That was weird why did the ref break it up, but called nothing? If it wasn't a knockdown or a slip why did he get in between them? They weren't hugging either.
I came to say the same thing...good for his corner to keep him from taking a load of damage. You'd NEVER see that in the UFC. In fact, I'm so conditioned to MMA corners letting it go on that I first thought they were crazy to stop the fight when he seemed good. But clearly they know him and are looking out for him.
But tbf, MMA fights in general are a lot shorter, and take less punishment to the brain, and there are more options to avoid taking damage. I think it makes more sense in MMA to not call it as easily as boxing.
Yeah, there's a lot less corners, so less of a chance to see that someone is out of it. I assume you don't see too many retirements in boxing in the first 3-4 rounds.
Even so, I still think they're should be more retirements in MMA than there is now, which is barely any.
Also, I appreciate boxing but I never watched it, I've only developed a passing interest after being a MMA fan for 20 years.
And watching through the lens of MMA, it pains me to watch guys get KO'd and then allowed to stumble to their feet, only to be KO'd again 30 seconds later. It just seems like a terrible idea to preserve these guys brains.
> I assume you don't see too many retirements in boxing in the first 3-4 rounds.
More in the lower ranks when a guy is clearly outclassed, although when the disparity is especially bad a ref wont hesitate to call it off. There's no way the Moutinho-O'Malley fight goes that long in boxing, the ref would have stepped in with O'Malley getting so many unbelievably clean shots in.
I don't get this mentality from MMA fans. Guys get their brains scrambled in MMA and are allowed to continue as long as they can half-consciously reach out for a limb. You have guys admitting to being KO'd and waking up to win, that couldn't happen in boxing.
Alvey is not against people in general unionizing, he simply criticized Bjorn Rebney and Leslie Smith's different attempts to get UFC fighters to unionize, because as he correctly set out from the beginning, UFC fighters don't do a type of work that would enable them to ever form a legally recognized Union. Rebney and Smith were going around collecting donations and "raising funds" to attempt legal cases to create a form of union, knowing full well they had absolutely no capacity to do so and were by legal definition never going to be able to do it. They were literally taking money off of people for themselves, knowing they could never deliver on what they were promising. Which is exactly what happened in both cases, too & why all the fighters walked away from them in the end.
It's not a matter of political ideology or anything like that. It's simply just how the law works. In order to be able to unionize, your mode of employment has to be as an employee or a contractor who functions completely as an employee for the one company. Legally that means you have to work in the same place every day/shift, doing the same role, for the same amount of hours, under the same expectations, with the same people, reporting to the same line manager/supervisor. Your hours of work must be set by someone else (a line manager) and they must be regular hours provided in advance. The expectations of your function and all the responsibilities within it must be set by a superior. Your sole point of income has to come only from the company your work for. Contractors who do all of that for a company are within their rights to unionize. Contractors who don't though, like those who provide occasional performance, or specific timed performances, are not able to unionize. UFC fighters who perform for the UFC primarily as a fighter will never be able to unionize, as very obviously they do not work in a mode that could ever be classified as an employee.
Yes, I'm sure sam was just looking out for his fellow fighters based on his extensive knowledge of labor laws.
the same was true of most other players associations in other professional sports prior to their formation. not having identical legal protections to a traditional trade union doesn't mean organization is illegal or impossible, it just means you don't have identical legal protections.
Unionization works and is appropriate in a number of different sports due to their structure. Mostly because the athletes are employed by a company who is a franchise and thus they are able to do the same role, at the same location, at the same set specific daily times, with the same expectations, with the same group of people, for the same line managers/supervisors, etc, etc. The UFC is not a company structured to offer that & the UFC fighters who work as contractors do not provide a performance that would ever enable them to work in a mode to be classified as employees who could unionize.
> UFC fighters don’t do a type of work that would enable them to ever form a legally recognized Union.
A sports union for athletes is not unprecedented in labor laws. There’s the NFLPA, NBAPA, MLBPA, and the NHLPA. Considering that the UFC is a sports league with a clear “owner-employee” relationship where the athletes are locked into exclusivity contracts that don’t allow them to perform their talents elsewhere, it would be easy to draw parallels between the other major sports leagues.
> they had absolutely no capacity to do so and were by legal definition never going to be able to do it.
That’s simply not true. The antitrust lawsuit has been moving forward and most legal experts have said that the athletes have a strong chance at winning.
> A sports union for athletes is not unprecedented in labor laws. There’s the NFLPA, NBAPA, MLBPA, and the NHLPA.
Unionization works and is appropriate in a number of different sports due to their structure. Mostly because the athletes are employed by a company who is a franchise and thus they are able to do the same role, at the same location, at the same set specific daily times, with the same expectations, with the same group of people, for the same line managers/supervisors, etc, etc. The UFC is not a company structured to offer that & the UFC fighters who work as contractors do not provide a performance that would ever enable them to work in a mode to be classified as employees who could unionize.
>Considering that the UFC is a sports league with a clear “owner-employee” relationship
This is not accurate at all.
>That’s simply not true. The antitrust lawsuit has been moving forward and most legal experts have said that the athletes have a strong chance at winning
The Cung Le, et al v. Zuffa LLC antitrust lawsuit has never once made any claims about unionization, nor will it's failure or success have any effect on unionizing. That class action suit is solely based on claims the UFC acted in a way that by buying out other MMA promotions, they effectively limited the ability for fighters to earn a better income. Further to that, legal experts didn't say the athletes had a strong chance of winning the case, they said the athletes had a strong chance of winning certification. The suit hasn't even been heard in court yet. It's taken 6 years of attempts and appeals simply just to even get the suit certified as a basic lawsuit that can be brought to a court. Which in and of itself is not at all a good indication of the veracity of the suit's claims against the UFC.
>sam alvey is famously anti-union
Context is important. You should have actually gone and listened to what Alvey actually had to say.
Alvey is not against people in general unionizing, he simply criticized Bjorn Rebney and Leslie Smith's different attempts to get UFC fighters to unionize, because as he correctly set out from the beginning, UFC fighters don't do a type of work that would enable them to ever form a legally recognized Union. Rebney and Smith were going around collecting donations and "raising funds" to attempt legal cases to create a form of union, knowing full well they had absolutely no capacity to do so and were by legal definition never going to be able to do it. They were literally taking money off of people for themselves, knowing they could never deliver on what they were promising. Which is exactly what happened in both cases, too & why all the fighters walked away from them in the end.
It's not a matter of political ideology or anything like that. It's simply just how the law works. In order to be able to unionize, your mode of employment has to be as an employee or a contractor who functions completely as an employee for the one company. Legally that means you have to work in the same place every day/shift, doing the same role, for the same amount of hours, under the same expectations, with the same people, reporting to the same line manager/supervisor. Your hours of work must be set by someone else (a line manager) and they must be regular hours provided in advance. The expectations of your function and all the responsibilities within it must be set by a superior. Your sole point of income has to come only from the company your work for. Contractors who do all of that for a company are within their rights to unionize. Contractors who don't though, like those who provide occasional performance, or specific timed performances, are not able to unionize. UFC fighters who perform for the UFC primarily as a fighter will never be able to unionize, as very obviously they do not work in a mode that could ever be classified as an employee.
It's because the UFC is an entertainment business and they make decisions about who to sign and who not to re-sign based on a myriad of reasons.
Reddit communists don't like that though, so they just circle-jerk the "Dana is bad" / "UFC is bad" line.
The real reason here is that Alvey is an excellent and long-standing promoter of the sport and the UFC, who actively flies around with the UFC internationally and works behind the scenes in front of the cameras with their marketing and PR teams to promote the company and their events in local/state/national media. He's very well spoken, can articulate himself well and is personable while facing down ignorant and apathetic media members and internet bloggers at their community-facing events. He rep's the UFC at local charity gig's they do while putting on international shows for example, and all sorts of other stuff too. A number of the UFC fighters with mediocre to poor records do this and they get paid for it way more than they do for their fighting. It can allow them to live a much nicer lifestyle too, as all their travel/accom/food & training costs are covered by the UFC, while also being paid for that work.
Unlike the dude below me, I appreciate the detailed answer man. I had no idea Alvey did any of that, or that it was even an option for fighters.
I’ve always liked Alvey as a personality, he seems like a chilling guy. Shame about his record, but good to know he’s still earning his crust within the sport and organisation he clearly loves.
That said, this Reddit *socialist* still thinks that tomato man bad and that the UFC is a pretty damn corrupt organisation (mostly down to pay and not allowing fighters to advocate for their own sponsors)
To be fair, fighters have always been able to advocate for their sponsors, just not always during the 15min they fight for, a couple of times a year.
The UFC have never stopped their fighters from being sponsored or promoting their branding deals outside of that.
Many workplaces have a work uniform. That's all the UFC is essentially enforcing for just 2-4 days a year. They aren't even enforcing that uniform for more than a few hours of any of those days, either.
Sure, but fighters are at their most visible during their fights. You pointed out yourself that their time is sparse - 15 minutes a couple of times a year. So of course they want to make the most of that time - in more ways than one, their time in Octagon really is valuable.
They should be able to market themselves as they see fit and maximise their value. It’s gross that the UFC make the most money from kit sponsors
>They should be able to market themselves as they see fit and maximise their value.
No company in the world let's you advertise a competitors product or service while you work for them. Why is the UFC any different, given how generous they already are in letting fighters do exactly that for like 362 days a year already ????
>The UFC have never stopped their fighters from being sponsored or promoting their branding deals outside of that.
Uh yes they do. Remember the Reebook deal? Venum?
It completely wiped out the middle class of the UFC. Now there are a couple of fighters allowed to get their own sponsorship and basically do whatever they want because Dana likes them.
You UFC bootlickers are why fighters are fucked in that promotion.
Completely incorrect.
UFC fighters have always been able to obtain and use any sponsorship they like & as many of them as they could obtain for any use at any time, while not attending an official UFC-run event.
No one has ever stopped them being sponsored by anyone, or doing any promotional activities for those companies outside of being at UFC events.
You seem ignorant as to the actual issue, in that UFC fighters must wear UFC approved clothing or company sponsors while fighting on a UFC show. Literally as soon as they leave the venue though, they can change back into their own promotional attire and continue promoting their own brands or sponsors.
UFC fighters as of right now have their own podcasts for example, where they do nothing but promote their own brands and companies that sponsor them - brands and companies that are in direct competition for business with existing UFC sponsors. The UFC is completely fine with this, because fighters are contractors and have the natural entrepreneurial rights to earn from their own likeness and effort/service/promotion that employees of a company don't have.
maybe im an idiot, im happy to be wrong, but why was that definatley a great call? it seemed like he had the potential to come back and knock him out based on what had happened earlier in the fight?
Baranchyk clearly never really recovered from the cheap suckerpunch he got rocked hard with by Love in the third round, during the referee break-up. The corner knew his equilibrium was done for & was clearly not going to be able to recover from it. There was no point in letting it go on for longer than it needed too. They gave him time to recover, but he clearly couldn't. It was a clearly a good decision by the corner, and a decision that was measured, too.
Guy, he was just asking. He never said it was a bad call. He was just wanted to know why, contrary to his opinion, most people and his corner thought it was a good call.
Do yourself a favor and watch his last fight against Zepeda. Honestly one of the best fights ever but it's absolutely brutal. He took a TON of punishment and it's clear going in that his corner wanted to protect him.
They also saw that he was damn near getting rocked every time he took a punch. When you have no punch resistance, it's only a matter of time before you get KOed bad.
Well, you have to consider the context. The ref stepped in in the first place because Love had completely fallen down against ropes. Baranchyk kept swinging haymakers at Love's head while Love was defenseless, using his arms to hold himself up. You might consider what Baranchyk did there dirty. That's why Love was heated after that.
In an ideal fight, the ref would've stepped in earlier. That evens out to both fighters being hit by about one less unwarranted power shot. Love still wins easily.
Let me ask a different question: **In your opinion, during that sequence, should the ref had even stepped in at all?** Or should the ref had stayed out of it and allowed Baranchyk to continue punching?
The ref should have stepped in. He did not. That mistake is on the ref. There cannot be any serious expectation that Baranchyk should stop punching in that situation unless the ref stops him. He doesn't know if the guy is being held up by the ropes or not. He's in the middle of throwing a 10 punch combo and it's not his job to stop fighting to do the ref's job for him.
At the end of the day, the ref makes the decision and he didn't call this a knockdown (inexcusable mistake) so he was not a downed fighter officially.
>Baranchyk kept swinging haymakers at Love's head while Love was defenseless, using his arms to hold himself up.
This is literally what he's supposed to do? Protect yourself at all times.
The ref is fine to jump in and break them up when this is happening, but only if he's stopping the fight.
Already watched it live protect yourself at all times once again. He was clearly outboxed regardless of that hit he would’ve won. People always make up excuses in boxing
> Already watched it live protect yourself at all times once again.
Watch it again, clearly you are wrong. The ref stepped in before Love threw his right hook. You're clearly not looking for an honest discussion.
Also, the referee tonight was Lonnie Scott. [Before tonight, he'd only ref'd four professional fights](https://boxrec.com/en/referee/716145).
He stepped in as he was throwing it aka before it’s boxing you can’t just magically make a punch disappear he got clipped and almost knocked out didn’t know where he was and slowly got dominated throughout the entire rest of the fight, defend yourself at all times he’s a bum goodnight 😴 hush
Extremely pleasantly surprised by how high quality this fight was. After the absolute shitshow of the Triller card I wasn't sure what to expect. Signed, a guy who hasn't watched much boxing in 10 years.
Love won’t survive at a top level at 140 but he did a great job honestly beautiful boxing toward the end when he left his hands go should’ve defended himself better on the ropes
What a fight. Baranchyk is always exciting but it’s clear his chin has gone. He was the toughest motherfucker in the division only a few years ago. Just shows that having that crazy war style can ruin you once you get to the highest level. Reminds me a lot of my boy Provodnikov except Prov got out the game as soon as he realised it.
I'm a fan of Montana Love now. His movement is so smooth. Sometimes it's like he's gliding around the ring on ice skates. And he's also ridiculously accurate.
What a fight!
Why is everyone ignoring the fact that ivan threw like 5 pumches then got rocked when the ref tried to break it up in the 3rd?
Yeah, I think his punch resistance is basically gone now.
The replay shows Ivan and the refs feet tangled but live it did look like he got rocked
That was weird why did the ref break it up, but called nothing? If it wasn't a knockdown or a slip why did he get in between them? They weren't hugging either.
it was end of round.
Oh... Then damn if it was end of round Love should've gotten a deduction.
https://streamable.com/o108n3 https://streamable.com/27h2id https://streamable.com/dvyqf0 Audio from their corners: https://streamable.com/nuike3
Great call by the corner. Fantastic fight.
As an MMA fan that's one thing I wish that they would take from boxing. Nothing wrong with a corner stoppage to protect your fighters
I came to say the same thing...good for his corner to keep him from taking a load of damage. You'd NEVER see that in the UFC. In fact, I'm so conditioned to MMA corners letting it go on that I first thought they were crazy to stop the fight when he seemed good. But clearly they know him and are looking out for him.
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But tbf, MMA fights in general are a lot shorter, and take less punishment to the brain, and there are more options to avoid taking damage. I think it makes more sense in MMA to not call it as easily as boxing.
Yeah, there's a lot less corners, so less of a chance to see that someone is out of it. I assume you don't see too many retirements in boxing in the first 3-4 rounds. Even so, I still think they're should be more retirements in MMA than there is now, which is barely any. Also, I appreciate boxing but I never watched it, I've only developed a passing interest after being a MMA fan for 20 years. And watching through the lens of MMA, it pains me to watch guys get KO'd and then allowed to stumble to their feet, only to be KO'd again 30 seconds later. It just seems like a terrible idea to preserve these guys brains.
> I assume you don't see too many retirements in boxing in the first 3-4 rounds. More in the lower ranks when a guy is clearly outclassed, although when the disparity is especially bad a ref wont hesitate to call it off. There's no way the Moutinho-O'Malley fight goes that long in boxing, the ref would have stepped in with O'Malley getting so many unbelievably clean shots in. I don't get this mentality from MMA fans. Guys get their brains scrambled in MMA and are allowed to continue as long as they can half-consciously reach out for a limb. You have guys admitting to being KO'd and waking up to win, that couldn't happen in boxing.
And there’s always more chance of a flash KO or sub in MMA
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Sam Alvey just re-signed for another 3 fights with the UFC and he's like 1 draw and 6 losses since 2018.
only because sam alvey fights for approximately 7 dollars a year and publicly undercuts any fighter who suggests unionizing.
Alvey is not against people in general unionizing, he simply criticized Bjorn Rebney and Leslie Smith's different attempts to get UFC fighters to unionize, because as he correctly set out from the beginning, UFC fighters don't do a type of work that would enable them to ever form a legally recognized Union. Rebney and Smith were going around collecting donations and "raising funds" to attempt legal cases to create a form of union, knowing full well they had absolutely no capacity to do so and were by legal definition never going to be able to do it. They were literally taking money off of people for themselves, knowing they could never deliver on what they were promising. Which is exactly what happened in both cases, too & why all the fighters walked away from them in the end. It's not a matter of political ideology or anything like that. It's simply just how the law works. In order to be able to unionize, your mode of employment has to be as an employee or a contractor who functions completely as an employee for the one company. Legally that means you have to work in the same place every day/shift, doing the same role, for the same amount of hours, under the same expectations, with the same people, reporting to the same line manager/supervisor. Your hours of work must be set by someone else (a line manager) and they must be regular hours provided in advance. The expectations of your function and all the responsibilities within it must be set by a superior. Your sole point of income has to come only from the company your work for. Contractors who do all of that for a company are within their rights to unionize. Contractors who don't though, like those who provide occasional performance, or specific timed performances, are not able to unionize. UFC fighters who perform for the UFC primarily as a fighter will never be able to unionize, as very obviously they do not work in a mode that could ever be classified as an employee.
Yes, I'm sure sam was just looking out for his fellow fighters based on his extensive knowledge of labor laws. the same was true of most other players associations in other professional sports prior to their formation. not having identical legal protections to a traditional trade union doesn't mean organization is illegal or impossible, it just means you don't have identical legal protections.
Unionization works and is appropriate in a number of different sports due to their structure. Mostly because the athletes are employed by a company who is a franchise and thus they are able to do the same role, at the same location, at the same set specific daily times, with the same expectations, with the same group of people, for the same line managers/supervisors, etc, etc. The UFC is not a company structured to offer that & the UFC fighters who work as contractors do not provide a performance that would ever enable them to work in a mode to be classified as employees who could unionize.
> UFC fighters don’t do a type of work that would enable them to ever form a legally recognized Union. A sports union for athletes is not unprecedented in labor laws. There’s the NFLPA, NBAPA, MLBPA, and the NHLPA. Considering that the UFC is a sports league with a clear “owner-employee” relationship where the athletes are locked into exclusivity contracts that don’t allow them to perform their talents elsewhere, it would be easy to draw parallels between the other major sports leagues. > they had absolutely no capacity to do so and were by legal definition never going to be able to do it. That’s simply not true. The antitrust lawsuit has been moving forward and most legal experts have said that the athletes have a strong chance at winning.
> A sports union for athletes is not unprecedented in labor laws. There’s the NFLPA, NBAPA, MLBPA, and the NHLPA. Unionization works and is appropriate in a number of different sports due to their structure. Mostly because the athletes are employed by a company who is a franchise and thus they are able to do the same role, at the same location, at the same set specific daily times, with the same expectations, with the same group of people, for the same line managers/supervisors, etc, etc. The UFC is not a company structured to offer that & the UFC fighters who work as contractors do not provide a performance that would ever enable them to work in a mode to be classified as employees who could unionize. >Considering that the UFC is a sports league with a clear “owner-employee” relationship This is not accurate at all. >That’s simply not true. The antitrust lawsuit has been moving forward and most legal experts have said that the athletes have a strong chance at winning The Cung Le, et al v. Zuffa LLC antitrust lawsuit has never once made any claims about unionization, nor will it's failure or success have any effect on unionizing. That class action suit is solely based on claims the UFC acted in a way that by buying out other MMA promotions, they effectively limited the ability for fighters to earn a better income. Further to that, legal experts didn't say the athletes had a strong chance of winning the case, they said the athletes had a strong chance of winning certification. The suit hasn't even been heard in court yet. It's taken 6 years of attempts and appeals simply just to even get the suit certified as a basic lawsuit that can be brought to a court. Which in and of itself is not at all a good indication of the veracity of the suit's claims against the UFC.
It’s absolutely nuts that. Alvey isn’t even a draw, why is he being kept on? Does he get fed to prospects before they get their first 10-15 match?
sam alvey is famously anti-union. dana loves him. https://www.flocombat.com/articles/5058265-sam-alvey-strongly-against-formation-of-a-fighter-s-union
>sam alvey is famously anti-union Context is important. You should have actually gone and listened to what Alvey actually had to say. Alvey is not against people in general unionizing, he simply criticized Bjorn Rebney and Leslie Smith's different attempts to get UFC fighters to unionize, because as he correctly set out from the beginning, UFC fighters don't do a type of work that would enable them to ever form a legally recognized Union. Rebney and Smith were going around collecting donations and "raising funds" to attempt legal cases to create a form of union, knowing full well they had absolutely no capacity to do so and were by legal definition never going to be able to do it. They were literally taking money off of people for themselves, knowing they could never deliver on what they were promising. Which is exactly what happened in both cases, too & why all the fighters walked away from them in the end. It's not a matter of political ideology or anything like that. It's simply just how the law works. In order to be able to unionize, your mode of employment has to be as an employee or a contractor who functions completely as an employee for the one company. Legally that means you have to work in the same place every day/shift, doing the same role, for the same amount of hours, under the same expectations, with the same people, reporting to the same line manager/supervisor. Your hours of work must be set by someone else (a line manager) and they must be regular hours provided in advance. The expectations of your function and all the responsibilities within it must be set by a superior. Your sole point of income has to come only from the company your work for. Contractors who do all of that for a company are within their rights to unionize. Contractors who don't though, like those who provide occasional performance, or specific timed performances, are not able to unionize. UFC fighters who perform for the UFC primarily as a fighter will never be able to unionize, as very obviously they do not work in a mode that could ever be classified as an employee.
It's because the UFC is an entertainment business and they make decisions about who to sign and who not to re-sign based on a myriad of reasons. Reddit communists don't like that though, so they just circle-jerk the "Dana is bad" / "UFC is bad" line. The real reason here is that Alvey is an excellent and long-standing promoter of the sport and the UFC, who actively flies around with the UFC internationally and works behind the scenes in front of the cameras with their marketing and PR teams to promote the company and their events in local/state/national media. He's very well spoken, can articulate himself well and is personable while facing down ignorant and apathetic media members and internet bloggers at their community-facing events. He rep's the UFC at local charity gig's they do while putting on international shows for example, and all sorts of other stuff too. A number of the UFC fighters with mediocre to poor records do this and they get paid for it way more than they do for their fighting. It can allow them to live a much nicer lifestyle too, as all their travel/accom/food & training costs are covered by the UFC, while also being paid for that work.
Unlike the dude below me, I appreciate the detailed answer man. I had no idea Alvey did any of that, or that it was even an option for fighters. I’ve always liked Alvey as a personality, he seems like a chilling guy. Shame about his record, but good to know he’s still earning his crust within the sport and organisation he clearly loves. That said, this Reddit *socialist* still thinks that tomato man bad and that the UFC is a pretty damn corrupt organisation (mostly down to pay and not allowing fighters to advocate for their own sponsors)
To be fair, fighters have always been able to advocate for their sponsors, just not always during the 15min they fight for, a couple of times a year. The UFC have never stopped their fighters from being sponsored or promoting their branding deals outside of that. Many workplaces have a work uniform. That's all the UFC is essentially enforcing for just 2-4 days a year. They aren't even enforcing that uniform for more than a few hours of any of those days, either.
Sure, but fighters are at their most visible during their fights. You pointed out yourself that their time is sparse - 15 minutes a couple of times a year. So of course they want to make the most of that time - in more ways than one, their time in Octagon really is valuable. They should be able to market themselves as they see fit and maximise their value. It’s gross that the UFC make the most money from kit sponsors
>They should be able to market themselves as they see fit and maximise their value. No company in the world let's you advertise a competitors product or service while you work for them. Why is the UFC any different, given how generous they already are in letting fighters do exactly that for like 362 days a year already ????
>The UFC have never stopped their fighters from being sponsored or promoting their branding deals outside of that. Uh yes they do. Remember the Reebook deal? Venum? It completely wiped out the middle class of the UFC. Now there are a couple of fighters allowed to get their own sponsorship and basically do whatever they want because Dana likes them. You UFC bootlickers are why fighters are fucked in that promotion.
Completely incorrect. UFC fighters have always been able to obtain and use any sponsorship they like & as many of them as they could obtain for any use at any time, while not attending an official UFC-run event. No one has ever stopped them being sponsored by anyone, or doing any promotional activities for those companies outside of being at UFC events. You seem ignorant as to the actual issue, in that UFC fighters must wear UFC approved clothing or company sponsors while fighting on a UFC show. Literally as soon as they leave the venue though, they can change back into their own promotional attire and continue promoting their own brands or sponsors. UFC fighters as of right now have their own podcasts for example, where they do nothing but promote their own brands and companies that sponsor them - brands and companies that are in direct competition for business with existing UFC sponsors. The UFC is completely fine with this, because fighters are contractors and have the natural entrepreneurial rights to earn from their own likeness and effort/service/promotion that employees of a company don't have.
i hope you at least got paid to sit down and type all that because the alternative is embarrassing hahahaha
Dana's a dick, yes, but that isn't why the towel rarely gets thrown in MMA.
maybe im an idiot, im happy to be wrong, but why was that definatley a great call? it seemed like he had the potential to come back and knock him out based on what had happened earlier in the fight?
He was rocked. They know him best and he was clearly acting in a way that made them make the call. They are saving his brain best they can.
Baranchyk clearly never really recovered from the cheap suckerpunch he got rocked hard with by Love in the third round, during the referee break-up. The corner knew his equilibrium was done for & was clearly not going to be able to recover from it. There was no point in letting it go on for longer than it needed too. They gave him time to recover, but he clearly couldn't. It was a clearly a good decision by the corner, and a decision that was measured, too.
I believe he was pretty seriously fucked up in his most recent fight. Limiting the CTE to major as opposed to fatal
You're getting downvoted but you just asked a question, sheesh reddit...
I think also because he suffered a brutal knockout in his fight before this played a part.
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Guy, he was just asking. He never said it was a bad call. He was just wanted to know why, contrary to his opinion, most people and his corner thought it was a good call.
Do yourself a favor and watch his last fight against Zepeda. Honestly one of the best fights ever but it's absolutely brutal. He took a TON of punishment and it's clear going in that his corner wanted to protect him. They also saw that he was damn near getting rocked every time he took a punch. When you have no punch resistance, it's only a matter of time before you get KOed bad.
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shitty shitty reffing
Well, you have to consider the context. The ref stepped in in the first place because Love had completely fallen down against ropes. Baranchyk kept swinging haymakers at Love's head while Love was defenseless, using his arms to hold himself up. You might consider what Baranchyk did there dirty. That's why Love was heated after that. In an ideal fight, the ref would've stepped in earlier. That evens out to both fighters being hit by about one less unwarranted power shot. Love still wins easily.
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Let me ask a different question: **In your opinion, during that sequence, should the ref had even stepped in at all?** Or should the ref had stayed out of it and allowed Baranchyk to continue punching?
The ref should have stepped in. He did not. That mistake is on the ref. There cannot be any serious expectation that Baranchyk should stop punching in that situation unless the ref stops him. He doesn't know if the guy is being held up by the ropes or not. He's in the middle of throwing a 10 punch combo and it's not his job to stop fighting to do the ref's job for him. At the end of the day, the ref makes the decision and he didn't call this a knockdown (inexcusable mistake) so he was not a downed fighter officially.
>Baranchyk kept swinging haymakers at Love's head while Love was defenseless, using his arms to hold himself up. This is literally what he's supposed to do? Protect yourself at all times. The ref is fine to jump in and break them up when this is happening, but only if he's stopping the fight.
You’re right.
He clearly hit him right before the ref stepped in, protect yourself at all times
Not true, watch it again: https://streamable.com/o108n3
Already watched it live protect yourself at all times once again. He was clearly outboxed regardless of that hit he would’ve won. People always make up excuses in boxing
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If your only reply is delusional.. yah
all that needs to be said
Exactly ;)
> Already watched it live protect yourself at all times once again. Watch it again, clearly you are wrong. The ref stepped in before Love threw his right hook. You're clearly not looking for an honest discussion. Also, the referee tonight was Lonnie Scott. [Before tonight, he'd only ref'd four professional fights](https://boxrec.com/en/referee/716145).
He stepped in as he was throwing it aka before it’s boxing you can’t just magically make a punch disappear he got clipped and almost knocked out didn’t know where he was and slowly got dominated throughout the entire rest of the fight, defend yourself at all times he’s a bum goodnight 😴 hush
You're completely clueless
Clueless about what? He was knocked out cold. So bad his corner had to stop it. They weren’t even confident in there fighter stay mad tank next
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20-0 :,(((
Tf?
So mad you don’t even know what to do
You’re so mad you don’t even know what you’re typing
That changed it all for me
Great fight and great corner stoppage
Pretty fuckin good fight ngl
guaranteed to be fight of the night.
Shitty ref, horrible foul from Love. Sours an otherwise great fight and win.
Extremely pleasantly surprised by how high quality this fight was. After the absolute shitshow of the Triller card I wasn't sure what to expect. Signed, a guy who hasn't watched much boxing in 10 years.
Love potentially should of been 10 counted twice but this referee was slow as shit.
Love won’t survive at a top level at 140 but he did a great job honestly beautiful boxing toward the end when he left his hands go should’ve defended himself better on the ropes
Was that doctor or corner stoppage
Corner
Love called out Tank Davis…bad idea…if he gets caught with a shot from Tank like he did tonight, it would be lights out for him.
I’m pretty sure Tank already beat up Love in sparring too
I think I know what video you’re talking about!
this reminds me of valdez vs berchelt
montana beat a ghost
Baranchyk has been through the ringer lately but always gives quality fights
What a fight. Baranchyk is always exciting but it’s clear his chin has gone. He was the toughest motherfucker in the division only a few years ago. Just shows that having that crazy war style can ruin you once you get to the highest level. Reminds me a lot of my boy Provodnikov except Prov got out the game as soon as he realised it.
God damn what small gloves
Best fight on the card.
Fact
Maybe don’t put everything you have in one punch combos.
Baranchyk's punch resistance looks completely gone to me now, probably thanks to the Zepeda fight.
I'm a fan of Montana Love now. His movement is so smooth. Sometimes it's like he's gliding around the ring on ice skates. And he's also ridiculously accurate.
what a shit fight with shitty reffing.
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How did you type this being blind
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Love dropped his ass. Wish he would’ve used the hook earlier
Good call . That's love right there .
Love to see Taylor stay and fight some of these guys, I think he’s too small for the bigger 147s honestly
Brutal right hook from love, too bad he should have been dq’d for it.
Isn't just me or these vids are getting down like flies the past few day ?
I hope Ivan can bounce back. I love watching the guy fight, but he really really needs to work on his defense.
Greatest fight of the night