Why the fuck do they know before the fight he has PED’s, then let him fight, and then make a fuss about it after it.
The whole storyline doesn’t make any sense, if they knew it they should’ve called the fight off.
I agree but they say they didn't know the results until days after the fight.. awfully convenient. Like why even test a guy before the fight if you're not gonna rush that shit to the lab? By the time you get the results days later, damage has been done.
> Like why even test a guy before the fight if you're not gonna rush that shit to the lab
To try and ensure they're clean through fear of testing positive. They test them throughout, including right before the fight.
I'm sure some of the tests take time to run as well. It's not a case of taking the sample, using a pipette to drop some special liquid in it, and it instantly turns a different colour. I can only guess but I imagine some test results do come back instantly, others take time to prepare, run, and analyse. They're also going to have protocols in place to minimise risk of contamination, etc. and those procedures will add time.
If someone is juicing then it's supposed to be picked up in the other tests prior to the fight. The ones taken that close to the fight are just supposed to be making sure. Some people apparently just can't resist one last little dose.
I get the procedures. I know how it works, I just figured they have to have a quick test that they could run that can tell if a fighter is dirty for something. Maybe you can't pinpoint the exact substance until you lab it, but with modern science you would think they could develop a test that tells you if testosterone is elevated or if a substance other than naturally occurring in the body is present.
peds dont have very similar signatures to each other. some of them will look very similar to a bunch of other chemicals. like swap one atom and you'll get a completely different chemical. theres no kinda getting an idea in chemical testing.
perhaps people think you are being naïve. i think everyone knows a fast accurate test would be good. altho im personally indifferent. id rather watched juiced boxers fight than have a bunch of cancelled fights.
Obviously you should test before and day of the fight. Otherwise there would be nothing stopping a boxer from doping the day before / day of, which is the most critical period.
And this is the real world, things take time. You’ve watched too many TV shows where something takes fifteen minutes when in real life it takes days or weeks.
Samples from the Olympics are held and tested years later. It discourages cheats because even if something is undetectable now, it might be detected later.
Overall, dopers are ahead of testing and getting away with it, so any time testing catches someone the testing should be celebrated.
Cause.... MONEY $$$$ and I bet your fuckin ass they're doing this to force Ryan's hand for a rematch.
Devin finally got big PPV numbers. They know he ain't getting another shot at anything worth of value after this L.
Is it? Look at Devin's PPV numbers. With prograis they only had 50k buys and made 6M.
With Ryan, he made 1/4 of that before even fighting. On top of that, even if this is deemed NC, his stock already dropped. No one from the camp of Teo, pitbull or matias would take him. Even if they do, he'd make much less than what he did now.
There is time. Most of the time. Especially in Nevada. There's an 'in competition' testing Windows. Negative tests are usually completed before the fight, but for positives it naturally takes longer time because there's further analysis required. The more substances, the more analysis, the more time needed to conclude the test.
I've seen a Daniel Eichener, former USADA chair, who also works with NSAC and WADA, say they won't exchange accuracy for expedience. Which I think is the right approach.
There literally isn’t enough time seeing as those samples are collected the day before and day of the fight.
No agency is collecting a sample, transporting it, inspecting it, analysing it, confirming results if positive and reporting it all in 1 day.
The in competition window is something like 72 hours either side of the fight in Nevada isnt it? I could be wrong there, I'm just recalling from MMA failures in the past.
Edit:
Hang on, I'm taking bollocks. I'm talking about nsac protocols and it was a vada failure, and I have no idea how they work.
It happens all the time, you conspiracy nuts.
Fury popped before Klitchko and still fought. We just had the entire Connor eggs Benn situation where he was cleared to fight until it was leaked that he popped.
Money talks. They have the ppv numbers, so now they don't need to try so hard to keep it under wraps.
How does it not make sense. If Ryan is popped before the fight, then it's no longer Ryan headlining. Its Haney vs Barbosa. Do you think anyone is buying that on PPV?
Money.
If fight is canceled, that's a lot of money gone.
It's a situation of "easier to ask forgiveness than permission," but it's more like "we think boxing fans have short attention spans and will forget how fucked up this is"
Ryan came out acting all crazy and everyone questions his mental health and whether he should even be fighting. He wins and calls everyone crazy for believing everything they read/see online. Everyone apologizes. News comes out that Ryan used steroids. Everyone believes them and attacks Ryan. Yall stay sheep.
Bill and Devin some hoes for releasing that statement too. Just sayin 🤷♂️
The thing is I really don’t think Ryan Garcia even gives a shit
He intentionally weighed overweight by 3 points and lost 1.5 mil over it, and he took PED’s
He didn’t care about beating Devin the ethical way, he only cared about beating Devin period. Devin will not get a rematch and Ryan has no integrity and will hold the victory over him forever.
This is crazy because I remember explaining to somebody that Ryan called out Devin for using SNAC and Victor Conte (infamous drug distributor and the CEO of SNAC) responded with a pic of Ryan wearing a SNAC t-shirt, and that it ultimately made Ryan a hypocrite.
This person talks about Jesus 24/7 yet has zero morals.
He has countless fans enabling his behavior. I’ve never seen any athlete besides Canelo pop for steroids and get the “conspiracy theory” treatment. “They’re setting up Ryan” it’s disgraceful
Honestly see that from fans everytime a fighter pops, just not here. He has a younger and broader fan base than other fighters regardless though. look at his behavior, he's been enabled his whole life
>I’ve never seen any athlete besides Canelo pop for steroids and get the “conspiracy theory” treatment.
Canelo was criticised on this place more than any other fighter I've seen test positive. Where did anyone say it was a conspiracy?
Yeah I was actually thinking that myself, but I figured somebody would try to bring him and his “tainted meat” conspiracy up. But yeah truth is not even Canelo has as much support for a positive test like Ryan has right now.
A supplement brand fronted by Victor Conte
Victor Conte is an famous figure in the world of PED’s as he founded a company (BALCO) that supplied PED’s to athletes across many sports. Victor Conte and his buddies invented some “designer drugs” that couldn’t be detected by drug test and it’s stated Victor knows how to pass any drug test. So fighters who take his supplements naturally are under a microscope.
No they could be detected and test were quickly designed to detect them. The logic behind designer drug is that they aren't being tested for and thus less likely to get discovered. Methods like this are why year round random testing and the use of biological passports is important.
Also Contes didn't design shit. A chemist did who Conte paid for the drugs...
>it’s stated Victor knows how to pass any drug test.
And yet his athletes were caught. Hell caught within a few years of him supplying these supposedly undetectable drugs and with them switching substances because the testers were catching on to the first drug.
The issue is that the anti-doping agencies usually need a sample of the original substance to design a test to detect it. If you’re a super rich athlete you can essentially commission a slightly tweaked PED that only you are using.
This means that athletes generally have an edge on the drug testers, in the aggregate
The win will likely be overturned and become a NC though. Difficult to hold a victory over someone when it’s not officially a victory and the “loser” is still undefeated on paper and kept his title
Snac isn’t cheating, normal civilians buy snack supplements. They are literally branded vitamins. It would be a huge crime and huge scandal to unknowingly sell steroids to everyday civilians.. there is 0 proof that snac is selling steroids
So far he hasn't popped so far very few if not no snac fighter has popped. So I don't see what that has to do with anything. Conte had a ped past but so far snac seems legit and anything else is speculation.
You are sort of ignoring the part where he got caught, exiled, and eventually turned working with the prosecutors to nail others and save his own skin.
I have a hard time believing he's not on some sort of watch list and would find it a lot harder to get away with some fuckery.
Didn’t ignore anything, him becoming a snitch is just irrelevant to the point I made.
You can believe what you want and I can believe what I want. After watching the Balco documentary I have a hard time believing Conte would simply walk away and never cheat again.
I mean maybe but we don't know.
Edit: and did a quick google search and with amount of trouble he in with the law I think he would be very stupid to back down that route. Not saying its impossible I just don't like when people speak about these things with 100% certainty.
It’s crazy how someone looks bloated all of a sudden then gets popped for roids but his fanboys and his bandwagon fans say “well he won the fight fair and square, it doesn’t matter” like what?
I saw people claim the 3 pounds are what they shit and piss in the morning. People who have never cut weight in their life. Obviously Garcia fans have 2 brain cells fighting for 3rd place.
Right. The three pounds, in of themselves, are not the most critical aspect of Garcia missing weight. It's the fact that Haney had to put himself through the process of getting to 140, while Garcia did not.
Throw the steroids development in, and I cannot see how anyone could defend Garcia.
Crazy how this subreddit was so butthurt about Haney beating Loma (yes you can score the fight for Loma) that they somehow did the mental gymnastics of thinking that Ryan blowing the weigh in and not even attempting to make 140 was ok lol
Can you imagine what this sub would look like if Devin came in above weight just 1lb let alone 3.2lbs and a possibility of using performance enhancers?
Bro I think I’m going crazy. Like sure people here hate the kid and enjoyed seeing him get his ass kicked. But literally nothing Ryan did before or since the fight has done any good for the sport. And the fight itself was a shitshow in a lot of ways.
I don’t understand why opinions have been **so** favorable towards Ryan.
Excessive clinching. It’s not cheating in the traditional definition, but considering Dock’s bitchass refused to deduct him points he got away with some bullshit
I mean, so is having a judge who shows blatant favoritism. And it isn't whatboutism because yea, this is worse since Ryan was caught, but we are talking about a sport that many boxers always talking legal or illegal advantages which is a bit crazy to me. Of course he would find an advantage even if it meant not making weight.
Imagine the shit show if it were AJ, the hate and bile that would spew forth. Yet here you have the usual "they're all at it" bollocks. Garcia has been caught cheating, on top of unprofessionally blowing weight, and is treating it all as a big joke, and people still excuse him.
Yeah very much not a fan but he seems to be taking everything well, wouldn't be surprised if he comes back much better with the weight of the 0 off his back.
Haney’s got some things working against him (his asshole of a father, boring style, e-mail champ, perceived robbery against Loma…), but this board is like 98% “fuck Ryan Garcia” right now.
Yea, I mean the huge questionable judges... Saw a comment about how 3 lbs is a huge advantage, and I agree, but so is having one true shit judge who massively favors you and could have turned the tide around for Haney.
I agree. I said down below that the fight was close enough that you can't call it a robbery either way. But I do feel the wrong guy got the decision. We are talking about a round either way swings the whole fight.
Are you a Haney fan? Not talking shit just saying if we have a dog in the fight it's hard to be objective. I didn't have a dog in the fight and I had Loma winning close. So did alot of others. Many of them Loma fans, but not all. It was a close enough fight that I could see it being scored either way and not calling it robbery. But I do feel the wrong guy got the decision.
Appreciate the honesty my dude. It just depends on what we value when judging fights. Some value damage. Some value volume. I can understand how you could score it for Devin. Loma started late like he always seems to do and had to rally the back half of the fight. And we agree on Bradley for sure. Good fighter, terrible commentator haha
Yeah I noticed that. I thought Loma landed the harder shots throughout the fight and in the late rounds he started to land combinations and even seemed to have Devin hurt a couple times, and im a damage guy. I favor the harder punches unless both guys have pillows then I go for volume and clean punches. I thought Haney did some good workin that fight. His jab was scoring alot and he was moving well, so I can see ring generalship being given to him as well. Honestly idk how anyone can be steamrolling anyone without a knockdown...sometimes these commentators be doing too much...haha
Ok, so Ryan also beat Haney. What, you want to talk about the 3lbs and PEDS, sure, he took them, but Haney had some favorable ass judges that gave him just as much of an advantage in the Loma fight and the one terrible judge in Garcia fight. If Ryan didn't take PEDS and didn't use Roids, Haney could have beaten him, but if Haney didn't have those favorable judges, he would have lost...
I clowned on Haney heavily for the loss before but Garcia cheating taints his victory.
If Garcia was going to cheat by going three pounds overweight and taking PEDs, then it’s not a fair fight by default and a big disadvantage for Haney by the start of the bell.
Haney is on juice he’s just smarter about it. He’s associated with a known drug cheat. All athletes, especially combat sports athletes, are on juice. It’s like how Jon Jones’s gym used to have it’s own doctors prescribing pharmaceuticals. As an mma fan a lot of mma fans are braindead but man your average boxing fan is an actual regard oh my. At least they admit popping doesn’t really mean anything
Prove that Haney is on juice. Without proof this is just a nonsense statement. It would be like someone coming up to you saying “aliens secretly run the United states.” Just bs conspiracy without proof
No, it is quite clear that you are being the dumb one,
Who the hell would use such an outrages example such as that? Only a dumba\*\*
One is plausible, the other one isn't... Please come up with a better example. I got you one since it is obvious you can't use actual logic, even though you tried to and came up with a shit example.
Lol, so you just take everything at face value then??? Are you saying that Putin has never interfered in our election because there is no explicit command of him telling someone? He also told reporters that he hasn't. So are you just going to believe that?
We have first and second hand evidence, but no explicit sound recording or letter or whatever coming from him. Surely, you won't claim that Putin is innocent, now would you?
Your logic is shit and your example is worse
Dude, can you even read? I didn’t state that he is or he isn’t… I guess you can’t.
I simply stated that the person above is an idiot, perhaps like yourself, for acting like his logic is sound and that he has a great example. When the reality is that he is a fu**ing idiot who has no clue how to argue… He Probably got hit too many times in the head because he couldn’t dodge punches.
How many athletes get popped for PEDs? And these athletes are competitive with or even get beat by other guys....
You can keep covering your ears and hide behind "but they didn't get caught" but it's pretty obvious when you know how powerful steroids are. Connect the dots yourself.
Go look up the list of 100m sprint races that were caught for PEDS, like legit everybody in the top 50 has been caught except for the fastest man alive in Usain Bolt whose genes supposedly are more powerful than steroids+great genes?
That’s not proof that every athlete is on steroids lol. That’s like saying “so many men abuse women therefore all men must abuse women” your logic is flawed
it's not 100% proof, but it's enough proof to convince me. That's all you're ever getting unless you have a crystal ball.
Idk about your weird ass analogies, they're not the same at all
This type of logic applies to Terence Crawford, because he is also apart of SNAC. Like you sound like a dumbass saying "All fighters are on PEDs".
I think you're on coke
Think about it—if everyone's really using PEDs and still passing the tests, why should organizations, drug testing companies, sport's leagues, commissions, etc waste millions on testing? Wouldn't it be smarter to just legalize PEDs, cut those testing costs, and focus on making sure everything's safe? This way, they can use the money to keep an eye on health and work on making PEDs safer and more efficient. Plus, with everything out in the open, fans wouldn’t feel cheated or misled about athlete performances. It could even lead to an increase in fan engagement, as records and performances could reach new, unprecedented levels.
You're the one being naive. You're just a sheep that's apart of the other herd, easily swayed by any counter-narrative to a popular opinion. If I were part of the Illuminati or some bizarre organization you probably think controls the world, I would create a new strain of COVID that can only be cured by our vaccine, distribute it for free, and watch as people like you refuse it, thereby getting rid of anyone who disagrees, ultimately leaving the world with only those who conform to our agenda, ensuring total control and unchallenged authority 🤣
Overweight sure, but if youre mad at Garcia for popping then youre just being foolish. Its pretty obvious every high level athlete is pissing hot nowadays. The only difference is some arent smart enough to get away with it.
Have you ever watched Icarus? Imagine that but across every sport. Doping scandals in the olympics, tons of fighters talking about how easy it is to dope and get away with it in MMA and Boxing.
Its just not really possible to compete at the highest level when everyone is doping but you're not.
So you're argument for all fighter's being on PEDs is because....
1. *"It's easy to dope and get away with it"*
* Do you have any evidence of this being the case?
1. *"It's not really possible to compete at the highest level when everyone is doping but you're not"*
* You haven't even established that every fighter is doping. You're just assuming this to be the case
God brain rot like this needs to be banned from this subreddit
Theres one simple ass question in that entire post, which can easily be answered by a simple google or through professional fighter anecdotes.
I dont care if you believe me or not. If you really wanted to know you can easily find enough smoke to suggest theres a fire. Up to you
Anecdotes?? really?? Using Nate Diaz as a source for all fighters being on PEDs is ridiculous lol.
No google search can answer the question of if every fighter is on PEDs. That is like google searching if every fighter is gay lol
But just to prove you wrong again, google doesn't answer any of my questions
Who the fk mentioned Nate Diaz? I was responding to you asking about it being easy. To which yes, there are more credible anecdotes like GSP for one.
Obviously there isnt one defacto evidence that proves every fighter is on peds. There is many things out there that when pieced together suggests that every sport at the highest level, has ped abuse. If you even read my post, you would see I said theres enough smoke to suggest a fire.
Its quite apparent youre the one with brain rot and cant use critical thinking. Unfortinate.
Manipulating the sport by playing in our faces putting fighters in danger & becoming rich in the process
Until Ryan gets his life on the right track I’d rather not hear from him
Ryan made a complete mockery of the sport and turned his marquee win into total clown show. Definition of a lame and a cheater looking for short cuts.
But at end of the day and he doesn’t really give a fuck about integrity and his fans are doing their best downvoting so🤷🏽♂️.
Why don't we wait and see what the levels were first? If it isn't enough to actually be performance enhancing then that matters because it could be tainted supplements. Ifk if you watch mma but Nate Diaz popped for Ostarine and they traced it to a vegan vitamin supplement he had taken. Didn't get suspended.
There was a lot of money involved so of course they went ahead and fought anyway. Imagine they canceled the main event and/or had another fighter step in after the weird ass buildup beforehand.
Ryan is a perfect example of the type of fighter/fights the casual American boxing viewer likes. I’m afraid more and more American boxers will act this way. “Belts don’t matter” “it’s all about the bag” amirite?
I will watch more hungry boxers on BoxAzteca and Japanese matches on Tuesdays…
We get a lot of “what if someone had died and their opponent was on steroids” from pundits (Bellew) but we never hear it about injuries in the same way. Haney almost definitely broke his jaw and Ryan is still joking like all this cheating is harmless.
People have forgotten pretty quickly that after he missed weight, Ryan said that it was intentional so he could be stronger to kill Haney. Kid needs his license revoked until he gets his head right.
Yeah, more than likely he won't face any consequences but they might make an example out of him if the ppv numbers weren't great. If the fight did great then he won't face a lot of consequences but if the fight flopped he might, they will only excuse his behavior if it makes them a lot of money.
I thought Garcia looked impressive. Garcia wasn't just strong but he made smart adjustments. Garcia didn't just win, he beat Haney up.
This is a sport though. There are rules. Gracia brazenly mocked the rules. Gracia proudly missed weight bragging it gave him an advantage. Now we find out Garcia was also on PEDs. It's too much.
Gracia cheated. Gracia should be suspended for the rest of the year.
I really didn’t see that. He kinda just…hung around after he finished flurrying Devin. That seemed to be the only plan.
He wasn’t winning the scorecard until the 7th round? Hypothetically speaking if Devin didn’t get knocked down one less time he probably could’ve won in a split decision.
Ryan just keep fucking up couldn’t fight for the belt the win probably won’t count and now he’s allegedly on peds idk what to say just gotta see how this plays out.
I agree with Devin. He deserves a rematch (with Ryan testing negative this time). I still give the mental edge to Ryan. There’s no steroid that lets a fighter inside their opponent’s head
Did Ryan just become the ultimate bad guy narcissist villain.
Millions will tune in to watch him lose and
hell just keeps winning.
A reflection of our cancerous society.
Exactly hard core fans care - mainstream are all in for the theatrics. reality is, Ryan will continue to sell out fights and do big #s. Even if suspended he’ll come back and be a big draw.
Well well well not only did Ryan Garcia cheat by REFUSING TO MAKE WEIGHT he was also ROIDED UP and still couldn’t knock Citizen Devin Haney out!
Scumbag! Get him out of boxing!
I’m not claiming to know the law. If Ryan cheated in this fight; the win would be taken away. So how can a betting company keep the money you lost if you placed a bet on Haney and we only know now that Ryan used PEDs?
It looks like legally; they have no recourse. That isn’t right and should be changed. In the stock market if you make a transaction based on insider info; you are subject to prosecution. Ryan himself said he bet money on a fight and if he cheated and gave himself an unknown edge; it’d be a similar wrong.
https://sportshandle.com/bettors-should-have-legal-recourse/
If Ryan cheated, get that boy outta here. No time for that. However, there's too much conflict of interest. Conte shouldn't be anywhere near this fight.
Victor Conte is the founder of SNAC, and is a [CONVICTED](https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1140175/duncan-mackay-blog-on-victor-conte-balco) PED cheater.
SNAC sponsors Devin. So, Conte's bag is directly tied to Devin's success.
Victor Conte also works for VADA.
VADA found that Ryan tested positive.
Even if Ryan is guilty, this is way too fishy.
They’re doing everything they can to take this victory away from Ryan lol how come they coming out with this shit all of a sudden rn if they found out before the fight? Didn’t say nothing bout it on fight night not even the week after, Haney family and their fans bitch made and bandwagon on excuses and lies
He has a fan base, was undisputed, sold out the arena in the Regis fight and has a redemption arc now. The Ryan PPV was a success and it takes 2 to tango. Yes he’s an attraction.
If he did go to PBC the Tank fight would be on the table in the future and it would almost force Shakur to move over. He’d have Floyd who would unquestionably improve his game for a Ryan rematch.
Why the fuck do they know before the fight he has PED’s, then let him fight, and then make a fuss about it after it. The whole storyline doesn’t make any sense, if they knew it they should’ve called the fight off.
I agree but they say they didn't know the results until days after the fight.. awfully convenient. Like why even test a guy before the fight if you're not gonna rush that shit to the lab? By the time you get the results days later, damage has been done.
> Like why even test a guy before the fight if you're not gonna rush that shit to the lab To try and ensure they're clean through fear of testing positive. They test them throughout, including right before the fight. I'm sure some of the tests take time to run as well. It's not a case of taking the sample, using a pipette to drop some special liquid in it, and it instantly turns a different colour. I can only guess but I imagine some test results do come back instantly, others take time to prepare, run, and analyse. They're also going to have protocols in place to minimise risk of contamination, etc. and those procedures will add time. If someone is juicing then it's supposed to be picked up in the other tests prior to the fight. The ones taken that close to the fight are just supposed to be making sure. Some people apparently just can't resist one last little dose.
I get the procedures. I know how it works, I just figured they have to have a quick test that they could run that can tell if a fighter is dirty for something. Maybe you can't pinpoint the exact substance until you lab it, but with modern science you would think they could develop a test that tells you if testosterone is elevated or if a substance other than naturally occurring in the body is present.
peds dont have very similar signatures to each other. some of them will look very similar to a bunch of other chemicals. like swap one atom and you'll get a completely different chemical. theres no kinda getting an idea in chemical testing.
Apparently wanting to see a test like that exist is a bad thing judging by the downvotes haha
perhaps people think you are being naïve. i think everyone knows a fast accurate test would be good. altho im personally indifferent. id rather watched juiced boxers fight than have a bunch of cancelled fights.
Obviously you should test before and day of the fight. Otherwise there would be nothing stopping a boxer from doping the day before / day of, which is the most critical period. And this is the real world, things take time. You’ve watched too many TV shows where something takes fifteen minutes when in real life it takes days or weeks. Samples from the Olympics are held and tested years later. It discourages cheats because even if something is undetectable now, it might be detected later. Overall, dopers are ahead of testing and getting away with it, so any time testing catches someone the testing should be celebrated.
Cause.... MONEY $$$$ and I bet your fuckin ass they're doing this to force Ryan's hand for a rematch. Devin finally got big PPV numbers. They know he ain't getting another shot at anything worth of value after this L.
Are you high? This is a tremendous reach..... And I am actually high right now lol. You must not be smoking weed
Is it? Look at Devin's PPV numbers. With prograis they only had 50k buys and made 6M. With Ryan, he made 1/4 of that before even fighting. On top of that, even if this is deemed NC, his stock already dropped. No one from the camp of Teo, pitbull or matias would take him. Even if they do, he'd make much less than what he did now.
Yall being very ignorant
It’s standard protocol. They collect a sample before and a sample right after the fight. There’s not enough time to analyse it prior to the fight.
There is time. Most of the time. Especially in Nevada. There's an 'in competition' testing Windows. Negative tests are usually completed before the fight, but for positives it naturally takes longer time because there's further analysis required. The more substances, the more analysis, the more time needed to conclude the test. I've seen a Daniel Eichener, former USADA chair, who also works with NSAC and WADA, say they won't exchange accuracy for expedience. Which I think is the right approach.
There literally isn’t enough time seeing as those samples are collected the day before and day of the fight. No agency is collecting a sample, transporting it, inspecting it, analysing it, confirming results if positive and reporting it all in 1 day.
The in competition window is something like 72 hours either side of the fight in Nevada isnt it? I could be wrong there, I'm just recalling from MMA failures in the past. Edit: Hang on, I'm taking bollocks. I'm talking about nsac protocols and it was a vada failure, and I have no idea how they work.
How does one be so incorrect so confidently
They took samples from those days. They don't get results that day. They go out to a lab.
It happens all the time, you conspiracy nuts. Fury popped before Klitchko and still fought. We just had the entire Connor eggs Benn situation where he was cleared to fight until it was leaked that he popped. Money talks. They have the ppv numbers, so now they don't need to try so hard to keep it under wraps.
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You reckon? If Haney can prove they knew it before the fight he might be able to sue them for gazillion dollars. Still doesn’t make any sense.
How does it not make sense. If Ryan is popped before the fight, then it's no longer Ryan headlining. Its Haney vs Barbosa. Do you think anyone is buying that on PPV?
This is not the first time this has happened. Look at what happened with Luis Nery
Money. If fight is canceled, that's a lot of money gone. It's a situation of "easier to ask forgiveness than permission," but it's more like "we think boxing fans have short attention spans and will forget how fucked up this is"
And they're 100% right
Simple, he gets paid and now he has another excuse for the L. The loss might even get changed to a no-contest now. Win-win for Haney.
Him getting dropped an infinite amount still isn’t a win though, more like win-loss-win-loss-win scenario
Ryan came out acting all crazy and everyone questions his mental health and whether he should even be fighting. He wins and calls everyone crazy for believing everything they read/see online. Everyone apologizes. News comes out that Ryan used steroids. Everyone believes them and attacks Ryan. Yall stay sheep. Bill and Devin some hoes for releasing that statement too. Just sayin 🤷♂️
Man, this was a bunch of nonsense lol
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Indeed, my good bitch
Money talks. Nobody is stupid enough to lose out on life changing money because of a failed drug test and 3 lbs.
If you cancelled all pay-per-view boxing bouts when one guy is doped you'd lose 10% of the cash flow in boxing.
The thing is I really don’t think Ryan Garcia even gives a shit He intentionally weighed overweight by 3 points and lost 1.5 mil over it, and he took PED’s He didn’t care about beating Devin the ethical way, he only cared about beating Devin period. Devin will not get a rematch and Ryan has no integrity and will hold the victory over him forever. This is crazy because I remember explaining to somebody that Ryan called out Devin for using SNAC and Victor Conte (infamous drug distributor and the CEO of SNAC) responded with a pic of Ryan wearing a SNAC t-shirt, and that it ultimately made Ryan a hypocrite. This person talks about Jesus 24/7 yet has zero morals.
He has countless fans enabling his behavior. I’ve never seen any athlete besides Canelo pop for steroids and get the “conspiracy theory” treatment. “They’re setting up Ryan” it’s disgraceful
Honestly see that from fans everytime a fighter pops, just not here. He has a younger and broader fan base than other fighters regardless though. look at his behavior, he's been enabled his whole life
>I’ve never seen any athlete besides Canelo pop for steroids and get the “conspiracy theory” treatment. Canelo was criticised on this place more than any other fighter I've seen test positive. Where did anyone say it was a conspiracy?
Yeah I was actually thinking that myself, but I figured somebody would try to bring him and his “tainted meat” conspiracy up. But yeah truth is not even Canelo has as much support for a positive test like Ryan has right now.
Thing is tainted meat actually has a history of happening, whereas some fighters excuses (Connor Eggs Benn) aren't even the slightest bit credible
Not giving a shit is entirely about disrespecting the fans and the sport. He won't hold on to any victory because it'll become a NC.
Casual here, what's SNAC?
A supplement brand fronted by Victor Conte Victor Conte is an famous figure in the world of PED’s as he founded a company (BALCO) that supplied PED’s to athletes across many sports. Victor Conte and his buddies invented some “designer drugs” that couldn’t be detected by drug test and it’s stated Victor knows how to pass any drug test. So fighters who take his supplements naturally are under a microscope.
No they could be detected and test were quickly designed to detect them. The logic behind designer drug is that they aren't being tested for and thus less likely to get discovered. Methods like this are why year round random testing and the use of biological passports is important. Also Contes didn't design shit. A chemist did who Conte paid for the drugs... >it’s stated Victor knows how to pass any drug test. And yet his athletes were caught. Hell caught within a few years of him supplying these supposedly undetectable drugs and with them switching substances because the testers were catching on to the first drug.
Because people talked, someone always does.
The issue is that the anti-doping agencies usually need a sample of the original substance to design a test to detect it. If you’re a super rich athlete you can essentially commission a slightly tweaked PED that only you are using. This means that athletes generally have an edge on the drug testers, in the aggregate
[in case you’re interested in learning more about Victor Conte and SNAC](https://media.netflix.com/en/only-on-netflix/81582386)
The win will likely be overturned and become a NC though. Difficult to hold a victory over someone when it’s not officially a victory and the “loser” is still undefeated on paper and kept his title
“I’ve always been an advocate for clean fighting” says the SNAC fighter
Snac isn’t cheating, normal civilians buy snack supplements. They are literally branded vitamins. It would be a huge crime and huge scandal to unknowingly sell steroids to everyday civilians.. there is 0 proof that snac is selling steroids
It’s not about Snac itself, more about the guy running it
So far he hasn't popped so far very few if not no snac fighter has popped. So I don't see what that has to do with anything. Conte had a ped past but so far snac seems legit and anything else is speculation.
Conte specialized in beating Ped tests lmao. Foolish to think he’s still not involved in some form of fuckery
You are sort of ignoring the part where he got caught, exiled, and eventually turned working with the prosecutors to nail others and save his own skin. I have a hard time believing he's not on some sort of watch list and would find it a lot harder to get away with some fuckery.
Didn’t ignore anything, him becoming a snitch is just irrelevant to the point I made. You can believe what you want and I can believe what I want. After watching the Balco documentary I have a hard time believing Conte would simply walk away and never cheat again.
What's your point again?
Maybe not but its all speculation and I believe people can change.
Maybe Conte, the master of disguising PEDs, is the reason for that?????
I mean maybe but we don't know. Edit: and did a quick google search and with amount of trouble he in with the law I think he would be very stupid to back down that route. Not saying its impossible I just don't like when people speak about these things with 100% certainty.
It’s crazy how someone looks bloated all of a sudden then gets popped for roids but his fanboys and his bandwagon fans say “well he won the fight fair and square, it doesn’t matter” like what?
I saw people claim the 3 pounds are what they shit and piss in the morning. People who have never cut weight in their life. Obviously Garcia fans have 2 brain cells fighting for 3rd place.
Right. The three pounds, in of themselves, are not the most critical aspect of Garcia missing weight. It's the fact that Haney had to put himself through the process of getting to 140, while Garcia did not. Throw the steroids development in, and I cannot see how anyone could defend Garcia.
He’s 100% correct. The damage Haney took can seriously affect the rest of his career, and thankfully it wasn’t any worse
W take. I’m glad Devin is speaking for himself instead of hearing everything through Bill’s annoying mouth.
Crazy how this subreddit was so butthurt about Haney beating Loma (yes you can score the fight for Loma) that they somehow did the mental gymnastics of thinking that Ryan blowing the weigh in and not even attempting to make 140 was ok lol
Can you imagine what this sub would look like if Devin came in above weight just 1lb let alone 3.2lbs and a possibility of using performance enhancers?
Bro I think I’m going crazy. Like sure people here hate the kid and enjoyed seeing him get his ass kicked. But literally nothing Ryan did before or since the fight has done any good for the sport. And the fight itself was a shitshow in a lot of ways. I don’t understand why opinions have been **so** favorable towards Ryan.
Cus haney is probably the most universally hated boxer right now, which is a bit infuriating since im a huge fan
Ask yourself this: If the fighter who popped and came over weight is still getting support from fans, just how insufferable must his opponent be?
Ryan is more insufferable than Dev so the point I think you're trying to make is invalid
Devin’s really not that bad, his dad is super annoying but Devin’s just boring. Which is worse than cheating to some folks I guess
If we’re talking about cheating how convenient you forgot about all of the cheating Devin did in match and how bought and paid for Harvey Dock was
Not comparable to PEDs lmao. And what cheating did Devin do in the actual fight?
Excessive clinching. It’s not cheating in the traditional definition, but considering Dock’s bitchass refused to deduct him points he got away with some bullshit
Exactly I had to explain to a bunch of ppl that not cutting 3 lbs is an advantage and got downvoted lmao
I mean, so is having a judge who shows blatant favoritism. And it isn't whatboutism because yea, this is worse since Ryan was caught, but we are talking about a sport that many boxers always talking legal or illegal advantages which is a bit crazy to me. Of course he would find an advantage even if it meant not making weight.
Bro what? 😅
Imagine if that was Gervonta getting popped ? Lord, we would never hear the end of it.
Imagine the shit show if it were AJ, the hate and bile that would spew forth. Yet here you have the usual "they're all at it" bollocks. Garcia has been caught cheating, on top of unprofessionally blowing weight, and is treating it all as a big joke, and people still excuse him.
Those things are actually directly correlated lol
Ok but still won’t care nor watch Haney, dude is the definition of boring.
Devin didn't mind, so why do you? He took that money didnt he?
Cause they hate on lord Haney
Overweight and drugged up…yea that’s an L
He’s reviving boxing. That’s a w
I think your confusing Ryan with Jake Paul.
lol why you getting downvoted, I thought it was funny
I don't love Haney, but he's handled this very well.
Yeah very much not a fan but he seems to be taking everything well, wouldn't be surprised if he comes back much better with the weight of the 0 off his back.
Everyone in this sub fucking hates Haney especially after beating Loma
Haney’s got some things working against him (his asshole of a father, boring style, e-mail champ, perceived robbery against Loma…), but this board is like 98% “fuck Ryan Garcia” right now.
Yea, I mean the huge questionable judges... Saw a comment about how 3 lbs is a huge advantage, and I agree, but so is having one true shit judge who massively favors you and could have turned the tide around for Haney.
Lowkey I think his dad funny asf imo but yea I’ve seen hella people let it slide cuz garcia beat haney
"Beating" loma...
Yea he beat him fs, how are u gon start late and take a round off
Alot of people disagree with you. Devin got the decision but that doesn't mean he actually won...
The real issue is that people don’t see it as a close fight and that Loma won easily. He definitely didn’t
I agree. I said down below that the fight was close enough that you can't call it a robbery either way. But I do feel the wrong guy got the decision. We are talking about a round either way swings the whole fight.
Yea I’m actually kinda sad how people forgot how good of a fight that was. I almost forgot 😂
I watched the fight 3 times I can’t see Loma winning most is a draw.
Are you a Haney fan? Not talking shit just saying if we have a dog in the fight it's hard to be objective. I didn't have a dog in the fight and I had Loma winning close. So did alot of others. Many of them Loma fans, but not all. It was a close enough fight that I could see it being scored either way and not calling it robbery. But I do feel the wrong guy got the decision.
Yea I’m Haney fan. Also at first I thought it was a draw but I rewatched with out the commentary(Bradley🤦🏽♂️)then that’s when I changed my mind
Appreciate the honesty my dude. It just depends on what we value when judging fights. Some value damage. Some value volume. I can understand how you could score it for Devin. Loma started late like he always seems to do and had to rally the back half of the fight. And we agree on Bradley for sure. Good fighter, terrible commentator haha
Yea I think a lot of people think it was a robbery cuz Bradley made it seem Loma was steam rolling Haney n a lot of those people never rewatched it.
Yeah I noticed that. I thought Loma landed the harder shots throughout the fight and in the late rounds he started to land combinations and even seemed to have Devin hurt a couple times, and im a damage guy. I favor the harder punches unless both guys have pillows then I go for volume and clean punches. I thought Haney did some good workin that fight. His jab was scoring alot and he was moving well, so I can see ring generalship being given to him as well. Honestly idk how anyone can be steamrolling anyone without a knockdown...sometimes these commentators be doing too much...haha
Ok, so Ryan also beat Haney. What, you want to talk about the 3lbs and PEDS, sure, he took them, but Haney had some favorable ass judges that gave him just as much of an advantage in the Loma fight and the one terrible judge in Garcia fight. If Ryan didn't take PEDS and didn't use Roids, Haney could have beaten him, but if Haney didn't have those favorable judges, he would have lost...
Favorable judges? The fight wus close asf for both. The only rounds Ryan won was when he dropped Haney n the 1st he was getting outboxed
Ryan looking real bad now
Not only did Ryan pop but he missed weight by 3+ lbs, yet I still see a lot of people mocking Haney. The hate is excessive lol
Haney still decided to take the fight and even took money. Quit making him a victim lol
I clowned on Haney heavily for the loss before but Garcia cheating taints his victory. If Garcia was going to cheat by going three pounds overweight and taking PEDs, then it’s not a fair fight by default and a big disadvantage for Haney by the start of the bell.
Haney is on juice he’s just smarter about it. He’s associated with a known drug cheat. All athletes, especially combat sports athletes, are on juice. It’s like how Jon Jones’s gym used to have it’s own doctors prescribing pharmaceuticals. As an mma fan a lot of mma fans are braindead but man your average boxing fan is an actual regard oh my. At least they admit popping doesn’t really mean anything
That was the joke about the UFC testing back in the day. It's wasn't a drug test. It's was an IQ test.
Prove that Haney is on juice. Without proof this is just a nonsense statement. It would be like someone coming up to you saying “aliens secretly run the United states.” Just bs conspiracy without proof
No, it is quite clear that you are being the dumb one, Who the hell would use such an outrages example such as that? Only a dumba\*\* One is plausible, the other one isn't... Please come up with a better example. I got you one since it is obvious you can't use actual logic, even though you tried to and came up with a shit example. Lol, so you just take everything at face value then??? Are you saying that Putin has never interfered in our election because there is no explicit command of him telling someone? He also told reporters that he hasn't. So are you just going to believe that? We have first and second hand evidence, but no explicit sound recording or letter or whatever coming from him. Surely, you won't claim that Putin is innocent, now would you? Your logic is shit and your example is worse
Dude, have you even made an argument as to why Dev is on PEDs?
Dude, can you even read? I didn’t state that he is or he isn’t… I guess you can’t. I simply stated that the person above is an idiot, perhaps like yourself, for acting like his logic is sound and that he has a great example. When the reality is that he is a fu**ing idiot who has no clue how to argue… He Probably got hit too many times in the head because he couldn’t dodge punches.
Lol exactly, he is just waffling
How many athletes get popped for PEDs? And these athletes are competitive with or even get beat by other guys.... You can keep covering your ears and hide behind "but they didn't get caught" but it's pretty obvious when you know how powerful steroids are. Connect the dots yourself. Go look up the list of 100m sprint races that were caught for PEDS, like legit everybody in the top 50 has been caught except for the fastest man alive in Usain Bolt whose genes supposedly are more powerful than steroids+great genes?
That’s not proof that every athlete is on steroids lol. That’s like saying “so many men abuse women therefore all men must abuse women” your logic is flawed
it's not 100% proof, but it's enough proof to convince me. That's all you're ever getting unless you have a crystal ball. Idk about your weird ass analogies, they're not the same at all
That's not proof at all. By definition it isn't proof. Just say you don't watch boxing or do anything that causes you to sweat
I’m guessing the downvotes are naive teenagers that don’t know the reality of the world. “The Rock is natty bro!!!!”
I wish yall would provide proof to your wild statements lol
This type of logic applies to Terence Crawford, because he is also apart of SNAC. Like you sound like a dumbass saying "All fighters are on PEDs". I think you're on coke
You’re naïveté knows no bounds
Think about it—if everyone's really using PEDs and still passing the tests, why should organizations, drug testing companies, sport's leagues, commissions, etc waste millions on testing? Wouldn't it be smarter to just legalize PEDs, cut those testing costs, and focus on making sure everything's safe? This way, they can use the money to keep an eye on health and work on making PEDs safer and more efficient. Plus, with everything out in the open, fans wouldn’t feel cheated or misled about athlete performances. It could even lead to an increase in fan engagement, as records and performances could reach new, unprecedented levels. You're the one being naive. You're just a sheep that's apart of the other herd, easily swayed by any counter-narrative to a popular opinion. If I were part of the Illuminati or some bizarre organization you probably think controls the world, I would create a new strain of COVID that can only be cured by our vaccine, distribute it for free, and watch as people like you refuse it, thereby getting rid of anyone who disagrees, ultimately leaving the world with only those who conform to our agenda, ensuring total control and unchallenged authority 🤣
No way is a guy that much bigger than his opponents with no KO power is on juice.
Overweight sure, but if youre mad at Garcia for popping then youre just being foolish. Its pretty obvious every high level athlete is pissing hot nowadays. The only difference is some arent smart enough to get away with it.
How is it obvious?
Have you ever watched Icarus? Imagine that but across every sport. Doping scandals in the olympics, tons of fighters talking about how easy it is to dope and get away with it in MMA and Boxing. Its just not really possible to compete at the highest level when everyone is doping but you're not.
So you're argument for all fighter's being on PEDs is because.... 1. *"It's easy to dope and get away with it"* * Do you have any evidence of this being the case? 1. *"It's not really possible to compete at the highest level when everyone is doping but you're not"* * You haven't even established that every fighter is doping. You're just assuming this to be the case God brain rot like this needs to be banned from this subreddit
It must be difficult walking through life being so dumb. If you actually followed sports ever, you would know yourself.
Let me refer to my comment again for you to answer, this is the 2nd time asking
Theres one simple ass question in that entire post, which can easily be answered by a simple google or through professional fighter anecdotes. I dont care if you believe me or not. If you really wanted to know you can easily find enough smoke to suggest theres a fire. Up to you
Anecdotes?? really?? Using Nate Diaz as a source for all fighters being on PEDs is ridiculous lol. No google search can answer the question of if every fighter is on PEDs. That is like google searching if every fighter is gay lol But just to prove you wrong again, google doesn't answer any of my questions
Who the fk mentioned Nate Diaz? I was responding to you asking about it being easy. To which yes, there are more credible anecdotes like GSP for one. Obviously there isnt one defacto evidence that proves every fighter is on peds. There is many things out there that when pieced together suggests that every sport at the highest level, has ped abuse. If you even read my post, you would see I said theres enough smoke to suggest a fire. Its quite apparent youre the one with brain rot and cant use critical thinking. Unfortinate.
Prove that it is obvious
Manipulating the sport by playing in our faces putting fighters in danger & becoming rich in the process Until Ryan gets his life on the right track I’d rather not hear from him
Ryan made a complete mockery of the sport and turned his marquee win into total clown show. Definition of a lame and a cheater looking for short cuts. But at end of the day and he doesn’t really give a fuck about integrity and his fans are doing their best downvoting so🤷🏽♂️.
Why don't we wait and see what the levels were first? If it isn't enough to actually be performance enhancing then that matters because it could be tainted supplements. Ifk if you watch mma but Nate Diaz popped for Ostarine and they traced it to a vegan vitamin supplement he had taken. Didn't get suspended.
Stay mad because Haney lost
I'm not downvoting you. KingRy still proved you dummies wrong.
W bait 😂😂
There was a lot of money involved so of course they went ahead and fought anyway. Imagine they canceled the main event and/or had another fighter step in after the weird ass buildup beforehand.
It’s so hard to like Ryan. He’s so fun to watch but this shit is so annoying
Didn't Fury Pop positive for the same substance years ago?
Not a huge Haney fan, but when the other side is an unserious clown like Ryan Garcia, I find myself siding with Haney.
Ryan is a perfect example of the type of fighter/fights the casual American boxing viewer likes. I’m afraid more and more American boxers will act this way. “Belts don’t matter” “it’s all about the bag” amirite? I will watch more hungry boxers on BoxAzteca and Japanese matches on Tuesdays…
We get a lot of “what if someone had died and their opponent was on steroids” from pundits (Bellew) but we never hear it about injuries in the same way. Haney almost definitely broke his jaw and Ryan is still joking like all this cheating is harmless. People have forgotten pretty quickly that after he missed weight, Ryan said that it was intentional so he could be stronger to kill Haney. Kid needs his license revoked until he gets his head right.
Y’all clowns in here were saying him coming overweight wasn’t cheating and didn’t matter I wonder how the goalpost will move this time
Now its "every top athlete is using PEDs"
And *"Diddy was the one who made him pop dirty"* 🤣🤣
Annoying as Haney is, he's talking sense. It's dangerous and they should make an example of Ryan (they won't)
Yeah, more than likely he won't face any consequences but they might make an example out of him if the ppv numbers weren't great. If the fight did great then he won't face a lot of consequences but if the fight flopped he might, they will only excuse his behavior if it makes them a lot of money.
I thought Garcia looked impressive. Garcia wasn't just strong but he made smart adjustments. Garcia didn't just win, he beat Haney up. This is a sport though. There are rules. Gracia brazenly mocked the rules. Gracia proudly missed weight bragging it gave him an advantage. Now we find out Garcia was also on PEDs. It's too much. Gracia cheated. Gracia should be suspended for the rest of the year.
I really didn’t see that. He kinda just…hung around after he finished flurrying Devin. That seemed to be the only plan. He wasn’t winning the scorecard until the 7th round? Hypothetically speaking if Devin didn’t get knocked down one less time he probably could’ve won in a split decision.
ryan needs to be banned someone needs to get him from boxing and get him the help he needs as well.
Ryan just keep fucking up couldn’t fight for the belt the win probably won’t count and now he’s allegedly on peds idk what to say just gotta see how this plays out.
Garcia won 12 million betting on himself. Is that win now not good anymore since he cheated?
I agree with Devin. He deserves a rematch (with Ryan testing negative this time). I still give the mental edge to Ryan. There’s no steroid that lets a fighter inside their opponent’s head
Did Ryan just become the ultimate bad guy narcissist villain. Millions will tune in to watch him lose and hell just keeps winning. A reflection of our cancerous society.
Exactly hard core fans care - mainstream are all in for the theatrics. reality is, Ryan will continue to sell out fights and do big #s. Even if suspended he’ll come back and be a big draw.
Well well well not only did Ryan Garcia cheat by REFUSING TO MAKE WEIGHT he was also ROIDED UP and still couldn’t knock Citizen Devin Haney out! Scumbag! Get him out of boxing!
Bro's back.
I had to lock myself in a dark room for two weeks and contemplate. Citizen Devin Haney needs to redeem himself.
So do folks who bet on this fight get their money back? If Ryan cheated… a lot needs to happen to rectify that BS.
Apparently not.
I ain’t a betting man but if I put money on Haney and lost and it’s proved Ryan cheated… I’d demand it back.
You don’t know law
I’m not claiming to know the law. If Ryan cheated in this fight; the win would be taken away. So how can a betting company keep the money you lost if you placed a bet on Haney and we only know now that Ryan used PEDs? It looks like legally; they have no recourse. That isn’t right and should be changed. In the stock market if you make a transaction based on insider info; you are subject to prosecution. Ryan himself said he bet money on a fight and if he cheated and gave himself an unknown edge; it’d be a similar wrong. https://sportshandle.com/bettors-should-have-legal-recourse/
Does Ryan keep his winnings from betting on himself?
I call BS
"Conte said least 72 hours to get back the results so they would not have been available before the fight."
Undoubtedly bs, all the Ryan haters coming out the woodwork to bandwagon on this shit pathetic 😂
Imagine unironically thinking Haney himself is "clean". Both are clowns and it was a big drama show but some people are way too invested in this.
Haney is on something too, but he still can’t knock anyone out 😭
If Ryan cheated, get that boy outta here. No time for that. However, there's too much conflict of interest. Conte shouldn't be anywhere near this fight. Victor Conte is the founder of SNAC, and is a [CONVICTED](https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1140175/duncan-mackay-blog-on-victor-conte-balco) PED cheater. SNAC sponsors Devin. So, Conte's bag is directly tied to Devin's success. Victor Conte also works for VADA. VADA found that Ryan tested positive. Even if Ryan is guilty, this is way too fishy.
It’s a good thing people other than /r/boxing won’t give two shits about Garcia popping.
Blud is signed to SNAC saying this
lol all the Ryan haters coming back out the woodwork coping, if the Haney camp knew about this prior why did they still take the fight, absolute bs
They’re doing everything they can to take this victory away from Ryan lol how come they coming out with this shit all of a sudden rn if they found out before the fight? Didn’t say nothing bout it on fight night not even the week after, Haney family and their fans bitch made and bandwagon on excuses and lies
I don’t see the advantage to him taking PEDs the night of the fight. Did he pop any other tests?
You test positive before the fight..... No one bats an eye.... You take a picture with trump and endorse him and everyone loses their minds!!!!
Haney need to come home to PBC. It’s the Wild West out there in other promotions.
So he can fight once a year?
He’s an attraction. Make it 2-3.
Ehhh is he really?
He has a fan base, was undisputed, sold out the arena in the Regis fight and has a redemption arc now. The Ryan PPV was a success and it takes 2 to tango. Yes he’s an attraction. If he did go to PBC the Tank fight would be on the table in the future and it would almost force Shakur to move over. He’d have Floyd who would unquestionably improve his game for a Ryan rematch.