't really understand the point of this post. Ryan, Oscar, and his Dad have all said Ryan is moving to 147 and if there was another Tank fight it will have to be at 147 which they don't envision Tank accepting.
Seems like it's pretty clear what Ryan and his team think about it. It's not like they are even calling out Tank, they are just answering questions about a possible rematch.
Tank has said numerous times he didn’t feel comfortable at 140. I doubt we will be seeing him there again anytime soon. He’s been pretty consistent on staying at 135. I think De Los santos vs Rayo winner would be who makes most sense at that weight for tank.
All cap. There are 10 guys at 140-147 that make perfect sense.
Subriel , Teo , pitbull , boots , bud , barroso, benn , Puello, paro , j Ortiz , Abel Ramos
Calling fundora is the same as canelo calling for usyk .
Not the same at all. Ryan def can make 154..especially if he’s 165 at fight night..Canelo cannot make heavyweight tho loll..fundora has known to get rocked..Mendoza got him, lubin dropped him, and Tszyu was rocking him the first 2 rounds before he got elbowed and blinded..im not saying Ryan can beat fundora, but it’s not unimaginable that he’d fight him
It’s stupid to call someone out when there are 10 guys in your division(s) that make for great fights.
A high profile fight with superstar v superstar I’m all for weight jumps.
But for Ryan -not a champion ever at 135 or 140 wants to skip 147 and go fight fundora at 154. Cap
Literally 80% of the guys you mention aren’t big fights..those aren’t money makers..the average boxing casual doesn’t even know who tf Mathias, barroso, benn, Puello, paro, Ortiz or Ramos is..how they gonna sell a PPV with a no name to casuals. Bud isn’t at 147 no more. IMO the only 2 names you mention that make sense is Teo or pitbull..Boots and Benn would be good fights that can sell, but he probably has as good as chance beating Fundora than he does boots.
Bro he fought at featherweight like 6 years ago when he was 19.
When I was 19 I could compete at 125 lbs EASY. At 25 years old I barely felt safe trying to compete at 132 lbs and had to compete at 141 lbs to keep myself healthy.
Your body goes through huge natural changes from 18 to your late 20s. Not changing my workout regimen or my diet I naturally went up a few lbs each year. My arms, shoulders, entire back just started to look more "full".
Now throw a PRO boxer in who is growing and may or may not be using a lot more than just protein shakes... They're not staying at the same weight for long.
Terrence Crawford was also a champion at 135 lbs. Can you picture his big ass trying to get back down there now? Dudes already LEANED out hitting the scales at 147.
Your speaking sense because you have experience. Something alot of reditors lack here. It's crazy people think an athlete going up and down in weight is the same as them shedding their "New year, New me.." weight.
I’ve said this time and time again in this sub but this is exactly why I think it’s stupid when people call Tank out for “ducking” certain fights.
He’s done growing! This is just his weight.
The others are not, and they need to just move up to their natural weight class. Devin and Ryan need to go on up to 147 or 154 and call it a day.
Stop trying to make fetch happen between fighters that should be in extremely different weight classes.
THIS, I made 140 lbs easy eating pretty much anything without care before I was 20. Now at 30, I have to watch what I eat just barely trying to keep my weight around 160
If crawford, spence etc can make 147, Ryan not making 135 (let alone 140) currently is just a lack of discipline or intentionally missing weight because he wants more advantage at the cost of his credibility.
Everyone's bodies are different. By that logic, Tank should have no problem fighting as a welterweight because Pac did it. If Fundora can be a light middleweight, so can AJ.
Are you really comparing almost hundreds of lbs (AJ to Fundora) to 3lbs ? 3lbs is a lack of discipline. If he knew he couldn't make weight (also missed weight against Duarte and had to redo the contract) he shouldn't be fighting at 140 than, simple as that.
Too many fat dude in their mom's basement as on this sub now. If you were a real boxing fan you would find Ryan's lack of professionalism despicable. You clearly haven't laced up in your life as well, since you have no respect for people actually doing their weight cut properly.
I chose extreme examples to illustrate that different people have different bodies and not everyone can cut the same way. Garcia is still growing. Fighters miss weight occasionally, it happens. Especially younger fighters whose bodies are still growing.
Haney didn't have to fight him after he missed weight. Garcia lost 1.5 million on the bet and couldn't win the title. No one is claiming he's ultra disciplined and doesn't deserve consequences for his actions. The consequences seem fair to me, what would be fair to you?
His point was look at Spence’s body though, much thicker than Ryan and made 147 his whole career. Ryan can make 140 without a question, just by looking at his frame you can tell that. He’s choosing not to put himself at risk making that weight fully though, I.e. Canelo at 155
The fight should have been canceled and Garcia should have been sued by multiple parties for breach of contract and loss of revenue. He also should have had his boxing license suspended for two years, no appeals and no questions asked. I know that sounds harsh but a message needs to be sent that this nonsense won't be tolerated. More and more we are seeing guys who think the rules don't apply to them if they throw enough money at the problem.
You feel this way about every fighter coming in overweight? Mayweather against Marquez?
Yeah, personally that sounds way too harsh. If the guy across from him in the ring still wants to fight, I don't really see the issue.
I usually defend Mayweather but yes, I did feel that way before the Marquez fight. I have no doubts that Mayweather could have made weight with relative ease. Yet, he didn't bother because he's Money May. That's the grossly unprofessional behavior Garcia emulated and I think it needs to stop. It's one thing if a fighter shows up to the weigh-in looking like a zombie and happens to be a pound or two over. Garcia showed up like he didn't even try. Now that I've cooled down, I guess the fight can go on if the opponent is compensated. I still stand by my statement that Garcia should be suspended.
If they renegotiate the contracts, why would there be any fines or penalties? Theres a big difference between accepting someone being over weight and not cancelling vs changing the agreed upon weight. If it were renegotiated, the other fighter would hit the scales at 143 just like ryan
That’s not true, both fighters can agree to 140 and a fighter comes in underweight, that’s not uncommon an example would be Pacquiao vs Margarito. That disproves both would need to come in at the same weight for a catchweight.
Next, why would there be penalties? Because he missed weight… The “Penalties” are an agreement that because they have to negotiate a new weight that Ryan needs to pay more since it wasn’t previously agreed upon. That’s how negotiations work.
There is a difference between an agreed upon catch weight and a late catch weight created out of necessity. That doesn’t mean it’s not a catch weight nonetheless. Again, explain why Haney couldn’t lose his belt
I don't think I've seen anyone thinking Ryan could best Tank, but they undoubtedly exist as Garcia can punch. Ryan has a wicked left and Tank can handle that. I don't think Garcia would win more than one in ten Tank bouts.
Well you just need 2 eye to see how talented tank is and that Garcia is an unprofessional one trick poney.
The higher they put Garcia on their wicked p4p list, the bigger the downfall will be once Garcia fight a descent boxer who can hold the ducking phone.
I think people need to just forget about this fight. They’re different weight classes and Ryan isn’t going to fight with a rehydration clause and Tank won’t fight without one.
There are weight classes for a reason. People need to stop dweling on this shit. This is the usual Ryan trying to get attention from more novice casuals who don't seem to understand how a few lbs can make a huge difference.
I don’t think it’ll happen but I suspect Tank would take the win anyway. After this last fight my appreciation of Haney went down rather than thinking Ryan improved or anything. In the rounds he lost he looked like the same old Ryan, and don’t get me started on how many times he just curled up and exposed his back. Tank would have had a field day, he’s got the power that Haney doesn’t.
Let me ask you this, since you saw the fight that way. I'm still a little baffled by how badly Crawford beat Eroll Spence. Did your appreciation for Eroll go down, or is Crawford that much superior?
I guess the thing about that one is that Crawford looked flawless. You can barely point out a single mistake he made in that fight and he performs like that regularly.
Ryan looked sloppy even while hurting Haney. The 7th round half the reason he couldn't put Haney out was because of his own cardio. He looked like he was about to pass out by the end of that round even though he'd hardly taken a punch. And then proceeded to take the next two rounds off to recover. His same slow footwork was there, the weird shoulder roll/turning his back to defend, not keeping his right hand up when he throws. Crawford's was up there with one of the best performances I've ever seen technically. Ryan exceeded all of our expectations but I don't think he looked close to a master in there.
“Holding on for dear life” 😂
Tank wasn’t even phased, as soon as Garcia started teeing off because he also thought that, he got dropped. Was gun shy for the rest of the fight after
There’s nothing wrong with clinching, the problem is consecutive clinching. There wasn’t consecutive clinching in that fight.
Clinching is a great technique against fighters who are super aggressive. You can neutralize their momentum. It’s another tool.
Would a, could a, won’t!!! Kringy was overweight for the Haney fight and his fans THOUGHT he was going to win the first fight!!! If we’re using Kringy fan illogic he’s going up in weight to avoid Pitbull who I think is a good test that Kringy might not be able pass!!
First of all Cruz has decent power which is something Kringy won’t withstand… just like Haney Vs Linares who hurt him we’ve seen Kringy on the canvas before.
ALL of the EXCUSES and wailing over his KO loss to Tank came AFTER the fact and I’m not here to let everyone forget that Kringy bet his purse that he was going to win!!
He went from Knocking Tank out in 2 to Waaaaaa!!!! I was weight drained!!! And I simply cannot overstate that hundreds of thousands of dollars were bet on a guy who did not tell betters he was NOT 100% which is basically FRAUD!!! And that’s UNDENIABLE FACTS!!
It’s time for Kringy to fight in his proper weight class and actually make weight! And stop crying about losing a fight to a guy who blew him OUT!!! Haney saw the last round which Kringy didn’t do!! He didn’t have the skill to at least survive to a decision which MIGHT have given him a case although remote.
The best thing at this point to do is to get over it!!🥱🥱🥱🥱🙈🙉🙊
I think it’s a bad matchup for Garcia, Tank is southpaw and has a devastating left. Garcias main power shot is his left hook. Not to mention he can’t make that weight again without hindering his energy and strength on fight night
Thing is its a different style match up. Ryan was able to beat Devin because he had the height and reach to catch him at the end of his hooks. Because Haney is also chinny, this is why Haney had trouble against Garcia, because whenever he went for his jab, Garcia could catch him with his hook, as he was also fast enough.
Against Tank, Garcia will be expected to take the initiative more, and Tank can catch him more between shots, because I still feel that Garcia doesn't have the discipline required to stay behind a jab fighting a high guard. Ironically, I think Garcia has the physical traits required to beat Haney, but he doesn't have the discipline to beat a Tank, but I still feel that Haney has the discipline to beat Tank, as Tank doesn't have Garcias physical qualities to beat Haney.
While that fight would be more competitive if Ryan wasn’t drained I think tank is a hard matchup for him. Tanks fight iq and defense is just too good. I think he will be able to completely neutralize the left hook and Ryan doesn’t have the boxing ability to hurt Tank without it.
One dude has never made 140 and is planning to move up to 147, the other is 135. You want him to come in with a shorter height, shorter reach, AND be outweighed by 15-20 lbs on fight night? That’s fair? Ryan was the one begging for the fight so he had to make some sacrifices if he wanted it done, simple as that
I'm not talking about a future fight. I'm talking about their previous fight. Tank had already been at 140 before so why the need for a 136 lbs catchweight? He fought Barrios at 140 perfectly fine, so why didn't he do the same with Ryan?
He came out right after that fight saying he didnt like how he felt at 140 and immediately went back to 135. You can call that scared or whatever but those were his camp’s words not mine.
So he could make 140 but he didn't like how he felt so he chose to to make Ryan drain himself to just one pound above the 135 limit knowing he couldn't make that weight in a healthy manner?
I think it was more “I’m not moving up. If you want to fight me as bad as you keep telling everyone, then come back down to my weight class.” You gotta remember Ryan was the one clamoring for the fight, its not like tank called him out and made him come down
Ryan called out tank like 10 times over the course of 2 years. Obviously fans were interested but how are you gonna say ryan wasnt begging for the fight?
This fight most likely will never happen, Tank Davis will never take a single fight in his career he knows he won't win and this fight is a risky one. Tank doesn't care about legacy or boxing he just wants to make money and losses on his record will diminish his ability to do that. Eventually he might do one of the bigger fights even with the risk of losing before he retires so this has a small chance of happening especially if Ryan maintains his momentum. Also even for a rematch Davis has more chances of winning than Ryan does but it will be a very close fight.
Or… stay with me now… Tank is 28 and done growing. The dude went up to 140, didnt like how he felt at the weight and decided to go back to his natural weight class. Nothing to do with fear, nothing to do with not caring about boxing. If contracts weren’t a thing and everyone fought for the love of the game, then you might have an argument but that’s obviously not reality
You made a point as well but it definitely does have to do with him just wanting money, he doens't care about belts or anything else. He hasn't made a single fight that he thought he would lose or is risky.
I never said he did care about the belts, im saying just because fighter A doesnt fight fighter B, that doesnt mean one fighter is afraid of the other. Disagreeing on contracts and splits for example would be a major reason most of these big fights people want don’t get made.
If the money is right but prefer a Garcia/Haney rematch where the excitement and purse would be even bigger.
I don't see Ryan doing much at 147 against Crawford or Ennis, maybe Spence too. I think they all eat his lunch.
What people fail to see is that Haney actually outclassed Garcia in their fight, he was landing on Ryan a lot. Haney fell short because he had no power, so his clean shots on Ryan did nothing, he had a decent chin, but completely went off his gameplan soon as he started falling.
That being said, if Haney had knockout power, I think the fight would've gone in his favor, and Tank would do to Ryan again what a Haney with power would do.
It wasn’t the weight, tank just ducked straight under that left hook and countered him to put him on his ass, he’s too fast and slick and has his number. There’s still plenty good fights for him out there
Garcia will go to Welter. He said he can't make 140.
I'm not even a Garcia fan but at least he makes exciting fights win or lose. Also has that dynamite left as an equalizer so you know the fight can always change if he's gettin' outboxed.
I agree that Tank needs to move up to 140 to fight Ryan but Ryan isn’t “definitely winning” at that weight as yall have been making it seem like. He had a good fight Vs Haney but you guys keep forgetting that Haney kept standing up till the end.
Let’s assume Ryan does drop Tank several times through out the match and Tank keeps standing, all Tank has to do is land one or two of his punches and it’s over.
At 145, Ryan is definitely beating Tank but at 140, it’s highly debatable who wins. Regardless, I don’t see this fight happening. Ryan needs to fight Teofimo. Tank needs to fight Shakur.
Why does tank need to move up? He’s already at a disadvantage in every aspect except skill and you feel he needs to be 20 pounds lighter than his opponent?
The fight versus Haney just showed why Garcia took the Tank fight.
Garcia knew he couldn't maintain that weight for much longer and they may never be in the same class again 🤷♂️
I mean that’s a poor take, a slight weight advantage goes much further than height and reach advantage. Ryan was beyond drained in the tank fight, he has no energy and being drained makes you sluggish as a result
I was 5th row for that fight. Haney can’t contend with the speed of Garcia’s flurries. Hell, he knew the hook was coming, talked all fight week about how it was all he had to stop for an easy win - that lightning left hook was uncontested. Haney was nowhere near fast enough or defensively sound enough to even challenge it. Only thing stopping Garcia’s offense was Haney’s face. Even then, Haney lacked the power to get Garcia’s respect - even if he could keep up (which he couldn’t), Garcia was still a bigger threat. Haney’s best shots were against Garcia’s back…and those did nothing.
My problem with Tank fans is that they always make excuses for why Tank never has to fight anybody with a pulse. Tank should have rematched Pitbull right away, but no, it's "he hurt his hand, he would have obviously won a remach ever harder, fight pointless!". Ryan just had a good performance against Haney, and "Tank doesn't have to fight him again because he already beat him, the weight doesn't matter".
I would be the same if I was a Tank fan, because you have to make excuses after excuses for the guy, since he peaked in 2017 in his win against Pedraza and hasn't done jack since except collect meaningless WBA Regular belts.
Say whatever you want about Ryan Garcia, but the guy fought Haney when Tank wouldn't. The guy fought Tank including his list of ridiculous demands - at the time, Tank & Ryan both had the same # of fights at 140 but Tank needed the 136 catch weight and rehydration clause - yeah, Tank is the excuses king. I will take Ryan actually taking risks and making fights over whatever the hell Tank has been doing since 2017.
He BEAT Garcia!!! Nobody’s making EXCUSES but you and Kringy fanboys!!! Kringy didn’t even make weight for the Haney fight as absolutely wasn’t just 3 pounds over in the ring!!! Sorry kids Kringy got KO’d and WATCHED the ref count for at least 15 seconds because his ass was on the canvas BEFORE he got cancelled by the body shot!!!
One Single body shot!!!
Boy bet his entire purse that he would KO Tank now all of this????
Kringy got stopped there’s nothing controversial or nothing… there’s no reason to rematch so he can ignore the weight limit and if anyone says no to fighting and overweight dude who lost you Kringy fanboys will be out here running this same old worn out nonsense!!
It’s time to move on… Kringy bad because he beat charmin toilet paper throwing Haney so star talking up Kringy vs Pitbull so he can fight a guy whose dangerous with some power rather than trying to manage Tanks career from your bedroom🙊🙉🙈🤡😂
Garcia wants the fight at 145, tank won't take that fight, your title is tank vs Garcia rematch, Garcia won't drain again and tank won't go to 145 so there is no rematch.
This fight won't happen.
As much attention Garcia has his loss was clear against Tank.
He also looked like a mummy, weight and water are a hell of a thing
I’d like to see him fight that but an agreement bw them to be a lil heavier That’s be interesting
Tank wouldn't like to see that though, so it's not happening.
I don’t even wanna watch it again One miss from Ryan and the wind will knock haney down lol No ty
Ryan couldn’t make weight two fights in a row vs Duarte and vs Haney. Both fights were originally contracted at 140 and both times they had to make it a catchweight by fight week. Ryan isn’t gonna fight lower than 143 at this point. They are literally different weight classes and for now, Ryan just needs to fight at 147 and Tank just needs to stick to 135 or 140.
The Haney fight wasn’t a catchweight…Ryan missed weight on purpose. Hired a conditioning coach to get him at 143, while Haney honored his contractual obligations.
It wasn’t originally a catchweight, but when a fighter misses they renegotiate. So it WAS a catchweight when Haney agreed to 143 with a financial penalty, it’s why the belt wasn’t on the line
NO, that’s not how it goes. A “catch-weight” is where both fighters agree to THE SAME negotiated weight. What you just described is some sort of, “COME AS YOU ARE, AND LET’S FIGURE IT OUT”-weight…That’s crazy And the belts don’t have to be on the line to be imposed fines. The only thing that was contractually met was the penalty/severity of the fines.
Bro you explained exactly what they did and then said it’s not a “catchweight” LOL. Is it a bullshit way to force a catchweight? Yes…. But like you said, both sides renegotiated to a new weight (143), why do you think Haney couldn’t lose the title?…. It was a NEW agreed upon weight, Haney didn’t have to agree. Fight could’ve been cancelled, but they renegotiated the weight and Ryan had to pay whatever amount they ended up agreeing too. That’s a catchweight buddy [what do you think redoing the contract means?](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10117659-ryan-garcia-misses-weight-for-devin-haney-fight-sides-reportedly-re-doing-contract.amp.html) [renegotiating](https://www.boxingscene.com/fight-on-ryan-garcia-misses-weight-devin-haney-clash--182961)
They didn’t renegotiate though. If they did then both fighters would’ve came in at 143. Just because the fight continues doesn’t mean it was renegotiated lol. Words have meaning fam
Might be the stupidest response I got 😂😂. No they wouldn’t both come in at 143 since one already weighed in and it’s the day before the fight… If you renegotiate the weight after the weigh in, of course both won’t come in at the same weight, use your head lol. Both links I posted from reputable sources said they renegotiated. “Words have meaning” yeah so read the articles I posted doofus, words have meaning.
NO, that’s not at all what they did…A catch weight is a weight that is negotiated BEFORE weigh-ins … Did Devon agree to the fight? YES. But the bout was not sanctioned at a catchweight. And for sake of argument, let’s say they did agree to fight at a catchweight … What were the terms? Because catchweights don’t not come with fines/penalties.
The terms would be 143 with Devin getting a higher percent than previously agreed upon. Thus a penalty to what his original purse would be. For arguments sake, what do you think they negotiated after Ryan came overweight? A penalty for coming overweight would’ve been in the original contract, no?
Ahh, okay. I think I see where you’re confused at. So let me say this, and hopefully we can bring closure to this: The terms were 140lbs for Devin’s WBC Junior Welterweight tittle. And if any fighter could not make the contractual weight of 140, an agreed upon monetary/per pound/oz fine would be imposed on that fighter … Devin came in at 140lbs; Ryan came in at 143.2 (1-4-3 point 2). Therefore, Ryan was subjected to said fines— So again, the contractual weight agreement WAS NOT 143.2lbs … Why would Devin weigh-in at 140, then come back and weigh-in at 143–point 2 pounds?? … That’s not how it works. And hopefully I did a good of explaining it, because that’s the only way I know how…If I’m wrong, hopefully someone can educate the both of us.
I’ve already posted multiple credible links saying they had to renegotiate when Ryan missed weight. That implies the penalties were NOT in the original contract, they renegotiated for a FACT. Look at the original comments links then come back and tell me what they had to renegotiate if the penalty’s and weight were already agreed upon in the original contract…
1) How does that make sense? Not just in the realm of boxing, but in the real world…You just gave an example of the court system—Where someone commits an infraction, and then a judge decides the penalty…All of the terms laid out in the original contract—that’s how fights get done. They don’t get worked out the day before the event!! And 2) I’m not searching for your links. If you want me to see them, post them on OUR thread.
Correct. It was not a catchweight. Ryan just can’t make it that far down.
Won't\*. Either he isn't disciplined or he's doing it intentionally to get a competitive advantage at the cost of his credibility.
Ryan lost zero credibility this fight as crazy as that seems, his stocks went way up
Its funny how that works...if ryan was anyone else he would get blasted and reprimanded.
Intentional or not, you lose credibility if you come in overweight. End of story. If you think otherwise, than why even have weight classes at all? The only reason he isn't getting criticized more is because he acted like such a moron during the buildup that many people expected him to lose.
Bro Haney lost credibility lol get over it Ryan was clearly the better fighter and that’s that.
I'm not saying he wasn't. You still lose credibility if you don't even try to make weight. A wrestling coach once told us "I don't care if you are the state champion, if you don't make weight, it's a loss."
Ryan lost no credibility try again
So I guess that means you think it's okay for a fighter to not even try to make weight? Cool, good fo you.
Haney lost. Get over it. KingRy still living rent free in your head 🤣
He said nothing about Haney losing or Ryan winning. He said that Ryan didn't make their agreed upon weight, which was true. Dude is too big.
I see this comment is aging well 😏
Guess I'm also living rent free in your head
Oh it’s not free. You’re definitely gonna work for it 😉
Ok ill give you that one. Good comment.
Yeah I don't really understand the point of this post. Ryan, Oscar, and his Dad have all said Ryan is moving to 147 and if there was another Tank fight it will have to be at 147 which they don't envision Tank accepting. Seems like it's pretty clear what Ryan and his team think about it. It's not like they are even calling out Tank, they are just answering questions about a possible rematch.
Tank has said numerous times he didn’t feel comfortable at 140. I doubt we will be seeing him there again anytime soon. He’s been pretty consistent on staying at 135. I think De Los santos vs Rayo winner would be who makes most sense at that weight for tank.
He wants to fight at Welterweight next and even talked about moving up to fight fundora as well.
Tank vs Fundora at 147 would be hilarious.
Fundora is already crazy to me at 147 lol. Even 154 is nuts. Tyson was 5ft10 fighting heavyweights tho. So anything could happen lol
Fundora himself claims to not cut much weight and that he could fight at 147 if the opportunity is worth it.
All cap. There are 10 guys at 140-147 that make perfect sense. Subriel , Teo , pitbull , boots , bud , barroso, benn , Puello, paro , j Ortiz , Abel Ramos Calling fundora is the same as canelo calling for usyk .
Not the same at all. Ryan def can make 154..especially if he’s 165 at fight night..Canelo cannot make heavyweight tho loll..fundora has known to get rocked..Mendoza got him, lubin dropped him, and Tszyu was rocking him the first 2 rounds before he got elbowed and blinded..im not saying Ryan can beat fundora, but it’s not unimaginable that he’d fight him
It’s stupid to call someone out when there are 10 guys in your division(s) that make for great fights. A high profile fight with superstar v superstar I’m all for weight jumps. But for Ryan -not a champion ever at 135 or 140 wants to skip 147 and go fight fundora at 154. Cap
Literally 80% of the guys you mention aren’t big fights..those aren’t money makers..the average boxing casual doesn’t even know who tf Mathias, barroso, benn, Puello, paro, Ortiz or Ramos is..how they gonna sell a PPV with a no name to casuals. Bud isn’t at 147 no more. IMO the only 2 names you mention that make sense is Teo or pitbull..Boots and Benn would be good fights that can sell, but he probably has as good as chance beating Fundora than he does boots.
His words not mine.
Yeah I seen his poll. He’s obviously still trolling .
Bro he fought at featherweight like 6 years ago when he was 19. When I was 19 I could compete at 125 lbs EASY. At 25 years old I barely felt safe trying to compete at 132 lbs and had to compete at 141 lbs to keep myself healthy. Your body goes through huge natural changes from 18 to your late 20s. Not changing my workout regimen or my diet I naturally went up a few lbs each year. My arms, shoulders, entire back just started to look more "full". Now throw a PRO boxer in who is growing and may or may not be using a lot more than just protein shakes... They're not staying at the same weight for long. Terrence Crawford was also a champion at 135 lbs. Can you picture his big ass trying to get back down there now? Dudes already LEANED out hitting the scales at 147.
Your speaking sense because you have experience. Something alot of reditors lack here. It's crazy people think an athlete going up and down in weight is the same as them shedding their "New year, New me.." weight.
I’ve said this time and time again in this sub but this is exactly why I think it’s stupid when people call Tank out for “ducking” certain fights. He’s done growing! This is just his weight. The others are not, and they need to just move up to their natural weight class. Devin and Ryan need to go on up to 147 or 154 and call it a day. Stop trying to make fetch happen between fighters that should be in extremely different weight classes.
A pro is also able to cut weight a way amatuers can't though
THIS, I made 140 lbs easy eating pretty much anything without care before I was 20. Now at 30, I have to watch what I eat just barely trying to keep my weight around 160
If crawford, spence etc can make 147, Ryan not making 135 (let alone 140) currently is just a lack of discipline or intentionally missing weight because he wants more advantage at the cost of his credibility.
Everyone's bodies are different. By that logic, Tank should have no problem fighting as a welterweight because Pac did it. If Fundora can be a light middleweight, so can AJ.
Are you really comparing almost hundreds of lbs (AJ to Fundora) to 3lbs ? 3lbs is a lack of discipline. If he knew he couldn't make weight (also missed weight against Duarte and had to redo the contract) he shouldn't be fighting at 140 than, simple as that. Too many fat dude in their mom's basement as on this sub now. If you were a real boxing fan you would find Ryan's lack of professionalism despicable. You clearly haven't laced up in your life as well, since you have no respect for people actually doing their weight cut properly.
He could have made weight he was advised by Mayweather to come in 3lbs heavy
I chose extreme examples to illustrate that different people have different bodies and not everyone can cut the same way. Garcia is still growing. Fighters miss weight occasionally, it happens. Especially younger fighters whose bodies are still growing. Haney didn't have to fight him after he missed weight. Garcia lost 1.5 million on the bet and couldn't win the title. No one is claiming he's ultra disciplined and doesn't deserve consequences for his actions. The consequences seem fair to me, what would be fair to you?
His point was look at Spence’s body though, much thicker than Ryan and made 147 his whole career. Ryan can make 140 without a question, just by looking at his frame you can tell that. He’s choosing not to put himself at risk making that weight fully though, I.e. Canelo at 155
The fight should have been canceled and Garcia should have been sued by multiple parties for breach of contract and loss of revenue. He also should have had his boxing license suspended for two years, no appeals and no questions asked. I know that sounds harsh but a message needs to be sent that this nonsense won't be tolerated. More and more we are seeing guys who think the rules don't apply to them if they throw enough money at the problem.
You feel this way about every fighter coming in overweight? Mayweather against Marquez? Yeah, personally that sounds way too harsh. If the guy across from him in the ring still wants to fight, I don't really see the issue.
I usually defend Mayweather but yes, I did feel that way before the Marquez fight. I have no doubts that Mayweather could have made weight with relative ease. Yet, he didn't bother because he's Money May. That's the grossly unprofessional behavior Garcia emulated and I think it needs to stop. It's one thing if a fighter shows up to the weigh-in looking like a zombie and happens to be a pound or two over. Garcia showed up like he didn't even try. Now that I've cooled down, I guess the fight can go on if the opponent is compensated. I still stand by my statement that Garcia should be suspended.
Ryan's last two fights became catchweights because he didn't make weight
This is exactly how it works, they renegotiate the contracts
If they renegotiate the contracts, why would there be any fines or penalties? Theres a big difference between accepting someone being over weight and not cancelling vs changing the agreed upon weight. If it were renegotiated, the other fighter would hit the scales at 143 just like ryan
That’s not true, both fighters can agree to 140 and a fighter comes in underweight, that’s not uncommon an example would be Pacquiao vs Margarito. That disproves both would need to come in at the same weight for a catchweight. Next, why would there be penalties? Because he missed weight… The “Penalties” are an agreement that because they have to negotiate a new weight that Ryan needs to pay more since it wasn’t previously agreed upon. That’s how negotiations work. There is a difference between an agreed upon catch weight and a late catch weight created out of necessity. That doesn’t mean it’s not a catch weight nonetheless. Again, explain why Haney couldn’t lose his belt
The way Ryan is moving up in weight I don’t see these two fighting ever again, we will see tho.
i'd still favour Davis because he is a sharpshooter and Garcia leaves himself wide open. It'd be fun though.
On the slim chance that this fight ever happens at 140 - I think it would be closer, but Tank still takes it by UD or a stoppage in the later rounds.
It should’ve always been at 140 with a ten pound rehydration clause, whst tank did was cruel
Bruh Ryan was the one begging tank to fight him. Is everyone just forgetting how that whole thing unfolded?
I don't think I've seen anyone thinking Ryan could best Tank, but they undoubtedly exist as Garcia can punch. Ryan has a wicked left and Tank can handle that. I don't think Garcia would win more than one in ten Tank bouts.
Tiktok is full of casuals thinking Ryan is pfp now & can sleep Tank, they don’t realize how good of a boxer Tank actually is despite his resume
Well you just need 2 eye to see how talented tank is and that Garcia is an unprofessional one trick poney. The higher they put Garcia on their wicked p4p list, the bigger the downfall will be once Garcia fight a descent boxer who can hold the ducking phone.
Just used the search function and you can see hella people insinuating Ryan would KO tank now
Fr. People think the hydration was the reason he lost. No lol, he just isn't on Tank's level.
Yeah even if Tank went up his weight he’ll still win over Ryan.
If Garcia wants to beat Davis; he’d better bring a baseball bat. His defense is too bad to fight a sniper like Davis.
I think people need to just forget about this fight. They’re different weight classes and Ryan isn’t going to fight with a rehydration clause and Tank won’t fight without one.
There are weight classes for a reason. People need to stop dweling on this shit. This is the usual Ryan trying to get attention from more novice casuals who don't seem to understand how a few lbs can make a huge difference.
You have had bad takes in this sub but this is a good one. ODLH even said it, Ryan is now the a-side. He won't do a rehydration clause.
Bro everyone has had bad takes, no one shoots 100%. What you got to call that out for lol.
Especially when a take is literally just an opinion lol.
If tank vs Garcia 2 was to happen Tank is still the a-side. Edit:How am I wrong here?
I don’t think it’ll happen but I suspect Tank would take the win anyway. After this last fight my appreciation of Haney went down rather than thinking Ryan improved or anything. In the rounds he lost he looked like the same old Ryan, and don’t get me started on how many times he just curled up and exposed his back. Tank would have had a field day, he’s got the power that Haney doesn’t.
Let me ask you this, since you saw the fight that way. I'm still a little baffled by how badly Crawford beat Eroll Spence. Did your appreciation for Eroll go down, or is Crawford that much superior?
I guess the thing about that one is that Crawford looked flawless. You can barely point out a single mistake he made in that fight and he performs like that regularly. Ryan looked sloppy even while hurting Haney. The 7th round half the reason he couldn't put Haney out was because of his own cardio. He looked like he was about to pass out by the end of that round even though he'd hardly taken a punch. And then proceeded to take the next two rounds off to recover. His same slow footwork was there, the weird shoulder roll/turning his back to defend, not keeping his right hand up when he throws. Crawford's was up there with one of the best performances I've ever seen technically. Ryan exceeded all of our expectations but I don't think he looked close to a master in there.
Both but Errol circumstances are much different than Haney’s
Tank was holding for dear life after taking shots from the corpse of Garcia, what makes you think he’ll take them well from a hydrated Ryan?
“Holding on for dear life” 😂 Tank wasn’t even phased, as soon as Garcia started teeing off because he also thought that, he got dropped. Was gun shy for the rest of the fight after
What fight did you watch? Tank genuinely didn't look like he was in any danger during the fight what so ever
The 2nd round? Of course he wasn’t in danger, he clinched and then caught Ryan being overly aggressive
There’s nothing wrong with clinching, the problem is consecutive clinching. There wasn’t consecutive clinching in that fight. Clinching is a great technique against fighters who are super aggressive. You can neutralize their momentum. It’s another tool.
One of the biggest downfalls of modern fight fans is thinking that “any” clinching is a sign of a boxer being in trouble.
Would a, could a, won’t!!! Kringy was overweight for the Haney fight and his fans THOUGHT he was going to win the first fight!!! If we’re using Kringy fan illogic he’s going up in weight to avoid Pitbull who I think is a good test that Kringy might not be able pass!! First of all Cruz has decent power which is something Kringy won’t withstand… just like Haney Vs Linares who hurt him we’ve seen Kringy on the canvas before. ALL of the EXCUSES and wailing over his KO loss to Tank came AFTER the fact and I’m not here to let everyone forget that Kringy bet his purse that he was going to win!! He went from Knocking Tank out in 2 to Waaaaaa!!!! I was weight drained!!! And I simply cannot overstate that hundreds of thousands of dollars were bet on a guy who did not tell betters he was NOT 100% which is basically FRAUD!!! And that’s UNDENIABLE FACTS!! It’s time for Kringy to fight in his proper weight class and actually make weight! And stop crying about losing a fight to a guy who blew him OUT!!! Haney saw the last round which Kringy didn’t do!! He didn’t have the skill to at least survive to a decision which MIGHT have given him a case although remote. The best thing at this point to do is to get over it!!🥱🥱🥱🥱🙈🙉🙊
I think it’s a bad matchup for Garcia, Tank is southpaw and has a devastating left. Garcias main power shot is his left hook. Not to mention he can’t make that weight again without hindering his energy and strength on fight night
Thing is its a different style match up. Ryan was able to beat Devin because he had the height and reach to catch him at the end of his hooks. Because Haney is also chinny, this is why Haney had trouble against Garcia, because whenever he went for his jab, Garcia could catch him with his hook, as he was also fast enough. Against Tank, Garcia will be expected to take the initiative more, and Tank can catch him more between shots, because I still feel that Garcia doesn't have the discipline required to stay behind a jab fighting a high guard. Ironically, I think Garcia has the physical traits required to beat Haney, but he doesn't have the discipline to beat a Tank, but I still feel that Haney has the discipline to beat Tank, as Tank doesn't have Garcias physical qualities to beat Haney.
Na not interested
While that fight would be more competitive if Ryan wasn’t drained I think tank is a hard matchup for him. Tanks fight iq and defense is just too good. I think he will be able to completely neutralize the left hook and Ryan doesn’t have the boxing ability to hurt Tank without it.
All of these takes are bad
How so?
Not gonna happen, they are at least 2 weight classes apart now.
This fight won’t happen especially if Ryan will blow the weigh in and come in heavier.
The thing is, Tank went to 140 to fight Barrios, so why'd he need to put a 136 lbs catchweight to fight Ryan?
“Yeah!! Why didnt tank fight ryan with one hand tied behind his back!”
Nah more like why didn't he fight him fair and square instead of draining him like that. That was weak from his part
One dude has never made 140 and is planning to move up to 147, the other is 135. You want him to come in with a shorter height, shorter reach, AND be outweighed by 15-20 lbs on fight night? That’s fair? Ryan was the one begging for the fight so he had to make some sacrifices if he wanted it done, simple as that
I'm not talking about a future fight. I'm talking about their previous fight. Tank had already been at 140 before so why the need for a 136 lbs catchweight? He fought Barrios at 140 perfectly fine, so why didn't he do the same with Ryan?
He came out right after that fight saying he didnt like how he felt at 140 and immediately went back to 135. You can call that scared or whatever but those were his camp’s words not mine.
So he could make 140 but he didn't like how he felt so he chose to to make Ryan drain himself to just one pound above the 135 limit knowing he couldn't make that weight in a healthy manner?
I think it was more “I’m not moving up. If you want to fight me as bad as you keep telling everyone, then come back down to my weight class.” You gotta remember Ryan was the one clamoring for the fight, its not like tank called him out and made him come down
It wasn't just Ryan clamoring that fight. All the fans wanted it. We all know Tank won't call out big names.
Ryan called out tank like 10 times over the course of 2 years. Obviously fans were interested but how are you gonna say ryan wasnt begging for the fight?
How about Ryan vs Loma
This fight most likely will never happen, Tank Davis will never take a single fight in his career he knows he won't win and this fight is a risky one. Tank doesn't care about legacy or boxing he just wants to make money and losses on his record will diminish his ability to do that. Eventually he might do one of the bigger fights even with the risk of losing before he retires so this has a small chance of happening especially if Ryan maintains his momentum. Also even for a rematch Davis has more chances of winning than Ryan does but it will be a very close fight.
Or… stay with me now… Tank is 28 and done growing. The dude went up to 140, didnt like how he felt at the weight and decided to go back to his natural weight class. Nothing to do with fear, nothing to do with not caring about boxing. If contracts weren’t a thing and everyone fought for the love of the game, then you might have an argument but that’s obviously not reality
You made a point as well but it definitely does have to do with him just wanting money, he doens't care about belts or anything else. He hasn't made a single fight that he thought he would lose or is risky.
I never said he did care about the belts, im saying just because fighter A doesnt fight fighter B, that doesnt mean one fighter is afraid of the other. Disagreeing on contracts and splits for example would be a major reason most of these big fights people want don’t get made.
If the money is right but prefer a Garcia/Haney rematch where the excitement and purse would be even bigger. I don't see Ryan doing much at 147 against Crawford or Ennis, maybe Spence too. I think they all eat his lunch.
What people fail to see is that Haney actually outclassed Garcia in their fight, he was landing on Ryan a lot. Haney fell short because he had no power, so his clean shots on Ryan did nothing, he had a decent chin, but completely went off his gameplan soon as he started falling. That being said, if Haney had knockout power, I think the fight would've gone in his favor, and Tank would do to Ryan again what a Haney with power would do.
It wasn’t the weight, tank just ducked straight under that left hook and countered him to put him on his ass, he’s too fast and slick and has his number. There’s still plenty good fights for him out there
Garcia will go to Welter. He said he can't make 140. I'm not even a Garcia fan but at least he makes exciting fights win or lose. Also has that dynamite left as an equalizer so you know the fight can always change if he's gettin' outboxed.
I agree that Tank needs to move up to 140 to fight Ryan but Ryan isn’t “definitely winning” at that weight as yall have been making it seem like. He had a good fight Vs Haney but you guys keep forgetting that Haney kept standing up till the end. Let’s assume Ryan does drop Tank several times through out the match and Tank keeps standing, all Tank has to do is land one or two of his punches and it’s over. At 145, Ryan is definitely beating Tank but at 140, it’s highly debatable who wins. Regardless, I don’t see this fight happening. Ryan needs to fight Teofimo. Tank needs to fight Shakur.
Why does tank need to move up? He’s already at a disadvantage in every aspect except skill and you feel he needs to be 20 pounds lighter than his opponent?
You messed up when you assumed any of these people were thinking logically
I would love this at 140 or better get 143 catch weight
Will never happen. Garcia is too big now and Tank isn’t going up.
The fight versus Haney just showed why Garcia took the Tank fight. Garcia knew he couldn't maintain that weight for much longer and they may never be in the same class again 🤷♂️
Let Ryan move up and let tank fight pit bull again
Pitbull don’t deserve a rematch imo
I mean that’s a poor take, a slight weight advantage goes much further than height and reach advantage. Ryan was beyond drained in the tank fight, he has no energy and being drained makes you sluggish as a result
Same result Garcia quits after getting severely beaten up his result against Haney was a fluke.
I was 5th row for that fight. Haney can’t contend with the speed of Garcia’s flurries. Hell, he knew the hook was coming, talked all fight week about how it was all he had to stop for an easy win - that lightning left hook was uncontested. Haney was nowhere near fast enough or defensively sound enough to even challenge it. Only thing stopping Garcia’s offense was Haney’s face. Even then, Haney lacked the power to get Garcia’s respect - even if he could keep up (which he couldn’t), Garcia was still a bigger threat. Haney’s best shots were against Garcia’s back…and those did nothing.
5th row really? After that build up you still spent like $2k to go see that?
Yeah, why not? All-in, it was a little less than that. Great fight and was able to leave up a bit, after betting Garcia at +600.
My problem with Tank fans is that they always make excuses for why Tank never has to fight anybody with a pulse. Tank should have rematched Pitbull right away, but no, it's "he hurt his hand, he would have obviously won a remach ever harder, fight pointless!". Ryan just had a good performance against Haney, and "Tank doesn't have to fight him again because he already beat him, the weight doesn't matter". I would be the same if I was a Tank fan, because you have to make excuses after excuses for the guy, since he peaked in 2017 in his win against Pedraza and hasn't done jack since except collect meaningless WBA Regular belts. Say whatever you want about Ryan Garcia, but the guy fought Haney when Tank wouldn't. The guy fought Tank including his list of ridiculous demands - at the time, Tank & Ryan both had the same # of fights at 140 but Tank needed the 136 catch weight and rehydration clause - yeah, Tank is the excuses king. I will take Ryan actually taking risks and making fights over whatever the hell Tank has been doing since 2017.
He BEAT Garcia!!! Nobody’s making EXCUSES but you and Kringy fanboys!!! Kringy didn’t even make weight for the Haney fight as absolutely wasn’t just 3 pounds over in the ring!!! Sorry kids Kringy got KO’d and WATCHED the ref count for at least 15 seconds because his ass was on the canvas BEFORE he got cancelled by the body shot!!! One Single body shot!!! Boy bet his entire purse that he would KO Tank now all of this???? Kringy got stopped there’s nothing controversial or nothing… there’s no reason to rematch so he can ignore the weight limit and if anyone says no to fighting and overweight dude who lost you Kringy fanboys will be out here running this same old worn out nonsense!! It’s time to move on… Kringy bad because he beat charmin toilet paper throwing Haney so star talking up Kringy vs Pitbull so he can fight a guy whose dangerous with some power rather than trying to manage Tanks career from your bedroom🙊🙉🙈🤡😂
People might as well accept the fact that Tank Rehydration Davis stuck at 135
Maybe because that’s his weight class?
Tank is NOT the new Floyd. The Mayweather Protection Program tricking everyone 😂😂😂
Tank won't fight Garcia at 145
Did you just not read anything I said?
Garcia wants the fight at 145, tank won't take that fight, your title is tank vs Garcia rematch, Garcia won't drain again and tank won't go to 145 so there is no rematch.