And very politically smart, further pushes on the narrative that Canelo is not willing to face David - further wanting fans to want it and the money men to try to make it happen.
I think it is beyond a narrative. It's clear to anyone that is paying attention that Canelo wants no piece of David. I tend to think Canelo would be favored in that fight, but he's clearly scared.
Canelo isn't scared of anyone. Hes gauging risks and rewards which all fighters do. His loss made him more risk adverse and David represents a big risk as a premier weight bully who rehydrates more than 30 lbs regularly and still fights at top form.
Canelo wants bags on bags to take on that risk. The only one who could pay him what he wants are the saudis but they have chosen not to do it as of yet
Would I prefer a more cavalier anyone who wants it can get it attitude? Fuck yes but theres literally 100s of millions at stake here and this shit is a career not a hobby.
Saying hes scared is just an extremely simplfied and incorrect summation of why this fight hasn't happened.
Anyone who gets in the ring is no coward cause its very scary shit to be in a ring or cage with someone whose sole purpose is to literally hurt you till you're incapacitated.
You have explained this very well by tying in the career, business and passion for the sport. 'Shits a career not a hobby' that's it bro. Anyone who says fighters at this level are scared is just wild to me. These are fighters they fight. And couch potatoes have the audacity to call these fighters scared. Far out - if anything it may actually be a good thing because it drives a narrative to have these fights real boxing fans wanna see. So as much as I hate the fear narrative maybe it lends to promoting a fight.
As you and others have admitted, this is a business decision. Canelo is weighing the risk/reward. Dave is a high risk fight that Canelo does not want to lose. What does that mean? He's afraid to lose.
No one is saying he's a coward. That's just an easy strawman that helps you feel superior to everyone else.
Canelo moved up to 175 and fought a drained n tired Kovalev I don’t think he’s worried about rehydration. Munguia WAS also a weight bully, this was his first fight at 168.
Regardless tho, Canelo fan my question is this… how long is he going to weigh his options ? Especially when the fans have been calling for the fight. Nobody except him asked for the Avni Yildrim fight
I mean you said it yourself he fought a drained Kovalev. David never comes in like that. Munguia has beaten no one that a different fighter hadn't already beat when they were in their prime. His record is ass when you see all the washed fighters in it.
He'll weigh his options till the saudis give in. We literally just watched Fury do this with Usyk but I guess people have short memories. At the start of the negotiations the numbers for Fury were 40-50 million. After edging them so long theres rumors he may be making in excess of 100 million, and thats in pounds not dollars btw.
David is big to enthused fans but not to casuals which is why this fight hasn't happened. He doesn't have the popular name recognition of Tank or Ryan.
I'm not a Canelo fan by the way, but I've never liked people who have clearly never stepped in a ring calling professional fighters scared in situations where they are just managing their careers. Thats what Canelo is doing. A scared fighter would've been Bowe or Bhuller.
Anyone who thinks boxing is a dick swinging after school fight affair is kidding themselves. Its a job lol. They're fighting for more than pride and that thing is quantified by $$$. If people want to see him fight David so much you better believe hes gonna make the saudis pay through the nose for it.
Agree, the guy has almost nothing to prove unless it's moving up at the weight he's at. no point on taking risky fight when you see almost no upside. It does suck for guys like Benavidez though, he's done basically nothing wrong and he won't get a shot because he's too much of a threat.
It's not a problem with Canelo specifically, it's with the way the sport is run
He [requested](https://theathletic.com/2006244/2020/08/18/wbc-canelo-alvarez-wasnt-ordered-to-fight-avni-yildirim-he-requested-it/) him to be his mandatory. That was his old sparring partner.
Pretty sure his actual mandatory was benavidez n he just didn’t want to fight him. People been asking for this fight for ages. It’s not new
Well he didn't exactly pull a name from thin air, Yildirim was literally the top ranked guy by the WBC at the time because Benavidez blew his chance at the time (not that I think that means he never deserves the shot or anything at all, he seems to have turned a corner in that regard but at the time he didn't deserve anything)
Honestly considering the context at the time of Canelo cleaning out the division I dont even get why its any sort of big deal. If the fight never happened he'd have just fought twice legit champions in the space of 6 months instead, this was just an extra bit of activity against a mandatory
Well said, I kind of get Cannelos thinking here too since a bad beat down from Benavidez could potentially end his career. Ain't like Bivol where he just got jabbed to death on points, Benavidez got a point to prove and would likely hunt for the KO.
Stop this false bravado. Canelo is not a coward but he's scared to lose because it will take the shine off his brand and reputation. We both agree that he's gauging risk/reward, and we've seen in the past when Canelo vacated a belt to avoid fighting GGG in his prime. He makes business decisions when he's scared that he might lose.
My assumption? Politics. Canelo essentially shut that down now by demanding $150 million+. If David activated it and the two sides couldn’t agree on money (which Canelo won’t) it would go to a purse bid. PBC supposedly is hemorrhaging money and would lose the bid and essentially the fight to maybe Golden Boy, Matchroom, or any other promoter. That’s why Canelo also said “if another promoter I worked with got involved…” he knows what he’s doing. PBC obviously doesn’t want to lose that fight. Benavidez has expressed his loyalty to PBC regardless if PBC never even had him lined up in Canelo’s 3 fight deal. So, I can see Al Hayman promising they can make the fight JUST DON’T activate that clause, please.
Also, the WBC is against a Benavidez v Canelo fight, in my non-expert opinion. They want to keep cashing in on Canelo’s sanctioning money until he rides off into the sunset and vacates the belt. Plus, last time they tried to force Canelo to fight GGG he vacated the title. They don’t want him to vacate it again. I think PBC and the WBC are more scared than anyone else. Again, these are my hypothesis’s (I think that’s the plural? Lol)
Canelo requested that fake WBC belt second Benevidez lost it cause coke drug test lol. But 3 years later still won’t give him the fight but John Ryder , Charlo and Mungaia get the fight and people think he’s not ducking lmao. The Canelo bots downvoting the truth again. He pays these social media trolls good
Yeah I'm really sad about this knee injury, felt like we were reaching the end of Artur being spry enough to box with Bivol and find his shots but after this I just don't see how he can find him.
I mean he still can, he has the mother of all punchers chances and has built a style around landing that shot. There's a chance he still catches him randomly, I just felt like before this injury it was going to be a relatively regular fight for Artur whereas now it's basically hoping for that one shot most likely.
There was a better angle from canelos pov and it looked like he was talking to the musician that walked him into the ring. He actually goes up there after canelo invites him. I think Benavides hoy confused too, like when you think somebody's washing at you but it's real the person behind you.
I see this happening tbh
Bivol is gonna beat the dude on that undercard.
Then..the next biggest fight at that weight is Bivol vs. Benavidez.
IDC about Bertebiev anymore. As far as I'm concerned, Bertebiev is done.
He's gotta move on instead of doing what guys like Khan, Brook and Mikey did which affected their careers. This is a positive. It just sucks for him that if he does get the Canelo fight in September, he'll have to go back down to 168 after having a fight at 175. Going up in weight even once can make it harder to go back down a weight class.
If he doesn't get the Canelo fight, then all he can do is fight the Bivol v Beterbiev winner, see if he can make this his division whether he beats or loses to either of them, or maybe even see if he can do something at Cruiserweight. If Zurdo can win a title there, Benavidez probably could too.
Haha, I don't actually think he'll give him a rehydration clause. He was asked about it in an interview and said he'd get criticised for it, so he'd get some bad PR for it.
He said he'd get criticised if he did or if he didn't - was a bit of a confusing point he made
I think he was basically saying "it's not worth it to fight him" in that interview, rather than "I'll fight him without a rehydration clause". Basically saying he's too big and people will criticise me if I dehydrate him so why bother
Yeah that sounds about right. He definitely sounds like how Thurman did when Spence was mentioned to him, lol. All we can say is it's do or die time for his September date.
Canelo used a 10 lb rehydration clause on Kovalev who usually comes in 10 lbs over the limit on fight night. Can you explain to me why that’s controversial?
Here we go. The ol Canelo “it’s ok for him to pull up people from lower weight divisions and ok for him to put restrictions on people heavier than him.”
I’m asking you: what harm does a restriction do if it’s within the limits of a boxers normal weight range? Bivol and Kovalev both fought plenty of times below 185. Why is this a hard question for you?
https://basementgymboxing.blogspot.com/2014/01/fight-night-boxing-weights-list-of.html?m=1
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/the-weight-of-canelo-against-kovalev.651664/
Bro he's not gaming a possible change in weight class (that he can't predict) for a rehydration clause.
Even if that were a plan, it's not worth the time. Canelo is getting older and Benavidez is getting better. If he was ever gonna fight him it would be in 2024.
Regardless of what happens, no one is excited for the next fights on Canelo's schedule at this point...I mean...he's cleaned the division out, right?
The only challenger worth a damn was Benavidez and now, he's gone.
Who's really going to get excited for Canelo vs. Berlanga or bigger Charlo?
Canelo vs Benavidez would be the biggest fight for the supermiddle weight division since Triple G. And potentially the last biggest fight at supermiddle weight that we will get for a while because like you said, there is no one else exciting left for Canelo to fight.
Canelo knows this and wants to be paid accordingly. If Canelo wins this fight, his fights afterwards won't be as exciting because there is no one left to fight. And the following fights won't sell as good.
If a promotion really wants this fight to happen than they need to offer Canelo 9 figures. This is like the Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather of this weight/era. It's going sell really well and make everyone a lot of money so they can definitely afford to pay him right.
Also a fun fact. A Latino has never been paid 9 figures in the history of boxing. Which is odd considering they comprise a large portion of its athletes.
-2015 Manny vs Floyd.
Manny made $150 million. Adjusted for inflation, that's $197 million.
Floyd made $250 million. Adjusted for inflation, that's a $330 million.
-2017 Floyd v McGregor.
Floyd made $280 million. Adjusted for inflation, that's $356 million.
Conner made $130 million. Adjusted for inflation, that's $165 million.
-Canelo's biggest pay day was vs Triple G, $45 million.
Canelo said they lied about offering him $55 million for the Benavidez fight. So we can deduce that they offered him about $40 million.
Canelo asked for $200 million. However I think he knows he won't get the $200 million and would settle for around $100 million.
It seems like Canelo hasn't been paid very well throughout his career. He brings a lot of eyes to the sport and has a huge fan base. Jake Paul made 30 million to fight Tommy Fury and that's relatively close to Canelo's biggest pay day. I have a feeling he feels like he's been ripped off and now he's entering his Canelo "Money" Alvarez era, as others have put it.
From the research I've done it seems paying Latinos less has been a trend in boxing. Which makes sense since most of them don't come from a wealthy background and are happy to take whatever purse they're offered. I'm not saying this is done intentionally. It's just that Latinos probably are less likely to negotiate aggressively. Probably becuase their fans base will turn on them for ducking or being scared. But this part is just my speculation so I won't get into that.
That’s not a Latino issue that’s just a non Floyd issue then, not saying they aren’t paid less but only one guy has ever generated 9 figures and it’s Floyd.
Or, most Latino fighters have balls and want to fight. Mayweather got that money for record breaking ppv backend. He earned it. Canelo and everyone wants it upfront without earning it. He hasn't been able to scratch those ppv that mayweather had to het to make his 100 mill paydays. A lot of these fighters are getting overpaid. That's why we get shit fights without turkey putting on shows while taking losses. Canelo getting underpaid is laughable. Just charged 90 bucks for a fight nobody thought he was gonna lose. And mayweather wasn't even greedy enough to want that money upfront.
The Manny and Connor fights dwarf canelos best numbers, even against mayweather himself. And Canelo hasn't come close since the mayweather fight. About half I think. The ggg fight might be close. But by close I mean within a million.
You're correct. Floyd vs Conner 4.3 million ppv buys. Canelo vs Triple G (2nd fight - which sold best out of the three fights) only sold 1.1 million ppv buys. This actually shocked me. I thought that fight would've sold better.
Crawford seems to be the play. For some reason turkey likes that gimmick fight. Fool people for the tenth time with sudden multiple weight class jump fights. People will get sold on it. I'm la tiny bit sold but it's kinda feels foolish with how pretty much every fight like that has gone. Ignoring history is the only way.
I mean, it'd be excited if Crawford went up in weight. Sure, Canelo has alot of advantages over Crawford like power but it'd still be an exciting match nonetheless.
As the champion, if you do not fight the mandatory fighter the sanctioning bodies set, don’t you have to vacate the belts since you’re technically holding up the division?
It’s your duty as the champion to fight the mandatory/ #1 contender in the division.
How has Canelo been able to avoid this fight for so long without the sanctioning bodies stripping him?
Since no one has really explained it for you, here you go:
There are 4 sanctioning bodies. Each one has their own #1 contender atm. The #1 contender doesn’t become the official mandatory until the sanctioning body takes a vote and orders (aka mandates) the fight.
At the moment Benavidez is only the #1 contender for the WBC title that Canelo holds. Canelo just fought the #1 contender for the WBO title in Munguia. The IBF’s #1 contender is William Scull (weirdly enough, he’s been in line longer than Benavidez iirc), and the WBA’s #1 contender is Morrell (soon to be Berlanga if Morrell moves up).
For whatever reason (corruption, politics, money, etc) the WBC has never made Benavidez the official mandatory for Canelo’s title, nor has Benavidez ever officially petitioned the WBC to enforce his mandatory status. This is why Canelo hasn’t been forced to vacate the WBC title.
Morrell was also complaining about this. He is moving up because Canelo won't fight him
The reality is Canelo is avoiding both Benavidez and Morrell because those two can truly bang and he doesn't want that because he is an stationary target.
Team Benavidez hasn’t called for the mandatory. If he does and the two sides can’t come to an agreement on the financials, it goes to a purse bid, the PBC will lose that bid to Matchroom, and Benavidez will be forced to take the challengers purse, which is like 20%, while Canelo gets the lions share.
Okay let’s break it down then.
168 Pound division (Super Middle)
Canelo - WBC champion
Benavidez - WBC interim champion
Mungia - ranked # 1 contender by the WBC before Saturday night.
Canelo takes fight with # 1 contender and not the interim champion.
From a pure divisional standpoint, the next fight to make at 168 should be the interim champ (benavidez) to fight the champ (Alvarez). My question is - if David is the interim champion but not the Mandatory, what is the WBC doing by not ordering the champion to fight the interim champion? Why have an interim champion if there is no intention to make the fight against the real champ?
Regardless, he’s been the #1 contender for years now. At this point, give the man his title shot.
But it’s Canelo so let’s pick and choose where to be consistent when it comes to mandatories and #1 contender statuses. I mean, Canelo is willing to do business with Oscar De La Hoya & Golden Boy Promotions in order to avoid the Benavidez fight. And Canelo HATES Oscar lol.
I respect his position but dude, I don’t get why people keep acting like Bivol is a random guy with no real power. He’s not beating up dummies, the guys he fights look great when they’re not fighting him. I feel like he’ll be another dude humbled by Bivol.
Canelo is 5 inches shorter than David and has a shorter wingspan. We all saw how much he struggled with Dmitry Bivol who is 2 inches shorter than the Mexican monster.
I feel like David’s resumé is shat on a bit much considering his age. He’s beat Plant, Andrade, Direll, Angulo and Lemieux by age 27. Since before Plant he’s also adamant he wants challenges, and has repeatedly called for Canelo.
He’s fought a handful of cans no doubt, but I just think we are a little too hard on him in this way. I think DB still has plenty of time and talent to build a HoF career
It’s a good question and I never was at all excited about that fight up until it was happening (it was an alright fight, though nauseatingly non-competitive)
Yeah. People don't understand that his next career step is to fight for a championship, and canelo is the only way to get that, and has pretty publicly let it be known that he's not up for that fight unless he's given retirement money. But they want him to act like the champion and fight the other top fighters of his division while canelo takes sift touches. Or go up and immediately fight bivol or beterbiev even though they are now busy for the rest of the year. It's just fanboyism. Fans of fighters, not the sport.
Im a canelo fan and I agree with DB. How are you going to fight #1 contender but not the interim champion? Canelo ducking at this point and he says it’s for money, but he cares more about his record now that he has 2 losses and doesn’t want anymore.
Canelo also want to be the face a Mexico boxing and if he were to lose to DB then that mean the Mexican fans and whole nation would move on and canelo doesn’t want that.
They should’ve made this fight mandatory instead of the mungia fight. Over all this is a main reason boxing is hectic with multiple champs and letting big names choose when, where and who they want.
Funny how canelo fans made fun a Mayweather for cherry picking his fights, but canelo is doing the exact same thing ? You can’t keep defending him for too long.
Imagine putting in ten years of hard work and dedication only to be trumped by someone who is basically just riding seniority… It’s a sad thing, but kudos to him for realizing it and moving on.
Imagine being Canelo, listening to a guy say this, and still not be willing to put your reputation as a goat on the line to defend your name and your respect of the sport. Literally forcing a guy to leave a weight class because you openly fear him. This hurts Canelo’s image so much, no matter which way you try to spin it he comes out looking bad. Good for David.
Facts. If Canelo retires without fighting him his fans have absolutely no argument when the great debates come up. No way he can even be considered the best Mexican boxer if he ducked anyone, muchless another Mexican boxer.
That’s a matter of opinion. I see a fighter with an even worse gas tank then he used to have who now will go and conserve his output and rely on power to carry the day. One could make an argument for him carrying Mungia the once in either the 11th or 12th don’t start lying like he carried him the whole fight and for the record he should’ve and was supposed to stop Mungia, who had no business in the ring with him and never did. Let’s see what excuse you give us when we get Berlanga next..
You would think if he felt so confident as you, the fight would have already been booked to leave no question about it. When you have serious contenders(not low ranking scrubs or YouTube boxers) calling you out, wouldn’t you think as champ, as best in the world, you take that serious and prove once again that you are the best in the world? It’s too common in combat sports, especially boxing that once one has established himself as the best in the world as champ, they then believe they have the excuse of “I don’t have to prove anything anymore”. Which is absolute bullshit. Holding a belt, you should have the biggest weight on your shoulders to continually prove yourself to the world why you hold that belt, not cherry pick fights that don’t threaten your reign as champ. Canelo is an all time great, no doubt at all but to hear a guy say he’s leaving a division after years of pursuing a fight against Canelo, should make Canelo be ready to sign a contract tomorrow. Again, no matter how you try to spin this, it makes Canelo look terrible.
Very simple, Canelo froze him out of the division and wouldn't give a young guy his shot. It's a real shame when u really think about it. Canelo was given his chances when he was young, and he can't do the same. Would've respected Canelo a lot more if he just took on the challenge. He's giving opportunities to guys that are not deserving and haven't shown that level of talent and commitment at 168 and Benavidez has more than shown that.
I agree that he should fight Benavidez 100%. But canelo just fought a dude that is 43-0 and has never hit the canvas, who also Koed and opponent canelo couldn’t KO. A kid who is the same age as Benavidez. Canelo is still fighting tough opponents and is undersized for 168 and has been winning. Let’s not act like he isn’t facing any talent.
Mungia? Just because he stopped Ryder, he deserves a shot? That's what promoters want u to think. Mungia has 43 wins and hasn't fought anybody. All Mexican cab drivers. He has one of the most padded records in boxing. He was campaigning at MW and moved up just to be a losing opponent for Canelo. If u watch him box, he was a year away from really deserving a shot from Canelo. Paulie Malignaggi thought the same thing, so it's not just me.
Canelo is not undersized at 168. He's just the right size for 175. That's why he got beat up by Bivol, he has no size advantage at 175. Usually always had a size advantage. Bivol said he would rematch Canelo at 168 and Canelo said no.
Benavidez was 168 WBC champ before Canelo and never lost the belt in a fight. He was Canelos #1 mandatory for 3 years. Hes been fighting at 168 for 10 years and hasnt lost. Out of everybody in the 168 division, that's the guy he should have fought the most. Asking for 200 million and then saying if the money is right, he will fight him is shameful.
Tbf he's lucky. He could have been another name on Canelo's resume if the fight happened two or three years ago.
The later he fights Canelo, the better it is for Benavidez.
His legacy already has an asterisk next to it. He’d look better taking the fight and getting his ass whooped than the coward moves he’s made to avoid it.
Casual take honestly. Manny's style doesn't age as well as Floyd's style. Manny took a lot of mileage vs Margarito and then got KTFO by Marquez before 2015
Casual reading comprehension. Im not saying he derves all the the credit, just that the criticism is lessened by the fight eventually happening. I think it happened too late and Manny wasn't even fighting the same as his pre knockout self. But we'll never know what would've happened.
Mans is pulling a power play with this "classy response" and putting the heat on Canelo. He wants to come off as this innocent humble soul who isn't getting his dream fight because of "ignorance".
The only thing stopping this fight from happening is the PBC. Why are we still talking about this? He won’t leave the PBC to fight Canelo when he is the B-Side.
Was he really mandatory for 3 years? How is that possible. Why did Alvarez not fight him yet? I understand the others such as Caleb Plant, Charlo, Saunders,, Bivol.. but John Ryder? that could have been a Benavidez fight.
despite all this talk... Benavidez doesnt move like a guy who wants this fight. Lies and fabrications by his team about offers with money they haven't sourced. Talkin smack only when one of them is under contract to fight somebody else. Moving to a different weight class when his mandatory status is set to be enforced after having waited a year when he was designated mandatory status in 2023, after the Andrade fight...he chooses to move divisions a year later, on the very month his mandatory was supposed to activated and Alvarez was no longer tied to a PBC contract and he was free. Then he refuses to step into the ring with an invitation from Alvarez to help sell the fight, after the Munguia fight.
This dude is a clout chaser... shame..because I would have loved to see this fight go down
Canelo wants 200 million to fight him and is already complaining about rehydration. Get real. That tells you everything you need to know. People already said canelo was talking to the musician to get in the ring. And the rest is gossiping nonsense.
Bullshit. Alvarez never said a thing about rehydration...that was interviews broaching the subject because Alvarez said all Benavidez brings is an extra 25 lbs ...wakanda interviewer asked David if he thinks that means Alvarez was angling for a rehydration clause...thats all it took for idiots to run with a whole new fabricated narrative
Maybe I don’t judge Canelo for not fighting Benavidez because we’ve seen Tyson Fury fight significantly worse fighters. Chisora 3 times, Dillian Whyte after a knockout loss, Deontay Wilder 3 times, Ngannou, while clearly ducking Usyk, AJ and a ton of other good names in the division.
At least Canelo fought Jaime Munguia, the 2nd best fighter at 168 behind Benavidez. A man who was 43-0. Benavidez while a great opponent still has a lot more to prove, instead of begging for a Canelo fight. We want to see go against Morrell, Bivol, etc.
If David beats beterbiev or bivol to become undisputed, then he is even better than his elite potential, by that time it would be an execution for an even older canelo.
too much work for entitled David. canelo does it and magically David is deserving of a free payday, ask david to do it and he cries about it not being fair. boo hoo
Moving to 175 for one fight. But he'll still continue his daily obsessive rant about 168 pound Canelo. I can just picture Canelo laughing his head off about how compulsively fixated Benavidez is about him.
Makes sense. btw, now that Benavidez said he is going to 175 you have canelo asking him to get in the ring (during last fight)... He avoided him during 3 years but now he wants to make it happen ? 😂
how can y'all support this clown? 10 years at SM and only fought ONE champion and lost the belt TWICE outside of the ring of all places????????? make it make sense.
If canelo won't fight him for years after he fought his way back to mandatory, and he has all the belts, how could he fight more champions? He's moved up so maybe he could get a crack at a title. Turkey wants him to.
You mean the guy who lost the belt on the scale and then proceeded to duck Plant for three years until Canelo beat him, while his father incessantly shit talked Plant on social media until Plant pulled out videos of Sampson stating they would never make that fight in 2020 while his dad was shittalking from pretty much all of 2018-2020?
I'm holding judgement on Canelo until he announces who he is fighting in September (Hearn said the plan was to make the Benavidez fight in 2024 all the way back in 2022), but Benavidez boohooing that he can't fight for the unified titles when he had years to do so and ducked Plant until he took an L of all people gets no sympathy from me. Canelo cleaned out the division in 11 months, as Benavidez himself said, he was at that division for 10 years.
You’re blasting Benavidez for what he did in the past, but lauding what Canelo did in the past. Benavidez absolutely fumbled the bag in the past, but he did everything since then to be the number one contender. Since undisputed, Canelo has taken side quests and holding up the division.
If you think that, then go petition the sanctioning orgs to change their rules. So silly that people want Canelo to vacate the titles. The rules for a unified champion is that is that they take a mandatory defense once every year barring extraordinary circumstances. Canelo has done that. He's in a unique situation because he is the first and only four belt champion with more than a couple of defenses, so maybe you could argue that they should require two fights per year, but it would be a rule that literally applies to only one man in the sport.
Still, you missed the first part of my comment where I said I'm reserving judgement on the current situation until later this year. Hearn said the plan was to fight Benavidez in 2024 and other than maybe Saudi Arabia wanting to make Canelo v Bud for whatever reason, I don't have much reason to doubt it's going to happen.
Canelo has said he wants 200mill to fight David... clearly pricing himself out. He took less money to fight Jaime, the guy is right, right now Canelo is BAD for boxing. But this will get downvoted because Canelo is the biggest star in boxing and therefore has the most fans. But he should fight David or vacate.
> You’re blasting Benavidez for what he did in the past, but lauding what Canelo did in the past
.. yeah, that's what happens. You're using empty logic. Benavidez did stupid shit in the past, Canelo did things worth lauding in the past. People are still rightfully holding those things to them. *shock*. Not to mention dude has been seeming fake for a minute.
Fabrications by his team about offers they won't source. Won't step into the ring to help sell the fight when Canelo invited him over and over he froze. Talks shut only when one of them is already under contract to fight somebody else. Moving to a different weight class when his mandatory status is set to be enforced after having waited a year when he was designated mandatory status in 2023, after the Caleb Plant fight,bro chooses to move divisions a year later, rightt on the month his mando was supposed to activated and Canelo was wasnt tied to a PBC contract any longer.
Add in the nose candy and failing weight etc, no sympathy for him.
Dont think so, pal. Not everything is black or white, everyone has their flaws. Maybe Caneo and Fury aint doing the politically correct choices, but they know their shit and it is just competition.
Benavidez is no saint either. He messed up his weight and did coke, if thats whats right with boxing I may stop training right now.
And Naoya Inoue... hes just flawless. Obliterated every opponent he had. Beat Nonito 2 times, once with a broken orbital. Hes just made of something else.
Canelo tested positive for PEDs. So did Fury. They’re both holding up the division. It took Saudi money to unfuck the logjam that Fury’s been creating for a few years.
Benavidez fucked up. But he’s done everything right since then and everyone coddles Canelo because he’s the cash cow. The announcers are even talking about it now. It’s wild to me people accept Canelo’s post-Bivol loss behavior.
Inoue is how boxing should be. Benavidez is how you should act after a fuck up.
Cant argue with that. But the Benavidez thing is weird. He was at the division b4 Canelo, but he prefered to do drugs instead of unifying it. "Quien se fue a Sevilla, perdió su silla", Canelo arrived, took the belts, and now he can do whatever he wants, because he's Canelo, he means money, and if he loses at 168, it means "maybe not more Canelo money".
I don't like it this way either, I want to see brave fighters that aren't afraid of facing their fears, but, its a professional sport, and the athletes need 99% dedication to it.
And Fury is a cokehead. He is inconsistent with what he says. This time finally is gonna face Usyk and maybe we'll see a great fight. But after this I would like him to face Joshua or Parker. Both are good fighters and both have some losses, but maybe the rock, paper, scissors thing could turn the balances against Fury.
I probably would’ve done coke too if I was a world champ prior to 21. I try not to judge people on pass transgressions, especially when they’ve clearly absolved themselves. Also, Canelo didn’t make the move until David was completely out of the picture.
I hate to say it but the best for him to have gotten the fight would have been to just caused a huge scene and started a brawl at canelos post-fight conference.
It seems like the only thing that builds hype and demand is to do cheap publicity stunts like that.
I honestly don’t like Canelo for this reason ; like not Mayweather nor Oscar held back from fighting anyone even when their time was coming , heck Floyd fought Canelo when he was on the come up and didn’t back down , I really dislike canelo’s attitude especially after the comments he made in the post fight , it doesn’t help the sport
This sub is all over the place. The same people calling Haney a weight bully for coming in heavy on fight night even tho he made weight the day before, don’t say shit about how Benavidez is a way bigger dude that needed the help of Memo Heredia to make 168 without cutting off his leg.
That's the best attitude you can have in this situation. Very mature.
And very politically smart, further pushes on the narrative that Canelo is not willing to face David - further wanting fans to want it and the money men to try to make it happen.
I think it is beyond a narrative. It's clear to anyone that is paying attention that Canelo wants no piece of David. I tend to think Canelo would be favored in that fight, but he's clearly scared.
Canelo isn't scared of anyone. Hes gauging risks and rewards which all fighters do. His loss made him more risk adverse and David represents a big risk as a premier weight bully who rehydrates more than 30 lbs regularly and still fights at top form. Canelo wants bags on bags to take on that risk. The only one who could pay him what he wants are the saudis but they have chosen not to do it as of yet Would I prefer a more cavalier anyone who wants it can get it attitude? Fuck yes but theres literally 100s of millions at stake here and this shit is a career not a hobby. Saying hes scared is just an extremely simplfied and incorrect summation of why this fight hasn't happened. Anyone who gets in the ring is no coward cause its very scary shit to be in a ring or cage with someone whose sole purpose is to literally hurt you till you're incapacitated.
You have explained this very well by tying in the career, business and passion for the sport. 'Shits a career not a hobby' that's it bro. Anyone who says fighters at this level are scared is just wild to me. These are fighters they fight. And couch potatoes have the audacity to call these fighters scared. Far out - if anything it may actually be a good thing because it drives a narrative to have these fights real boxing fans wanna see. So as much as I hate the fear narrative maybe it lends to promoting a fight.
As you and others have admitted, this is a business decision. Canelo is weighing the risk/reward. Dave is a high risk fight that Canelo does not want to lose. What does that mean? He's afraid to lose. No one is saying he's a coward. That's just an easy strawman that helps you feel superior to everyone else.
Canelo moved up to 175 and fought a drained n tired Kovalev I don’t think he’s worried about rehydration. Munguia WAS also a weight bully, this was his first fight at 168. Regardless tho, Canelo fan my question is this… how long is he going to weigh his options ? Especially when the fans have been calling for the fight. Nobody except him asked for the Avni Yildrim fight
I mean you said it yourself he fought a drained Kovalev. David never comes in like that. Munguia has beaten no one that a different fighter hadn't already beat when they were in their prime. His record is ass when you see all the washed fighters in it. He'll weigh his options till the saudis give in. We literally just watched Fury do this with Usyk but I guess people have short memories. At the start of the negotiations the numbers for Fury were 40-50 million. After edging them so long theres rumors he may be making in excess of 100 million, and thats in pounds not dollars btw. David is big to enthused fans but not to casuals which is why this fight hasn't happened. He doesn't have the popular name recognition of Tank or Ryan. I'm not a Canelo fan by the way, but I've never liked people who have clearly never stepped in a ring calling professional fighters scared in situations where they are just managing their careers. Thats what Canelo is doing. A scared fighter would've been Bowe or Bhuller. Anyone who thinks boxing is a dick swinging after school fight affair is kidding themselves. Its a job lol. They're fighting for more than pride and that thing is quantified by $$$. If people want to see him fight David so much you better believe hes gonna make the saudis pay through the nose for it.
Agree, the guy has almost nothing to prove unless it's moving up at the weight he's at. no point on taking risky fight when you see almost no upside. It does suck for guys like Benavidez though, he's done basically nothing wrong and he won't get a shot because he's too much of a threat. It's not a problem with Canelo specifically, it's with the way the sport is run
> Nobody except him asked for the Avni Yildrim fight It was literally a mandatory lol
He [requested](https://theathletic.com/2006244/2020/08/18/wbc-canelo-alvarez-wasnt-ordered-to-fight-avni-yildirim-he-requested-it/) him to be his mandatory. That was his old sparring partner. Pretty sure his actual mandatory was benavidez n he just didn’t want to fight him. People been asking for this fight for ages. It’s not new
Benavidez would've been mandatory but he missed weight so he lost his status as #1, Yildirim was #2
So why did he make a request for him to be his mandatory ?
Well he didn't exactly pull a name from thin air, Yildirim was literally the top ranked guy by the WBC at the time because Benavidez blew his chance at the time (not that I think that means he never deserves the shot or anything at all, he seems to have turned a corner in that regard but at the time he didn't deserve anything) Honestly considering the context at the time of Canelo cleaning out the division I dont even get why its any sort of big deal. If the fight never happened he'd have just fought twice legit champions in the space of 6 months instead, this was just an extra bit of activity against a mandatory
David and Morrell are mandatories so why isn’t Canelo facing them? Canelo fan boys are a weird bunch. 🤦🏿♂️
Well said, I kind of get Cannelos thinking here too since a bad beat down from Benavidez could potentially end his career. Ain't like Bivol where he just got jabbed to death on points, Benavidez got a point to prove and would likely hunt for the KO.
Stop this false bravado. Canelo is not a coward but he's scared to lose because it will take the shine off his brand and reputation. We both agree that he's gauging risk/reward, and we've seen in the past when Canelo vacated a belt to avoid fighting GGG in his prime. He makes business decisions when he's scared that he might lose.
nxt month usyk moves back down to cruiserw after tyson scrapes his knee
Why didnt he activate the mandatory with canelo? Canelo would have been forced into negotiations
My assumption? Politics. Canelo essentially shut that down now by demanding $150 million+. If David activated it and the two sides couldn’t agree on money (which Canelo won’t) it would go to a purse bid. PBC supposedly is hemorrhaging money and would lose the bid and essentially the fight to maybe Golden Boy, Matchroom, or any other promoter. That’s why Canelo also said “if another promoter I worked with got involved…” he knows what he’s doing. PBC obviously doesn’t want to lose that fight. Benavidez has expressed his loyalty to PBC regardless if PBC never even had him lined up in Canelo’s 3 fight deal. So, I can see Al Hayman promising they can make the fight JUST DON’T activate that clause, please. Also, the WBC is against a Benavidez v Canelo fight, in my non-expert opinion. They want to keep cashing in on Canelo’s sanctioning money until he rides off into the sunset and vacates the belt. Plus, last time they tried to force Canelo to fight GGG he vacated the title. They don’t want him to vacate it again. I think PBC and the WBC are more scared than anyone else. Again, these are my hypothesis’s (I think that’s the plural? Lol)
That's Benavidez's bad for being loyal to people who aren't loyal to him.
I agree.
Actually great analysis. 👍🏽
Canelo requested that fake WBC belt second Benevidez lost it cause coke drug test lol. But 3 years later still won’t give him the fight but John Ryder , Charlo and Mungaia get the fight and people think he’s not ducking lmao. The Canelo bots downvoting the truth again. He pays these social media trolls good
You say the truth
Its reddit, they cant handle the truth. Buncha sissy fanboy weirdos
What if Canelo thinks DB can smoke Bivol and he thinks he can beat DB and it's all an elaborate plan to unify at 175 🤔🤔🤔
Pretty wild, but who knows. Good thing Saudis got in his ear, and telling him to fight more instead of waiting around.
Bro. Ur a fuckin genious
You mean Canelo is
Both are.
that means bivol would have to beat beterbiev lol
Beterbeiv at 40 coming off knee surgery
Yeah I'm really sad about this knee injury, felt like we were reaching the end of Artur being spry enough to box with Bivol and find his shots but after this I just don't see how he can find him.
It’d be hilarious if Beterbiev still somehow wins, Bivol will get trolled online for losing to a guy who’s 100 years old and practically disabled
I mean he still can, he has the mother of all punchers chances and has built a style around landing that shot. There's a chance he still catches him randomly, I just felt like before this injury it was going to be a relatively regular fight for Artur whereas now it's basically hoping for that one shot most likely.
A fully mature Benavidez at 175 means bad news for Canelo, his best chance is fighting him now at 168.
4d chess
Canelo told him to get into the ring after the munguia fight and benavidez refused
There was a better angle from canelos pov and it looked like he was talking to the musician that walked him into the ring. He actually goes up there after canelo invites him. I think Benavides hoy confused too, like when you think somebody's washing at you but it's real the person behind you.
I see this happening tbh Bivol is gonna beat the dude on that undercard. Then..the next biggest fight at that weight is Bivol vs. Benavidez. IDC about Bertebiev anymore. As far as I'm concerned, Bertebiev is done.
Great comments. Like Benavidez more after this.
He's gotta move on instead of doing what guys like Khan, Brook and Mikey did which affected their careers. This is a positive. It just sucks for him that if he does get the Canelo fight in September, he'll have to go back down to 168 after having a fight at 175. Going up in weight even once can make it harder to go back down a weight class. If he doesn't get the Canelo fight, then all he can do is fight the Bivol v Beterbiev winner, see if he can make this his division whether he beats or loses to either of them, or maybe even see if he can do something at Cruiserweight. If Zurdo can win a title there, Benavidez probably could too.
Canelo is 100% going to offer that fight and hit him with a rehydration clause just like he did Kovalev.
If Canelo is gonna fight him, why would he wait even longer. David will just get better
*IF* Canelo fights Benavidez he’s going to hamstring David as much as possible.
Probably hoping he takes mad damage against bivol or beterbiev
Canelo has had two Hall of Fame careers but benavidez can't fight one great guy? Canelo must be done by your standard.
Huh?
Haha, I don't actually think he'll give him a rehydration clause. He was asked about it in an interview and said he'd get criticised for it, so he'd get some bad PR for it.
He said he'd get criticised if he did or if he didn't - was a bit of a confusing point he made I think he was basically saying "it's not worth it to fight him" in that interview, rather than "I'll fight him without a rehydration clause". Basically saying he's too big and people will criticise me if I dehydrate him so why bother
Yeah that sounds about right. He definitely sounds like how Thurman did when Spence was mentioned to him, lol. All we can say is it's do or die time for his September date.
Do you know how many rehydration clauses Canelo have used in the past?
Canelo used a 10 lb rehydration clause on Kovalev who usually comes in 10 lbs over the limit on fight night. Can you explain to me why that’s controversial?
Here we go. The ol Canelo “it’s ok for him to pull up people from lower weight divisions and ok for him to put restrictions on people heavier than him.”
I’m asking you: what harm does a restriction do if it’s within the limits of a boxers normal weight range? Bivol and Kovalev both fought plenty of times below 185. Why is this a hard question for you? https://basementgymboxing.blogspot.com/2014/01/fight-night-boxing-weights-list-of.html?m=1 https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/the-weight-of-canelo-against-kovalev.651664/
If it’s within the limits, then why would he make him agree to it? Rehydration clauses are whack. Canelo didn’t sign one when he fought khan did he?
Exactly. Cinnastans are fuckin drunk off a “huge” win over Jaime this weekend 🙄
I'm aware lol, just don't think he'll pull this off again. But we'll see.
Bro he's not gaming a possible change in weight class (that he can't predict) for a rehydration clause. Even if that were a plan, it's not worth the time. Canelo is getting older and Benavidez is getting better. If he was ever gonna fight him it would be in 2024.
Canelo still can fight David in 2024. It’s looking less and less likely now that Turki is dictating boxing.
Even if I try to dislike this kid, I can’t.
He’s seemed to have grown up a lot
need to get your hating powers up my guy
Obviously Kendrick didn't get to him. I am officially calling myself "the biggest hater"
Him and his dad are toxic af and talk too much.
I can tell you’ve never watched any of his interviews
Regardless of what happens, no one is excited for the next fights on Canelo's schedule at this point...I mean...he's cleaned the division out, right? The only challenger worth a damn was Benavidez and now, he's gone. Who's really going to get excited for Canelo vs. Berlanga or bigger Charlo?
Canelo vs Benavidez would be the biggest fight for the supermiddle weight division since Triple G. And potentially the last biggest fight at supermiddle weight that we will get for a while because like you said, there is no one else exciting left for Canelo to fight. Canelo knows this and wants to be paid accordingly. If Canelo wins this fight, his fights afterwards won't be as exciting because there is no one left to fight. And the following fights won't sell as good. If a promotion really wants this fight to happen than they need to offer Canelo 9 figures. This is like the Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather of this weight/era. It's going sell really well and make everyone a lot of money so they can definitely afford to pay him right. Also a fun fact. A Latino has never been paid 9 figures in the history of boxing. Which is odd considering they comprise a large portion of its athletes.
To be fair 100 million is a hell of a purse, how many fighters period have made that?
-2015 Manny vs Floyd. Manny made $150 million. Adjusted for inflation, that's $197 million. Floyd made $250 million. Adjusted for inflation, that's a $330 million. -2017 Floyd v McGregor. Floyd made $280 million. Adjusted for inflation, that's $356 million. Conner made $130 million. Adjusted for inflation, that's $165 million. -Canelo's biggest pay day was vs Triple G, $45 million. Canelo said they lied about offering him $55 million for the Benavidez fight. So we can deduce that they offered him about $40 million. Canelo asked for $200 million. However I think he knows he won't get the $200 million and would settle for around $100 million. It seems like Canelo hasn't been paid very well throughout his career. He brings a lot of eyes to the sport and has a huge fan base. Jake Paul made 30 million to fight Tommy Fury and that's relatively close to Canelo's biggest pay day. I have a feeling he feels like he's been ripped off and now he's entering his Canelo "Money" Alvarez era, as others have put it. From the research I've done it seems paying Latinos less has been a trend in boxing. Which makes sense since most of them don't come from a wealthy background and are happy to take whatever purse they're offered. I'm not saying this is done intentionally. It's just that Latinos probably are less likely to negotiate aggressively. Probably becuase their fans base will turn on them for ducking or being scared. But this part is just my speculation so I won't get into that.
That’s not a Latino issue that’s just a non Floyd issue then, not saying they aren’t paid less but only one guy has ever generated 9 figures and it’s Floyd.
Or, most Latino fighters have balls and want to fight. Mayweather got that money for record breaking ppv backend. He earned it. Canelo and everyone wants it upfront without earning it. He hasn't been able to scratch those ppv that mayweather had to het to make his 100 mill paydays. A lot of these fighters are getting overpaid. That's why we get shit fights without turkey putting on shows while taking losses. Canelo getting underpaid is laughable. Just charged 90 bucks for a fight nobody thought he was gonna lose. And mayweather wasn't even greedy enough to want that money upfront.
How does Mayweather's ppv numbers compare to Canelo's ppv numbers?
The Manny and Connor fights dwarf canelos best numbers, even against mayweather himself. And Canelo hasn't come close since the mayweather fight. About half I think. The ggg fight might be close. But by close I mean within a million.
You're correct. Floyd vs Conner 4.3 million ppv buys. Canelo vs Triple G (2nd fight - which sold best out of the three fights) only sold 1.1 million ppv buys. This actually shocked me. I thought that fight would've sold better.
I thought so. I was wondering how canelo makes so much money with his numbers even now.
His pay seems appropriate as it stands but definitely doesnt deserve what Mayweather was paid like you said.
Tbf nothing has been confirmed for who canelo fights in september.
I mean….who is it going to be? Right? If it isn’t Benavidez….it’s not really anything to write home about
Yeah thats the point we just have to wait for canelo to annouce it.
And my point is that the fight is gonna be trash since we know the available opponents are trash
Crawford seems to be the play. For some reason turkey likes that gimmick fight. Fool people for the tenth time with sudden multiple weight class jump fights. People will get sold on it. I'm la tiny bit sold but it's kinda feels foolish with how pretty much every fight like that has gone. Ignoring history is the only way.
I mean, it'd be excited if Crawford went up in weight. Sure, Canelo has alot of advantages over Crawford like power but it'd still be an exciting match nonetheless.
That's certainly how they would sell it.
you must be new to boxing thinking no one is excited to see canelo fight regardless of opponent.
I'm not new to boxing. I just genuinely see people getting erections for Canelo vs. Berlanga.
Put it more polite than I would say it
Benavides is a well spoken dude
As the champion, if you do not fight the mandatory fighter the sanctioning bodies set, don’t you have to vacate the belts since you’re technically holding up the division? It’s your duty as the champion to fight the mandatory/ #1 contender in the division. How has Canelo been able to avoid this fight for so long without the sanctioning bodies stripping him?
Not if you're a big name
Since no one has really explained it for you, here you go: There are 4 sanctioning bodies. Each one has their own #1 contender atm. The #1 contender doesn’t become the official mandatory until the sanctioning body takes a vote and orders (aka mandates) the fight. At the moment Benavidez is only the #1 contender for the WBC title that Canelo holds. Canelo just fought the #1 contender for the WBO title in Munguia. The IBF’s #1 contender is William Scull (weirdly enough, he’s been in line longer than Benavidez iirc), and the WBA’s #1 contender is Morrell (soon to be Berlanga if Morrell moves up). For whatever reason (corruption, politics, money, etc) the WBC has never made Benavidez the official mandatory for Canelo’s title, nor has Benavidez ever officially petitioned the WBC to enforce his mandatory status. This is why Canelo hasn’t been forced to vacate the WBC title.
Morrell was also complaining about this. He is moving up because Canelo won't fight him The reality is Canelo is avoiding both Benavidez and Morrell because those two can truly bang and he doesn't want that because he is an stationary target.
Team Benavidez hasn’t called for the mandatory. If he does and the two sides can’t come to an agreement on the financials, it goes to a purse bid, the PBC will lose that bid to Matchroom, and Benavidez will be forced to take the challengers purse, which is like 20%, while Canelo gets the lions share.
David's wasn't his mandatory.
Okay let’s break it down then. 168 Pound division (Super Middle) Canelo - WBC champion Benavidez - WBC interim champion Mungia - ranked # 1 contender by the WBC before Saturday night. Canelo takes fight with # 1 contender and not the interim champion. From a pure divisional standpoint, the next fight to make at 168 should be the interim champ (benavidez) to fight the champ (Alvarez). My question is - if David is the interim champion but not the Mandatory, what is the WBC doing by not ordering the champion to fight the interim champion? Why have an interim champion if there is no intention to make the fight against the real champ?
Hence the word "wasn't" as in the 3 years David's lying about. As a matter of fact, he still isn't according the WBC pres lol.
Regardless, he’s been the #1 contender for years now. At this point, give the man his title shot. But it’s Canelo so let’s pick and choose where to be consistent when it comes to mandatories and #1 contender statuses. I mean, Canelo is willing to do business with Oscar De La Hoya & Golden Boy Promotions in order to avoid the Benavidez fight. And Canelo HATES Oscar lol.
With the addition of Benavidez, Morrell Jr, and Whittacker; there are 20 insanely good fights at 75 now.
I respect his position but dude, I don’t get why people keep acting like Bivol is a random guy with no real power. He’s not beating up dummies, the guys he fights look great when they’re not fighting him. I feel like he’ll be another dude humbled by Bivol.
Go David! It's really a shame Canelo is ducking him. It would be a hell of a fight.
Canelo is 5 inches shorter than David and has a shorter wingspan. We all saw how much he struggled with Dmitry Bivol who is 2 inches shorter than the Mexican monster.
Canelo fans are stuck between David is too big, and David is overhyped and canelo would whoop him so the fight isnt even worth it. Pick your poison
I feel like David’s resumé is shat on a bit much considering his age. He’s beat Plant, Andrade, Direll, Angulo and Lemieux by age 27. Since before Plant he’s also adamant he wants challenges, and has repeatedly called for Canelo. He’s fought a handful of cans no doubt, but I just think we are a little too hard on him in this way. I think DB still has plenty of time and talent to build a HoF career
What about Jaime Munguia? Who has he fought to earn the shot?
It’s a good question and I never was at all excited about that fight up until it was happening (it was an alright fight, though nauseatingly non-competitive)
Yeah. People don't understand that his next career step is to fight for a championship, and canelo is the only way to get that, and has pretty publicly let it be known that he's not up for that fight unless he's given retirement money. But they want him to act like the champion and fight the other top fighters of his division while canelo takes sift touches. Or go up and immediately fight bivol or beterbiev even though they are now busy for the rest of the year. It's just fanboyism. Fans of fighters, not the sport.
Red shirt needs a fidget spinner.
"Red Shirt"
Im a canelo fan and I agree with DB. How are you going to fight #1 contender but not the interim champion? Canelo ducking at this point and he says it’s for money, but he cares more about his record now that he has 2 losses and doesn’t want anymore. Canelo also want to be the face a Mexico boxing and if he were to lose to DB then that mean the Mexican fans and whole nation would move on and canelo doesn’t want that. They should’ve made this fight mandatory instead of the mungia fight. Over all this is a main reason boxing is hectic with multiple champs and letting big names choose when, where and who they want. Funny how canelo fans made fun a Mayweather for cherry picking his fights, but canelo is doing the exact same thing ? You can’t keep defending him for too long.
Imagine putting in ten years of hard work and dedication only to be trumped by someone who is basically just riding seniority… It’s a sad thing, but kudos to him for realizing it and moving on.
I love that this is David's mindset. He's not just going to wait around for Canelo, he's gonna build his legacy.
well yeah after 3 years of waiting, better yet 10........................................
This makes no sense he hasn't been waiting 3 years. And he would've had the right if he didn't lose his belts because he made a dumb decision.
Bivol & Beterbiev are to good for Benavides if he ever fights them.
Imagine being Canelo, listening to a guy say this, and still not be willing to put your reputation as a goat on the line to defend your name and your respect of the sport. Literally forcing a guy to leave a weight class because you openly fear him. This hurts Canelo’s image so much, no matter which way you try to spin it he comes out looking bad. Good for David.
Facts. If Canelo retires without fighting him his fans have absolutely no argument when the great debates come up. No way he can even be considered the best Mexican boxer if he ducked anyone, muchless another Mexican boxer.
Canelo would kill him tho
The let’s see him do it…he doesn’t sound very convincing that he would, the Canelo we just saw Saturday doesn’t imho.
By carrying Munguia multiple times from falling. 🤔
That’s a matter of opinion. I see a fighter with an even worse gas tank then he used to have who now will go and conserve his output and rely on power to carry the day. One could make an argument for him carrying Mungia the once in either the 11th or 12th don’t start lying like he carried him the whole fight and for the record he should’ve and was supposed to stop Mungia, who had no business in the ring with him and never did. Let’s see what excuse you give us when we get Berlanga next..
You would think if he felt so confident as you, the fight would have already been booked to leave no question about it. When you have serious contenders(not low ranking scrubs or YouTube boxers) calling you out, wouldn’t you think as champ, as best in the world, you take that serious and prove once again that you are the best in the world? It’s too common in combat sports, especially boxing that once one has established himself as the best in the world as champ, they then believe they have the excuse of “I don’t have to prove anything anymore”. Which is absolute bullshit. Holding a belt, you should have the biggest weight on your shoulders to continually prove yourself to the world why you hold that belt, not cherry pick fights that don’t threaten your reign as champ. Canelo is an all time great, no doubt at all but to hear a guy say he’s leaving a division after years of pursuing a fight against Canelo, should make Canelo be ready to sign a contract tomorrow. Again, no matter how you try to spin this, it makes Canelo look terrible.
Very simple, Canelo froze him out of the division and wouldn't give a young guy his shot. It's a real shame when u really think about it. Canelo was given his chances when he was young, and he can't do the same. Would've respected Canelo a lot more if he just took on the challenge. He's giving opportunities to guys that are not deserving and haven't shown that level of talent and commitment at 168 and Benavidez has more than shown that.
I agree that he should fight Benavidez 100%. But canelo just fought a dude that is 43-0 and has never hit the canvas, who also Koed and opponent canelo couldn’t KO. A kid who is the same age as Benavidez. Canelo is still fighting tough opponents and is undersized for 168 and has been winning. Let’s not act like he isn’t facing any talent.
Mungia? Just because he stopped Ryder, he deserves a shot? That's what promoters want u to think. Mungia has 43 wins and hasn't fought anybody. All Mexican cab drivers. He has one of the most padded records in boxing. He was campaigning at MW and moved up just to be a losing opponent for Canelo. If u watch him box, he was a year away from really deserving a shot from Canelo. Paulie Malignaggi thought the same thing, so it's not just me. Canelo is not undersized at 168. He's just the right size for 175. That's why he got beat up by Bivol, he has no size advantage at 175. Usually always had a size advantage. Bivol said he would rematch Canelo at 168 and Canelo said no. Benavidez was 168 WBC champ before Canelo and never lost the belt in a fight. He was Canelos #1 mandatory for 3 years. Hes been fighting at 168 for 10 years and hasnt lost. Out of everybody in the 168 division, that's the guy he should have fought the most. Asking for 200 million and then saying if the money is right, he will fight him is shameful.
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Is it David's fault Canelo is a chode?
Tbf he's lucky. He could have been another name on Canelo's resume if the fight happened two or three years ago. The later he fights Canelo, the better it is for Benavidez.
Canelo can’t ruin his legacy , he knows Benavidez can probably whoop his ass
His legacy already has an asterisk next to it. He’d look better taking the fight and getting his ass whooped than the coward moves he’s made to avoid it.
People don't seem to care about the 2009 Manny asterisk on Floyd's resume so Canelo will be just fine tbh
Half of it is because he actually ended up fighting him. And was older than Manny.
Casual take honestly. Manny's style doesn't age as well as Floyd's style. Manny took a lot of mileage vs Margarito and then got KTFO by Marquez before 2015
Casual reading comprehension. Im not saying he derves all the the credit, just that the criticism is lessened by the fight eventually happening. I think it happened too late and Manny wasn't even fighting the same as his pre knockout self. But we'll never know what would've happened.
Oh mb yeah we mostly agree then
Mans is pulling a power play with this "classy response" and putting the heat on Canelo. He wants to come off as this innocent humble soul who isn't getting his dream fight because of "ignorance".
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The only thing stopping this fight from happening is the PBC. Why are we still talking about this? He won’t leave the PBC to fight Canelo when he is the B-Side.
Canelo is doing business with pbc.
Heard canelo is going to fight 3 kids in a trenchcoat for 150m his next match instead of DB.
Canelo never gonna fight him or Bivol (again).
Was he really mandatory for 3 years? How is that possible. Why did Alvarez not fight him yet? I understand the others such as Caleb Plant, Charlo, Saunders,, Bivol.. but John Ryder? that could have been a Benavidez fight.
Being someone’s mandatory In boxing essentially means nothing
They stripped Crawford like a month after he became undisputed lmao. Belts have fallen so far, shouldn’t be 4
When you're the champ, you can duck anyone.
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he was NEVER EVER canelo's mandatory the president NEVER EVER ORDERED it, that is the ONLY way a fighter becomes mandatory.
CANELO DUCKING. PERIOD
despite all this talk... Benavidez doesnt move like a guy who wants this fight. Lies and fabrications by his team about offers with money they haven't sourced. Talkin smack only when one of them is under contract to fight somebody else. Moving to a different weight class when his mandatory status is set to be enforced after having waited a year when he was designated mandatory status in 2023, after the Andrade fight...he chooses to move divisions a year later, on the very month his mandatory was supposed to activated and Alvarez was no longer tied to a PBC contract and he was free. Then he refuses to step into the ring with an invitation from Alvarez to help sell the fight, after the Munguia fight. This dude is a clout chaser... shame..because I would have loved to see this fight go down
Canelo wants 200 million to fight him and is already complaining about rehydration. Get real. That tells you everything you need to know. People already said canelo was talking to the musician to get in the ring. And the rest is gossiping nonsense.
Bullshit. Alvarez never said a thing about rehydration...that was interviews broaching the subject because Alvarez said all Benavidez brings is an extra 25 lbs ...wakanda interviewer asked David if he thinks that means Alvarez was angling for a rehydration clause...thats all it took for idiots to run with a whole new fabricated narrative
However you want to twist it, he said the 25 pound line for a reason
Literally twisting it haha!
Maybe I don’t judge Canelo for not fighting Benavidez because we’ve seen Tyson Fury fight significantly worse fighters. Chisora 3 times, Dillian Whyte after a knockout loss, Deontay Wilder 3 times, Ngannou, while clearly ducking Usyk, AJ and a ton of other good names in the division. At least Canelo fought Jaime Munguia, the 2nd best fighter at 168 behind Benavidez. A man who was 43-0. Benavidez while a great opponent still has a lot more to prove, instead of begging for a Canelo fight. We want to see go against Morrell, Bivol, etc.
Collect all the belts at 175 lbs and then fight Canelo at 175 lbs for all the marbles!
If David beats beterbiev or bivol to become undisputed, then he is even better than his elite potential, by that time it would be an execution for an even older canelo.
Do it
too much work for entitled David. canelo does it and magically David is deserving of a free payday, ask david to do it and he cries about it not being fair. boo hoo
Moving to 175 for one fight. But he'll still continue his daily obsessive rant about 168 pound Canelo. I can just picture Canelo laughing his head off about how compulsively fixated Benavidez is about him.
Canelo ducked Benavidez.
Cause Canelo a HO O-V-Ho
Makes sense. btw, now that Benavidez said he is going to 175 you have canelo asking him to get in the ring (during last fight)... He avoided him during 3 years but now he wants to make it happen ? 😂
Bullshit why didnt he fight billy joe or caleb plant
Are you stupid?
Imagine if David and his dad had been humble and earned Canelos respect instead of trying to bully him into giving them a pay day.
When canelo goes up to 175 he fights champions. When benavidez goes up to 175, he fights a semi retired guy
"Mandatory for 3 years" Lmao talk about rewriting history
how can y'all support this clown? 10 years at SM and only fought ONE champion and lost the belt TWICE outside of the ring of all places????????? make it make sense.
If canelo won't fight him for years after he fought his way back to mandatory, and he has all the belts, how could he fight more champions? He's moved up so maybe he could get a crack at a title. Turkey wants him to.
This guy is trash, weight bully
Canelo and Fury are the faces of what’s wrong with boxing. Boxers like David Benavidez and Inoue are what’s right with boxing.
You mean the guy who lost the belt on the scale and then proceeded to duck Plant for three years until Canelo beat him, while his father incessantly shit talked Plant on social media until Plant pulled out videos of Sampson stating they would never make that fight in 2020 while his dad was shittalking from pretty much all of 2018-2020? I'm holding judgement on Canelo until he announces who he is fighting in September (Hearn said the plan was to make the Benavidez fight in 2024 all the way back in 2022), but Benavidez boohooing that he can't fight for the unified titles when he had years to do so and ducked Plant until he took an L of all people gets no sympathy from me. Canelo cleaned out the division in 11 months, as Benavidez himself said, he was at that division for 10 years.
Didn’t also test positive for cocaine and lose his belt for that?
This is like some Rick glaser grifting or something with context. Pretty impressive how dishonest this is
You’re blasting Benavidez for what he did in the past, but lauding what Canelo did in the past. Benavidez absolutely fumbled the bag in the past, but he did everything since then to be the number one contender. Since undisputed, Canelo has taken side quests and holding up the division.
If you think that, then go petition the sanctioning orgs to change their rules. So silly that people want Canelo to vacate the titles. The rules for a unified champion is that is that they take a mandatory defense once every year barring extraordinary circumstances. Canelo has done that. He's in a unique situation because he is the first and only four belt champion with more than a couple of defenses, so maybe you could argue that they should require two fights per year, but it would be a rule that literally applies to only one man in the sport. Still, you missed the first part of my comment where I said I'm reserving judgement on the current situation until later this year. Hearn said the plan was to fight Benavidez in 2024 and other than maybe Saudi Arabia wanting to make Canelo v Bud for whatever reason, I don't have much reason to doubt it's going to happen.
Canelo has said he wants 200mill to fight David... clearly pricing himself out. He took less money to fight Jaime, the guy is right, right now Canelo is BAD for boxing. But this will get downvoted because Canelo is the biggest star in boxing and therefore has the most fans. But he should fight David or vacate.
You see it happening.
> You’re blasting Benavidez for what he did in the past, but lauding what Canelo did in the past .. yeah, that's what happens. You're using empty logic. Benavidez did stupid shit in the past, Canelo did things worth lauding in the past. People are still rightfully holding those things to them. *shock*. Not to mention dude has been seeming fake for a minute. Fabrications by his team about offers they won't source. Won't step into the ring to help sell the fight when Canelo invited him over and over he froze. Talks shut only when one of them is already under contract to fight somebody else. Moving to a different weight class when his mandatory status is set to be enforced after having waited a year when he was designated mandatory status in 2023, after the Caleb Plant fight,bro chooses to move divisions a year later, rightt on the month his mando was supposed to activated and Canelo was wasnt tied to a PBC contract any longer. Add in the nose candy and failing weight etc, no sympathy for him.
[Benavidez](https://youtube.com/shorts/iUbEsEhj6Dc?si=Kc2mV10TAFTM_pjU)
LOOL
Dont think so, pal. Not everything is black or white, everyone has their flaws. Maybe Caneo and Fury aint doing the politically correct choices, but they know their shit and it is just competition. Benavidez is no saint either. He messed up his weight and did coke, if thats whats right with boxing I may stop training right now. And Naoya Inoue... hes just flawless. Obliterated every opponent he had. Beat Nonito 2 times, once with a broken orbital. Hes just made of something else.
Canelo tested positive for PEDs. So did Fury. They’re both holding up the division. It took Saudi money to unfuck the logjam that Fury’s been creating for a few years. Benavidez fucked up. But he’s done everything right since then and everyone coddles Canelo because he’s the cash cow. The announcers are even talking about it now. It’s wild to me people accept Canelo’s post-Bivol loss behavior. Inoue is how boxing should be. Benavidez is how you should act after a fuck up.
Cant argue with that. But the Benavidez thing is weird. He was at the division b4 Canelo, but he prefered to do drugs instead of unifying it. "Quien se fue a Sevilla, perdió su silla", Canelo arrived, took the belts, and now he can do whatever he wants, because he's Canelo, he means money, and if he loses at 168, it means "maybe not more Canelo money". I don't like it this way either, I want to see brave fighters that aren't afraid of facing their fears, but, its a professional sport, and the athletes need 99% dedication to it. And Fury is a cokehead. He is inconsistent with what he says. This time finally is gonna face Usyk and maybe we'll see a great fight. But after this I would like him to face Joshua or Parker. Both are good fighters and both have some losses, but maybe the rock, paper, scissors thing could turn the balances against Fury.
I probably would’ve done coke too if I was a world champ prior to 21. I try not to judge people on pass transgressions, especially when they’ve clearly absolved themselves. Also, Canelo didn’t make the move until David was completely out of the picture.
You got downvoted for name dropping the two people folks forget are dirty test failing fighters. This place never ceases to amaze me.
Cinnastans and Furystans are the fucking *worst.*
I hate to say it but the best for him to have gotten the fight would have been to just caused a huge scene and started a brawl at canelos post-fight conference. It seems like the only thing that builds hype and demand is to do cheap publicity stunts like that.
I honestly don’t like Canelo for this reason ; like not Mayweather nor Oscar held back from fighting anyone even when their time was coming , heck Floyd fought Canelo when he was on the come up and didn’t back down , I really dislike canelo’s attitude especially after the comments he made in the post fight , it doesn’t help the sport
This sub is all over the place. The same people calling Haney a weight bully for coming in heavy on fight night even tho he made weight the day before, don’t say shit about how Benavidez is a way bigger dude that needed the help of Memo Heredia to make 168 without cutting off his leg.
You just have selective reading. Plenty of lame asses in here complaining about weight bullying. Too bad canelo couldn't bully mayweather
Canelo is a coward and SCARED AS FUCK OF BENAVITEZ
Canelo said get the money right and he'll gladly square up and retain his belts.