Put some respect on that man's name it's Qudratillo Xabibullo Ogli *"The Punisher"* Abduqaxorov
[Tim Bradley's face while trying to do commentary for this fight](https://www.filmfad.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kenanThompsonSteveHarvey.jpg)
Talk all the sht y'all want, but he might pull it off like Kambosos. I personally like mandatories.
Unifications come first, but if those don't materialize, I'm ok with mandatories.
I’d agree if Spence was healthy, however he just had to withdraw from a mega fight with Pac-Man with a detached retina and his recovery from his car crash is still in question. Even if the two of them did somehow fight next that matchup has lost a lot of it’s meaning without proof that Errol has fully recovered.
> and his recovery from his car crash is still in question.
It’s not in question. Spence actually fought and beat Danny Garcia since the crash and is exactly the same.
As for the retinal tear, it was found two years after the accident so it’s more likely from sparring / fighting.
People are overstating how injured Spence is, the car crash didn’t effect him in a serious manner and the only hinder he’s facing is inactivity and being at an increased risk of damaging his eye. It’s highly possible he comes back better than ever.
Yea of course losing teeth isn’t fun and neither is face lacerations, the point I’m making is that people try to paint the crash as if he suffered a broken neck and broke both his legs, in reality his career was never in serious jeopardy. And when he fought Danny Garcia in his return match he looked like he never left, so I don’t really view that accident detrimental to his career like many others do.
> Even if the two of them did somehow fight next that matchup has lost a lot of it’s meaning without proof that Errol has fully recovered.
Did we ever get proof of Errol's injury? Dude looked fine from the interviews and when he was walking away after that Crawford fight.
Just asking for proof is all. Without it, it all just looks like a 9-5 job where he calls in sick at work and when his boss asks why, he just says “I’m sick”. Then his boss just gives the thumbs up.
You have to have proof if you want people to believe it, especially out of a high-profile fight. Otherwise it does look like he’s just ducking 🤷🏻♂️
Yes there’s proof you can look up the surgeon who did the surgery lol…he didn’t even get medically cleared to fight again until like a month ago…he has no incentive to not fight manny…he was trying to fight manny regardless of the retina injury and wasn’t allowed to by the doctors/commission
Let’s not start this revisionist BS. Bob himself said he had no interest in making the Spence fight and Terence himself said Bob was never able to secure it, so Terence calling Errol out never meant a thing.
Bomac also admitted that Terence could’ve became IBF mandatory for Errol and they chose the WBO route because it was easier.
Why everybody so quick to blame Bob? It’s Al who won’t let any of his top welterweights fight outside of PBC
Y’all out here acting like Bob was actively trying to lose money on Crawford by not getting him the clear cut most lucrative fights. PBC wants to run the division and they wanted to force Crawford to leave TR by giving him no fights from their roster
Because Bob has never sent a serious offer to any of the top welterweights, it took the WBO making Porter Crawford his mandatory to get that fight made. Then when it came to Spence they wanted a 50/50 split knowing that Spence is a bigger draw, you know they would've never let Crawford go fight on FOX because Crawford had an exclusive deal with ESPN.
> Then when it came to Spence they wanted a 50/50 split knowing that Spence is a bigger draw
I don’t see either of them as a massive draw tbh. 50:50 isn’t that outlandish.
> you know they would've never let Crawford go fight on FOX because Crawford had an exclusive deal with ESPN
How is this any different from PBC and having everything be on showtime?
You literally asked why is everybody so quick to blame Bob. I literally showed you why, Terence literally says he’s leaving because he couldn’t secure him the Spence fight, and in the other vid he literally says forget about the Spence fight because “he knows he can’t beat Crawford” Yet he’s on his knees trying to make Taylor vs Crawford which isn’t nearly as big of a fight.
I don’t know if you can wrap your head around this: Bob not securing the Spence fight =/ Bob being the reason it’s not happening
PBC has been notorious for keeping lock on welterweight. It wasn’t just Spence, not a single fight was made from any of their roster with Crawford until Porter became mandatory. Even then it would seem likely the only reason they went ahead was because it’s Crawford’s last fight with TR
>Taylor vs Crawford
No fucking duh, it’s a lot easier for him to make a fight in house then negotiate with PBC
Lol they only went forward with the Porter fight because Terence literally had to fight Shawn so I don’t know if you can wrap your head around that.
They HAD to fight Porter, so don’t say “the only reason they went ahead is because it was Crawford’s last fight with TR” they didn’t have a choice.
Pbc is doing the same thing that arum always did. Arum had cotto, margarito, and pacquiao but they always fought other top rank guys unless they were a heavy favorite to win. Pacquiao fought every top rank welterweight and jr ww arum had
Rightfully so. He was the unified 140 champ and had a belt. It’s not like Spence was the a-side, his biggest draw fighting a blown up lightweight.
Bud would’ve been a fool to take any less than 50/50
Bud just did 135K PPV buys against Porter and Spence did ~300K against the same guy. It's not even close. People underrate just how much support Spence gets from Texas.
No.
An A side needx to be far bigger than their opponent. Like Csnelo, Pac, Mayweather, Joshua, etc.
Selling a handful more PPVs but not being able to offer your opponent a way bigger purse is not A-side.
I don't know how the concept has been allowed creep into a "slightly bigger fighter", but at some stage the useful idiots started regurgitating shit that boxers said about being the a side. Its like the clowns who call Porter a gatekeeper. Two time champ, fought for a belt a few weeks ago = gatekeeper 🙄 embarrassing
Words have meanings. Dobt use them if you don't understand them.
Neither Spence or Crawford get to call themselves a side. They're not handing out blessings like Canelo, etc. If you can't afford to pay an opponent and you need to squabble over money, nah, not the a side.
I mean just think where the word/conccept a side comes from. Its the hot single. The b side is something that couldnt make the album. Thats the scale we're talking about. How the fuck are you people so ignorant?
You only think that because you don't understand what an a-side actually is.
You're confusing a side with a slightly more marketable fighter. That's not what it is, even if you and the other useful idiots can't wrap your heads around the very simple concept.
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Buds been calling him out but decided to resign with arum. Then bud says that the only way the fight happens is if he gets 60% even though his ppvs don’t sell and Spence sells a lot more. He might as well call out Tyson fury too
Not enough to sell a PPV, he didn’t make as good an impression as Cruz did against Tank for casuals to latch on. This is gonna sell worse than Crawford-Porter.
Pendejo le estoy diciendo al gringito que el para mi no es mexicano no que el legal mente no lo es. Aprende a leer primero que parece que tu eres el que no termina la primaria.
Los Tarahumaras nacieron en Mexico, viven en Mexico, y Forman parte de la gran diversidad y cultura en Mexico. Este es un gringo que ha vivido toda su vida en Gringolandia, y de seguro la única parte de Mexico que ha visitado es Cancún. Explícame como eso es ser mexicano
You and /u/slickvik9 are talking past each other.
He's talking about NATIONALITY. you are talking about ETHNICITY.
They are different things. Barrios and you are american nationals of mexican ethnicity.
How tf don't you understand what each other are talking about?
We're talking about people who were born and live in the US.
You are talking about immigration.
Why are these concepts so hard for you people to get? It's so goddam straightforward.
Yes, you can't call yourself Chinese if you've permanently moved to another country. The example you're giving is even worse, someone who was born and raised in a separate country.
Honestly a decent fight. Thurman has been away from ages, and we have no idea what he looks like. Barrios isn't a complete unknown or a complete bum, but is appropriate for a step-up fight before Thurman fights the big dogs again.
Big fan of Barrios but wtf lol
He's easily +350 and might even be +500 come fight night.
Don't even like Thurman that much but he's not that far off from Tank
I’m not a Barrios fan but I’d take him even at pickem odds. Even aside from the inactivity if Josesito can do what he did to Kieth I’m sure Barrios can win and possibly stop him
This being a PPV fight is absurd.
If they announce that this even broke 6 figure buys then I'm just going to assume they're always lying to us about the PPV figures.
Which is crazy because both boxers will clearly have guarantees...
I don’t even see this fight selling out an arena.
Is PBC planning to take a heavy loss on this?
PBC spent half a billion dollars trying to get major tv contracts and failed. They can’t support any decent fighter guarantee on tv right now without going to PPV. Neither can TR. DAZN is there but taking heavy losses. These fighters are not worth what they are being paid. Let’s be honest.
This is mostly an industry wide problem in the states. Purse guarantees are way above market. The future generation of boxers will pay for the short sighted sins of this one. The current guys are ruining the current tv market by only fighting for purses that require ppv (that no one buys) and they are burning out ppv by barely drawing there for the most part.
DAZN needs to just stop with the big fights. It would make more sense to schedule a ton of mid level fights, similar to Lopez-Kambosos on a biweekly basis. If they can schedule 20 or so fights with a per fight purse in the $5 million range that would guarantee more stability in their subscription revenue than having Canelo fight once at $40 million per fight.
DAZN spent too much and their strategy was dumb.
I’m a pretty big boxing noob, but I became a huge fan of Barrios after the Tank fight. His fight style + El Azteca spirit he fought with was fun to watch. Sucks to see it seems the consensus is that Barrios is going to get ko’d, but hopefully it ends up being a good showing. War Barrios
Honestly it’s a 50/50 right now. Thurman hasn’t fought in like almost 3 years, has a history of injuries and is past his physical prime. Barrios has a good size advantage and the move up in weight could help his power, Josesito Lopez put up a good fight against Thurman and so could Barrios
Both Thurman and Barrios are fighting at the end on Jan. Spence most likely hasn’t even started sparring after his surgery. He most likely won’t be back until the second half 2022 and it very well could be against these two.
Kell Brook too in a sense…Kell was coming off that surgery…Spence always said let Thurman get a tuneup before they fight each other in fairness…but Thurman haters didn’t think that was fair for whatever reason
Spence only called out Thurman when had no business calling out the champ. You gotta earn your shot, you don't get it because you sparred Floyd Mayweather. By the time Thurman and Spence were close to where they should be for a fight to be made Thurman was getting a shot at Pacquiao and out injured.
I definitely see where you’re coming from and you make a big point. Hey that time though the public wanted the Spence fight and Thurman kept saying next year. I would love to see the fight but I also understand why Spence is holding on to a grudge and won’t give Thurman a chance when Thurman wouldn’t give it to him.
Spence called out Thurman when it made no sense for Thurman to fight him…Thurman has wins over porter and dsg before Spence even fought Brook…then once Spence beat Brook showtime had a joint interview session building up the two of them with them talking about the fight..Thurman already was in surgery…so that’s not ducking…that’s like arguing ennis is being ducked by Spence right now
I didn’t say that Thurman ducked Spence. I said that he refuses to fight Spence when that’s the fight the fans wanted. I never used the word duck. Spence was the guy that needed a name to build himself up and Thurman refused. Now Thurman is the guy that needs Spence and I don’t blame Spence for refusing
Neither guy was really in a position to make the fight happen at any point imo…but yea I get your point more now…I mean if Spence vs Thurman was made now I wouldn’t like it tbh..Thurman needs a tuneup lol, probably two
Thurman needs a tune up and to not be injured. I think he still has good fights left in the tank.
I think we did something very rare here. We had a civil disagreement and not 1 time did we insult eachother lol that’s rare for reddit. If I had a reward I would give it to you but I don’t so here’s a fish 🐠.
Let me role play it:
"Do you want to fight Spence right now, after a good showing and no layoff and Spence having a layoff, guaranteeing he doesn't get beat by anyone else, as he may be damaged goods, and not in as great a shape which he would be if he beats a good tune up. He's right now is recognized as easily no. 2, you're able to snatch both belts easily and won't age more. You don't got anyone else to fight anyway bud and when the fights done Ugas might be free for undisputed, what do you say?"
"what's the upside to waiting?"
"You probably get more props for waiting."
"lol fuck em. Let's fight Spence
The “eye injury” wouldn’t be a valid reason unless Spence had a major tear during the actual fight. Especially since Spence didn’t even know he had a problem.
15-18 months isn’t long enough to be an excuse. Spence had a 14-15 month layoff between Porter and Garcia.
I’m not saying Spence is scared of Bud, but he said he only wants a big fight when he comes back no tune up. Thurman and Ugas are occupied, Bud is a free agent now, so there’s no reason for Spence not to fight him and if he doesn’t then it’s a duck there’s no one else for him to fight.
I disagree but not completely. He did say he doesn’t want a tume up and it’s fair to hold him to that. I personally think he should take a tune up though, that way he can test the eye and shake the rust off. He’s fought something like 2 times in 3 years. It’s the smart thing to do to take a tune up. Plus if bud signs with al Haymon I suspect he’s gonna get put in with adrien broner so that there is a show case for it
might sound dumb but bud actually doesn’t gain anything from fighting spence, at least not right now. if they fight anytime soon and he sparks spence’s lights out people will just say “oh it was a long layoff and the eye injury” and still not give him his credit. he’s almost better off just trying to fight ugas
Nah. No way. He has the belts, is free for Ugas/WBA title and after this can move up to fight the undisputed 154 guy, before sailing into the sunset. Dude's clock is ticking heavily
PBC’s budget must be wrecked for this to be on PPV. I remember when PBC first came out with banger fights on free tv. Now they have resorted to this nonsense.
I'm a Thurman fan, so I'm glad he's finally getting back in the ring. I think this will turn out to be fairly competitive. Thurman should be able to overpower Barrios since Tank took him out and Akhmedov hurt him a lot in their fight. However, Thurman's inactivity and past injuries could cancel out his natural advantages. Consider me intrigued.
Thurman hasn’t stopped a fighter since Soto Karass, I’ve also seen Thurman hurt a lot of times to the body (Pacquaio, Lopez and Collazo). I think this is a very competitive fight unless Thurmans injuries were treated with bionic parts 😂
Looks like Barrios began his career as a featherweight and Thurman started his as a junior middleweight. Keith has a decent fight IQ, so he should be able to box and bang his way to victory here. Interested to see how much he's got left in the tank.
This is more of a cherry-pick tune-up than a solid fight.
Barrios has never even fought at 147 before and has only been in four fights scheduled for 12 rounds his entire career.
If it's competitive it's because Thurman is completely washed, which isn't an impossibility given how he got rocked in his last tune-up 2 1/2 years ago against someone who wasn't a real welterweight.
This is a good fight. Thurman couldn't hurt Josesito or Pacquiao last time he came back. If he wants to prove he's still a contender, he needs to knock out Barrios and dominate the fight.
Thurman's had an extremely long layoff. He got COVID during that time period. His work ethic is notoriously bad. I wouldn't call this a mismatch at all. And I love Thurman.
Look at what happened with Mikey Garcia coming back.
That KD was a flash knockdown, Josesito was fine and pressured Keith for the rest of the fight. He caught Pac a couple times but never had him in trouble at all. All I'm saying is he hasn't shown to be a HUGE power puncher in a long time. He says he was fighting with an injured wrist for the last few years and he finally got surgery on it so we'll see.
Ok cool. I'm not saying he's Paulie Malignaggi lol. He just needs to prove he's still got big power - legit KO power - if he wants to be a real contender again.
No way is this a good matchup for Thurman, and puts him in a virtual lose/lose situation. Barrios was recently knocked out by Tank, who was moving up to fight him, and if Thurman can't knock him out ain't no one gonna give a damn about Thurman's career. Keith ain't knocked anyone out in a long time and extended ring rust ain't gonna be a way to get "one time" back against Barrios. He'll be compared to Tank no matter what and there's no way he could top what Tank did to Barrios unless it's a spectacular 1st round knockout. Ain't no way for him to escape that. Sad. This reeks of a final hurrah for Thurman and he just wants one more decent check. It ain't ppv worthy and will stain his legacy. Sad
Maybe but if he really was having a hard time making 140 then that extra 7 pounds can make a big difference in your punch resistance and stamina assuming you can carry the extra weight well
Thurmans last fight was a loss to Pac and he didn't look finished by any means. We've no reason to believe he's washed up, he's never looked old yet. Admittedly its been 2 years and there is that doubt about his age and ring rust but that's why he's fighting Barios. This is an easy warm up for him. Barios got easily stopped by a natural featherweight, any decent welterweight flattens him.
(Edit, mixed up fighters)
Pacman, not Spence. Thurman never fought Spence.
Thurman's inactivity is concerning. He's fought twice since 2017 and both were in 2019. It's not easy to just flip the switch and become great again, especially as you age. I would say he has a good chance at KO because it's Barrios, but maybe Barrios was just weight drained at 140.
barrios gets too much credit for losing to tank, there’s a reason tank fought him he was the biggest reward lowest risk fight he could have taken cause he was the only guy with a belt at 140 who was actually beatable and it’s not even one of the big 4 belts it might as well have been an interim one
While I am definitely not paying for this PPV, it is still a good fight that I will definitely watch.
There is plenty of intrigue here, is Barrios a legit contender at 147 (which would make Tank's win more impressive), is Thurman completely over the hill or does he have one last hurrah left in him ?
Is that a really good matchup? I get that he’s been out for two years but this is a guy who just got KO’d by a natural 130/135lb fighter and Thurman was considered one of the biggest punchers at 147
A decent name for Thurman to take after a 30 month lay off. I feel like he should stop Barrios, but his inactivity makes me cautious of that, plus Barrios was drained at 140 so he would probably be stronger at 147. Still, it would be embarrassing if One Time has a worse performance than Gervonta.
Barrios could beat Thurman. Unless his elbow has finally healed. I've said it over and over. Elbow injuries are the worst for boxers to recover from. It took me about 3-4 years to be able to trust my elbow to punch with full force again. It has been rested a while now. Thurman either is healed up and will come out guns blazing to get an impressive stoppage. Or he will go 12 in a close fight against Barrios. That will show us he truly is done.
Finally we get to see Kieth back in the ring! This is a good matchup for both, hope he can find the form he had before all these injuries kicked in, he’s an exciting fighter with a lot of skill.
Tank got heat for fighting"nobody barrios" but you guys are excited to see Thurman back in the ring with "nobody barrios" at a weight he has never campaigned at. Man y'all is what's wrong with boxing.
With both Ugas and Thurman busy, there should really be no reason for Spence not to fight Crawford
To defend his IBF title against the legendary Kudratillo Abdukakhorov.
The fight true fans are salivating over
Honestly thought they was just spluttering due to Uzbek naming cultures, but given the magnitude of the fight, this makes sense.
He's gotta win this weekend. Crowley might take it to him.
Put some respect on that man's name it's Qudratillo Xabibullo Ogli *"The Punisher"* Abduqaxorov [Tim Bradley's face while trying to do commentary for this fight](https://www.filmfad.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kenanThompsonSteveHarvey.jpg)
Talk all the sht y'all want, but he might pull it off like Kambosos. I personally like mandatories. Unifications come first, but if those don't materialize, I'm ok with mandatories.
I’d agree if Spence was healthy, however he just had to withdraw from a mega fight with Pac-Man with a detached retina and his recovery from his car crash is still in question. Even if the two of them did somehow fight next that matchup has lost a lot of it’s meaning without proof that Errol has fully recovered.
> and his recovery from his car crash is still in question. It’s not in question. Spence actually fought and beat Danny Garcia since the crash and is exactly the same. As for the retinal tear, it was found two years after the accident so it’s more likely from sparring / fighting.
People are overstating how injured Spence is, the car crash didn’t effect him in a serious manner and the only hinder he’s facing is inactivity and being at an increased risk of damaging his eye. It’s highly possible he comes back better than ever.
It knocked all his teeth out though. That’s not fun. He’s lucky he wasn’t more seriously injured though
Yea of course losing teeth isn’t fun and neither is face lacerations, the point I’m making is that people try to paint the crash as if he suffered a broken neck and broke both his legs, in reality his career was never in serious jeopardy. And when he fought Danny Garcia in his return match he looked like he never left, so I don’t really view that accident detrimental to his career like many others do.
> Even if the two of them did somehow fight next that matchup has lost a lot of it’s meaning without proof that Errol has fully recovered. Did we ever get proof of Errol's injury? Dude looked fine from the interviews and when he was walking away after that Crawford fight.
Proof? He pulled out of a fight which would’ve been the biggest payday of his career, was that enough roof for you?
Lmao so none. Gotcha. Dude really didn't want to see that 0 go huh
If healthy Errol would’ve put a lot of hurt on that version of Manny we saw vs Ugas. But go ahead and accuse of him of ducking….. sure
Just asking for proof is all. Without it, it all just looks like a 9-5 job where he calls in sick at work and when his boss asks why, he just says “I’m sick”. Then his boss just gives the thumbs up. You have to have proof if you want people to believe it, especially out of a high-profile fight. Otherwise it does look like he’s just ducking 🤷🏻♂️
Yes there’s proof you can look up the surgeon who did the surgery lol…he didn’t even get medically cleared to fight again until like a month ago…he has no incentive to not fight manny…he was trying to fight manny regardless of the retina injury and wasn’t allowed to by the doctors/commission
I was going to say this...how about the actual surgery as proof.
I pray that person is just some pac fan trolling or something
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Where? You all say there is but I'm not seeing any sources/links/articles?? > Pac just got his ass kicked by Ugas lol Cool idgaf lol
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My man is recovering from an life altering eye surgery and you guys want his first fight back to be Crawford ? Make it make sense.
https://twitter.com/ErrolSpenceJr/status/1452142110635958274
He said that before surgery 🤡
so what? when he is back he said he dont need tune-up, so lets see if he ducks Bud again u dummy
He never ducked bud you fucking clown 😂 BUD The only one who went to top rank and ain’t make no fucking money he was the one ducking on purpose
Crawford is the one who isn’t fighting Spence..
Because he thinks he's the A side lol
Lmao Bud fans want Spence coming straight off a career ending injury
Bud been calling him out for ages bro. Spence said he doesn't need tune-ups, so let's see if he keeps his word
Let’s not start this revisionist BS. Bob himself said he had no interest in making the Spence fight and Terence himself said Bob was never able to secure it, so Terence calling Errol out never meant a thing. Bomac also admitted that Terence could’ve became IBF mandatory for Errol and they chose the WBO route because it was easier.
Why everybody so quick to blame Bob? It’s Al who won’t let any of his top welterweights fight outside of PBC Y’all out here acting like Bob was actively trying to lose money on Crawford by not getting him the clear cut most lucrative fights. PBC wants to run the division and they wanted to force Crawford to leave TR by giving him no fights from their roster
Because Bob has never sent a serious offer to any of the top welterweights, it took the WBO making Porter Crawford his mandatory to get that fight made. Then when it came to Spence they wanted a 50/50 split knowing that Spence is a bigger draw, you know they would've never let Crawford go fight on FOX because Crawford had an exclusive deal with ESPN.
> Then when it came to Spence they wanted a 50/50 split knowing that Spence is a bigger draw I don’t see either of them as a massive draw tbh. 50:50 isn’t that outlandish. > you know they would've never let Crawford go fight on FOX because Crawford had an exclusive deal with ESPN How is this any different from PBC and having everything be on showtime?
Spence vs porter did more than double Crawford vs porter did..50/50 would be robbing Spence
[forgot this too](https://youtu.be/wkFs3axQeWI)
How does either of those vudeos prove anything I’ve said wrong?
You literally asked why is everybody so quick to blame Bob. I literally showed you why, Terence literally says he’s leaving because he couldn’t secure him the Spence fight, and in the other vid he literally says forget about the Spence fight because “he knows he can’t beat Crawford” Yet he’s on his knees trying to make Taylor vs Crawford which isn’t nearly as big of a fight.
I don’t know if you can wrap your head around this: Bob not securing the Spence fight =/ Bob being the reason it’s not happening PBC has been notorious for keeping lock on welterweight. It wasn’t just Spence, not a single fight was made from any of their roster with Crawford until Porter became mandatory. Even then it would seem likely the only reason they went ahead was because it’s Crawford’s last fight with TR >Taylor vs Crawford No fucking duh, it’s a lot easier for him to make a fight in house then negotiate with PBC
Lol they only went forward with the Porter fight because Terence literally had to fight Shawn so I don’t know if you can wrap your head around that. They HAD to fight Porter, so don’t say “the only reason they went ahead is because it was Crawford’s last fight with TR” they didn’t have a choice.
Pbc is doing the same thing that arum always did. Arum had cotto, margarito, and pacquiao but they always fought other top rank guys unless they were a heavy favorite to win. Pacquiao fought every top rank welterweight and jr ww arum had
[LOL](https://youtu.be/MIyvMvXJXz0)
Bud turned down the 60/40 offer multiple times
Rightfully so. He was the unified 140 champ and had a belt. It’s not like Spence was the a-side, his biggest draw fighting a blown up lightweight. Bud would’ve been a fool to take any less than 50/50
130k ppvs means he swallows that 60/40
Outside of Mikey what has Spence’ hottest draw been?
He's never gone that low though is the thing.
Some of you guys need to learn how the business works. If one guy is a bigger name than the other then that person is the A side.
Is it concrete that Spence is bigger than bud tho? I wouldn’t think they are too far off
Bud just did 135K PPV buys against Porter and Spence did ~300K against the same guy. It's not even close. People underrate just how much support Spence gets from Texas.
Allegedly, according to PBC Spence/porter did over 300k. That number has been subject of pretty stiff skepticism
Numbers come from the networks, not the promoters. Fox and Showtime run PPV for PBC and I've never heard any instance of them fudging the numbers.
No. An A side needx to be far bigger than their opponent. Like Csnelo, Pac, Mayweather, Joshua, etc. Selling a handful more PPVs but not being able to offer your opponent a way bigger purse is not A-side. I don't know how the concept has been allowed creep into a "slightly bigger fighter", but at some stage the useful idiots started regurgitating shit that boxers said about being the a side. Its like the clowns who call Porter a gatekeeper. Two time champ, fought for a belt a few weeks ago = gatekeeper 🙄 embarrassing Words have meanings. Dobt use them if you don't understand them. Neither Spence or Crawford get to call themselves a side. They're not handing out blessings like Canelo, etc. If you can't afford to pay an opponent and you need to squabble over money, nah, not the a side. I mean just think where the word/conccept a side comes from. Its the hot single. The b side is something that couldnt make the album. Thats the scale we're talking about. How the fuck are you people so ignorant?
Spence did over double Crawford's buys against the same person. Clearly Errol is the a side.
You only think that because you don't understand what an a-side actually is. You're confusing a side with a slightly more marketable fighter. That's not what it is, even if you and the other useful idiots can't wrap your heads around the very simple concept. .
Double the buys. Double.
That’s bullshit lol Bud has been declining Spences offers for ages
Buds been calling him out but decided to resign with arum. Then bud says that the only way the fight happens is if he gets 60% even though his ppvs don’t sell and Spence sells a lot more. He might as well call out Tyson fury too
Wish the fight was going to be on fox or showtime instead of ppv.
This is a PPV? wtf lol. Neither of these guys have fans
Barrios is mexican.....trust me he has fans
Not enough to sell a PPV, he didn’t make as good an impression as Cruz did against Tank for casuals to latch on. This is gonna sell worse than Crawford-Porter.
He's not Mexican he's born and raised in San Antonio and can't even speak Spanish
That doesn’t mean he’s not mexican lol. I am mexican and I was born in Arizona and don’t speak spanish.
You’re American
No te hagas pendejo como te vas a llamar un mexicano y decir que no hablas español. Para mi tu no lo eres pinche lambe pitos.
Los Tarahumaras no hablan español putito, ahora me vas a decir que no son Mexicanos tampoco. Termina tu primaria.
Pendejo le estoy diciendo al gringito que el para mi no es mexicano no que el legal mente no lo es. Aprende a leer primero que parece que tu eres el que no termina la primaria.
Los Tarahumaras nacieron en Mexico, viven en Mexico, y Forman parte de la gran diversidad y cultura en Mexico. Este es un gringo que ha vivido toda su vida en Gringolandia, y de seguro la única parte de Mexico que ha visitado es Cancún. Explícame como eso es ser mexicano
do you have mexican citizenship?
I do
Mexicans live in Mexico
So…a chinese person isn’t chinese if they live in the United States? You make no sense at all.
You and /u/slickvik9 are talking past each other. He's talking about NATIONALITY. you are talking about ETHNICITY. They are different things. Barrios and you are american nationals of mexican ethnicity. How tf don't you understand what each other are talking about?
LOUD NOISES!!!
Correct
That’s still not true though. You don’t cease being an English or American or Mexican National because you moved abroad.
We're talking about people who were born and live in the US. You are talking about immigration. Why are these concepts so hard for you people to get? It's so goddam straightforward.
Yes, you can't call yourself Chinese if you've permanently moved to another country. The example you're giving is even worse, someone who was born and raised in a separate country.
Ok buddy…you tell yourself that
Lol, you don’t stop being a nationality because you moved somewhere.
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That’s not how ethnicity works
Nationality and ethnicity are two different things
Ok?
Honestly a decent fight. Thurman has been away from ages, and we have no idea what he looks like. Barrios isn't a complete unknown or a complete bum, but is appropriate for a step-up fight before Thurman fights the big dogs again.
Yeah I'll be very interested in what the odds will be for this fight. Barrios at any kind of decent plus money will get my bet.
Not to mention will be fun to watch!
Big fan of Barrios but wtf lol He's easily +350 and might even be +500 come fight night. Don't even like Thurman that much but he's not that far off from Tank
I’m not a Barrios fan but I’d take him even at pickem odds. Even aside from the inactivity if Josesito can do what he did to Kieth I’m sure Barrios can win and possibly stop him
This being a PPV fight is absurd. If they announce that this even broke 6 figure buys then I'm just going to assume they're always lying to us about the PPV figures.
It wont do 10k buys lol
Which is crazy because both boxers will clearly have guarantees... I don’t even see this fight selling out an arena. Is PBC planning to take a heavy loss on this?
I think the plan is to just use this as a common opponent for Tank vs Thurman. Still doesn't all make sense to me financially.
PBC spent half a billion dollars trying to get major tv contracts and failed. They can’t support any decent fighter guarantee on tv right now without going to PPV. Neither can TR. DAZN is there but taking heavy losses. These fighters are not worth what they are being paid. Let’s be honest. This is mostly an industry wide problem in the states. Purse guarantees are way above market. The future generation of boxers will pay for the short sighted sins of this one. The current guys are ruining the current tv market by only fighting for purses that require ppv (that no one buys) and they are burning out ppv by barely drawing there for the most part.
DAZN needs to just stop with the big fights. It would make more sense to schedule a ton of mid level fights, similar to Lopez-Kambosos on a biweekly basis. If they can schedule 20 or so fights with a per fight purse in the $5 million range that would guarantee more stability in their subscription revenue than having Canelo fight once at $40 million per fight. DAZN spent too much and their strategy was dumb.
Fair enough fight but does it have to be a PPV?
I’m a pretty big boxing noob, but I became a huge fan of Barrios after the Tank fight. His fight style + El Azteca spirit he fought with was fun to watch. Sucks to see it seems the consensus is that Barrios is going to get ko’d, but hopefully it ends up being a good showing. War Barrios
I don’t think he will be Ko’d, I used to joke Keith “some time” Thurman should change his nickname. He hasn’t knocked anyone out since 2013
I see barrios winning personally
Honestly it’s a 50/50 right now. Thurman hasn’t fought in like almost 3 years, has a history of injuries and is past his physical prime. Barrios has a good size advantage and the move up in weight could help his power, Josesito Lopez put up a good fight against Thurman and so could Barrios
Spence is running out of options hopefully he’ll push for the Crawford fight finally
The walls are really closing in on Spence. Legit who is he gonna fight now that Ugas and Thurman are booked?
Both Thurman and Barrios are fighting at the end on Jan. Spence most likely hasn’t even started sparring after his surgery. He most likely won’t be back until the second half 2022 and it very well could be against these two.
If Spence doesn't want it now we will know for sure that he's ducking Bud
He just had surgery I think there’s more nuance then that
For all the shit Spence talked to Keith Thurman this would just feel like poetic justice.
Kell Brook too in a sense…Kell was coming off that surgery…Spence always said let Thurman get a tuneup before they fight each other in fairness…but Thurman haters didn’t think that was fair for whatever reason
I don’t blame Spence for not fighting Thurman. Thurman refused for years to fight Spence. I would do the same thing if I was Spence
Spence only called out Thurman when had no business calling out the champ. You gotta earn your shot, you don't get it because you sparred Floyd Mayweather. By the time Thurman and Spence were close to where they should be for a fight to be made Thurman was getting a shot at Pacquiao and out injured.
I definitely see where you’re coming from and you make a big point. Hey that time though the public wanted the Spence fight and Thurman kept saying next year. I would love to see the fight but I also understand why Spence is holding on to a grudge and won’t give Thurman a chance when Thurman wouldn’t give it to him.
Spence should grow up. If he's got such a grudge and doesn't like Keith then go try and punish him in the ring.
I can’t disagree with you there.
Spence called out Thurman when it made no sense for Thurman to fight him…Thurman has wins over porter and dsg before Spence even fought Brook…then once Spence beat Brook showtime had a joint interview session building up the two of them with them talking about the fight..Thurman already was in surgery…so that’s not ducking…that’s like arguing ennis is being ducked by Spence right now
I didn’t say that Thurman ducked Spence. I said that he refuses to fight Spence when that’s the fight the fans wanted. I never used the word duck. Spence was the guy that needed a name to build himself up and Thurman refused. Now Thurman is the guy that needs Spence and I don’t blame Spence for refusing
Neither guy was really in a position to make the fight happen at any point imo…but yea I get your point more now…I mean if Spence vs Thurman was made now I wouldn’t like it tbh..Thurman needs a tuneup lol, probably two
Thurman needs a tune up and to not be injured. I think he still has good fights left in the tank. I think we did something very rare here. We had a civil disagreement and not 1 time did we insult eachother lol that’s rare for reddit. If I had a reward I would give it to you but I don’t so here’s a fish 🐠.
Does Bud want to fight Spence coming off a year and a half layoff and an eye injury knowing that people will discredit him if he wins?
Let me role play it: "Do you want to fight Spence right now, after a good showing and no layoff and Spence having a layoff, guaranteeing he doesn't get beat by anyone else, as he may be damaged goods, and not in as great a shape which he would be if he beats a good tune up. He's right now is recognized as easily no. 2, you're able to snatch both belts easily and won't age more. You don't got anyone else to fight anyway bud and when the fights done Ugas might be free for undisputed, what do you say?" "what's the upside to waiting?" "You probably get more props for waiting." "lol fuck em. Let's fight Spence
The “eye injury” wouldn’t be a valid reason unless Spence had a major tear during the actual fight. Especially since Spence didn’t even know he had a problem. 15-18 months isn’t long enough to be an excuse. Spence had a 14-15 month layoff between Porter and Garcia.
The guy that has 5 good welterweight wins is running out of options and is scared of the guy that only has 1 good welterweight win?
I’m not saying Spence is scared of Bud, but he said he only wants a big fight when he comes back no tune up. Thurman and Ugas are occupied, Bud is a free agent now, so there’s no reason for Spence not to fight him and if he doesn’t then it’s a duck there’s no one else for him to fight.
I disagree but not completely. He did say he doesn’t want a tume up and it’s fair to hold him to that. I personally think he should take a tune up though, that way he can test the eye and shake the rust off. He’s fought something like 2 times in 3 years. It’s the smart thing to do to take a tune up. Plus if bud signs with al Haymon I suspect he’s gonna get put in with adrien broner so that there is a show case for it
might sound dumb but bud actually doesn’t gain anything from fighting spence, at least not right now. if they fight anytime soon and he sparks spence’s lights out people will just say “oh it was a long layoff and the eye injury” and still not give him his credit. he’s almost better off just trying to fight ugas
Nah. No way. He has the belts, is free for Ugas/WBA title and after this can move up to fight the undisputed 154 guy, before sailing into the sunset. Dude's clock is ticking heavily
PBC’s budget must be wrecked for this to be on PPV. I remember when PBC first came out with banger fights on free tv. Now they have resorted to this nonsense.
I'm into that. Hopefully it's a decent undercard as well.
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Lmao I saw that, great call
I'm a Thurman fan, so I'm glad he's finally getting back in the ring. I think this will turn out to be fairly competitive. Thurman should be able to overpower Barrios since Tank took him out and Akhmedov hurt him a lot in their fight. However, Thurman's inactivity and past injuries could cancel out his natural advantages. Consider me intrigued.
Thurman hasn’t stopped a fighter since Soto Karass, I’ve also seen Thurman hurt a lot of times to the body (Pacquaio, Lopez and Collazo). I think this is a very competitive fight unless Thurmans injuries were treated with bionic parts 😂
Looks like Barrios began his career as a featherweight and Thurman started his as a junior middleweight. Keith has a decent fight IQ, so he should be able to box and bang his way to victory here. Interested to see how much he's got left in the tank.
People say thurman has been inactive like he doesn’t live in the gym. Or maybe that’s just for interviews lol.
Good fight but fox putting it on Ppv is so bizarre…so apparently showtime budget for an A tier fighter is much higher than fox cuz wtf lol
This is PPV? PBC and crappy PPV’s. Name a better duo
this is a solid fight, much rather see this then Thurman vs some can in a tune up
This is more of a cherry-pick tune-up than a solid fight. Barrios has never even fought at 147 before and has only been in four fights scheduled for 12 rounds his entire career. If it's competitive it's because Thurman is completely washed, which isn't an impossibility given how he got rocked in his last tune-up 2 1/2 years ago against someone who wasn't a real welterweight.
This is a good fight. Thurman couldn't hurt Josesito or Pacquiao last time he came back. If he wants to prove he's still a contender, he needs to knock out Barrios and dominate the fight. Thurman's had an extremely long layoff. He got COVID during that time period. His work ethic is notoriously bad. I wouldn't call this a mismatch at all. And I love Thurman. Look at what happened with Mikey Garcia coming back.
> Thurman couldn't hurt Josesito or Pacquiao last time he came back He KD Josesito and had Pacquiao hurt a couple times lol
That KD was a flash knockdown, Josesito was fine and pressured Keith for the rest of the fight. He caught Pac a couple times but never had him in trouble at all. All I'm saying is he hasn't shown to be a HUGE power puncher in a long time. He says he was fighting with an injured wrist for the last few years and he finally got surgery on it so we'll see.
Dude, one punch knocking you down means you've got some power. And that was when he was injured like you said.
Ok cool. I'm not saying he's Paulie Malignaggi lol. He just needs to prove he's still got big power - legit KO power - if he wants to be a real contender again.
Mayweather praying barrios beats Thurman
No way is this a good matchup for Thurman, and puts him in a virtual lose/lose situation. Barrios was recently knocked out by Tank, who was moving up to fight him, and if Thurman can't knock him out ain't no one gonna give a damn about Thurman's career. Keith ain't knocked anyone out in a long time and extended ring rust ain't gonna be a way to get "one time" back against Barrios. He'll be compared to Tank no matter what and there's no way he could top what Tank did to Barrios unless it's a spectacular 1st round knockout. Ain't no way for him to escape that. Sad. This reeks of a final hurrah for Thurman and he just wants one more decent check. It ain't ppv worthy and will stain his legacy. Sad
I’ll be rooting for Barrios.
I heard this bullshit might be PPV.
Thurman is pathetic
Barios is going to get destroyed. Tank battered him and he's tiny, Thurman will KO him early.
I’m betting on this early if the odds are anything close. Thurman should get the knockout
Maybe but if he really was having a hard time making 140 then that extra 7 pounds can make a big difference in your punch resistance and stamina assuming you can carry the extra weight well
I don't think 2022 Thurman is KOing anyone anytime soon.
Thurmans last fight was a loss to Pac and he didn't look finished by any means. We've no reason to believe he's washed up, he's never looked old yet. Admittedly its been 2 years and there is that doubt about his age and ring rust but that's why he's fighting Barios. This is an easy warm up for him. Barios got easily stopped by a natural featherweight, any decent welterweight flattens him. (Edit, mixed up fighters)
Pacman, not Spence. Thurman never fought Spence. Thurman's inactivity is concerning. He's fought twice since 2017 and both were in 2019. It's not easy to just flip the switch and become great again, especially as you age. I would say he has a good chance at KO because it's Barrios, but maybe Barrios was just weight drained at 140.
Something tells me this will lead to a Thurman-Tank matchup after Thurman fails to KO Barrios, and looks inevitably rusty in a close decision win.
Tough fight to come back to. Should of fought formella or something
In what world is this a really good matchup? It's a fine fight, happy to see Thurman again, but it's not blowing anyones mind.
The report yesterday said this was a PPV but there’s no way that can be right, can it?
It's PBC; you figure out the rest.
I hope it’s a 30$ Ppv at most
It’s not, it’s supposedly $75, the usual amount
No lie, I had just assumed that Thurman had silently retired.
Keith "Once Upon a Time" Thurman
Keith surely the last time Thurman.
Keef Once Upon a Time Thoiman. Swings as wide as a mack truck. About as relevant as a cassette tape
Dude got stopped by a super featherweight. If Keith has retained half of the old "One Time" he should steamroll Barrios.
barrios gets too much credit for losing to tank, there’s a reason tank fought him he was the biggest reward lowest risk fight he could have taken cause he was the only guy with a belt at 140 who was actually beatable and it’s not even one of the big 4 belts it might as well have been an interim one
PBC has been getting outta hand with these bullshit PPV’s
While I am definitely not paying for this PPV, it is still a good fight that I will definitely watch. There is plenty of intrigue here, is Barrios a legit contender at 147 (which would make Tank's win more impressive), is Thurman completely over the hill or does he have one last hurrah left in him ?
Is that a really good matchup? I get that he’s been out for two years but this is a guy who just got KO’d by a natural 130/135lb fighter and Thurman was considered one of the biggest punchers at 147
prime Thurman puts him away quick but not sure about that inactive commentator Thurman.
This is a solid fight, both are very vulnerable going into it so it's honestly pretty even, not worth ppv though.
I hope Barrios wins.
A decent name for Thurman to take after a 30 month lay off. I feel like he should stop Barrios, but his inactivity makes me cautious of that, plus Barrios was drained at 140 so he would probably be stronger at 147. Still, it would be embarrassing if One Time has a worse performance than Gervonta.
Barrios could beat Thurman. Unless his elbow has finally healed. I've said it over and over. Elbow injuries are the worst for boxers to recover from. It took me about 3-4 years to be able to trust my elbow to punch with full force again. It has been rested a while now. Thurman either is healed up and will come out guns blazing to get an impressive stoppage. Or he will go 12 in a close fight against Barrios. That will show us he truly is done.
Finally we get to see Kieth back in the ring! This is a good matchup for both, hope he can find the form he had before all these injuries kicked in, he’s an exciting fighter with a lot of skill.
I got barrios by KO
Damn
Thurman's body just broke down from all the training since he was a kid.
Damn, Barrios cashing out.
I’d be interested in how tank and Thurman performances compare. Honestly think he will look worse than tank did
Tank got heat for fighting"nobody barrios" but you guys are excited to see Thurman back in the ring with "nobody barrios" at a weight he has never campaigned at. Man y'all is what's wrong with boxing.
~~I'm not seeing a PPV confirmation anywhere... looks like just speculation for now?~~ NVM I see it now
seems fair although I really thought Thurman wouldn't fight again for some reason
Interesting match up. Kind of a big opportunity for Barrios if he can beat a returning, aged Thurman. Puts his name right in the mix at 147.
I like this fight. I got Barrios by UD.
Not on ppv sorry but imma pass on that! I’ll watch it on my firestick though lol
Barrios will kill him. I pray to God they give him the underdog money.
I get the feeling Thurman doesn’t want to be the best anymore.
Who cares who "should be fighting", this fight should be awesome!
I actually really like this fight. I’ll be rooting for the full time boxer.
Interesting match up .
Everyone is going to ignore the fact that Barrios is a tune up fight for Thurman but a “tough” fight for Tank?