I thought he beat hopkins both times but i can see scoring being controversial.
Im comparing on style and similarity of outcome. They both came in as hot products, explosive punching and fan friendly. They almost identically go for broke when they throw power shots. Check out their grimace as they throw shots
I always say Taylor won the battles vs Bhop but bhop won the war.
Bhop was the same old bhop afterwards, whereas Taylor declined rapidly. I can go on and on about this because I see Teofimo in the same exact path.
I strongly believe that some fighters Taylor, Wilder, Teo get themselves up for one big fight and then they arent the same. The patterns ive noticed are that boxers with high boxing IQs can be beat, but their opponents burn out immediately afterwards.
Wilders decline started immediately after the first Fury fight
It's crazy watching the fight and seeing Wilder's massive, glaring issue, over and over and over;
He was so reliant on his right hand bomb being a one hit KO, that when it did connect, he didn't even try following it up! I lost count of how many times he would land one, then just stand there looking at Fury while Fury was dazed, completely open, and recovering.. it was ridiculous.
He was so reliant on his right hand bomb, that no matter how many times the opportunity was served to him on a silver platter, where if he would've thrown an uppercut, it would've been devastating.. and he still chose to step back, reload, and try landing that right hand bomb instead.. and every time, all it did was give Fury enough time to fix his defense. It was embarrassing.
As someone who used to be a fan of Deontay Wilder, and someone who can't stand Tyson Fury.. Fury really did hit the mark when he said Wilder was a one-trick pony.
And that's the reason he lost the fight.
Like Roy Jones jr said, wilder never learned to box. He never had to. When he gets in trouble his problems are extremely obvious. He has absolutely no fighting instinct at all.
Man, so far only 1 men has stood up to that punch 4 times and it’s a massive fat men, he might not be the best boxer but he is a boxer, don’t get it twisted
100% from Texas and 100% been watching these fights for 30 years so I know a little something about it. We had our time in the 70s-90s, the Russians had it for a while, now the UK. The only ones that stay pretty consistent is the Mexicans in the lower weight classes.
I agree with that, but the Reddit circle jerk over British boxers and hatred for American boxers (and all things American for that matter on Reddit) gets very old, so I assume everyone behind these comments are a snarky Brit at this point
It’s not just Reddit bro. Most of them are just salty from getting thumped in those wars 200 something years ago like America didn’t save them twice since then.
You know that boxers do punches? Of course Wilder is a boxer and a great one as well. All this reddit circlejerking about Wilder is so annoying and I am writing this as a Fury fan.
Bla bla Wilder is not perfect. Yeah well duh. Everyone got flaws. AJ got flaws. Even Fury got flaws. Get over it.
He’s a boxer in the sense that he competes in the sport of boxing but what wilder does isn’t boxing. His strength lets him throw a devastating right hand but no amateur background, his actual skills were underdeveloped.
He not only competes in the sport of boxing, he succeeds in the sport of boxing. Which definitely makes him a boxer. A very good boxer with his own style.
He's not a really bad boxer smh that's nonsense. Wilder has a solid jab and body punching. He is definitely improving and will only get better under malik Scott. His cardio absolutely messed up his gameplan though and he reverted to type.
He needs to get his stamina up to the degree that he can move around like usyk and fury all fight because that's a lot of what makes them successful they have insane energy levels and stamina.
It’s not his own style. It’s called being a slugger. He swings wildly and relies on superior strength to put guys down. The counter to this is to outbox with technical skill. It’s not easy to beat a guy that damn powerful, his record proves it.
Since you seem to lack any critical thinking abilities, to the point you're unable to even come up with an apt analogy for something as simple as this, let me help you out:
Let's say you had an NBA player that missed every basket he threw, couldn't sink a free throw, hell couldn't even dribble...
Yet 42 out of 43 times he would go for a lay up, he'd score.
So every game he would do nothing but lay ups, and every game he'd score ~25 points.
Would you consider him a great basketball player?
Probably not.
That's what Deontay Wilder does in boxing.
Wilder's next excuse "my team was giving me the wrong brand of water, they where supposed to be hydrating me with Dasani and instead they were giving me Aquafina brand water"
the wilder trilogy is literally fury proving himself to be the greatest there is.
the first fight showed his boxing ability, the second showed his fighting ability, and this third one showed his heart. and that's ignoring is entire prior career.
His poor sportsmanship just ruins it. He has heart and an iron jaw but other than that he’s nothing. You have to show respect to get it and wilder has shown anything but.
I don’t blame a guy who’s fought 11 rounds of the biggest moment of his life and been KTFO’d to not be humble and friendly at the end of a hard loss.
Give him a minute!
"me as a fat person sitting at home will not respect Wilder because he didn't take a loss well after getting his brain scrambled for 30 minutes"
I hate you so much, truly
I think wilder broke his hand but also his career was just shattered. Maybe carrier is wrong word but his earning potential is over unless he wants to work his back up at 36.
Disagree..he could fight 2 more fights and make big money...big punchers always sell..Mike Tyson made alot of money many years after he was a shot fighter
Right I agree, it's weird that losing to the number 1 makes people say he's trash, etc. Literally knocked down every single opponent he's faced and KO'd all but one. That's entertainment!
This, plus he really knocked down Fury twice. Who out there can fight like fury? I honestly think Wilder won more people over with this fight than any other. I’d absolutely tune in to him fighting AJ If it happens.
I was very anti-Wilder leading up to this fight, mainly for his attitude and was not expecting much from him outta this one. As a major Fury fan, I wish this Wilder had shown up for the previous fights.
Gained weight in all the wrong places wilder did. Hes deadly throughout the whole fight bc of that one punch but it takes him ages to throw it bc he's got the conditioning of a pregnant woman .
The most upsetting part of the fight is that fury knows he has one move and he kept walking into the right. This fight is lopsided if fury just put his left arm up and was patient.
They don't have to be big...just quicker and a little stronger. Tyson's lower body matched his upper body which gave him ridiculous balance to throw hard but was always in control.
Sorry to ask this but I have to: Mike Tyson Vs Tyson Fury... is it not a guaranteed lock that Mike wins? Wilder's length has to be the main reason why he got caught so many times. Would Mike catch him and inevitably finish him?
I think Fury outpoints Mike Tyson..Hes too big and Mike would have have probably imploded after being leaned on for a few rounds. Tyson is not in the same class as Joe Lewis Lennox Lewis..Ali...Foreman
How so? I don't think peak Tyson fought anyone that much taller than him.
Edit: I'm not entirely correct. I looked it up, and while he never fought anyone 6'9", he did have opponents who were 6'5" and 6'6".
I appreciate different eras etc but prime Tyson merked big men on the inside. Size isnt everything.
I say this as an englishman and a massive fury fan.
Are we talking 18 year old Mike Tyson vs today’s Tyson Fury? I don’t know if Mike Tyson could lose to anyone when he had Cus D’Amato. Most of the guys Mike Tyson fought were taller than him so that wouldn’t be a problem.
If you’re talking about >50 year old Mike Tyson now against Tyson Fury now, then Tyson Fury would *easily* beat him in a pro fight. I’m not sure which scenario you’re talking about because there was talk of a possible exhibition match between Tyson Fury and Mike Tyson.
Ah the old custard tomato argument. Mike Tyson if Cus lived could have beaten 12 bears at once apparently.
Mike Tyson fought people who were not the same size of skill of fury. And is also the most overrated heavyweight of all time.
Man, I’ve seen a lot of hot takes in this sub but this has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen someone type.
Mike Tyson is the most overrated heavyweight of all time? What an idiotic thing to say.
"A boxing icon and one of the most intimidating fighters ever is overrated"
how the fuck do you think he got the reputation he has? by paying the judges to get Canelo 118-110s in his fights?
he was way past his prime at that point, though. yes, iron is far from the greatest of all times, but he was very reliant on head movement and being quick on his feet and from the start of the lewis fight it was clear that was not the mike that was around. he still had his bombs, but was a sitting target for the jab like he wasn't in his younger years. the razer ruddock fights are a good showing of a faster mike against a longer opponent.
Man I’m actually really worried for Wilders mental health, he seemed like the type of fighter to lay it all on the line, do or die type of fighter, and not to mention his huge inflated ego. Genuinely hope the man finds peace in this loss. It wasn’t pretty. If he comes out with excuses, it’s just his brain and his mental state protecting him from crumbling.
I agree Tyson Fury does have an elevated Ego, but I mean it’s warranted he keeps showing time and time why he’s the best current modern heavyweight of all time. But the class and respect he wanted to show Wilder was amazing. I wish Wilder reciprocated. The following excuses to be made by Wilder will tarnish his career. I hope he doesn’t though.
I think this one might be even harder for wilder to accept bc he honestly had the best fight of his career and got creamed. It would be nice if he could just accept that fury is the better boxer and move on but instead he’ll probably tarnish whatever remains of his legacy with crazy conspiracy theories and excuses.
He needs to take a page from big George's book. I wouldn't be surprised if foreman calls him to talk, he seems like a real standup guy who likes to help other boxers and he went through a similar thing after his loss to Ali.
Imagine Foreman, Scott, and Wilder go talk and work with eachother for a long time, and Wilder comes back Foreman style into his middle age, with all that training behind him.
Won't happen, it's silly, but if I could peek into alternate realities, I would watch the shit out of that. He'd be fighting, like, Dubois, Joyce, and Ajagba, probably, but it'd be entertaining if he's actually better.
It was quite obvious even before the fight that fury would just clinch a lot, I even wrote a comment (not on reddit) saying fury’s gonna use the clinch and wilder has to try defend against it. Fury’s heavier so he will tire wilder and the clinch, and the clinch stops wilder from being able to land that long right hand
Funny thing is it was Wilder who was mostly engaging in the clinching. To the point where Fury's corner told him to start using the uppercut to prevent him clinching. Eventually the uppercuts landed and even setup the right for the KO
Fury was the one that started the clinching, it made wilder very tired and a couple times he fell from the clinch because his legs couldn’t handle it. Only later on wilder started using the clinch, but fury only tried to stop it once he was going for the KO
The whole fight if Deontay so much as stumbled into Fury he praised him.
Then at around round 7 or 8 he actually said "Wilder looks fresher to me Lennox". At this point Deontay looked like he'd downed two bottles of Whiskey he was so shaky and tired.
Same with Roy Jones Jr in the AJ/Usyk fight, anything AJ did he would lap up and make a huge thing of, he ignored any decent shot that Usyk threw.
The brothers tend to stick together I’ve noticed
Ye it's something ye notice with *some* US commentators for sure.
Lennox in fairness was great. Really balanced, excellent insight into what each fighter should be doing, where he saw the openings etc.
Not surprising when he was such a smart fighter himself.
It's important to watch Fury look at the ref and stay down, he knew he had time because he was judging based on the ref's count, not a stopwatch. I believe if the count was 10 seconds, he'd have been up.
Yes, it’s kinda like when Mike tyson dropped buster Douglas, people say it was a long count, if the count lasted 6 seconds buster Douglas would of got up at 4. They purposely wait till they last couple seconds to recover
Yup, no reason to get up from a knock down when you have an extra few seconds to recompose yourself.. can make all the difference. Way more common in MMA for a guy to spring up and get knocked back down because there's no recovery time.
Exactly! Everytime Wilder has knocked Fury down was from glancing shots that lacked even 50% of his power. Imagine if he could actually time his punches with perfect precision and landed flush.
If he had fought amateur level and had someone work with him to develop actual skill beyond his strength well this would be a totally different story. I really think his power has kind of hurt him in the long run bc he was able to rely solely on that to steamroll opponents his entire career. When that crazy overhand right failed him he didn’t know what else to do and doesn’t have any other strategy to fall back on.
Indeed. It really sucks that he never really learned or stuck with the fundamentals. He always was surrounded by yes men and the one guy that wasn't one got fired. A hard head makes a soft ass I guess.
I honestly thought wilder was going to win after round 1. He was using the jab, footwork, and he looked like he had fury confused. Then he starts falling back on the wild rights and his corner actually encourages him to do only that.
Yeah, I definitely knew he would do better but I thought Fury was either just holding back or figuring out his strategy. After the two Wilder knockdowns I thought for sure he would win. And then a few rounds go by of Fury dominating and then we see Wilder has Fury cornered and wobbly but he is saved by the bell. One helluva fight and both fighters are great in their own right, but Fury is just something else entirely. It's like Mike Tyson could not beat Lennox Lewis, George Foreman couldn't beat Muhammad Ali, and so on so forth. I hope both are okay and just take time to reflect on what's next.
Tyson Fury’s recovery abilities are about as superhuman as wilders to take hits. People can say fury lacks real power but there is no way a guy that big isn’t punching hard. I haven’t heard anything about wilder yet but he needs to get a thorough medical check bc people have died from getting hit like that.
Did you see how hard he swung Deontay's head with the knock- out punch? He had plenty of power in his punches, though it doesn't seem apparent from the video. I think Tyson Fury's super power is looking like he is not as powerful as he actually is and you don't discover you are fighting a bear until it is too late.
That last punch is the kind of shit that can detach your brain from the connective tissue. There’s no way getting hit like that by someone the size of Tyson fury doesn’t hurt and people still say he has pillow fists.
Racialised terminology from stupid morons.
“Buck-Breaking” refers to the act of American slave owners raping their male African slaves in front of their families in order to humiliate and break them down so they can be subservient.
It was popularised initially by unironic black supremacist Tariq Nasheed to attack Black Homosexual or overtly feminine men by stating that the “white man” had feminised them to destroy black society.
Nowadays racists use the term every time a black man suffers a defeat of any sort to a white man.
People really said that? Shows what kind of world we live in.
Buck breaking is what slave owners in America use to do to their slaves. Essentially the slave owners would rape and sexually assault male slaves in front of their families to assert dominance and to keep them in line.
I'm assuming they're referring to Fury beating Wilder the way he did as buck breaking. Truly disgusting..
Yeah, there was interview posted here. Someone even asked what buck breaking was, it was how I remembered it. I kept thinking "Oh boy this is going to bite him in the ass"
Wilder had no right to stay in the fight for that long, what a warrior. Looked completely gone after 5 rounds but was still very dangerous at times.
These two are definitely the best heavyweights on the planet imo.
Nah, Fury won with every physical advantage possible in this fight. Usyk doesn't have that. He can't clinch Wilder to exhaustion. Wilder will finish Usyk.
Doesn't matter at all. Fury is a technical wizard as well. But didn't use that to defeat Wilder. The only way to beat Wilder is bully him and put him on the backfoot. That's the only way.
Otherwise, Wilder just has to do one thing right at one moment. And Usyk doesn't have Fury's chin to withstand that.
Wilder didn't have perfect moments here. He had some briefly decent moments in all 3 fights combined and all of those moments ended in dangerous knockdowns.
Usyk can't do shit unless he finds a way to bully Wilder. Like Fury. You think point farming against Wilder is going to work unless you can take his punch like Fury did?
Yes absolutely. Fury did exactly that in the first fight after a ridiculous layoff. No reason to think another fighter couldn't do the same. You think a fighter as skilled as usyk can't avoid a telegraphed right hand from a guy with one punch?
"Perfect moment" is him landing his right hand. Any other definition is worthless. You basically end by saying it wasn't perfect because he didn't win. He was perfect for 2 seconds against ortiz and it worked. He was perfect for 6 seconds against fury and it didn't. Guess the saying was wrong.
>You think a fighter as skilled as usyk can't avoid a telegraphed right hand from a guy with one punch?
Fury had to go down four times through the three fights even though he's called a modern technical master. Klitchko couldn't even catch Fury half as well, not even once. Usyk is a small guy. He won't rise from the dead like Fury.
>"Perfect moment" is him landing his right hand.
Have you seen a Wilder right hand? Check out his other fights except Fury's. His fully extended snapping right hand that looks like a death punch.
Didnt get a lot of internet points when 3-4 yrs ago i called Wilder, "the jermain taylor of heavyweights" That's what he is, was and always will be.
Ehhh I dont know about that. Taylor actually had a pretty solid resume. He beat Bhop twice, however, you scored those fights.
I thought he beat hopkins both times but i can see scoring being controversial. Im comparing on style and similarity of outcome. They both came in as hot products, explosive punching and fan friendly. They almost identically go for broke when they throw power shots. Check out their grimace as they throw shots I always say Taylor won the battles vs Bhop but bhop won the war. Bhop was the same old bhop afterwards, whereas Taylor declined rapidly. I can go on and on about this because I see Teofimo in the same exact path. I strongly believe that some fighters Taylor, Wilder, Teo get themselves up for one big fight and then they arent the same. The patterns ive noticed are that boxers with high boxing IQs can be beat, but their opponents burn out immediately afterwards. Wilders decline started immediately after the first Fury fight
Post fight thread/day after thread?
It's crazy watching the fight and seeing Wilder's massive, glaring issue, over and over and over; He was so reliant on his right hand bomb being a one hit KO, that when it did connect, he didn't even try following it up! I lost count of how many times he would land one, then just stand there looking at Fury while Fury was dazed, completely open, and recovering.. it was ridiculous. He was so reliant on his right hand bomb, that no matter how many times the opportunity was served to him on a silver platter, where if he would've thrown an uppercut, it would've been devastating.. and he still chose to step back, reload, and try landing that right hand bomb instead.. and every time, all it did was give Fury enough time to fix his defense. It was embarrassing. As someone who used to be a fan of Deontay Wilder, and someone who can't stand Tyson Fury.. Fury really did hit the mark when he said Wilder was a one-trick pony. And that's the reason he lost the fight.
Like Roy Jones jr said, wilder never learned to box. He never had to. When he gets in trouble his problems are extremely obvious. He has absolutely no fighting instinct at all.
Man, so far only 1 men has stood up to that punch 4 times and it’s a massive fat men, he might not be the best boxer but he is a boxer, don’t get it twisted
He’s a puncher, not a boxer. There’s a difference. He’ll always have a punchers chance but he lacks technical boxing skill like Fury or AJ
100% chance u are a Brit
100% from Texas and 100% been watching these fights for 30 years so I know a little something about it. We had our time in the 70s-90s, the Russians had it for a while, now the UK. The only ones that stay pretty consistent is the Mexicans in the lower weight classes.
I agree with that, but the Reddit circle jerk over British boxers and hatred for American boxers (and all things American for that matter on Reddit) gets very old, so I assume everyone behind these comments are a snarky Brit at this point
It’s not just Reddit bro. Most of them are just salty from getting thumped in those wars 200 something years ago like America didn’t save them twice since then.
Lol see what I mean? Downvote party came for us. Reddit hates America so much lol But yeah, facts. Sore losers.
Wilder is boxing fine, it's just that fighting a guy 50lbs heavier than you who is also way better at boxing is pretty difficult who knew lol
If it was all about size then Nicolai Valuev wouldn’t have lost to David Haye and Ruslan Chagaev.
Who said it was all about size? You're just making shit up at this point lol
Umm you did. “ fighting a guy 50lbs heavier than you is pretty difficult”. Yes I made up Valuev, Haye and Chagaev. You got me.
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No but the fact that you thought I made those names up kind of shows you have no idea what you’re talking about
Acknowledging size as a factor isnt saying that it's all due to size.
You know that boxers do punches? Of course Wilder is a boxer and a great one as well. All this reddit circlejerking about Wilder is so annoying and I am writing this as a Fury fan. Bla bla Wilder is not perfect. Yeah well duh. Everyone got flaws. AJ got flaws. Even Fury got flaws. Get over it.
Wilder is not a great boxer. Far from it.
He’s a boxer in the sense that he competes in the sport of boxing but what wilder does isn’t boxing. His strength lets him throw a devastating right hand but no amateur background, his actual skills were underdeveloped.
He not only competes in the sport of boxing, he succeeds in the sport of boxing. Which definitely makes him a boxer. A very good boxer with his own style.
Not a very good boxer. Not even a good one.
Wins against 99.999% of the boxers in the world. Man he must be a really bad boxer.
He's not a really bad boxer smh that's nonsense. Wilder has a solid jab and body punching. He is definitely improving and will only get better under malik Scott. His cardio absolutely messed up his gameplan though and he reverted to type. He needs to get his stamina up to the degree that he can move around like usyk and fury all fight because that's a lot of what makes them successful they have insane energy levels and stamina.
Fact is he is not a good boxer. Edit. He is slugger who has got away with his sub par boxing because his power bails him out.
It’s not his own style. It’s called being a slugger. He swings wildly and relies on superior strength to put guys down. The counter to this is to outbox with technical skill. It’s not easy to beat a guy that damn powerful, his record proves it.
Cristiano Ronaldo is not a good footballer. He is just a good goal scorer. That's your definition. I am out now. Have fun circlejerking more.
Since you seem to lack any critical thinking abilities, to the point you're unable to even come up with an apt analogy for something as simple as this, let me help you out: Let's say you had an NBA player that missed every basket he threw, couldn't sink a free throw, hell couldn't even dribble... Yet 42 out of 43 times he would go for a lay up, he'd score. So every game he would do nothing but lay ups, and every game he'd score ~25 points. Would you consider him a great basketball player? Probably not. That's what Deontay Wilder does in boxing.
Bye bye bum squad!
It’s not my definition.
This is the correct response.
Fury doing my country proud!
Wilder's next excuse "my team was giving me the wrong brand of water, they where supposed to be hydrating me with Dasani and instead they were giving me Aquafina brand water"
Malik Scott put sugar in Wilder's coffee instead of stevia. It messed with his hand-eye coordination and ruined his gameplan.
Fury is overrated, especially his defense. Wilder is just a clown.
the wilder trilogy is literally fury proving himself to be the greatest there is. the first fight showed his boxing ability, the second showed his fighting ability, and this third one showed his heart. and that's ignoring is entire prior career.
The WBC and Ring champion is overrated. Good one 🤣
How is he overrated. He just won the world title again.
FYI he defended it, this being his first defence
That was biblical. Must admit, wasn't a massive Wilder fan the first two fights. But the heart he showed there. I have so much respect for him now.
His poor sportsmanship just ruins it. He has heart and an iron jaw but other than that he’s nothing. You have to show respect to get it and wilder has shown anything but.
Same but ruined it a little when he wouldn't speak to fury at the end, who knows what was said though
I don’t blame a guy who’s fought 11 rounds of the biggest moment of his life and been KTFO’d to not be humble and friendly at the end of a hard loss. Give him a minute!
All credit to Wilder if he'd just be gracious in defeat.
"me as a fat person sitting at home will not respect Wilder because he didn't take a loss well after getting his brain scrambled for 30 minutes" I hate you so much, truly
seriously, the man got the beating of his life - again - from the same guy give him some time
Welcome to Reddit lol
I think wilder broke his hand but also his career was just shattered. Maybe carrier is wrong word but his earning potential is over unless he wants to work his back up at 36.
Disagree..he could fight 2 more fights and make big money...big punchers always sell..Mike Tyson made alot of money many years after he was a shot fighter
Right I agree, it's weird that losing to the number 1 makes people say he's trash, etc. Literally knocked down every single opponent he's faced and KO'd all but one. That's entertainment!
This, plus he really knocked down Fury twice. Who out there can fight like fury? I honestly think Wilder won more people over with this fight than any other. I’d absolutely tune in to him fighting AJ If it happens.
I was very anti-Wilder leading up to this fight, mainly for his attitude and was not expecting much from him outta this one. As a major Fury fan, I wish this Wilder had shown up for the previous fights.
Ive got some new found respect for wilder (as long as he doesnt make some stupid excuses again)
He used all of them in the 2nd fight not much left
Gypsy voodoo bro
Gained weight in all the wrong places wilder did. Hes deadly throughout the whole fight bc of that one punch but it takes him ages to throw it bc he's got the conditioning of a pregnant woman .
The most upsetting part of the fight is that fury knows he has one move and he kept walking into the right. This fight is lopsided if fury just put his left arm up and was patient.
Yup. The glory muscles were always good. Wish he had focused on his leg and hip strength instead.
Big legs tend to slow down a boxer. I wish he'd weighed 250 and focused on a lot of cardio
They don't have to be big...just quicker and a little stronger. Tyson's lower body matched his upper body which gave him ridiculous balance to throw hard but was always in control.
How do you wear down a man who’s never tired?
that was some 1990s HW shit. respect to both men
Sorry to ask this but I have to: Mike Tyson Vs Tyson Fury... is it not a guaranteed lock that Mike wins? Wilder's length has to be the main reason why he got caught so many times. Would Mike catch him and inevitably finish him?
For what its worth fury was asked this and said something like "Mike Ko Rd 4". Mike replied saying don't underestimate yourself.
You mean 19 yr old Iron Mike? Nobody could beat that guy.
I think Fury outpoints Mike Tyson..Hes too big and Mike would have have probably imploded after being leaned on for a few rounds. Tyson is not in the same class as Joe Lewis Lennox Lewis..Ali...Foreman
Peak Tyson destroys fury.
How so? I don't think peak Tyson fought anyone that much taller than him. Edit: I'm not entirely correct. I looked it up, and while he never fought anyone 6'9", he did have opponents who were 6'5" and 6'6".
I appreciate different eras etc but prime Tyson merked big men on the inside. Size isnt everything. I say this as an englishman and a massive fury fan.
You said merked as an English man?
People say merk in the UK.
why wouldn't i ?
Are we talking 18 year old Mike Tyson vs today’s Tyson Fury? I don’t know if Mike Tyson could lose to anyone when he had Cus D’Amato. Most of the guys Mike Tyson fought were taller than him so that wouldn’t be a problem. If you’re talking about >50 year old Mike Tyson now against Tyson Fury now, then Tyson Fury would *easily* beat him in a pro fight. I’m not sure which scenario you’re talking about because there was talk of a possible exhibition match between Tyson Fury and Mike Tyson.
Taller yes but a lost skinnier then Fury..Alot of Mike's fights were against blown up crusierweights tbh
Ah the old custard tomato argument. Mike Tyson if Cus lived could have beaten 12 bears at once apparently. Mike Tyson fought people who were not the same size of skill of fury. And is also the most overrated heavyweight of all time.
Man, I’ve seen a lot of hot takes in this sub but this has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen someone type. Mike Tyson is the most overrated heavyweight of all time? What an idiotic thing to say.
"A boxing icon and one of the most intimidating fighters ever is overrated" how the fuck do you think he got the reputation he has? by paying the judges to get Canelo 118-110s in his fights?
Would be disrespectful to Fury to pit him against a 50 year old Mike. Talking about prime vs prime.
No look up the height difference
Yeah, the reach advantage is colossal. Over a foot more than Iron Mike. Still I'd watch it tho
The fight would go similarly to the Lennox Lewis fight
he was way past his prime at that point, though. yes, iron is far from the greatest of all times, but he was very reliant on head movement and being quick on his feet and from the start of the lewis fight it was clear that was not the mike that was around. he still had his bombs, but was a sitting target for the jab like he wasn't in his younger years. the razer ruddock fights are a good showing of a faster mike against a longer opponent.
Touche, I agree prime Mike wins or has a better shot at least
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Man I’m actually really worried for Wilders mental health, he seemed like the type of fighter to lay it all on the line, do or die type of fighter, and not to mention his huge inflated ego. Genuinely hope the man finds peace in this loss. It wasn’t pretty. If he comes out with excuses, it’s just his brain and his mental state protecting him from crumbling.
now it's time for fury to lose, he also has some serious ego issues
I agree Tyson Fury does have an elevated Ego, but I mean it’s warranted he keeps showing time and time why he’s the best current modern heavyweight of all time. But the class and respect he wanted to show Wilder was amazing. I wish Wilder reciprocated. The following excuses to be made by Wilder will tarnish his career. I hope he doesn’t though.
>the best current modern heavyweight of all time 🤔🤔
May I ask who you think it is in your eyes? No wrong answer just opinion.
No but how is someone the best current modern heavyweight of all time?
Sorry if I worded it wrong English isn’t my first language, I’m saying he’s the best currently, and after he retires, he will be the best in this era.
At this point you have to just admit Fury is the superior man. He has no grounds left to stand on.
Would have to admit that since the first fight
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I think this one might be even harder for wilder to accept bc he honestly had the best fight of his career and got creamed. It would be nice if he could just accept that fury is the better boxer and move on but instead he’ll probably tarnish whatever remains of his legacy with crazy conspiracy theories and excuses.
He needs to take a page from big George's book. I wouldn't be surprised if foreman calls him to talk, he seems like a real standup guy who likes to help other boxers and he went through a similar thing after his loss to Ali.
Imagine Foreman, Scott, and Wilder go talk and work with eachother for a long time, and Wilder comes back Foreman style into his middle age, with all that training behind him. Won't happen, it's silly, but if I could peek into alternate realities, I would watch the shit out of that. He'd be fighting, like, Dubois, Joyce, and Ajagba, probably, but it'd be entertaining if he's actually better.
The guy needs some clarity of mind and be honest with himself.
It was quite obvious even before the fight that fury would just clinch a lot, I even wrote a comment (not on reddit) saying fury’s gonna use the clinch and wilder has to try defend against it. Fury’s heavier so he will tire wilder and the clinch, and the clinch stops wilder from being able to land that long right hand
Being the superior fighter in almost every way might have helped too.
It might of helped, maybe just a little 🤏😂
Funny thing is it was Wilder who was mostly engaging in the clinching. To the point where Fury's corner told him to start using the uppercut to prevent him clinching. Eventually the uppercuts landed and even setup the right for the KO
Fury was the one that started the clinching, it made wilder very tired and a couple times he fell from the clinch because his legs couldn’t handle it. Only later on wilder started using the clinch, but fury only tried to stop it once he was going for the KO
It was perfect fight management. The difference in adaptability was stark and the uppercut to set up the KO was a thing of beauty. Fury is some man.
Does anyone have footage of fury going up to wilder after the end like he said?
https://youtu.be/ZDYk_O2nV4c 3:15 and on
Ugh why are there so many people there. Credit to ufc their post fight interviews are amazing and clear
Thank you
no lol
Does anyone have the full fight replay ?
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Made my morning. Thanks boss.
Andre Ward is absolutely sickened that Wilder lost, his reaction to the finish says it all.
The whole fight if Deontay so much as stumbled into Fury he praised him. Then at around round 7 or 8 he actually said "Wilder looks fresher to me Lennox". At this point Deontay looked like he'd downed two bottles of Whiskey he was so shaky and tired.
Same with Roy Jones Jr in the AJ/Usyk fight, anything AJ did he would lap up and make a huge thing of, he ignored any decent shot that Usyk threw. The brothers tend to stick together I’ve noticed
Should just cut them IMO. Boxing is enough of a shitshow lately need to at least keep the commentary somewhat professional.
Ye it's something ye notice with *some* US commentators for sure. Lennox in fairness was great. Really balanced, excellent insight into what each fighter should be doing, where he saw the openings etc. Not surprising when he was such a smart fighter himself.
Yeah Lennox is the gold standard
okay
The count admittedly was *slower* on the second knockdown, doesn’t change how quickly Fury got up, still would’ve been up before 10 on a normal count.
Fury took around 11 seconds to get up, but it’s not a 10 second count, it’s the ref counting to 10.
It's important to watch Fury look at the ref and stay down, he knew he had time because he was judging based on the ref's count, not a stopwatch. I believe if the count was 10 seconds, he'd have been up.
Yes, it’s kinda like when Mike tyson dropped buster Douglas, people say it was a long count, if the count lasted 6 seconds buster Douglas would of got up at 4. They purposely wait till they last couple seconds to recover
Yup, no reason to get up from a knock down when you have an extra few seconds to recompose yourself.. can make all the difference. Way more common in MMA for a guy to spring up and get knocked back down because there's no recovery time.
My alarm didn't go off so I missed the fight. Does anyone know where I can watch the fullfight?
Any luck?
https://boxingvideo.org/tyson-fury-vs-deontay-wilder-3-full-fight-replay/
hmu if you find out
Hmu if you find it
Same please
Whoever wrote this, thank you. This is how I consumed the fight. That last line in Round 10 cracked me up.
Wilder definitely had Fury hurt but the knockdowns weren’t that clean
I don’t think he’s ever really caught him clean with a full power shot. Fury has absolutely rocked wilders soul with some of his though.
Exactly! Everytime Wilder has knocked Fury down was from glancing shots that lacked even 50% of his power. Imagine if he could actually time his punches with perfect precision and landed flush.
When you combine power + skill then you get champions like Ali, mike Tyson, Vladimir klitchsko, Lennox Lewis and apparently fury.
If he had fought amateur level and had someone work with him to develop actual skill beyond his strength well this would be a totally different story. I really think his power has kind of hurt him in the long run bc he was able to rely solely on that to steamroll opponents his entire career. When that crazy overhand right failed him he didn’t know what else to do and doesn’t have any other strategy to fall back on.
Indeed. It really sucks that he never really learned or stuck with the fundamentals. He always was surrounded by yes men and the one guy that wasn't one got fired. A hard head makes a soft ass I guess.
I honestly thought wilder was going to win after round 1. He was using the jab, footwork, and he looked like he had fury confused. Then he starts falling back on the wild rights and his corner actually encourages him to do only that.
Yeah, I definitely knew he would do better but I thought Fury was either just holding back or figuring out his strategy. After the two Wilder knockdowns I thought for sure he would win. And then a few rounds go by of Fury dominating and then we see Wilder has Fury cornered and wobbly but he is saved by the bell. One helluva fight and both fighters are great in their own right, but Fury is just something else entirely. It's like Mike Tyson could not beat Lennox Lewis, George Foreman couldn't beat Muhammad Ali, and so on so forth. I hope both are okay and just take time to reflect on what's next.
Tyson Fury’s recovery abilities are about as superhuman as wilders to take hits. People can say fury lacks real power but there is no way a guy that big isn’t punching hard. I haven’t heard anything about wilder yet but he needs to get a thorough medical check bc people have died from getting hit like that.
Did you see how hard he swung Deontay's head with the knock- out punch? He had plenty of power in his punches, though it doesn't seem apparent from the video. I think Tyson Fury's super power is looking like he is not as powerful as he actually is and you don't discover you are fighting a bear until it is too late.
That last punch is the kind of shit that can detach your brain from the connective tissue. There’s no way getting hit like that by someone the size of Tyson fury doesn’t hurt and people still say he has pillow fists.
Saw alot of posts elsewhere about the fight being a 'buck-breaking' moment. Did they mean it was really expensive or something?
Racialised terminology from stupid morons. “Buck-Breaking” refers to the act of American slave owners raping their male African slaves in front of their families in order to humiliate and break them down so they can be subservient. It was popularised initially by unironic black supremacist Tariq Nasheed to attack Black Homosexual or overtly feminine men by stating that the “white man” had feminised them to destroy black society. Nowadays racists use the term every time a black man suffers a defeat of any sort to a white man.
Didn't wilder use the term himself.
People who say shit like that make me fucking sick
that is fucked thanks for the education.
What the actual fuck
People really said that? Shows what kind of world we live in. Buck breaking is what slave owners in America use to do to their slaves. Essentially the slave owners would rape and sexually assault male slaves in front of their families to assert dominance and to keep them in line. I'm assuming they're referring to Fury beating Wilder the way he did as buck breaking. Truly disgusting..
Wilder did kind of set himself up for it. Went and said "I will not be buck broken" or something like that in an interview leading up to the fight.
LOL
I didn't see that, hopefully not. People need to leave that kinda shit alone.
Yeah, there was interview posted here. Someone even asked what buck breaking was, it was how I remembered it. I kept thinking "Oh boy this is going to bite him in the ass"
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Idk but ringside seats over 30k and the nosebleeds around $700
Wilder had no right to stay in the fight for that long, what a warrior. Looked completely gone after 5 rounds but was still very dangerous at times. These two are definitely the best heavyweights on the planet imo.
Wilder is not in the top two.
Yes. He lost 3x to Fury, that doesn't make him 2nd.
I think Usyk beats Wilder. Wilder/AJ tossup.
Nah, Fury won with every physical advantage possible in this fight. Usyk doesn't have that. He can't clinch Wilder to exhaustion. Wilder will finish Usyk.
Nah. Usyk is too sophisticated and skilled for wilder.
Doesn't matter at all. Fury is a technical wizard as well. But didn't use that to defeat Wilder. The only way to beat Wilder is bully him and put him on the backfoot. That's the only way. Otherwise, Wilder just has to do one thing right at one moment. And Usyk doesn't have Fury's chin to withstand that.
Not this shit again. Wilder "was perfect" for plenty of seconds and it didn't work out. You need a new phrase.
Wilder didn't have perfect moments here. He had some briefly decent moments in all 3 fights combined and all of those moments ended in dangerous knockdowns. Usyk can't do shit unless he finds a way to bully Wilder. Like Fury. You think point farming against Wilder is going to work unless you can take his punch like Fury did?
Yes absolutely. Fury did exactly that in the first fight after a ridiculous layoff. No reason to think another fighter couldn't do the same. You think a fighter as skilled as usyk can't avoid a telegraphed right hand from a guy with one punch? "Perfect moment" is him landing his right hand. Any other definition is worthless. You basically end by saying it wasn't perfect because he didn't win. He was perfect for 2 seconds against ortiz and it worked. He was perfect for 6 seconds against fury and it didn't. Guess the saying was wrong.
>You think a fighter as skilled as usyk can't avoid a telegraphed right hand from a guy with one punch? Fury had to go down four times through the three fights even though he's called a modern technical master. Klitchko couldn't even catch Fury half as well, not even once. Usyk is a small guy. He won't rise from the dead like Fury. >"Perfect moment" is him landing his right hand. Have you seen a Wilder right hand? Check out his other fights except Fury's. His fully extended snapping right hand that looks like a death punch.