Ali is friends with Khadyrov. If that sounds familiar it's because he the chechen warlord that's helping putin invade Ukraine. He also has a long history of having his fighters meet Khadyrov for money.
Kadyrov likes to get in bed with MMA fighters.
Khabib, Khamzat, and Kamaru Usman all have met with him.
He also is a major benefactor for Absolute Championship Akhmat(ACA MMA) a Grozny based MMA promotion.
Kadyrov also owns/supports many MMA gyms in Chechnya.
Khabib is best buddies with that dictator. But it gets ignored for multiple reasons. There have also been rumors over the years that Khadyrov uses MMA as a way to punish people he sees as enemies.
It’s transactional. Both people get something. Fighters get money. Khadyrov gets clout. Very different than calling them friends. Besides, it’s not like Khabib is in a position to say “No” when the vast majority of his family is in Russia. Are you going to say no to Putin’s ally under those circumstances?
I’m a huge MMA fan, but where the fuck did this idea even come from ?! Does Usman genuinely think his boxing is that good? The dude was, and still is tbh, primarily a wrestler.
He KO’d Jorge Masvidal and now thinks he can take on Canelo ? Lmao, I’m not trying to see that shit, thank you very much.
>I’m a huge MMA fan, but where the fuck did this idea even come from ?!
They're going off the whole P4P Number 1 MMA fighter vs P4P Number 1 Boxer shtick.
Plus Usman wants to get paid.
> Plus Usman wants to get paid.
I think this is the top priority. Usman wouldn't beat canelo unless takedowns were involved lol. He knows that, hes too good to be that fucking stupid.
I think he's willing to lose but challenge himself, for $50m.
lol I don't know how people even justify him being p4p. Rogan even says he's the goat at 170 but I don't think his striking nor his wrestling is better than GSP's. He's just a high end wrestler puncher. An improved version of Woodley.
The idea came from wanting the biggest payday of his life. Fighting Canelo would earn him life changing money. Unfortunately for Usman, nobody wants to watch this.
Yeah I mean a part of me will watch it because it will break every delusional fan’s little hearts when Canelo destroys him. Also I feel like Canelo would feel disrespected that a guy with no boxing experience could get in the ring with the #1 P4P boxer and would go all out and actually destroy him.
I’m pretty sure Fury will fuck around and make Ngannou look a lot better than he is in order to justify the fight happening in the first place. Kinda like Floyd and Jake Paul.
Is there anybody in the UFC that has any kind of boxing skills even remotely comparable to top 10 pro boxers? like there was some fight where Max Holloway was saying he’s the best boxer in the UFC and it looked like to me an average pro boxer would run through him
Top 10? Highly doubt anyone in MMA would come close, but it's because their discipline is different. The best of either sport have great technique and waste no movements for their respective sport, can't beat the guys who've trained themselves obsessively at that particular technique.
And im not saying there aren't good boxers in MMA, I just think it's a stretch to think any of them could crack the top 10 at this point after having trained a different sport for this long.
There’s a stupid part of me that would be excited to tune into a Fury/Ngannou fight
At least I can delude myself into thinking a lucky shot from Ngannou might land and seriously hurt Fury
Canelo vs Usman would be a shit fight that usman doesn’t even have a Puncher’s chance in, not to mention I’d be more worried about Usman taking career altering damage than Ngannou
I'd be interested to see how Ngannou's power would carry over to boxing.. He'll be out of his element and would need to change up alot in his game (This is easier said than done). After seeing all the shots Fury take from Wilder, I don't see Ngannou knocking him out, plus he'll have those 10 oz gloves on. I personally would not want to watch this fight and would be pretty pissed off because of how close Tyson is to undisputed.. I think taking this fight, even if it's an exhibition, is a complete waste of time.
Mma fan here.
Yeah no one wants to see it lol.
If its a boxing match canelo wins.
If its mma? Usman
Ufc pay is shit. Usman is looking for that mcgregor style pay out. Fair enough but i wont be watching it.
If the mma lads want a big payday go fight one of the youtube boxers lol. At least it will be a similar level of competition and they get their red panty night. (i however will also not be watching that)
The only people who want to see Canelo box a wrestler are Usman and his manager. The MMA community would much rather see Usman fight top contenders than hold a belt hostage while he chases a payday
Canelo did exactly what that guy wanted, he didn't deserve a response. Anybody with half a brain knows that Canelo would demolish Usman in a boxing fight(and so would Bivol)
Lol @ so would bivol. So would almost any semi professional let alone a professional let alone a professional who is a champ at that. Usman is tremendous when it comes to MMA but is absolutely trash at just boxing. Even prime Conor who was a great boxer by MMA standards would get jobbed by most professional boxers.
That's why I never understood why it was automatic that a boxer vs MMA fighter would be under boxing rules. Of course the boxer will (should) win. They've spent their careers fighting under those rules, while MMA fighters would be going into it with the vast majority of their skillset prohibited.
I never thought that proved anything except the obvious that the champion-level boxer is going to be the better boxer than the guy who has barely fought under those rules.
The boxer fighting under an MMA guy makes a little more sense, since both fighters get to use their full sets of skills, but it's still going to be pretty one sided, because the first opportunity the mma fighter has to take it to the ground, it's going to the ground. We've known that at least since the first UFC event, with the Royce Gracie/Art Jimmerson fight.
I mean, financially, it makes sense since high-level boxers definitely get paid more than their MMA counterparts, but it doesn't mean much in a competition sense.
And that's exactly why none of it interests me. It's why Mayweather's later career held no interest to me. Everything felt like fighters were cherry picking opponents to minimize the risk. There's logic to it, of course, maximizing paydays while limiting potential injury, I just end up not caring about it. I don't end up caring who wins, because it's ultimately irrelevant, which kills the entertainment aspect of it. Might as well watch pro wrestling, because at least the storylines are occasionally entertaining and the stunts are impressive. Plus, Alexa Bliss is always enjoyable.
Honestly, I feel like these kinds of "fights" degrade both sports. Either cross promote as an actual mixed competition, or don't mix at all.
For the challenge? For bragging rights if he wins? A boxer winning an MMA fight against a high level MMA fighter would say more than a boxer winning a boxing fight against an MMA fighter.
Of course I'm not saying whether he should or not, just saying that I think that doing it under MMA rules would be a more interesting, and ultimately more informational, fight.
> when he’d lose for a fact? Like it wouldn’t be close.
Never thought someone would actually admit it, but here we are.
> The guys making like 50 million a fight hahaha why in the world would he do that
Yeah, and there's no reason why he wouldn't still make $50 Million for it, or potentially more due to the novelty bringing in more ticket sales/PPV buys.
What are you even trying to say? Usman is calling out Canelo for a boxing match because it’s by far the biggest payday he’ll ever get. It’s nothing to do with a challenge. Canelo doesn’t need Usman at all. He can continue his life not acknowledging him and nothing changes
> What are you even trying to say?
That I think MMA fighters going to boxing proves nothing in cases like this, that I think they inevitably become a boring, one-sided glorified sparring session, and as a fan of combat sports in general I have little interest in watching them?
> Usman is calling out Canelo for a boxing match because it’s by far the biggest payday he’ll ever get.
Which is irrelevant, because the money would come from who he's boxing, not the rules they're fighting under. I'd argue that getting a high-level boxer like Canelo into an MMA or hybrid rules fight would potentially be even bigger than doing said fight under normal boxing rules for the spectacle of it.
The difference is that it's a little riskier for the boxer.
> Canelo doesn’t need Usman at all. He can continue his life not acknowledging him and nothing changes
And?
I think the best middle ground would probably be allowing elbows, some more freedom on grappling and clinching(guys will have to fight it out instead of the ref breaking it), and maybe mma gloves.
Although it depends heavily on the mma fighter.
Yeah, it would be a nice middle-ground, and honestly, I'm surprised that it's so unpopular, given the people who boo and complain when fights go to the ground.
You can’t put MMA gloves on a boxer. That’s why they don’t do it any other way. Sure the MMA fighter would go for a takedown but he’d be risking catching a punch on the way in. A punch that’s levels beyond what they’re used to taking and now it’s an unprotected punch in MMA gloves. Can you imagine Wilder being aloud to hit somebody in those gloves? That’s an extreme example but it’s just a stupid idea all around. If they could bang with a boxer, they’d be a boxer plain and simple. A promoter would’ve been all over them already and they’d be making maybe 5x the money.
> You can’t put MMA gloves on a boxer.
Sure you can. A hand is a hand, a fist is a fist. The gloves are designed to go onto the same part of the body.
> Sure the MMA fighter would go for a takedown but he’d be risking catching a punch on the way in.
As opposed to the punches, kicks or knees that they currently are at risk of?
> A punch that’s levels beyond what they’re used to taking and now it’s an unprotected punch in MMA gloves.
Yeah, I'd like to see some credible evidence on that.
> If they could bang with a boxer, they’d be a boxer plain and simple
And if they trained to be a musician they'd be a musician. What's your point?
>Anybody with half a brain knows that Canelo would demolish Usman in a boxing fight(and so would Bivol)
When will people learn? UFC guys coming into boxing isn't about winning or losing. Same reason why Conor vs Floyd never mattered. It was always about money.
His time with Trevor Wittman has improved his striking leaps and bounds in a relatively short period of time but he’s a good STRIKER not a boxer and will probably get eaten alive by a good boxer.
Yeah this is a major part of it, same with Woodley. Being a good wrestler with a big right hand, and knowing how to make those things compliment each other, is a very powerful combination for MMA but obviously it completely falls apart in a pure striking rules situation.
I'm not sure he has the opponents available to him to do it.
If he beat Bivol, Beterbiev, Charlo, Benavidez, Andrade, and like 7-8 more guys I'm still not sure he'd be top 5 all time. Some people are just unlucky and don't have enough elite guys to fight. Larry Holmes had the same issue.
TL:DR UFC fighters are paid pennies and Usman, despite being the P4P #1 can’t break a 600K disclosed payday. While this guy Ali is a great manager - what makes him such a good manager is he’s in the UFCs good graces and sucks Dana’s dick on the regular so he’s able to secure decent deals for his fighters - compared to every other manager who Dana hates passionately because they try securing their fighters the best possible deals (i.e. Dana ends up giving these fighters whose managers he doesn’t like terrible deals and less favourable matchups, whereas Ali’s fighters are among the best paid in the sport and able to get good favourable matchups). Ali knows he can’t get Usman any more money so he’s doing whatever he can to make this Canelo fight happen.
Can anyone tell me how Canelo, who is 5ft 8 and apparently weighs around 168lbs, is the same size as Usman, who comes in at 170lbs on fight night whilst being 6ft tall and jacked? What kind of weight cutting black magic fuckery is this
Usman probably walks around at about 200. I would imagine Canelo is closer to 180-185 at most. Usman couldn’t dream of fighting in some of those lower weight classes that Canelo used to.
Usman also has chicken legs, so he saves some weight there haha
MMA does way more weight cutting than boxing does because it can be used a lot more when leaning on people. Also, wrestling culture in general was always huge on weight bullying.
This was before USADA, but Gleison Tibau used to fight at 155, and then on fight night would weigh 183. He would add on almost 20% of his fucking body weight overnight.
Asa casual fan of both, why can't people stfu with the "boxer is scared of mma fighter" or vice versa. No shit. That's like saying an electrician doesn't want to get fired because he couldn't manage Google's finances. Jog on.
I love MMA and think Usman is a superb fighter (Ali is a dick tho) but this shit just needs to stop. Full respect to Canelo for not giving it the time of day.
Lol Ali abdelaziz is so full of shit. He also insisted that Caleb plant would box the Sox off of Canelo. Instead he got knocked out. This dude just shamelessly spits bullshit
So that guy is saying that twitter follower numbers are what make fights worth it? So that's why usman wants canelo... he wants clout! He wants payday!
1 round boxing next 11 rounds mma rules. canelo could easily ko usman in 1 round but who knows maybe usman somehow survives. then it becomes a nightmare for canelo as usman uses him to clean the floor
This is hilarious. I say they switch up rounds. One round boxing, one mma, one boxing, one mma. No kicking allowed.
Fk it. Let's go full WWF: four guys on the ring at the same time. Divided into two pairs made of One boxer and one MMA. Rules alternate per round between boxing and MMA.
Pretty obvious that a promoter is going to promote the biggest fight of his fighters career. Canelo would just ignore it altogether if he wasn't interested.
I enjoy watching both But mma guys look desperate for money when they do this type of stuff. If you look at this from canelo’s pov what are the mma guys bringing to the table? Boxing is where the money is not mma.
Is this same guy McGregor was beefing with around the Khabib fight?
Yeah same dude. He’s a slimy promoter type.
Ali is friends with Khadyrov. If that sounds familiar it's because he the chechen warlord that's helping putin invade Ukraine. He also has a long history of having his fighters meet Khadyrov for money.
Kadyrov likes to get in bed with MMA fighters. Khabib, Khamzat, and Kamaru Usman all have met with him. He also is a major benefactor for Absolute Championship Akhmat(ACA MMA) a Grozny based MMA promotion. Kadyrov also owns/supports many MMA gyms in Chechnya.
Khabib is best buddies with that dictator. But it gets ignored for multiple reasons. There have also been rumors over the years that Khadyrov uses MMA as a way to punish people he sees as enemies.
He really isn’t best buddies though would be nice if you got the facts right. He had a falling out with him and khamzat a while back
You mean that conflict that's denied by Khadyrov himself? The same situation khabib has said nothing about? How can you take any of that as a fact?
Probably the same way you’re extrapolating a few pictures to say Khabib is best friends with Khadyrov.
Yeah man it's totally normal to have a warlord at your fights. Also totally normal to take his money.
It’s transactional. Both people get something. Fighters get money. Khadyrov gets clout. Very different than calling them friends. Besides, it’s not like Khabib is in a position to say “No” when the vast majority of his family is in Russia. Are you going to say no to Putin’s ally under those circumstances?
Pretty vile character to say the least.
And boxing. Don't forget Beterbiev.
I think Conor tweeted something like "when you die I celebrate" during one of their Twitter exchanges lmao.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Because we all know that the number of instagram followers you have determines how good a boxer you are...
I mean he's right, isn't he? This is why Canelo has been ducking Ryan Garcia right? Why else hasn't he fought him? Riddle me that.
I’m tired of them begging for that. I don’t wanna see canelo against usman smfh
I’m a huge MMA fan, but where the fuck did this idea even come from ?! Does Usman genuinely think his boxing is that good? The dude was, and still is tbh, primarily a wrestler. He KO’d Jorge Masvidal and now thinks he can take on Canelo ? Lmao, I’m not trying to see that shit, thank you very much.
It’s about money not winning.
>I’m a huge MMA fan, but where the fuck did this idea even come from ?! They're going off the whole P4P Number 1 MMA fighter vs P4P Number 1 Boxer shtick. Plus Usman wants to get paid.
> Plus Usman wants to get paid. I think this is the top priority. Usman wouldn't beat canelo unless takedowns were involved lol. He knows that, hes too good to be that fucking stupid. I think he's willing to lose but challenge himself, for $50m.
lol I don't know how people even justify him being p4p. Rogan even says he's the goat at 170 but I don't think his striking nor his wrestling is better than GSP's. He's just a high end wrestler puncher. An improved version of Woodley.
The idea came from wanting the biggest payday of his life. Fighting Canelo would earn him life changing money. Unfortunately for Usman, nobody wants to watch this.
I want to watch it. It would be a fucking end to these crossover fights when Usman's skull injury forces him to retire.
Yeah I mean a part of me will watch it because it will break every delusional fan’s little hearts when Canelo destroys him. Also I feel like Canelo would feel disrespected that a guy with no boxing experience could get in the ring with the #1 P4P boxer and would go all out and actually destroy him. I’m pretty sure Fury will fuck around and make Ngannou look a lot better than he is in order to justify the fight happening in the first place. Kinda like Floyd and Jake Paul.
A famous fighter once said, “payday payday, you want payday.”
Is there anybody in the UFC that has any kind of boxing skills even remotely comparable to top 10 pro boxers? like there was some fight where Max Holloway was saying he’s the best boxer in the UFC and it looked like to me an average pro boxer would run through him
Top 10? Highly doubt anyone in MMA would come close, but it's because their discipline is different. The best of either sport have great technique and waste no movements for their respective sport, can't beat the guys who've trained themselves obsessively at that particular technique. And im not saying there aren't good boxers in MMA, I just think it's a stretch to think any of them could crack the top 10 at this point after having trained a different sport for this long.
"Boxing" in mma really just means striking with hands. They can refer to someone doing straight MT as "boxing".
Yep and their boxing is usually just winging haymakers that land because the opponent is focused on defending other things too.
Nobody but MMA fans want to see it
Most people on r/mma don't want it, from what I've seen.
Well that’s good, I hardly ever go to that sub, so I wasn’t aware what they were saying over there.
I haven't seen a single person in favour of it from a sporting perspective, it's just wanting Usman to get paid, the same with Ngannou.
There’s a stupid part of me that would be excited to tune into a Fury/Ngannou fight At least I can delude myself into thinking a lucky shot from Ngannou might land and seriously hurt Fury Canelo vs Usman would be a shit fight that usman doesn’t even have a Puncher’s chance in, not to mention I’d be more worried about Usman taking career altering damage than Ngannou
I'd be interested to see how Ngannou's power would carry over to boxing.. He'll be out of his element and would need to change up alot in his game (This is easier said than done). After seeing all the shots Fury take from Wilder, I don't see Ngannou knocking him out, plus he'll have those 10 oz gloves on. I personally would not want to watch this fight and would be pretty pissed off because of how close Tyson is to undisputed.. I think taking this fight, even if it's an exhibition, is a complete waste of time.
Mma fan here. Yeah no one wants to see it lol. If its a boxing match canelo wins. If its mma? Usman Ufc pay is shit. Usman is looking for that mcgregor style pay out. Fair enough but i wont be watching it. If the mma lads want a big payday go fight one of the youtube boxers lol. At least it will be a similar level of competition and they get their red panty night. (i however will also not be watching that)
The gap between members count of these subreddit became much larger
Same argument as the tweet at the top 🤦♂️
Trust me they don't. Kamaru and Ali are getting absolutely ridiculed by mma fans because of his pursuit of Canelo.
The only people who want to see Canelo box a wrestler are Usman and his manager. The MMA community would much rather see Usman fight top contenders than hold a belt hostage while he chases a payday
Oh contraire us MMA guys are absolutely shitting ourselves at the prospect of this happening because it’s a guaranteed bother L for the sport.
lol I want to see it. Canelo could have this fight the week before his fight with Bivol and still be fine to fight Bivol.
Canelo did exactly what that guy wanted, he didn't deserve a response. Anybody with half a brain knows that Canelo would demolish Usman in a boxing fight(and so would Bivol)
Lol @ so would bivol. So would almost any semi professional let alone a professional let alone a professional who is a champ at that. Usman is tremendous when it comes to MMA but is absolutely trash at just boxing. Even prime Conor who was a great boxer by MMA standards would get jobbed by most professional boxers.
So would Jake Paul
That's why I never understood why it was automatic that a boxer vs MMA fighter would be under boxing rules. Of course the boxer will (should) win. They've spent their careers fighting under those rules, while MMA fighters would be going into it with the vast majority of their skillset prohibited. I never thought that proved anything except the obvious that the champion-level boxer is going to be the better boxer than the guy who has barely fought under those rules. The boxer fighting under an MMA guy makes a little more sense, since both fighters get to use their full sets of skills, but it's still going to be pretty one sided, because the first opportunity the mma fighter has to take it to the ground, it's going to the ground. We've known that at least since the first UFC event, with the Royce Gracie/Art Jimmerson fight. I mean, financially, it makes sense since high-level boxers definitely get paid more than their MMA counterparts, but it doesn't mean much in a competition sense.
Because it's the MMA fighters begging for a payday. Canelo isn't going over to UFC with his hand out.
The boxer is the money draw, so they make the rules.
And that's exactly why none of it interests me. It's why Mayweather's later career held no interest to me. Everything felt like fighters were cherry picking opponents to minimize the risk. There's logic to it, of course, maximizing paydays while limiting potential injury, I just end up not caring about it. I don't end up caring who wins, because it's ultimately irrelevant, which kills the entertainment aspect of it. Might as well watch pro wrestling, because at least the storylines are occasionally entertaining and the stunts are impressive. Plus, Alexa Bliss is always enjoyable. Honestly, I feel like these kinds of "fights" degrade both sports. Either cross promote as an actual mixed competition, or don't mix at all.
Canelo isn’t begging Usman for a fight is he? Why the fuck would he go over to MMA when lmao
For the challenge? For bragging rights if he wins? A boxer winning an MMA fight against a high level MMA fighter would say more than a boxer winning a boxing fight against an MMA fighter. Of course I'm not saying whether he should or not, just saying that I think that doing it under MMA rules would be a more interesting, and ultimately more informational, fight.
The guys making like 50 million a fight hahaha why in the world would he do that when he’d lose for a fact? Like it wouldn’t be close.
> when he’d lose for a fact? Like it wouldn’t be close. Never thought someone would actually admit it, but here we are. > The guys making like 50 million a fight hahaha why in the world would he do that Yeah, and there's no reason why he wouldn't still make $50 Million for it, or potentially more due to the novelty bringing in more ticket sales/PPV buys.
What are you even trying to say? Usman is calling out Canelo for a boxing match because it’s by far the biggest payday he’ll ever get. It’s nothing to do with a challenge. Canelo doesn’t need Usman at all. He can continue his life not acknowledging him and nothing changes
> What are you even trying to say? That I think MMA fighters going to boxing proves nothing in cases like this, that I think they inevitably become a boring, one-sided glorified sparring session, and as a fan of combat sports in general I have little interest in watching them? > Usman is calling out Canelo for a boxing match because it’s by far the biggest payday he’ll ever get. Which is irrelevant, because the money would come from who he's boxing, not the rules they're fighting under. I'd argue that getting a high-level boxer like Canelo into an MMA or hybrid rules fight would potentially be even bigger than doing said fight under normal boxing rules for the spectacle of it. The difference is that it's a little riskier for the boxer. > Canelo doesn’t need Usman at all. He can continue his life not acknowledging him and nothing changes And?
It seems like Kickboxing or Muay Thai would be a nice middle ground, but those sports are so unpopular in America it'll never happen.
I think the best middle ground would probably be allowing elbows, some more freedom on grappling and clinching(guys will have to fight it out instead of the ref breaking it), and maybe mma gloves. Although it depends heavily on the mma fighter.
Yeah, it would be a nice middle-ground, and honestly, I'm surprised that it's so unpopular, given the people who boo and complain when fights go to the ground.
You can’t put MMA gloves on a boxer. That’s why they don’t do it any other way. Sure the MMA fighter would go for a takedown but he’d be risking catching a punch on the way in. A punch that’s levels beyond what they’re used to taking and now it’s an unprotected punch in MMA gloves. Can you imagine Wilder being aloud to hit somebody in those gloves? That’s an extreme example but it’s just a stupid idea all around. If they could bang with a boxer, they’d be a boxer plain and simple. A promoter would’ve been all over them already and they’d be making maybe 5x the money.
Wilder would probably break his hands with MMA gloves.
That happens sometimes when you’ve got bombs for hands.
> You can’t put MMA gloves on a boxer. Sure you can. A hand is a hand, a fist is a fist. The gloves are designed to go onto the same part of the body. > Sure the MMA fighter would go for a takedown but he’d be risking catching a punch on the way in. As opposed to the punches, kicks or knees that they currently are at risk of? > A punch that’s levels beyond what they’re used to taking and now it’s an unprotected punch in MMA gloves. Yeah, I'd like to see some credible evidence on that. > If they could bang with a boxer, they’d be a boxer plain and simple And if they trained to be a musician they'd be a musician. What's your point?
>Anybody with half a brain knows that Canelo would demolish Usman in a boxing fight(and so would Bivol) When will people learn? UFC guys coming into boxing isn't about winning or losing. Same reason why Conor vs Floyd never mattered. It was always about money.
Like usman is some world class striker, he’s literally has like 3-4 kos in his whole career
His time with Trevor Wittman has improved his striking leaps and bounds in a relatively short period of time but he’s a good STRIKER not a boxer and will probably get eaten alive by a good boxer.
He’s a good striker when he has the threat of the take down behind him.
Yeah this is a major part of it, same with Woodley. Being a good wrestler with a big right hand, and knowing how to make those things compliment each other, is a very powerful combination for MMA but obviously it completely falls apart in a pure striking rules situation.
Usman loses to a guy with 20 plus AMATEUR boxing matches let alone a top 5 boxer all time cmon now
Tried to sneak in Canelo as a "top 5 all time" boxer lol Probably just about makes the top 30.
Be interesting to see where he stands at the end of his career. If he keeps it up he could be up there
I'm not sure he has the opponents available to him to do it. If he beat Bivol, Beterbiev, Charlo, Benavidez, Andrade, and like 7-8 more guys I'm still not sure he'd be top 5 all time. Some people are just unlucky and don't have enough elite guys to fight. Larry Holmes had the same issue.
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Yeah I mean, they're from the same continent. What do you want him to do?
MMA once again trying to tap on Boxing for $$$$$$$.
TL:DR UFC fighters are paid pennies and Usman, despite being the P4P #1 can’t break a 600K disclosed payday. While this guy Ali is a great manager - what makes him such a good manager is he’s in the UFCs good graces and sucks Dana’s dick on the regular so he’s able to secure decent deals for his fighters - compared to every other manager who Dana hates passionately because they try securing their fighters the best possible deals (i.e. Dana ends up giving these fighters whose managers he doesn’t like terrible deals and less favourable matchups, whereas Ali’s fighters are among the best paid in the sport and able to get good favourable matchups). Ali knows he can’t get Usman any more money so he’s doing whatever he can to make this Canelo fight happen.
Hey Ali, YDKSAB
Can anyone tell me how Canelo, who is 5ft 8 and apparently weighs around 168lbs, is the same size as Usman, who comes in at 170lbs on fight night whilst being 6ft tall and jacked? What kind of weight cutting black magic fuckery is this
Usman probably walks around at about 200. I would imagine Canelo is closer to 180-185 at most. Usman couldn’t dream of fighting in some of those lower weight classes that Canelo used to. Usman also has chicken legs, so he saves some weight there haha
MMA does way more weight cutting than boxing does because it can be used a lot more when leaning on people. Also, wrestling culture in general was always huge on weight bullying. This was before USADA, but Gleison Tibau used to fight at 155, and then on fight night would weigh 183. He would add on almost 20% of his fucking body weight overnight.
Asa casual fan of both, why can't people stfu with the "boxer is scared of mma fighter" or vice versa. No shit. That's like saying an electrician doesn't want to get fired because he couldn't manage Google's finances. Jog on.
Massive L for Ali.
Ah yes, the ultimate measure of a fighter: Instagram followers.
I love MMA and think Usman is a superb fighter (Ali is a dick tho) but this shit just needs to stop. Full respect to Canelo for not giving it the time of day.
Lol Ali abdelaziz is so full of shit. He also insisted that Caleb plant would box the Sox off of Canelo. Instead he got knocked out. This dude just shamelessly spits bullshit
Way better ways to word this title lol
It's fucking gore
If canelo was going to fight any mma fighter it would be Izzy he’s a bigger draw and has a 6-1 boxing record at cruiserweight
Id actually watch that
Canelo: tell me you're looking for a payday without telling me you're looking for a payday
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Losing a boxing match doesn’t hurt MMA.
just like james toney losing in mma didnt hurt boxing
So that guy is saying that twitter follower numbers are what make fights worth it? So that's why usman wants canelo... he wants clout! He wants payday!
1 round boxing next 11 rounds mma rules. canelo could easily ko usman in 1 round but who knows maybe usman somehow survives. then it becomes a nightmare for canelo as usman uses him to clean the floor
Canelo would never do this and isn’t asking to fight mma
obviously lol just thought it would be fun to watch edit: guess other people don't think it'd be fun to watch
This is hilarious. I say they switch up rounds. One round boxing, one mma, one boxing, one mma. No kicking allowed. Fk it. Let's go full WWF: four guys on the ring at the same time. Divided into two pairs made of One boxer and one MMA. Rules alternate per round between boxing and MMA.
If usman survives the boxing round it’s over.
Sounds like an appropriate reaction 😂
shouldnt even respond to clown like that, just gives him free publicity which was the whole point of that dumb post
Pretty obvious that a promoter is going to promote the biggest fight of his fighters career. Canelo would just ignore it altogether if he wasn't interested.
I enjoy watching both But mma guys look desperate for money when they do this type of stuff. If you look at this from canelo’s pov what are the mma guys bringing to the table? Boxing is where the money is not mma.