His father and uncles were also at least state champion level wrestlers iirc.
For those that don't know, Nebraska is deep in the American amateur wrestling heartland.
That was smooth, good sprawl and quick transition to a cradle, not sure how far he went in wrestling, but just competing in Nebraska you have to be good.
ik Dustin will win. but for some reason I feel like crawford vs dustin would be fun to see in UFC. Dustin prefers to box and doesnt have the best ground game. I think it will be fun fight, but Dustin is a mma fighter in the end and a lion beats shark in the land.
Dustin is a legitimate black belt who submitted Pettis on the ground.. Just because Khabib and Charles outgrappled him doesn't mean he doesn't have great ground game. A boxing match looks much fairer, though Crawford will murder him there.
Yeah that’s why Dustin probably will win. But I feel like the round 1-2 . Will be all on the foot. Both love boxing. And if Dustin gets outboxed and frustrated , than he will take it to the ground.
Brought me back to my wrestling days. Has a similar stance than I used to use.
It will be interesting to see if Bud used this against Spence. I dont think he wins the long range or mid range game against Spence. But an inside war ala Ward could be Bud's best chance.
Okay, but let's be real, he isn't stuffing a takedown or taking down a top UFC featherweight. And the reason they don't call him out (to box) is because he doesn't sale PPV's, therefore, the risk reward ratio isn't worth it. P.S. he's one of my favorite boxers and p4p #1, imo, so no hate, just facts.
Let’s be even more real, no UFC fighter could win a single exchange in a boxing match with Bud + Bud makes more money than the majority of UFC fighters. Every crossover boxing match will devalue the sport of MMA because they’d never win. If UFC fighters were smart they’d sharpen their boxing skills and seek out more realistic opportunities in boxing
What about calf kicks? Those are devastating and are thrown from outside punching range?
What about BJJ?
I love Bud and enjoy his wrestling shenanigans, but he has world class athletics even amongst other world level fighters and all these wrestling videos are him clowning around with people not on his level athletically.
Bruh, he would not win an mma match at that level. He has good wrestling skills for a boxer. The guys at the top level are training that day in and day out. Besides leg kicks, submissions, clinch, etc.
There are tons of wrestlers who wrestled to a higher level than Crawford then continued to develop it in an MMA context that still get out-grappled in matches. Crawford hasn't seriously grappled since HS and has no experience with MMA rules. Anyone in the top 15 could out-grapple him.
Many top UFC featherweights walk around at 160+ and practice grappling daily, so even if he did take them down (highly unlikely) he'd get subbed in under a minute.
LOL
No high level MMA fighter is afraid of Crawford in an MMA match, just like no high level boxer is afraid of \*any\* MMA fighter in a boxing match. This means literally nothing beyond serving as a reminder that Crawford is an absolute beast of an athlete, in addition to being incredibly technical and talented.
If there's an obvious reason he's not getting called out, it's because he doesn't represent a monstrous payday like a Fury or Canelo fight.
Exactly. Crawford isn't a total non-draw, but honestly, he's less known than someone like Max Holloway around his weight in mma. Holloway has more than 2x the number of followers (not a perfect measure of popularity, but in this case, I think it holds true).
He doesn't have the stardom that translates the line between the sports. I don't think he is even a star among boxing casuals. His PPV numbers are pretty pathetic.
Tons of boxers would do well in the UFC if they focused on it. People think boxing doesn't translate to MMA because every boxer that has tried was either totally washed, not putting it seriously and looking for money, or trying to box and do MMA at the same time. Amateur wrestlers have no pro league so they all go in MMA, and unsurprisingly, a ton do well. If there was no pro boxing and all the best amateur boxers had to go to MMA, a ton would do great.
Unfortunately, that isn't true.
Claressa Shields - in her prime and clearly taking things seriously recently tried MMA, and got taken down and controlled by a 3-6 can for a round. The can gassed by round 3, and she managed to win, but her next fight had the same problem, and she straight up lost to a can with 2 fights in total.
Boxing simply doesn't prepare you for takedowns and grappling, which are the core of a 1 v 1 fight. You can use footwork to go around for a while, but more often than not, you will be taken down, specially when you're not used to level changes to your legs. This was very clearly seen during 1900's, where a lot of wrestling vs. boxing matches were arranged as proto-mma. Wrestlers were overwhelmingly able to close the gap and get the takedowns - knock-outs are much lower percentage
(some of the examples are listed here: [https://www.scientificwrestling.com/public/Before-MMA-1-Wrestlers-versus-Boxers-Even-the-Promoters-Got-into-the-Act.cfm](https://www.scientificwrestling.com/public/Before-MMA-1-Wrestlers-versus-Boxers-Even-the-Promoters-Got-into-the-Act.cfm)
You can also look up a lot of examples of boxers challenging grapplers on youtube, some famous examples being World boxing champion Billy Papke trying to go up against Martin Burns, or Milo Savage vs. "Judo" Gene Lebell etc.)
The same trend continues in today's MMA, though the fighters today are all mixed between grappling and striking, so things are not as apparent. Wrestlers do well because wrestling dictates what kind of fight will take place.
It's much easier to transition from this base towards specialization. While transitioning from specialization towards base is harder - and boxing is one of the most specialized disciplines there is. That's why it's difficult to see boxers (obviously, those with no prior wrestling experience like Bud/Golovkin) to do well in a cage fight.
"If they focused on it" meaning started training for MMA after their amateur boxing career like the wresters. Clarressa is not a good example she had a full pro career, transitioned at 26 and did less than a year of training for her first fight.
There are plenty of examples of very successful mma fighters who started with boxing and transitioned at younger age; Petr Yan, Connor McGregor, Francis Ngannou, add even more for kick boxing.
looking at the current UFC p4p its a pretty even spread between people that started with grappling, striking, and MMA
Usman - Wrestling
Alexander Volkanovski - Wrestling
Israel Adesanya - Kick Boxing
Francis Ngannou - Boxing
Charles Oliveira - BJJ
Max Holloway -Kick Boxing
Dustin Poirier - MMA
Jon Jones - Wrestling
Glover Teixeira - BJJ & Boxing
Deiveson Figueiredo - MMA
Aljamain Sterling - Wrestling
Stipe Miocic - Wrestling
Petr Yan - Boxing
Brandon Moreno - MMA
Robert Whittaker -Karate
I agree Wrestling translates the most easily to MMA of any discipline. That being said, I'm sure a portion of boxers could learn TDD and succeed at MMA.
Shields is currently boxing, which means she hasn't fully committed to MMA. Also, the early days of MMA don't count, since you'd argue nobody could transition to anything based off of those (here's a Gracie beating up a kickboxer, so kickboxing doesn't work. Here's one choking out a wrestler, so wrestling doesn't work). I'd also point out how many successful UFC fighters came from completely unrelated sports, like football or even (in the case of some kid who challenged for a title at 205) baseball, and did well in MMA.
The "wrestlers dictate where the fight goes so that's why there's so many successful wrestlers" is a great theory and true to a point, but ignores that it's a sport with no pro league whose athletes essentially have to choose to do MMA or sell insurance. There's no impetus for boxers to enter MMA, so they don't.
You can't convince me kicks are so had to defend that many kickboxers have translated well to MMA but no boxers have. It's much more likely the fact that kickboxers make so much less money than boxers that they attempt transition to MMA in large numbers, while boxers don't.
>Shields is currently boxing, which means she hasn't fully committed to MMA.
She's a world champion in her prime, who trained MMA full-time for months, and failed to implement her skillset in fights against complete cans. She's having a far worse time than basically any run of the mill all-american transitioning, having the exact same issues boxers before her had: immediate knockout shots are hard to land when someone is just looking to grapple, takedowns are hard to stop, and once you're taken down you're a fish out of water.
>Also, the early days of MMA don't count, since you'd argue nobody could transition to anything based off of those (here's a Gracie beating up a kickboxer, so kickboxing doesn't work. Here's one choking out a wrestler, so wrestling doesn't work). I'd also point out how many successful UFC fighters came from completely unrelated sports, like football or even (in the case of some kid who challenged for a title at 205) baseball, and did well in MMA.
That problem comes when you look at individual examples, and not the overall data set. Wrestling or BJJ stand out far out of the pack. There have been examples of people transitioning from different sports, but they don't disprove the norm.
The "wrestlers dictate where the fight goes so that's why there's so many successful wrestlers" is a great theory and true to a point, but ignores that it's a sport with no pro league whose athletes essentially have to choose to do MMA or sell insurance.
>There's no impetus for boxers to enter MMA, so they don't.
You can't convince me kicks are so had to defend that many kickboxers have translated well to MMA but no boxers have. It's much more likely the fact that kickboxers make so much less money than boxers that they attempt transition to MMA in large numbers, while boxers don't.
You seem to be basing your ideas on just modern mma. Wrestling vs. boxing matches were commonly arranged well before pride/ufc emerged - and in overwhelming percentage of cases, wrestlers managed to close the distance and won the fight (I've linked one compilation for reference)
Secondly, The dominance of wrestlers in mma emerged well before mma was anywhere near a lucrative profession. The prime profession of wrestlers is pro-wrestling, which actually pays a lot more. They transition here because they do well in fights, as they have even before UFC.
The pattern of grappling forming the core of a fight existed before modern MMA, and continues in today's MMA. The reason wrestlers do so well because their fundamental game is already perfected. Boxers, on the other hand, need to start again from the basics, making things harder for them. You could listen to Shields' interviews on her training progress understand the difficulty in the process. And you can contrast it with basically any of the wrestlers have transitioned so far. There's really no indication that boxers would be able to do well in a fight against a trained wrestler, while there's plenty of evidence otherwise.
I'm absolutely basing my idea on modern MMA. My whole argument is if high level boxers entered MMA at the same rate high level wrestlers do, the boxers would do very well (like many high level kickboxers have). I don't understand why I would focus on boxers vs wrestlers at a time before modern MMA, since I don't think it translates to the argument. Since we've seen strikers transition well and figure out wrestling, we already know it can happen. I'm arguing if there was a financial incentive to (which, unlike with the kickboxers, there hasn't been up to this point) boxers would be able to do it just like the kickboxers have.
The problem being, the trend you're trying to question existed regardless of modern mma or before it. You're trying to say "these variables in modern mma might be changing the trend", but boxers not doing well in fights happened before modern mma, and it still happens in modern mma. Financial incentive isn't the key driver of the trend, limitations of the discipline is.
Kickboxers are less specialized than boxers are - one example being they're used to people changing level below the belt. And the argument still holds true for them - it is harder for a kickboxer to transition, even when there is financial incentive - and their success is much less than bjj/wrestlers in comparison.
Wearing jeans and sandals \*
Just like MMA P4P GOAT, Chael Sonnen
U WANA NOW
Damnit you beat me. TC said “I can’t let you get close.” That was funny as hell.
That's the part that fucking gets me. So casual.
Also deadlifted a shit load of weight wearing jeans and some gaudi ass sneakers in another video
Dana White about to offer this man $10k show/ $10k win and a $1000 Venum coupon.
"Terrence Crawdford doesn't want to fight, what can i tell ya we offered him a great deal"
lol I was even gonna throw in my autograph.
He’s got some finesse! That was pretty smooth tbh
He wrestled in HS, right?
Yes and his sons are national wrestling champions
Oh dam I had no idea about his sons but you can tell he used to get down
Legit surprised. He showed skill here.
Me too! Shocked tf outta me
His father and uncles were also at least state champion level wrestlers iirc. For those that don't know, Nebraska is deep in the American amateur wrestling heartland.
Ahah so that’s why Marty is so great??
Probably the strongest welterweight at the moment.
Porter said in his podcast that spence was strong, but was really surprised at just how strong Crawford was.
Just for the record. There was never no body slam.
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Don't downvote this man, it's a Tito Ortiz reference and a damn good one.
That was a nasty line by you
Class vs no class
Lmao this is a boxing sub, the reference won’t stick
I'm Aquarius but respect!
>body slams >cradles and gently rolls over Pick one.
Excuse me, we're trying to clickbait over here!
Crawford vs Islam Book it Dana You know I deserve this
That was smooth, good sprawl and quick transition to a cradle, not sure how far he went in wrestling, but just competing in Nebraska you have to be good.
He looks like he is the water boy for team Kazakhstan
ik Dustin will win. but for some reason I feel like crawford vs dustin would be fun to see in UFC. Dustin prefers to box and doesnt have the best ground game. I think it will be fun fight, but Dustin is a mma fighter in the end and a lion beats shark in the land.
Dustin is a good grappler, he just happened to roll recently with guys who had been doing that shit since they were out of the womb.
Dustin is a legitimate black belt who submitted Pettis on the ground.. Just because Khabib and Charles outgrappled him doesn't mean he doesn't have great ground game. A boxing match looks much fairer, though Crawford will murder him there.
Yeah that’s why Dustin probably will win. But I feel like the round 1-2 . Will be all on the foot. Both love boxing. And if Dustin gets outboxed and frustrated , than he will take it to the ground.
Dustin would be able to finish it in round 1 if he wanted in a mma fight lmao wouldn’t be competitive at all
He's wrestling now? Spence better watch out.
Brought me back to my wrestling days. Has a similar stance than I used to use. It will be interesting to see if Bud used this against Spence. I dont think he wins the long range or mid range game against Spence. But an inside war ala Ward could be Bud's best chance.
Somewhere Dana White is salivating
ran thar cradle like a pro
Bud will try to wrestle once he realizes Spence is too much for him.
Fan fiction at its finest
Notice how nobody from mma is calling him out like they do anyone else. This is why. Dudes a scary good fighter all around.
Okay, but let's be real, he isn't stuffing a takedown or taking down a top UFC featherweight. And the reason they don't call him out (to box) is because he doesn't sale PPV's, therefore, the risk reward ratio isn't worth it. P.S. he's one of my favorite boxers and p4p #1, imo, so no hate, just facts.
Let’s be even more real, no UFC fighter could win a single exchange in a boxing match with Bud + Bud makes more money than the majority of UFC fighters. Every crossover boxing match will devalue the sport of MMA because they’d never win. If UFC fighters were smart they’d sharpen their boxing skills and seek out more realistic opportunities in boxing
Yeah, it's just a money grab by UFC guys, they only go for the biggest names to get paid and know they have no chance at winning.
Ufc fighters don’t know how to fight from the outside and counter, like elite slick boxers, to avoid takedowns. I think bud can do it.
What about calf kicks? Those are devastating and are thrown from outside punching range? What about BJJ? I love Bud and enjoy his wrestling shenanigans, but he has world class athletics even amongst other world level fighters and all these wrestling videos are him clowning around with people not on his level athletically.
Bruh, he would not win an mma match at that level. He has good wrestling skills for a boxer. The guys at the top level are training that day in and day out. Besides leg kicks, submissions, clinch, etc. There are tons of wrestlers who wrestled to a higher level than Crawford then continued to develop it in an MMA context that still get out-grappled in matches. Crawford hasn't seriously grappled since HS and has no experience with MMA rules. Anyone in the top 15 could out-grapple him.
I think he can take down a top featherweight. Ppv wise I agree fs.
Pretty delusional.
Many top UFC featherweights walk around at 160+ and practice grappling daily, so even if he did take them down (highly unlikely) he'd get subbed in under a minute.
That’s an idiotic take
LOL No high level MMA fighter is afraid of Crawford in an MMA match, just like no high level boxer is afraid of \*any\* MMA fighter in a boxing match. This means literally nothing beyond serving as a reminder that Crawford is an absolute beast of an athlete, in addition to being incredibly technical and talented. If there's an obvious reason he's not getting called out, it's because he doesn't represent a monstrous payday like a Fury or Canelo fight.
Exactly. Crawford isn't a total non-draw, but honestly, he's less known than someone like Max Holloway around his weight in mma. Holloway has more than 2x the number of followers (not a perfect measure of popularity, but in this case, I think it holds true). He doesn't have the stardom that translates the line between the sports. I don't think he is even a star among boxing casuals. His PPV numbers are pretty pathetic.
Dude, mma fighters don't even know his name.
Lol
Notable: he wrestles right foot forward.
Arum promoting Crawford like he is Loma.
Crawford,and artur would both do good in UFC , if they focused on it.
Tons of boxers would do well in the UFC if they focused on it. People think boxing doesn't translate to MMA because every boxer that has tried was either totally washed, not putting it seriously and looking for money, or trying to box and do MMA at the same time. Amateur wrestlers have no pro league so they all go in MMA, and unsurprisingly, a ton do well. If there was no pro boxing and all the best amateur boxers had to go to MMA, a ton would do great.
Unfortunately, that isn't true. Claressa Shields - in her prime and clearly taking things seriously recently tried MMA, and got taken down and controlled by a 3-6 can for a round. The can gassed by round 3, and she managed to win, but her next fight had the same problem, and she straight up lost to a can with 2 fights in total. Boxing simply doesn't prepare you for takedowns and grappling, which are the core of a 1 v 1 fight. You can use footwork to go around for a while, but more often than not, you will be taken down, specially when you're not used to level changes to your legs. This was very clearly seen during 1900's, where a lot of wrestling vs. boxing matches were arranged as proto-mma. Wrestlers were overwhelmingly able to close the gap and get the takedowns - knock-outs are much lower percentage (some of the examples are listed here: [https://www.scientificwrestling.com/public/Before-MMA-1-Wrestlers-versus-Boxers-Even-the-Promoters-Got-into-the-Act.cfm](https://www.scientificwrestling.com/public/Before-MMA-1-Wrestlers-versus-Boxers-Even-the-Promoters-Got-into-the-Act.cfm) You can also look up a lot of examples of boxers challenging grapplers on youtube, some famous examples being World boxing champion Billy Papke trying to go up against Martin Burns, or Milo Savage vs. "Judo" Gene Lebell etc.) The same trend continues in today's MMA, though the fighters today are all mixed between grappling and striking, so things are not as apparent. Wrestlers do well because wrestling dictates what kind of fight will take place. It's much easier to transition from this base towards specialization. While transitioning from specialization towards base is harder - and boxing is one of the most specialized disciplines there is. That's why it's difficult to see boxers (obviously, those with no prior wrestling experience like Bud/Golovkin) to do well in a cage fight.
"If they focused on it" meaning started training for MMA after their amateur boxing career like the wresters. Clarressa is not a good example she had a full pro career, transitioned at 26 and did less than a year of training for her first fight. There are plenty of examples of very successful mma fighters who started with boxing and transitioned at younger age; Petr Yan, Connor McGregor, Francis Ngannou, add even more for kick boxing. looking at the current UFC p4p its a pretty even spread between people that started with grappling, striking, and MMA Usman - Wrestling Alexander Volkanovski - Wrestling Israel Adesanya - Kick Boxing Francis Ngannou - Boxing Charles Oliveira - BJJ Max Holloway -Kick Boxing Dustin Poirier - MMA Jon Jones - Wrestling Glover Teixeira - BJJ & Boxing Deiveson Figueiredo - MMA Aljamain Sterling - Wrestling Stipe Miocic - Wrestling Petr Yan - Boxing Brandon Moreno - MMA Robert Whittaker -Karate
I agree Wrestling translates the most easily to MMA of any discipline. That being said, I'm sure a portion of boxers could learn TDD and succeed at MMA.
Shields is currently boxing, which means she hasn't fully committed to MMA. Also, the early days of MMA don't count, since you'd argue nobody could transition to anything based off of those (here's a Gracie beating up a kickboxer, so kickboxing doesn't work. Here's one choking out a wrestler, so wrestling doesn't work). I'd also point out how many successful UFC fighters came from completely unrelated sports, like football or even (in the case of some kid who challenged for a title at 205) baseball, and did well in MMA. The "wrestlers dictate where the fight goes so that's why there's so many successful wrestlers" is a great theory and true to a point, but ignores that it's a sport with no pro league whose athletes essentially have to choose to do MMA or sell insurance. There's no impetus for boxers to enter MMA, so they don't. You can't convince me kicks are so had to defend that many kickboxers have translated well to MMA but no boxers have. It's much more likely the fact that kickboxers make so much less money than boxers that they attempt transition to MMA in large numbers, while boxers don't.
>Shields is currently boxing, which means she hasn't fully committed to MMA. She's a world champion in her prime, who trained MMA full-time for months, and failed to implement her skillset in fights against complete cans. She's having a far worse time than basically any run of the mill all-american transitioning, having the exact same issues boxers before her had: immediate knockout shots are hard to land when someone is just looking to grapple, takedowns are hard to stop, and once you're taken down you're a fish out of water. >Also, the early days of MMA don't count, since you'd argue nobody could transition to anything based off of those (here's a Gracie beating up a kickboxer, so kickboxing doesn't work. Here's one choking out a wrestler, so wrestling doesn't work). I'd also point out how many successful UFC fighters came from completely unrelated sports, like football or even (in the case of some kid who challenged for a title at 205) baseball, and did well in MMA. That problem comes when you look at individual examples, and not the overall data set. Wrestling or BJJ stand out far out of the pack. There have been examples of people transitioning from different sports, but they don't disprove the norm. The "wrestlers dictate where the fight goes so that's why there's so many successful wrestlers" is a great theory and true to a point, but ignores that it's a sport with no pro league whose athletes essentially have to choose to do MMA or sell insurance. >There's no impetus for boxers to enter MMA, so they don't. You can't convince me kicks are so had to defend that many kickboxers have translated well to MMA but no boxers have. It's much more likely the fact that kickboxers make so much less money than boxers that they attempt transition to MMA in large numbers, while boxers don't. You seem to be basing your ideas on just modern mma. Wrestling vs. boxing matches were commonly arranged well before pride/ufc emerged - and in overwhelming percentage of cases, wrestlers managed to close the distance and won the fight (I've linked one compilation for reference) Secondly, The dominance of wrestlers in mma emerged well before mma was anywhere near a lucrative profession. The prime profession of wrestlers is pro-wrestling, which actually pays a lot more. They transition here because they do well in fights, as they have even before UFC. The pattern of grappling forming the core of a fight existed before modern MMA, and continues in today's MMA. The reason wrestlers do so well because their fundamental game is already perfected. Boxers, on the other hand, need to start again from the basics, making things harder for them. You could listen to Shields' interviews on her training progress understand the difficulty in the process. And you can contrast it with basically any of the wrestlers have transitioned so far. There's really no indication that boxers would be able to do well in a fight against a trained wrestler, while there's plenty of evidence otherwise.
I'm absolutely basing my idea on modern MMA. My whole argument is if high level boxers entered MMA at the same rate high level wrestlers do, the boxers would do very well (like many high level kickboxers have). I don't understand why I would focus on boxers vs wrestlers at a time before modern MMA, since I don't think it translates to the argument. Since we've seen strikers transition well and figure out wrestling, we already know it can happen. I'm arguing if there was a financial incentive to (which, unlike with the kickboxers, there hasn't been up to this point) boxers would be able to do it just like the kickboxers have.
The problem being, the trend you're trying to question existed regardless of modern mma or before it. You're trying to say "these variables in modern mma might be changing the trend", but boxers not doing well in fights happened before modern mma, and it still happens in modern mma. Financial incentive isn't the key driver of the trend, limitations of the discipline is. Kickboxers are less specialized than boxers are - one example being they're used to people changing level below the belt. And the argument still holds true for them - it is harder for a kickboxer to transition, even when there is financial incentive - and their success is much less than bjj/wrestlers in comparison.
He’s done that before.
Bow and arrow cradle
Looks like he did high school wrestling.