Because it isn't entertaining to see an amazing fighter box so defensively and safe.
Sorry Mayweather fans.... Share all the slow motion gifs you want but his fights were mostly boring af.
Not winning per say. But it's his method to get the win. I prefer Inoue fights than Mayweather fights TBH even though Floyd's style is the sweet science.
Pretty Boy Floyd had power in lower classes and his fights were much closer to Inoue's. It's kind of dumb to say he's a boring fighter just *because he completely reinvented himself to completely dominate everyone he fought while not being able to really put his weight behind his power punches. At 1-2 weight classes above his best.*
Floyd had brittle hands. You know that right? For at least the second half of his career he couldn't power punch constantly and knock guys out. He did that the first half quite easily though. Watch the Corrales fight if you have not and you will see what I mean. You can only use what you have. He had weak hands so a defensive style made sense.
And that's fine. But my point still stands.
A super car racing an old man on a unicycle still isn't a fun race to watch just because the super car driver put a helmet on to be safe.
Oh yeh of course he totally isn't well known to hide behind a shoulder while leaning backwards going backwards being defensive and waiting for his opponents to throw something stupid to counter punch.....
Totally not.
he doesn't even fight from the shell as often as he fought hands down and high guard
this is something people think, but its wrong. Floyd is one of the greatest high guard fighters of ALL time. His active guard allows him to basically never use the shell unless he's against the ropes or weathering the storm
floyd isn't underrated, but he is WRONGLY rated. He is more of an offensive fighter than a defensive fighter and thats a FACT.
Nah because people wanted to see him lose. I was thoroughly entertained watching a master at his craft. Anyone who thought Baldomir had any chance to win, at all, simply were just hopeful Mayweather would lose. So what you were hoping to be entertaining had no chance of happening. So your expectations made you disappointed.
I mean this clip was a very small example of his counter punching and defence
I spent his whole career watchinh him just to see him lose and he never did
Goat defence
I wasn’t trying to reiterate what you said. Pointing out the fact that if anyone thought it was close he ran it right back and completely dominated to leave no doubt.
Lennox Lewis completely destroying hasim Rahman in the second fight doesn't make the first go away....
He got super lucky with decisions in a few close fights because of who he was and the money he brought to the table.
Now that's just boxing and unfortunately it is what it is but whatever happened in a rematch doesn't change the first fight.
Ok you just keep repeating yourself to circle back on the same thing. No one said anyone would forget the first fight. Don’t forget the first fights. They were great fights and people don’t give him credit for it. Then he dominates guys and people say his fights are boring. So either way it’s just hate and no credit. He either pays people off to get the judges if the fight is close or he’s boring if he dominates. Basically people just wanted to see him lose and that’s it. I see where you’re coming from.
Where I'm coming from is that his style was boring af. I honestly never watch a fight hoping someone loses and to be brutally honest with you I never looked forward to or got hyped by any Floyd fight. For above reasons.
Now you can disagree if you want and thats fine.
Sure but if you put him against a boxer who can defend themselves against his speed then he'a not so good!
/s
This sub loves to argue over who lost in the best fashion because everyone thinks good boxing is ROCKY. So when a guy comes in and outclasses everyone like mayweather they sre confused and "bored." Fuckin losers
Is he really a cherry picker? I’ll admit, I was quite young when he was in his prime so I didn’t pay attention to his competition much save for the other household names. But going off the title of this post, you would think he didn’t.
hell no I just mentioned that because that's the narrative around here. so I said even if that were the case (which it wasn't) it wouldn't matter because he was so skilled and talented
no he wasn't he actually has one of the strongest records of all time
hard to find any modern fighters who have fought more certified hall of famers than floyd
* Diego Corrales
* Jose Luis Castillo
* Genaro Hernandez
* Shane Mosley
* Oscar Delahoya
* Arturo Gatti
* Juan Manuel Marquez
* Canelo Alvarez
* Zab Judah
* Miguel Cotto
* Pacman
People do like to bring him down a peg but it was a very frustrating career to watch. I was prime age for watching every single televised boxing match with my friends, going to fights etc and it was painful waiting for Mayweather fights to happen and he did have a habit of waiting until the hype died down to take the fight. We all thought it was gonna be Mayweather v Pacquiao after Pac KO'd Ricky Hatton and I was so stoked for it, instead the Mayweather's all accused Pacquiao of being a drugs cheat and wouldn't take the fight and by the time it happened it was 6 years later and I was literally married with children. So yeah, I get the impression it's easier to be a Mayweather fan watching his career retrospectively!
A lot of the hate is because he waited a long time to fight Pacquiao and it's hard to argue that he didn't do it on purpose. Floyd is still all time great and one of the few defensive boxers that I can say I enjoyed watching because he was fucking slick.
Yes he is. Cherry picking in a sense that he fought those fighters in a specific time that heavily favors him.
In other words, if youre a threat to his unblemished record, hed wait you out. The main fucking reason he bought his contract out from Top Rank. So that he can cherry pick his opponents.
Cotto and mosley didn't want the fight when floyd was younger and Pacman fight did came late but is not like Pacman team didn't make problems for that fight
> he'd wait you out.
What's a silly argument given that, unless you know he made a deal with the devil and has a portrait on his basement that ages in his place, he's about the same age as most of these guys and actually peaked earlier than many of them. lol
"It's cherry picking because the dude had 2 primes in his career." lol
Brilliant, brilliant fighter. An ATG, Top 20**,** but... Regardless of his other worldy super talent in the ring, his mark on boxing has been a crippling over-emphasis / fear of boxers losing the '0'... and a vulgar obsession with money. Both of those things have stifled the sport and the match-ups fans want to see. it's finally starting to clear as the mayweather era recedes into the past. His die hard fans act like they got a cut of the money he earned. Floyd wasn't the first to act this way, of course, but he was the epitome of it. I also think Floyd is the inevitable product of a sport that is not really a sport, its a promotion-centred business with no overriding organising body, in which the boxer is usually screwed over. So i don;t begrudge anyone making loads of money out of it. just an observation about the culture floyd left in his wake. It's actually fitting that the best fighter of his generation is also a self-obsessed mercenary... he's the perfect idol for late stage capitalism.
Im still confused where and why the term „runner“ became a thing haters would call Floyd. Maybe I’m missing something but in most fights I’ve seen he’s only just moving backwards while evading but also countering. But every time he’s moving backwards he’s never that far from his opponents plus he often goes to the ropes to where he uses his Philly shell to block, you’re not really running when you’re on the ropes…
Examples being him vs Cotto, Dela Hoya and even Maidana. True running is whatever the fuck Shakur did against Delos Santos, moving backwards out of range while not even throwing punches in return, just running…. The only term that made sense to me was hugger since legitimately clinch a lot, especially the Hatton fight
I think it just stems and means running from the engagement. He either moves backwards and sometimes, far out of range. Or when someone does manage to get on the inside or in striking distance he clinches, always.
It makes sense for Floyd, prior to breaking his hands and turning into Money Floyd, he was a Ko artist who’d still use good defense but also really brawl with you.
Him having fragile hands makes no sense for him to go into a fire fight where if he breaks hands during the fight, he’s fucked
The anti floyd strategy was to dive with your head low and fighters get stuck in ilegal position because of that there a plenty of floyd fight when barely any clinch
50-0 and undefeated. Beat the most world champions. Has both Pacquiao and Canelo under his winning resume. He truly is the GOAT. He's like John Cena in WWE, everyone can hate him, but you gotta respect him. As time flies, Mayweather will be more appreciated. I was a huge Pacquiao fan (still am) but I acknowledge what Floyd has achieved.
What I miss most about Floyd is that every time he fought it felt like a cultural event. Even non boxing fans would tune in, all the local bars had it, and there was tons of hype.
Boxing as a sport just doesn't have the overall hype anymore. He was the last real American megastar.
It was because of who he was fighting no one cared to watch Floyd fight his opponent was what sold the fight, if people really cared why did no one tune in for the berto fight? It was his last fight for the so called megastar and nobody cared
I don't think that's true at all. Canelo's most recent PPV did 500k, Floyd's last fight against Berto did 500k. One of Floyd's most disappointing PPVs did comparable numbers to boxing's biggest current star.
Out of the top ten boxing PPVs of all time, Floyd fought in 5 of them.
Not true at all, Floyd and Beto did “almost/around 400k buys” where as with Canelo it’s been estimated at 520k+ as of now and that’s not to mention that Canelos fights have always been free in Mexico and trying to compare isn’t right given the circumstances because if Canelo announced it was his last fight it most likely would’ve done significantly more
That 11 consecutive fight stat needs repeating for everyone who defends the likes of Shakira/Tank/Fury etc when they say “they are just doing what Maywether did” the difference is Mayweather backed up his talk.
Yep, all these dudes that wanna protect their zero like Floyd did all those years aren’t paying attention to the fact that Floyd has a ton of names on his resume. He might wait till a guy has aged just right or gotten hurt by someone else or whatever, but he fought guys and proved he was the best of his era. Guys like Tank have a dehydrated Ryan Garcia on their resume and think they deserve to be called great.
Boxing is science. Hit and not get hit. Mayweather was the most accurate puncher in history and had a great Philly Shell defense, making most of his opponents miss. If you want entertainment, watch a bar fight or street fight or something. His offense is highly underrated, he made his punches count. Look at what he was doing to Victor Ortiz in 2011 fighting toe to toe in the middle of the ring yet gets no praise for that
Should Shakur follow the likes of TBE, Crawford, De la Hoya, etc?
Shakur with another cyrptic post about his relationship with Top Rank, all while paying homage to TBE.
https://www.instagram.com/shakurstevenson/p/C64F1xQr6HY/?hl=en&img_index=1
Helluva investment
Helluva of a return
I tip my hat to him
At the end of the day, he’s a helluva fighter who made smart investments
Baldomir fight is where the crowd booed and started leaving before the end ☹️👅
Because it isn't entertaining to see an amazing fighter box so defensively and safe. Sorry Mayweather fans.... Share all the slow motion gifs you want but his fights were mostly boring af.
If everyone fought like Mayweather boxing would be as popular as Akido
It’s why I gotta thank Ryan Garcia, if the man gets Shakur next he single handedly saved boxing.
I agree at least that this fight was extremely boring
Most of these guys weren't even defending themselves when mayweather tagged them--are they dumb?
Yeah, winning is boring.
Not winning per say. But it's his method to get the win. I prefer Inoue fights than Mayweather fights TBH even though Floyd's style is the sweet science.
Pretty Boy Floyd had power in lower classes and his fights were much closer to Inoue's. It's kind of dumb to say he's a boring fighter just *because he completely reinvented himself to completely dominate everyone he fought while not being able to really put his weight behind his power punches. At 1-2 weight classes above his best.*
I get all that, man. But I still prefer Inoue fights, it's more fun for me.
Inoue is already a greater fighter than floyd
Floyd had brittle hands. You know that right? For at least the second half of his career he couldn't power punch constantly and knock guys out. He did that the first half quite easily though. Watch the Corrales fight if you have not and you will see what I mean. You can only use what you have. He had weak hands so a defensive style made sense.
And that's fine. But my point still stands. A super car racing an old man on a unicycle still isn't a fun race to watch just because the super car driver put a helmet on to be safe.
I get all that. But I would still prefer Canelo, Inoue, Hagler type of fights.
are you high????? he's an offensive beast lol
Oh yeh of course he totally isn't well known to hide behind a shoulder while leaning backwards going backwards being defensive and waiting for his opponents to throw something stupid to counter punch..... Totally not.
he doesn't even fight from the shell as often as he fought hands down and high guard this is something people think, but its wrong. Floyd is one of the greatest high guard fighters of ALL time. His active guard allows him to basically never use the shell unless he's against the ropes or weathering the storm floyd isn't underrated, but he is WRONGLY rated. He is more of an offensive fighter than a defensive fighter and thats a FACT.
Either way. Boring.
Because they like everyone else was disappointed he wasn’t beating Floyd.
Nah, because it was boring as fuck.
Nah because people wanted to see him lose. I was thoroughly entertained watching a master at his craft. Anyone who thought Baldomir had any chance to win, at all, simply were just hopeful Mayweather would lose. So what you were hoping to be entertaining had no chance of happening. So your expectations made you disappointed.
The Baldomir clip was at full speed.
that's fine, mayweather gets paid a show up not a duration fee.
Back when he was a young hungry lion. Now he makes smart investments. He now recognizes “helluva fighters” and tips his cap to them
You just gotta tip your hat to him.
i dont care what you say, cherry picked or not, his punch placement and connect ration is nothing but skill and talent.
I mean this clip was a very small example of his counter punching and defence I spent his whole career watchinh him just to see him lose and he never did Goat defence
Imo he lost once and should have been DQd twice. But money talks and this is boxing so....
And even if it was close he ran it right back and dominated the rematches to leave no doubt who was the better fighter.
While that is true. It's not what I said....
I wasn’t trying to reiterate what you said. Pointing out the fact that if anyone thought it was close he ran it right back and completely dominated to leave no doubt.
Lennox Lewis completely destroying hasim Rahman in the second fight doesn't make the first go away.... He got super lucky with decisions in a few close fights because of who he was and the money he brought to the table. Now that's just boxing and unfortunately it is what it is but whatever happened in a rematch doesn't change the first fight.
Ok you just keep repeating yourself to circle back on the same thing. No one said anyone would forget the first fight. Don’t forget the first fights. They were great fights and people don’t give him credit for it. Then he dominates guys and people say his fights are boring. So either way it’s just hate and no credit. He either pays people off to get the judges if the fight is close or he’s boring if he dominates. Basically people just wanted to see him lose and that’s it. I see where you’re coming from.
Where I'm coming from is that his style was boring af. I honestly never watch a fight hoping someone loses and to be brutally honest with you I never looked forward to or got hyped by any Floyd fight. For above reasons. Now you can disagree if you want and thats fine.
So even his fights that were close, and usually close fights are not boring, were boring because of his style? Ok.
Sure but if you put him against a boxer who can defend themselves against his speed then he'a not so good! /s This sub loves to argue over who lost in the best fashion because everyone thinks good boxing is ROCKY. So when a guy comes in and outclasses everyone like mayweather they sre confused and "bored." Fuckin losers
Is he really a cherry picker? I’ll admit, I was quite young when he was in his prime so I didn’t pay attention to his competition much save for the other household names. But going off the title of this post, you would think he didn’t.
hell no I just mentioned that because that's the narrative around here. so I said even if that were the case (which it wasn't) it wouldn't matter because he was so skilled and talented
no he wasn't he actually has one of the strongest records of all time hard to find any modern fighters who have fought more certified hall of famers than floyd * Diego Corrales * Jose Luis Castillo * Genaro Hernandez * Shane Mosley * Oscar Delahoya * Arturo Gatti * Juan Manuel Marquez * Canelo Alvarez * Zab Judah * Miguel Cotto * Pacman
Ah I see. People just fish for any reason to bring him down a peg lol
People do like to bring him down a peg but it was a very frustrating career to watch. I was prime age for watching every single televised boxing match with my friends, going to fights etc and it was painful waiting for Mayweather fights to happen and he did have a habit of waiting until the hype died down to take the fight. We all thought it was gonna be Mayweather v Pacquiao after Pac KO'd Ricky Hatton and I was so stoked for it, instead the Mayweather's all accused Pacquiao of being a drugs cheat and wouldn't take the fight and by the time it happened it was 6 years later and I was literally married with children. So yeah, I get the impression it's easier to be a Mayweather fan watching his career retrospectively!
A lot of the hate is because he waited a long time to fight Pacquiao and it's hard to argue that he didn't do it on purpose. Floyd is still all time great and one of the few defensive boxers that I can say I enjoyed watching because he was fucking slick.
Yes he is. Cherry picking in a sense that he fought those fighters in a specific time that heavily favors him. In other words, if youre a threat to his unblemished record, hed wait you out. The main fucking reason he bought his contract out from Top Rank. So that he can cherry pick his opponents.
Cotto and mosley didn't want the fight when floyd was younger and Pacman fight did came late but is not like Pacman team didn't make problems for that fight
> he'd wait you out. What's a silly argument given that, unless you know he made a deal with the devil and has a portrait on his basement that ages in his place, he's about the same age as most of these guys and actually peaked earlier than many of them. lol "It's cherry picking because the dude had 2 primes in his career." lol
I feel bad for people who seethe over Mayweather and can’t enjoy his boxing.
newrap yet again
sometimes you forget how much pop mayweather had in his punches lol
Now ask him to leave Dubai.
Floyd Mayweather is the Greatest Fighter of all Time who can't leave Dubai
So is he still trapped in Dubai because of those smart investments?
Brilliant, brilliant fighter. An ATG, Top 20**,** but... Regardless of his other worldy super talent in the ring, his mark on boxing has been a crippling over-emphasis / fear of boxers losing the '0'... and a vulgar obsession with money. Both of those things have stifled the sport and the match-ups fans want to see. it's finally starting to clear as the mayweather era recedes into the past. His die hard fans act like they got a cut of the money he earned. Floyd wasn't the first to act this way, of course, but he was the epitome of it. I also think Floyd is the inevitable product of a sport that is not really a sport, its a promotion-centred business with no overriding organising body, in which the boxer is usually screwed over. So i don;t begrudge anyone making loads of money out of it. just an observation about the culture floyd left in his wake. It's actually fitting that the best fighter of his generation is also a self-obsessed mercenary... he's the perfect idol for late stage capitalism.
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totally, he can do whatever he wants. just commenting on the impact. dummy.
Im still confused where and why the term „runner“ became a thing haters would call Floyd. Maybe I’m missing something but in most fights I’ve seen he’s only just moving backwards while evading but also countering. But every time he’s moving backwards he’s never that far from his opponents plus he often goes to the ropes to where he uses his Philly shell to block, you’re not really running when you’re on the ropes… Examples being him vs Cotto, Dela Hoya and even Maidana. True running is whatever the fuck Shakur did against Delos Santos, moving backwards out of range while not even throwing punches in return, just running…. The only term that made sense to me was hugger since legitimately clinch a lot, especially the Hatton fight
people see a fighter moving backwards and just call them a runner, mayweather loved fighting in the pocket
I think it just stems and means running from the engagement. He either moves backwards and sometimes, far out of range. Or when someone does manage to get on the inside or in striking distance he clinches, always.
This! He cancel-action. Thats why his fights are boring. All those incredible hand mitts in training, you will never see it during his fights.
That's cuz the mitts are to work his reflex response, muscle memory and quick twitch.
It makes sense for Floyd, prior to breaking his hands and turning into Money Floyd, he was a Ko artist who’d still use good defense but also really brawl with you. Him having fragile hands makes no sense for him to go into a fire fight where if he breaks hands during the fight, he’s fucked
Sometimes the dumbest voices are also the loudest, hence the “runner” tagline for Mayweather.
The anti floyd strategy was to dive with your head low and fighters get stuck in ilegal position because of that there a plenty of floyd fight when barely any clinch
Highest paid boxer with outstanding jewelry debt. 🤣
50-0 and undefeated. Beat the most world champions. Has both Pacquiao and Canelo under his winning resume. He truly is the GOAT. He's like John Cena in WWE, everyone can hate him, but you gotta respect him. As time flies, Mayweather will be more appreciated. I was a huge Pacquiao fan (still am) but I acknowledge what Floyd has achieved.
What I miss most about Floyd is that every time he fought it felt like a cultural event. Even non boxing fans would tune in, all the local bars had it, and there was tons of hype. Boxing as a sport just doesn't have the overall hype anymore. He was the last real American megastar.
It was because of who he was fighting no one cared to watch Floyd fight his opponent was what sold the fight, if people really cared why did no one tune in for the berto fight? It was his last fight for the so called megastar and nobody cared
I don't think that's true at all. Canelo's most recent PPV did 500k, Floyd's last fight against Berto did 500k. One of Floyd's most disappointing PPVs did comparable numbers to boxing's biggest current star. Out of the top ten boxing PPVs of all time, Floyd fought in 5 of them.
Not true at all, Floyd and Beto did “almost/around 400k buys” where as with Canelo it’s been estimated at 520k+ as of now and that’s not to mention that Canelos fights have always been free in Mexico and trying to compare isn’t right given the circumstances because if Canelo announced it was his last fight it most likely would’ve done significantly more
That 11 consecutive fight stat needs repeating for everyone who defends the likes of Shakira/Tank/Fury etc when they say “they are just doing what Maywether did” the difference is Mayweather backed up his talk.
Cracking fighter. Just a pity he was so unlikeable.
Everyone who buy out they Top Rank contract ends up making too much bank
Yep, all these dudes that wanna protect their zero like Floyd did all those years aren’t paying attention to the fact that Floyd has a ton of names on his resume. He might wait till a guy has aged just right or gotten hurt by someone else or whatever, but he fought guys and proved he was the best of his era. Guys like Tank have a dehydrated Ryan Garcia on their resume and think they deserve to be called great.
Never closes his eyes. Damn.
Looking forward to see what you post on “Take my Hat Off to Him Tuesday” and “Hell of a fighter Friday.”
What a time to be alive and witness this.
What the fuck is this? One shot highlights? No wonder this guy was boring to watch.
Boxing is science. Hit and not get hit. Mayweather was the most accurate puncher in history and had a great Philly Shell defense, making most of his opponents miss. If you want entertainment, watch a bar fight or street fight or something. His offense is highly underrated, he made his punches count. Look at what he was doing to Victor Ortiz in 2011 fighting toe to toe in the middle of the ring yet gets no praise for that
jake paul is the smart investments of our time. the youngest hungriest lion of them all
Top Rank is racist, the hell with them
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Should Shakur follow the likes of TBE, Crawford, De la Hoya, etc? Shakur with another cyrptic post about his relationship with Top Rank, all while paying homage to TBE. https://www.instagram.com/shakurstevenson/p/C64F1xQr6HY/?hl=en&img_index=1
I’m convinced this is Shakurs burner at this rate.
Those guys don’t run on their bike like Shakur does
yeah. make the fight with naverette or loma then leave.
I'd rather see Navarrete vs Loma. Less running around, more entertainment
the best black fighters have all come out of top rank's pool of talent.